Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
You really are stark raving bonkers.
A total obsessive on this topic. Endlessly posting about it. Endlessly trawling the internet for the faintest inkling of a link to your sheer obsession.
Another one waving away the shooting of 3 9 year olds and 3 staff….
America. They vote to protect the rights of guns more than they do to protect the rights of their children. Any other country would have one such tragedy, recoil in horror, and clamp down on guns so hard hat it couldn't happen again. Not America.
I have long concluded that they are happy with their children being murdered as they keep voting for it. Its appalling, but its their choice,
The Jon Stewart interview of that senator that was linked to a week or so ago now was so telling about that. Being shot is now the largest single cause of death of American children, more than transport or any disease. Its astonishing and depressing.
We had one school shooting in the UK and the whole country said never again.
America, and it’s meh. Kids dying for Second Amendment rights is the price we pay for freedom.
And that the solution to having kids killed with guns is....more guns.
Talking of Jon Stewart this was his contribution to the "you're making Trump a martyr" line:
Stewart: We either have the rule of law, or we have no rule of law. The rule of law does not take into account if that might make you a martyr to somebody.
I was trying to think of a UK equivalent to Stewart in our media but I fear that is the price we pay for demanding impartiality from our presenters.
Whist this issue is not top of anyone’s list, well behind the economy and inflation, it’s the sort of thing that can affect turnout. If there’s still thousands of smal boats arriving, many Conservatives may well sit on their hands come Election Day. I’m still not sure that Sunak understands the need to actually stop the crossings, rather than talking about stopping them.
Many voters don’t understand why irregular arrivals from France, are not simply taken to Dover and put on the next ferry back.
You're right that people don't understand - the question is why is that so?
(My hunch is that a "first safe country" rule would dump all the problems on safe countries bordering hellholes, in a way that wouldn't be good. And "disperse fairly globally" would need the sort of international arrangement that would go down like a bucket of cold sick with "control our borders" types, even if it's probably the best thing to do.)
But who in the media or politics is exploring this question, let alone answering it?
There are things the people do not know. They do not know because they're not told... (Claud Cockburn, I think)
Which is why Cameron’s policy was good
Massive support for people living in camps. Specific protection and asylum for the most vulnerable, provided from the camps. Little tolerance for people who paid criminals to enter the country illegally
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
Just odd that after this shooting someone would choose to post an inaccurate tweet from someone in Malaysia who has praised Hitler, rather than something that might be a bit more reliable.
How’s the squirrel hunt going? Just odd that some choose to minimise or wave away male violence - because that’s what this is about
No it's not and it is pretty disgusting that you choose to smear me that way. It's an appeal in general to wait for the facts, and a question as to why use a far-right troll as a source on such a serious matter?
I apologise if you felt smeared but as you can read above any posts I make on the topic are dismissed as those of an obsessive nutter - I was told repeatedly that the Scottish GRR was irrelevant and nobody cared. How did that work out? That people questioning “affirmative care” were transphobes and worthy only of contempt. However, I was following the science in this child abuse scandal and the US and antipodes are now the outliers as European countries pause for thought. The anti-women activists are the ones resorting to violence as we saw in Auckland - and are practicing it in the U.K. and the US.
I agree it's unfair to call you a nutter just for posting a lot on a subject. And I'm sure you know more about it than I do - I tend to refrain from commenting on trans issues because I just don't know enough.
But there's a history of rightwing US commentry jumping on any shootings before the facts are known to try and blame those they dislike, and especially to try and avoid any suggestions that handing guns out to everyone might not be a great idea.
And of course this shooting is being used by transphobes, and the far-right, so my appeal to be careful still stands.
The issue with the right being involved in questioning trans propaganda and its most insidious aspect in the US - affirmative care - is because the Democrats are full hearted supporters of it. Posie Parker gets criticised for speaking to right wing US foundations - this is why she does:
No, she gets criticised for posting shit like this.
Is that islamophobic, though, or just ultra radical feminism?
I know plenty of radical feminists who despise the hijab or burka as tools of female oppression.
Similarly, Richard Dawkins pulls no punches when it comes to Islam - he sees it as just as stupid as any other religion.
Indeed.
Richard Dawkins is no Islamophobe.
How do I know that
1) He’s equally rude about other religions
2) He never praised Tommy Robinson
3) Not regularly appeared on shows hosted by people who talk about white genocide.
I’m an atheist, though not as hardline as Dawkins. I’ll be honest, I think there’s more to criticise or at least comment on Islam than other religions. Women’s dress being an obvious area, though you could add Orthodox Jews into the mix.
Ramadan: Match officials asked to provide opportunity for Muslim players across Premier League and EFL to break fast Match officials issued with guidance ahead of holy period of Ramadan and encouraged to find natural pause in play during evening matches to allow any Muslim player or match official to break their fast before resuming the action; Ramadan begins this week and lasts around a month.
A friend who I go to football is a devout Catholic. Playing on Good Friday and Easter Sunday used to be a big no no. But not any more. He won’t be at Anfield with me next Sunday because Church comes first.
We stopped caring about Christianity ages ago. Why are we accommodating other religions?
As Salman Rushdie and the Charlie Hebdo creators discovered if you disrespect Islam there may be a response from sections of that community rather more hardline than most western Christians would give if you disrespect Christianity
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
Just odd that after this shooting someone would choose to post an inaccurate tweet from someone in Malaysia who has praised Hitler, rather than something that might be a bit more reliable.
How’s the squirrel hunt going? Just odd that some choose to minimise or wave away male violence - because that’s what this is about
No it's not and it is pretty disgusting that you choose to smear me that way. It's an appeal in general to wait for the facts, and a question as to why use a far-right troll as a source on such a serious matter?
I apologise if you felt smeared but as you can read above any posts I make on the topic are dismissed as those of an obsessive nutter - I was told repeatedly that the Scottish GRR was irrelevant and nobody cared. How did that work out? That people questioning “affirmative care” were transphobes and worthy only of contempt. However, I was following the science in this child abuse scandal and the US and antipodes are now the outliers as European countries pause for thought. The anti-women activists are the ones resorting to violence as we saw in Auckland - and are practicing it in the U.K. and the US.
I agree it's unfair to call you a nutter just for posting a lot on a subject. And I'm sure you know more about it than I do - I tend to refrain from commenting on trans issues because I just don't know enough.
But there's a history of rightwing US commentry jumping on any shootings before the facts are known to try and blame those they dislike, and especially to try and avoid any suggestions that handing guns out to everyone might not be a great idea.
And of course this shooting is being used by transphobes, and the far-right, so my appeal to be careful still stands.
The issue with the right being involved in questioning trans propaganda and its most insidious aspect in the US - affirmative care - is because the Democrats are full hearted supporters of it. Posie Parker gets criticised for speaking to right wing US foundations - this is why she does:
No, she gets criticised for posting shit like this.
Is that islamophobic, though, or just ultra radical feminism?
I know plenty of radical feminists who despise the hijab or burka as tools of female oppression.
Similarly, Richard Dawkins pulls no punches when it comes to Islam - he sees it as just as stupid as any other religion.
Indeed.
Richard Dawkins is no Islamophobe.
How do I know that
1) He’s equally rude about other religions
2) He never praised Tommy Robinson
3) Not regularly appeared on shows hosted by people who talk about white genocide.
I’m an atheist, though not as hardline as Dawkins. I’ll be honest, I think there’s more to criticise or at least comment on Islam than other religions. Women’s dress being an obvious area, though you could add Orthodox Jews into the mix.
Ramadan: Match officials asked to provide opportunity for Muslim players across Premier League and EFL to break fast Match officials issued with guidance ahead of holy period of Ramadan and encouraged to find natural pause in play during evening matches to allow any Muslim player or match official to break their fast before resuming the action; Ramadan begins this week and lasts around a month.
A friend who I go to football is a devout Catholic. Playing on Good Friday and Easter Sunday used to be a big no no. But not any more. He won’t be at Anfield with me next Sunday because Church comes first.
We stopped caring about Christianity ages ago. Why are we accommodating other religions?
Not all players fast in Ramadan, often doing fast days on alternative dates to match days.
When he played for Leicester Wesley Fofana would fast even on match days, and go to the sidelines for a drink and glucose gel at the first break in play after the fast ending. It doesn't disrupt play.
I don't think that is the point though. @tlg86's comment was that the Premier League is being asked to amend matches to suit one particular religion in a way that is unlikely to happen for at least Christianity. No match official is going to dare go with anything except the most liberal interpretation because they will fear for their position.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
The ingredients are significantly cheaper, but advertising and marketing consumes a lot of the price differential
On the good news front, Kevin Mckenzie thinks Lineker and Davie are both finished. Lineker won't have his contract renewed and Davie will go as Lineker says Davie told him he had carte balance over refugees and Climate change. If they both go the left and right will be equally happy
Just to start with it is top and tailed with financial scams.
The interviewer was utterly nasty.
Why do you take pleasure in people losing there jobs?
What was being said might be true, but not sure Lineker will be worried as his contract runs to 2025 so he can carry on giving his views and clearly money isn't an issue.
Finally why on earth are you watching this bile?
All valid questions.
However:
Lineker is being paid with my license fee to do what is essentially a non-job. You do not need somebody to present football highlights (or cricket, Mark Nicholas). A lot of time is wasted in pointless and uninteresting talking that could be used to show some actual action.
So - if they get rid of him, why not? He's done very nicely out of it over the years and if it can be managed better and more cheaply without him, the Beeb should go for it,
They won't of course, they'll appoint somebody else to do the pointless drivel. But they should.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
A lot of the own brand stuff is made in the same factories, by the same staff, as the branded stuff, albeit to a different recipe.
You'd assume that Asda are using cheaper ingredients, but they're probably also profiteering on the brand loyalty of customers able and willing to pay more for branded products.
So far this month, 7 more Conservative MPs have announced that they are standing down at the next GE. A couple more newly elected MPs added their names to the list yesterday in "Red Wall" seats here in the Black Country, including my own.
Total so far 43, of which 30 are Conservative (including Hancock), 12 Labour, 1 Plaid. Plus 3 Con and 3 Lab not reselected for their current seat or its successor so far.
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
Just odd that after this shooting someone would choose to post an inaccurate tweet from someone in Malaysia who has praised Hitler, rather than something that might be a bit more reliable.
How’s the squirrel hunt going? Just odd that some choose to minimise or wave away male violence - because that’s what this is about
No it's not and it is pretty disgusting that you choose to smear me that way. It's an appeal in general to wait for the facts, and a question as to why use a far-right troll as a source on such a serious matter?
I apologise if you felt smeared but as you can read above any posts I make on the topic are dismissed as those of an obsessive nutter - I was told repeatedly that the Scottish GRR was irrelevant and nobody cared. How did that work out? That people questioning “affirmative care” were transphobes and worthy only of contempt. However, I was following the science in this child abuse scandal and the US and antipodes are now the outliers as European countries pause for thought. The anti-women activists are the ones resorting to violence as we saw in Auckland - and are practicing it in the U.K. and the US.
I agree it's unfair to call you a nutter just for posting a lot on a subject. And I'm sure you know more about it than I do - I tend to refrain from commenting on trans issues because I just don't know enough.
But there's a history of rightwing US commentry jumping on any shootings before the facts are known to try and blame those they dislike, and especially to try and avoid any suggestions that handing guns out to everyone might not be a great idea.
And of course this shooting is being used by transphobes, and the far-right, so my appeal to be careful still stands.
The issue with the right being involved in questioning trans propaganda and its most insidious aspect in the US - affirmative care - is because the Democrats are full hearted supporters of it. Posie Parker gets criticised for speaking to right wing US foundations - this is why she does:
No, she gets criticised for posting shit like this.
Is that islamophobic, though, or just ultra radical feminism?
I know plenty of radical feminists who despise the hijab or burka as tools of female oppression.
Similarly, Richard Dawkins pulls no punches when it comes to Islam - he sees it as just as stupid as any other religion.
Indeed.
Richard Dawkins is no Islamophobe.
How do I know that
1) He’s equally rude about other religions
2) He never praised Tommy Robinson
3) Not regularly appeared on shows hosted by people who talk about white genocide.
I’m an atheist, though not as hardline as Dawkins. I’ll be honest, I think there’s more to criticise or at least comment on Islam than other religions. Women’s dress being an obvious area, though you could add Orthodox Jews into the mix.
Ramadan: Match officials asked to provide opportunity for Muslim players across Premier League and EFL to break fast Match officials issued with guidance ahead of holy period of Ramadan and encouraged to find natural pause in play during evening matches to allow any Muslim player or match official to break their fast before resuming the action; Ramadan begins this week and lasts around a month.
A friend who I go to football is a devout Catholic. Playing on Good Friday and Easter Sunday used to be a big no no. But not any more. He won’t be at Anfield with me next Sunday because Church comes first.
We stopped caring about Christianity ages ago. Why are we accommodating other religions?
Not all players fast in Ramadan, often doing fast days on alternative dates to match days.
When he played for Leicester Wesley Fofana would fast even on match days, and go to the sidelines for a drink and glucose gel at the first break in play after the fast ending. It doesn't disrupt play.
This is the dumb thing. There’s plenty of scope for footballers working around match days with fasting. The Premier League should not do religion.
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
Just odd that after this shooting someone would choose to post an inaccurate tweet from someone in Malaysia who has praised Hitler, rather than something that might be a bit more reliable.
When you attack the PB poster neutral observers assume you don’t have any actual substantive arguments
Hoisted by your own petard.
I wasn’t attacking @kamski as an individual - just commenting on how his post came across
Whist this issue is not top of anyone’s list, well behind the economy and inflation, it’s the sort of thing that can affect turnout. If there’s still thousands of smal boats arriving, many Conservatives may well sit on their hands come Election Day. I’m still not sure that Sunak understands the need to actually stop the crossings, rather than talking about stopping them.
Many voters don’t understand why irregular arrivals from France, are not simply taken to Dover and put on the next ferry back.
You're right that people don't understand - the question is why is that so?
(My hunch is that a "first safe country" rule would dump all the problems on safe countries bordering hellholes, in a way that wouldn't be good. And "disperse fairly globally" would need the sort of international arrangement that would go down like a bucket of cold sick with "control our borders" types, even if it's probably the best thing to do.)
But who in the media or politics is exploring this question, let alone answering it?
There are things the people do not know. They do not know because they're not told... (Claud Cockburn, I think)
The Refugee Convention is deliberately written so the neighbouring states don't get the entire burden.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
A lot of the own brand stuff is made in the same factories, by the same staff, as the branded stuff, albeit to a different recipe.
You'd assume that Asda are using cheaper ingredients, but they're probably also profiteering on the brand loyalty of customers able and willing to pay more for branded products.
A lot of it isn't even to a different recipe. Tea is the most remarkable, but butter or its substitutes are essentially the same product no matter what the label on the tub.
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
You really are stark raving bonkers.
A total obsessive on this topic. Endlessly posting about it. Endlessly trawling the internet for the faintest inkling of a link to your sheer obsession.
Says the person who only ever posts long screeds about how the Tories are going to be mullered at the next election…
Well at least that is more on-topic than Ldroning on about c**** in frocks all day long.
A bit repetitive thought:
Can’t she just number her posts
Heathner makes post #3 or “good morning. post #1 please”
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
Just odd that after this shooting someone would choose to post an inaccurate tweet from someone in Malaysia who has praised Hitler, rather than something that might be a bit more reliable.
How’s the squirrel hunt going? Just odd that some choose to minimise or wave away male violence - because that’s what this is about
No it's not and it is pretty disgusting that you choose to smear me that way. It's an appeal in general to wait for the facts, and a question as to why use a far-right troll as a source on such a serious matter?
I apologise if you felt smeared but as you can read above any posts I make on the topic are dismissed as those of an obsessive nutter - I was told repeatedly that the Scottish GRR was irrelevant and nobody cared. How did that work out? That people questioning “affirmative care” were transphobes and worthy only of contempt. However, I was following the science in this child abuse scandal and the US and antipodes are now the outliers as European countries pause for thought. The anti-women activists are the ones resorting to violence as we saw in Auckland - and are practicing it in the U.K. and the US.
I agree it's unfair to call you a nutter just for posting a lot on a subject. And I'm sure you know more about it than I do - I tend to refrain from commenting on trans issues because I just don't know enough.
But there's a history of rightwing US commentry jumping on any shootings before the facts are known to try and blame those they dislike, and especially to try and avoid any suggestions that handing guns out to everyone might not be a great idea.
And of course this shooting is being used by transphobes, and the far-right, so my appeal to be careful still stands.
The issue with the right being involved in questioning trans propaganda and its most insidious aspect in the US - affirmative care - is because the Democrats are full hearted supporters of it. Posie Parker gets criticised for speaking to right wing US foundations - this is why she does:
No, she gets criticised for posting shit like this.
Criticism of hijabs as sexist isn’t allowed? Good to know. More “no discussion”.
Why would seven year-old-girls even be wearing Islamic dress? That usually happens at puberty in Arab countries, they dress in Western clothes until then.
I think it was said she confused the hijab with the dupatta.
Could have been Calvinists. Here's John Calvin himself:
"So if women are thus permitted to have their heads uncovered and to show their hair, they will eventually be allowed to expose their entire breasts, and they will come to make their exhibitions as if it were a tavern show; they will become so brazen that modesty and shame will be no more; in short they will forget the duty of nature…Further, we know that the world takes everything to its own advantage. So, if one has liberty in lesser things, why not do the same with this the same way as with that? And in making such comparisons they will make such a mess that there will be utter chaos. So, when it is permissible for the women to uncover their heads, one will say, ‘Well, what harm in uncovering the stomach also?’ And then after that one will plead for something else; ‘Now if the women go bareheaded, why not also bare this and bare that?’ Then the men, for their part, will break loose too. In short, there will be no decency left, unless people contain themselves and respect what is proper and fitting, so as not to go headlong overboard."
He seems like a man full of the joy of God's love, kindness and compassion.
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
You really are stark raving bonkers.
A total obsessive on this topic. Endlessly posting about it. Endlessly trawling the internet for the faintest inkling of a link to your sheer obsession.
Another one waving away the shooting of 3 9 year olds and 3 staff….
America. They vote to protect the rights of guns more than they do to protect the rights of their children. Any other country would have one such tragedy, recoil in horror, and clamp down on guns so hard hat it couldn't happen again. Not America.
I have long concluded that they are happy with their children being murdered as they keep voting for it. Its appalling, but its their choice,
The Jon Stewart interview of that senator that was linked to a week or so ago now was so telling about that. Being shot is now the largest single cause of death of American children, more than transport or any disease. Its astonishing and depressing.
We had one school shooting in the UK and the whole country said never again.
America, and it’s meh. Kids dying for Second Amendment rights is the price we pay for freedom.
Back on topic (remember that thing Carlotta - something that isn't your anti-trans obsession?) I see these Sunak policies as designed to boost the core Red Wall tory votes.
As Mike points out, the problem is that this will not go down well with the other previously Conservative-voting middle Englanders. I have a close Conservative friend in Surrey who is horrified by this and cannot stand Suella Braverman. Another floating voter friend in west London is disgusted by it.
When in opposition William Hague went out to the right and it didn't do him any good either.
The Conservatives will not return to power until they rediscover the centre ground.
46% of voters in the South of England back the government's boat policy, even more than the 42% who back it nationally.
So in home counties middle England most voters do back it. In London admittedly only 33% back it but London voted mostly Labour even in 2019
Whist this issue is not top of anyone’s list, well behind the economy and inflation, it’s the sort of thing that can affect turnout. If there’s still thousands of smal boats arriving, many Conservatives may well sit on their hands come Election Day. I’m still not sure that Sunak understands the need to actually stop the crossings, rather than talking about stopping them.
Many voters don’t understand why irregular arrivals from France, are not simply taken to Dover and put on the next ferry back.
You're right that people don't understand - the question is why is that so?
(My hunch is that a "first safe country" rule would dump all the problems on safe countries bordering hellholes, in a way that wouldn't be good. And "disperse fairly globally" would need the sort of international arrangement that would go down like a bucket of cold sick with "control our borders" types, even if it's probably the best thing to do.)
But who in the media or politics is exploring this question, let alone answering it?
There are things the people do not know. They do not know because they're not told... (Claud Cockburn, I think)
The Refugee Convention is deliberately written so the neighbouring states don't get the entire burden.
Exactly, and rightly so. But when was that point made to a "they should stay in France" spokesman?
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
You really are stark raving bonkers.
A total obsessive on this topic. Endlessly posting about it. Endlessly trawling the internet for the faintest inkling of a link to your sheer obsession.
Another one waving away the shooting of 3 9 year olds and 3 staff….
America. They vote to protect the rights of guns more than they do to protect the rights of their children. Any other country would have one such tragedy, recoil in horror, and clamp down on guns so hard hat it couldn't happen again. Not America.
I have long concluded that they are happy with their children being murdered as they keep voting for it. Its appalling, but its their choice,
The Jon Stewart interview of that senator that was linked to a week or so ago now was so telling about that. Being shot is now the largest single cause of death of American children, more than transport or any disease. Its astonishing and depressing.
I know that my "America isn't civilised" perspective annoys some people. But compared to anywhere bar a handful of lawless states it isn't. Their approach to human life - of their own citizens - is appalling.
It isn't just the guns thing though that is horrendous. The inequality that permiates their country brings it down, which is why life expectancy is now as low as it is and why it ranks so low on so many measures vs other countries. Then they lie to people proclaiming it to be the greatest country in the world. Yeah, right. Its a zoo.
My experience of the US is that it was always a country of endless individual acts of kindness and compassion from people of almost all political persuasions while, at the same time, being one of entrenched collective and institutional cruelty. The latter persists but, sadly, such is the polarisation now, the former is diminished - though it’s still there.
Whist this issue is not top of anyone’s list, well behind the economy and inflation, it’s the sort of thing that can affect turnout. If there’s still thousands of smal boats arriving, many Conservatives may well sit on their hands come Election Day. I’m still not sure that Sunak understands the need to actually stop the crossings, rather than talking about stopping them.
Many voters don’t understand why irregular arrivals from France, are not simply taken to Dover and put on the next ferry back.
You're right that people don't understand - the question is why is that so?
(My hunch is that a "first safe country" rule would dump all the problems on safe countries bordering hellholes, in a way that wouldn't be good. And "disperse fairly globally" would need the sort of international arrangement that would go down like a bucket of cold sick with "control our borders" types, even if it's probably the best thing to do.)
But who in the media or politics is exploring this question, let alone answering it?
There are things the people do not know. They do not know because they're not told... (Claud Cockburn, I think)
Maybe its because the first safe country rule doesn't really feature in the UN Convention on refugees. The obligations there are on every country who receives a claim for asylum to consider it by an appropriate judicial process. It did feature in the Dublin Convention but almost never worked in practice. Its a simplistic fantasy that makes the problem someone else's. Curiously enough, the someone else isn't terribly keen on it. France, for example, would not accept those put on the next ferry back.
The most remarkable thing about Europe is that there are plenty of countries with falling populations. Taking 1970 as a benchmark, we have the following data.
There are counties whose populations have fallen dramatically (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria)
There are countries whose populations are broadly static or slightly falling (Germany, Italy, Hungary, Scotland, Wales, Greece).
There are countries whose populations are rising (England, France, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, Spain, Switzerland).
It is the latter group of countries that are taking refugees/migrants, as population is primarily increasing in Europe by migration.
One of the things that the EU could & should have done is replace the Dublin Convention by an agreement that migrants are shared out between the member states.
What is interesting is that the countries whose populations are rising are not primarily the entry points to Europe (only Spain is). Remarkably, despite all the bleating by Italian politicians about boats of migrants, the population of Italy has declined since 2012.
Also, it seems to me that the countries of North West Europe, by and large, are certainly doing more than their fair share -- especially as they are furthest away from the entry points.
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
Just odd that after this shooting someone would choose to post an inaccurate tweet from someone in Malaysia who has praised Hitler, rather than something that might be a bit more reliable.
How’s the squirrel hunt going? Just odd that some choose to minimise or wave away male violence - because that’s what this is about
No it's not and it is pretty disgusting that you choose to smear me that way. It's an appeal in general to wait for the facts, and a question as to why use a far-right troll as a source on such a serious matter?
I apologise if you felt smeared but as you can read above any posts I make on the topic are dismissed as those of an obsessive nutter - I was told repeatedly that the Scottish GRR was irrelevant and nobody cared. How did that work out? That people questioning “affirmative care” were transphobes and worthy only of contempt. However, I was following the science in this child abuse scandal and the US and antipodes are now the outliers as European countries pause for thought. The anti-women activists are the ones resorting to violence as we saw in Auckland - and are practicing it in the U.K. and the US.
I agree it's unfair to call you a nutter just for posting a lot on a subject. And I'm sure you know more about it than I do - I tend to refrain from commenting on trans issues because I just don't know enough.
But there's a history of rightwing US commentry jumping on any shootings before the facts are known to try and blame those they dislike, and especially to try and avoid any suggestions that handing guns out to everyone might not be a great idea.
And of course this shooting is being used by transphobes, and the far-right, so my appeal to be careful still stands.
The issue with the right being involved in questioning trans propaganda and its most insidious aspect in the US - affirmative care - is because the Democrats are full hearted supporters of it. Posie Parker gets criticised for speaking to right wing US foundations - this is why she does:
No, she gets criticised for posting shit like this.
Is that islamophobic, though, or just ultra radical feminism?
I know plenty of radical feminists who despise the hijab or burka as tools of female oppression.
Similarly, Richard Dawkins pulls no punches when it comes to Islam - he sees it as just as stupid as any other religion.
Indeed.
Richard Dawkins is no Islamophobe.
How do I know that
1) He’s equally rude about other religions
2) He never praised Tommy Robinson
3) Not regularly appeared on shows hosted by people who talk about white genocide.
I’m an atheist, though not as hardline as Dawkins. I’ll be honest, I think there’s more to criticise or at least comment on Islam than other religions. Women’s dress being an obvious area, though you could add Orthodox Jews into the mix.
Ramadan: Match officials asked to provide opportunity for Muslim players across Premier League and EFL to break fast Match officials issued with guidance ahead of holy period of Ramadan and encouraged to find natural pause in play during evening matches to allow any Muslim player or match official to break their fast before resuming the action; Ramadan begins this week and lasts around a month.
A friend who I go to football is a devout Catholic. Playing on Good Friday and Easter Sunday used to be a big no no. But not any more. He won’t be at Anfield with me next Sunday because Church comes first.
We stopped caring about Christianity ages ago. Why are we accommodating other religions?
Not all players fast in Ramadan, often doing fast days on alternative dates to match days.
When he played for Leicester Wesley Fofana would fast even on match days, and go to the sidelines for a drink and glucose gel at the first break in play after the fast ending. It doesn't disrupt play.
This is the dumb thing. There’s plenty of scope for footballers working around match days with fasting. The Premier League should not do religion.
I see it as a health issue. We have drink breaks in matches on particularly hot days, and frequent breaks in play with fake injuries that stop play for minutes at a time. I don't have a problem with a brief halt at an appropriate point for Ramadan.
The really fun thing about this Rwanda strategy is that all the disused military bases the government will need for interning the boat people are going to be in Tory constituencies. This will see Tory MPs, hugely supportive of the policy, fighting tooth and nail to prevent it being rolled out on their turf.
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
Just odd that after this shooting someone would choose to post an inaccurate tweet from someone in Malaysia who has praised Hitler, rather than something that might be a bit more reliable.
How’s the squirrel hunt going? Just odd that some choose to minimise or wave away male violence - because that’s what this is about
No it's not and it is pretty disgusting that you choose to smear me that way. It's an appeal in general to wait for the facts, and a question as to why use a far-right troll as a source on such a serious matter?
I apologise if you felt smeared but as you can read above any posts I make on the topic are dismissed as those of an obsessive nutter - I was told repeatedly that the Scottish GRR was irrelevant and nobody cared. How did that work out? That people questioning “affirmative care” were transphobes and worthy only of contempt. However, I was following the science in this child abuse scandal and the US and antipodes are now the outliers as European countries pause for thought. The anti-women activists are the ones resorting to violence as we saw in Auckland - and are practicing it in the U.K. and the US.
I agree it's unfair to call you a nutter just for posting a lot on a subject. And I'm sure you know more about it than I do - I tend to refrain from commenting on trans issues because I just don't know enough.
But there's a history of rightwing US commentry jumping on any shootings before the facts are known to try and blame those they dislike, and especially to try and avoid any suggestions that handing guns out to everyone might not be a great idea.
And of course this shooting is being used by transphobes, and the far-right, so my appeal to be careful still stands.
The issue with the right being involved in questioning trans propaganda and its most insidious aspect in the US - affirmative care - is because the Democrats are full hearted supporters of it. Posie Parker gets criticised for speaking to right wing US foundations - this is why she does:
No, she gets criticised for posting shit like this.
Criticism of hijabs as sexist isn’t allowed? Good to know. More “no discussion”.
Why would seven year-old-girls even be wearing Islamic dress? That usually happens at puberty in Arab countries, they dress in Western clothes until then.
I think it was said she confused the hijab with the dupatta.
Could have been Calvinists. Here's John Calvin himself:
"So if women are thus permitted to have their heads uncovered and to show their hair, they will eventually be allowed to expose their entire breasts, and they will come to make their exhibitions as if it were a tavern show; they will become so brazen that modesty and shame will be no more; in short they will forget the duty of nature…Further, we know that the world takes everything to its own advantage. So, if one has liberty in lesser things, why not do the same with this the same way as with that? And in making such comparisons they will make such a mess that there will be utter chaos. So, when it is permissible for the women to uncover their heads, one will say, ‘Well, what harm in uncovering the stomach also?’ And then after that one will plead for something else; ‘Now if the women go bareheaded, why not also bare this and bare that?’ Then the men, for their part, will break loose too. In short, there will be no decency left, unless people contain themselves and respect what is proper and fitting, so as not to go headlong overboard."
He seems like a man full of the joy of God's love, kindness and compassion.
Calvin is somewhat misunderstood. He was in favour of a harmonious society that comes from good order, hard work and self discipline, where everyone, including girls, is educated and no-one goes hungry.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
A lot of the own brand stuff is made in the same factories, by the same staff, as the branded stuff, albeit to a different recipe.
You'd assume that Asda are using cheaper ingredients, but they're probably also profiteering on the brand loyalty of customers able and willing to pay more for branded products.
I don't eat ketchup because it's fucking disgusting but I know my kids would go ballistic if we bought anything other than Heinz. We had a mini rebellion on our hands just substituting the low sugar and salt version. I'm mostly an own brand kind of guy but there are certain things (weetabix, ketchup and mayonnaise, marmite, nutella) where only the branded version will do.
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
Just odd that after this shooting someone would choose to post an inaccurate tweet from someone in Malaysia who has praised Hitler, rather than something that might be a bit more reliable.
How’s the squirrel hunt going? Just odd that some choose to minimise or wave away male violence - because that’s what this is about
No it's not and it is pretty disgusting that you choose to smear me that way. It's an appeal in general to wait for the facts, and a question as to why use a far-right troll as a source on such a serious matter?
I apologise if you felt smeared but as you can read above any posts I make on the topic are dismissed as those of an obsessive nutter - I was told repeatedly that the Scottish GRR was irrelevant and nobody cared. How did that work out? That people questioning “affirmative care” were transphobes and worthy only of contempt. However, I was following the science in this child abuse scandal and the US and antipodes are now the outliers as European countries pause for thought. The anti-women activists are the ones resorting to violence as we saw in Auckland - and are practicing it in the U.K. and the US.
I agree it's unfair to call you a nutter just for posting a lot on a subject. And I'm sure you know more about it than I do - I tend to refrain from commenting on trans issues because I just don't know enough.
But there's a history of rightwing US commentry jumping on any shootings before the facts are known to try and blame those they dislike, and especially to try and avoid any suggestions that handing guns out to everyone might not be a great idea.
And of course this shooting is being used by transphobes, and the far-right, so my appeal to be careful still stands.
The issue with the right being involved in questioning trans propaganda and its most insidious aspect in the US - affirmative care - is because the Democrats are full hearted supporters of it. Posie Parker gets criticised for speaking to right wing US foundations - this is why she does:
No, she gets criticised for posting shit like this.
Is that islamophobic, though, or just ultra radical feminism?
I know plenty of radical feminists who despise the hijab or burka as tools of female oppression.
Similarly, Richard Dawkins pulls no punches when it comes to Islam - he sees it as just as stupid as any other religion.
Indeed.
Richard Dawkins is no Islamophobe.
How do I know that
1) He’s equally rude about other religions
2) He never praised Tommy Robinson
3) Not regularly appeared on shows hosted by people who talk about white genocide.
I’m an atheist, though not as hardline as Dawkins. I’ll be honest, I think there’s more to criticise or at least comment on Islam than other religions. Women’s dress being an obvious area, though you could add Orthodox Jews into the mix.
Ramadan: Match officials asked to provide opportunity for Muslim players across Premier League and EFL to break fast Match officials issued with guidance ahead of holy period of Ramadan and encouraged to find natural pause in play during evening matches to allow any Muslim player or match official to break their fast before resuming the action; Ramadan begins this week and lasts around a month.
A friend who I go to football is a devout Catholic. Playing on Good Friday and Easter Sunday used to be a big no no. But not any more. He won’t be at Anfield with me next Sunday because Church comes first.
We stopped caring about Christianity ages ago. Why are we accommodating other religions?
Not all players fast in Ramadan, often doing fast days on alternative dates to match days.
When he played for Leicester Wesley Fofana would fast even on match days, and go to the sidelines for a drink and glucose gel at the first break in play after the fast ending. It doesn't disrupt play.
This is the dumb thing. There’s plenty of scope for footballers working around match days with fasting. The Premier League should not do religion.
I see it as a health issue. We have drink breaks in matches on particularly hot days, and frequent breaks in play with fake injuries that stop play for minutes at a time. I don't have a problem with a brief halt at an appropriate point for Ramadan.
If it's a health issue, should Muslim players be allowed to play whilst fasting? Next Sunday, sunset isn't until after the game has finished. Should Salah play?
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
Just odd that after this shooting someone would choose to post an inaccurate tweet from someone in Malaysia who has praised Hitler, rather than something that might be a bit more reliable.
How’s the squirrel hunt going? Just odd that some choose to minimise or wave away male violence - because that’s what this is about
No it's not and it is pretty disgusting that you choose to smear me that way. It's an appeal in general to wait for the facts, and a question as to why use a far-right troll as a source on such a serious matter?
I apologise if you felt smeared but as you can read above any posts I make on the topic are dismissed as those of an obsessive nutter - I was told repeatedly that the Scottish GRR was irrelevant and nobody cared. How did that work out? That people questioning “affirmative care” were transphobes and worthy only of contempt. However, I was following the science in this child abuse scandal and the US and antipodes are now the outliers as European countries pause for thought. The anti-women activists are the ones resorting to violence as we saw in Auckland - and are practicing it in the U.K. and the US.
I agree it's unfair to call you a nutter just for posting a lot on a subject. And I'm sure you know more about it than I do - I tend to refrain from commenting on trans issues because I just don't know enough.
But there's a history of rightwing US commentry jumping on any shootings before the facts are known to try and blame those they dislike, and especially to try and avoid any suggestions that handing guns out to everyone might not be a great idea.
And of course this shooting is being used by transphobes, and the far-right, so my appeal to be careful still stands.
The issue with the right being involved in questioning trans propaganda and its most insidious aspect in the US - affirmative care - is because the Democrats are full hearted supporters of it. Posie Parker gets criticised for speaking to right wing US foundations - this is why she does:
No, she gets criticised for posting shit like this.
Criticism of hijabs as sexist isn’t allowed? Good to know. More “no discussion”.
Why would seven year-old-girls even be wearing Islamic dress? That usually happens at puberty in Arab countries, they dress in Western clothes until then.
I think it was said she confused the hijab with the dupatta.
Could have been Calvinists. Here's John Calvin himself:
"So if women are thus permitted to have their heads uncovered and to show their hair, they will eventually be allowed to expose their entire breasts, and they will come to make their exhibitions as if it were a tavern show; they will become so brazen that modesty and shame will be no more; in short they will forget the duty of nature…Further, we know that the world takes everything to its own advantage. So, if one has liberty in lesser things, why not do the same with this the same way as with that? And in making such comparisons they will make such a mess that there will be utter chaos. So, when it is permissible for the women to uncover their heads, one will say, ‘Well, what harm in uncovering the stomach also?’ And then after that one will plead for something else; ‘Now if the women go bareheaded, why not also bare this and bare that?’ Then the men, for their part, will break loose too. In short, there will be no decency left, unless people contain themselves and respect what is proper and fitting, so as not to go headlong overboard."
He seems like a man full of the joy of God's love, kindness and compassion.
Calvin is somewhat misunderstood. He was in favour of a harmonious society that comes from good order, hard work and self discipline, where everyone is educated and no-one goes hungry.
Growing up in Scotland I get the appeal of Calvinism. But I'm sure it's possible to live in a harmonious and comfortable society where women also get to wear what they want and people don't lose their shit.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
A lot of the own brand stuff is made in the same factories, by the same staff, as the branded stuff, albeit to a different recipe.
You'd assume that Asda are using cheaper ingredients, but they're probably also profiteering on the brand loyalty of customers able and willing to pay more for branded products.
I don't eat ketchup because it's fucking disgusting but I know my kids would go ballistic if we bought anything other than Heinz. We had a mini rebellion on our hands just substituting the low sugar and salt version. I'm mostly an own brand kind of guy but there are certain things (weetabix, ketchup and mayonnaise, marmite, nutella) where only the branded version will do.
Absolutely the only branded products I never vary from buying are Heinz Spaghetti and Marmite.
The own brands just don't do it for me.
Everything else - own brand is cheaper and find it tastes no different.
Edit - I suppose you could add single malt whisky to that list, but I don't buy that very often. Maybe every three months.
Back on topic (remember that thing Carlotta - something that isn't your anti-trans obsession?) I see these Sunak policies as designed to boost the core Red Wall tory votes.
As Mike points out, the problem is that this will not go down well with the other previously Conservative-voting middle Englanders. I have a close Conservative friend in Surrey who is horrified by this and cannot stand Suella Braverman. Another floating voter friend in west London is disgusted by it.
When in opposition William Hague went out to the right and it didn't do him any good either.
The Conservatives will not return to power until they rediscover the centre ground.
46% of voters in the South of England back the government's boat policy, even more than the 42% who back it nationally.
So in home counties middle England most voters do back it. In London admittedly only 33% back it but London voted mostly Labour even in 2019
South for electoral purposes excludes Greater London and is politically very blue. It’s also leave voting as a region.
So you’d expect support to be higher than the national average. I suspect if you dig further, in remain leaning Tory seats where the Lib Dems are competitive, the numbers would be very different.
But it’s also another example of how silly the generalisation that some mythical northern working class hinterland is the home of Brexit and authoritarianism. It was retired people in the South as much as anyone in the red wall that got Brexit over the line.
The really fun thing about this Rwanda strategy is that all the disused military bases the government will need for interning the boat people are going to be in Tory constituencies. This will see Tory MPs, hugely supportive of the policy, fighting tooth and nail to prevent it being rolled out on their turf.
Second only to the spiteful inhumanity of this policy is the sheer stupidity of it.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
The ingredients are significantly cheaper, but advertising and marketing consumes a lot of the price differential
There is a basic principle when it comes to brand vs own brand. With branded the manufacturer makes a higher profit margin and is required to spend it marketing the virtues of the brand, with own brand the retailer makes a higher profit margin and invests part of that into promoting the virtues of the retailer.
Retailers dictate the recipe of own brand products and what they are prepared to pay. Which means a much cheaper recipe which may or may not be close enough to the branded more expensive recipe. Because the supermarket controls its own prices it is much better equipped to slash prices (and its own profit margin) if this is a key line where it has to be competitive.
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
A lot of the own brand stuff is made in the same factories, by the same staff, as the branded stuff, albeit to a different recipe.
You'd assume that Asda are using cheaper ingredients, but they're probably also profiteering on the brand loyalty of customers able and willing to pay more for branded products.
I don't eat ketchup because it's fucking disgusting but I know my kids would go ballistic if we bought anything other than Heinz. We had a mini rebellion on our hands just substituting the low sugar and salt version. I'm mostly an own brand kind of guy but there are certain things (weetabix, ketchup and mayonnaise, marmite, nutella) where only the branded version will do.
Absolutely the only branded products I never vary from buying are Heinz Spaghetti and Marmite.
The own brands just don't do it for me.
Everything else - own brand is cheaper and find it tastes no different.
Rice Krispies and weetabix: the krispies are more toasted than own brand and the bix are a bit crunchier.
Lurpak is a bit nicer than the danpak, norpak and other cod-Scandy own brand spreadable butters. But I prefer slabs of real stuff anyway.
On the good news front, Kevin Mckenzie thinks Lineker and Davie are both finished. Lineker won't have his contract renewed and Davie will go as Lineker says Davie told him he had carte balance over refugees and Climate change. If they both go the left and right will be equally happy
Just to start with it is top and tailed with financial scams.
The interviewer was utterly nasty.
Why do you take pleasure in people losing there jobs?
What was being said might be true, but not sure Lineker will be worried as his contract runs to 2025 so he can carry on giving his views and clearly money isn't an issue.
Finally why on earth are you watching this bile?
Their not there. It came up on a Google link. Kelvin calls it as it is. The interviewer clearly has an agenda. I didn't search it out but I would be happy to see Lineker go. People lose their jobs all the time. Not sure you express regret about theirs.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
A lot of the own brand stuff is made in the same factories, by the same staff, as the branded stuff, albeit to a different recipe.
You'd assume that Asda are using cheaper ingredients, but they're probably also profiteering on the brand loyalty of customers able and willing to pay more for branded products.
A lot of it isn't even to a different recipe. Tea is the most remarkable, but butter or its substitutes are essentially the same product no matter what the label on the tub.
Not entirely true. Lets take a product where there is one ingredient - oats. There is a huge price differential between floor-sweeping grade oats that go into value products and premium grade that go into the brands. And yet both declare "Oats 100%" as their ingredient declaration.
Oats are not the same as oats. Same with tea or yellow fats.
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
You really are stark raving bonkers.
A total obsessive on this topic. Endlessly posting about it. Endlessly trawling the internet for the faintest inkling of a link to your sheer obsession.
Another one waving away the shooting of 3 9 year olds and 3 staff….
America. They vote to protect the rights of guns more than they do to protect the rights of their children. Any other country would have one such tragedy, recoil in horror, and clamp down on guns so hard hat it couldn't happen again. Not America.
I have long concluded that they are happy with their children being murdered as they keep voting for it. Its appalling, but its their choice,
The Jon Stewart interview of that senator that was linked to a week or so ago now was so telling about that. Being shot is now the largest single cause of death of American children, more than transport or any disease. Its astonishing and depressing.
I know that my "America isn't civilised" perspective annoys some people. But compared to anywhere bar a handful of lawless states it isn't. Their approach to human life - of their own citizens - is appalling.
It isn't just the guns thing though that is horrendous. The inequality that permiates their country brings it down, which is why life expectancy is now as low as it is and why it ranks so low on so many measures vs other countries. Then they lie to people proclaiming it to be the greatest country in the world. Yeah, right. Its a zoo.
My experience of the US is that it was always a country of endless individual acts of kindness and compassion from people of almost all political persuasions while, at the same time, being one of entrenched collective and institutional cruelty. The latter persists but, sadly, such is the polarisation now, the former is diminished - though it’s still there.
Yes. So many wonderful people who contribute to the world in such a massive way. And yet collectively they are horrendous. I don't know how/why the nice ones continue to live with the shitkickers and vice-versa.
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
Just odd that after this shooting someone would choose to post an inaccurate tweet from someone in Malaysia who has praised Hitler, rather than something that might be a bit more reliable.
How’s the squirrel hunt going? Just odd that some choose to minimise or wave away male violence - because that’s what this is about
No it's not and it is pretty disgusting that you choose to smear me that way. It's an appeal in general to wait for the facts, and a question as to why use a far-right troll as a source on such a serious matter?
I apologise if you felt smeared but as you can read above any posts I make on the topic are dismissed as those of an obsessive nutter - I was told repeatedly that the Scottish GRR was irrelevant and nobody cared. How did that work out? That people questioning “affirmative care” were transphobes and worthy only of contempt. However, I was following the science in this child abuse scandal and the US and antipodes are now the outliers as European countries pause for thought. The anti-women activists are the ones resorting to violence as we saw in Auckland - and are practicing it in the U.K. and the US.
I agree it's unfair to call you a nutter just for posting a lot on a subject. And I'm sure you know more about it than I do - I tend to refrain from commenting on trans issues because I just don't know enough.
But there's a history of rightwing US commentry jumping on any shootings before the facts are known to try and blame those they dislike, and especially to try and avoid any suggestions that handing guns out to everyone might not be a great idea.
And of course this shooting is being used by transphobes, and the far-right, so my appeal to be careful still stands.
The issue with the right being involved in questioning trans propaganda and its most insidious aspect in the US - affirmative care - is because the Democrats are full hearted supporters of it. Posie Parker gets criticised for speaking to right wing US foundations - this is why she does:
No, she gets criticised for posting shit like this.
Criticism of hijabs as sexist isn’t allowed? Good to know. More “no discussion”.
Why would seven year-old-girls even be wearing Islamic dress? That usually happens at puberty in Arab countries, they dress in Western clothes until then.
I think it was said she confused the hijab with the dupatta.
Could have been Calvinists. Here's John Calvin himself:
"So if women are thus permitted to have their heads uncovered and to show their hair, they will eventually be allowed to expose their entire breasts, and they will come to make their exhibitions as if it were a tavern show; they will become so brazen that modesty and shame will be no more; in short they will forget the duty of nature…Further, we know that the world takes everything to its own advantage. So, if one has liberty in lesser things, why not do the same with this the same way as with that? And in making such comparisons they will make such a mess that there will be utter chaos. So, when it is permissible for the women to uncover their heads, one will say, ‘Well, what harm in uncovering the stomach also?’ And then after that one will plead for something else; ‘Now if the women go bareheaded, why not also bare this and bare that?’ Then the men, for their part, will break loose too. In short, there will be no decency left, unless people contain themselves and respect what is proper and fitting, so as not to go headlong overboard."
He seems like a man full of the joy of God's love, kindness and compassion.
Calvin is somewhat misunderstood. He was in favour of a harmonious society that comes from good order, hard work and self discipline, where everyone is educated and no-one goes hungry.
Growing up in Scotland I get the appeal of Calvinism. But I'm sure it's possible to live in a harmonious and comfortable society where women also get to wear what they want and people don't lose their shit.
I agree but I'm not sure that's really the point Calvin was making. Which is more like the argument why people should wear suits to work. Bear in mind at the time what people could wear was prescribed by law according to what class you inhabited.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
A lot of the own brand stuff is made in the same factories, by the same staff, as the branded stuff, albeit to a different recipe.
You'd assume that Asda are using cheaper ingredients, but they're probably also profiteering on the brand loyalty of customers able and willing to pay more for branded products.
I don't eat ketchup because it's fucking disgusting but I know my kids would go ballistic if we bought anything other than Heinz. We had a mini rebellion on our hands just substituting the low sugar and salt version. I'm mostly an own brand kind of guy but there are certain things (weetabix, ketchup and mayonnaise, marmite, nutella) where only the branded version will do.
Absolutely the only branded products I never vary from buying are Heinz Spaghetti and Marmite.
The own brands just don't do it for me.
Everything else - own brand is cheaper and find it tastes no different.
Edit - I suppose you could add single malt whisky to that list, but I don't buy that very often. Maybe every three months.
On the good news front, Kevin Mckenzie thinks Lineker and Davie are both finished. Lineker won't have his contract renewed and Davie will go as Lineker says Davie told him he had carte balance over refugees and Climate change. If they both go the left and right will be equally happy
Just to start with it is top and tailed with financial scams.
The interviewer was utterly nasty.
Why do you take pleasure in people losing there jobs?
What was being said might be true, but not sure Lineker will be worried as his contract runs to 2025 so he can carry on giving his views and clearly money isn't an issue.
Finally why on earth are you watching this bile?
All valid questions.
However:
Lineker is being paid with my license fee to do what is essentially a non-job. You do not need somebody to present football highlights (or cricket, Mark Nicholas). A lot of time is wasted in pointless and uninteresting talking that could be used to show some actual action.
So - if they get rid of him, why not? He's done very nicely out of it over the years and if it can be managed better and more cheaply without him, the Beeb should go for it,
They won't of course, they'll appoint somebody else to do the pointless drivel. But they should.
Yep. People do seem to like the analysis which is why they presumably do it and yes it could be done with cheaper people. All valid analysis, but that wasn't the point I was making (as I guess you know from your comment about them being valid points)
My point was why would you post that link. It was appalling. The scam adverts either side tells you everything you need to know about what you are watching.
A valid argument is devalued when you post a link to something nasty supporting your view. I would never link to the Socialist Worker or BNP or something promoting scams supporting something I believed in.
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Fund the Home Office to deal with asylum claims quickly and remove people whose claims are not valid. Fund local authorities to monitor and close down black economy operations in their area. Open up more legal pathways for refugees to come here and fund their integration into the economy and our society. Would get my vote.
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
You really are stark raving bonkers.
A total obsessive on this topic. Endlessly posting about it. Endlessly trawling the internet for the faintest inkling of a link to your sheer obsession.
Another one waving away the shooting of 3 9 year olds and 3 staff….
America. They vote to protect the rights of guns more than they do to protect the rights of their children. Any other country would have one such tragedy, recoil in horror, and clamp down on guns so hard hat it couldn't happen again. Not America.
I have long concluded that they are happy with their children being murdered as they keep voting for it. Its appalling, but its their choice,
The Jon Stewart interview of that senator that was linked to a week or so ago now was so telling about that. Being shot is now the largest single cause of death of American children, more than transport or any disease. Its astonishing and depressing.
We had one school shooting in the UK and the whole country said never again.
America, and it’s meh. Kids dying for Second Amendment rights is the price we pay for freedom.
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
Just odd that after this shooting someone would choose to post an inaccurate tweet from someone in Malaysia who has praised Hitler, rather than something that might be a bit more reliable.
How’s the squirrel hunt going? Just odd that some choose to minimise or wave away male violence - because that’s what this is about
No it's not and it is pretty disgusting that you choose to smear me that way. It's an appeal in general to wait for the facts, and a question as to why use a far-right troll as a source on such a serious matter?
I apologise if you felt smeared but as you can read above any posts I make on the topic are dismissed as those of an obsessive nutter - I was told repeatedly that the Scottish GRR was irrelevant and nobody cared. How did that work out? That people questioning “affirmative care” were transphobes and worthy only of contempt. However, I was following the science in this child abuse scandal and the US and antipodes are now the outliers as European countries pause for thought. The anti-women activists are the ones resorting to violence as we saw in Auckland - and are practicing it in the U.K. and the US.
I agree it's unfair to call you a nutter just for posting a lot on a subject. And I'm sure you know more about it than I do - I tend to refrain from commenting on trans issues because I just don't know enough.
But there's a history of rightwing US commentry jumping on any shootings before the facts are known to try and blame those they dislike, and especially to try and avoid any suggestions that handing guns out to everyone might not be a great idea.
And of course this shooting is being used by transphobes, and the far-right, so my appeal to be careful still stands.
The issue with the right being involved in questioning trans propaganda and its most insidious aspect in the US - affirmative care - is because the Democrats are full hearted supporters of it. Posie Parker gets criticised for speaking to right wing US foundations - this is why she does:
No, she gets criticised for posting shit like this.
Is that islamophobic, though, or just ultra radical feminism?
I know plenty of radical feminists who despise the hijab or burka as tools of female oppression.
Similarly, Richard Dawkins pulls no punches when it comes to Islam - he sees it as just as stupid as any other religion.
Indeed.
Richard Dawkins is no Islamophobe.
How do I know that
1) He’s equally rude about other religions
2) He never praised Tommy Robinson
3) Not regularly appeared on shows hosted by people who talk about white genocide.
I’m an atheist, though not as hardline as Dawkins. I’ll be honest, I think there’s more to criticise or at least comment on Islam than other religions. Women’s dress being an obvious area, though you could add Orthodox Jews into the mix.
Ramadan: Match officials asked to provide opportunity for Muslim players across Premier League and EFL to break fast Match officials issued with guidance ahead of holy period of Ramadan and encouraged to find natural pause in play during evening matches to allow any Muslim player or match official to break their fast before resuming the action; Ramadan begins this week and lasts around a month.
A friend who I go to football is a devout Catholic. Playing on Good Friday and Easter Sunday used to be a big no no. But not any more. He won’t be at Anfield with me next Sunday because Church comes first.
We stopped caring about Christianity ages ago. Why are we accommodating other religions?
As Salman Rushdie and the Charlie Hebdo creators discovered if you disrespect Islam there may be a response from sections of that community rather more hardline than most western Christians would give if you disrespect Christianity
Try dissing Jesus outside a Baptist chapel in Alabama, see where that gets you.
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
Just odd that after this shooting someone would choose to post an inaccurate tweet from someone in Malaysia who has praised Hitler, rather than something that might be a bit more reliable.
How’s the squirrel hunt going? Just odd that some choose to minimise or wave away male violence - because that’s what this is about
No it's not and it is pretty disgusting that you choose to smear me that way. It's an appeal in general to wait for the facts, and a question as to why use a far-right troll as a source on such a serious matter?
I apologise if you felt smeared but as you can read above any posts I make on the topic are dismissed as those of an obsessive nutter - I was told repeatedly that the Scottish GRR was irrelevant and nobody cared. How did that work out? That people questioning “affirmative care” were transphobes and worthy only of contempt. However, I was following the science in this child abuse scandal and the US and antipodes are now the outliers as European countries pause for thought. The anti-women activists are the ones resorting to violence as we saw in Auckland - and are practicing it in the U.K. and the US.
I agree it's unfair to call you a nutter just for posting a lot on a subject. And I'm sure you know more about it than I do - I tend to refrain from commenting on trans issues because I just don't know enough.
But there's a history of rightwing US commentry jumping on any shootings before the facts are known to try and blame those they dislike, and especially to try and avoid any suggestions that handing guns out to everyone might not be a great idea.
And of course this shooting is being used by transphobes, and the far-right, so my appeal to be careful still stands.
The issue with the right being involved in questioning trans propaganda and its most insidious aspect in the US - affirmative care - is because the Democrats are full hearted supporters of it. Posie Parker gets criticised for speaking to right wing US foundations - this is why she does:
No, she gets criticised for posting shit like this.
Is that islamophobic, though, or just ultra radical feminism?
I know plenty of radical feminists who despise the hijab or burka as tools of female oppression.
Similarly, Richard Dawkins pulls no punches when it comes to Islam - he sees it as just as stupid as any other religion.
Indeed.
Richard Dawkins is no Islamophobe.
How do I know that
1) He’s equally rude about other religions
2) He never praised Tommy Robinson
3) Not regularly appeared on shows hosted by people who talk about white genocide.
I’m an atheist, though not as hardline as Dawkins. I’ll be honest, I think there’s more to criticise or at least comment on Islam than other religions. Women’s dress being an obvious area, though you could add Orthodox Jews into the mix.
Ramadan: Match officials asked to provide opportunity for Muslim players across Premier League and EFL to break fast Match officials issued with guidance ahead of holy period of Ramadan and encouraged to find natural pause in play during evening matches to allow any Muslim player or match official to break their fast before resuming the action; Ramadan begins this week and lasts around a month.
A friend who I go to football is a devout Catholic. Playing on Good Friday and Easter Sunday used to be a big no no. But not any more. He won’t be at Anfield with me next Sunday because Church comes first.
We stopped caring about Christianity ages ago. Why are we accommodating other religions?
As Salman Rushdie and the Charlie Hebdo creators discovered if you disrespect Islam there may be a response from sections of that community rather more hardline than most western Christians would give if you disrespect Christianity
Try dissing Jesus outside a Baptist chapel in Alabama, see where that gets you.
Probably not a worldwide hunt to publicly decapitate you and an armed guard.
The really fun thing about this Rwanda strategy is that all the disused military bases the government will need for interning the boat people are going to be in Tory constituencies. This will see Tory MPs, hugely supportive of the policy, fighting tooth and nail to prevent it being rolled out on their turf.
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
Just odd that after this shooting someone would choose to post an inaccurate tweet from someone in Malaysia who has praised Hitler, rather than something that might be a bit more reliable.
How’s the squirrel hunt going? Just odd that some choose to minimise or wave away male violence - because that’s what this is about
No it's not and it is pretty disgusting that you choose to smear me that way. It's an appeal in general to wait for the facts, and a question as to why use a far-right troll as a source on such a serious matter?
I apologise if you felt smeared but as you can read above any posts I make on the topic are dismissed as those of an obsessive nutter - I was told repeatedly that the Scottish GRR was irrelevant and nobody cared. How did that work out? That people questioning “affirmative care” were transphobes and worthy only of contempt. However, I was following the science in this child abuse scandal and the US and antipodes are now the outliers as European countries pause for thought. The anti-women activists are the ones resorting to violence as we saw in Auckland - and are practicing it in the U.K. and the US.
I agree it's unfair to call you a nutter just for posting a lot on a subject. And I'm sure you know more about it than I do - I tend to refrain from commenting on trans issues because I just don't know enough.
But there's a history of rightwing US commentry jumping on any shootings before the facts are known to try and blame those they dislike, and especially to try and avoid any suggestions that handing guns out to everyone might not be a great idea.
And of course this shooting is being used by transphobes, and the far-right, so my appeal to be careful still stands.
The issue with the right being involved in questioning trans propaganda and its most insidious aspect in the US - affirmative care - is because the Democrats are full hearted supporters of it. Posie Parker gets criticised for speaking to right wing US foundations - this is why she does:
No, she gets criticised for posting shit like this.
Is that islamophobic, though, or just ultra radical feminism?
I know plenty of radical feminists who despise the hijab or burka as tools of female oppression.
Similarly, Richard Dawkins pulls no punches when it comes to Islam - he sees it as just as stupid as any other religion.
Indeed.
Richard Dawkins is no Islamophobe.
How do I know that
1) He’s equally rude about other religions
2) He never praised Tommy Robinson
3) Not regularly appeared on shows hosted by people who talk about white genocide.
I’m an atheist, though not as hardline as Dawkins. I’ll be honest, I think there’s more to criticise or at least comment on Islam than other religions. Women’s dress being an obvious area, though you could add Orthodox Jews into the mix.
Ramadan: Match officials asked to provide opportunity for Muslim players across Premier League and EFL to break fast Match officials issued with guidance ahead of holy period of Ramadan and encouraged to find natural pause in play during evening matches to allow any Muslim player or match official to break their fast before resuming the action; Ramadan begins this week and lasts around a month.
A friend who I go to football is a devout Catholic. Playing on Good Friday and Easter Sunday used to be a big no no. But not any more. He won’t be at Anfield with me next Sunday because Church comes first.
We stopped caring about Christianity ages ago. Why are we accommodating other religions?
As Salman Rushdie and the Charlie Hebdo creators discovered if you disrespect Islam there may be a response from sections of that community rather more hardline than most western Christians would give if you disrespect Christianity
Try dissing Jesus outside a Baptist chapel in Alabama, see where that gets you.
The US has a lot of school and college shootings unfortunately, it doesn't have many dissing Jesus shootings that I can recall
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Fund the Home Office to deal with asylum claims quickly and remove people whose claims are not valid. Fund local authorities to monitor and close down black economy operations in their area. Open up more legal pathways for refugees to come here and fund their integration into the economy and our society. Would get my vote.
Make the employers (who generally are savagely exploiting the victims) of undocumented immigrants liable. As in directors personal property level liable.
Fines of £100K per offence. Give half to the undocumented worker, plus indefinite leave to remain - if they give evidence that leads to convictions.
Do the same for people deliberately paying below minimum wage.
Both will reach 0% a week after the first prosecution.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
The ingredients are significantly cheaper, but advertising and marketing consumes a lot of the price differential
There is a basic principle when it comes to brand vs own brand. With branded the manufacturer makes a higher profit margin and is required to spend it marketing the virtues of the brand, with own brand the retailer makes a higher profit margin and invests part of that into promoting the virtues of the retailer.
Retailers dictate the recipe of own brand products and what they are prepared to pay. Which means a much cheaper recipe which may or may not be close enough to the branded more expensive recipe. Because the supermarket controls its own prices it is much better equipped to slash prices (and its own profit margin) if this is a key line where it has to be competitive.
Its just difficult to envisage how one product which is very similar to another product can be more than 4 times as expensive without massive profiteering.
Whist this issue is not top of anyone’s list, well behind the economy and inflation, it’s the sort of thing that can affect turnout. If there’s still thousands of smal boats arriving, many Conservatives may well sit on their hands come Election Day. I’m still not sure that Sunak understands the need to actually stop the crossings, rather than talking about stopping them.
Many voters don’t understand why irregular arrivals from France, are not simply taken to Dover and put on the next ferry back.
Because there's no legal obligation on the private ferry company e.g P&O to do this. If they had arrived by ferry on a scheduled service, then actually the UK authorities could indeed compel P&O to return them to France. By being irregular arrivals, the small boats are operating outside of antiquated UK immigration legislation from the 1970s. So if you want to put them back on a ferry, you (1) need to pay for a ferry; (2) provide the escorts required to compel the returns to France in a compliant, safe way and (3) have a returns agreement with France for irregular arrivals to the UK. All of those are very difficult.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
The ingredients are significantly cheaper, but advertising and marketing consumes a lot of the price differential
There is a basic principle when it comes to brand vs own brand. With branded the manufacturer makes a higher profit margin and is required to spend it marketing the virtues of the brand, with own brand the retailer makes a higher profit margin and invests part of that into promoting the virtues of the retailer.
Retailers dictate the recipe of own brand products and what they are prepared to pay. Which means a much cheaper recipe which may or may not be close enough to the branded more expensive recipe. Because the supermarket controls its own prices it is much better equipped to slash prices (and its own profit margin) if this is a key line where it has to be competitive.
Was doing a tasting of supermarket substitutes for Marmite and discovered they were all quite different from each other despite being packed in the same jars.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
A lot of the own brand stuff is made in the same factories, by the same staff, as the branded stuff, albeit to a different recipe.
You'd assume that Asda are using cheaper ingredients, but they're probably also profiteering on the brand loyalty of customers able and willing to pay more for branded products.
A lot of it isn't even to a different recipe. Tea is the most remarkable, but butter or its substitutes are essentially the same product no matter what the label on the tub.
I've long wondered at many friends and acquaintances who retain this absurd brand loyalty paying over the odds while moaning about the prices!
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Humane and electoral no longer go together with the Tories. They remain terrified of the threat of reFUK who won't stop short of sink the boats. We know the Tories will propose Zero as the asylum cap (because we are "full") and call out anyone who thinks otherwise as "betraying Britain".
So it is attractive if you are the kind of person who wants fortress England, less so if you are humane.
Going back to the SNP show yesterday, there is one outcome that may be significant.
Public/MSM attention goes to party leaders/politicians for three big characteristics:
1 When they speak you listen (Clinton, Churchill, Obama, Blair, Boris, Hannan)
2 When they speak to actually want to know what they have to say (Thatcher, Badenoch, Jezza, Salmond, Rory)
3 When they speak your toes curl (Truss, JRM, Abbott, Burgon, T May)
In losing Sturgeon we have lost someone who had a place in the first of those qualities. She has been replaced by someone as listenable to as Gordon Brown. Sadly this makes a full set of national party leaders who all lack all three of the interesting qualities. (SKS, Sunak, the LD bloke, the Welsh leader, SCon, SLab and now SNP.) We are in for a very dull time.
Back on topic (remember that thing Carlotta - something that isn't your anti-trans obsession?) I see these Sunak policies as designed to boost the core Red Wall tory votes.
As Mike points out, the problem is that this will not go down well with the other previously Conservative-voting middle Englanders. I have a close Conservative friend in Surrey who is horrified by this and cannot stand Suella Braverman. Another floating voter friend in west London is disgusted by it.
When in opposition William Hague went out to the right and it didn't do him any good either.
The Conservatives will not return to power until they rediscover the centre ground.
46% of voters in the South of England back the government's boat policy, even more than the 42% who back it nationally.
So in home counties middle England most voters do back it. In London admittedly only 33% back it but London voted mostly Labour even in 2019
South for electoral purposes excludes Greater London and is politically very blue. It’s also leave voting as a region.
So you’d expect support to be higher than the national average. I suspect if you dig further, in remain leaning Tory seats where the Lib Dems are competitive, the numbers would be very different.
But it’s also another example of how silly the generalisation that some mythical northern working class hinterland is the home of Brexit and authoritarianism. It was retired people in the South as much as anyone in the red wall that got Brexit over the line.
Though Leave's strongest vote came in the Midlands and North East. In the South East the Leave vote was actually below the UK average.
Unskilled and low skilled voters under 30 voted Leave mostly but retired graduates over 65 mostly voted Remain
On the good news front, Kevin Mckenzie thinks Lineker and Davie are both finished. Lineker won't have his contract renewed and Davie will go as Lineker says Davie told him he had carte balance over refugees and Climate change. If they both go the left and right will be equally happy
Just to start with it is top and tailed with financial scams.
The interviewer was utterly nasty.
Why do you take pleasure in people losing there jobs?
What was being said might be true, but not sure Lineker will be worried as his contract runs to 2025 so he can carry on giving his views and clearly money isn't an issue.
Finally why on earth are you watching this bile?
All valid questions.
However:
Lineker is being paid with my license fee to do what is essentially a non-job. You do not need somebody to present football highlights (or cricket, Mark Nicholas). A lot of time is wasted in pointless and uninteresting talking that could be used to show some actual action.
So - if they get rid of him, why not? He's done very nicely out of it over the years and if it can be managed better and more cheaply without him, the Beeb should go for it,
They won't of course, they'll appoint somebody else to do the pointless drivel. But they should.
Yep. People do seem to like the analysis which is why they presumably do it and yes it could be done with cheaper people. All valid analysis, but that wasn't the point I was making (as I guess you know from your comment about them being valid points)
My point was why would you post that link. It was appalling. The scam adverts either side tells you everything you need to know about what you are watching.
A valid argument is devalued when you post a link to something nasty supporting your view. I would never link to the Socialist Worker or BNP or something promoting scams supporting something I believed in.
Utter bullshit. If Kelvin had said it on the BBC it would be ok would it..???. but would the BBC invite him to say it..one wonders.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
The ingredients are significantly cheaper, but advertising and marketing consumes a lot of the price differential
There is a basic principle when it comes to brand vs own brand. With branded the manufacturer makes a higher profit margin and is required to spend it marketing the virtues of the brand, with own brand the retailer makes a higher profit margin and invests part of that into promoting the virtues of the retailer.
Retailers dictate the recipe of own brand products and what they are prepared to pay. Which means a much cheaper recipe which may or may not be close enough to the branded more expensive recipe. Because the supermarket controls its own prices it is much better equipped to slash prices (and its own profit margin) if this is a key line where it has to be competitive.
My understanding was the supermarkets aim to make the same absolute margin regardless of whether it is own brand or branded (hence own brand has higher percentage margin for them)
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
A lot of the own brand stuff is made in the same factories, by the same staff, as the branded stuff, albeit to a different recipe.
You'd assume that Asda are using cheaper ingredients, but they're probably also profiteering on the brand loyalty of customers able and willing to pay more for branded products.
I don't eat ketchup because it's fucking disgusting but I know my kids would go ballistic if we bought anything other than Heinz. We had a mini rebellion on our hands just substituting the low sugar and salt version. I'm mostly an own brand kind of guy but there are certain things (weetabix, ketchup and mayonnaise, marmite, nutella) where only the branded version will do.
Absolutely the only branded products I never vary from buying are Heinz Spaghetti and Marmite.
The own brands just don't do it for me.
Everything else - own brand is cheaper and find it tastes no different.
Rice Krispies and weetabix: the krispies are more toasted than own brand and the bix are a bit crunchier.
Lurpak is a bit nicer than the danpak, norpak and other cod-Scandy own brand spreadable butters. But I prefer slabs of real stuff anyway.
In consumer tests the Aldi Danpak often beats Lurpak whilst LIDL Norpak often achieves the same score as Lurpak. The price differential is so marked it could taste like congealed chip fat and I'd give it a go.
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
Just odd that after this shooting someone would choose to post an inaccurate tweet from someone in Malaysia who has praised Hitler, rather than something that might be a bit more reliable.
How’s the squirrel hunt going? Just odd that some choose to minimise or wave away male violence - because that’s what this is about
No it's not and it is pretty disgusting that you choose to smear me that way. It's an appeal in general to wait for the facts, and a question as to why use a far-right troll as a source on such a serious matter?
I apologise if you felt smeared but as you can read above any posts I make on the topic are dismissed as those of an obsessive nutter - I was told repeatedly that the Scottish GRR was irrelevant and nobody cared. How did that work out? That people questioning “affirmative care” were transphobes and worthy only of contempt. However, I was following the science in this child abuse scandal and the US and antipodes are now the outliers as European countries pause for thought. The anti-women activists are the ones resorting to violence as we saw in Auckland - and are practicing it in the U.K. and the US.
I agree it's unfair to call you a nutter just for posting a lot on a subject. And I'm sure you know more about it than I do - I tend to refrain from commenting on trans issues because I just don't know enough.
But there's a history of rightwing US commentry jumping on any shootings before the facts are known to try and blame those they dislike, and especially to try and avoid any suggestions that handing guns out to everyone might not be a great idea.
And of course this shooting is being used by transphobes, and the far-right, so my appeal to be careful still stands.
The issue with the right being involved in questioning trans propaganda and its most insidious aspect in the US - affirmative care - is because the Democrats are full hearted supporters of it. Posie Parker gets criticised for speaking to right wing US foundations - this is why she does:
No, she gets criticised for posting shit like this.
Criticism of hijabs as sexist isn’t allowed? Good to know. More “no discussion”.
Why would seven year-old-girls even be wearing Islamic dress? That usually happens at puberty in Arab countries, they dress in Western clothes until then.
I think it was said she confused the hijab with the dupatta.
Could have been Calvinists. Here's John Calvin himself:
"So if women are thus permitted to have their heads uncovered and to show their hair, they will eventually be allowed to expose their entire breasts, and they will come to make their exhibitions as if it were a tavern show; they will become so brazen that modesty and shame will be no more; in short they will forget the duty of nature…Further, we know that the world takes everything to its own advantage. So, if one has liberty in lesser things, why not do the same with this the same way as with that? And in making such comparisons they will make such a mess that there will be utter chaos. So, when it is permissible for the women to uncover their heads, one will say, ‘Well, what harm in uncovering the stomach also?’ And then after that one will plead for something else; ‘Now if the women go bareheaded, why not also bare this and bare that?’ Then the men, for their part, will break loose too. In short, there will be no decency left, unless people contain themselves and respect what is proper and fitting, so as not to go headlong overboard."
He seems like a man full of the joy of God's love, kindness and compassion.
Calvin is somewhat misunderstood. He was in favour of a harmonious society that comes from good order, hard work and self discipline, where everyone, including girls, is educated and no-one goes hungry.
He was both French, and a lawyer. Which will confuse TSE, if not the rest of us.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
The ingredients are significantly cheaper, but advertising and marketing consumes a lot of the price differential
There is a basic principle when it comes to brand vs own brand. With branded the manufacturer makes a higher profit margin and is required to spend it marketing the virtues of the brand, with own brand the retailer makes a higher profit margin and invests part of that into promoting the virtues of the retailer.
Retailers dictate the recipe of own brand products and what they are prepared to pay. Which means a much cheaper recipe which may or may not be close enough to the branded more expensive recipe. Because the supermarket controls its own prices it is much better equipped to slash prices (and its own profit margin) if this is a key line where it has to be competitive.
Its just difficult to envisage how one product which is very similar to another product can be more than 4 times as expensive without massive profiteering.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
A lot of the own brand stuff is made in the same factories, by the same staff, as the branded stuff, albeit to a different recipe.
You'd assume that Asda are using cheaper ingredients, but they're probably also profiteering on the brand loyalty of customers able and willing to pay more for branded products.
A lot of it isn't even to a different recipe. Tea is the most remarkable, but butter or its substitutes are essentially the same product no matter what the label on the tub.
I vaguely know someone who is a wholesale dealer in butter. According to her butter isn't butter nor are the prices you pay for it, but producers aim for a consistency of taste in their products.
The really fun thing about this Rwanda strategy is that all the disused military bases the government will need for interning the boat people are going to be in Tory constituencies. This will see Tory MPs, hugely supportive of the policy, fighting tooth and nail to prevent it being rolled out on their turf.
On the good news front, Kevin Mckenzie thinks Lineker and Davie are both finished. Lineker won't have his contract renewed and Davie will go as Lineker says Davie told him he had carte balance over refugees and Climate change. If they both go the left and right will be equally happy
Just to start with it is top and tailed with financial scams.
The interviewer was utterly nasty.
Why do you take pleasure in people losing there jobs?
What was being said might be true, but not sure Lineker will be worried as his contract runs to 2025 so he can carry on giving his views and clearly money isn't an issue.
Finally why on earth are you watching this bile?
Their not there. It came up on a Google link. Kelvin calls it as it is. The interviewer clearly has an agenda. I didn't search it out but I would be happy to see Lineker go. People lose their jobs all the time. Not sure you express regret about theirs.
Good response. Didn't understand the last sentence though if you can clarify.
PS I don't need my grammar correcting. I do know the difference between their and there. I'm tapping away on a phone. If you want there (not their) are plenty of other errors in my posts for you to go and correct. And a bit ironic as your posts are often riddled with typos, presumably because you are on a phone. Other than for humour such comments are unnecessary.
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Fund the Home Office to deal with asylum claims quickly and remove people whose claims are not valid. Fund local authorities to monitor and close down black economy operations in their area. Open up more legal pathways for refugees to come here and fund their integration into the economy and our society. Would get my vote.
Costs too much. Sufficient legal resource not available. Large number of claims are valid but not electorally popular over a certain number, unless from HK/Ukraine. Fails to close down boats.
On the good news front, Kevin Mckenzie thinks Lineker and Davie are both finished. Lineker won't have his contract renewed and Davie will go as Lineker says Davie told him he had carte balance over refugees and Climate change. If they both go the left and right will be equally happy
Just to start with it is top and tailed with financial scams.
The interviewer was utterly nasty.
Why do you take pleasure in people losing there jobs?
What was being said might be true, but not sure Lineker will be worried as his contract runs to 2025 so he can carry on giving his views and clearly money isn't an issue.
Finally why on earth are you watching this bile?
All valid questions.
However:
Lineker is being paid with my license fee to do what is essentially a non-job. You do not need somebody to present football highlights (or cricket, Mark Nicholas). A lot of time is wasted in pointless and uninteresting talking that could be used to show some actual action.
So - if they get rid of him, why not? He's done very nicely out of it over the years and if it can be managed better and more cheaply without him, the Beeb should go for it,
They won't of course, they'll appoint somebody else to do the pointless drivel. But they should.
Yep. People do seem to like the analysis which is why they presumably do it and yes it could be done with cheaper people. All valid analysis, but that wasn't the point I was making (as I guess you know from your comment about them being valid points)
My point was why would you post that link. It was appalling. The scam adverts either side tells you everything you need to know about what you are watching.
A valid argument is devalued when you post a link to something nasty supporting your view. I would never link to the Socialist Worker or BNP or something promoting scams supporting something I believed in.
Utter bullshit. If Kelvin had said it on the BBC it would be ok would it..???. but would the BBC invite him to say it..one wonders.
Calm down dear!
When Kelvin McKenzie is promoted as the voice of reason, it might be time for a lie down.
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Fund the Home Office to deal with asylum claims quickly and remove people whose claims are not valid. Fund local authorities to monitor and close down black economy operations in their area. Open up more legal pathways for refugees to come here and fund their integration into the economy and our society. Would get my vote.
Make the employers (who generally are savagely exploiting the victims) of undocumented immigrants liable. As in directors personal property level liable.
Fines of £100K per offence. Give half to the undocumented worker, plus indefinite leave to remain - if they give evidence that leads to convictions.
Do the same for people deliberately paying below minimum wage.
Both will reach 0% a week after the first prosecution.
But that would mean punishing wealthy powerful people, and that would never do.
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Humane and electoral no longer go together with the Tories. They remain terrified of the threat of reFUK who won't stop short of sink the boats. We know the Tories will propose Zero as the asylum cap (because we are "full") and call out anyone who thinks otherwise as "betraying Britain".
So it is attractive if you are the kind of person who wants fortress England, less so if you are humane.
You are assuming that only the Tories want to get elected and stay elected. In the longer run this is mostly a Labour issue. Tories are dead ducks for now anyway.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
The ingredients are significantly cheaper, but advertising and marketing consumes a lot of the price differential
There is a basic principle when it comes to brand vs own brand. With branded the manufacturer makes a higher profit margin and is required to spend it marketing the virtues of the brand, with own brand the retailer makes a higher profit margin and invests part of that into promoting the virtues of the retailer.
Retailers dictate the recipe of own brand products and what they are prepared to pay. Which means a much cheaper recipe which may or may not be close enough to the branded more expensive recipe. Because the supermarket controls its own prices it is much better equipped to slash prices (and its own profit margin) if this is a key line where it has to be competitive.
Its just difficult to envisage how one product which is very similar to another product can be more than 4 times as expensive without massive profiteering.
It isn't. High quality ingredients vs cheap quality. Swap out the more expensive bits for cheaper preservatives. Get the own brand product made abroad by a mass producer (in the Asda Ketchup example its made in Portugal). Have the producer on 15% margin rather than 40% for the brand. Then sell it for 5% margin rather than 35% for the brand.
When you see the Aldi price match stuff in a big supermarket they're usually selling it for a loss.
The really fun thing about this Rwanda strategy is that all the disused military bases the government will need for interning the boat people are going to be in Tory constituencies. This will see Tory MPs, hugely supportive of the policy, fighting tooth and nail to prevent it being rolled out on their turf.
Second only to the spiteful inhumanity of this policy is the sheer stupidity of it.
James Cleverly, foreign secretary, and MP, for Braintree is opposed to the use of Wetherfield, once a U.S.-base in his constituency as an internment camp.
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
You really are stark raving bonkers.
A total obsessive on this topic. Endlessly posting about it. Endlessly trawling the internet for the faintest inkling of a link to your sheer obsession.
Another one waving away the shooting of 3 9 year olds and 3 staff….
America. They vote to protect the rights of guns more than they do to protect the rights of their children. Any other country would have one such tragedy, recoil in horror, and clamp down on guns so hard hat it couldn't happen again. Not America.
I have long concluded that they are happy with their children being murdered as they keep voting for it. Its appalling, but its their choice,
The Jon Stewart interview of that senator that was linked to a week or so ago now was so telling about that. Being shot is now the largest single cause of death of American children, more than transport or any disease. Its astonishing and depressing.
We had one school shooting in the UK and the whole country said never again.
America, and it’s meh. Kids dying for Second Amendment rights is the price we pay for freedom.
On the good news front, Kevin Mckenzie thinks Lineker and Davie are both finished. Lineker won't have his contract renewed and Davie will go as Lineker says Davie told him he had carte balance over refugees and Climate change. If they both go the left and right will be equally happy
Just to start with it is top and tailed with financial scams.
The interviewer was utterly nasty.
Why do you take pleasure in people losing there jobs?
What was being said might be true, but not sure Lineker will be worried as his contract runs to 2025 so he can carry on giving his views and clearly money isn't an issue.
Finally why on earth are you watching this bile?
All valid questions.
However:
Lineker is being paid with my license fee to do what is essentially a non-job. You do not need somebody to present football highlights (or cricket, Mark Nicholas). A lot of time is wasted in pointless and uninteresting talking that could be used to show some actual action.
So - if they get rid of him, why not? He's done very nicely out of it over the years and if it can be managed better and more cheaply without him, the Beeb should go for it,
They won't of course, they'll appoint somebody else to do the pointless drivel. But they should.
Yep. People do seem to like the analysis which is why they presumably do it and yes it could be done with cheaper people. All valid analysis, but that wasn't the point I was making (as I guess you know from your comment about them being valid points)
My point was why would you post that link. It was appalling. The scam adverts either side tells you everything you need to know about what you are watching.
A valid argument is devalued when you post a link to something nasty supporting your view. I would never link to the Socialist Worker or BNP or something promoting scams supporting something I believed in.
Utter bullshit. If Kelvin had said it on the BBC it would be ok would it..???. but would the BBC invite him to say it..one wonders.
Yep if he had said it on BBC or ITV I would have been happy with it. I have no interest in censorship.
It was the link you posted not what KM said. It is all in the context. Not least it was a link to something promoting financial scams.
The really fun thing about this Rwanda strategy is that all the disused military bases the government will need for interning the boat people are going to be in Tory constituencies. This will see Tory MPs, hugely supportive of the policy, fighting tooth and nail to prevent it being rolled out on their turf.
Second only to the spiteful inhumanity of this policy is the sheer stupidity of it.
James Cleverly, foreign secretary, and MP, for Braintree is opposed to the use of Wetherfield, once a U.S.-base in his constituency as an internment camp.
The fact that his name includes the word "clever" and the name of his constituency includes the word "brain" is surely evidence that we are living in a simulation created for the purposes of satire.
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
You really are stark raving bonkers.
A total obsessive on this topic. Endlessly posting about it. Endlessly trawling the internet for the faintest inkling of a link to your sheer obsession.
Says the person who only ever posts long screeds about how the Tories are going to be mullered at the next election…
Well at least that is more on-topic than Ldroning on about c**** in frocks all day long.
A bit repetitive thought:
Can’t she just number her posts
Heathner makes post #3 or “good morning. post #1 please”
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Fund the Home Office to deal with asylum claims quickly and remove people whose claims are not valid. Fund local authorities to monitor and close down black economy operations in their area. Open up more legal pathways for refugees to come here and fund their integration into the economy and our society. Would get my vote.
It's the bureaucractic hurdles to removing people that are the problem and the main one is not within the UK's control: i.e. having a travel document or passport to remove someone to a safe country or their country of origin on. The small boats people arrive without documents, so redocumenting them takes forever even if the country will accept them person back and you have a returns agreement. The UK wouldn't accept back someone who claims to be British without documentary evidence, so why would Iran, Syria or South Sudan, India or Afghanistan? So in reality the small boats will keep coming because they know the realistic prospect of removal if their claim is unsuccessful is unlikely because of the bureaucracy even if you do decide a claim more quickly. This is why the policy will fail.
The really fun thing about this Rwanda strategy is that all the disused military bases the government will need for interning the boat people are going to be in Tory constituencies. This will see Tory MPs, hugely supportive of the policy, fighting tooth and nail to prevent it being rolled out on their turf.
The bit of the crayon policy they want focus on is Send the Forrin to Rwanda Ha Ha. Not that they first need to be caught and interned somewhere. Not that we don't have any resources to round them up or the camps to put them in. Not that we abandoned our Afghan allies and are now lying about how we haven't.
Just the deport the scrounger bit. That Labour (deffo not the Tory government) want to build a camp in Nice-on-Sea isn't the policy, no no, so we can definitely shriek on about rounding up and deporting them whilst campaigning against the rounding up bit.
Can't we intern them abroad before we deport them to Rwanda?
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Fund the Home Office to deal with asylum claims quickly and remove people whose claims are not valid. Fund local authorities to monitor and close down black economy operations in their area. Open up more legal pathways for refugees to come here and fund their integration into the economy and our society. Would get my vote.
Make the employers (who generally are savagely exploiting the victims) of undocumented immigrants liable. As in directors personal property level liable.
Fines of £100K per offence. Give half to the undocumented worker, plus indefinite leave to remain - if they give evidence that leads to convictions.
Do the same for people deliberately paying below minimum wage.
Both will reach 0% a week after the first prosecution.
But that would mean punishing wealthy powerful people, and that would never do.
It would probably also mean punishing people on pb.com, who are using cleaners or builders or gardeners or childminders whose immigration status they have not closely examined.
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Humane and electoral no longer go together with the Tories. They remain terrified of the threat of reFUK who won't stop short of sink the boats. We know the Tories will propose Zero as the asylum cap (because we are "full") and call out anyone who thinks otherwise as "betraying Britain".
So it is attractive if you are the kind of person who wants fortress England, less so if you are humane.
You are assuming that only the Tories want to get elected and stay elected. In the longer run this is mostly a Labour issue. Tories are dead ducks for now anyway.
From what I have seen Labour have proposed something which stands a chance of working. The Tories have not.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
The ingredients are significantly cheaper, but advertising and marketing consumes a lot of the price differential
There is a basic principle when it comes to brand vs own brand. With branded the manufacturer makes a higher profit margin and is required to spend it marketing the virtues of the brand, with own brand the retailer makes a higher profit margin and invests part of that into promoting the virtues of the retailer.
Retailers dictate the recipe of own brand products and what they are prepared to pay. Which means a much cheaper recipe which may or may not be close enough to the branded more expensive recipe. Because the supermarket controls its own prices it is much better equipped to slash prices (and its own profit margin) if this is a key line where it has to be competitive.
Its just difficult to envisage how one product which is very similar to another product can be more than 4 times as expensive without massive profiteering.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
A lot of the own brand stuff is made in the same factories, by the same staff, as the branded stuff, albeit to a different recipe.
You'd assume that Asda are using cheaper ingredients, but they're probably also profiteering on the brand loyalty of customers able and willing to pay more for branded products.
I don't eat ketchup because it's fucking disgusting but I know my kids would go ballistic if we bought anything other than Heinz. We had a mini rebellion on our hands just substituting the low sugar and salt version. I'm mostly an own brand kind of guy but there are certain things (weetabix, ketchup and mayonnaise, marmite, nutella) where only the branded version will do.
The low sugar and salt version tastes worse by more than the non-branded version does.
Doesn't matter on what happens with the boats, this is what the voters will remember.
Food prices inflation up to new high
Food prices inflation has risen by 15 per cent in a year, causing prices in Britain’s shops to climb faster than ever before.
Average shop prices are now 8.9 per cent higher than they were at this time a year ago, the highest rate of annual inflation that the British Retail Consortium, which collects the data, has recorded. It marks an acceleration from the 8.4 per cent noted in February.
One thing I have noticed in the consumer confidence data is that there has been a decent recovery in confidence among those on >£50k but none among everyone else. I think stuff like this has a lot to do with that. Until we see confidence improving among middle income earners I would be wary of expecting a major Tory recovery, however nasty they are to kids fleeing war zones.
The mix of inflation is striking as well. Life's essentials (housing / energy / food) are going up a lot, but discretionary spending is mostly getting cheaper in real terms;
Presumably that's why the comfortably off are quite chipper.
What seems to be going up most in supermarkets are branded items.
In Asda at the moment a 910g bottle of Heinz tomato sauce is £4, whereas a 970g of Asda tomato sauce is £1.10. Therefore for what is basically the same product, Heinz s more than 4 times the cost. How do Asda manage to make tomato sauce so much cheaper than Heinz, or is there just some extreme profiteering going on with Heinz?
The ingredients are significantly cheaper, but advertising and marketing consumes a lot of the price differential
There is a basic principle when it comes to brand vs own brand. With branded the manufacturer makes a higher profit margin and is required to spend it marketing the virtues of the brand, with own brand the retailer makes a higher profit margin and invests part of that into promoting the virtues of the retailer.
Retailers dictate the recipe of own brand products and what they are prepared to pay. Which means a much cheaper recipe which may or may not be close enough to the branded more expensive recipe. Because the supermarket controls its own prices it is much better equipped to slash prices (and its own profit margin) if this is a key line where it has to be competitive.
Its just difficult to envisage how one product which is very similar to another product can be more than 4 times as expensive without massive profiteering.
It isn't. High quality ingredients vs cheap quality. Swap out the more expensive bits for cheaper preservatives. Get the own brand product made abroad by a mass producer (in the Asda Ketchup example its made in Portugal). Have the producer on 15% margin rather than 40% for the brand. Then sell it for 5% margin rather than 35% for the brand.
When you see the Aldi price match stuff in a big supermarket they're usually selling it for a loss.
4 times the cost for a basic product like tomato sauce is madness. I really have no idea why anyone would buy the Heinz product but it says a lot about the real state of the economy that Asda shoppers buy enough Heinz Tomato Sauce to warrant the price that is being charged.
Quite by accident the USA is avoiding the demographic crises facing the rest of the West and much of Eurasia.
Life expectancy is falling, reducing the burden on the pension system. Immigration remains dynamic and significant, providing regular new working age blood into the economy. And fertility rates, while low, remain above those in many other countries including of course China.
Today, a mass shooter murdered three children and three adults at a Christian school in Nashville, TN.
The murderer (pronouns: was/were) was transgender and had written a manifesto detailing their intentions, which come days after Tennessee passed child protection laws intended to curb children from being subjected to trans surgeries and other irreversible procedures.
Their heinous actions follow months of media-driven rhetoric about a “trans genocide,” and calls for a so-called “Day of Trans Retribution” in the United States.
It’s conceivable that much of the conservative public, derided as “cis” is now open season for gender extremists who’ve been terrorizing women who dare to speak out against the woke ideology.
When they tell you what they intend to do, believe them.
Because I'd never heard of it I just googled 'Day of Trans Retribution' and I got literally 1 hit which is the tweet you posted. Probably wise to wait until the facts come out from a reputable source.
Do a Twitter search for “Trans Day of Vengeance”
You really are stark raving bonkers.
A total obsessive on this topic. Endlessly posting about it. Endlessly trawling the internet for the faintest inkling of a link to your sheer obsession.
Another one waving away the shooting of 3 9 year olds and 3 staff….
America. They vote to protect the rights of guns more than they do to protect the rights of their children. Any other country would have one such tragedy, recoil in horror, and clamp down on guns so hard hat it couldn't happen again. Not America.
I have long concluded that they are happy with their children being murdered as they keep voting for it. Its appalling, but its their choice,
The Jon Stewart interview of that senator that was linked to a week or so ago now was so telling about that. Being shot is now the largest single cause of death of American children, more than transport or any disease. Its astonishing and depressing.
We had one school shooting in the UK and the whole country said never again.
America, and it’s meh. Kids dying for Second Amendment rights is the price we pay for freedom.
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Fund the Home Office to deal with asylum claims quickly and remove people whose claims are not valid. Fund local authorities to monitor and close down black economy operations in their area. Open up more legal pathways for refugees to come here and fund their integration into the economy and our society. Would get my vote.
This all boils down to "get many more refugees". Whilst that might get your vote, I'm not sure that's true of the country as a whole.
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Fund the Home Office to deal with asylum claims quickly and remove people whose claims are not valid. Fund local authorities to monitor and close down black economy operations in their area. Open up more legal pathways for refugees to come here and fund their integration into the economy and our society. Would get my vote.
Costs too much. Sufficient legal resource not available. Large number of claims are valid but not electorally popular over a certain number, unless from HK/Ukraine. Fails to close down boats.
otherwise, fine.
The government policy isn't cheap either. We live in a dangerous and complicated world, dealing with that isn't cheap.
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Fund the Home Office to deal with asylum claims quickly and remove people whose claims are not valid. Fund local authorities to monitor and close down black economy operations in their area. Open up more legal pathways for refugees to come here and fund their integration into the economy and our society. Would get my vote.
Make the employers (who generally are savagely exploiting the victims) of undocumented immigrants liable. As in directors personal property level liable.
Fines of £100K per offence. Give half to the undocumented worker, plus indefinite leave to remain - if they give evidence that leads to convictions.
Do the same for people deliberately paying below minimum wage.
Both will reach 0% a week after the first prosecution.
But that would mean punishing wealthy powerful people, and that would never do.
It’s not the people that you think are doing it, who are doing it.
If an ethnic group is having its members abused within a society, the abusers are often from that group.
A particular favourite is bringing people in who don’t speak the host language (English in this case) since they are easier to control.
Remember the Chinese cockle pickers who died on that beach? Interest collapsed when it was revealed that the people controlling them were Chinese.
During COVID, conditions in some of factories around Leicester were revealed - someone actually said “If we forced them to pay minimum wage, they would close.”
Try this for fun - merry your MP and propose it. The reaction will be of interest.
The really fun thing about this Rwanda strategy is that all the disused military bases the government will need for interning the boat people are going to be in Tory constituencies. This will see Tory MPs, hugely supportive of the policy, fighting tooth and nail to prevent it being rolled out on their turf.
Second only to the spiteful inhumanity of this policy is the sheer stupidity of it.
James Cleverly, foreign secretary, and MP, for Braintree is opposed to the use of Wetherfield, once a U.S.-base in his constituency as an internment camp.
The fact that his name includes the word "clever" and the name of his constituency includes the word "brain" is surely evidence that we are living in a simulation created for the purposes of satire.
The last Tory manifesto did refer to 'essential planks'.
On the good news front, Kevin Mckenzie thinks Lineker and Davie are both finished. Lineker won't have his contract renewed and Davie will go as Lineker says Davie told him he had carte balance over refugees and Climate change. If they both go the left and right will be equally happy
Just to start with it is top and tailed with financial scams.
The interviewer was utterly nasty.
Why do you take pleasure in people losing there jobs?
What was being said might be true, but not sure Lineker will be worried as his contract runs to 2025 so he can carry on giving his views and clearly money isn't an issue.
Finally why on earth are you watching this bile?
All valid questions.
However:
Lineker is being paid with my license fee to do what is essentially a non-job. You do not need somebody to present football highlights (or cricket, Mark Nicholas). A lot of time is wasted in pointless and uninteresting talking that could be used to show some actual action.
So - if they get rid of him, why not? He's done very nicely out of it over the years and if it can be managed better and more cheaply without him, the Beeb should go for it,
They won't of course, they'll appoint somebody else to do the pointless drivel. But they should.
It has to be padded becaause the BBC has only bought the rights to show 6(?) minutes per match. Cheaper to pay Lineker £2m than pay £20m for more actual footbal.
The BBC'sfootball offering is seriously compromised.
Going back to the SNP show yesterday, there is one outcome that may be significant.
Public/MSM attention goes to party leaders/politicians for three big characteristics:
1 When they speak you listen (Clinton, Churchill, Obama, Blair, Boris, Hannan)
2 When they speak to actually want to know what they have to say (Thatcher, Badenoch, Jezza, Salmond, Rory)
3 When they speak your toes curl (Truss, JRM, Abbott, Burgon, T May)
In losing Sturgeon we have lost someone who had a place in the first of those qualities. She has been replaced by someone as listenable to as Gordon Brown. Sadly this makes a full set of national party leaders who all lack all three of the interesting qualities. (SKS, Sunak, the LD bloke, the Welsh leader, SCon, SLab and now SNP.) We are in for a very dull time.
There are some quite random examples you have given per grouping. I wouldn't particularly want to listen to anything Johnson or Hannan had to say. Group 2 I'll allow you Thatcher, but what a dreary bunch the rest are. Group 3, I'm with you all the way except for May, she is a political titan compared to JRM or Burgon. You can replace her here with Corbyn or RLB if you want.
Interesting how strongly correlated the leave/con % is.
This policy is the tories greatest hits brexit tour. Shoring up the core vote.
They’re out of ideas and terrified of their right flank splintering.
I think it’s futile and destructive. Is anyone really convinced this good immigrant / bad immigrant binary will outlast Sunak?
It’s only a matter of time before the nativist right coalesce behind someone calling for an all out ban on immigration, imo.
The Sunak/Braverman/Badeonch’s are playing with fire and are very likely to get burnt. They get churned up and spat out and either give up, like Javid, or turn on the party, like Warsi.
Going big on the small boats is just encouraging the bastards.
It certainly is. The archetypal Tory. Everyone of them on PB 'liking' Casino's post. They shame this country. THE NASTY PARTY IS BACK!
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Fund the Home Office to deal with asylum claims quickly and remove people whose claims are not valid. Fund local authorities to monitor and close down black economy operations in their area. Open up more legal pathways for refugees to come here and fund their integration into the economy and our society. Would get my vote.
Make the employers (who generally are savagely exploiting the victims) of undocumented immigrants liable. As in directors personal property level liable.
Fines of £100K per offence. Give half to the undocumented worker, plus indefinite leave to remain - if they give evidence that leads to convictions.
Do the same for people deliberately paying below minimum wage.
Both will reach 0% a week after the first prosecution.
But that would mean punishing wealthy powerful people, and that would never do.
It’s not the people that you think are doing it, who are doing it.
If an ethnic group is having its members abused within a society, the abusers are often from that group.
A particular favourite is bringing people in who don’t speak the host language (English in this case) since they are easier to control.
Remember the Chinese cockle pickers who died on that beach? Interest collapsed when it was revealed that the people controlling them were Chinese.
During COVID, conditions in some of factories around Leicester were revealed - someone actually said “If we forced them to pay minimum wage, they would close.”
Try this for fun - merry your MP and propose it. The reaction will be of interest.
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Fund the Home Office to deal with asylum claims quickly and remove people whose claims are not valid. Fund local authorities to monitor and close down black economy operations in their area. Open up more legal pathways for refugees to come here and fund their integration into the economy and our society. Would get my vote.
Costs too much. Sufficient legal resource not available. Large number of claims are valid but not electorally popular over a certain number, unless from HK/Ukraine. Fails to close down boats.
otherwise, fine.
The government policy isn't cheap either. We live in a dangerous and complicated world, dealing with that isn't cheap.
All true, illustrating the insoluble nature of the problem. The answer has to be humane, lawful and electorally possible. It is actually hard even to target one of the three, let alone two. or three.
On the good news front, Kevin Mckenzie thinks Lineker and Davie are both finished. Lineker won't have his contract renewed and Davie will go as Lineker says Davie told him he had carte balance over refugees and Climate change. If they both go the left and right will be equally happy
Just to start with it is top and tailed with financial scams.
The interviewer was utterly nasty.
Why do you take pleasure in people losing there jobs?
What was being said might be true, but not sure Lineker will be worried as his contract runs to 2025 so he can carry on giving his views and clearly money isn't an issue.
Finally why on earth are you watching this bile?
All valid questions.
However:
Lineker is being paid with my license fee to do what is essentially a non-job. You do not need somebody to present football highlights (or cricket, Mark Nicholas). A lot of time is wasted in pointless and uninteresting talking that could be used to show some actual action.
So - if they get rid of him, why not? He's done very nicely out of it over the years and if it can be managed better and more cheaply without him, the Beeb should go for it,
They won't of course, they'll appoint somebody else to do the pointless drivel. But they should.
It has to be padded becaause the BBC has only bought the rights to show 6(?) minutes per match. Cheaper to pay Lineker £2m than pay £20m for more actual footbal.
The BBC'sfootball offering is seriously compromised.
We ran the numbers on this a few weeks ago. BBC pays £70.5m per year to the Premier League, so MOTD is by far the most expensive programme they produce even before Lineker’s salary.
For comparison, their highest rated show Eastenders costs around £20m per year, and is on three times a week every week.
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Fund the Home Office to deal with asylum claims quickly and remove people whose claims are not valid. Fund local authorities to monitor and close down black economy operations in their area. Open up more legal pathways for refugees to come here and fund their integration into the economy and our society. Would get my vote.
Costs too much. Sufficient legal resource not available. Large number of claims are valid but not electorally popular over a certain number, unless from HK/Ukraine. Fails to close down boats.
otherwise, fine.
My suggestion.
(a) Decide what fraction F of GDP you wish to spend on assisting migrants/refugees/asylum seekers. This gives a budget £Y
(b) Estimate how much it costs to provide emotional support, language assistance, housing, education etc for a refugee/migrant. Let us say on average it is £X . Compute Y/X to give a number . That is the number of refugees/migrants the Government can reasonably support each year. That is all the Government should admit (so withdraw from international conventions).
(c) Any other migrant who wishes to settle needs to find a supporter who is willing to put up £X. So, the supporter could be an individual, a community group, a church, whatever. In this way, individuals or groups of individuals can also take personal responsibility, if they feel so inclined.
(d) People who arrive on boats have to wait until either the Government supports them (via b) or an individual supports them (via c).
(e) The fraction F is open to debate at election time and parties can put forward their manifestos on how large or small F should be.
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Fund the Home Office to deal with asylum claims quickly and remove people whose claims are not valid. Fund local authorities to monitor and close down black economy operations in their area. Open up more legal pathways for refugees to come here and fund their integration into the economy and our society. Would get my vote.
Make the employers (who generally are savagely exploiting the victims) of undocumented immigrants liable. As in directors personal property level liable.
Fines of £100K per offence. Give half to the undocumented worker, plus indefinite leave to remain - if they give evidence that leads to convictions.
Do the same for people deliberately paying below minimum wage.
Both will reach 0% a week after the first prosecution.
But that would mean punishing wealthy powerful people, and that would never do.
It’s not the people that you think are doing it, who are doing it.
If an ethnic group is having its members abused within a society, the abusers are often from that group.
A particular favourite is bringing people in who don’t speak the host language (English in this case) since they are easier to control.
Remember the Chinese cockle pickers who died on that beach? Interest collapsed when it was revealed that the people controlling them were Chinese.
During COVID, conditions in some of factories around Leicester were revealed - someone actually said “If we forced them to pay minimum wage, they would close.”
Try this for fun - merry your MP and propose it. The reaction will be of interest.
'merry your MP' ?!?
Given that my MP is Andrew Rosindell, I'd rather not.
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Fund the Home Office to deal with asylum claims quickly and remove people whose claims are not valid. Fund local authorities to monitor and close down black economy operations in their area. Open up more legal pathways for refugees to come here and fund their integration into the economy and our society. Would get my vote.
This all boils down to "get many more refugees". Whilst that might get your vote, I'm not sure that's true of the country as a whole.
Not necessarily. Some of the people arriving by boat would opt for a safer legal route if it were available. An asylum system that actually worked would be a deterrent for some with a dodgy claim. But if it means slightly higher numbers but a much bigger share of valid claims then I'd be okay with that. We've got labour shortage and refugees are often highly motivated and able people. A lot of people have views similar to mine, put probably not many are potential Tory voters.
Going back to the SNP show yesterday, there is one outcome that may be significant.
Public/MSM attention goes to party leaders/politicians for three big characteristics:
1 When they speak you listen (Clinton, Churchill, Obama, Blair, Boris, Hannan)
2 When they speak to actually want to know what they have to say (Thatcher, Badenoch, Jezza, Salmond, Rory)
3 When they speak your toes curl (Truss, JRM, Abbott, Burgon, T May)
In losing Sturgeon we have lost someone who had a place in the first of those qualities. She has been replaced by someone as listenable to as Gordon Brown. Sadly this makes a full set of national party leaders who all lack all three of the interesting qualities. (SKS, Sunak, the LD bloke, the Welsh leader, SCon, SLab and now SNP.) We are in for a very dull time.
There are some quite random examples you have given per grouping. I wouldn't particularly want to listen to anything Johnson or Hannan had to say. Group 2 I'll allow you Thatcher, but what a dreary bunch the rest are. Group 3, I'm with you all the way except for May, she is a political titan compared to JRM or Burgon. You can replace her here with Corbyn or RLB if you want.
Groups one and two need to be carefully distinguished. They are very different. Boris, for example, has nothing worthwhile to say, but people listen when he speaks.
On the good news front, Kevin Mckenzie thinks Lineker and Davie are both finished. Lineker won't have his contract renewed and Davie will go as Lineker says Davie told him he had carte balance over refugees and Climate change. If they both go the left and right will be equally happy
Just to start with it is top and tailed with financial scams.
The interviewer was utterly nasty.
Why do you take pleasure in people losing there jobs?
What was being said might be true, but not sure Lineker will be worried as his contract runs to 2025 so he can carry on giving his views and clearly money isn't an issue.
Finally why on earth are you watching this bile?
All valid questions.
However:
Lineker is being paid with my license fee to do what is essentially a non-job. You do not need somebody to present football highlights (or cricket, Mark Nicholas). A lot of time is wasted in pointless and uninteresting talking that could be used to show some actual action.
So - if they get rid of him, why not? He's done very nicely out of it over the years and if it can be managed better and more cheaply without him, the Beeb should go for it,
They won't of course, they'll appoint somebody else to do the pointless drivel. But they should.
It has to be padded becaause the BBC has only bought the rights to show 6(?) minutes per match. Cheaper to pay Lineker £2m than pay £20m for more actual footbal.
The BBC'sfootball offering is seriously compromised.
We ran the numbers on this a few weeks ago. BBC pays £70.5m per year to the Premier League, so MOTD is by far the most expensive programme they produce even before Lineker’s salary.
For comparison, their highest rated show Eastenders costs around £20m per year, and is on three times a week every week.
Be interesting to see details of all those programmes the BBC says it can't afford to produce - but could with an extra £75m in the budget.
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Fund the Home Office to deal with asylum claims quickly and remove people whose claims are not valid. Fund local authorities to monitor and close down black economy operations in their area. Open up more legal pathways for refugees to come here and fund their integration into the economy and our society. Would get my vote.
Costs too much. Sufficient legal resource not available. Large number of claims are valid but not electorally popular over a certain number, unless from HK/Ukraine. Fails to close down boats.
otherwise, fine.
My suggestion.
(a) Decide what fraction F of GDP you wish to spend on assisting migrants/refugees/asylum seekers. This gives a budget £Y
(b) Estimate how much it costs to provide emotional support, language assistance, housing, education etc for a refugee/migrant. Let us say on average it is £X . Compute Y/X to give a number . That is the number of refugees/migrants the Government can reasonably support each year. That is all the Government should admit (so withdraw from international conventions).
(c) Any other migrant who wishes to settle needs to find a supporter who is willing to put up £X. So, the supporter could be an individual, a community group, a church, whatever. In this way, individuals or groups of individuals can also take personal responsibility, if they feel so inclined.
(d) People who arrive on boats have to wait until either the Government supports them (via b) or an individual supports them (via c).
(e) The fraction F is open to debate at election time and parties can put forward their manifestos on how large or small F should be.
(c) already exists, it's called community sponsorship. I am a member of a group sponsoring a family who arrived this month.
Re the article - the figures are pretty much as I would expect. The deeper problem is this: The Small Boats politics is very much a UK wide DUP style problem.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Fund the Home Office to deal with asylum claims quickly and remove people whose claims are not valid. Fund local authorities to monitor and close down black economy operations in their area. Open up more legal pathways for refugees to come here and fund their integration into the economy and our society. Would get my vote.
Costs too much. Sufficient legal resource not available. Large number of claims are valid but not electorally popular over a certain number, unless from HK/Ukraine. Fails to close down boats.
otherwise, fine.
The government policy isn't cheap either. We live in a dangerous and complicated world, dealing with that isn't cheap.
All true, illustrating the insoluble nature of the problem. The answer has to be humane, lawful and electorally possible. It is actually hard even to target one of the three, let alone two. or three.
The problem is easier to fix for Labour who have a coalition of voters who mostly want humane and lawful. It is very hard for the Tories given where their voters are on this issue.
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Talking of Jon Stewart this was his contribution to the "you're making Trump a martyr" line:
Stewart: We either have the rule of law, or we have no rule of law. The rule of law does not take into account if that might make you a martyr to somebody.
I was trying to think of a UK equivalent to Stewart in our media but I fear that is the price we pay for demanding impartiality from our presenters.
Massive support for people living in camps. Specific protection and asylum for the most vulnerable, provided from the camps. Little tolerance for people who paid criminals to enter the country illegally
However:
Lineker is being paid with my license fee to do what is essentially a non-job. You do not need somebody to present football highlights (or cricket, Mark Nicholas). A lot of time is wasted in pointless and uninteresting talking that could be used to show some actual action.
So - if they get rid of him, why not? He's done very nicely out of it over the years and if it can be managed better and more cheaply without him, the Beeb should go for it,
They won't of course, they'll appoint somebody else to do the pointless drivel. But they should.
You'd assume that Asda are using cheaper ingredients, but they're probably also profiteering on the brand loyalty of customers able and willing to pay more for branded products.
Total so far 43, of which 30 are Conservative (including Hancock), 12 Labour, 1 Plaid. Plus 3 Con and 3 Lab not reselected for their current seat or its successor so far.
Can’t she just number her posts
Heathner makes post #3 or “good morning. post #1 please”
So in home counties middle England most voters do back it. In London admittedly only 33% back it but London voted mostly Labour even in 2019
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/survey-results/daily/2023/03/27/5d316/1
There are counties whose populations have fallen dramatically (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria)
There are countries whose populations are broadly static or slightly falling (Germany, Italy, Hungary, Scotland, Wales, Greece).
There are countries whose populations are rising (England, France, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, Spain, Switzerland).
It is the latter group of countries that are taking refugees/migrants, as population is primarily increasing in Europe by migration.
One of the things that the EU could & should have done is replace the Dublin Convention by an agreement that migrants are shared out between the member states.
What is interesting is that the countries whose populations are rising are not primarily the entry points to Europe (only Spain is). Remarkably, despite all the bleating by Italian politicians about boats of migrants, the population of Italy has declined since 2012.
Also, it seems to me that the countries of North West Europe, by and large, are certainly doing more than their fair share -- especially as they are furthest away from the entry points.
The own brands just don't do it for me.
Everything else - own brand is cheaper and find it tastes no different.
Edit - I suppose you could add single malt whisky to that list, but I don't buy that very often. Maybe every three months.
So you’d expect support to be higher than the national average. I suspect if you dig further, in remain leaning Tory seats where the Lib Dems are competitive, the numbers would be very different.
But it’s also another example of how silly the generalisation that some mythical northern working class hinterland is the home of Brexit and authoritarianism. It was retired people in the South as much as anyone in the red wall that got Brexit over the line.
Retailers dictate the recipe of own brand products and what they are prepared to pay. Which means a much cheaper recipe which may or may not be close enough to the branded more expensive recipe. Because the supermarket controls its own prices it is much better equipped to slash prices (and its own profit margin) if this is a key line where it has to be competitive.
Two things are reasonably clear. One, there is a problem and secondly everyone can tell you what they don't want.
Mr Smithson says:
Sunak and those who advise him have got this wrong.
And I agree.
But the real question is: What policy would be right in humane, legal and electoral terms?
Lurpak is a bit nicer than the danpak, norpak and other cod-Scandy own brand spreadable butters. But I prefer slabs of real stuff anyway.
I didn't search it out but I would be happy to see Lineker go. People lose their jobs all the time. Not sure you express regret about theirs.
Oats are not the same as oats. Same with tea or yellow fats.
My point was why would you post that link. It was appalling. The scam adverts either side tells you everything you need to know about what you are watching.
A valid argument is devalued when you post a link to something nasty supporting your view. I would never link to the Socialist Worker or BNP or something promoting scams supporting something I believed in.
Fund local authorities to monitor and close down black economy operations in their area.
Open up more legal pathways for refugees to come here and fund their integration into the economy and our society.
Would get my vote.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/05/republican-thomas-massie-condemned-for-christmas-guns-photo-congressman-michigan-school-shooting
On the Clyde.
They'll soon be asking for free passage home.
Fines of £100K per offence. Give half to the undocumented worker, plus indefinite leave to remain - if they give evidence that leads to convictions.
Do the same for people deliberately paying below minimum wage.
Both will reach 0% a week after the first prosecution.
So it is attractive if you are the kind of person who wants fortress England, less so if you are humane.
Public/MSM attention goes to party leaders/politicians for three big characteristics:
1 When they speak you listen (Clinton, Churchill, Obama, Blair, Boris, Hannan)
2 When they speak to actually want to know what they have to say (Thatcher, Badenoch, Jezza, Salmond, Rory)
3 When they speak your toes curl (Truss, JRM, Abbott, Burgon, T May)
In losing Sturgeon we have lost someone who had a place in the first of those qualities. She has been replaced by someone as listenable to as Gordon Brown. Sadly this makes a full set of national party leaders who all lack all three of the interesting qualities. (SKS, Sunak, the LD bloke, the Welsh leader, SCon, SLab and now SNP.) We are in for a very dull time.
Unskilled and low skilled voters under 30 voted Leave mostly but retired graduates over 65 mostly voted Remain
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-65023922
PS I don't need my grammar correcting. I do know the difference between their and there. I'm tapping away on a phone. If you want there (not their) are plenty of other errors in my posts for you to go and correct. And a bit ironic as your posts are often riddled with typos, presumably because you are on a phone. Other than for humour such comments are unnecessary.
otherwise, fine.
When Kelvin McKenzie is promoted as the voice of reason, it might be time for a lie down.
When you see the Aldi price match stuff in a big supermarket they're usually selling it for a loss.
US life expectancy is falling well behind Europe"
https://unherd.com/thepost/why-are-americans-dying-so-young/
It was the link you posted not what KM said. It is all in the context. Not least it was a link to something promoting financial scams.
Just the deport the scrounger bit. That Labour (deffo not the Tory government) want to build a camp in Nice-on-Sea isn't the policy, no no, so we can definitely shriek on about rounding up and deporting them whilst campaigning against the rounding up bit.
Can't we intern them abroad before we deport them to Rwanda?
Life expectancy is falling, reducing the burden on the pension system. Immigration remains dynamic and significant, providing regular new working age blood into the economy. And fertility rates, while low, remain above those in many other countries including of course China.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11908439/amp/Tennessee-congressman-faces-backlash-posing-rifle-2021-holiday-card.html
Difficult to keep track, as posing with family and automatic weapons for your Christmas message is the new orthodoxy.
If an ethnic group is having its members abused within a society, the abusers are often from that group.
A particular favourite is bringing people in who don’t speak the host language (English in this case) since they are easier to control.
Remember the Chinese cockle pickers who died on that beach? Interest collapsed when it was revealed that the people controlling them were Chinese.
During COVID, conditions in some of factories around Leicester were revealed - someone actually said “If we forced them to pay minimum wage, they would close.”
Try this for fun - merry your MP and propose it. The reaction will be of interest.
The BBC'sfootball offering is seriously compromised.
For comparison, their highest rated show Eastenders costs around £20m per year, and is on three times a week every week.
(a) Decide what fraction F of GDP you wish to spend on assisting migrants/refugees/asylum seekers. This gives a budget £Y
(b) Estimate how much it costs to provide emotional support, language assistance, housing, education etc for a refugee/migrant. Let us say on average it is £X . Compute Y/X to give a number . That is the number of refugees/migrants the Government can reasonably support each year. That is all the Government should admit (so withdraw from international conventions).
(c) Any other migrant who wishes to settle needs to find a supporter who is willing to put up £X. So, the supporter could be an individual, a community group, a church, whatever. In this way, individuals or groups of individuals can also take personal responsibility, if they feel so inclined.
(d) People who arrive on boats have to wait until either the Government supports them (via b) or an individual supports them (via c).
(e) The fraction F is open to debate at election time and parties can put forward their manifestos on how large or small F should be.