Tory MP`s are at risk of throwing their toys out of the pram and just when the polls seemed to narrow a bit last week.
But it`s also clear that Cameron can`t control his backbenchers and there is a real risk that we would be leaving the EU if he returns to power(still unlikely)
The poster does make clear there are as many "toffs" on the Labour front bench as the Tory one but then again one can only be a toff if a Tory according to most lefties.
Labour are nouveaux toffs, Easterross.
The worst kind.
In a lovely exchange on Twitter with me this early evening, Nick Watt of Guardian/Observer fame has claimed that no real aristocratic titles have been created since the Act of Union. I am sure Jack W will fully agree and approve.
I do think this is what all the independence fuss is about.
Eck clealy has his eye on the Thanage of Banff and Buchan.
He'd be thrown out of the SNP if he took it! One of the elements of the SNP which I find most interesting (though I am not a member myself) is their self-denying ordinance against accepting peerages. It must be one of the most important factors in driving the Labour Party in Scotland to demented fury, as it instantly immunizes the SNP against one of the most powerful weapons of the Establishment, as well as giving them a head start in the anti-corruption stakes, alongside the far superior performance of the Holyrood parliament. (And in case anyone asks, it is civil servants who award honours in Scotland now.)
And ... er ... which Act of Union, please? I'd assume 1707 but in view of the way in which Irish peerages were downgraded at one time, I should ask ...
Carnyx
How sad that those most disposed to assert the independence of their nation should be so dismissive of its history.
I feel it will change after the September vote. Fifty thousand pounds a week for the Presidential Suite at a Ryder Cup Hotel doesn't appear too self-denying to me.
As for the various Acts of Union, we really need oldnat, our formerly resident Scots history teacher back, to explain all. I shall pass on this one.
The poster does make clear there are as many "toffs" on the Labour front bench as the Tory one but then again one can only be a toff if a Tory according to most lefties.
Labour are nouveaux toffs, Easterross.
The worst kind.
In a lovely exchange on Twitter with me this early evening, Nick Watt of Guardian/Observer fame has claimed that no real aristocratic titles have been created since the Act of Union. I am sure Jack W will fully agree and approve.
I do think this is what all the independence fuss is about.
Eck clealy has his eye on the Thanage of Banff and Buchan.
He'd be thrown out of the SNP if he took it! One of the elements of the SNP which I find most interesting (though I am not a member myself) is their self-denying ordinance against accepting peerages. It must be one of the most important factors in driving the Labour Party in Scotland to demented fury, as it instantly immunizes the SNP against one of the most powerful weapons of the Establishment, as well as giving them a head start in the anti-corruption stakes, alongside the far superior performance of the Holyrood parliament. (And in case anyone asks, it is civil servants who award honours in Scotland now.)
And ... er ... which Act of Union, please? I'd assume 1707 but in view of the way in which Irish peerages were downgraded at one time, I should ask ...
By refusing to take Peerages the SNP has denied the Upper House the skills and authority of such people as Winnie Ewing, George Reid, Robert McIntyre, William Wolfe and Gordon Wilson. After all Sir George Reid has everything except a Peerage! He is a Privy Counsellor, former Presiding Officer and in the personal gift of the Monarch, former Lord High Commissioner of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland and current Lord Lieutenant of Clackmannanshire. If that doesn't put him at the very summit of the Scottish Establishment, I have no idea what does.
Incidentally I personally think George Reid has been one of the most able Scottish politicians in the past 30 years and he deserves every honour he has received. I would hope he lives long enough to be elevated to the Order of the Thistle.
Labour has 7% lead in new Opinium/Obs poll. Lab 36, n/c. Tories 29, -1. Ukip 17,n/c. Lib Dem 8 n/c. After wobbly poll wk, this more normal.
I think the tide was starting to turn in the Conservatives' favour, but the 50p move by Labour is starting to eek through now and stopped their rot.
Could be. I doubt more tory splits and chaos will have helped either.
I still think last years trend and movements for the May locals were not a fluke and we will see a broadly similar pattern before and after the EU elections. With the crucial difference that when you transpose last years VI trend for labour and the tories into this year that gap between labour and the tories gets far narrower and way more likely to crossover when the softer tory kipper waverers come back after May.
It's possible labour have lost all they can to the kippers but there is still a very big pool of disaffected WWC labour voters that little Ed just doesn't seem to be able to reach so I would tend to think not.
Needless to say we can safely ignore the lib dems 'movement' since they have been flatlining at 10% since late 2010.
I think you're right. Contrary to the clueless media's predictions with their demented ravings about how Labour need to appeal more to socalled "Middle England", it's white working-class voters, especially men, who are the weakest part of Labour's voting "coalition" - middle-class Labour voters (especially ones who work in the public sector) tend to be quite satisfied with the party and with Ed Miliband, but there's many more "traditional" Labour voters who feel they don't speak up for the poor anymore and are too interested in cosying up to the rich. Those types of voters are definitely vulnerable to UKIP if they continue to transform themselves into a British Front National (leftwing/statist on economics, rightwing on immigration).
Another one who does not understand UKIP and continues the insults, do these people not realise the more you insult us the more determined we become? Worked well for Cameron did it not?
Labour has 7% lead in new Opinium/Obs poll. Lab 36, n/c. Tories 29, -1. Ukip 17,n/c. Lib Dem 8 n/c. After wobbly poll wk, this more normal.
I think the tide was starting to turn in the Conservatives' favour, but the 50p move by Labour is starting to eek through now and stopped their rot.
Could be. I doubt more tory splits and chaos will have helped either.
I still think last years trend and movements for the May locals were not a fluke and we will see a broadly similar pattern before and after the EU elections. With the crucial difference that when you transpose last years VI trend for labour and the tories into this year that gap between labour and the tories gets far narrower and way more likely to crossover when the softer tory kipper waverers come back after May.
It's possible labour have lost all they can to the kippers but there is still a very big pool of disaffected WWC labour voters that little Ed just doesn't seem to be able to reach so I would tend to think not.
Needless to say we can safely ignore the lib dems 'movement' since they have been flatlining at 10% since late 2010.
I think you're right. Contrary to the clueless media's predictions with their demented ravings about how Labour need to appeal more to socalled "Middle England", it's white working-class voters, especially men, who are the weakest part of Labour's voting "coalition" - middle-class Labour voters (especially ones who work in the public sector) tend to be quite satisfied with the party and with Ed Miliband, but there's many more "traditional" Labour voters who feel they don't speak up for the poor anymore and are too interested in cosying up to the rich. Those types of voters are definitely vulnerable to UKIP if they continue to transform themselves into a British Front National (leftwing/statist on economics, rightwing on immigration).
Another one who does not understand UKIP and continues the insults, do these people not realise the more you insult us the more determined we become? Worked well for Cameron did it not?
I'm not quite sure how my post was insulting towards UKIP (unless you consider any suggestion that they might support some leftwing policies to be insulting!).
The poster does make clear there are as many "toffs" on the Labour front bench as the Tory one but then again one can only be a toff if a Tory according to most lefties.
Labour are nouveaux toffs, Easterross.
The worst kind.
In a lovely exchange on Twitter with me this early evening, Nick Watt of Guardian/Observer fame has claimed that no real aristocratic titles have been created since the Act of Union. I am sure Jack W will fully agree and approve.
I do think this is what all the independence fuss is about.
Eck clealy has his eye on the Thanage of Banff and Buchan.
He'd be thrown out of the SNP if he took it! One of the elements of the SNP which I find most interesting (though I am not a member myself) is their self-denying ordinance against accepting peerages. It must be one of the most important factors in driving the Labour Party in Scotland to demented fury, as it instantly immunizes the SNP against one of the most powerful weapons of the Establishment, as well as giving them a head start in the anti-corruption stakes, alongside the far superior performance of the Holyrood parliament. (And in case anyone asks, it is civil servants who award honours in Scotland now.)
And ... er ... which Act of Union, please? I'd assume 1707 but in view of the way in which Irish peerages were downgraded at one time, I should ask ...
Carnyx
How sad that those most disposed to assert the independence of their nation should be so dismissive of its history.
I feel it will change after the September vote. Fifty thousand pounds a week for the Presidential Suite at a Ryder Cup Hotel doesn't appear too self-denying to me.
As for the various Acts of Union, we really need oldnat, our formerly resident Scots history teacher back, to explain all. I shall pass on this one.
Just asking which Act of Union you meant - the Scots or the Irish one, as genuine interest (in case of some new historical info to learn).
But the indy supporters can't win. If we were to mention B*********n (1314) there are howls of Braveheartery and 'nasty resentful Scot'. In reality, what's done is done, and we are more interested in looking to the future than to the past. Yet if we do this, we are dismissive of our history. Can't win, can we?
As for the Ryder Cup, it was 51K if you want to be accurate - but not for a Presidential Suite, but for what was effectively a trade delegation as a whole. Rather different.
You may be interested to know that you appeared in a dream of mine.
Cameron was having a phototstunt at an 'all you can eat for £5' restaurant and you, me and RN had been invited.
While RN and I had an intelligent conversation you were sycophantically fawning over Cameron and even obsequiously agreeing with him that the revolting food was delicious.
To drink both you and Cameron were having coke, with unlimited free refills, while RN were going to have a £281 bottle of wine. But we were forbidden from doing this as it might have given a posh image. So we had a bottle of Sauvignan Blanc for £17.50 instead.
If there are any budding Dr Jungs reading am I in need of a £281 bottle of wine or do I have deeper problems?
Labour has 7% lead in new Opinium/Obs poll. Lab 36, n/c. Tories 29, -1. Ukip 17,n/c. Lib Dem 8 n/c. After wobbly poll wk, this more normal.
I think the tide was starting to turn in the Conservatives' favour, but the 50p move by Labour is starting to eek through now and stopped their rot.
Could be. I doubt more tory splits and chaos will have helped either.
I still think last years trend and movements for the May locals were not a fluke and we will see a broadly similar pattern before and after the EU elections. With the crucial difference that when you transpose last years VI trend for labour and the tories into this year that gap between labour and the tories gets far narrower and way more likely to crossover when the softer tory kipper waverers come back after May.
It's possible labour have lost all they can to the kippers but there is still a very big pool of disaffected WWC labour voters that little Ed just doesn't seem to be able to reach so I would tend to think not.
Needless to say we can safely ignore the lib dems 'movement' since they have been flatlining at 10% since late 2010.
I think you're right. Contrary to the clueless media's predictions with their demented ravings about how Labour need to appeal more to socalled "Middle England", it's white working-class voters, especially men, who are the weakest part of Labour's voting "coalition" - middle-class Labour voters (especially ones who work in the public sector) tend to be quite satisfied with the party and with Ed Miliband, but there's many more "traditional" Labour voters who feel they don't speak up for the poor anymore and are too interested in cosying up to the rich. Those types of voters are definitely vulnerable to UKIP if they continue to transform themselves into a British Front National (leftwing/statist on economics, rightwing on immigration).
Another one who does not understand UKIP and continues the insults, do these people not realise the more you insult us the more determined we become? Worked well for Cameron did it not?
Agree,at the Euro's election,some of my family members who have never voted,will be voting ukip.
You may be interested to know that you appeared in a dream of mine.
Cameron was having a phototstunt at an 'all you can eat for £5' restaurant and you, me and RN had been invited.
While RN and I had an intelligent conversation you were sycophantically fawning over Cameron and even obsequiously agreeing with him that the revolting food was delicious.
To drink both you and Cameron were having coke, with unlimited free refills, while RN were going to have a £281 bottle of wine. But we were forbidden from doing this as it might have given a posh image. So we had a bottle of Sauvignan Blanc for £17.50 instead.
If there are any budding Dr Jungs reading am I in need of a £281 bottle of wine or do I have deeper problems?
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Labour has 7% lead in new Opinium/Obs poll. Lab 36, n/c. Tories 29, -1. Ukip 17,n/c. Lib Dem 8 n/c. After wobbly poll wk, this more normal.
I think the tide was starting to turn in the Conservatives' favour, but the 50p move by Labour is starting to eek through now and stopped their rot.
Could be. I doubt more tory splits and chaos will have helped either.
I still think last years trend and movements for the May locals were not a fluke and we will see a broadly similar pattern before and after the EU elections. With the crucial difference that when you transpose last years VI trend for labour and the tories into this year that gap between labour and the tories gets far narrower and way more likely to crossover when the softer tory kipper waverers come back after May.
It's possible labour have lost all they can to the kippers but there is still a very big pool of disaffected WWC labour voters that little Ed just doesn't seem to be able to reach so I would tend to think not.
Needless to say we can safely ignore the lib dems 'movement' since they have been flatlining at 10% since late 2010.
I think you're right. Contrary to the clueless media's predictions with their demented ravings about how Labour need to appeal more to socalled "Middle England", it's white working-class voters, especially men, who are the weakest part of Labour's voting "coalition" - middle-class Labour voters (especially ones who work in the public sector) tend to be quite satisfied with the party and with Ed Miliband, but there's many more "traditional" Labour voters who feel they don't speak up for the poor anymore and are too interested in cosying up to the rich. Those types of voters are definitely vulnerable to UKIP if they continue to transform themselves into a British Front National (leftwing/statist on economics, rightwing on immigration).
Another one who does not understand UKIP and continues the insults, do these people not realise the more you insult us the more determined we become? Worked well for Cameron did it not?
I'm not quite sure how my post was insulting towards UKIP (unless you consider any suggestion that they might support some leftwing policies to be insulting!).
That bit was insulting enough! The British Front National part is just wrong
The poster does make clear there are as many "toffs" on the Labour front bench as the Tory one but then again one can only be a toff if a Tory according to most lefties.
Labour are nouveaux toffs, Easterross.
The worst kind.
In a lovely exchange on Twitter with me this early evening, Nick Watt of Guardian/Observer fame has claimed that no real aristocratic titles have been created since the Act of Union. I am sure Jack W will fully agree and approve.
I do think this is what all the independence fuss is about.
Eck clealy has his eye on the Thanage of Banff and Buchan.
He'd be thrown out of the SNP if he took it! One of the elements of the SNP which I find most interesting (though I am not a member myself) is their self-denying ordinance against accepting peerages. It must be one of the most important factors in driving the Labour Party in Scotland to demented fury, as it instantly immunizes the SNP against one of the most powerful weapons of the Establishment, as well as giving them a head start in the anti-corruption stakes, alongside the far superior performance of the Holyrood parliament. (And in case anyone asks, it is civil servants who award honours in Scotland now.)
And ... er ... which Act of Union, please? I'd assume 1707 but in view of the way in which Irish peerages were downgraded at one time, I should ask ...
Carnyx
How sad that those most disposed to assert the independence of their nation should be so dismissive of its history.
I feel it will change after the September vote. Fifty thousand pounds a week for the Presidential Suite at a Ryder Cup Hotel doesn't appear too self-denying to me.
As for the various Acts of Union, we really need oldnat, our formerly resident Scots history teacher back, to explain all. I shall pass on this one.
The reference was to 1707 when they ceased to grant Scottish or English peerages and started granting Great Britain peerages.
Tory MP`s are at risk of throwing their toys out of the pram and just when the polls seemed to narrow a bit last week.
But it`s also clear that Cameron can`t control his backbenchers and there is a real risk that we would be leaving the EU if he returns to power(still unlikely)
We would only be leaving the EU IF the British people voted for it in the Referendum Labour and the LibDems are terrified of giving the people.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
I notice the leaflet which has photos of current and retired Labour leaders talks of the rich not caring about the poor.So just wondered whether Farage with his banking background is rich or poor?
You may be interested to know that you appeared in a dream of mine.
Cameron was having a phototstunt at an 'all you can eat for £5' restaurant and you, me and RN had been invited.
While RN and I had an intelligent conversation you were sycophantically fawning over Cameron and even obsequiously agreeing with him that the revolting food was delicious.
To drink both you and Cameron were having coke, with unlimited free refills, while RN were going to have a £281 bottle of wine. But we were forbidden from doing this as it might have given a posh image. So we had a bottle of Sauvignan Blanc for £17.50 instead.
If there are any budding Dr Jungs reading am I in need of a £281 bottle of wine or do I have deeper problems?
Was the wine nice?
It was standard restaurant Sauvignan Blanc.
Fortunately I don't have a very refined wine tasting palate so I can satisfy my needs on the cheaper varieties. While I appreciated that Australian Shiraz SeanT raved about I didn't think it merited the extra cost over a sub £10 bottle.
On a wider note are there any others who have had PBers appear in dreams ?
What is the point of the Wisdom Index? Given that the public know almost nothing about politics, it might be better labelled the Haven't a Scooby Index.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc. Farage, the man who said women are worth less pay than male colleagues is far from in touch with "ordinary" people.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc. Farage, the man who said women are worth less pay than male colleagues is far from in touch with "ordinary" people.
So is Boris Johnson, so why do the public love them?
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc. Farage, the man who said women are worth less pay than male colleagues is far from in touch with "ordinary" people.
Didn't he actually say that women who take periods out of their careers for maternity leave, and then want to work part-time or term-time-only, are less valuable to their employers? Makes sense to me. What then happens is that society steps in and says: you still have to pay them the same, though.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc. Farage, the man who said women are worth less pay than male colleagues is far from in touch with "ordinary" people.
Desperate garbage from the Tory lickspittle.
That must be why your party is drifting towards electoral slaughter whilst UKIP continues to grow.
The party is funded just like any other party - primarily by donations. Of course in the case of UKIP those donations come from across the spectrum from people rich and poor who want better for their country. In your case they come from those trying to buy influence.
30% - 32% seems to be the core Tory vote. They are the ones who support the 45% tax break for rich people.
The vast majority of Tories do not earn £150k but they do believe that for the rich to work, they must be taxed less.
They also believe that for the less well off to work they must be paid less !
They are also against subsidies except , guess what, for farmers ! They are also against subsidies for wind, solar energy systems. But they are for subsidies to nuclear power plants even if the Chinese are involved.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc. Farage, the man who said women are worth less pay than male colleagues is far from in touch with "ordinary" people.
UKIP want out of the EU,can't be said of the 3 other main parties,so they fat expense accounts and salaries of the con/lib/lab MEP's will carry on.
So far this by election in my part of Manchester i have received 5 leaflets.1 each from labour and the Tories all via the postie. 3 from ukip,1 via the postman and 2 hand delivered, the most recent one the "meet labours millionaires" one. Only came across 1 building with window posters and this was the Crown pub Northenden and the posters were vote loony!
What is the point of the Wisdom Index? Given that the public know almost nothing about politics, it might be better labelled the Haven't a Scooby Index.
Isn't it the case, the "public" correctly forecast the winner in every general election since the war. I once read an academic paper when at University. I am talking about the late 70's.
THe public can correctly distinguish who would "win" the election from which party they would vote for.
` In May 2009, The Guardian reported a Foreign Press Association speech given by Farage in which he had said that over his period as a Member of the European Parliament he had received £2 million of taxpayers' money in staff, travel, and other expenses in addition to his £64,000 annual salary.`
Gosh if the Kippers are getting upset at a little criticism from me, goodness what they will be like when we really turn on them in the coming weeks.
Kippers in tune with the public. One blames floods on gay marriage, another calls women whores, their leader devalues women in the workplace and of course how many are left of those MEPs elected 5 years ago? 9 out of 13 isn't it. Their Scottish party has collapsed in infighting and at the byelection in Cowdenbeath last month the Tory candidate scored almost double UKIP and the LibDem combined.
Gosh if the Kippers are getting upset at a little criticism from me, goodness what they will be like when we really turn on them in the coming weeks.
Kippers in tune with the public. One blames floods on gay marriage, another calls women whores, their leader devalues women in the workplace and of course how many are left of those MEPs elected 5 years ago? 9 out of 13 isn't it. Their Scottish party has collapsed in infighting and at the byelection in Cowdenbeath last month the Tory candidate scored almost double UKIP and the LibDem combined.
It seemed that you were upset with my post,my criticism of labours millionaires.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc. Farage, the man who said women are worth less pay than male colleagues is far from in touch with "ordinary" people.
If our enemies hand us a weapon, we should use it.
Farage was spot-on in his comments about equal pay.
Gosh if the Kippers are getting upset at a little criticism from me, goodness what they will be like when we really turn on them in the coming weeks.
Kippers in tune with the public. One blames floods on gay marriage, another calls women whores, their leader devalues women in the workplace and of course how many are left of those MEPs elected 5 years ago? 9 out of 13 isn't it. Their Scottish party has collapsed in infighting and at the byelection in Cowdenbeath last month the Tory candidate scored almost double UKIP and the LibDem combined.
But, no Kipper is about to tried for rape, or get arrested for child molestation
` In May 2009, The Guardian reported a Foreign Press Association speech given by Farage in which he had said that over his period as a Member of the European Parliament he had received £2 million of taxpayers' money in staff, travel, and other expenses in addition to his £64,000 annual salary.`
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Again,ukip want out,so that will stop,your party wants to stay on the EU gravy train and keep the expenses/salaries.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc.
This upsets you? Support withdrawal from the EU then.
Also, it looks like their numbers will increase after May, whereas the Tories' numbers will decrease.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc.
This upsets you? Support withdrawal from the EU then.
Also, it looks like their numbers will increase after May, whereas the Tories' numbers will decrease.
So, the public doesn't seem to care a jot.
The real prize is to get councillors elected at the same time.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc. Farage, the man who said women are worth less pay than male colleagues is far from in touch with "ordinary" people.
Desperate garbage from the Tory lickspittle.
That must be why your party is drifting towards electoral slaughter whilst UKIP continues to grow.
The party is funded just like any other party - primarily by donations. Of course in the case of UKIP those donations come from across the spectrum from people rich and poor who want better for their country. In your case they come from those trying to buy influence.
The irony of a Scottish Tory accusing others of not being in touch with ordinary people is choice.
If anyone wants a laugh they could dig out Easterross's election predictions from 2010.
As I remember he had a few bets with tim involving dinners and bottles of wine depending upon the number of Scottish Tory gains.
Gosh if the Kippers are getting upset at a little criticism from me, goodness what they will be like when we really turn on them in the coming weeks.
Kippers in tune with the public. One blames floods on gay marriage, another calls women whores, their leader devalues women in the workplace and of course how many are left of those MEPs elected 5 years ago? 9 out of 13 isn't it. Their Scottish party has collapsed in infighting and at the byelection in Cowdenbeath last month the Tory candidate scored almost double UKIP and the LibDem combined.
But, no Kipper is about to tried for rape, or get arrested for child molestation
While that may be factually accurate, it's a bit inappropriate to try and imply that one or other political party is associated with or condones that kind of behaviour any more than any of the others.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc.
This upsets you? Support withdrawal from the EU then.
Also, it looks like their numbers will increase after May, whereas the Tories' numbers will decrease.
So, the public doesn't seem to care a jot.
The real prize is to get councillors elected at the same time.
Yes, I've been waiting for someone to bring that up.
There have been articles online elsewhere and comments on this site of the if-UKIP-beat-Tories-in-Euros-then-they-will-go-into-meltdown variety. This may well be true, but I doubt it as the European Parliament wields little real power.
However, there are local elections taking place on the same day.
Now, if many Tory councillors lose their seats either to UKIP or because of UKIP and worse, lose councils due to UKIP, then the Tories have my express permission to go into meltdown.
The BBC featuring her wailing must mean that she's a pillar of society that somehow I'd failed to encounter before. Checking though it seems not. The wonder of the thing is that she was ever appointed, rather than she was sacked.
The House of Lords is now the joke that its critics always said it was. It's been turned into that by these ludicrous appointments of token political hangers-on to the chamber.
Her claims that the Tories are replacing Labour appointees are probably true - the Labour appointees are so ridiculously bad. The Tory ones will be awful too mind you.
All these dreadful appointees should go. Their jobs should be abolished too. It's pretty hard to see that they actually do anything.
So please, the next Lord in the street you happen to pass, bump into them, ridicule their ermin, and speak away from their ear-trumpets!
What is the point of the Wisdom Index? Given that the public know almost nothing about politics, it might be better labelled the Haven't a Scooby Index.
Isn't it the case, the "public" correctly forecast the winner in every general election since the war. I once read an academic paper when at University. I am talking about the late 70's.
THe public can correctly distinguish who would "win" the election from which party they would vote for.
I imagine the logic might be that you get people giving their feeling of the national mood from their social circle and these overlapping glimpses add up to an averaged out accurate picture.
I think it had enough basis that they decided it was worth an experiment and see if the results come out with anything useful.
Gosh if the Kippers are getting upset at a little criticism from me, goodness what they will be like when we really turn on them in the coming weeks.
Kippers in tune with the public. One blames floods on gay marriage, another calls women whores, their leader devalues women in the workplace and of course how many are left of those MEPs elected 5 years ago? 9 out of 13 isn't it. Their Scottish party has collapsed in infighting and at the byelection in Cowdenbeath last month the Tory candidate scored almost double UKIP and the LibDem combined.
But, no Kipper is about to tried for rape, or get arrested for child molestation
While that may be factually accurate, it's a bit inappropriate to try and imply that one or other political party is associated with or condones that kind of behaviour any more than any of the others.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc. Farage, the man who said women are worth less pay than male colleagues is far from in touch with "ordinary" people.
Desperate garbage from the Tory lickspittle.
That must be why your party is drifting towards electoral slaughter whilst UKIP continues to grow.
The party is funded just like any other party - primarily by donations. Of course in the case of UKIP those donations come from across the spectrum from people rich and poor who want better for their country. In your case they come from those trying to buy influence.
The irony of a Scottish Tory accusing others of not being in touch with ordinary people is choice.
If anyone wants a laugh they could dig out Easterross's election predictions from 2010.
As I remember he had a few bets with tim involving dinners and bottles of wine depending upon the number of Scottish Tory gains.
I had no bets with anyone in 2010 or at any other time and especially not with the so called wine selling Cheshire farmer. At least I had the guts to predict election results and got the ultimate number of LibDems almost bang on when everyone else was getting carried away with Cleggasms. I would remind you there were 412,000 Tory voters in Scotland in 2010 and in the last year we have been picking up votes in real elections in Scotland and contrary to the expectations of almost all PBers captured a safe LibDem council seat in the Borders in a byelection.
Gosh if the Kippers are getting upset at a little criticism from me, goodness what they will be like when we really turn on them in the coming weeks.
Kippers in tune with the public. One blames floods on gay marriage, another calls women whores, their leader devalues women in the workplace and of course how many are left of those MEPs elected 5 years ago? 9 out of 13 isn't it. Their Scottish party has collapsed in infighting and at the byelection in Cowdenbeath last month the Tory candidate scored almost double UKIP and the LibDem combined.
But, no Kipper is about to tried for rape, or get arrested for child molestation
While that may be factually accurate, it's a bit inappropriate to try and imply that one or other political party is associated with or condones that kind of behaviour any more than any of the others.
Why?
Incidentally, I haven't seen child abuse reported in the comparative way you suggest, except by David Steel when questioned about Cyril Smith.
Gosh if the Kippers are getting upset at a little criticism from me, goodness what they will be like when we really turn on them in the coming weeks.
Kippers in tune with the public. One blames floods on gay marriage, another calls women whores, their leader devalues women in the workplace and of course how many are left of those MEPs elected 5 years ago? 9 out of 13 isn't it. Their Scottish party has collapsed in infighting and at the byelection in Cowdenbeath last month the Tory candidate scored almost double UKIP and the LibDem combined.
But, no Kipper is about to tried for rape, or get arrested for child molestation
While that may be factually accurate, it's a bit inappropriate to try and imply that one or other political party is associated with or condones that kind of behaviour any more than any of the others.
My personal opinion on the Rennard side of things is that the political world houses a lot more sexual harrassment than anyone wants to acknowledge, on all sides.
Obviously since Rennard's the case that hit the headlines etc, this may come across as trying to shift focus away from the Lib Dems but it really isn't. I think it goes on a lot and is kept pretty quiet.
If Cameron as another week in the commons as last week with PMQ's,foreign crims and in the lords with his EU referendum,then getting in bed with ukip,alot of the tory activists will be joining ukip ;-)
Gosh if the Kippers are getting upset at a little criticism from me, goodness what they will be like when we really turn on them in the coming weeks.
Kippers in tune with the public. One blames floods on gay marriage, another calls women whores, their leader devalues women in the workplace and of course how many are left of those MEPs elected 5 years ago? 9 out of 13 isn't it. Their Scottish party has collapsed in infighting and at the byelection in Cowdenbeath last month the Tory candidate scored almost double UKIP and the LibDem combined.
But, no Kipper is about to tried for rape, or get arrested for child molestation
While that may be factually accurate, it's a bit inappropriate to try and imply that one or other political party is associated with or condones that kind of behaviour any more than any of the others.
That is correct, but it's a legitimate response to those who try to argue (from one of the big three) that somehow UKIP is morally reprehensible. Take the beam out of one's own eye before removing the mote from another's.
Gosh if the Kippers are getting upset at a little criticism from me, goodness what they will be like when we really turn on them in the coming weeks.
Kippers in tune with the public. One blames floods on gay marriage, another calls women whores, their leader devalues women in the workplace and of course how many are left of those MEPs elected 5 years ago? 9 out of 13 isn't it. Their Scottish party has collapsed in infighting and at the byelection in Cowdenbeath last month the Tory candidate scored almost double UKIP and the LibDem combined.
Hmm. Yes. A UKIP (and until very recently Tory) councillor makes stupid claims about the weather being a punishment from God because of Gay Marriage and UKIP promptly suspend him. I note the Tories didn't suspend him whilst he was making similarly offensive comments about gays as a Tory councillor.
Another Tory councillor leaves phone messages for a gay opponent hoping that they die of Aids and the Tories do... nothing. He is still a councillor whilst the opponent he so insulted felt compelled to resign.
Says just about all you need to know about the hypocritical Tories.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc. Farage, the man who said women are worth less pay than male colleagues is far from in touch with "ordinary" people.
The irony of a Scottish Tory accusing others of not being in touch with ordinary people is choice.
If anyone wants a laugh they could dig out Easterross's election predictions from 2010.
As I remember he had a few bets with tim involving dinners and bottles of wine depending upon the number of Scottish Tory gains.
I had no bets with anyone in 2010 or at any other time and especially not with the so called wine selling Cheshire farmer. At least I had the guts to predict election results and got the ultimate number of LibDems almost bang on when everyone else was getting carried away with Cleggasms. I would remind you there were 412,000 Tory voters in Scotland in 2010 and in the last year we have been picking up votes in real elections in Scotland and contrary to the expectations of almost all PBers captured a safe LibDem council seat in the Borders in a byelection.
Really ? Perhaps my memory is playing up but I seem to remember you offering tim some betting opportunities - the phrase 'diner with Easterross in Easterross' being in my mind.
As to the LibDems from 2008 you predicted disaster for them at the next general election and I'll also point out that not everyone got carried away by the Cleggasm, it certainly provided excellent betting opportunities regarding Harrogate, Cambourne, Montgomershire and Newton Abbot.
And I wouldn't bother attempting to big up Scottish Tory election performances because they're crap, that all you've got to boast about is some local council byelection in a rural area proves it.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc. Farage, the man who said women are worth less pay than male colleagues is far from in touch with "ordinary" people.
Think you are getting mixed up with the Koran
Crap like this is why UKIP, despite the best efforts of its brighter members, will remain a laughing stock.
Cammo and co, with all the power of the law in their hands, are looking ever more pathetic.
You've fallen for the spin someone wanted to put on a document. It's been reported for ages that this report has been delayed for months precisely because it fails to makes the case against immigration that May wanted. Let's wait to see it in full rather than just the bits spoon fed to the Telegraph by people with an agenda.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc. Farage, the man who said women are worth less pay than male colleagues is far from in touch with "ordinary" people.
Think you are getting mixed up with the Koran
Crap like this is why UKIP, despite the best efforts of its brighter members, will remain a laughing stock.
Frightened by a perfectly legit leaflet, Saddened?
The last thing most of us wish for is a pact with UKIP. Some misguided Tories may think it a good idea. A pact with the LibDems makes more sense. We have more in common with them and even that is very little.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc. Farage, the man who said women are worth less pay than male colleagues is far from in touch with "ordinary" people.
Desperate garbage from the Tory lickspittle.
That must be why your party is drifting towards electoral slaughter whilst UKIP continues to grow.
The party is funded just like any other party - primarily by donations. Of course in the case of UKIP those donations come from across the spectrum from people rich and poor who want better for their country. In your case they come from those trying to buy influence.
The irony of a Scottish Tory accusing others of not being in touch with ordinary people is choice.
If anyone wants a laugh they could dig out Easterross's election predictions from 2010.
As I remember he had a few bets with tim involving dinners and bottles of wine depending upon the number of Scottish Tory gains.
I had no bets with anyone in 2010 or at any other time and especially not with the so called wine selling Cheshire farmer. At least I had the guts to predict election results and got the ultimate number of LibDems almost bang on when everyone else was getting carried away with Cleggasms. I would remind you there were 412,000 Tory voters in Scotland in 2010 and in the last year we have been picking up votes in real elections in Scotland and contrary to the expectations of almost all PBers captured a safe LibDem council seat in the Borders in a byelection.
The seat you "captured" in the Borders was in fact a Conservative hold not a gain .
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc. Farage, the man who said women are worth less pay than male colleagues is far from in touch with "ordinary" people.
Think you are getting mixed up with the Koran
Crap like this is why UKIP, despite the best efforts of its brighter members, will remain a laughing stock.
I presume it's traditional to put this quotation on after such a comment?
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
Cammo and co, with all the power of the law in their hands, are looking ever more pathetic.
You've fallen for the spin someone wanted to put on a document. It's been reported for ages that this report has been delayed for months precisely because it fails to makes the case against immigration that May wanted. Let's wait to see it in full rather than just the bits spoon fed to the Telegraph by people with an agenda.
What a shame that the Torygraph is no longer following the Cameron line. It's not spin when a document due to be published this week anyway, was hidden from view when it mattered.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc. Farage, the man who said women are worth less pay than male colleagues is far from in touch with "ordinary" people.
Think you are getting mixed up with the Koran
Crap like this is why UKIP, despite the best efforts of its brighter members, will remain a laughing stock.
Really? Pray do tell me what the Koran says about women.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc. Farage, the man who said women are worth less pay than male colleagues is far from in touch with "ordinary" people.
Think you are getting mixed up with the Koran
Crap like this is why UKIP, despite the best efforts of its brighter members, will remain a laughing stock.
Frightened by a perfectly legit leaflet, Saddened?
Not remotely. But I'm concerned about the need to shoehorn in a dig at Muslims.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc. Farage, the man who said women are worth less pay than male colleagues is far from in touch with "ordinary" people.
Think you are getting mixed up with the Koran
Crap like this is why UKIP, despite the best efforts of its brighter members, will remain a laughing stock.
Frightened by a perfectly legit leaflet, Saddened?
Not remotely. But I'm concerned about the need to shoehorn in a dig at Muslims.
Actually I agree it was a poor response, however I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of the point made.
The Tory economic cheerleaders are no different to Labour's pre 2008, glorying in debt financed consumption and happy for long term damage to be done to the economy as long as they can get a few more votes.
Referendum Voting Intention – ‘Should Scotland be an independent country?’
Yes – 32%, No – 52%, Undecided – 16%
“No” has lead of 20 points
Now, imagine you knew the Conservative Party was expected to win a majority at the next UK General Election in 2015 and form the next UK government, would this affect how you would vote, or not, in the Scottish independence referendum this year?
[these %s show how people would then vote in the referendum]
Now, imagine you knew the Conservative Party was expected to win a majority at the next UK General Election in 2015 and be in power in the UK for the next 15 years. Would this affect how you would vote, or not, in the Scottish independence referendum this year?
Hmmm despite the spin, a majority of Tories are opposed to a pact with UKIP
When we last asked Conservative members in our monthly survey whether or not the Party should form a pact with UKIP for the next election, they divided a third for, a third against and a third not knowing (34 per cent, 33 per cent and 33 per cent, to be precise).
The best part of nine month months on, the percentage not knowing has been whittled down to a nugatory five per cent. The proportion wanting a deal is up to 41 per cent – just over two in five Tory activists, as I say. 54 per cent, the majority, are against
Gosh if the Kippers are getting upset at a little criticism from me, goodness what they will be like when we really turn on them in the coming weeks.
Kippers in tune with the public. One blames floods on gay marriage, another calls women whores, their leader devalues women in the workplace and of course how many are left of those MEPs elected 5 years ago? 9 out of 13 isn't it. Their Scottish party has collapsed in infighting and at the byelection in Cowdenbeath last month the Tory candidate scored almost double UKIP and the LibDem combined.
But, no Kipper is about to tried for rape, or get arrested for child molestation
While that may be factually accurate, it's a bit inappropriate to try and imply that one or other political party is associated with or condones that kind of behaviour any more than any of the others.
My personal opinion on the Rennard side of things is that the political world houses a lot more sexual harrassment than anyone wants to acknowledge, on all sides.
Obviously since Rennard's the case that hit the headlines etc, this may come across as trying to shift focus away from the Lib Dems but it really isn't. I think it goes on a lot and is kept pretty quiet.
On balance, probably yes - although I think the LibDems are more under the spotlight now because no one really cared about them in the past. So there is probably a slightly false impression given as more of their flawed individuals are being uncovered and/ore reported on
The Tory economic cheerleaders are no different to Labour's pre 2008, glorying in debt financed consumption and happy for long term damage to be done to the economy as long as they can get a few more votes.
So which set of willfully blind cheerleaders should we vote for? Should we just assume neither side has the will to do anything that will genuinely fix things (I do not know enough about economics to know what that could be, if possible, and given how useless economic predictions are, I am doubtful as to whether anyone else really knows either), and just assume further economic pain is inevitable and vote for the various sides based on other policies like Europe or immigration?
Gosh if the Kippers are getting upset at a little criticism from me, goodness what they will be like when we really turn on them in the coming weeks.
Kippers in tune with the public. One blames floods on gay marriage, another calls women whores, their leader devalues women in the workplace and of course how many are left of those MEPs elected 5 years ago? 9 out of 13 isn't it. Their Scottish party has collapsed in infighting and at the byelection in Cowdenbeath last month the Tory candidate scored almost double UKIP and the LibDem combined.
But, no Kipper is about to tried for rape, or get arrested for child molestation
While that may be factually accurate, it's a bit inappropriate to try and imply that one or other political party is associated with or condones that kind of behaviour any more than any of the others.
That is correct, but it's a legitimate response to those who try to argue (from one of the big three) that somehow UKIP is morally reprehensible. Take the beam out of one's own eye before removing the mote from another's.
When UKIP was on 3%, I'm willing to believe that they had a higher proportion of fruitcakes, etc. Now they are on 10-12% there is no reason why it should be a greater or lesser proportion than other parties of a similar size.
Couldn't careless,ukip are more in touch with the ordinary people of this country than the party you support,top people head of your party just want to fatten themselves on the EU gravy train.
Bit rich from a Kipper given that the party is funded by the fat expense accounts and salaries Kipper MEPs draw from Brussels for doing very little given how rarely Farage et al seem to bother turning up and voting etc. Farage, the man who said women are worth less pay than male colleagues is far from in touch with "ordinary" people.
Think you are getting mixed up with the Koran
Crap like this is why UKIP, despite the best efforts of its brighter members, will remain a laughing stock.
Really? Pray do tell me what the Koran says about women.
From memory, not much different from what the bible says about women? Corinithains 11:5 but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven.
Tiomothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
Titus 2:3 Older women likewise are to be reverent in behaviour, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.
... and many more.
The text of documents that are well over a thousand years old are not particularly relevant (note in Islam the Hadiths are of massive importance). What matters is the way people interpret those texts. And as can be seen above, the texts - particularly on an individual verse level - are very open to interpretation according to whatever bias the reader has.
Hmmm despite the spin, a majority of Tories are opposed to a pact with UKIP
When we last asked Conservative members in our monthly survey whether or not the Party should form a pact with UKIP for the next election, they divided a third for, a third against and a third not knowing (34 per cent, 33 per cent and 33 per cent, to be precise).
The best part of nine month months on, the percentage not knowing has been whittled down to a nugatory five per cent. The proportion wanting a deal is up to 41 per cent – just over two in five Tory activists, as I say. 54 per cent, the majority, are against
They fear that to do a deal with their own errant former supporters - as UKIP by and large are still often seen as such - would grant them power over the Tories, essentially giving in to their own rebels while resigning themselves to being Cameroons forever and letting UKIP steal the 'real Tory' label?
For the Sunday Times Messrs Rallings and Thrasher have done an analysis on all the votes in council elections since May, I think their National Equivalent Share of the vote is
Labour 34%, Tories 28%, UKIP 17%, Lib Dems 13%.
In places where it stands, UKIP takes an average 22% of the vote compared with 15% for the Lib Dems.
For the Sunday Times Messrs Rallings and Thrasher have done an analysis on all the votes in council elections since May, I think their National Equivalent Share of the vote is
Labour 34%, Tories 28%, UKIP 17%, Lib Dems 13%.
In places where it stands, UKIP takes an average 22% of the vote compared with 15% for the Lib Dems.
They say
“The Lib Dems, once the master tacticians of by-elections, are fading fast and are being replaced by UKIP.”
Hmmm despite the spin, a majority of Tories are opposed to a pact with UKIP
When we last asked Conservative members in our monthly survey whether or not the Party should form a pact with UKIP for the next election, they divided a third for, a third against and a third not knowing (34 per cent, 33 per cent and 33 per cent, to be precise).
The best part of nine month months on, the percentage not knowing has been whittled down to a nugatory five per cent. The proportion wanting a deal is up to 41 per cent – just over two in five Tory activists, as I say. 54 per cent, the majority, are against
The BBC featuring her wailing must mean that she's a pillar of society that somehow I'd failed to encounter before. Checking though it seems not. The wonder of the thing is that she was ever appointed, rather than she was sacked.
The House of Lords is now the joke that its critics always said it was. It's been turned into that by these ludicrous appointments of token political hangers-on to the chamber.
Her claims that the Tories are replacing Labour appointees are probably true - the Labour appointees are so ridiculously bad. The Tory ones will be awful too mind you.
All these dreadful appointees should go. Their jobs should be abolished too. It's pretty hard to see that they actually do anything.
So please, the next Lord in the street you happen to pass, bump into them, ridicule their ermin, and speak away from their ear-trumpets!
For the Sunday Times Messrs Rallings and Thrasher have done an analysis on all the votes in council elections since May, I think their National Equivalent Share of the vote is
Labour 34%, Tories 28%, UKIP 17%, Lib Dems 13%.
In places where it stands, UKIP takes an average 22% of the vote compared with 15% for the Lib Dems.
They say
“The Lib Dems, once the master tacticians of by-elections, are fading fast and are being replaced by UKIP.”
The Tory economic cheerleaders are no different to Labour's pre 2008, glorying in debt financed consumption and happy for long term damage to be done to the economy as long as they can get a few more votes.
So which set of willfully blind cheerleaders should we vote for? Should we just assume neither side has the will to do anything that will genuinely fix things (I do not know enough about economics to know what that could be, if possible, and given how useless economic predictions are, I am doubtful as to whether anyone else really knows either), and just assume further economic pain is inevitable and vote for the various sides based on other policies like Europe or immigration?
Hmmm despite the spin, a majority of Tories are opposed to a pact with UKIP
When we last asked Conservative members in our monthly survey whether or not the Party should form a pact with UKIP for the next election, they divided a third for, a third against and a third not knowing (34 per cent, 33 per cent and 33 per cent, to be precise).
The best part of nine month months on, the percentage not knowing has been whittled down to a nugatory five per cent. The proportion wanting a deal is up to 41 per cent – just over two in five Tory activists, as I say. 54 per cent, the majority, are against
Hmmm despite the spin, a majority of Tories are opposed to a pact with UKIP
When we last asked Conservative members in our monthly survey whether or not the Party should form a pact with UKIP for the next election, they divided a third for, a third against and a third not knowing (34 per cent, 33 per cent and 33 per cent, to be precise).
The best part of nine month months on, the percentage not knowing has been whittled down to a nugatory five per cent. The proportion wanting a deal is up to 41 per cent – just over two in five Tory activists, as I say. 54 per cent, the majority, are against
Hmmm despite the spin, a majority of Tories are opposed to a pact with UKIP
When we last asked Conservative members in our monthly survey whether or not the Party should form a pact with UKIP for the next election, they divided a third for, a third against and a third not knowing (34 per cent, 33 per cent and 33 per cent, to be precise).
The best part of nine month months on, the percentage not knowing has been whittled down to a nugatory five per cent. The proportion wanting a deal is up to 41 per cent – just over two in five Tory activists, as I say. 54 per cent, the majority, are against
There's a story in the Sunday Times that's going to either confuse the Daily Mail or is a Daily Mail dream story
A MUSLIM family of Somali origin have protested after social services chose a white lesbian couple to adopt their three-year-old daughter.
They say offers from four members of their extended family to care for the girl were rejected. Relatives want the child to be brought up by a family who share their religious and ethnic background.
Hmmm despite the spin, a majority of Tories are opposed to a pact with UKIP
When we last asked Conservative members in our monthly survey whether or not the Party should form a pact with UKIP for the next election, they divided a third for, a third against and a third not knowing (34 per cent, 33 per cent and 33 per cent, to be precise).
The best part of nine month months on, the percentage not knowing has been whittled down to a nugatory five per cent. The proportion wanting a deal is up to 41 per cent – just over two in five Tory activists, as I say. 54 per cent, the majority, are against
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But it`s also clear that Cameron can`t control his backbenchers and there is a real risk that we would be leaving the EU if he returns to power(still unlikely)
How sad that those most disposed to assert the independence of their nation should be so dismissive of its history.
I feel it will change after the September vote. Fifty thousand pounds a week for the Presidential Suite at a Ryder Cup Hotel doesn't appear too self-denying to me.
As for the various Acts of Union, we really need oldnat, our formerly resident Scots history teacher back, to explain all. I shall pass on this one.
2. They measure length and time, I receive complaints about both.
3. I never kiss and tell, and I think they have me fake names.
4. As much as they are willing to give me.
Incidentally I personally think George Reid has been one of the most able Scottish politicians in the past 30 years and he deserves every honour he has received. I would hope he lives long enough to be elevated to the Order of the Thistle.
But the indy supporters can't win. If we were to mention B*********n (1314) there are howls of Braveheartery and 'nasty resentful Scot'. In reality, what's done is done, and we are more interested in looking to the future than to the past. Yet if we do this, we are dismissive of our history. Can't win, can we?
As for the Ryder Cup, it was 51K if you want to be accurate - but not for a Presidential Suite, but for what was effectively a trade delegation as a whole. Rather different.
You may be interested to know that you appeared in a dream of mine.
Cameron was having a phototstunt at an 'all you can eat for £5' restaurant and you, me and RN had been invited.
While RN and I had an intelligent conversation you were sycophantically fawning over Cameron and even obsequiously agreeing with him that the revolting food was delicious.
To drink both you and Cameron were having coke, with unlimited free refills, while RN were going to have a £281 bottle of wine. But we were forbidden from doing this as it might have given a posh image. So we had a bottle of Sauvignan Blanc for £17.50 instead.
If there are any budding Dr Jungs reading am I in need of a £281 bottle of wine or do I have deeper problems?
Fortunately I don't have a very refined wine tasting palate so I can satisfy my needs on the cheaper varieties. While I appreciated that Australian Shiraz SeanT raved about I didn't think it merited the extra cost over a sub £10 bottle.
On a wider note are there any others who have had PBers appear in dreams ?
Opinium /Observer poll LAB 36% CON 29% UKIP 17% LDEM 8%
Progressives 44%
That must be why your party is drifting towards electoral slaughter whilst UKIP continues to grow.
The party is funded just like any other party - primarily by donations. Of course in the case of UKIP those donations come from across the spectrum from people rich and poor who want better for their country. In your case they come from those trying to buy influence.
The vast majority of Tories do not earn £150k but they do believe that for the rich to work, they must be taxed less.
They also believe that for the less well off to work they must be paid less !
They are also against subsidies except , guess what, for farmers ! They are also against subsidies for wind, solar energy systems. But they are for subsidies to nuclear power plants even if the Chinese are involved.
Strange people, these hard core Tory types !
Only came across 1 building with window posters and this was the Crown pub Northenden and the posters were vote loony!
THe public can correctly distinguish who would "win" the election from which party they would vote for.
Avery, typically of a Tory, let's someone else do the work !
` In May 2009, The Guardian reported a Foreign Press Association speech given by Farage in which he had said that over his period as a Member of the European Parliament he had received £2 million of taxpayers' money in staff, travel, and other expenses in addition to his £64,000 annual salary.`
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Kippers in tune with the public. One blames floods on gay marriage, another calls women whores, their leader devalues women in the workplace and of course how many are left of those MEPs elected 5 years ago? 9 out of 13 isn't it. Their Scottish party has collapsed in infighting and at the byelection in Cowdenbeath last month the Tory candidate scored almost double UKIP and the LibDem combined.
Farage was spot-on in his comments about equal pay.
What don't you get.
Also, it looks like their numbers will increase after May, whereas the Tories' numbers will decrease.
So, the public doesn't seem to care a jot.
If anyone wants a laugh they could dig out Easterross's election predictions from 2010.
As I remember he had a few bets with tim involving dinners and bottles of wine depending upon the number of Scottish Tory gains.
There have been articles online elsewhere and comments on this site of the if-UKIP-beat-Tories-in-Euros-then-they-will-go-into-meltdown variety. This may well be true, but I doubt it as the European Parliament wields little real power.
However, there are local elections taking place on the same day.
Now, if many Tory councillors lose their seats either to UKIP or because of UKIP and worse, lose councils due to UKIP, then the Tories have my express permission to go into meltdown.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/01/ukip-conservative-nigel-farage-anti-eu
The BBC featuring her wailing must mean that she's a pillar of society that somehow I'd failed to encounter before. Checking though it seems not. The wonder of the thing is that she was ever appointed, rather than she was sacked.
The House of Lords is now the joke that its critics always said it was. It's been turned into that by these ludicrous appointments of token political hangers-on to the chamber.
Her claims that the Tories are replacing Labour appointees are probably true - the Labour appointees are so ridiculously bad. The Tory ones will be awful too mind you.
All these dreadful appointees should go. Their jobs should be abolished too. It's pretty hard to see that they actually do anything.
So please, the next Lord in the street you happen to pass, bump into them, ridicule their ermin, and speak away from their ear-trumpets!
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I think it had enough basis that they decided it was worth an experiment and see if the results come out with anything useful.
Incidentally, I haven't seen child abuse reported in the comparative way you suggest, except by David Steel when questioned about Cyril Smith.
Obviously since Rennard's the case that hit the headlines etc, this may come across as trying to shift focus away from the Lib Dems but it really isn't. I think it goes on a lot and is kept pretty quiet.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10597409/Home-Office-hid-dossier-on-EU-migrants.html
Cammo and co, with all the power of the law in their hands, are looking ever more pathetic.
Another Tory councillor leaves phone messages for a gay opponent hoping that they die of Aids and the Tories do... nothing. He is still a councillor whilst the opponent he so insulted felt compelled to resign.
Says just about all you need to know about the hypocritical Tories.
Either way, my answer is no.
As to the LibDems from 2008 you predicted disaster for them at the next general election and I'll also point out that not everyone got carried away by the Cleggasm, it certainly provided excellent betting opportunities regarding Harrogate, Cambourne, Montgomershire and Newton Abbot.
And I wouldn't bother attempting to big up Scottish Tory election performances because they're crap, that all you've got to boast about is some local council byelection in a rural area proves it.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
Mahatma Gandhi
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/10612318/Britains-shaky-growth-is-papering-over-cracks.html
The Tory economic cheerleaders are no different to Labour's pre 2008, glorying in debt financed consumption and happy for long term damage to be done to the economy as long as they can get a few more votes.
Referendum Voting Intention – ‘Should Scotland be an independent country?’
Yes – 32%, No – 52%, Undecided – 16%
“No” has lead of 20 points
Now, imagine you knew the Conservative Party was expected to win a majority at the next UK General Election in 2015 and form the next UK government, would this affect how you would vote, or not, in the Scottish independence referendum this year?
[these %s show how people would then vote in the referendum]
NET: Yes – 35%, NET: No – 49%, NET: Undecided – 16%
“No” lead down to 14 points
Now, imagine you knew the Conservative Party was expected to win a majority at the next UK General Election in 2015 and be in power in the UK for the next 15 years. Would this affect how you would vote, or not, in the Scottish independence referendum this year?
NET: Yes – 38%, NET: No – 47%, NET: Undecided – 16%
“No” lead down to 9 points – less than half of what it was in the original question
- See more at: http://survation.com/2014/02/new-polling-on-scottish-independence-what-if-conservative-fortunes-improved/#sthash.giGXIz48.dpuf
Westminster Voting Intention
Conservative – 16%, Labour – 38%, Liberal Democrat – 10%, SNP – 30%, Other – 6%
Holyrood Voting Intention
Conservative – 12%, Labour – 36%, Liberal Democrat – 9%, SNP – 38%, Other – 5%
- See more at: http://survation.com/2014/02/new-polling-on-scottish-independence-what-if-conservative-fortunes-improved/#sthash.giGXIz48.dpuf
When we last asked Conservative members in our monthly survey whether or not the Party should form a pact with UKIP for the next election, they divided a third for, a third against and a third not knowing (34 per cent, 33 per cent and 33 per cent, to be precise).
The best part of nine month months on, the percentage not knowing has been whittled down to a nugatory five per cent. The proportion wanting a deal is up to 41 per cent – just over two in five Tory activists, as I say. 54 per cent, the majority, are against
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2014/02/two-in-five-tory-members-want-a-pact-with-ukip.html
Corinithains 11:5 but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven.
Tiomothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.
Titus 2:3 Older women likewise are to be reverent in behaviour, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.
... and many more.
The text of documents that are well over a thousand years old are not particularly relevant (note in Islam the Hadiths are of massive importance). What matters is the way people interpret those texts. And as can be seen above, the texts - particularly on an individual verse level - are very open to interpretation according to whatever bias the reader has.
Labour 34%, Tories 28%, UKIP 17%, Lib Dems 13%.
In places where it stands, UKIP takes an average 22% of the vote compared with 15% for the Lib Dems.
“The Lib Dems, once the master tacticians of by-elections, are fading fast and are being replaced by UKIP.”
http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/02/tns-bmrb-poll-confirms-continuing-swing-to-yes/
http://news.stv.tv/politics/262524-new-poll-suggests-support-for-independence-growing-among-scots/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Your conservative "principles" must be pretty elastic if you're still in the Conservative Party after all the Cameroons have done and said.
A MUSLIM family of Somali origin have protested after social services chose a white lesbian couple to adopt their three-year-old daughter.
They say offers from four members of their extended family to care for the girl were rejected. Relatives want the child to be brought up by a family who share their religious and ethnic background.
Is discarding anything or anyone who might hinder their pursuit of political power a guiding principle?