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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863

    Election Maps UK

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (-5)
    CON: 35% (+8)
    LDM: 7% (-2)
    SNP: 4% (+1)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    RFM: 3% (-1)

    Via @DeltapollUK, 17-20 Mar.
    Changes w/ 10-13 Mar.

    And for contrast

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 20% (-3)
    GRN: 13% (+3)
    LDM: 9% (+1)
    RFM: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 5% (+1)

    Via @PeoplePolling, 17 Mar.
    Changes w/ 8 Mar.

    One of those Tory poll ratings is seriously wrong. Obvs.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited March 2023
    Hague's Shadow Home Secretary and Strictly star
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863

    RobD said:

    Election Maps UK

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (-5)
    CON: 35% (+8)
    LDM: 7% (-2)
    SNP: 4% (+1)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    RFM: 3% (-1)

    Via @DeltapollUK, 17-20 Mar.
    Changes w/ 10-13 Mar.

    Finally, a non-outlier.
    Question -
    Are polls you agree with non-outliers? Conversely are polls you disagree with outliers?
    The problem our country suffers from is election results that are the outliers.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135

    eek said:

    Do Manchester United really need Harry Kane when they have Wout Weghorst?

    Tottenham Hotspur would want £100 million in one up-front payment to consider selling Harry Kane this summer.

    The England captain will enter the final year of his contract at the end of this season and Tottenham will demand such a large fee to deter Manchester United, who have placed Kane, 29, on a shortlist of striker targets. Clubs usually pay transfer fees in instalments to preserve their budget.

    Tottenham do not want to sell the forward to a domestic rival and rejected an offer from Manchester City in 2021 worth a guaranteed £75 million, rising to £100 million, when Kane still had three years on his deal.

    United believe it will take a bid of £100 million to open talks but Spurs, who say they have never put a price tag on Kane, know United will not want to be involved in lengthy and complicated negotiations because it could hinder their plans to reshape the attack for next season. United also have bad memories of dealing with Tottenham when they signed Dimitar Berbatov in 2008, which contributed to them not pursuing a move for the former Spurs centre back Toby Alderweireld in 2018.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-kane-transfer-tottenham-hotspur-fnkbrp8bg

    Why on earth would you pay £100m for a player that is approaching the end of their career. Whatever you pay in a transfer fee is going to be a cost you will never recover.
    He is 29. Benzema 35, Lewandowski 34 have if anything improved post 30. It isn't far off a fair price for the buying club, perhaps £80-85m is a workable deal for all.
    Also not a player who relies on pace, so should stay at the top longer. For instance, Michael Owen’s significant knee injury destroyed his greatest asset.
    Yes, that goal vs Argentina in the 98 WC. I thought we'd got the next Maradona. But no.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Nigelb said:

    Interesting thread on Bakhmut. More questions than predictions.

    Thread on Bakhmut. Before talking about the tactical situation, it is important to put it in the strategic context. Ukraine conducted successful offensives in Kharkiv and Kherson after heavy Russian military attrition during the Battle of the Donbas left its lines vulnerable.
    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1637880591898095618

    The Russians should know this plan well, it’s basically Stalingrad in reverse.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,590
    In other news, it looks as though Derby is going to be the new headquarters for Britain's railways:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-65018547

    Woohoo!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    HYUFD said:

    Rupert Murdoch set to marry for 5th time at 92 to a 66 year old

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/65012754

    Fits the magic rule, half your age plus seven…
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135

    Nigelb said:

    Interesting thread on Bakhmut. More questions than predictions.

    Thread on Bakhmut. Before talking about the tactical situation, it is important to put it in the strategic context. Ukraine conducted successful offensives in Kharkiv and Kherson after heavy Russian military attrition during the Battle of the Donbas left its lines vulnerable.
    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1637880591898095618

    IMO there's one great question in this war atm: which side has most reserves at the moment for a push? If one side or the other has a much greater number of reserves, there's going to be an autumn-2022 style movement. If not, then we are looking at more-or-less stalemate for the foreseeable. And I have no idea which side has the most reserves in equipment and men.

    (Apologies to @Anabobazina and @TOPPING).
    Topping is military and doesn't like civilians holding forth on army matters. It's understandable. Doesn't stop him putting the NHS to rights though. Or schools. So, you know.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    GIN1138 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Rupert Murdoch set to marry for 5th time at 92 to a 66 year old

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/65012754

    I bet he has shares in Viagra...
    Marrying a much younger model usually obviates the need for artificial help…
  • Penddu2 said:

    Serious Trump question - what exactly is he being indicted for tommorrow? I know it is to do with Stormy Daniels - but what exactly is illegal???

    Campaign finance violations.

    He used that money to pay hush money to Stormy Daniels.

    Full disclosure. I know someone who has bumped uglies with Stormy Daniels.

    He hates the fact he is custard cousins with Donald Trump.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Evening all.

    Strangest thing I have seen today. They drive amongst us.

    Recalling her "traumatic experience", Jeena Panesar said she lost control of her car in thick fog on a country road, in Swadlincote, Derbyshire, in January.

    The 19-year-old said the car skidded, hit a tree and flipped for 50m (164ft), coming to a stop on its roof.

    She said doctors told her the claw clip contributed to her serious head injury.

    The second-year forensic psychology student, at the University of Derby, said she was returning home from a secondary school placement at about 15:00 GMT on 24 January when the crash happened.


    Student has now launched safety advice. "Don't wear hairclips whilst driving"

    Nothing about don't drive your car in such a way that you lose control of it, drive into a tree and roll it for 50m like Bond in Casino Royale. Such is the future of forensic psychology.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-64966149

    Hey, I went to the UoD for a time, and I've never worn a hair clip! Although I could wear one on my chest hair (#tmi).

    A tip that might be more useful: don't wear high heels whilst driving. I don't know this from experience, obvs,
    Reading local coverage, another tip might be: don't drive down country roads at 50mph when it's foggy.

    50 might be under what she was doing if she rolled that far.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    This is the same NI with the best trading status of any part of the U.K.? That one?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,361
    @Sunil_Prasannan - Do you, or any of the other knowledgeable train people (aka geeks) know why engineering work on the Cardiff - Ebbw Vale line would affect trains between Swansea and Fishguard harbour, but not trains between Bristol Parkway and Swansea, and only on the Monday 27th, but not for the other days of the engineering works (25th - 31st)?

    It looks to me like a glitch in the database, but I don't know whether to rearrange my travel to avoid the Monday anyway, (pointlessly incurring extra cost and having to take more time off work), or just to go ahead and trust that the train will be there? Predictably all of the people I can talk to on the phone are simply using the National Rail Enquiries website, and so know nothing.
  • It has been nearly 13 years and I still haven't recovered from Ann Widdecombe's paso doble.

    Starts 2 mins in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk9iEEpLAvE
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874

    stodge said:

    Evening All :)

    After the curiosities that are People Polling and Deltapoll, Redfield & Wilton shows more stability with a 47-26 Labour lead.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-19-march-2023/

    The data tables are as always informative. The 2019 Conservative vote splits 57% Conservative, 16% Labour, 15% Don't Know and 8% Reform. The 2019 Conservative Don't Knows account for 43% of all the DKs.

    With the DKs removed, the overall Labour lead is 21 but among men it's 16 and among women 26. Among those aged 65 and over, a 47 point Conservative lead has been wiped out so a 23.5% swing among older voters.

    The England only VI is Labour 49%, Conservative 27%, Liberal Democrat 12%, Green 6%, Reform 5%. From 2019, that's a swing of 17.5% from Conservative to Labour and a 10% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat.

    The 238th most marginal Conservative set falls on these numbers suggesting a Conservative Parliamentary party post-election of around 130 MPs.

    Mid-term polling.....

    Swingback, baby, swingback.
    Wishful thinking on your part, more likely.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    HYUFD said:

    Rupert Murdoch set to marry for 5th time at 92 to a 66 year old

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/65012754

    What happened to the last wife - did she get bored of him ?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    GIN1138 said:

    Cookie said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    No shortage of polls atm.

    Anyone would think we're about to have an election with the number of polls at the moment.

    Do the pollster know something we don't?
    Consistent thing in all the polls, Starmer leads Sunak.
    Rishi Rich or Dreary Keith! What a choice....
    I must admit, I quite like Rishi. Possibly my favourite ever PM. He really isn't annoying me at all yet, apart from the mild irritation of his voice. But the only PMs not to have an annoying voice were Truss and Brown.
    Actually, I've been slightly surprised at how well Rishi has done, especially with the NI Protocol deal, which seems to be the closest we're going to get the giving something to all sides.

    Nothing that he has done so far would be enough to change the Tories fate at the next election... but I suspect there are quite a few out there like us who are silently and rather grudgingly impressed with Rishi, especially after trilogy of disaster that was May > Johnson > Truss.
    Somewhat grey figure takes over following more colorful predecessors. Oversees sensible Northern Irish deal and improving economy.

    The only difference is that Major made a fortune in Fund Management after he was Prime Minister.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Interesting article.

    The Unpredictable Abilities Emerging From Large AI Models
    https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-unpredictable-abilities-emerging-from-large-ai-models-20230316/
  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,874
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Rupert Murdoch set to marry for 5th time at 92 to a 66 year old

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/65012754

    What happened to the last wife - did she get bored of him ?
    They couldn't stick together...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,161
    edited March 2023

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Evening all.

    Strangest thing I have seen today. They drive amongst us.

    Recalling her "traumatic experience", Jeena Panesar said she lost control of her car in thick fog on a country road, in Swadlincote, Derbyshire, in January.

    The 19-year-old said the car skidded, hit a tree and flipped for 50m (164ft), coming to a stop on its roof.

    She said doctors told her the claw clip contributed to her serious head injury.

    The second-year forensic psychology student, at the University of Derby, said she was returning home from a secondary school placement at about 15:00 GMT on 24 January when the crash happened.


    Student has now launched safety advice. "Don't wear hairclips whilst driving"

    Nothing about don't drive your car in such a way that you lose control of it, drive into a tree and roll it for 50m like Bond in Casino Royale. Such is the future of forensic psychology.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-64966149

    Hey, I went to the UoD for a time, and I've never worn a hair clip! Although I could wear one on my chest hair (#tmi).

    A tip that might be more useful: don't wear high heels whilst driving. I don't know this from experience, obvs,
    Reading local coverage, another tip might be: don't drive down country roads at 50mph when it's foggy.

    50 might be under what she was doing if she rolled that far.
    Foggy on Jan 24 in the Swadlincote area. Student was from London, so perhaps unfamiliar with country roads in Derbyshire (which are not as deadly as Devon or Fenland, but bad enough).

    I don't know on that one. I'm hesitant to draw parallels with the Cardiff killer driver, but there are parallels of a one car accident with loss of control at far too high speed.

    A public conversation we need to be having somehow; obvs the newspapers are all over "poor girl - never wear hair clips when your car is driving itself dangerously" (without the "dangerously").

    I spun my dad's car off an icy roundabout going too fast 6 weeks after I passed my test. My sister did the same thing to my first car the first time I let her drive it in snow. Both could have killed or hospitalised an innocent third party.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,355
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening All :)

    After the curiosities that are People Polling and Deltapoll, Redfield & Wilton shows more stability with a 47-26 Labour lead.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-19-march-2023/

    The data tables are as always informative. The 2019 Conservative vote splits 57% Conservative, 16% Labour, 15% Don't Know and 8% Reform. The 2019 Conservative Don't Knows account for 43% of all the DKs.

    With the DKs removed, the overall Labour lead is 21 but among men it's 16 and among women 26. Among those aged 65 and over, a 47 point Conservative lead has been wiped out so a 23.5% swing among older voters.

    The England only VI is Labour 49%, Conservative 27%, Liberal Democrat 12%, Green 6%, Reform 5%. From 2019, that's a swing of 17.5% from Conservative to Labour and a 10% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat.

    The 238th most marginal Conservative set falls on these numbers suggesting a Conservative Parliamentary party post-election of around 130 MPs.

    Mid-term polling.....

    Swingback, baby, swingback.
    Wishful thinking on your part, more likely.
    The Conservatives do seem to be hitting 30% with increasing regularity. Hardly an election-winning figure, but safely out of extinction level.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ...
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Rupert Murdoch set to marry for 5th time at 92 to a 66 year old

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/65012754

    What happened to the last wife - did she get bored of him ?
    Jerry went from Brian Ferry to Mick Jagger to the Dirty Digger. A descent that perhaps winds up at Jabba the Hutt?
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    This is rather enigmatic from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence.

    The moon shines in the midst of the sky;the immeasurable vault of heaven seems to have expanded to infinity; the earth is bathed in silver light; the air is warm, voluptuous, and redolent of innumerable sweet scents. A divine night! A magical night!
    Mykola Hohol
    📷@palchyk_online

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1637903081953439744

    Reports coming in of attacks into Crimea.

    ⚡️⚡️Explosions are reported in Dzhankoi, Crimea. Reportedly - drone attack.
    https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1637903422203502593
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,097
    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Interesting thread on Bakhmut. More questions than predictions.

    Thread on Bakhmut. Before talking about the tactical situation, it is important to put it in the strategic context. Ukraine conducted successful offensives in Kharkiv and Kherson after heavy Russian military attrition during the Battle of the Donbas left its lines vulnerable.
    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1637880591898095618

    IMO there's one great question in this war atm: which side has most reserves at the moment for a push? If one side or the other has a much greater number of reserves, there's going to be an autumn-2022 style movement. If not, then we are looking at more-or-less stalemate for the foreseeable. And I have no idea which side has the most reserves in equipment and men.

    (Apologies to @Anabobazina and @TOPPING).
    Topping is military and doesn't like civilians holding forth on army matters. It's understandable. Doesn't stop him putting the NHS to rights though. Or schools. So, you know.
    Speaking of which, I’ve just completed my Master’s in Military History. It’s now down to my examiner to determine if my Dissertation is good enough.
    So long as you didn't cite PB opinions as sources you are probably good.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Rupert Murdoch set to marry for 5th time at 92 to a 66 year old

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/65012754

    What happened to the last wife - did she get bored of him ?
    Well she was Jerry Hall, previously partner of Mick Jagger
  • Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Interesting thread on Bakhmut. More questions than predictions.

    Thread on Bakhmut. Before talking about the tactical situation, it is important to put it in the strategic context. Ukraine conducted successful offensives in Kharkiv and Kherson after heavy Russian military attrition during the Battle of the Donbas left its lines vulnerable.
    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1637880591898095618

    IMO there's one great question in this war atm: which side has most reserves at the moment for a push? If one side or the other has a much greater number of reserves, there's going to be an autumn-2022 style movement. If not, then we are looking at more-or-less stalemate for the foreseeable. And I have no idea which side has the most reserves in equipment and men.

    (Apologies to @Anabobazina and @TOPPING).
    Topping is military and doesn't like civilians holding forth on army matters. It's understandable. Doesn't stop him putting the NHS to rights though. Or schools. So, you know.
    Speaking of which, I’ve just completed my Master’s in Military History. It’s now down to my examiner to determine if my Dissertation is good enough.
    Well done.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,361

    @Sunil_Prasannan - Do you, or any of the other knowledgeable train people (aka geeks) know why engineering work on the Cardiff - Ebbw Vale line would affect trains between Swansea and Fishguard harbour, but not trains between Bristol Parkway and Swansea, and only on the Monday 27th, but not for the other days of the engineering works (25th - 31st)?

    It looks to me like a glitch in the database, but I don't know whether to rearrange my travel to avoid the Monday anyway, (pointlessly incurring extra cost and having to take more time off work), or just to go ahead and trust that the train will be there? Predictably all of the people I can talk to on the phone are simply using the National Rail Enquiries website, and so know nothing.

    Somehow I am now on hold with someone who can see different things on different systems and is phoning someone else to attempt a live reconciliation of the two databases. My evenings are as exciting as my work.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening All :)

    After the curiosities that are People Polling and Deltapoll, Redfield & Wilton shows more stability with a 47-26 Labour lead.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-19-march-2023/

    The data tables are as always informative. The 2019 Conservative vote splits 57% Conservative, 16% Labour, 15% Don't Know and 8% Reform. The 2019 Conservative Don't Knows account for 43% of all the DKs.

    With the DKs removed, the overall Labour lead is 21 but among men it's 16 and among women 26. Among those aged 65 and over, a 47 point Conservative lead has been wiped out so a 23.5% swing among older voters.

    The England only VI is Labour 49%, Conservative 27%, Liberal Democrat 12%, Green 6%, Reform 5%. From 2019, that's a swing of 17.5% from Conservative to Labour and a 10% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat.

    The 238th most marginal Conservative set falls on these numbers suggesting a Conservative Parliamentary party post-election of around 130 MPs.

    Mid-term polling.....

    Swingback, baby, swingback.
    Wishful thinking on your part, more likely.
    The Conservatives do seem to be hitting 30% with increasing regularity. Hardly an election-winning figure, but safely out of extinction level.
    Hmmm, I believe a comedy turn has been booked centre-stage for Wednesday which could have an adverse effect on the improved polling.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Interesting thread on Bakhmut. More questions than predictions.

    Thread on Bakhmut. Before talking about the tactical situation, it is important to put it in the strategic context. Ukraine conducted successful offensives in Kharkiv and Kherson after heavy Russian military attrition during the Battle of the Donbas left its lines vulnerable.
    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1637880591898095618

    IMO there's one great question in this war atm: which side has most reserves at the moment for a push? If one side or the other has a much greater number of reserves, there's going to be an autumn-2022 style movement. If not, then we are looking at more-or-less stalemate for the foreseeable. And I have no idea which side has the most reserves in equipment and men.

    (Apologies to @Anabobazina and @TOPPING).
    Topping is military and doesn't like civilians holding forth on army matters. It's understandable. Doesn't stop him putting the NHS to rights though. Or schools. So, you know.
    Speaking of which, I’ve just completed my Master’s in Military History. It’s now down to my examiner to determine if my Dissertation is good enough.
    Now military historian or General?
  • IanB2 said:

    Election Maps UK

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (-5)
    CON: 35% (+8)
    LDM: 7% (-2)
    SNP: 4% (+1)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    RFM: 3% (-1)

    Via @DeltapollUK, 17-20 Mar.
    Changes w/ 10-13 Mar.

    And for contrast

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 20% (-3)
    GRN: 13% (+3)
    LDM: 9% (+1)
    RFM: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 5% (+1)

    Via @PeoplePolling, 17 Mar.
    Changes w/ 8 Mar.

    One of those Tory poll ratings is seriously wrong. Obvs.
    The obvious question would be do we think it's more likely the Greens are 13% or 4%. My guess is more the latter.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,361

    @Sunil_Prasannan - Do you, or any of the other knowledgeable train people (aka geeks) know why engineering work on the Cardiff - Ebbw Vale line would affect trains between Swansea and Fishguard harbour, but not trains between Bristol Parkway and Swansea, and only on the Monday 27th, but not for the other days of the engineering works (25th - 31st)?

    It looks to me like a glitch in the database, but I don't know whether to rearrange my travel to avoid the Monday anyway, (pointlessly incurring extra cost and having to take more time off work), or just to go ahead and trust that the train will be there? Predictably all of the people I can talk to on the phone are simply using the National Rail Enquiries website, and so know nothing.

    Somehow I am now on hold with someone who can see different things on different systems and is phoning someone else to attempt a live reconciliation of the two databases. My evenings are as exciting as my work.
    And there *is* a rail replacement bus, so I can still make the ferry! Hurrah. Kinda.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,590
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Evening all.

    Strangest thing I have seen today. They drive amongst us.

    Recalling her "traumatic experience", Jeena Panesar said she lost control of her car in thick fog on a country road, in Swadlincote, Derbyshire, in January.

    The 19-year-old said the car skidded, hit a tree and flipped for 50m (164ft), coming to a stop on its roof.

    She said doctors told her the claw clip contributed to her serious head injury.

    The second-year forensic psychology student, at the University of Derby, said she was returning home from a secondary school placement at about 15:00 GMT on 24 January when the crash happened.


    Student has now launched safety advice. "Don't wear hairclips whilst driving"

    Nothing about don't drive your car in such a way that you lose control of it, drive into a tree and roll it for 50m like Bond in Casino Royale. Such is the future of forensic psychology.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-64966149

    Hey, I went to the UoD for a time, and I've never worn a hair clip! Although I could wear one on my chest hair (#tmi).

    A tip that might be more useful: don't wear high heels whilst driving. I don't know this from experience, obvs,
    Reading local coverage, another tip might be: don't drive down country roads at 50mph when it's foggy.

    50 might be under what she was doing if she rolled that far.
    I don't know on that one. I'm hesitant to draw parallels with the Cardiff killer driver, but there are parallels of a one car accident with loss of control at far too high speed.

    A public conversation we need to be having somehow; obvs the newspapers are all over "poor girl - never wear hair clips when your car is driving itself dangerously" (without the "dangerously").

    I spun my dad's car off an icy roundabout going too fast 6 weeks after I passed my test. My sister did the same thing to my first car the first time I let her drive it in snow. Both could have killed or hospitalised an innocent third party.
    I think everyone - if they are honest - will have stories about their driving that comes into the "but for the grace of God..." category. I certainly have. When my Land Rover engine caught fire. When my Land Rover lost all electrics in fog on the tops between Chesterfield and Matlock. When I spun my Land Rover ?360? degrees on slippery roads outside Longcliffe Quarry (*)

    Despite my dad continuously saying that when you pass your test, you're still a learner.

    It's when people do utterly stupid things, or don't admit they did something wrong. Which is why I don't have much sympathy for Gary Hart. He did something stupid, but always said he was in the right.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selby_rail_crash

    (*) There are two common factors here: me, and a Land Rover. I loved that car...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,161

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Evening all.

    Strangest thing I have seen today. They drive amongst us.

    Recalling her "traumatic experience", Jeena Panesar said she lost control of her car in thick fog on a country road, in Swadlincote, Derbyshire, in January.

    The 19-year-old said the car skidded, hit a tree and flipped for 50m (164ft), coming to a stop on its roof.

    She said doctors told her the claw clip contributed to her serious head injury.

    The second-year forensic psychology student, at the University of Derby, said she was returning home from a secondary school placement at about 15:00 GMT on 24 January when the crash happened.


    Student has now launched safety advice. "Don't wear hairclips whilst driving"

    Nothing about don't drive your car in such a way that you lose control of it, drive into a tree and roll it for 50m like Bond in Casino Royale. Such is the future of forensic psychology.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-64966149

    Hey, I went to the UoD for a time, and I've never worn a hair clip! Although I could wear one on my chest hair (#tmi).

    A tip that might be more useful: don't wear high heels whilst driving. I don't know this from experience, obvs,
    Reading local coverage, another tip might be: don't drive down country roads at 50mph when it's foggy.

    50 might be under what she was doing if she rolled that far.
    I don't know on that one. I'm hesitant to draw parallels with the Cardiff killer driver, but there are parallels of a one car accident with loss of control at far too high speed.

    A public conversation we need to be having somehow; obvs the newspapers are all over "poor girl - never wear hair clips when your car is driving itself dangerously" (without the "dangerously").

    I spun my dad's car off an icy roundabout going too fast 6 weeks after I passed my test. My sister did the same thing to my first car the first time I let her drive it in snow. Both could have killed or hospitalised an innocent third party.
    I think everyone - if they are honest - will have stories about their driving that comes into the "but for the grace of God..." category. I certainly have. When my Land Rover engine caught fire. When my Land Rover lost all electrics in fog on the tops between Chesterfield and Matlock. When I spun my Land Rover ?360? degrees on slippery roads outside Longcliffe Quarry (*)

    Despite my dad continuously saying that when you pass your test, you're still a learner.

    It's when people do utterly stupid things, or don't admit they did something wrong. Which is why I don't have much sympathy for Gary Hart. He did something stupid, but always said he was in the right.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selby_rail_crash

    (*) There are two common factors here: me, and a Land Rover. I loved that car...
    I've been trying to keep an eye on some reports for some time, which is a little frightening. Especially around injuries on innocent parties, poor eyesight, circumlocution, cars that are responsible for driving themselves in the press, and so on.

    There was a statement in a book I read decades ago that "experienced in using roads" starts at half a million miles.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Interesting thread on Bakhmut. More questions than predictions.

    Thread on Bakhmut. Before talking about the tactical situation, it is important to put it in the strategic context. Ukraine conducted successful offensives in Kharkiv and Kherson after heavy Russian military attrition during the Battle of the Donbas left its lines vulnerable.
    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1637880591898095618

    IMO there's one great question in this war atm: which side has most reserves at the moment for a push? If one side or the other has a much greater number of reserves, there's going to be an autumn-2022 style movement. If not, then we are looking at more-or-less stalemate for the foreseeable. And I have no idea which side has the most reserves in equipment and men.

    (Apologies to @Anabobazina and @TOPPING).
    Topping is military and doesn't like civilians holding forth on army matters. It's understandable. Doesn't stop him putting the NHS to rights though. Or schools. So, you know.
    Speaking of which, I’ve just completed my Master’s in Military History. It’s now down to my examiner to determine if my Dissertation is good enough.
    Sure it will be - but good luck.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Cookie said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    No shortage of polls atm.

    Anyone would think we're about to have an election with the number of polls at the moment.

    Do the pollster know something we don't?
    Consistent thing in all the polls, Starmer leads Sunak.
    Rishi Rich or Dreary Keith! What a choice....
    I must admit, I quite like Rishi. Possibly my favourite ever PM. He really isn't annoying me at all yet, apart from the mild irritation of his voice. But the only PMs not to have an annoying voice were Truss and Brown.
    Actually, I've been slightly surprised at how well Rishi has done, especially with the NI Protocol deal, which seems to be the closest we're going to get the giving something to all sides.

    Nothing that he has done so far would be enough to change the Tories fate at the next election... but I suspect there are quite a few out there like us who are silently and rather grudgingly impressed with Rishi, especially after trilogy of disaster that was May > Johnson > Truss.
    Somewhat grey figure takes over following more colorful predecessors. Oversees sensible Northern Irish deal and improving economy.

    The only difference is that Major made a fortune in Fund Management after he was Prime Minister.
    Major laid the groundwork but didn’t get any sort of deal sadly, unless you count the Downing Street declaration.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,590

    @Sunil_Prasannan - Do you, or any of the other knowledgeable train people (aka geeks) know why engineering work on the Cardiff - Ebbw Vale line would affect trains between Swansea and Fishguard harbour, but not trains between Bristol Parkway and Swansea, and only on the Monday 27th, but not for the other days of the engineering works (25th - 31st)?

    It looks to me like a glitch in the database, but I don't know whether to rearrange my travel to avoid the Monday anyway, (pointlessly incurring extra cost and having to take more time off work), or just to go ahead and trust that the train will be there? Predictably all of the people I can talk to on the phone are simply using the National Rail Enquiries website, and so know nothing.

    No idea, but railways are complex systems. It might just be available staff: the works mean that trains are in the 'wrong' places, and cannot get to where they are needed for the trains. Or the works disable a necessary set of pointwork or signalling. Or they just want to inconvenience you. :)
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    Reading anything at all into mid-term polls is obviously a mugs game.

    But

    At what point is the narrative going to shift a bit if Starmer doesn’t completely blow the doors off this May?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,634
    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Cookie said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    No shortage of polls atm.

    Anyone would think we're about to have an election with the number of polls at the moment.

    Do the pollster know something we don't?
    Consistent thing in all the polls, Starmer leads Sunak.
    Rishi Rich or Dreary Keith! What a choice....
    I must admit, I quite like Rishi. Possibly my favourite ever PM. He really isn't annoying me at all yet, apart from the mild irritation of his voice. But the only PMs not to have an annoying voice were Truss and Brown.
    Actually, I've been slightly surprised at how well Rishi has done, especially with the NI Protocol deal, which seems to be the closest we're going to get the giving something to all sides.

    Nothing that he has done so far would be enough to change the Tories fate at the next election... but I suspect there are quite a few out there like us who are silently and rather grudgingly impressed with Rishi, especially after trilogy of disaster that was May > Johnson > Truss.
    Somewhat grey figure takes over following more colorful predecessors. Oversees sensible Northern Irish deal and improving economy.

    The only difference is that Major made a fortune in Fund Management after he was Prime Minister.
    Major was also the last PM to face a serious assassination attempt.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863

    IanB2 said:

    Election Maps UK

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (-5)
    CON: 35% (+8)
    LDM: 7% (-2)
    SNP: 4% (+1)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    RFM: 3% (-1)

    Via @DeltapollUK, 17-20 Mar.
    Changes w/ 10-13 Mar.

    And for contrast

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 20% (-3)
    GRN: 13% (+3)
    LDM: 9% (+1)
    RFM: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 5% (+1)

    Via @PeoplePolling, 17 Mar.
    Changes w/ 8 Mar.

    One of those Tory poll ratings is seriously wrong. Obvs.
    The obvious question would be do we think it's more likely the Greens are 13% or 4%. My guess is more the latter.
    True, but ask the same question of the Tories, and do we think they could really be back at 35%?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,831
    AlistairM said:

    This is rather enigmatic from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence.

    The moon shines in the midst of the sky;the immeasurable vault of heaven seems to have expanded to infinity; the earth is bathed in silver light; the air is warm, voluptuous, and redolent of innumerable sweet scents. A divine night! A magical night!
    Mykola Hohol
    📷@palchyk_online

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1637903081953439744

    Reports coming in of attacks into Crimea.

    ⚡️⚡️Explosions are reported in Dzhankoi, Crimea. Reportedly - drone attack.
    https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1637903422203502593

    I think a counterattack has already started.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,097
    biggles said:

    Reading anything at all into mid-term polls is obviously a mugs game.

    But

    At what point is the narrative going to shift a bit if Starmer doesn’t completely blow the doors off this May?

    He will. Unless he's Corbyn Labour should be making good gains at the locals, even if they go on to lose the GE.

    But I reckon if the Tories can get to a more regular 10-15 behind that concern will set in. That's the kind of leader that could be eaten into enough to prevent victory.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,097
    Good price per shell?

    More than a dozen European Union member states have agreed to supply Ukraine with at least one million artillery shells over the next year.

    The plan, worth €2bn in total, was agreed in Brussels on Monday.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65018434
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,097
    DavidL said:

    AlistairM said:

    This is rather enigmatic from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence.

    The moon shines in the midst of the sky;the immeasurable vault of heaven seems to have expanded to infinity; the earth is bathed in silver light; the air is warm, voluptuous, and redolent of innumerable sweet scents. A divine night! A magical night!
    Mykola Hohol
    📷@palchyk_online

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1637903081953439744

    Reports coming in of attacks into Crimea.

    ⚡️⚡️Explosions are reported in Dzhankoi, Crimea. Reportedly - drone attack.
    https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1637903422203502593

    I think a counterattack has already started.
    It's been trailed for months that the Ukrainians would be launching their own offensive - hopefully the Russians have done a poor job digging in.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,590

    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Cookie said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    No shortage of polls atm.

    Anyone would think we're about to have an election with the number of polls at the moment.

    Do the pollster know something we don't?
    Consistent thing in all the polls, Starmer leads Sunak.
    Rishi Rich or Dreary Keith! What a choice....
    I must admit, I quite like Rishi. Possibly my favourite ever PM. He really isn't annoying me at all yet, apart from the mild irritation of his voice. But the only PMs not to have an annoying voice were Truss and Brown.
    Actually, I've been slightly surprised at how well Rishi has done, especially with the NI Protocol deal, which seems to be the closest we're going to get the giving something to all sides.

    Nothing that he has done so far would be enough to change the Tories fate at the next election... but I suspect there are quite a few out there like us who are silently and rather grudgingly impressed with Rishi, especially after trilogy of disaster that was May > Johnson > Truss.
    Somewhat grey figure takes over following more colorful predecessors. Oversees sensible Northern Irish deal and improving economy.

    The only difference is that Major made a fortune in Fund Management after he was Prime Minister.
    Major was also the last PM to face a serious assassination attempt.
    In my local town of St Neots, there's a plaque commemorating the ?last? person to successfully assassinate a PM.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bellingham#/media/File:Bellingham_plaque.png
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    @Sunil_Prasannan - Do you, or any of the other knowledgeable train people (aka geeks) know why engineering work on the Cardiff - Ebbw Vale line would affect trains between Swansea and Fishguard harbour, but not trains between Bristol Parkway and Swansea, and only on the Monday 27th, but not for the other days of the engineering works (25th - 31st)?

    It looks to me like a glitch in the database, but I don't know whether to rearrange my travel to avoid the Monday anyway, (pointlessly incurring extra cost and having to take more time off work), or just to go ahead and trust that the train will be there? Predictably all of the people I can talk to on the phone are simply using the National Rail Enquiries website, and so know nothing.

    Honest answer - not sure! The Ebbw Vale line is a branch line, and shouldn't interfere with the South Wales main line!
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    edited March 2023
    DavidL said:

    AlistairM said:

    This is rather enigmatic from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence.

    The moon shines in the midst of the sky;the immeasurable vault of heaven seems to have expanded to infinity; the earth is bathed in silver light; the air is warm, voluptuous, and redolent of innumerable sweet scents. A divine night! A magical night!
    Mykola Hohol
    📷@palchyk_online

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1637903081953439744

    Reports coming in of attacks into Crimea.

    ⚡️⚡️Explosions are reported in Dzhankoi, Crimea. Reportedly - drone attack.
    https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1637903422203502593

    I think a counterattack has already started.
    ⚡️⚡️It seems that the Ukrainian military for the first time used the latest kamikaze drones to attack the occupied Crimea

    https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1637908446182817793

    Edit: Looks very much like a V1 but with no doubt much improved accuracy.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811
    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening All :)

    After the curiosities that are People Polling and Deltapoll, Redfield & Wilton shows more stability with a 47-26 Labour lead.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-19-march-2023/

    The data tables are as always informative. The 2019 Conservative vote splits 57% Conservative, 16% Labour, 15% Don't Know and 8% Reform. The 2019 Conservative Don't Knows account for 43% of all the DKs.

    With the DKs removed, the overall Labour lead is 21 but among men it's 16 and among women 26. Among those aged 65 and over, a 47 point Conservative lead has been wiped out so a 23.5% swing among older voters.

    The England only VI is Labour 49%, Conservative 27%, Liberal Democrat 12%, Green 6%, Reform 5%. From 2019, that's a swing of 17.5% from Conservative to Labour and a 10% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat.

    The 238th most marginal Conservative set falls on these numbers suggesting a Conservative Parliamentary party post-election of around 130 MPs.

    Mid-term polling.....

    Swingback, baby, swingback.
    Wishful thinking on your part, more likely.
    The Conservatives do seem to be hitting 30% with increasing regularity. Hardly an election-winning figure, but safely out of extinction level.
    And if the government proves itself to be dully competent over the next 18 months voters will be loathe to change for an unproven party promising dull competence. If Labour had spent the last couple of years building a policy platform as to why we should vote for them they'd have a completely impenetrable lead. Since they haven't there is still a route for the Tories to cling on with a 1992 style victory but it requires everything to go right for them.

    Supposedly the major hurdles for Rwanda deportations are set to be cleared in the next few weeks before the summer migrant surge. If that's actually the case and not just Tory ramping I think they will get a big boost in the polls for it plus inflation is definitely falling now and even the gloomy OBR are suggesting by the summer workers will be back to real terms pay rises.

    The other random factor that I think works for the government is the lack of financial turmoil as some parts of the world enter crisis mode. While it's not necessarily the most noticeable subject if it does explode in the US and Germany with bailouts and taxpayer money being spent while the UK sector just keeps going as normal that will be yet another dull competence point in favour.

    Basically Starmer could dull his way into Number 10 against Boris or Liz Truss, I think another 18 months of dull competence by Rishi will make it much more difficult and Rishi may dull his way to a slim majority or workable minority.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,135
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Rupert Murdoch set to marry for 5th time at 92 to a 66 year old

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/65012754

    What happened to the last wife - did she get bored of him ?
    Well she was Jerry Hall, previously partner of Mick Jagger
    Mick won her from Bryan by losing to him at pool. She found his haplessness amongst the balls endearing. Not sure what happened with Rupert.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,097

    rcs1000 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Cookie said:

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    No shortage of polls atm.

    Anyone would think we're about to have an election with the number of polls at the moment.

    Do the pollster know something we don't?
    Consistent thing in all the polls, Starmer leads Sunak.
    Rishi Rich or Dreary Keith! What a choice....
    I must admit, I quite like Rishi. Possibly my favourite ever PM. He really isn't annoying me at all yet, apart from the mild irritation of his voice. But the only PMs not to have an annoying voice were Truss and Brown.
    Actually, I've been slightly surprised at how well Rishi has done, especially with the NI Protocol deal, which seems to be the closest we're going to get the giving something to all sides.

    Nothing that he has done so far would be enough to change the Tories fate at the next election... but I suspect there are quite a few out there like us who are silently and rather grudgingly impressed with Rishi, especially after trilogy of disaster that was May > Johnson > Truss.
    Somewhat grey figure takes over following more colorful predecessors. Oversees sensible Northern Irish deal and improving economy.

    The only difference is that Major made a fortune in Fund Management after he was Prime Minister.
    Major was also the last PM to face a serious assassination attempt.
    In my local town of St Neots, there's a plaque commemorating the ?last? person to successfully assassinate a PM.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bellingham#/media/File:Bellingham_plaque.png
    Well, you certainly wouldn't see this today - he'd probably still be on remand a year later before he was tried, let alone executed.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447

    Election Maps UK

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (-5)
    CON: 35% (+8)
    LDM: 7% (-2)
    SNP: 4% (+1)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    RFM: 3% (-1)

    Via @DeltapollUK, 17-20 Mar.
    Changes w/ 10-13 Mar.

    And for contrast

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 20% (-3)
    GRN: 13% (+3)
    LDM: 9% (+1)
    RFM: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 5% (+1)

    Via @PeoplePolling, 17 Mar.
    Changes w/ 8 Mar.

    Seems unlikely that both are on the money.
    They could be both off the money.

    I doubt Labour + Green combined are at near 60% of the electorate.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,590
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Evening all.

    Strangest thing I have seen today. They drive amongst us.

    Recalling her "traumatic experience", Jeena Panesar said she lost control of her car in thick fog on a country road, in Swadlincote, Derbyshire, in January.

    The 19-year-old said the car skidded, hit a tree and flipped for 50m (164ft), coming to a stop on its roof.

    She said doctors told her the claw clip contributed to her serious head injury.

    The second-year forensic psychology student, at the University of Derby, said she was returning home from a secondary school placement at about 15:00 GMT on 24 January when the crash happened.


    Student has now launched safety advice. "Don't wear hairclips whilst driving"

    Nothing about don't drive your car in such a way that you lose control of it, drive into a tree and roll it for 50m like Bond in Casino Royale. Such is the future of forensic psychology.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-64966149

    Hey, I went to the UoD for a time, and I've never worn a hair clip! Although I could wear one on my chest hair (#tmi).

    A tip that might be more useful: don't wear high heels whilst driving. I don't know this from experience, obvs,
    Reading local coverage, another tip might be: don't drive down country roads at 50mph when it's foggy.

    50 might be under what she was doing if she rolled that far.
    I don't know on that one. I'm hesitant to draw parallels with the Cardiff killer driver, but there are parallels of a one car accident with loss of control at far too high speed.

    A public conversation we need to be having somehow; obvs the newspapers are all over "poor girl - never wear hair clips when your car is driving itself dangerously" (without the "dangerously").

    I spun my dad's car off an icy roundabout going too fast 6 weeks after I passed my test. My sister did the same thing to my first car the first time I let her drive it in snow. Both could have killed or hospitalised an innocent third party.
    I think everyone - if they are honest - will have stories about their driving that comes into the "but for the grace of God..." category. I certainly have. When my Land Rover engine caught fire. When my Land Rover lost all electrics in fog on the tops between Chesterfield and Matlock. When I spun my Land Rover ?360? degrees on slippery roads outside Longcliffe Quarry (*)

    Despite my dad continuously saying that when you pass your test, you're still a learner.

    It's when people do utterly stupid things, or don't admit they did something wrong. Which is why I don't have much sympathy for Gary Hart. He did something stupid, but always said he was in the right.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selby_rail_crash

    (*) There are two common factors here: me, and a Land Rover. I loved that car...
    I've been trying to keep an eye on some reports for some time, which is a little frightening. Especially around injuries on innocent parties, poor eyesight, circumlocution, cars that are responsible for driving themselves in the press, and so on.

    There was a statement in a book I read decades ago that "experienced in using roads" starts at half a million miles.
    Forty/fifty years ago, there was a spate of liquid tankers (petrolchemical and chemicals) overturning on roundabouts for *no reason*. At least, no reason they could discern. The tankers were within the speed limits, were well maintained and were being driven sensibly, but they would overturn. Sometimes at relatively low speed.

    My dad's company had to help clean up after such a spill. My *guess* would be that it was a combination of the road camber, the trailer's suspension, the roundabout layout, the speed, the baffle layout within the tanker, and the level they were filled to.

    I don't hear of it happening nowadays.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening All :)

    After the curiosities that are People Polling and Deltapoll, Redfield & Wilton shows more stability with a 47-26 Labour lead.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-19-march-2023/

    The data tables are as always informative. The 2019 Conservative vote splits 57% Conservative, 16% Labour, 15% Don't Know and 8% Reform. The 2019 Conservative Don't Knows account for 43% of all the DKs.

    With the DKs removed, the overall Labour lead is 21 but among men it's 16 and among women 26. Among those aged 65 and over, a 47 point Conservative lead has been wiped out so a 23.5% swing among older voters.

    The England only VI is Labour 49%, Conservative 27%, Liberal Democrat 12%, Green 6%, Reform 5%. From 2019, that's a swing of 17.5% from Conservative to Labour and a 10% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat.

    The 238th most marginal Conservative set falls on these numbers suggesting a Conservative Parliamentary party post-election of around 130 MPs.

    Mid-term polling.....

    Swingback, baby, swingback.
    Wishful thinking on your part, more likely.
    The Conservatives do seem to be hitting 30% with increasing regularity. Hardly an election-winning figure, but safely out of extinction level.
    Which is clearly seriously upsetting some people on here.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,361
    kle4 said:

    Good price per shell?

    More than a dozen European Union member states have agreed to supply Ukraine with at least one million artillery shells over the next year.

    The plan, worth €2bn in total, was agreed in Brussels on Monday.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65018434

    I've no idea, but if they'd decided to do this 8 or so months ago, back when they first started sending 155mm artillery pieces to Ukraine, then extra production would already be underway, and it probably wouldn't have costed as much. Everything is so slow.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening All :)

    After the curiosities that are People Polling and Deltapoll, Redfield & Wilton shows more stability with a 47-26 Labour lead.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-19-march-2023/

    The data tables are as always informative. The 2019 Conservative vote splits 57% Conservative, 16% Labour, 15% Don't Know and 8% Reform. The 2019 Conservative Don't Knows account for 43% of all the DKs.

    With the DKs removed, the overall Labour lead is 21 but among men it's 16 and among women 26. Among those aged 65 and over, a 47 point Conservative lead has been wiped out so a 23.5% swing among older voters.

    The England only VI is Labour 49%, Conservative 27%, Liberal Democrat 12%, Green 6%, Reform 5%. From 2019, that's a swing of 17.5% from Conservative to Labour and a 10% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat.

    The 238th most marginal Conservative set falls on these numbers suggesting a Conservative Parliamentary party post-election of around 130 MPs.

    Mid-term polling.....

    Swingback, baby, swingback.
    Wishful thinking on your part, more likely.
    The Conservatives do seem to be hitting 30% with increasing regularity. Hardly an election-winning figure, but safely out of extinction level.
    Which is clearly seriously upsetting some people on here.
    Yes I think they're worried that Rishi's approach of just quietly getting on with stuff is working and Labour have wasted the better part of 3 years saying nothing to voters while the Tory party tore lumps out of itself.
  • AlistairMAlistairM Posts: 2,005
    AlistairM said:

    DavidL said:

    AlistairM said:

    This is rather enigmatic from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence.

    The moon shines in the midst of the sky;the immeasurable vault of heaven seems to have expanded to infinity; the earth is bathed in silver light; the air is warm, voluptuous, and redolent of innumerable sweet scents. A divine night! A magical night!
    Mykola Hohol
    📷@palchyk_online

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1637903081953439744

    Reports coming in of attacks into Crimea.

    ⚡️⚡️Explosions are reported in Dzhankoi, Crimea. Reportedly - drone attack.
    https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1637903422203502593

    I think a counterattack has already started.
    ⚡️⚡️It seems that the Ukrainian military for the first time used the latest kamikaze drones to attack the occupied Crimea

    https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1637908446182817793

    Edit: Looks very much like a V1 but with no doubt much improved accuracy.
    Video of new drone. Launched off the back of what looks like an open-backed white Ford Transit. This is a white van man you don't want to cross.

    ⚡️⚡️The sound of a new Ukrainian kamikaze drone is similar to the sound that just attacked a military facility in occupied Crimea
    https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1637910431179198466
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,590
    kle4 said:

    Good price per shell?

    More than a dozen European Union member states have agreed to supply Ukraine with at least one million artillery shells over the next year.

    The plan, worth €2bn in total, was agreed in Brussels on Monday.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65018434

    There have been some interesting (for me, at least) videos and articles recently showing what is required to make a shell casing. And it's surprisingly complex.

    https://time.com/6252541/inside-the-us-army-plant-making-artillery-shells-for-ukraine/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj8KjjZVZYw
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening All :)

    After the curiosities that are People Polling and Deltapoll, Redfield & Wilton shows more stability with a 47-26 Labour lead.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-19-march-2023/

    The data tables are as always informative. The 2019 Conservative vote splits 57% Conservative, 16% Labour, 15% Don't Know and 8% Reform. The 2019 Conservative Don't Knows account for 43% of all the DKs.

    With the DKs removed, the overall Labour lead is 21 but among men it's 16 and among women 26. Among those aged 65 and over, a 47 point Conservative lead has been wiped out so a 23.5% swing among older voters.

    The England only VI is Labour 49%, Conservative 27%, Liberal Democrat 12%, Green 6%, Reform 5%. From 2019, that's a swing of 17.5% from Conservative to Labour and a 10% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat.

    The 238th most marginal Conservative set falls on these numbers suggesting a Conservative Parliamentary party post-election of around 130 MPs.

    Mid-term polling.....

    Swingback, baby, swingback.
    Wishful thinking on your part, more likely.
    The Conservatives do seem to be hitting 30% with increasing regularity. Hardly an election-winning figure, but safely out of extinction level.
    Which is clearly seriously upsetting some people on here.
    Who?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening All :)

    After the curiosities that are People Polling and Deltapoll, Redfield & Wilton shows more stability with a 47-26 Labour lead.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-19-march-2023/

    The data tables are as always informative. The 2019 Conservative vote splits 57% Conservative, 16% Labour, 15% Don't Know and 8% Reform. The 2019 Conservative Don't Knows account for 43% of all the DKs.

    With the DKs removed, the overall Labour lead is 21 but among men it's 16 and among women 26. Among those aged 65 and over, a 47 point Conservative lead has been wiped out so a 23.5% swing among older voters.

    The England only VI is Labour 49%, Conservative 27%, Liberal Democrat 12%, Green 6%, Reform 5%. From 2019, that's a swing of 17.5% from Conservative to Labour and a 10% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat.

    The 238th most marginal Conservative set falls on these numbers suggesting a Conservative Parliamentary party post-election of around 130 MPs.

    Mid-term polling.....

    Swingback, baby, swingback.
    Wishful thinking on your part, more likely.
    The Conservatives do seem to be hitting 30% with increasing regularity. Hardly an election-winning figure, but safely out of extinction level.
    Which is clearly seriously upsetting some people on here.
    Yes I think they're worried that Rishi's approach of just quietly getting on with stuff is working and Labour have wasted the better part of 3 years saying nothing to voters while the Tory party tore lumps out of itself.
    Who is this “they” you speak of?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening All :)

    After the curiosities that are People Polling and Deltapoll, Redfield & Wilton shows more stability with a 47-26 Labour lead.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-19-march-2023/

    The data tables are as always informative. The 2019 Conservative vote splits 57% Conservative, 16% Labour, 15% Don't Know and 8% Reform. The 2019 Conservative Don't Knows account for 43% of all the DKs.

    With the DKs removed, the overall Labour lead is 21 but among men it's 16 and among women 26. Among those aged 65 and over, a 47 point Conservative lead has been wiped out so a 23.5% swing among older voters.

    The England only VI is Labour 49%, Conservative 27%, Liberal Democrat 12%, Green 6%, Reform 5%. From 2019, that's a swing of 17.5% from Conservative to Labour and a 10% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat.

    The 238th most marginal Conservative set falls on these numbers suggesting a Conservative Parliamentary party post-election of around 130 MPs.

    Mid-term polling.....

    Swingback, baby, swingback.
    Wishful thinking on your part, more likely.
    The Conservatives do seem to be hitting 30% with increasing regularity. Hardly an election-winning figure, but safely out of extinction level.
    And if the government proves itself to be dully competent over the next 18 months voters will be loathe to change for an unproven party promising dull competence. If Labour had spent the last couple of years building a policy platform as to why we should vote for them they'd have a completely impenetrable lead. Since they haven't there is still a route for the Tories to cling on with a 1992 style victory but it requires everything to go right for them.

    Supposedly the major hurdles for Rwanda deportations are set to be cleared in the next few weeks before the summer migrant surge. If that's actually the case and not just Tory ramping I think they will get a big boost in the polls for it plus inflation is definitely falling now and even the gloomy OBR are suggesting by the summer workers will be back to real terms pay rises.

    The other random factor that I think works for the government is the lack of financial turmoil as some parts of the world enter crisis mode. While it's not necessarily the most noticeable subject if it does explode in the US and Germany with bailouts and taxpayer money being spent while the UK sector just keeps going as normal that will be yet another dull competence point in favour.

    Basically Starmer could dull his way into Number 10 against Boris or Liz Truss, I think another 18 months of dull competence by Rishi will make it much more difficult and Rishi may dull his way to a slim majority or workable minority.
    The redwall has probably gone back to Labour, the key swing voters at the next general election will likely be those who voted for Blair or LD in 2010 but have voted Conservative since. They will decide whether Rishi is narrowly re elected or Sir Keir ends up PM after the election
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565
    In case this should impact your ice cream choice:

    https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/1637779658526556160
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,097
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Interesting thread on Bakhmut. More questions than predictions.

    Thread on Bakhmut. Before talking about the tactical situation, it is important to put it in the strategic context. Ukraine conducted successful offensives in Kharkiv and Kherson after heavy Russian military attrition during the Battle of the Donbas left its lines vulnerable.
    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1637880591898095618

    IMO there's one great question in this war atm: which side has most reserves at the moment for a push? If one side or the other has a much greater number of reserves, there's going to be an autumn-2022 style movement. If not, then we are looking at more-or-less stalemate for the foreseeable. And I have no idea which side has the most reserves in equipment and men.

    (Apologies to @Anabobazina and @TOPPING).
    Topping is military and doesn't like civilians holding forth on army matters. It's understandable. Doesn't stop him putting the NHS to rights though. Or schools. So, you know.
    Speaking of which, I’ve just completed my Master’s in Military History. It’s now down to my examiner to determine if my Dissertation is good enough.
    Well done.
    Many thanks. It’s on the Spanish contribution to Allied victory in the Peninsular War (much greater in fact, than traditional historiography has held).
    I refuse to believe Bernard Cornwell's documentary series on the Peninsula War was incorrect.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Interesting thread on Bakhmut. More questions than predictions.

    Thread on Bakhmut. Before talking about the tactical situation, it is important to put it in the strategic context. Ukraine conducted successful offensives in Kharkiv and Kherson after heavy Russian military attrition during the Battle of the Donbas left its lines vulnerable.
    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1637880591898095618

    IMO there's one great question in this war atm: which side has most reserves at the moment for a push? If one side or the other has a much greater number of reserves, there's going to be an autumn-2022 style movement. If not, then we are looking at more-or-less stalemate for the foreseeable. And I have no idea which side has the most reserves in equipment and men.

    (Apologies to @Anabobazina and @TOPPING).
    Topping is military and doesn't like civilians holding forth on army matters. It's understandable. Doesn't stop him putting the NHS to rights though. Or schools. So, you know.
    Speaking of which, I’ve just completed my Master’s in Military History. It’s now down to my examiner to determine if my Dissertation is good enough.
    Well done.
    Many thanks. It’s on the Spanish contribution to Allied victory in the Peninsular War (much greater in fact, than traditional historiography has held).
    Are you suggesting that the contribution of the guerillas has been the subject of monkey business?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,929
    AlistairM said:

    AlistairM said:

    DavidL said:

    AlistairM said:

    This is rather enigmatic from the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence.

    The moon shines in the midst of the sky;the immeasurable vault of heaven seems to have expanded to infinity; the earth is bathed in silver light; the air is warm, voluptuous, and redolent of innumerable sweet scents. A divine night! A magical night!
    Mykola Hohol
    📷@palchyk_online

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1637903081953439744

    Reports coming in of attacks into Crimea.

    ⚡️⚡️Explosions are reported in Dzhankoi, Crimea. Reportedly - drone attack.
    https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1637903422203502593

    I think a counterattack has already started.
    ⚡️⚡️It seems that the Ukrainian military for the first time used the latest kamikaze drones to attack the occupied Crimea

    https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1637908446182817793

    Edit: Looks very much like a V1 but with no doubt much improved accuracy.
    Video of new drone. Launched off the back of what looks like an open-backed white Ford Transit. This is a white van man you don't want to cross.

    ⚡️⚡️The sound of a new Ukrainian kamikaze drone is similar to the sound that just attacked a military facility in occupied Crimea
    https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1637910431179198466
    Thornberry, take note.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening All :)

    After the curiosities that are People Polling and Deltapoll, Redfield & Wilton shows more stability with a 47-26 Labour lead.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-19-march-2023/

    The data tables are as always informative. The 2019 Conservative vote splits 57% Conservative, 16% Labour, 15% Don't Know and 8% Reform. The 2019 Conservative Don't Knows account for 43% of all the DKs.

    With the DKs removed, the overall Labour lead is 21 but among men it's 16 and among women 26. Among those aged 65 and over, a 47 point Conservative lead has been wiped out so a 23.5% swing among older voters.

    The England only VI is Labour 49%, Conservative 27%, Liberal Democrat 12%, Green 6%, Reform 5%. From 2019, that's a swing of 17.5% from Conservative to Labour and a 10% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat.

    The 238th most marginal Conservative set falls on these numbers suggesting a Conservative Parliamentary party post-election of around 130 MPs.

    Mid-term polling.....

    Swingback, baby, swingback.
    Wishful thinking on your part, more likely.
    The Conservatives do seem to be hitting 30% with increasing regularity. Hardly an election-winning figure, but safely out of extinction level.
    And if the government proves itself to be dully competent over the next 18 months voters will be loathe to change for an unproven party promising dull competence. If Labour had spent the last couple of years building a policy platform as to why we should vote for them they'd have a completely impenetrable lead. Since they haven't there is still a route for the Tories to cling on with a 1992 style victory but it requires everything to go right for them.

    Supposedly the major hurdles for Rwanda deportations are set to be cleared in the next few weeks before the summer migrant surge. If that's actually the case and not just Tory ramping I think they will get a big boost in the polls for it plus inflation is definitely falling now and even the gloomy OBR are suggesting by the summer workers will be back to real terms pay rises.

    The other random factor that I think works for the government is the lack of financial turmoil as some parts of the world enter crisis mode. While it's not necessarily the most noticeable subject if it does explode in the US and Germany with bailouts and taxpayer money being spent while the UK sector just keeps going as normal that will be yet another dull competence point in favour.

    Basically Starmer could dull his way into Number 10 against Boris or Liz Truss, I think another 18 months of dull competence by Rishi will make it much more difficult and Rishi may dull his way to a slim majority or workable minority.
    Well, you’ve convinced me. No way SKS is next PM. You guys have it in the bag. Looking forward to another Parliament of the competence your party has shown in spades during this one. And all those since 2010.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,785
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Rupert Murdoch set to marry for 5th time at 92 to a 66 year old

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/65012754

    What happened to the last wife - did she get bored of him ?
    Was that the rumoured/alleged Blair one? I'm losing track.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    I see little comment on the UN shit-the-bed climate report today?

    Basically, if you ask me, all coal-fired plants should be phased out worldwide as a matter of urgency and replaced by gas/nukes/wind. Particularly the reprobates like China.

    It'd make a real dent. Question is our delivery capability if everyone does that at once. But we have to try.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    In 2016, Corbyn asked Shami Chakrabarti to write a report on antisemitism in the Labour Party. He then implemented all her recommendations.

    In 2020, Starmer asked Martin Forde to write a report on the vile behaviour of Blairite staff at Labour HQ. And then completely ignored it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811
    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening All :)

    After the curiosities that are People Polling and Deltapoll, Redfield & Wilton shows more stability with a 47-26 Labour lead.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-19-march-2023/

    The data tables are as always informative. The 2019 Conservative vote splits 57% Conservative, 16% Labour, 15% Don't Know and 8% Reform. The 2019 Conservative Don't Knows account for 43% of all the DKs.

    With the DKs removed, the overall Labour lead is 21 but among men it's 16 and among women 26. Among those aged 65 and over, a 47 point Conservative lead has been wiped out so a 23.5% swing among older voters.

    The England only VI is Labour 49%, Conservative 27%, Liberal Democrat 12%, Green 6%, Reform 5%. From 2019, that's a swing of 17.5% from Conservative to Labour and a 10% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat.

    The 238th most marginal Conservative set falls on these numbers suggesting a Conservative Parliamentary party post-election of around 130 MPs.

    Mid-term polling.....

    Swingback, baby, swingback.
    Wishful thinking on your part, more likely.
    The Conservatives do seem to be hitting 30% with increasing regularity. Hardly an election-winning figure, but safely out of extinction level.
    And if the government proves itself to be dully competent over the next 18 months voters will be loathe to change for an unproven party promising dull competence. If Labour had spent the last couple of years building a policy platform as to why we should vote for them they'd have a completely impenetrable lead. Since they haven't there is still a route for the Tories to cling on with a 1992 style victory but it requires everything to go right for them.

    Supposedly the major hurdles for Rwanda deportations are set to be cleared in the next few weeks before the summer migrant surge. If that's actually the case and not just Tory ramping I think they will get a big boost in the polls for it plus inflation is definitely falling now and even the gloomy OBR are suggesting by the summer workers will be back to real terms pay rises.

    The other random factor that I think works for the government is the lack of financial turmoil as some parts of the world enter crisis mode. While it's not necessarily the most noticeable subject if it does explode in the US and Germany with bailouts and taxpayer money being spent while the UK sector just keeps going as normal that will be yet another dull competence point in favour.

    Basically Starmer could dull his way into Number 10 against Boris or Liz Truss, I think another 18 months of dull competence by Rishi will make it much more difficult and Rishi may dull his way to a slim majority or workable minority.
    The redwall has probably gone back to Labour, the key swing voters at the next general election will likely be those who voted for Blair or LD in 2010 but have voted Conservative since. They will decide whether Rishi is narrowly re elected or Sir Keir ends up PM after the election
    Maybe, yet if Rishi does manage to stop the boat crossings this summer by pushing through the Rwanda deportations policy that will stem a lot of the bleeding in the red wall seats. Additionally, the economy is turning around and by the time we get to the autumn statement there is likely to be £40-50bn in unclaimed money for tax cuts and investment in those red wall seats. I could easily see the basic rate being cut to 18p this autumn which would be a big boost to the economy in the run up to the election and I think a reversal of the decision not to take HS2 up to Sheffield is something they might go for as a way of showing they're going to deliver for northern voters rather than just talk about delivering like Boris.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,785

    It has been nearly 13 years and I still haven't recovered from Ann Widdecombe's paso doble.

    Starts 2 mins in.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk9iEEpLAvE
    In many ways, I'm glad Nicola Sturgeon ruled herself out of 'Celebrity Come Dancing' today.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening All :)

    After the curiosities that are People Polling and Deltapoll, Redfield & Wilton shows more stability with a 47-26 Labour lead.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-19-march-2023/

    The data tables are as always informative. The 2019 Conservative vote splits 57% Conservative, 16% Labour, 15% Don't Know and 8% Reform. The 2019 Conservative Don't Knows account for 43% of all the DKs.

    With the DKs removed, the overall Labour lead is 21 but among men it's 16 and among women 26. Among those aged 65 and over, a 47 point Conservative lead has been wiped out so a 23.5% swing among older voters.

    The England only VI is Labour 49%, Conservative 27%, Liberal Democrat 12%, Green 6%, Reform 5%. From 2019, that's a swing of 17.5% from Conservative to Labour and a 10% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat.

    The 238th most marginal Conservative set falls on these numbers suggesting a Conservative Parliamentary party post-election of around 130 MPs.

    Mid-term polling.....

    Swingback, baby, swingback.
    Wishful thinking on your part, more likely.
    The Conservatives do seem to be hitting 30% with increasing regularity. Hardly an election-winning figure, but safely out of extinction level.
    Which is clearly seriously upsetting some people on here.
    Yes I think they're worried that Rishi's approach of just quietly getting on with stuff is working and Labour have wasted the better part of 3 years saying nothing to voters while the Tory party tore lumps out of itself.
    I think people are underestimating at the moment just how much polls can move in either direction these days, and how fickle voters are.

    The Conservatives have suffered serious brand damage but they can still game a coalition of the 50+ age cohort, and are clearly playing a coherent electoral strategy.

    Starmer remains what he's always been: a tedious tactical triangulator.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388

    In 2016, Corbyn asked Shami Chakrabarti to write a report on antisemitism in the Labour Party. He then implemented all her recommendations.

    In 2020, Starmer asked Martin Forde to write a report on the vile behaviour of Blairite staff at Labour HQ. And then completely ignored it.

    Pretty much the only recommendation she made was that people not use the words 'Zio' and 'Paki.'

    Which since they should not have been using them anyway, was not exactly a world shattering revelation.

    The rest of her report was a tissue of lies and evasions that even the Daily Telegraph would have blinked at.

    But, I suppose it must be difficult for you to know that you slavishly supported a dangerous racist nutjob.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,828
    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening All :)

    After the curiosities that are People Polling and Deltapoll, Redfield & Wilton shows more stability with a 47-26 Labour lead.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-19-march-2023/

    The data tables are as always informative. The 2019 Conservative vote splits 57% Conservative, 16% Labour, 15% Don't Know and 8% Reform. The 2019 Conservative Don't Knows account for 43% of all the DKs.

    With the DKs removed, the overall Labour lead is 21 but among men it's 16 and among women 26. Among those aged 65 and over, a 47 point Conservative lead has been wiped out so a 23.5% swing among older voters.

    The England only VI is Labour 49%, Conservative 27%, Liberal Democrat 12%, Green 6%, Reform 5%. From 2019, that's a swing of 17.5% from Conservative to Labour and a 10% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat.

    The 238th most marginal Conservative set falls on these numbers suggesting a Conservative Parliamentary party post-election of around 130 MPs.

    Mid-term polling.....

    Swingback, baby, swingback.
    Wishful thinking on your part, more likely.
    The Conservatives do seem to be hitting 30% with increasing regularity. Hardly an election-winning figure, but safely out of extinction level.
    And if the government proves itself to be dully competent over the next 18 months voters will be loathe to change for an unproven party promising dull competence. If Labour had spent the last couple of years building a policy platform as to why we should vote for them they'd have a completely impenetrable lead. Since they haven't there is still a route for the Tories to cling on with a 1992 style victory but it requires everything to go right for them.

    Supposedly the major hurdles for Rwanda deportations are set to be cleared in the next few weeks before the summer migrant surge. If that's actually the case and not just Tory ramping I think they will get a big boost in the polls for it plus inflation is definitely falling now and even the gloomy OBR are suggesting by the summer workers will be back to real terms pay rises.

    The other random factor that I think works for the government is the lack of financial turmoil as some parts of the world enter crisis mode. While it's not necessarily the most noticeable subject if it does explode in the US and Germany with bailouts and taxpayer money being spent while the UK sector just keeps going as normal that will be yet another dull competence point in favour.

    Basically Starmer could dull his way into Number 10 against Boris or Liz Truss, I think another 18 months of dull competence by Rishi will make it much more difficult and Rishi may dull his way to a slim majority or workable minority.
    The redwall has probably gone back to Labour, the key swing voters at the next general election will likely be those who voted for Blair or LD in 2010 but have voted Conservative since. They will decide whether Rishi is narrowly re elected or Sir Keir ends up PM after the election
    Maybe, yet if Rishi does manage to stop the boat crossings this summer by pushing through the Rwanda deportations policy that will stem a lot of the bleeding in the red wall seats. Additionally, the economy is turning around and by the time we get to the autumn statement there is likely to be £40-50bn in unclaimed money for tax cuts and investment in those red wall seats. I could easily see the basic rate being cut to 18p this autumn which would be a big boost to the economy in the run up to the election and I think a reversal of the decision not to take HS2 up to Sheffield is something they might go for as a way of showing they're going to deliver for northern voters rather than just talk about delivering like Boris.
    I wouldn't look to cut the basic rate. NI would be better, surely.

    And I think we better wait and see how the current crisis plays out before getting too excited.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    DougSeal said:

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening All :)

    After the curiosities that are People Polling and Deltapoll, Redfield & Wilton shows more stability with a 47-26 Labour lead.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-19-march-2023/

    The data tables are as always informative. The 2019 Conservative vote splits 57% Conservative, 16% Labour, 15% Don't Know and 8% Reform. The 2019 Conservative Don't Knows account for 43% of all the DKs.

    With the DKs removed, the overall Labour lead is 21 but among men it's 16 and among women 26. Among those aged 65 and over, a 47 point Conservative lead has been wiped out so a 23.5% swing among older voters.

    The England only VI is Labour 49%, Conservative 27%, Liberal Democrat 12%, Green 6%, Reform 5%. From 2019, that's a swing of 17.5% from Conservative to Labour and a 10% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat.

    The 238th most marginal Conservative set falls on these numbers suggesting a Conservative Parliamentary party post-election of around 130 MPs.

    Mid-term polling.....

    Swingback, baby, swingback.
    Wishful thinking on your part, more likely.
    The Conservatives do seem to be hitting 30% with increasing regularity. Hardly an election-winning figure, but safely out of extinction level.
    Which is clearly seriously upsetting some people on here.
    Who?
    You, for one.

    You're not going to get your dream-Goddess Truss back.

    Must hurt.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Interesting thread on Bakhmut. More questions than predictions.

    Thread on Bakhmut. Before talking about the tactical situation, it is important to put it in the strategic context. Ukraine conducted successful offensives in Kharkiv and Kherson after heavy Russian military attrition during the Battle of the Donbas left its lines vulnerable.
    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1637880591898095618

    IMO there's one great question in this war atm: which side has most reserves at the moment for a push? If one side or the other has a much greater number of reserves, there's going to be an autumn-2022 style movement. If not, then we are looking at more-or-less stalemate for the foreseeable. And I have no idea which side has the most reserves in equipment and men.

    (Apologies to @Anabobazina and @TOPPING).
    Topping is military and doesn't like civilians holding forth on army matters. It's understandable. Doesn't stop him putting the NHS to rights though. Or schools. So, you know.
    Speaking of which, I’ve just completed my Master’s in Military History. It’s now down to my examiner to determine if my Dissertation is good enough.
    Well done.
    Many thanks. It’s on the Spanish contribution to Allied victory in the Peninsular War (much greater in fact, than traditional historiography has held).
    I refuse to believe Bernard Cornwell's documentary series on the Peninsula War was incorrect.
    I like the one where Sharpe comes into conflict with a posh officer whilst also contending with a mysterious woman based with the Spanish rebels. In the end he (or his sergeant) contrive to remove said officer, and he avoids punishment because Wellington is ok with him. He doesn’t get together with the woman but it’s clear than in different circumstances they might have.

    Oh wait, sorry that’s all of them….
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811

    I see little comment on the UN shit-the-bed climate report today?

    Basically, if you ask me, all coal-fired plants should be phased out worldwide as a matter of urgency and replaced by gas/nukes/wind. Particularly the reprobates like China.

    It'd make a real dent. Question is our delivery capability if everyone does that at once. But we have to try.

    We've known for 20 years that coal needed to go, in those 20 years we should have been building nuclear power and gen 4 reactors that will run from current nuclear waste for the next 50 years. If we'd started in 2003 the first gen 4 reactors would be in final stage ramp now and ready to connect to the grid.

    It's a failure of the government and our politicians who have put off these decisions for far too long.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    IanB2 said:

    Election Maps UK

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (-5)
    CON: 35% (+8)
    LDM: 7% (-2)
    SNP: 4% (+1)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    RFM: 3% (-1)

    Via @DeltapollUK, 17-20 Mar.
    Changes w/ 10-13 Mar.

    And for contrast

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 20% (-3)
    GRN: 13% (+3)
    LDM: 9% (+1)
    RFM: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 5% (+1)

    Via @PeoplePolling, 17 Mar.
    Changes w/ 8 Mar.

    One of those Tory poll ratings is seriously wrong. Obvs.
    I suspect both.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    edited March 2023
    The 359 Labour seats currently being predicted by UKPollingReport include the following:

    1. Aylesbury by 1.4%
    2. Banbury by 3.3%
    3. Basingstoke by 4.0%
    4. Bassetlaw by 2.5%
    5. Beckenham by 1.8%
    6. Burton by 0.2%
    7. Chelsea & Fulham by 3.3%
    8. Halesowen & Rowley Regis by 1.5%
    9. Hemel Hempstead by 1.6%
    10.North East Derbyshire by 3.9%
    11.North East Somerset by 3.8%
    12.North Somerset by 1.7%
    13.North Swindon by 0.7%
    14.Nuneaton by 0.9%
    15.Old Bexley & Sidcup by 9.4% - {this must be a mistake by UKPR}
    16.Plymouth Moor View by 0.8%
    17.Rochford & Southend East by 3.3%
    18.Rugby by 3.5%
    19.St Austell & Newquay by 0.3%
    20.Stafford by 1.9%
    21.Stoke-on-Trent South by 1.5%
    22.Stourbridge by 0.3%
    23.Telford by 4.4%
    24.Worthing West by 2.8%

    These are the seats with projected leads of less than 5% over the Conservatives, based on the current opinion polls (with overall vote shares of Lab 46.3%, Con 27.8%).

    https://pollingreport.uk/seats
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,097
    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Interesting thread on Bakhmut. More questions than predictions.

    Thread on Bakhmut. Before talking about the tactical situation, it is important to put it in the strategic context. Ukraine conducted successful offensives in Kharkiv and Kherson after heavy Russian military attrition during the Battle of the Donbas left its lines vulnerable.
    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1637880591898095618

    IMO there's one great question in this war atm: which side has most reserves at the moment for a push? If one side or the other has a much greater number of reserves, there's going to be an autumn-2022 style movement. If not, then we are looking at more-or-less stalemate for the foreseeable. And I have no idea which side has the most reserves in equipment and men.

    (Apologies to @Anabobazina and @TOPPING).
    Topping is military and doesn't like civilians holding forth on army matters. It's understandable. Doesn't stop him putting the NHS to rights though. Or schools. So, you know.
    Speaking of which, I’ve just completed my Master’s in Military History. It’s now down to my examiner to determine if my Dissertation is good enough.
    Well done.
    Many thanks. It’s on the Spanish contribution to Allied victory in the Peninsular War (much greater in fact, than traditional historiography has held).
    I refuse to believe Bernard Cornwell's documentary series on the Peninsula War was incorrect.
    I like the one where Sharpe comes into conflict with a posh officer whilst also contending with a mysterious woman based with the Spanish rebels. In the end he (or his sergeant) contrive to remove said officer, and he avoids punishment because Wellington is ok with him. He doesn’t get together with the woman but it’s clear than in different circumstances they might have.

    Oh wait, sorry that’s all of them….
    He also occasionally fights some Frenchmen.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening All :)

    After the curiosities that are People Polling and Deltapoll, Redfield & Wilton shows more stability with a 47-26 Labour lead.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-19-march-2023/

    The data tables are as always informative. The 2019 Conservative vote splits 57% Conservative, 16% Labour, 15% Don't Know and 8% Reform. The 2019 Conservative Don't Knows account for 43% of all the DKs.

    With the DKs removed, the overall Labour lead is 21 but among men it's 16 and among women 26. Among those aged 65 and over, a 47 point Conservative lead has been wiped out so a 23.5% swing among older voters.

    The England only VI is Labour 49%, Conservative 27%, Liberal Democrat 12%, Green 6%, Reform 5%. From 2019, that's a swing of 17.5% from Conservative to Labour and a 10% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat.

    The 238th most marginal Conservative set falls on these numbers suggesting a Conservative Parliamentary party post-election of around 130 MPs.

    Mid-term polling.....

    Swingback, baby, swingback.
    Wishful thinking on your part, more likely.
    The Conservatives do seem to be hitting 30% with increasing regularity. Hardly an election-winning figure, but safely out of extinction level.
    And if the government proves itself to be dully competent over the next 18 months voters will be loathe to change for an unproven party promising dull competence. If Labour had spent the last couple of years building a policy platform as to why we should vote for them they'd have a completely impenetrable lead. Since they haven't there is still a route for the Tories to cling on with a 1992 style victory but it requires everything to go right for them.

    Supposedly the major hurdles for Rwanda deportations are set to be cleared in the next few weeks before the summer migrant surge. If that's actually the case and not just Tory ramping I think they will get a big boost in the polls for it plus inflation is definitely falling now and even the gloomy OBR are suggesting by the summer workers will be back to real terms pay rises.

    The other random factor that I think works for the government is the lack of financial turmoil as some parts of the world enter crisis mode. While it's not necessarily the most noticeable subject if it does explode in the US and Germany with bailouts and taxpayer money being spent while the UK sector just keeps going as normal that will be yet another dull competence point in favour.

    Basically Starmer could dull his way into Number 10 against Boris or Liz Truss, I think another 18 months of dull competence by Rishi will make it much more difficult and Rishi may dull his way to a slim majority or workable minority.
    The redwall has probably gone back to Labour, the key swing voters at the next general election will likely be those who voted for Blair or LD in 2010 but have voted Conservative since. They will decide whether Rishi is narrowly re elected or Sir Keir ends up PM after the election
    Maybe, yet if Rishi does manage to stop the boat crossings this summer by pushing through the Rwanda deportations policy that will stem a lot of the bleeding in the red wall seats. Additionally, the economy is turning around and by the time we get to the autumn statement there is likely to be £40-50bn in unclaimed money for tax cuts and investment in those red wall seats. I could easily see the basic rate being cut to 18p this autumn which would be a big boost to the economy in the run up to the election and I think a reversal of the decision not to take HS2 up to Sheffield is something they might go for as a way of showing they're going to deliver for northern voters rather than just talk about delivering like Boris.
    I wouldn't look to cut the basic rate. NI would be better, surely.

    And I think we better wait and see how the current crisis plays out before getting too excited.
    I'd agree that NI is the better tax to cut as it puts money into the hands of the working population, the issue is that people hear NI cut and associate it to NHS cuts even if NHS spending is rising in real terms. That link between NI and welfare spending still pervades today despite NI not being hypothecated to welfare.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    ydoethur said:

    In 2016, Corbyn asked Shami Chakrabarti to write a report on antisemitism in the Labour Party. He then implemented all her recommendations.

    In 2020, Starmer asked Martin Forde to write a report on the vile behaviour of Blairite staff at Labour HQ. And then completely ignored it.

    Pretty much the only recommendation she made was that people not use the words 'Zio' and 'Paki.'

    Which since they should not have been using them anyway, was not exactly a world shattering revelation.

    The rest of her report was a tissue of lies and evasions that even the Daily Telegraph would have blinked at.

    But, I suppose it must be difficult for you to know that you slavishly supported a dangerous racist nutjob.
    Well the EHRC praised the report

    SKS is the one with a heirachy of racism which you turn a blind eye to
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821

    ydoethur said:

    In 2016, Corbyn asked Shami Chakrabarti to write a report on antisemitism in the Labour Party. He then implemented all her recommendations.

    In 2020, Starmer asked Martin Forde to write a report on the vile behaviour of Blairite staff at Labour HQ. And then completely ignored it.

    Pretty much the only recommendation she made was that people not use the words 'Zio' and 'Paki.'

    Which since they should not have been using them anyway, was not exactly a world shattering revelation.

    The rest of her report was a tissue of lies and evasions that even the Daily Telegraph would have blinked at.

    But, I suppose it must be difficult for you to know that you slavishly supported a dangerous racist nutjob.
    Well the EHRC praised the report

    SKS is the one with a heirachy of racism which you turn a blind eye to
    ToryJohnOwls.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    DougSeal said:

    Sean_F said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Evening All :)

    After the curiosities that are People Polling and Deltapoll, Redfield & Wilton shows more stability with a 47-26 Labour lead.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-19-march-2023/

    The data tables are as always informative. The 2019 Conservative vote splits 57% Conservative, 16% Labour, 15% Don't Know and 8% Reform. The 2019 Conservative Don't Knows account for 43% of all the DKs.

    With the DKs removed, the overall Labour lead is 21 but among men it's 16 and among women 26. Among those aged 65 and over, a 47 point Conservative lead has been wiped out so a 23.5% swing among older voters.

    The England only VI is Labour 49%, Conservative 27%, Liberal Democrat 12%, Green 6%, Reform 5%. From 2019, that's a swing of 17.5% from Conservative to Labour and a 10% swing from Conservative to Liberal Democrat.

    The 238th most marginal Conservative set falls on these numbers suggesting a Conservative Parliamentary party post-election of around 130 MPs.

    Mid-term polling.....

    Swingback, baby, swingback.
    Wishful thinking on your part, more likely.
    The Conservatives do seem to be hitting 30% with increasing regularity. Hardly an election-winning figure, but safely out of extinction level.
    Which is clearly seriously upsetting some people on here.
    Who?
    You, for one.

    You're not going to get your dream-Goddess Truss back.

    Must hurt.
    Au contraire. She operates at a higher level of sophistication than any of you realise. She’s Spock, Machiavelli, Einstein and Thatcher wrapped into one.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388

    ydoethur said:

    In 2016, Corbyn asked Shami Chakrabarti to write a report on antisemitism in the Labour Party. He then implemented all her recommendations.

    In 2020, Starmer asked Martin Forde to write a report on the vile behaviour of Blairite staff at Labour HQ. And then completely ignored it.

    Pretty much the only recommendation she made was that people not use the words 'Zio' and 'Paki.'

    Which since they should not have been using them anyway, was not exactly a world shattering revelation.

    The rest of her report was a tissue of lies and evasions that even the Daily Telegraph would have blinked at.

    But, I suppose it must be difficult for you to know that you slavishly supported a dangerous racist nutjob.
    Well the EHRC praised the report

    SKS is the one with a heirachy of racism which you turn a blind eye to
    The one he inherited from Corbyn, you mean?

    As for your other claim, do you have a link? The only EHRC comment I recall on Corbyn's Labour was when they declared them to be a bunch of raging racists. But equally, as Labour had become a poisonous irrelevance under the useless posh git I may just not have noticed.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    edited March 2023
    Deleted. Why stoke the fire of the loon?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Mar 1: Sturgeon invited to Scottish Affairs Committee

    Mar 14: "Unfortunately, I will be unable to take up your invitation as my diary is full over my final two weeks in office, as I focus on ensuring a smooth transition."

    Today: Sturgeon on Loose Women on same day as committee…..

    Nicola Sturgeon's Loose Women appearance was at 12.45pm. She then did a speech and Q&A at the RSA at 2.30pm. The Scottish Affairs Committee started at 2.30pm (though start time could have been changed for Nicola Sturgeon, I'm told)


    https://twitter.com/ChrisMusson/status/1637860224961765376?s=20

  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,994

    Election Maps UK

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (-5)
    CON: 35% (+8)
    LDM: 7% (-2)
    SNP: 4% (+1)
    GRN: 4% (=)
    RFM: 3% (-1)

    Via @DeltapollUK, 17-20 Mar.
    Changes w/ 10-13 Mar.

    And for contrast

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB: 45% (+3)
    CON: 20% (-3)
    GRN: 13% (+3)
    LDM: 9% (+1)
    RFM: 6% (-1)
    SNP: 5% (+1)

    Via @PeoplePolling, 17 Mar.
    Changes w/ 8 Mar.

    Seems unlikely that both are on the money.
    They could be both off the money.

    I doubt Labour + Green combined are at near 60% of the electorate.
    The Labour-LibDem-Green (LLG) share though has been much more stable than Labour vs Conservative gap. During the period that Labour were level pegging with the Tories it was around 53%, it climbed to around 65-67% at the nadir of Truss and is now generally around 60-64%.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Response to Mike Russell denying members access to amend their votes:

    I believe the power lies with the members of the SNP to select their next leader.

    There was an amendment to the normal established timeline as detailed in the SNP constitution for a leadership election - creating an inappropriately short time frame for this selection contest.

    I do not believe the NEC have had the opportunity to review my proposal fully - nor do I understand the problem with allowing members to change their mind, given the revelations of the weekend.

    Allowing members to edit their vote enables the ballot to continue on its current timeline, while solving the outstanding issue for those who are dissatisfied.

    Our membership deserve the process of this election to be the start of transparency and demonstrable probity. However I encourage the members to now demonstrate their will with SNP HQ.


    https://twitter.com/AshReganSNP/status/1637913802384523268?s=20
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,662
    A leading Black British KC conducted a forensic examination commissioned by Keir Starmer, who insisted it wouldn't be a whitewash, and true enough, it wasn't. Faced with the inconvenient truth, the party ignored Forde – he says he effectively hasn't heard from the party since.

    Martin Forde’s report has done severe damage to John Ware’s reputation & to that of the BBC for journalistic integrity. He says so himself. But many of those who applauded the Panorama hit-job continue to stand by its conclusions out of delusion, denial or just plain dishonesty.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    ydoethur said:

    In 2016, Corbyn asked Shami Chakrabarti to write a report on antisemitism in the Labour Party. He then implemented all her recommendations.

    In 2020, Starmer asked Martin Forde to write a report on the vile behaviour of Blairite staff at Labour HQ. And then completely ignored it.

    Pretty much the only recommendation she made was that people not use the words 'Zio' and 'Paki.'

    Which since they should not have been using them anyway, was not exactly a world shattering revelation.

    The rest of her report was a tissue of lies and evasions that even the Daily Telegraph would have blinked at.

    But, I suppose it must be difficult for you to know that you slavishly supported a dangerous racist nutjob.
    Well the EHRC praised the report

    SKS is the one with a heirachy of racism which you turn a blind eye to
    Do you have a link to the EHRC praising the Chakrabarti report? All the recent praise of the Labour Party I’m aware of, from the BoD and the EHRC anyway, stems from SKS’s leadership.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,355
    kle4 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:

    Interesting thread on Bakhmut. More questions than predictions.

    Thread on Bakhmut. Before talking about the tactical situation, it is important to put it in the strategic context. Ukraine conducted successful offensives in Kharkiv and Kherson after heavy Russian military attrition during the Battle of the Donbas left its lines vulnerable.
    https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1637880591898095618

    IMO there's one great question in this war atm: which side has most reserves at the moment for a push? If one side or the other has a much greater number of reserves, there's going to be an autumn-2022 style movement. If not, then we are looking at more-or-less stalemate for the foreseeable. And I have no idea which side has the most reserves in equipment and men.

    (Apologies to @Anabobazina and @TOPPING).
    Topping is military and doesn't like civilians holding forth on army matters. It's understandable. Doesn't stop him putting the NHS to rights though. Or schools. So, you know.
    Speaking of which, I’ve just completed my Master’s in Military History. It’s now down to my examiner to determine if my Dissertation is good enough.
    Well done.
    Many thanks. It’s on the Spanish contribution to Allied victory in the Peninsular War (much greater in fact, than traditional historiography has held).
    I refuse to believe Bernard Cornwell's documentary series on the Peninsula War was incorrect.
    Wellington was a military genius, without doubt. But, English historiography tends to view him as winning the war, single-handedly.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    edited March 2023
    ...

    ydoethur said:

    In 2016, Corbyn asked Shami Chakrabarti to write a report on antisemitism in the Labour Party. He then implemented all her recommendations.

    In 2020, Starmer asked Martin Forde to write a report on the vile behaviour of Blairite staff at Labour HQ. And then completely ignored it.

    Pretty much the only recommendation she made was that people not use the words 'Zio' and 'Paki.'

    Which since they should not have been using them anyway, was not exactly a world shattering revelation.

    The rest of her report was a tissue of lies and evasions that even the Daily Telegraph would have blinked at.

    But, I suppose it must be difficult for you to know that you slavishly supported a dangerous racist nutjob.
    Well the EHRC praised the report

    SKS is the one with a heirachy of racism which you turn a blind eye to
    Starmer may be by your understanding a shambling wretch, utterly useless and will get crushed by a resurgent Richi Sunak at the next GE, but there is nothing to suggest he is a racist.

    Jeremy Corbyn on the other hand is so stupid that his support for the Palestinian cause is so wayward that he ended up punishing Jewish Labour MPs for Netanyahu's racist aggression. Now deny that Jeremy Corbyn should be branded an utterly moronic anti-Semite?
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839

    The Conservatives have suffered serious brand damage but they can still game a coalition of the 50+ age cohort, and are clearly playing a coherent electoral strategy.

    This. The Conservative Party is vastly underestimated, because of this. The land is choc full of comfortably off, small-c conservative pensioners and their similarly comfortable offspring, looking forward to their own retirements along with a great fat inheritance when Mum and Dad shuffle off. The Tories are the lobby group for these people, who also provide the bulk of their fossil membership. They care about no-one else, except for the very rich.

    The minted grey vote will troop back to the Tories come the next election, and that'll save their arses. Or most of them, at any rate. The Tory majority goes, because the Tories have, after all, been a bag of stinking shit for the rest of the country, but all those client oldies constitute a very large constituency and will be enough to keep them right in the game.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,565
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    In 2016, Corbyn asked Shami Chakrabarti to write a report on antisemitism in the Labour Party. He then implemented all her recommendations.

    In 2020, Starmer asked Martin Forde to write a report on the vile behaviour of Blairite staff at Labour HQ. And then completely ignored it.

    Pretty much the only recommendation she made was that people not use the words 'Zio' and 'Paki.'

    Which since they should not have been using them anyway, was not exactly a world shattering revelation.

    The rest of her report was a tissue of lies and evasions that even the Daily Telegraph would have blinked at.

    But, I suppose it must be difficult for you to know that you slavishly supported a dangerous racist nutjob.
    Well the EHRC praised the report

    SKS is the one with a heirachy of racism which you turn a blind eye to
    The one he inherited from Corbyn, you mean?
    The one that went on for three years whilst Starmer sat beside Corbyn in the Shadow Cabinet you mean?
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