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  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,790
    F1: also put a small bet on Alonso at 12 for the title.

    The Red Bull may be unreliable. So may the Ferrari. Aston Martin so far is looking like it is possibly the only car that is fast, reliable, and doesn't chew its tyres. As I said, small bet (following a splendid 8 winner on Perez for pole, each way) but worth considering.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    Ready to be proven wrong but I’m pretty sure it’ll attract a good enough audience. Anecdotally I know a few people who say they’ll watch it for the fact that it’s the first one we’ve had for 70 years and therefore the first one most of us have seen in our lifetimes.

    I see no groundswell of republicanism right now, and I’m not entirely sure where others seem to be seeing it.

    I wont be watching. Charles is way too politically divisive to be an effective monarch.
    Is he politically divisive? The latest Yougov on the royal family has 79% of Conservative voters, 72% of LD voters and 54% of Labour voters having a favourable view of King Charles. Starmer and Sunak would kill for those ratings
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/01/12/prince-harrys-popularity-falls-further-spare-hits-
    Given recent opinion polls that means about 40% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Not good.
    Nope, only 29% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Again ratings Sunak or Starmer would kill for
    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    In other words, only 3 in 5 have an even slightly positive view of the King.

    That's pretty pathetic actually.
    Is it, given his past favourability ratings?
    I think people are naturally rallying round. The significant thing though is the enduring popularity of William and Kate. The monarchy seems utterly secure for the foreseeable.
    That’s certainly how I interpret public opinion.
    William and Kate will be very popular once they, eventually, accede to the throne.

    That could be in 20 years time, mind.
    Unless Charles turns out to be an incredibly unpopular King the monarchy will last till then. Out of the two main parties, only Labour might abolish the monarchy and - a bit like its position on Brexit right now - won't do so if they think it will lose them votes.
    Charles may abdicate in 10 years and retire to Highgrove and hand over to Camilla like the monarchs of Japan, the Netherlands and Spain have abdicated by their late 80s and handed over to their younger sons.

    Even Labour voters want to keep the monarchy by 50% to 36%

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    I could see Charles abdicating in a way I couldn't see HMQEII ever doing.

    He doesn't feel duty in the same way she did, but does feel hard done by in general.
    I could have done too. Right up until his first broadcast as King.
    He handled that superbly.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    Ready to be proven wrong but I’m pretty sure it’ll attract a good enough audience. Anecdotally I know a few people who say they’ll watch it for the fact that it’s the first one we’ve had for 70 years and therefore the first one most of us have seen in our lifetimes.

    I see no groundswell of republicanism right now, and I’m not entirely sure where others seem to be seeing it.

    I wont be watching. Charles is way too politically divisive to be an effective monarch.
    Is he politically divisive? The latest Yougov on the royal family has 79% of Conservative voters, 72% of LD voters and 54% of Labour voters having a favourable view of King Charles. Starmer and Sunak would kill for those ratings
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/01/12/prince-harrys-popularity-falls-further-spare-hits-
    Given recent opinion polls that means about 40% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Not good.
    Nope, only 29% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Again ratings Sunak or Starmer would kill for
    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    In other words, only 3 in 5 have an even slightly positive view of the King.

    That's pretty pathetic actually.
    Is it, given his past favourability ratings?
    I think people are naturally rallying round. The significant thing though is the enduring popularity of William and Kate. The monarchy seems utterly secure for the foreseeable.
    That’s certainly how I interpret public opinion.
    William and Kate will be very popular once they, eventually, accede to the throne.

    That could be in 20 years time, mind.
    Unless Charles turns out to be an incredibly unpopular King the monarchy will last till then. Out of the two main parties, only Labour might abolish the monarchy and - a bit like its position on Brexit right now - won't do so if they think it will lose them votes.
    Charles may abdicate in 10 years and retire to Highgrove and hand over to Camilla like the monarchs of Japan, the Netherlands and Spain have abdicated by their late 80s and handed over to their younger sons.

    Even Labour voters want to keep the monarchy by 50% to 36%

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    I could see Charles abdicating in a way I couldn't see HMQEII ever doing.

    He doesn't feel duty in the same way she did, but does feel hard done by in general.
    I could have done too. Right up until his first broadcast as King.
    He handled that superbly.
    The key is he gave a pledge of lifelong service.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    Ready to be proven wrong but I’m pretty sure it’ll attract a good enough audience. Anecdotally I know a few people who say they’ll watch it for the fact that it’s the first one we’ve had for 70 years and therefore the first one most of us have seen in our lifetimes.

    I see no groundswell of republicanism right now, and I’m not entirely sure where others seem to be seeing it.

    I wont be watching. Charles is way too politically divisive to be an effective monarch.
    Is he politically divisive? The latest Yougov on the royal family has 79% of Conservative voters, 72% of LD voters and 54% of Labour voters having a favourable view of King Charles. Starmer and Sunak would kill for those ratings
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/01/12/prince-harrys-popularity-falls-further-spare-hits-
    Given recent opinion polls that means about 40% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Not good.
    Nope, only 29% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Again ratings Sunak or Starmer would kill for
    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    In other words, only 3 in 5 have an even slightly positive view of the King.

    That's pretty pathetic actually.
    Is it, given his past favourability ratings?
    I think people are naturally rallying round. The significant thing though is the enduring popularity of William and Kate. The monarchy seems utterly secure for the foreseeable.
    That’s certainly how I interpret public opinion.
    William and Kate will be very popular once they, eventually, accede to the throne.

    That could be in 20 years time, mind.
    Unless Charles turns out to be an incredibly unpopular King the monarchy will last till then. Out of the two main parties, only Labour might abolish the monarchy and - a bit like its position on Brexit right now - won't do so if they think it will lose them votes.
    Charles may abdicate in 10 years and retire to Highgrove and hand over to Camilla like the monarchs of Japan, the Netherlands and Spain have abdicated by their late 80s and handed over to their younger sons.

    Even Labour voters want to keep the monarchy by 50% to 36%

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    I could see Charles abdicating in a way I couldn't see HMQEII ever doing.

    He doesn't feel duty in the same way she did, but does feel hard done by in general.
    I could have done too. Right up until his first broadcast as King.
    He handled that superbly.
    The key is he gave a pledge of lifelong service.
    He knew what might have been expected. He wanted to draw as many parallels with his mother as possible. I wouldn't be surprised if he were to renege.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    Ready to be proven wrong but I’m pretty sure it’ll attract a good enough audience. Anecdotally I know a few people who say they’ll watch it for the fact that it’s the first one we’ve had for 70 years and therefore the first one most of us have seen in our lifetimes.

    I see no groundswell of republicanism right now, and I’m not entirely sure where others seem to be seeing it.

    I wont be watching. Charles is way too politically divisive to be an effective monarch.
    Is he politically divisive? The latest Yougov on the royal family has 79% of Conservative voters, 72% of LD voters and 54% of Labour voters having a favourable view of King Charles. Starmer and Sunak would kill for those ratings
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/01/12/prince-harrys-popularity-falls-further-spare-hits-
    Given recent opinion polls that means about 40% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Not good.
    Nope, only 29% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Again ratings Sunak or Starmer would kill for
    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    In other words, only 3 in 5 have an even slightly positive view of the King.

    That's pretty pathetic actually.
    Is it, given his past favourability ratings?
    I think people are naturally rallying round. The significant thing though is the enduring popularity of William and Kate. The monarchy seems utterly secure for the foreseeable.
    That’s certainly how I interpret public opinion.
    William and Kate will be very popular once they, eventually, accede to the throne.

    That could be in 20 years time, mind.
    Unless Charles turns out to be an incredibly unpopular King the monarchy will last till then. Out of the two main parties, only Labour might abolish the monarchy and - a bit like its position on Brexit right now - won't do so if they think it will lose them votes.
    Charles may abdicate in 10 years and retire to Highgrove and hand over to Camilla like the monarchs of Japan, the Netherlands and Spain have abdicated by their late 80s and handed over to their younger sons.

    Even Labour voters want to keep the monarchy by 50% to 36%

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    I could see Charles abdicating in a way I couldn't see HMQEII ever doing.

    He doesn't feel duty in the same way she did, but does feel hard done by in general.
    Indeed though of course I meant hand over to William and Kate in 10 years
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited March 2023
    RobD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    Ready to be proven wrong but I’m pretty sure it’ll attract a good enough audience. Anecdotally I know a few people who say they’ll watch it for the fact that it’s the first one we’ve had for 70 years and therefore the first one most of us have seen in our lifetimes.

    I see no groundswell of republicanism right now, and I’m not entirely sure where others seem to be seeing it.

    I wont be watching. Charles is way too politically divisive to be an effective monarch.
    Is he politically divisive? The latest Yougov on the royal family has 79% of Conservative voters, 72% of LD voters and 54% of Labour voters having a favourable view of King Charles. Starmer and Sunak would kill for those ratings
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/01/12/prince-harrys-popularity-falls-further-spare-hits-
    Given recent opinion polls that means about 40% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Not good.
    Nope, only 29% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Again ratings Sunak or Starmer would kill for
    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    In other words, only 3 in 5 have an even slightly positive view of the King.

    That's pretty pathetic actually.
    Is it, given his past favourability ratings?
    I think people are naturally rallying round. The significant thing though is the enduring popularity of William and Kate. The monarchy seems utterly secure for the foreseeable.
    That’s certainly how I interpret public opinion.
    William and Kate will be very popular once they, eventually, accede to the throne.

    That could be in 20 years time, mind.
    Unless Charles turns out to be an incredibly unpopular King the monarchy will last till then. Out of the two main parties, only Labour might abolish the monarchy and - a bit like its position on Brexit right now - won't do so if they think it will lose them votes.
    Charles may abdicate in 10 years and retire to Highgrove and hand over to Camilla like the monarchs of Japan, the Netherlands and Spain have abdicated by their late 80s and handed over to their younger sons.

    Even Labour voters want to keep the monarchy by 50% to 36%

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    William, not Camilla. Unless they are hiding something big.
    Sorry, yes meant retire to Highgrove with Camilla
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,267
    edited March 2023
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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,433
    Events in Scottish politics seem seismic.

    As someone here (I think
    Stuartinromford) has commented correctly, it must have been serious for Sturgeon to resign and give up the significant advantage to her and Murrell of being in office. Are any of the newspapers online doing a rolling blog of events?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    Ready to be proven wrong but I’m pretty sure it’ll attract a good enough audience. Anecdotally I know a few people who say they’ll watch it for the fact that it’s the first one we’ve had for 70 years and therefore the first one most of us have seen in our lifetimes.

    I see no groundswell of republicanism right now, and I’m not entirely sure where others seem to be seeing it.

    I wont be watching. Charles is way too politically divisive to be an effective monarch.
    Is he politically divisive? The latest Yougov on the royal family has 79% of Conservative voters, 72% of LD voters and 54% of Labour voters having a favourable view of King Charles. Starmer and Sunak would kill for those ratings
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/01/12/prince-harrys-popularity-falls-further-spare-hits-
    Given recent opinion polls that means about 40% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Not good.
    Nope, only 29% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Again ratings Sunak or Starmer would kill for
    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    In other words, only 3 in 5 have an even slightly positive view of the King.

    That's pretty pathetic actually.
    Is it, given his past favourability ratings?
    I think people are naturally rallying round. The significant thing though is the enduring popularity of William and Kate. The monarchy seems utterly secure for the foreseeable.
    That’s certainly how I interpret public opinion.
    William and Kate will be very popular once they, eventually, accede to the throne.

    That could be in 20 years time, mind.
    Unless Charles turns out to be an incredibly unpopular King the monarchy will last till then. Out of the two main parties, only Labour might abolish the monarchy and - a bit like its position on Brexit right now - won't do so if they think it will lose them votes.
    Charles may abdicate in 10 years and retire to Highgrove and hand over to Camilla like the monarchs of Japan, the Netherlands and Spain have abdicated by their late 80s and handed over to their younger sons.

    Even Labour voters want to keep the monarchy by 50% to 36%

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    I could see Charles abdicating in a way I couldn't see HMQEII ever doing.

    He doesn't feel duty in the same way she did, but does feel hard done by in general.
    I could have done too. Right up until his first broadcast as King.
    He handled that superbly.
    The key is he gave a pledge of lifelong service.
    Yes, but the trouble is that with HMQEII I believed her.
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    One almost thinks Sharp was planted into the BBC by Bozo to cause as many problems as possible .

    Any one with a shred of decency would resign.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,267
    Scott_xP said:

    DavidL said:

    This is getting really dull. As far as I can trace no one in a senior position in the SNP has resigned in the last 3 hours. Have I missed something?

    They might have lost another 30,000 members though...
    To have lost one tranche of 30k members is unfortunate. To lose another would seem careless.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    Ready to be proven wrong but I’m pretty sure it’ll attract a good enough audience. Anecdotally I know a few people who say they’ll watch it for the fact that it’s the first one we’ve had for 70 years and therefore the first one most of us have seen in our lifetimes.

    I see no groundswell of republicanism right now, and I’m not entirely sure where others seem to be seeing it.

    I wont be watching. Charles is way too politically divisive to be an effective monarch.
    Is he politically divisive? The latest Yougov on the royal family has 79% of Conservative voters, 72% of LD voters and 54% of Labour voters having a favourable view of King Charles. Starmer and Sunak would kill for those ratings
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/01/12/prince-harrys-popularity-falls-further-spare-hits-
    Given recent opinion polls that means about 40% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Not good.
    Nope, only 29% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Again ratings Sunak or Starmer would kill for
    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    In other words, only 3 in 5 have an even slightly positive view of the King.

    That's pretty pathetic actually.
    Is it, given his past favourability ratings?
    I think people are naturally rallying round. The significant thing though is the enduring popularity of William and Kate. The monarchy seems utterly secure for the foreseeable.
    That’s certainly how I interpret public opinion.
    William and Kate will be very popular once they, eventually, accede to the throne.

    That could be in 20 years time, mind.
    Unless Charles turns out to be an incredibly unpopular King the monarchy will last till then. Out of the two main parties, only Labour might abolish the monarchy and - a bit like its position on Brexit right now - won't do so if they think it will lose them votes.
    Charles may abdicate in 10 years and retire to Highgrove and hand over to Camilla like the monarchs of Japan, the Netherlands and Spain have abdicated by their late 80s and handed over to their younger sons.

    Even Labour voters want to keep the monarchy by 50% to 36%

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    I could see Charles abdicating in a way I couldn't see HMQEII ever doing.

    He doesn't feel duty in the same way she did, but does feel hard done by in general.
    I could have done too. Right up until his first broadcast as King.
    He handled that superbly.
    The key is he gave a pledge of lifelong service.
    It's a real case of cognitive dissonance. Tories hate jobs for life in the public sector or council houses for life, but love the monarchy. I just can't get my head around it.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,220
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    Ready to be proven wrong but I’m pretty sure it’ll attract a good enough audience. Anecdotally I know a few people who say they’ll watch it for the fact that it’s the first one we’ve had for 70 years and therefore the first one most of us have seen in our lifetimes.

    I see no groundswell of republicanism right now, and I’m not entirely sure where others seem to be seeing it.

    I wont be watching. Charles is way too politically divisive to be an effective monarch.
    Is he politically divisive? The latest Yougov on the royal family has 79% of Conservative voters, 72% of LD voters and 54% of Labour voters having a favourable view of King Charles. Starmer and Sunak would kill for those ratings
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/01/12/prince-harrys-popularity-falls-further-spare-hits-
    Given recent opinion polls that means about 40% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Not good.
    Nope, only 29% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Again ratings Sunak or Starmer would kill for
    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    In other words, only 3 in 5 have an even slightly positive view of the King.

    That's pretty pathetic actually.
    Is it, given his past favourability ratings?
    I think people are naturally rallying round. The significant thing though is the enduring popularity of William and Kate. The monarchy seems utterly secure for the foreseeable.
    That’s certainly how I interpret public opinion.
    William and Kate will be very popular once they, eventually, accede to the throne.

    That could be in 20 years time, mind.
    Unless Charles turns out to be an incredibly unpopular King the monarchy will last till then. Out of the two main parties, only Labour might abolish the monarchy and - a bit like its position on Brexit right now - won't do so if they think it will lose them votes.
    Charles may abdicate in 10 years and retire to Highgrove and hand over to Camilla like the monarchs of Japan, the Netherlands and Spain have abdicated by their late 80s and handed over to their younger sons.

    Even Labour voters want to keep the monarchy by 50% to 36%

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    I could see Charles abdicating in a way I couldn't see HMQEII ever doing.

    He doesn't feel duty in the same way she did, but does feel hard done by in general.
    I could have done too. Right up until his first broadcast as King.
    He handled that superbly.
    The key is he gave a pledge of lifelong service.
    Question is what that service looks like. He has experience of serving whilst not being monarch, and I'm not sure that the nation or monarchy or the Windsors are well-served if the monarch is always in the age range 70 to 90.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    Ready to be proven wrong but I’m pretty sure it’ll attract a good enough audience. Anecdotally I know a few people who say they’ll watch it for the fact that it’s the first one we’ve had for 70 years and therefore the first one most of us have seen in our lifetimes.

    I see no groundswell of republicanism right now, and I’m not entirely sure where others seem to be seeing it.

    I wont be watching. Charles is way too politically divisive to be an effective monarch.
    Is he politically divisive? The latest Yougov on the royal family has 79% of Conservative voters, 72% of LD voters and 54% of Labour voters having a favourable view of King Charles. Starmer and Sunak would kill for those ratings
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/01/12/prince-harrys-popularity-falls-further-spare-hits-
    Given recent opinion polls that means about 40% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Not good.
    Nope, only 29% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Again ratings Sunak or Starmer would kill for
    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    In other words, only 3 in 5 have an even slightly positive view of the King.

    That's pretty pathetic actually.
    Is it, given his past favourability ratings?
    I think people are naturally rallying round. The significant thing though is the enduring popularity of William and Kate. The monarchy seems utterly secure for the foreseeable.
    That’s certainly how I interpret public opinion.
    William and Kate will be very popular once they, eventually, accede to the throne.

    That could be in 20 years time, mind.
    Unless Charles turns out to be an incredibly unpopular King the monarchy will last till then. Out of the two main parties, only Labour might abolish the monarchy and - a bit like its position on Brexit right now - won't do so if they think it will lose them votes.
    Charles may abdicate in 10 years and retire to Highgrove and hand over to Camilla like the monarchs of Japan, the Netherlands and Spain have abdicated by their late 80s and handed over to their younger sons.

    Even Labour voters want to keep the monarchy by 50% to 36%

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    I could see Charles abdicating in a way I couldn't see HMQEII ever doing.

    He doesn't feel duty in the same way she did, but does feel hard done by in general.
    I could have done too. Right up until his first broadcast as King.
    He handled that superbly.
    The key is he gave a pledge of lifelong service.
    It's a real case of cognitive dissonance. Tories hate jobs for life in the public sector or council houses for life, but love the monarchy. I just can't get my head around it.
    Huh? The whole problem with this lot is that they appoint a lot of useless drunken twats to jobs for life (or at least, jobs that carry fat pensions making them in effect for life).
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,447

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    Ready to be proven wrong but I’m pretty sure it’ll attract a good enough audience. Anecdotally I know a few people who say they’ll watch it for the fact that it’s the first one we’ve had for 70 years and therefore the first one most of us have seen in our lifetimes.

    I see no groundswell of republicanism right now, and I’m not entirely sure where others seem to be seeing it.

    I wont be watching. Charles is way too politically divisive to be an effective monarch.
    Is he politically divisive? The latest Yougov on the royal family has 79% of Conservative voters, 72% of LD voters and 54% of Labour voters having a favourable view of King Charles. Starmer and Sunak would kill for those ratings
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/01/12/prince-harrys-popularity-falls-further-spare-hits-
    Given recent opinion polls that means about 40% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Not good.
    Nope, only 29% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Again ratings Sunak or Starmer would kill for
    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    In other words, only 3 in 5 have an even slightly positive view of the King.

    That's pretty pathetic actually.
    Is it, given his past favourability ratings?
    I think people are naturally rallying round. The significant thing though is the enduring popularity of William and Kate. The monarchy seems utterly secure for the foreseeable.
    That’s certainly how I interpret public opinion.
    William and Kate will be very popular once they, eventually, accede to the throne.

    That could be in 20 years time, mind.
    Unless Charles turns out to be an incredibly unpopular King the monarchy will last till then. Out of the two main parties, only Labour might abolish the monarchy and - a bit like its position on Brexit right now - won't do so if they think it will lose them votes.
    Charles may abdicate in 10 years and retire to Highgrove and hand over to Camilla like the monarchs of Japan, the Netherlands and Spain have abdicated by their late 80s and handed over to their younger sons.

    Even Labour voters want to keep the monarchy by 50% to 36%

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    I could see Charles abdicating in a way I couldn't see HMQEII ever doing.

    He doesn't feel duty in the same way she did, but does feel hard done by in general.
    I could have done too. Right up until his first broadcast as King.
    He handled that superbly.
    The key is he gave a pledge of lifelong service.
    It's a real case of cognitive dissonance. Tories hate jobs for life in the public sector or council houses for life, but love the monarchy. I just can't get my head around it.
    That just shows the limitations of your puny mind.

    Perhaps if you ate some meat and weren't so angry and misanthropic you might be able to think more clearly.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    Ready to be proven wrong but I’m pretty sure it’ll attract a good enough audience. Anecdotally I know a few people who say they’ll watch it for the fact that it’s the first one we’ve had for 70 years and therefore the first one most of us have seen in our lifetimes.

    I see no groundswell of republicanism right now, and I’m not entirely sure where others seem to be seeing it.

    I wont be watching. Charles is way too politically divisive to be an effective monarch.
    Is he politically divisive? The latest Yougov on the royal family has 79% of Conservative voters, 72% of LD voters and 54% of Labour voters having a favourable view of King Charles. Starmer and Sunak would kill for those ratings
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/01/12/prince-harrys-popularity-falls-further-spare-hits-
    Given recent opinion polls that means about 40% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Not good.
    Nope, only 29% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Again ratings Sunak or Starmer would kill for
    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    In other words, only 3 in 5 have an even slightly positive view of the King.

    That's pretty pathetic actually.
    Is it, given his past favourability ratings?
    I think people are naturally rallying round. The significant thing though is the enduring popularity of William and Kate. The monarchy seems utterly secure for the foreseeable.
    That’s certainly how I interpret public opinion.
    William and Kate will be very popular once they, eventually, accede to the throne.

    That could be in 20 years time, mind.
    Unless Charles turns out to be an incredibly unpopular King the monarchy will last till then. Out of the two main parties, only Labour might abolish the monarchy and - a bit like its position on Brexit right now - won't do so if they think it will lose them votes.
    Charles may abdicate in 10 years and retire to Highgrove and hand over to Camilla like the monarchs of Japan, the Netherlands and Spain have abdicated by their late 80s and handed over to their younger sons.

    Even Labour voters want to keep the monarchy by 50% to 36%

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    I could see Charles abdicating in a way I couldn't see HMQEII ever doing.

    He doesn't feel duty in the same way she did, but does feel hard done by in general.
    I could have done too. Right up until his first broadcast as King.
    He handled that superbly.
    The key is he gave a pledge of lifelong service.
    It's a real case of cognitive dissonance. Tories hate jobs for life in the public sector or council houses for life, but love the monarchy. I just can't get my head around it.
    Huh? The whole problem with this lot is that they appoint a lot of useless drunken twats to jobs for life (or at least, jobs that carry fat pensions making them in effect for life).
    I should have said they hate jobs for life for other people!
  • ReedReed Posts: 152
    Interesting article in the telegraph on Tucker Carlson.

    Is this the man in America turning the Ukraine war for Vladimir Putin?

    Tucker Carlson's Fox News show goes out to three million Americans – and flies straight into the Kremlin’s propaganda videos

    ByJosie Ensor, US CORRESPONDENT, NEW YORK18 March 2023 • 12:26pm

    "Ukraine is not a democracy," Tucker Carlson told viewers tuning into his Fox News show in late February, 2022 as Russian tanks rolled towards the Ukrainian border. "It’s a colony with a puppet regime essentially managed by the US State Department."

    It is not clear if the popular television host had tuned into President Vladimir Putin’s national address a day earlier, but the talking points were near-identical.

    Since Russia's invasion, Mr Carlson has advocated forcefully for the dismantling of Nato and repeatedly amplified Kremlin messaging to his some three million viewers, earning him the nickname “Putin’s parrot”.

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Surprisingly (for me anyway) the rugby is being broadcast live in USA on NBC.

    Appears they are getting the RTE feed, certainly commentators are as Irish as Mrs Murphy's potato patch.

    "Brave England" as they said now fighting back.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    Reed said:

    Interesting article in the telegraph on Tucker Carlson.

    Is this the man in America turning the Ukraine war for Vladimir Putin?

    No.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Ireland didn't need a biased ref to win but they've had one anyway. Feckin joke.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Ireland didn't need a biased ref to win but they've had one anyway. Feckin joke.

    I hope the authorities take a look at the red, and how it's a rigid protocol, applied without commonsense, destroying games. Pathetic.
  • ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    Ready to be proven wrong but I’m pretty sure it’ll attract a good enough audience. Anecdotally I know a few people who say they’ll watch it for the fact that it’s the first one we’ve had for 70 years and therefore the first one most of us have seen in our lifetimes.

    I see no groundswell of republicanism right now, and I’m not entirely sure where others seem to be seeing it.

    I wont be watching. Charles is way too politically divisive to be an effective monarch.
    Is he politically divisive? The latest Yougov on the royal family has 79% of Conservative voters, 72% of LD voters and 54% of Labour voters having a favourable view of King Charles. Starmer and Sunak would kill for those ratings
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/01/12/prince-harrys-popularity-falls-further-spare-hits-
    Given recent opinion polls that means about 40% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Not good.
    Nope, only 29% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Again ratings Sunak or Starmer would kill for
    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    In other words, only 3 in 5 have an even slightly positive view of the King.

    That's pretty pathetic actually.
    Is it, given his past favourability ratings?
    I think people are naturally rallying round. The significant thing though is the enduring popularity of William and Kate. The monarchy seems utterly secure for the foreseeable.
    That’s certainly how I interpret public opinion.
    William and Kate will be very popular once they, eventually, accede to the throne.

    That could be in 20 years time, mind.
    Unless Charles turns out to be an incredibly unpopular King the monarchy will last till then. Out of the two main parties, only Labour might abolish the monarchy and - a bit like its position on Brexit right now - won't do so if they think it will lose them votes.
    Charles may abdicate in 10 years and retire to Highgrove and hand over to Camilla like the monarchs of Japan, the Netherlands and Spain have abdicated by their late 80s and handed over to their younger sons.

    Even Labour voters want to keep the monarchy by 50% to 36%

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    I could see Charles abdicating in a way I couldn't see HMQEII ever doing.

    He doesn't feel duty in the same way she did, but does feel hard done by in general.
    I could have done too. Right up until his first broadcast as King.
    He handled that superbly.
    The key is he gave a pledge of lifelong service.
    It's a real case of cognitive dissonance. Tories hate jobs for life in the public sector or council houses for life, but love the monarchy. I just can't get my head around it.
    That just shows the limitations of your puny mind.

    Perhaps if you ate some meat and weren't so angry and misanthropic you might be able to think more clearly.
    Clearly I can't compete with your titanic mind. I'll get by.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    edited March 2023

    Ireland didn't need a biased ref to win but they've had one anyway. Feckin joke.

    Was the ref biased? I havent seen the game. England did well not to be utterly thrashed after going a man down on half time.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    Ireland didn't need a biased ref to win but they've had one anyway. Feckin joke.

    Was the ref biased? I havent seen the game. England did well not to be utterly thrashed after going a man down on half time.
    Every marginal call against England, than no guts to stand up to the crowd over the red. Slow motion always makes incidents look bad. I would ban it and only allow incidents to be reviewed at normal speed.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,267
    It seems to me that a lot of republicans are upset that King Charles didn’t self destruct, the way that they were telling each other he would.

    A monarch, who has interested himself in race relations, the environment, food quality and quality of housing, for decades, failed to prove himself out of touch with the modern world.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,267
    ydoethur said:

    Reed said:

    Interesting article in the telegraph on Tucker Carlson.

    Is this the man in America turning the Ukraine war for Vladimir Putin?

    No.
    A couple of American friends who fell down the MAGA hole seem to be climbing out. A part of this is their revulsion at Fucker Carlson.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,267

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    HYUFD said:

    Reed said:

    Ready to be proven wrong but I’m pretty sure it’ll attract a good enough audience. Anecdotally I know a few people who say they’ll watch it for the fact that it’s the first one we’ve had for 70 years and therefore the first one most of us have seen in our lifetimes.

    I see no groundswell of republicanism right now, and I’m not entirely sure where others seem to be seeing it.

    I wont be watching. Charles is way too politically divisive to be an effective monarch.
    Is he politically divisive? The latest Yougov on the royal family has 79% of Conservative voters, 72% of LD voters and 54% of Labour voters having a favourable view of King Charles. Starmer and Sunak would kill for those ratings
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/01/12/prince-harrys-popularity-falls-further-spare-hits-
    Given recent opinion polls that means about 40% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Not good.
    Nope, only 29% have an unfavourable view of Charles. Again ratings Sunak or Starmer would kill for
    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    In other words, only 3 in 5 have an even slightly positive view of the King.

    That's pretty pathetic actually.
    Is it, given his past favourability ratings?
    I think people are naturally rallying round. The significant thing though is the enduring popularity of William and Kate. The monarchy seems utterly secure for the foreseeable.
    That’s certainly how I interpret public opinion.
    William and Kate will be very popular once they, eventually, accede to the throne.

    That could be in 20 years time, mind.
    Unless Charles turns out to be an incredibly unpopular King the monarchy will last till then. Out of the two main parties, only Labour might abolish the monarchy and - a bit like its position on Brexit right now - won't do so if they think it will lose them votes.
    Charles may abdicate in 10 years and retire to Highgrove and hand over to Camilla like the monarchs of Japan, the Netherlands and Spain have abdicated by their late 80s and handed over to their younger sons.

    Even Labour voters want to keep the monarchy by 50% to 36%

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/leosln75nr/Internal_Royals_230111.pdf
    I could see Charles abdicating in a way I couldn't see HMQEII ever doing.

    He doesn't feel duty in the same way she did, but does feel hard done by in general.
    I could have done too. Right up until his first broadcast as King.
    He handled that superbly.
    The key is he gave a pledge of lifelong service.
    It's a real case of cognitive dissonance. Tories hate jobs for life in the public sector or council houses for life, but love the monarchy. I just can't get my head around it.
    Huh? The whole problem with this lot is that they appoint a lot of useless drunken twats to jobs for life (or at least, jobs that carry fat pensions making them in effect for life).
    I should have said they hate jobs for life for other people!
    The love of jobs for life is quite evenly distributed in our body politic.

    If/when Starmer gets into government, does anyone think that the NU10K will be seriously discombobulated? No - the steady march of failure to new heights will continue. The steady river of golden goodbyes and hellos will continue.

    The nostrums they chant will change, a little, to placate the new rulers. But the same faces will be smiling at you
  • TresTres Posts: 2,696

    It seems to me that a lot of republicans are upset that King Charles didn’t self destruct, the way that they were telling each other he would.

    A monarch, who has interested himself in race relations, the environment, food quality and quality of housing, for decades, failed to prove himself out of touch with the modern world.

    It's early days. Wait till the novelty wears off, for both him and us.
  • I've found my favourite Saint

    Saint Amand(us)

    Patron Saint of wine makers, beer brewers, merchants, innkeepers and bartenders
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,388
    This thread has

    abdicated

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    Events in Scottish politics seem seismic.

    As someone here (I think
    Stuartinromford) has commented correctly, it must have been serious for Sturgeon to resign and give up the significant advantage to her and Murrell of being in office. Are any of the newspapers online doing a rolling blog of events?

    any real news will be on WOS
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,785

    It seems to me that a lot of republicans are upset that King Charles didn’t self destruct, the way that they were telling each other he would.

    A monarch, who has interested himself in race relations, the environment, food quality and quality of housing, for decades, failed to prove himself out of touch with the modern world.

    I am mildly republican - and I have to say I have given Charles zero thought.
  • Birdy71Birdy71 Posts: 2
    It says " .....in a public place". I am definitely going to be watching but at home, like most people I would think. Twisting the narrative here!
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