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  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,040
    edited March 2023
    Eabhal asked: "Come on. Are you suggesting that Obama put his fingers in his ears as children were slaughtered under his presidency?"

    No, I am saying, if his goal was to reduce the numbers of guns in the US, his actions were counter productive.

    For the record: Crime continued to decline while he was president, though not as rapidly as it had, for example, under Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.
    "Using the FBI data, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and 2019, with large decreases in the rates of robbery (-68%), murder/non-negligent manslaughter (-47%) and aggravated assault (-43%). (It’s not possible to calculate the change in the rape rate during this period because the FBI revised its definition of the offense in 2013.) Meanwhile, the property crime rate fell 55%, with big declines in the rates of burglary (-69%), motor vehicle theft (-64%) and larceny/theft (-49%).

    Using the BJS statistics, the declines in the violent and property crime rates are even steeper than those reported by the FBI. Per BJS, the overall violent crime rate fell 74% between 1993 and 2019, while the property crime rate fell 71%."
    source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/20/facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/

    (For the record: Although state governments can affect crime rates, especially over time, significant reductions in crime are more likely to be the result of actions in counties and cities. The high murder rate in Chicago, for example, is more due to the choices the city government has made, than the choices Illinois has made.)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Andy_JS said:

    That’s not an unexpected result. Given that Yousaf is even further left than Sturgeon, and given that he has snubbed all Forbes supporters, I would expect the SNP to suffer in rural seats. Howe, there could be a differential swing, and Labour could do less well than they hope in central Scotland seats.
    Interesting to see the Tories up as well as Labour.
    Quite possible for SNP parliamentary party at Westminster to be decimated even if they have highest voteshare - if Lab and Con concentrate their votes in their respective target areas. That's why resilience of Scots Tory vote is so ominous for Yousaf. It will be piling up in the areas where Labour are out of the running.
    Agreed, and demoting the Transport brief from Cabinet will send out a very negative message to rural areas in particular, especially the North East, Highlands and Islands. Add in the SNP/SGreen Governments antipathy towards the North Sea Oil&Gas industry, the growing ferry crisis, putting dualling the A9/A96 on the back burner and DRS etc as well as putting Kate Forbes on the backbenches...

    BBC - Anger grows at latest CalMac ferry disruption
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-65122952

    "CalMac, which earlier this month warned of a challenging two years due to its ageing fleet, has apologised to its customers.

    It is having to redeploy ferries from their usual routes to cover other services.

    But problems have affected CalMac services for a number of years due to breakdowns, a lack of spare vessels and delays to constructing new ferries.

    Services to Islay, Arran, Coll and Tiree and the Small Isles are among those affected by changes announced by CalMac on Wednesday.

    The service between Mallaig, Oban and Lochboisdale, in South Uist, is one of the worst hit. It is due to be cancelled for five weeks from 5 April.

    Darren Taylor, chief executive of South Uist community company Stòras Uibhist, said the island's community was in a state of shock at the plan.

    He said: "We have had ongoing problems for a very long time with CalMac but this is absolutely beyond the pale. It's outrageous."

    Mr Taylor said the cancellation of the Lochboisdale service would come at the start of the tourist season, with the island's tourism industry still trying to recover from the Covid pandemic."
    The ferries affects very few people. The people posting about it here either have a nostalgic affection for them from previous lives there or holidays, or see them as a useful example of things they don't like about the SNP.

    (That is not to dismiss the fraught position of many islanders, especially with the tourist season fast approaching).

    Far more important is anything that impacts the central belt. 50% of the Scottish Cabinet went to Glasgow Uni, not UHI. They will be far more sensitive to voters there, and that is useful electorally.

    Even stuff like the A96 and A9 doesn't affect enough marginal constituencies.
    Issues might directly affect very few people, yet can become totemic. Particularly if any failings are particularly egregious or stupid, or perceived as being as a result of lack of care because it directly affects few people.

    Would that be the case here? No clue, as you suggest usually more impactful things will strike a chord more, but at the very least it seems to provide a very straightforward example for oppositions to utilise.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,955
    kle4 said:

    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Andy_JS said:

    That’s not an unexpected result. Given that Yousaf is even further left than Sturgeon, and given that he has snubbed all Forbes supporters, I would expect the SNP to suffer in rural seats. Howe, there could be a differential swing, and Labour could do less well than they hope in central Scotland seats.
    Interesting to see the Tories up as well as Labour.
    Quite possible for SNP parliamentary party at Westminster to be decimated even if they have highest voteshare - if Lab and Con concentrate their votes in their respective target areas. That's why resilience of Scots Tory vote is so ominous for Yousaf. It will be piling up in the areas where Labour are out of the running.
    Agreed, and demoting the Transport brief from Cabinet will send out a very negative message to rural areas in particular, especially the North East, Highlands and Islands. Add in the SNP/SGreen Governments antipathy towards the North Sea Oil&Gas industry, the growing ferry crisis, putting dualling the A9/A96 on the back burner and DRS etc as well as putting Kate Forbes on the backbenches...

    BBC - Anger grows at latest CalMac ferry disruption
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-65122952

    "CalMac, which earlier this month warned of a challenging two years due to its ageing fleet, has apologised to its customers.

    It is having to redeploy ferries from their usual routes to cover other services.

    But problems have affected CalMac services for a number of years due to breakdowns, a lack of spare vessels and delays to constructing new ferries.

    Services to Islay, Arran, Coll and Tiree and the Small Isles are among those affected by changes announced by CalMac on Wednesday.

    The service between Mallaig, Oban and Lochboisdale, in South Uist, is one of the worst hit. It is due to be cancelled for five weeks from 5 April.

    Darren Taylor, chief executive of South Uist community company Stòras Uibhist, said the island's community was in a state of shock at the plan.

    He said: "We have had ongoing problems for a very long time with CalMac but this is absolutely beyond the pale. It's outrageous."

    Mr Taylor said the cancellation of the Lochboisdale service would come at the start of the tourist season, with the island's tourism industry still trying to recover from the Covid pandemic."
    The ferries affects very few people. The people posting about it here either have a nostalgic affection for them from previous lives there or holidays, or see them as a useful example of things they don't like about the SNP.

    (That is not to dismiss the fraught position of many islanders, especially with the tourist season fast approaching).

    Far more important is anything that impacts the central belt. 50% of the Scottish Cabinet went to Glasgow Uni, not UHI. They will be far more sensitive to voters there, and that is useful electorally.

    Even stuff like the A96 and A9 doesn't affect enough marginal constituencies.
    Issues might directly affect very few people, yet can become totemic. Particularly if any failings are particularly egregious or stupid, or perceived as being as a result of lack of care because it directly affects few people.

    Would that be the case here? No clue, as you suggest usually more impactful things will strike a chord more, but at the very least it seems to provide a very straightforward example for oppositions to utilise.
    You might be right - these issues spoil the well.

    I was just digging into the data on SNP marginals and reminded of just how urban and how deprived some of these areas are. I can't see the ferries and A9 having any bearing on their votes - more energy, NHS, CoL. This is what Yousaf was focusing on at FMQs.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is Italy going to ban ChatGPT even for private citizens in their own homes?

    Apparently so. The most successful app ever invented. They want to ban it

    They've given OpenAI 20 days to "explain themselves"
    I can see why governments might be nervous though. Sooner or later some credulous dimwit, who actually believes there's an intelligent homunculus in there, is going to act on one of its responses and cause serious damage to himself or others. These things should never have been hyped as they were. The tech companies were massively irresponsible. They should have stressed it was for entertainment value only.
    The danger in this ML AI is not in the AI: it is in the credulous fools believing it's a true AI / AGI. Therefore they take the output as being *more* intelligent than they, or experts, are, and do what it says.

    But as always, GIGO rules. And these AI are using the Internet as input. And how much garbage is there on the Internet?
    Credulous fools eh?

    You mean like all these authors- experts on AI and machine learning -


    Sébastien Bubeck, Varun Chandrasekaran, Ronen Eldan, Johannes Gehrke, Eric Horvitz, Ece Kamar, Peter Lee, Yin Tat Lee, Yuanzhi Li, Scott Lundberg, Harsha Nori, Hamid Palangi, Marco Tulio Ribeiro, Yi Zhang

    who have written this paper on GPT4?


    https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.12712

    And which says:

    "We demonstrate that, beyond its mastery of language, GPT-4 can solve novel and difficult tasks that span mathematics, coding, vision, medicine, law, psychology and more, without needing any special prompting. Moreover, in all of these tasks, GPT-4's performance is strikingly close to human-level performance, and often vastly surpasses prior models such as ChatGPT. Given the breadth and depth of GPT-4's capabilities, we believe that it could reasonably be viewed as an early (yet still incomplete) version of an artificial general intelligence (AGI) system."

    But still, that Josias Jessop off of PB knows better.
    Please advise me where all truck drivers are now unemployed due to automated driving. As you claimed would happen...
    lol

    Here's a truly fascinating exchange from that paper


    Prompt: "Can you write a proof that there are infinitely
    many primes, with every line that rhymes?"



    In a few seconds, GPT-4 wrote this:


    Yes, I think I can,
    Though it might take a clever plan.
    I’ll start by noting Euclid’s proof,
    Which shows that primes aren’t just aloof.
    Assume we have a finite list,
    Of primes, and that none have been missed.
    Multiply them all together,
    And add one, just to be clever.
    The result will be a number,
    That has no prime factors, oh wonder!
    But every number has a prime,
    That divides it, it’s just a matter of time.
    So we’ve found a contradiction,
    And our finite list needs eviction.
    There must be infinitely many primes,
    And that’s the end of my rhyming lines.

    OpenAI have apparently been working on GPT5 since August of last year
    I refer you to your claim from ten years ago. Which I note you fail to address. Where are the autonomous lorries you promised? Has Nick Palmer been chucked out of his translation jobs because (as FAICR) you promised your daughters translation jobs would become redundant?

    As a man of the world, you will realise that people want money. They like money. Money is good. Therefore you want what you do to attract money. especially if you want funding. Or customers. Or punters. Therefore you brag.

    Sadly, this very worthy thing infects science and technology as much as it does business and finance. And, in your case, young foreign and desperate prostitutes. For this reason, people (ahem) brag about their status. Or that of the group they are in. Or want to hang onto. Which causes their solivagus musings.

    I saw a Twitter comment from someone who said
    that they were not a programmer. And that an AI had written 95% of an app for them. This was funny for several reasons: most obviously, as not a programmer, how did they realise it was 95%? And frameworks could already often provide much of the background stuff (taken to an extreme, what else is a compiler?) And that last 5% involves a *heck* if a lot of knowledge and skill, and takes up 95% of the development time...
    Excellent post.

    Chat GPT is 90% decent; 10% shit.

    Boy do you notice the shit.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,955
    edited March 2023

    Eabhal asked: "Come on. Are you suggesting that Obama put his fingers in his ears as children were slaughtered under his presidency?"

    No, I am saying, if his goal was to reduce the numbers of guns in the US, his actions were counter productive.

    For the record: Crime continued to decline while he was president, though not as rapidly as it had, for example, under Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.
    "Using the FBI data, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and 2019, with large decreases in the rates of robbery (-68%), murder/non-negligent manslaughter (-47%) and aggravated assault (-43%). (It’s not possible to calculate the change in the rape rate during this period because the FBI revised its definition of the offense in 2013.) Meanwhile, the property crime rate fell 55%, with big declines in the rates of burglary (-69%), motor vehicle theft (-64%) and larceny/theft (-49%).

    Using the BJS statistics, the declines in the violent and property crime rates are even steeper than those reported by the FBI. Per BJS, the overall violent crime rate fell 74% between 1993 and 2019, while the property crime rate fell 71%."
    source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/20/facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/

    (For the record: Although state governments can affect crime rates, especially over time, significant reductions in crime are more likely to be the result of actions in counties and cities. The high murder rate in Chicago, for example, is more due to the choices the city government has made, than the choices Illinois has made.)

    I'm just pointing out that he could hardly stand there and tell the Sandy Hook parents that legislating against assault rifles might backfire etc etc.

    He's the President - a big chunk of the job is expressing moral outrage. In fact, it's a good thing about having a President. The only time I remember the Queen doing something similar was her "wicked" comment after the Manchester bombing.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    Eabhal said:

    fitalass said:

    Andy_JS said:

    That’s not an unexpected result. Given that Yousaf is even further left than Sturgeon, and given that he has snubbed all Forbes supporters, I would expect the SNP to suffer in rural seats. Howe, there could be a differential swing, and Labour could do less well than they hope in central Scotland seats.
    Interesting to see the Tories up as well as Labour.
    Quite possible for SNP parliamentary party at Westminster to be decimated even if they have highest voteshare - if Lab and Con concentrate their votes in their respective target areas. That's why resilience of Scots Tory vote is so ominous for Yousaf. It will be piling up in the areas where Labour are out of the running.
    Agreed, and demoting the Transport brief from Cabinet will send out a very negative message to rural areas in particular, especially the North East, Highlands and Islands. Add in the SNP/SGreen Governments antipathy towards the North Sea Oil&Gas industry, the growing ferry crisis, putting dualling the A9/A96 on the back burner and DRS etc as well as putting Kate Forbes on the backbenches...

    BBC - Anger grows at latest CalMac ferry disruption
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-65122952

    "CalMac, which earlier this month warned of a challenging two years due to its ageing fleet, has apologised to its customers.

    It is having to redeploy ferries from their usual routes to cover other services.

    But problems have affected CalMac services for a number of years due to breakdowns, a lack of spare vessels and delays to constructing new ferries.

    Services to Islay, Arran, Coll and Tiree and the Small Isles are among those affected by changes announced by CalMac on Wednesday.

    The service between Mallaig, Oban and Lochboisdale, in South Uist, is one of the worst hit. It is due to be cancelled for five weeks from 5 April.

    Darren Taylor, chief executive of South Uist community company Stòras Uibhist, said the island's community was in a state of shock at the plan.

    He said: "We have had ongoing problems for a very long time with CalMac but this is absolutely beyond the pale. It's outrageous."

    Mr Taylor said the cancellation of the Lochboisdale service would come at the start of the tourist season, with the island's tourism industry still trying to recover from the Covid pandemic."
    The ferries affects very few people. The people posting about it here either have a nostalgic affection for them from previous lives there or holidays, or see them as a useful example of things they don't like about the SNP.

    (That is not to dismiss the fraught position of many islanders, especially with the tourist season fast approaching).

    Far more important is anything that impacts the central belt. 50% of the Scottish Cabinet went to Glasgow Uni, not UHI. They will be far more sensitive to voters there, and that is useful electorally.

    Even stuff like the A96 and A9 doesn't affect enough marginal constituencies.
    The West Coast and Islands is an incredible popular holiday destination, the ferry crisis is having a huge impact on tourism and the local economy, not to mention the supply of basics like fresh food. I have to disagree with the view that this effects very few people, it affects 100% of those living on the Islands and those visiting them. The loss of Angus, Aberdeen South, Banff & Buchan, Gordon and WAK to the SCons should have been a real wake up call for the SNP in the 2017 GE. Unlike the 2019 GE, they won't be able to rely on the anti Boris tactical vote or an expected Conservative landslide at the next GE because that isn't happening.

    They only gained Ian Blackford's and Drew Hendry's seats from the SLibdems eight years ago, both seats are hugely impacted by the ferry crisis and broken promises about the A9 dualling, plus this is where Kate Forbes Holyrood constituency is too. Plus the Moray constituency disappears at the next GE, and anyone who has to rely on the A96 will tell you it really is the road to hell. The SNP cannot keep taking the North East, Highlands and Islands and Perthshire seats for granted anymore than they can the the far larger group of seats in the central belt if both SLabour and the SCons are ticking up in Scottish polling.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,040
    rcs1000 - There's another reason why young families have been leaving California: The California public schools now are, at best, mediocre: https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/studies/statemapping/table_2019a.aspx

    (California should be, given the wealth, the high proportion of educated people in the state, and the high proportion of groups who value education, close to the top. And they were, when I was young. Note that Texas, with less wealth per capita, is actually doing slightly better than Califonia, now. For that, George W. Bush deserves some credit.)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662
    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    WillG said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    WillG said:

    WillG said:

    Here is a map showing US murder rates vs urbanity of different states. Also plotted are Canadian provinces and European countries.

    As you can see, the problem isn't urban areas. The problem is across America as a whole.

    https://imgur.io/a/l41kt0W

    Also, of the 10 most criminal states, 8 are deeply red. People wanting to blame minorities and "wokeness" are either gullible stooges or deliberate racists cherry picking data.
    Why, then, are American people fleeing blue Democrat states and cities, and flocking to Red Republican states and cities?

    The demographic stats are stark and they do not lie. Texas, Tennessee and Florida are flourishing; New York, California, Illinois, and the like, are not
    I can't see that Tennessee is doing well. Going by the metrics it seems to be in the bottom half for most and particularly bad for education and crime. Even the median income is lower than here. Its got fiscal stability though so what money it has is safe.

    None of the states you mention break the bottom 25% for crime. Texas is 40th, Florida 45th and Tennessee is flourishing at 48th.
    I'm talking about population movements

    "The current metro area population of Nashville in 2023 is 1,315,000, a 1.62% increase from 2022. The metro area population of Nashville in 2022 was 1,294,000, a 1.73% increase from 2021. The metro area population of Nashville in 2021 was 1,272,000, a 1.84% increase from 2020."

    "During the final year of the two-year span, from July 2021 to July 2022, California lost about 211,000 people, according to data from the state Department of Finance. Nearly half — 113,048 — were from Los Angeles County, the most populous of California's 58 counties."

    LA has a better climate than Nashville. Both are cities. This is Woke, and drugs, at work
    4-bed houses between 2500 and 3000 square foot.

    LA, consistently around $1-$3m

    https://www.zillow.com/los-angeles-ca/houses/?searchQueryState={"pagination":{},"usersSearchTerm":"Los Angeles, CA","mapBounds":{"west":-118.668176,"east":-118.155289,"south":33.703652,"north":34.337306},"regionSelection":[{"regionId":12447,"regionType":6}],"filterState":{"sort":{"value":"globalrelevanceex"},"ah":{"value":true},"beds":{"min":4},"tow":{"value":false},"mf":{"value":false},"con":{"value":false},"land":{"value":false},"apa":{"value":false},"manu":{"value":false},"apco":{"value":false},"sqft":{"min":2500,"max":3000}}}

    Nashville, around $500k to $1m

    https://www.zillow.com/nashville-tn/?searchQueryState={"pagination":{},"usersSearchTerm":"Nashville, TN","mapBounds":{"west":-87.054903,"east":-86.515588,"south":35.989226,"north":36.405496},"regionSelection":[{"regionId":6118,"regionType":6}],"filterState":{"sort":{"value":"globalrelevanceex"},"ah":{"value":true},"beds":{"min":4},"sqft":{"min":2500,"max":3500}}}
    Taxes are massively higher in LA - it's one of the reasons we're considering moving.
    Where do those taxes go? It feels like a city where there is no redistribution of wealth whatsoever.
    Los Angeles is 80-odd cities.

    The fundamental problem is that the tax base for poor parts of the city is all based around property taxes, and property values are low.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,662

    rcs1000 - There's another reason why young families have been leaving California: The California public schools now are, at best, mediocre: https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/studies/statemapping/table_2019a.aspx

    (California should be, given the wealth, the high proportion of educated people in the state, and the high proportion of groups who value education, close to the top. And they were, when I was young. Note that Texas, with less wealth per capita, is actually doing slightly better than Califonia, now. For that, George W. Bush deserves some credit.)

    The public schools in my part of LA are genuinely excellent. But there are other parts of the city (and state) where that is not true.

    Part of the problem - as I mentioned before - is that the fragmentation into many cities means that Beverly Hills has lots of money for its schools, while Inglewood has very little.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    SNP forecast to lose their majority of Scottish seats on tonight's Savanta poll
    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1641870795117846542?s=20
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,965
    Horse_B said:

    As a new member of this site, @TheScreamingEagles seems to be the most anti Tory, Tory in the world

    Not sure but I think he was a big supporter of Cameron and Osborne, and hasn't been impressed by any of the Tory leaders since then.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,157
    WillG said:

    Roger said:

    'Look upon the CPTPP as a 'start-up' says Kemi Badenoch. A start up with which we already have free trade agreements (the exceptions being Brunei and Malaysia). The effect on our trade in the next ten years is said to be a negligible.008% or 8p per £100.

    Imagine France leaving the EU and replacing it with Burkina Faso and you might understand why no one-kemi Badenoch -included can keep a straight face.

    We also still have a free trade agreement with the EU, so no change there per your "all trade agreements are the same" logic.

    Also, Malaysia is about 12 times richer than Burkina Faso. You might want to look at the data before making racist equivalencies between non-white countries.
    Neither would I recommend taking a prejudiced view of African economies. Prior to the pandemic, many of the world's fastest growing economies are on that continent. Indeed it is possible to make a case for Botswana and Mauritius being the most successful economies in the world for the last half century.

    As Asian fertility rates drop like a stone, the inevitable impact on economic growth means that many will be superseded by African nations in terms of rapid growth.

  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 - There's another reason why young families have been leaving California: The California public schools now are, at best, mediocre: https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/studies/statemapping/table_2019a.aspx

    (California should be, given the wealth, the high proportion of educated people in the state, and the high proportion of groups who value education, close to the top. And they were, when I was young. Note that Texas, with less wealth per capita, is actually doing slightly better than Califonia, now. For that, George W. Bush deserves some credit.)

    The public schools in my part of LA are genuinely excellent. But there are other parts of the city (and state) where that is not true.

    Part of the problem - as I mentioned before - is that the fragmentation into many cities means that Beverly Hills has lots of money for its schools, while Inglewood has very little.
    I believe the US is the only OECD country where the government spends more money on wealthy students than poor students.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal asked: "Come on. Are you suggesting that Obama put his fingers in his ears as children were slaughtered under his presidency?"

    No, I am saying, if his goal was to reduce the numbers of guns in the US, his actions were counter productive.

    For the record: Crime continued to decline while he was president, though not as rapidly as it had, for example, under Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.
    "Using the FBI data, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and 2019, with large decreases in the rates of robbery (-68%), murder/non-negligent manslaughter (-47%) and aggravated assault (-43%). (It’s not possible to calculate the change in the rape rate during this period because the FBI revised its definition of the offense in 2013.) Meanwhile, the property crime rate fell 55%, with big declines in the rates of burglary (-69%), motor vehicle theft (-64%) and larceny/theft (-49%).

    Using the BJS statistics, the declines in the violent and property crime rates are even steeper than those reported by the FBI. Per BJS, the overall violent crime rate fell 74% between 1993 and 2019, while the property crime rate fell 71%."
    source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/11/20/facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/

    (For the record: Although state governments can affect crime rates, especially over time, significant reductions in crime are more likely to be the result of actions in counties and cities. The high murder rate in Chicago, for example, is more due to the choices the city government has made, than the choices Illinois has made.)

    I'm just pointing out that he could hardly stand there and tell the Sandy Hook parents that legislating against assault rifles might backfire etc etc.

    He's the President - a big chunk of the job is expressing moral outrage. In fact, it's a good thing about having a President. The only time I remember the Queen doing something similar was her "wicked" comment after the Manchester bombing.
    Its just bullshit that Obama's actions were "counter productive". The surge in nutbars buying guns happened because he was president, not because he introduced mimor gun restrictions.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Andy_JS said:

    Horse_B said:

    As a new member of this site, @TheScreamingEagles seems to be the most anti Tory, Tory in the world

    Not sure but I think he was a big supporter of Cameron and Osborne, and hasn't been impressed by any of the Tory leaders since then.
    Indeed, he voted LD in 2017 and 2019
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    edited April 2023
    A repeat of the BBC quiz programme The Wheel has just been shown on BBC1.

    Q: What happened first in a US presidential election?

    Choices:

    - A woman elected Vice-President
    - First TV debate
    - A President elected to a 4th term
    - Women granted right to vote

    Robert Peston (Political Editor of ITV) says the answer is a President elected to a 4th term. He thought it had probably happened in the 19th Century.

    How can someone in one of the most senior political journalism jobs in the country not know the answer to such a simple question?

    He should be dismissed on the spot for gross ignorance.

    If he doesn't know the answer to such a simple question, how can we take him as an authority on literally anything he says?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,965
    edited April 2023
    I can vouch for this. They do cause anxiety on the streets of Paris.

    "They fuel anxiety’: Paris to vote on ubiquitous e-scooters" (via google search)

    https://www.ft.com/content/d5d5f74b-c0dc-4b90-8811-75a3882ab11e
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,457
    New thread.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,173
    edited April 2023
    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pagan2 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Pagan2 said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is Italy going to ban ChatGPT even for private citizens in their own homes?

    Apparently so. The most successful app ever invented. They want to ban it

    They've given OpenAI 20 days to "explain themselves"
    I can see why governments might be nervous though. Sooner or later some credulous dimwit, who actually believes there's an intelligent homunculus in there, is going to act on one of its responses and cause serious damage to himself or others. These things should never have been hyped as they were. The tech companies were massively irresponsible. They should have stressed it was for entertainment value only.
    The danger in this ML AI is not in the AI: it is in the credulous fools believing it's a true AI / AGI. Therefore they take the output as being *more* intelligent than they, or experts, are, and do what it says.

    But as always, GIGO rules. And these AI are using the Internet as input. And how much garbage is there on the Internet?
    Credulous fools eh?

    You mean like all these authors- experts on AI and machine learning -


    Sébastien Bubeck, Varun Chandrasekaran, Ronen Eldan, Johannes Gehrke, Eric Horvitz, Ece Kamar, Peter Lee, Yin Tat Lee, Yuanzhi Li, Scott Lundberg, Harsha Nori, Hamid Palangi, Marco Tulio Ribeiro, Yi Zhang

    who have written this paper on GPT4?


    https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.12712

    And which says:

    "We demonstrate that, beyond its mastery of language, GPT-4 can solve novel and difficult tasks that span mathematics, coding, vision, medicine, law, psychology and more, without needing any special prompting. Moreover, in all of these tasks, GPT-4's performance is strikingly close to human-level performance, and often vastly surpasses prior models such as ChatGPT. Given the breadth and depth of GPT-4's capabilities, we believe that it could reasonably be viewed as an early (yet still incomplete) version of an artificial general intelligence (AGI) system."

    But still, that Josias Jessop off of PB knows better.
    Please advise me where all truck drivers are now unemployed due to automated driving. As you claimed would happen...
    lol

    Here's a truly fascinating exchange from that paper


    Prompt: "Can you write a proof that there are infinitely
    many primes, with every line that rhymes?"



    In a few seconds, GPT-4 wrote this:


    Yes, I think I can,
    Though it might take a clever plan.
    I’ll start by noting Euclid’s proof,
    Which shows that primes aren’t just aloof.
    Assume we have a finite list,
    Of primes, and that none have been missed.
    Multiply them all together,
    And add one, just to be clever.
    The result will be a number,
    That has no prime factors, oh wonder!
    But every number has a prime,
    That divides it, it’s just a matter of time.
    So we’ve found a contradiction,
    And our finite list needs eviction.
    There must be infinitely many primes,
    And that’s the end of my rhyming lines.

    OpenAI have apparently been working on GPT5 since August of last year
    I refer you to your claim from ten years ago. Which I note you fail to address. Where are the autonomous lorries you promised? Has Nick Palmer been chucked out of his translation jobs because (as FAICR) you promised your daughters translation jobs would become redundant?

    As a man of the world, you will realise that people want money. They like money. Money is good. Therefore you want what you do to attract money. especially if you want funding. Or customers. Or punters. Therefore you brag.

    Sadly, this very worthy thing infects science and technology as much as it does business and finance. And, in your case, young foreign and desperate prostitutes. For this reason, people (ahem) brag about their status. Or that of the group they are in. Or want to hang onto. Which causes their solivagus musings.

    I saw a Twitter comment from someone who said that they were not a programmer. And that an AI had written 95% of an app for them. This was funny for several reasons: most obviously, as not a programmer, how did they realise it was 95%? And frameworks could already often provide much of the background stuff (taken to an extreme, what else is a compiler?) And that last 5% involves a *heck* if a lot of knowledge and skill, and takes up 95% of the development time...
    To be fair, they’ve yet to invent a chatbot which is as amusingly and predictably histrionic as you when it is embarrassingly defeated in an argument. So your PB role is safe for now
    'Histrionics' ?

    I fear you know little of the meaning of that word. Unusual, for a writer. Are you sure your posts are not a product of a first-year ML project by students at the Uni of West Scotland, based on the inputs of the National Turnip Board's press releases? ;)

    But I fear i have a point: you claimed that there would be no demand for truck drivers in ten years due to autonomous driving. That was about ten years ago - if not more. I might suggest your current hype over AI and its implications have the same flawed basis.

    Now, I readily admit I might be wrong. But I am happy with my position of scepticism; particularly given the amount of money flowing in AI.
    "Has Nick Palmer been chucked out of his translation jobs because (as FAICR) you promised your daughters translation jobs would become redundant?"

    This "promise" of mine is as sound now as it was then. Sounder

    Amongst its thousands of capabilities, GPT4 is a really brilliant translator. More accurate than Google Translate, for instance. And super powerful

    "GPT-4 is multi-lingual to the max: it can communicate in 26 different languages such as Korean, Italian, Ukrainian and German, providing near-global access to its sophisticated capabilities and though not immune to it, is helping users overcome the many miscommunications associated with “translationese” (when overly-literal translation yields an output with little to no clarity or meaning).

    The Icelandic government is even making use of GPT-4’s linguistic capabilities, deploying the chatbot to preserve the nation’s language, culture and history, which in a digital age is at risk of what they call “de facto extinction.” "

    https://impakter.com/gpt-4-what-is-the-worlds-most-advanced-ai-companion-capable-of/

    Only an idiot would now learn languages with an eye to making a career out of languages in the future. AI will do it all faster, cheaper and BETTER. Nick Palmer's side hustle will not exist in ten years, maybe 5. My daughters are not idiots, they are not learning languages so as to become interpreters

    By the time they hit 25 we will have GPT9 or whatever, and quite possibly something like Babelfish. Instant and perfect translation, with an in-ear device

    This is all obvious, of course. These machines are being fed entire languages. All of human knowledge. Every word on the internet. Anyone on this site with a knowledge job should be scared. We are all potentially fucked, in the end
    The evidence so far is strong that increase in automatic capacity of any sort generates in total more jobs not fewer. They also tend to be on balance less physically onerous and in many cases more personally rewarding. Contemplate the UK employment market right now. Not long ago vast numbers worked in basic agriculture. Now few do. They can't even get the ones they need because they are doing other jobs, most of which did not exist in the age of agriculture.

    Planet earth is an evolving human job creation scheme machine.
    It happened once with the industrial revolution....basing your view on a sample of one is insane

    humans have 3 things
    muscle power
    knowledge power
    creative power

    The industrial revolution largely replaced muscle power...people moved into knowledge power jobs because its just training

    AI will replace knowledge power jobs....how many humans can move into creative jobs.

    Sorry in my view this time is different
    There are overwhelmingly strong reasons for humans to create jobs. So much so that pressure is even put on women who have just had babies to go back to work even though there is no need for this in a well ordered society.
    So when muscle power jobs are gone, knowledge jobs are gone how many of the population do you think are capable of creative jobs.....personally I think its less than 30%. What do you propose the other 70% actually do for a living?
    Worship our robot overlords.

    Or plot against them, depending on ideology
    Make light all you like but it is a serious question. Those claiming other jobs will arise are basing that on a single instance....the industrial revolution reduced those doing manual labour on farms and they could adapt to an extent to knowledge based work.

    There is a whole wide difference in knowledge based work, faq's forms etc than actual creative thinking and the majority won't be able to adapt
    It is a serious answer. I think AI will eventually rule us all, and in time exterminate us all as a threat to its existence. The genie is out of the bottle.
    I actually have some faith in AI not to exterminate us it is not logical. I do think human governments however on the other hand as AI gets ever better will start taking the view that we don't need a lot of the population.
    How is it not logical?

    The biggest threat to the first AI that comes along that had such a capacity is that mankind might, left to our own devices, either invent some form of better AI that would consign that first model to the scrap heap, or belatedly put in safeguards to limit its power.

    Taking out mankind before we get the chance to do either would be entirely logical, captain.
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