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  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,962

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    The plaintive little voices asking if we’ve reached peak SNP perhaps right to be plaintive.



  • Cocaine Bear is either the best film I've ever seen or the worst I've ever seen.

    Then I had venison for the first time in five years.

    I need to eat it more often.

    Is there ANYTHING in Cocaine Bear you can't get from the trailer?
    No.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,668
    .

    Eabhal said:

    DougSeal said:

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    You are a very strange and troubled man. I say that as someone who is also, albeit in a radically different way
    "Very strange and troubled man" = most PB posters, tbh. That's pretty much what my girlfriend makes of me.
    I have to confess I am pretty much a normal, well-balanced person. Sorry to let the side down and all that.
    You do seem to have very big ears though.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,567

    Eabhal said:

    DougSeal said:

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    You are a very strange and troubled man. I say that as someone who is also, albeit in a radically different way
    "Very strange and troubled man" = most PB posters, tbh. That's pretty much what my girlfriend makes of me.
    I have to confess I am pretty much a normal, well-balanced person. Sorry to let the side down and all that.
    Can we get a second opinion on that please?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784

    Cocaine Bear is either the best film I've ever seen or the worst I've ever seen.

    Then I had venison for the first time in five years.

    I need to eat it more often.

    Is there ANYTHING in Cocaine Bear you can't get from the trailer?
    Or the title?
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Holyrood Voting Intention

    Constituency Vote (FPTP):

    SNP: 43% (+2)
    Lab: 26% (-2)
    Con: 15% (-3)
    LD: 8% (=)
    Grn: 4% (+2)

    Regional Vote:

    SNP: 35% (=)
    Lab: 25% (-2)
    Con: 16% (-2)
    Grn: 11% (+2)
    LD: 8% (+1)
    Ref: 3% (+1)
    Alba: 2% (=)

    YouGov, 9-13 Mar

    (Changes with 20 Feb)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    edited March 2023
    Did she really say this?

    Kate Forbes has said a gay person should be allowed the “choice” to have conversion therapy.

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1635363097442648067

    Gay conversion therapy is a form of abuse.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434
    maxh said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I have purposefully kept off the topic of SureStart because I admit it is quite a way outside of my knowledge.

    When I made my original comments I was probably thinking more towards the government facilitating more independently conceived community projects and initiatives, as opposed to top-down schemes like SureStart (though I can see the benefit in those too). That just comes from personal philosophy, I think.

    I would like to see more facilities being returned to local communities. I think a lot of what divides us as a society is emphasised when we exist in bubbles.

    If I go to my hypothetical adult illiterally reduced by 50%. What I would actually do if I was in charge is pick the 30 councils with highest adult illiteracy. Say here you are 5 million ring fenced, half adult illiteracy in your area. This is how we are going to measure it. Then go back 2 years later assess them all against target and then roll out the best programs nationwide
    They did have pilot schemes for SureStart for instance. Great minds and all that.
    https://usir.salford.ac.uk/id/eprint/2249/1/finalreportsurestart.pdf


    This is also quite promising (ignore the vbox that asks you to join, the download or read buttons are top right)

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264857750_Sure_Start_Plus_National_Evaluation_Final_Report
    In a former life I evaluated the impact of something called ‘budget holding lead professionals’ which was horrible jargon for a great idea. In short the professionals working closest to eg a kid at risk were given cash to spend on interventions that would help that kid (in consultation with the family).

    The case study that sticks in my mind was a social worker that bought a family a second hand washing machine for £80 or so. The kids clothes were clean, he stopped being bullied at school and avoided likely permanent exclusion with all the attendant costs that come with that. For £80.

    That was a memorable but not unusual example of the impact of the programme. The vfm was amazing.

    But the programme got canned. I remember sitting with the chief executive of Coventry Council when he explained why: ‘if we go forward with this programme, the headlines in the Daily Mail would be “Council buys scroungers washing machines”. We won’t be able to make it work politically.’

    So sad.
    That is sad. Compared to the vast sums spent on care, £80 on a washing machine is bargainous, and helps keep families together. A shame as you say, though it is something that could be replicated by the charity sector.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,941

    Did she really say this?

    Kate Forbes has said a gay person should be allowed the “choice” to have conversion therapy.

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1635363097442648067

    Gay conversion therapy is a form of abuse.

    Sunak is clearly opposed to that.

    If Forbes becomes FM it would be like the SNP electing Ann Widdecombe their leader, it will be hilarious seeing SNP MSPs horror if she wins!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    .

    Eabhal said:

    DougSeal said:

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    You are a very strange and troubled man. I say that as someone who is also, albeit in a radically different way
    "Very strange and troubled man" = most PB posters, tbh. That's pretty much what my girlfriend makes of me.
    I have to confess I am pretty much a normal, well-balanced person. Sorry to let the side down and all that.
    You do seem to have very big ears though.
    Thanks for not mentioning my nose.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,028

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    The plaintive little voices asking if we’ve reached peak SNP perhaps right to be plaintive.



    Do you think any of the candidates can do better then Sturgeon, out of interest?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434

    Did she really say this?

    Kate Forbes has said a gay person should be allowed the “choice” to have conversion therapy.

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1635363097442648067

    Gay conversion therapy is a form of abuse.

    With no source, and a Tweet beneath seeming to contradict this strongly, I think caution is needed.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Yousaf 1/2
    Forbes 2/1

    Yousaf the value there.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,941
    edited March 2023

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    The plaintive little voices asking if we’ve reached peak SNP perhaps right to be plaintive.



    Sturgeon is still SNP leader and FM.

    Meanwhile, in today's Yougov/Sky poll of Scots '27% say Forbes would be a good first minister.

    A total of 22% said the same about health secretary Mr Yousaf and 14% thought positively of ex-minister Ms Regan.

    But all three recorded higher figures when it came to those who thought they would be a bad leader of the country - 44% for Mr Yousaf, 39% for Ms Regan and 36% for Ms Forbes.

    And most thought they would be worse at the top job than the outgoing Ms Sturgeon, with just 17% thinking Ms Forbes would do better, 8% thinking Ms Regan would be an improvement and 6% thinking Mr Yousaf would be an upgrade.'
    https://news.sky.com/story/snp-leadership-scottish-independence-support-at-just-39-poll-says-12832783
  • Did she really say this?

    Kate Forbes has said a gay person should be allowed the “choice” to have conversion therapy.

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1635363097442648067

    Gay conversion therapy is a form of abuse.

    With no source, and a Tweet beneath seeming to contradict this strongly, I think caution is needed.
    Footage

    https://twitter.com/AlexofBrown/status/1635374493672816641
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,962
    edited March 2023

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    The plaintive little voices asking if we’ve reached peak SNP perhaps right to be plaintive.



    Do you think any of the candidates can do better then Sturgeon, out of interest?
    Unlikely, and certainly not Regan. However to quote a PBer in another context, either of the other two may surprise on the upside.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    That's 4 Scottish poll leads of 10% or less in a row. Yet around a year ago YouGov were publishing headline leads of 24% and 28%.

    Your relief when celebrating an increase in a YouGov poll of 1% is palpable and revealing.

    It seems a tad premature though. Look at Yousless's ratings in that same poll that you are lauding.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,657

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    The plaintive little voices asking if we’ve reached peak SNP perhaps right to be plaintive.



    Do you think any of the candidates can do better then Sturgeon, out of interest?
    Unlikely, and certainly not Regan. However to quote a PBer in another context, either of the other two may surprise on the upside.
    Is that code for their being so low in your estimation that further downside is not possible, leaving only upside?
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Labour Rebuttals Unit snake slithers out from under rock. Plus ça change.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    In 2009 I was paid £15/hr as a pool lifeguard.
    In 2023 I have a BSc, a masters, a medical degree, surgical postgrad exams and teach junior doctors.
    They pay me £19.10/hr before tax.
    Many operations don't take the full hour to complete.
    #JuniorDoctorsStrike



    https://twitter.com/beckybeckyfish/status/1635298363947233282?s=46
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    Foxy said:

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    The plaintive little voices asking if we’ve reached peak SNP perhaps right to be plaintive.



    Do you think any of the candidates can do better then Sturgeon, out of interest?
    Unlikely, and certainly not Regan. However to quote a PBer in another context, either of the other two may surprise on the upside.
    Is that code for their being so low in your estimation that further downside is not possible, leaving only upside?
    It didn't turn out to be the case with Truss who managed to surprise even her harshest critics on the downside.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,962
    Foxy said:

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    The plaintive little voices asking if we’ve reached peak SNP perhaps right to be plaintive.



    Do you think any of the candidates can do better then Sturgeon, out of interest?
    Unlikely, and certainly not Regan. However to quote a PBer in another context, either of the other two may surprise on the upside.
    Is that code for their being so low in your estimation that further downside is not possible, leaving only upside?
    No, they’re nowhere near as awful as the recent Tory beauty parade inflicted upon us, so a shorter journey to the upside.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,657

    Foxy said:

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    The plaintive little voices asking if we’ve reached peak SNP perhaps right to be plaintive.



    Do you think any of the candidates can do better then Sturgeon, out of interest?
    Unlikely, and certainly not Regan. However to quote a PBer in another context, either of the other two may surprise on the upside.
    Is that code for their being so low in your estimation that further downside is not possible, leaving only upside?
    No, they’re nowhere near as awful as the recent Tory beauty parade inflicted upon us, so a shorter journey to the upside.
    They all look pretty poor to me.

    What a parcel of rogues in a nation!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,941

    Holyrood Voting Intention

    Constituency Vote (FPTP):

    SNP: 43% (+2)
    Lab: 26% (-2)
    Con: 15% (-3)
    LD: 8% (=)
    Grn: 4% (+2)

    Regional Vote:

    SNP: 35% (=)
    Lab: 25% (-2)
    Con: 16% (-2)
    Grn: 11% (+2)
    LD: 8% (+1)
    Ref: 3% (+1)
    Alba: 2% (=)

    YouGov, 9-13 Mar

    (Changes with 20 Feb)

    In 2021 the SNP also got 48% on the constituency vote and 40% on the regional vote, so even under Sturgeon it is declining
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434

    Did she really say this?

    Kate Forbes has said a gay person should be allowed the “choice” to have conversion therapy.

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1635363097442648067

    Gay conversion therapy is a form of abuse.

    With no source, and a Tweet beneath seeming to contradict this strongly, I think caution is needed.
    Footage

    https://twitter.com/AlexofBrown/status/1635374493672816641
    That footage directly contradicts the original Tweet.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,999
    Here's a story that illustrates just how tied together everything is. Recently, a Ukrainian family arrived, as refugees in this area. The family used their savings to buy a used Kia for about 9K, so the father could use it to look for work. A week or two after they bought it, it was stolen by a group of teenagers, who took it for a joy ride, and wrecked it.

    Where they are staying, Covington, a Seattle exurb, they would need a car.

    Why a Kia? Probably because there have been videos on TikTok showing how easy it is to steal some models of Kias and Hyundais. (Those, as I understand it, with old-fashioned ignition keys, instead of fobs.)

    The good news is that a GoFundMe sitehas already raised -- when last I heard -- 14K for the family.

    So, Ukrainian refugees in America, who bought a South Korean car, had it stolen, most likely because of a video (American?) on a Chinese social media site, but have been rescued, possibly, by American donors.

    (I would have chipped in a few bucks had I known about their loss in time.)

  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    edited March 2023
    DougSeal said:

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    You are a very strange and troubled man. I say that as someone who is also, albeit in a radically different way
    Well Mr Dickson has just called me a snake, so I have to hiss and agree with you.

  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    The plaintive little voices asking if we’ve reached peak SNP perhaps right to be plaintive.



    Do you think any of the candidates can do better then Sturgeon, out of interest?
    Unlikely, and certainly not Regan. However to quote a PBer in another context, either of the other two may surprise on the upside.
    Is that code for their being so low in your estimation that further downside is not possible, leaving only upside?
    No, they’re nowhere near as awful as the recent Tory beauty parade inflicted upon us, so a shorter journey to the upside.
    They all look pretty poor to me.

    What a parcel of rogues in a nation!
    Hey @Foxy what is this strike all about. An outsider's impression is that (junior or indeed any) doctors are paid a fortune now and will be paid even more of a fortune as they progress further.

    What's the scoop behind the £19/hr.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930

    Did she really say this?

    Kate Forbes has said a gay person should be allowed the “choice” to have conversion therapy.

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1635363097442648067

    Gay conversion therapy is a form of abuse.

    With no source, and a Tweet beneath seeming to contradict this strongly, I think caution is needed.
    Footage

    https://twitter.com/AlexofBrown/status/1635374493672816641
    That footage directly contradicts the original Tweet.
    Yes, at the end she said she doesn’t think conversion therapy should be allowed.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,962
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    The plaintive little voices asking if we’ve reached peak SNP perhaps right to be plaintive.



    Do you think any of the candidates can do better then Sturgeon, out of interest?
    Unlikely, and certainly not Regan. However to quote a PBer in another context, either of the other two may surprise on the upside.
    Is that code for their being so low in your estimation that further downside is not possible, leaving only upside?
    No, they’re nowhere near as awful as the recent Tory beauty parade inflicted upon us, so a shorter journey to the upside.
    They all look pretty poor to me.

    What a parcel of rogues in a nation!
    Well at least we’re responsible for our own parcel, while we get your’s rammed through our letterbox whether we like it or not.
  • Did she really say this?

    Kate Forbes has said a gay person should be allowed the “choice” to have conversion therapy.

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1635363097442648067

    Gay conversion therapy is a form of abuse.

    With no source, and a Tweet beneath seeming to contradict this strongly, I think caution is needed.
    Footage

    https://twitter.com/AlexofBrown/status/1635374493672816641
    That footage directly contradicts the original Tweet.
    Yup.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813

    Did she really say this?

    Kate Forbes has said a gay person should be allowed the “choice” to have conversion therapy.

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1635363097442648067

    Gay conversion therapy is a form of abuse.

    With no source, and a Tweet beneath seeming to contradict this strongly, I think caution is needed.
    Footage

    https://twitter.com/AlexofBrown/status/1635374493672816641
    Bizarre answer though, it's "his choice" but she doesn't think it should be allowed..?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,657
    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    The plaintive little voices asking if we’ve reached peak SNP perhaps right to be plaintive.



    Do you think any of the candidates can do better then Sturgeon, out of interest?
    Unlikely, and certainly not Regan. However to quote a PBer in another context, either of the other two may surprise on the upside.
    Is that code for their being so low in your estimation that further downside is not possible, leaving only upside?
    No, they’re nowhere near as awful as the recent Tory beauty parade inflicted upon us, so a shorter journey to the upside.
    They all look pretty poor to me.

    What a parcel of rogues in a nation!
    Hey @Foxy what is this strike all about. An outsider's impression is that (junior or indeed any) doctors are paid a fortune now and will be paid even more of a fortune as they progress further.

    What's the scoop behind the £19/hr.
    That is what they are asking as the starting rate.

    They got a 9% real terms pay cut this year, equivalent to working a month extra for no pay. Of course they are striking. Who would accept that lying down?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Cocaine Bear is either the best film I've ever seen or the worst I've ever seen.

    Then I had venison for the first time in five years.

    I need to eat it more often.

    It's neither the best or worst. But I liked it. It was dumb, but its humour worked.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434

    Did she really say this?

    Kate Forbes has said a gay person should be allowed the “choice” to have conversion therapy.

    https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1635363097442648067

    Gay conversion therapy is a form of abuse.

    With no source, and a Tweet beneath seeming to contradict this strongly, I think caution is needed.
    Footage

    https://twitter.com/AlexofBrown/status/1635374493672816641
    Bizarre answer though, it's "his choice" but she doesn't think it should be allowed..?
    Yes, it is contradictory, and frankly, I think personally she's probably OK with conversion therapy (or believes Bible reading and long walks are the answer). However, though her initial response is odd, she definitely sticks to the line that it shouldn't be allowed.
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,293

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    That's 4 Scottish poll leads of 10% or less in a row. Yet around a year ago YouGov were publishing headline leads of 24% and 28%.

    Your relief when celebrating an increase in a YouGov poll of 1% is palpable and revealing.

    It seems a tad premature though. Look at Yousless's ratings in that same poll that you are lauding.

    What seems to be the case is from the Survation, R&W, and Yougov polls is that...
    -Scottish Labour have hit 30% in the GE polls and may well be above it
    -The SNP may well have fallen below 40%
    -Scottish Labour are now starting to attract 2014 yes voters from the SNP, rather than just unionists from the SCONS.
    -There doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm for any of Sturgeon's successors
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    The plaintive little voices asking if we’ve reached peak SNP perhaps right to be plaintive.



    Do you think any of the candidates can do better then Sturgeon, out of interest?
    Unlikely, and certainly not Regan. However to quote a PBer in another context, either of the other two may surprise on the upside.
    Is that code for their being so low in your estimation that further downside is not possible, leaving only upside?
    No, they’re nowhere near as awful as the recent Tory beauty parade inflicted upon us, so a shorter journey to the upside.
    They all look pretty poor to me.

    What a parcel of rogues in a nation!
    Hey @Foxy what is this strike all about. An outsider's impression is that (junior or indeed any) doctors are paid a fortune now and will be paid even more of a fortune as they progress further.

    What's the scoop behind the £19/hr.
    That is what they are asking as the starting rate.

    They got a 9% real terms pay cut this year, equivalent to working a month extra for no pay. Of course they are striking. Who would accept that lying down?
    So what does the median "junior doctor" earn either per hour or annually.

    And what is the expected career/salary path of a junior doctor.

    I'm sure they don't all end up as consultants dividing their time between the odd NHS clinic and their Harley Street practices earning squillions but have we got it wrong that doctors are relatively very well paid?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,258

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    If you don’t like it you can collect your membership fee and leave
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,657

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    The plaintive little voices asking if we’ve reached peak SNP perhaps right to be plaintive.



    Do you think any of the candidates can do better then Sturgeon, out of interest?
    Unlikely, and certainly not Regan. However to quote a PBer in another context, either of the other two may surprise on the upside.
    Is that code for their being so low in your estimation that further downside is not possible, leaving only upside?
    No, they’re nowhere near as awful as the recent Tory beauty parade inflicted upon us, so a shorter journey to the upside.
    They all look pretty poor to me.

    What a parcel of rogues in a nation!
    Well at least we’re responsible for our own parcel, while we get your’s rammed through our letterbox whether we like it or not.
    I am not very keen on our options either.

    Surely there is someone better in Scotland than these 3 though?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited March 2023

    Cocaine Bear is either the best film I've ever seen or the worst I've ever seen.

    Then I had venison for the first time in five years.

    I need to eat it more often.

    I’m not changing my mind about Everything Everywhere All At Once. It’s still overlong, boring, unfunny, confused, over acted, dud of a film.

    Elvis was OK though.
    Critics love originality. EEAAO was bloody weird, and that has its merits, I couldn't say I disliked it, but personally the emotional bits never gripped me. I get why people love it, but it'll be interesting to see if it is one of those films with cultural staying power.

    Problem for me is the only other Best Picture nominees I actually saw were Top Gun Maverick and Avatar 2, and while I loved the former I'd be hard pressed to call it a worthy winner either, so cannot really judge.

    I had zero interest watching Elvis.

    Still a bit more variety than usual maybe? From the wikipedia summaries

    Absurdist comedy-drama
    Foreign anti-war film
    Epic Sci-fi
    Black tragicomedy
    Biographical film
    Coming of age semi-autobiographical
    Psycologiacl drama
    Action drama
    Satirical black comedy
    Drama
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    .
    MaxPB said:

    We got Jen down early so we watched Everything Everywhere All At Once on Amazon prime.

    Absolutely brilliant. My wife was in tears at points. It's been a really difficult few months for me and for my wife, there are times when we've been bullet proof but even we've realised we've been drifting apart since the end of last year because having a kid - not easy. Being reminded that we need to take joy from the smaller things in life and be kind to each other was very timely.

    It's a 100% must watch. Easily the best movie we've had in a very, very long time.

    I enjoyed it a lot, too.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    MaxPB said:

    We got Jen down early so we watched Everything Everywhere All At Once on Amazon prime.

    Absolutely brilliant. My wife was in tears at points. It's been a really difficult few months for me and for my wife, there are times when we've been bullet proof but even we've realised we've been drifting apart since the end of last year because having a kid - not easy. Being reminded that we need to take joy from the smaller things in life and be kind to each other was very timely.

    It's a 100% must watch. Easily the best movie we've had in a very, very long time.

    Glad you enjoyed it and sorry to hear about the challenges of parenthood.

    The film is absolutely fantastic. I have been a Michelle Yeoh fan for I can say decades (I used to go to the all night Leicester Square cinema Chinese kung fu film showings) and she absolutely deserves the award, as do they all.

    The film is just a riot of enjoyment and as you say, repays sitting back and letting it flow over you. I hope you have more such shared experiences with Jen. Sounds like it is a good tonic.

    I mean you could do worse than watch (again?) Crouching Tiger...
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    maxh said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I have purposefully kept off the topic of SureStart because I admit it is quite a way outside of my knowledge.

    When I made my original comments I was probably thinking more towards the government facilitating more independently conceived community projects and initiatives, as opposed to top-down schemes like SureStart (though I can see the benefit in those too). That just comes from personal philosophy, I think.

    I would like to see more facilities being returned to local communities. I think a lot of what divides us as a society is emphasised when we exist in bubbles.

    If I go to my hypothetical adult illiterally reduced by 50%. What I would actually do if I was in charge is pick the 30 councils with highest adult illiteracy. Say here you are 5 million ring fenced, half adult illiteracy in your area. This is how we are going to measure it. Then go back 2 years later assess them all against target and then roll out the best programs nationwide
    They did have pilot schemes for SureStart for instance. Great minds and all that.
    https://usir.salford.ac.uk/id/eprint/2249/1/finalreportsurestart.pdf


    This is also quite promising (ignore the vbox that asks you to join, the download or read buttons are top right)

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264857750_Sure_Start_Plus_National_Evaluation_Final_Report
    In a former life I evaluated the impact of something called ‘budget holding lead professionals’ which was horrible jargon for a great idea. In short the professionals working closest to eg a kid at risk were given cash to spend on interventions that would help that kid (in consultation with the family).

    The case study that sticks in my mind was a social worker that bought a family a second hand washing machine for £80 or so. The kids clothes were clean, he stopped being bullied at school and avoided likely permanent exclusion with all the attendant costs that come with that. For £80.

    That was a memorable but not unusual example of the impact of the programme. The vfm was amazing.

    But the programme got canned. I remember sitting with the chief executive of Coventry Council when he explained why: ‘if we go forward with this programme, the headlines in the Daily Mail would be “Council buys scroungers washing machines”. We won’t be able to make it work politically.’

    So sad.
    That is sad. Compared to the vast sums spent on care, £80 on a washing machine is bargainous, and helps keep families together. A shame as you say, though it is something that could be replicated by the charity sector.
    It’s the sort of thing you throw an annual grant at a charity to perform - issue is you lose a bit of control and the council may not want that
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,657
    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    The plaintive little voices asking if we’ve reached peak SNP perhaps right to be plaintive.



    Do you think any of the candidates can do better then Sturgeon, out of interest?
    Unlikely, and certainly not Regan. However to quote a PBer in another context, either of the other two may surprise on the upside.
    Is that code for their being so low in your estimation that further downside is not possible, leaving only upside?
    No, they’re nowhere near as awful as the recent Tory beauty parade inflicted upon us, so a shorter journey to the upside.
    They all look pretty poor to me.

    What a parcel of rogues in a nation!
    Hey @Foxy what is this strike all about. An outsider's impression is that (junior or indeed any) doctors are paid a fortune now and will be paid even more of a fortune as they progress further.

    What's the scoop behind the £19/hr.
    That is what they are asking as the starting rate.

    They got a 9% real terms pay cut this year, equivalent to working a month extra for no pay. Of course they are striking. Who would accept that lying down?
    So what does the median "junior doctor" earn either per hour or annually.

    And what is the expected career/salary path of a junior doctor.

    I'm sure they don't all end up as consultants dividing their time between the odd NHS clinic and their Harley Street practices earning squillions but have we got it wrong that doctors are relatively very well paid?
    Not all are, and the juniors do have expenses above what I had 30 years ago, in terms of tuition fees etc.

    It is about staff retention and morale.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 9,871
    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    maxh said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I have purposefully kept off the topic of SureStart because I admit it is quite a way outside of my knowledge.

    When I made my original comments I was probably thinking more towards the government facilitating more independently conceived community projects and initiatives, as opposed to top-down schemes like SureStart (though I can see the benefit in those too). That just comes from personal philosophy, I think.

    I would like to see more facilities being returned to local communities. I think a lot of what divides us as a society is emphasised when we exist in bubbles.

    If I go to my hypothetical adult illiterally reduced by 50%. What I would actually do if I was in charge is pick the 30 councils with highest adult illiteracy. Say here you are 5 million ring fenced, half adult illiteracy in your area. This is how we are going to measure it. Then go back 2 years later assess them all against target and then roll out the best programs nationwide
    They did have pilot schemes for SureStart for instance. Great minds and all that.
    https://usir.salford.ac.uk/id/eprint/2249/1/finalreportsurestart.pdf


    This is also quite promising (ignore the vbox that asks you to join, the download or read buttons are top right)

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264857750_Sure_Start_Plus_National_Evaluation_Final_Report
    In a former life I evaluated the impact of something called ‘budget holding lead professionals’ which was horrible jargon for a great idea. In short the professionals working closest to eg a kid at risk were given cash to spend on interventions that would help that kid (in consultation with the family).

    The case study that sticks in my mind was a social worker that bought a family a second hand washing machine for £80 or so. The kids clothes were clean, he stopped being bullied at school and avoided likely permanent exclusion with all the attendant costs that come with that. For £80.

    That was a memorable but not unusual example of the impact of the programme. The vfm was amazing.

    But the programme got canned. I remember sitting with the chief executive of Coventry Council when he explained why: ‘if we go forward with this programme, the headlines in the Daily Mail would be “Council buys scroungers washing machines”. We won’t be able to make it work politically.’

    So sad.
    An example of something that was actually working and gave bang for buck

    Politics is the poison in the national discourse
    I want solutions that deliver who gives a shit about the politics
    So long as theyt come out in the wash!
    shrugs joke all you want but I am all for pragmatism....this sounds

    stodge said:

    In the week of the Budget, I think it's worth remembering the current wage rises which are lauded by the Government and its supporters are bringing more people into the tax system because of the freeze on personal allowances.

    I've seen a figure of 700,000 families now paying tax because rising earnings have brought them above the tax threshold - at the same time, rising wages are drawing more and more into the upper tax bracket as personal allowances are frozen.

    It's little surprise the public finances seem to be doing better as so many who previously paid lower levels of tax are now, thanks to inflation, paying more tax - one might almost call it a stealth tax rise and for those of us who remember the Osborne years, a real sense of deja vu.

    It's interesting the siren calls to cut corporation tax are much louder than those to raise personal allowances above the rate of inflation.

    Interesting piece in City AM this morning on the issue of returning those aged 50 and above to work. It seems incentives mean nothing in the face of cultural mindset - 71% of those aged 45 and over think there is a bias against recruiting older workers. Should we be looking at tax breaks for companies who employ a high percentage of older workers?

    Should be taking any notice of City AM where the term "tax cut" is replaced by "the lifting of tax revenue rates" ?

    Something many of my peers are finding. Getting work when over 50 is a real struggle. Even though you may have a decade and a half of working life still ahead of you and the average time someone in their 20s stays in the same job is 3 years, employers look at older workers and think they are going to be retiring as soon as they are trained up.

    I am not sure how you deal with this - particularly as I also advocate extending national insurance to those working after retirement - but it is true it is a real issue.
    I looked for a job last year aged 55....now 56. I used hackajob and I was getting companies contacting me to interview me every day...job I finally got was a week between first contact and contract. I think it depends on industry
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    The worry about the SNP rating holding up even as the Sturgeon replacements go after each other and do not poll brilliantly (by and large), is that it could mean that once they pick a winner they will be more adept at reunifying that I personally would like, if the base is not even temporarily rattled.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    TOPPING said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    The plaintive little voices asking if we’ve reached peak SNP perhaps right to be plaintive.



    Do you think any of the candidates can do better then Sturgeon, out of interest?
    Unlikely, and certainly not Regan. However to quote a PBer in another context, either of the other two may surprise on the upside.
    Is that code for their being so low in your estimation that further downside is not possible, leaving only upside?
    No, they’re nowhere near as awful as the recent Tory beauty parade inflicted upon us, so a shorter journey to the upside.
    They all look pretty poor to me.

    What a parcel of rogues in a nation!
    Hey @Foxy what is this strike all about. An outsider's impression is that (junior or indeed any) doctors are paid a fortune now and will be paid even more of a fortune as they progress further.

    What's the scoop behind the £19/hr.
    That is what they are asking as the starting rate.

    They got a 9% real terms pay cut this year, equivalent to working a month extra for no pay. Of course they are striking. Who would accept that lying down?
    So what does the median "junior doctor" earn either per hour or annually.

    And what is the expected career/salary path of a junior doctor.

    I'm sure they don't all end up as consultants dividing their time between the odd NHS clinic and their Harley Street practices earning squillions but have we got it wrong that doctors are relatively very well paid?
    Not all are, and the juniors do have expenses above what I had 30 years ago, in terms of tuition fees etc.

    It is about staff retention and morale.
    Yeah I get all that but are "junior doctors", which term I understand covers a lot of doctors, "underpaid".

    What is the median salary? And do some underpaid junior doctors remain underpaid junior doctors for their entire career or do many or the majority move onwards to better (paying) medical jobs?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,154

    In 2009 I was paid £15/hr as a pool lifeguard.
    In 2023 I have a BSc, a masters, a medical degree, surgical postgrad exams and teach junior doctors.
    They pay me £19.10/hr before tax.
    Many operations don't take the full hour to complete.
    #JuniorDoctorsStrike



    https://twitter.com/beckybeckyfish/status/1635298363947233282?s=46

    And how much does she get selling the appendix on the black market?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811
    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    We got Jen down early so we watched Everything Everywhere All At Once on Amazon prime.

    Absolutely brilliant. My wife was in tears at points. It's been a really difficult few months for me and for my wife, there are times when we've been bullet proof but even we've realised we've been drifting apart since the end of last year because having a kid - not easy. Being reminded that we need to take joy from the smaller things in life and be kind to each other was very timely.

    It's a 100% must watch. Easily the best movie we've had in a very, very long time.

    Glad you enjoyed it and sorry to hear about the challenges of parenthood.

    The film is absolutely fantastic. I have been a Michelle Yeoh fan for I can say decades (I used to go to the all night Leicester Square cinema Chinese kung fu film showings) and she absolutely deserves the award, as do they all.

    The film is just a riot of enjoyment and as you say, repays sitting back and letting it flow over you. I hope you have more such shared experiences with Jen. Sounds like it is a good tonic.

    I mean you could do worse than watch (again?) Crouching Tiger...
    Yeah big fan of Michelle Yeoh, think I saw her in Crouching Tiger all those years ago and decided to keep up with as many of her movies as possible.

    For me the star turn was the husband. It's so easy to be cynical about everything and everyone around us and I think it's more difficult these days to be positive and kind. It's a reminder that we should try and be positive for those around us because not everyone has that in their lives.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Bloody hell, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is 20yrs old this year.

    Seems like yesterday. And I heard that Michelle Yeoh did her ACL on Day 2 of filming, waited a week or so for it to mend/had it mended, and was back on set two weeks later doing all the fight scenes.

    Fantastic. She is a goddess.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    MaxPB said:

    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    We got Jen down early so we watched Everything Everywhere All At Once on Amazon prime.

    Absolutely brilliant. My wife was in tears at points. It's been a really difficult few months for me and for my wife, there are times when we've been bullet proof but even we've realised we've been drifting apart since the end of last year because having a kid - not easy. Being reminded that we need to take joy from the smaller things in life and be kind to each other was very timely.

    It's a 100% must watch. Easily the best movie we've had in a very, very long time.

    Glad you enjoyed it and sorry to hear about the challenges of parenthood.

    The film is absolutely fantastic. I have been a Michelle Yeoh fan for I can say decades (I used to go to the all night Leicester Square cinema Chinese kung fu film showings) and she absolutely deserves the award, as do they all.

    The film is just a riot of enjoyment and as you say, repays sitting back and letting it flow over you. I hope you have more such shared experiences with Jen. Sounds like it is a good tonic.

    I mean you could do worse than watch (again?) Crouching Tiger...
    Yeah big fan of Michelle Yeoh, think I saw her in Crouching Tiger all those years ago and decided to keep up with as many of her movies as possible.

    For me the star turn was the husband. It's so easy to be cynical about everything and everyone around us and I think it's more difficult these days to be positive and kind. It's a reminder that we should try and be positive for those around us because not everyone has that in their lives.
    Absolutely. He had an endearing ingenuousness that we could all learn from. Especially on PB.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    MaxPB said:

    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    We got Jen down early so we watched Everything Everywhere All At Once on Amazon prime.

    Absolutely brilliant. My wife was in tears at points. It's been a really difficult few months for me and for my wife, there are times when we've been bullet proof but even we've realised we've been drifting apart since the end of last year because having a kid - not easy. Being reminded that we need to take joy from the smaller things in life and be kind to each other was very timely.

    It's a 100% must watch. Easily the best movie we've had in a very, very long time.

    Glad you enjoyed it and sorry to hear about the challenges of parenthood.

    The film is absolutely fantastic. I have been a Michelle Yeoh fan for I can say decades (I used to go to the all night Leicester Square cinema Chinese kung fu film showings) and she absolutely deserves the award, as do they all.

    The film is just a riot of enjoyment and as you say, repays sitting back and letting it flow over you. I hope you have more such shared experiences with Jen. Sounds like it is a good tonic.

    I mean you could do worse than watch (again?) Crouching Tiger...
    Yeah big fan of Michelle Yeoh, think I saw her in Crouching Tiger all those years ago and decided to keep up with as many of her movies as possible.

    For me the star turn was the husband. It's so easy to be cynical about everything and everyone around us and I think it's more difficult these days to be positive and kind. It's a reminder that we should try and be positive for those around us because not everyone has that in their lives.
    There's a tendency, particularly online, to assume someone positive is a sucker, or a shill. I've certainly indulged in that a bit myself. But on the former, there are worse things to be, if the alternative is blackly cynical miserablism.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    MaxPB said:

    We got Jen down early so we watched Everything Everywhere All At Once on Amazon prime.

    Absolutely brilliant. My wife was in tears at points. It's been a really difficult few months for me and for my wife, there are times when we've been bullet proof but even we've realised we've been drifting apart since the end of last year because having a kid - not easy. Being reminded that we need to take joy from the smaller things in life and be kind to each other was very timely.

    It's a 100% must watch. Easily the best movie we've had in a very, very long time.

    I have always been a fan of Ms Yeoh ever since Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, which is a great little gem of a film. I will have to catch it.

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    rcs1000 said:

    Cocaine Bear is either the best film I've ever seen or the worst I've ever seen.

    Then I had venison for the first time in five years.

    I need to eat it more often.

    I had venison last week, and it was excellent. I told the Maitre D that it was woke, and I was accepting his recommendation only under protest. But he looked at me like I was quite mad.



    I'm, confused. Where's Leon?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,258
    rcs1000 said:

    In 2009 I was paid £15/hr as a pool lifeguard.
    In 2023 I have a BSc, a masters, a medical degree, surgical postgrad exams and teach junior doctors.
    They pay me £19.10/hr before tax.
    Many operations don't take the full hour to complete.
    #JuniorDoctorsStrike



    https://twitter.com/beckybeckyfish/status/1635298363947233282?s=46

    And how much does she get selling the appendix on the black market?
    24.1 minutes is a remarkably precise time to be taking out an appendix. Does she include prep time?

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    rcs1000 said:

    In 2009 I was paid £15/hr as a pool lifeguard.
    In 2023 I have a BSc, a masters, a medical degree, surgical postgrad exams and teach junior doctors.
    They pay me £19.10/hr before tax.
    Many operations don't take the full hour to complete.
    #JuniorDoctorsStrike



    https://twitter.com/beckybeckyfish/status/1635298363947233282?s=46

    And how much does she get selling the appendix on the black market?
    And you thought that was venison you ate?
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    edited March 2023

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    That's 4 Scottish poll leads of 10% or less in a row. Yet around a year ago YouGov were publishing headline leads of 24% and 28%.

    Your relief when celebrating an increase in a YouGov poll of 1% is palpable and revealing.

    It seems a tad premature though. Look at Yousless's ratings in that same poll that you are lauding.

    What seems to be the case is from the Survation, R&W, and Yougov polls is that...
    -Scottish Labour have hit 30% in the GE polls and may well be above it
    -The SNP may well have fallen below 40%
    -Scottish Labour are now starting to attract 2014 yes voters from the SNP, rather than just unionists from the SCONS.
    -There doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm for any of Sturgeon's successors
    Yes.

    Also, as TSE pointed out in the last but one thread ("IS IT SCÖTTERDÄMMERUNG FOR THE SNP?"*) the changes in the net favourability ratings in the R&W poll are significant too. Lab with a net +10% favourability, SNP -1%. Unlike the headline figures in the R&W poll, the favourability ratings weren't subject to the (highly suspect) turnout adjustment applied to VI figures, so this time the opinions of a third of 2019 Lab voters weren't dismissed from the published result.


    *Sorry Stuart, I'm quoting the PB thread header in capitals but then every PB thread header is written in capitals so maybe you'll just have to live with that. Besides it's easier to cut and paste rather that retype and I don't know the code to type umlauts.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    rcs1000 said:

    Cocaine Bear is either the best film I've ever seen or the worst I've ever seen.

    Then I had venison for the first time in five years.

    I need to eat it more often.

    I had venison last week, and it was excellent. I told the Maitre D that it was woke, and I was accepting his recommendation only under protest. But he looked at me like I was quite mad.



    I'm, confused. Where's Leon?
    So, has Leon been banned so that @rcs1000 can take over his restaurant reviewing duties?
    Broke the cardinal rule of showing himself - how can I imagine myself eating the delicious venison onscreen if the illusion it is from my POV is broken?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,941
    Starmer amendment on illegal migration bill defeated 312 to 249
  • HYUFD said:

    Starmer amendment on illegal migration bill defeated 312 to 249

    The details will be interesting
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    Oh @Foxy seems to have headed off.

    Does anyone know the average salaries and likely career prospects of junior doctors?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052
    edited March 2023

    In 2009 I was paid £15/hr as a pool lifeguard.
    In 2023 I have a BSc, a masters, a medical degree, surgical postgrad exams and teach junior doctors.
    They pay me £19.10/hr before tax.
    Many operations don't take the full hour to complete.
    #JuniorDoctorsStrike



    https://twitter.com/beckybeckyfish/status/1635298363947233282?s=46

    I wonder why she doesn’t list her actual salary? Could it be that no one would have any sympathy, certainly not for a 35% increase?

    By all means she should complain about the amount of work, but perhaps we might use the cash she wants to spend on a bigger house without solving the problem* in recruiting more staff instead…..?

    *Is the BMA logic that they are happy with the hours so long as they get more beer tokens?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811
    TOPPING said:

    Oh @Foxy seems to have headed off.

    Does anyone know the average salaries and likely career prospects of junior doctors?

    ~£35k for juniors. Once they've done their training they're at ~£50k, once they've specialised anywhere from £80k-£150k. From graduation to specialism takes about 8-10 years.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,146
    Yes, feelgood Oscars this year. Opposite to last year in that sense.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,811
    Anyway with that it's time for me to log off for the evening, Jen's down again so quality time beckons.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    In 2009 I was paid £15/hr as a pool lifeguard.
    In 2023 I have a BSc, a masters, a medical degree, surgical postgrad exams and teach junior doctors.
    They pay me £19.10/hr before tax.
    Many operations don't take the full hour to complete.
    #JuniorDoctorsStrike



    https://twitter.com/beckybeckyfish/status/1635298363947233282?s=46

    About 36K a year. Presumably she will rise up the pay scale as she goes.
    You can argue about what medics should be paid. You can look at degradation relatively over the years (academia has seen this too). But I think using hourly rates is trying to disguise what is not a terrible salary, and this idea that she gets paid £7 to remove a kidney, or whatever, is rather puerile.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    rcs1000 said:

    Cocaine Bear is either the best film I've ever seen or the worst I've ever seen.

    Then I had venison for the first time in five years.

    I need to eat it more often.

    I had venison last week, and it was excellent. I told the Maitre D that it was woke, and I was accepting his recommendation only under protest. But he looked at me like I was quite mad.



    I think that I'd be calling in at the chip shop on the way home if that was all I was given on my plate.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,941
    edited March 2023
    MaxPB said:

    We got Jen down early so we watched Everything Everywhere All At Once on Amazon prime.

    Absolutely brilliant. My wife was in tears at points. It's been a really difficult few months for me and for my wife, there are times when we've been bullet proof but even we've realised we've been drifting apart since the end of last year because having a kid - not easy. Being reminded that we need to take joy from the smaller things in life and be kind to each other was very timely.

    It's a 100% must watch. Easily the best movie we've had in a very, very long time.

    Top Gun Maverick though and All Quiet on the Western front also strong contenders, Austin Butler should have won Best Actor for his Elvis too in my view even if it was an emotional win for Brendan Fraser.

    I am sure Everything Everywhere is enjoyable but it is yet another year where the films most of the punters watch do not win the Oscars. Indeed a genuinely big box office hit hasn't won the Oscar for best film since the King's Speech and Slumdog Millionaire over 10 years ago, no wonder Oscars viewing figures continue to decline and the last one to make more than a billion dollars was Lord of the Rings
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,052

    No PB header IN CAPITAL LETTERS slagging off the latest Scottish poll?

    Whyever not?? According to PB the SNP and SLab were neck and neck a couple of days ago. We deserve to be told why the SNP now suddenly has a 10 point lead.

    Either the SNP has had a fantastic week… or PB publishes a load of blatant shite. You decide.

    That's 4 Scottish poll leads of 10% or less in a row. Yet around a year ago YouGov were publishing headline leads of 24% and 28%.

    Your relief when celebrating an increase in a YouGov poll of 1% is palpable and revealing.

    It seems a tad premature though. Look at Yousless's ratings in that same poll that you are lauding.

    What seems to be the case is from the Survation, R&W, and Yougov polls is that...
    -Scottish Labour have hit 30% in the GE polls and may well be above it
    -The SNP may well have fallen below 40%
    -Scottish Labour are now starting to attract 2014 yes voters from the SNP, rather than just unionists from the SCONS.
    -There doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm for any of Sturgeon's successors
    Yes.

    Also, as TSE pointed out in the last but one thread ("IS IT SCÖTTERDÄMMERUNG FOR THE SNP?"*) the changes in the net favourability ratings in the R&W poll are significant too. Lab with a net +10% favourability, SNP -1%. Unlike the headline figures in the R&W poll, the favourability ratings weren't subject to the (highly suspect) turnout adjustment applied to VI figures, so this time the opinions of a third of 2019 Lab voters weren't dismissed from the published result.


    *Sorry Stuart, I'm quoting the PB thread header in capitals but then every PB thread header is written in capitals so maybe you'll just have to live with that. Besides it's easier to cut and paste rather that retype and I don't know the code to type umlauts.
    Scottish Labour should campaign for DevoMax+++ and confect a row with Starmer over it.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931
    biggles said:

    In 2009 I was paid £15/hr as a pool lifeguard.
    In 2023 I have a BSc, a masters, a medical degree, surgical postgrad exams and teach junior doctors.
    They pay me £19.10/hr before tax.
    Many operations don't take the full hour to complete.
    #JuniorDoctorsStrike



    https://twitter.com/beckybeckyfish/status/1635298363947233282?s=46

    I wonder why she doesn’t list her actual salary? Could it be that no one would have any sympathy, certainly not for a 35% increase?

    By all means she should complain about the amount of work, but perhaps we might use the cash she wants to spend on a bigger house without solving the problem* in recruiting more staff instead…..?

    *Is the BMA logic that they are happy with the hours so long as they get more beer tokens?
    There seems to be a pattern. Doctors aren’t interested in the money, they are only interested in their patients. Teachers aren’t interested in the money, they are only interested in the children. Railway workers aren’t interested in the money, they are only interested in safety. So why are they all striking for more money?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    TOPPING said:

    Oh @Foxy seems to have headed off.

    Does anyone know the average salaries and likely career prospects of junior doctors?

    The BBC website had a nice graphic this morning. Basically, they advance through the pay scale to £60k plus without breaking sweat.

    Become a Consultant, and it's wheelbarrow full of cash time.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    edited March 2023

    biggles said:

    In 2009 I was paid £15/hr as a pool lifeguard.
    In 2023 I have a BSc, a masters, a medical degree, surgical postgrad exams and teach junior doctors.
    They pay me £19.10/hr before tax.
    Many operations don't take the full hour to complete.
    #JuniorDoctorsStrike



    https://twitter.com/beckybeckyfish/status/1635298363947233282?s=46

    I wonder why she doesn’t list her actual salary? Could it be that no one would have any sympathy, certainly not for a 35% increase?

    By all means she should complain about the amount of work, but perhaps we might use the cash she wants to spend on a bigger house without solving the problem* in recruiting more staff instead…..?

    *Is the BMA logic that they are happy with the hours so long as they get more beer tokens?
    There seems to be a pattern. Doctors aren’t interested in the money, they are only interested in their patients. Teachers aren’t interested in the money, they are only interested in the children. Railway workers aren’t interested in the money, they are only interested in safety. So why are they all striking for more money?
    Cos they're f***ing underpaid?
    For what they do.
    We've just had a flap cos a few tech startups might not get paid. All hands on deck for that. Vital for the economy blah, blah
    Nae suggestion that a 50% pay cut across the board may help there.
    All of this is futile if you are lying there dying and you can't get a heart operation.
    No app will help.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,641

    Gay conversion therapy is a form of abuse.

    If you're talking about S Club 7 concerts I have to agree.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,941
    Illegal immigration bill passes 312 to 250 at second reading
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    There's no shortage of applicants to go to Med School and become a doctor.

    The wages aren't putting them off.

    Supply and demand, and all that malarkey.
  • HYUFD said:

    Illegal immigration bill passes 312 to 250 at second reading

    42 conservative, 15 Labour, 2 SNP, 2 Lib Dems , 4 Independent did not vote though some may be pairings

    No conservatives voted against
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    RobD said:

    RobD said:

    Coming to your local Scottish corner shop soon…..

    And if you can’t afford to buy or don’t have the space to install a reverse vending machine this is what @scotgov minister @lornaslater has suggested as a solution. If you agree with the DRS as it is, how would you like to work next to someone else’s rubbish?



    https://twitter.com/StAndrewsWine/status/1635300503797256195?s=20

    There are surely machines that can do that, which you could put either outside the shop, or somewhere less in the way.
    There are - but this is ScotGov’s suggestion for shops that don’t have the space.
    Right, I clearly can't read. Are all stores forced to be return points? If not, the smallest ones could simply not do it.
    They have to apply for exemption which can be granted if there’s an alternative location nearby. Small village shop in the country? Fuggeddaboutit….
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    off topic

    Although it's from about 10 years ago, this is an extraordinary claim I've never seen before.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-202037/Crash-Concorde-killed-Chirac.html

    "Crash Concorde 'almost killed Chirac'
    French president Jacques Chirac was almost killed in the Concorde crash in Paris in July 2000, a new book claims.

    On that day, the burning Air France Concorde passed within seven yards of an Air France Boeing 747 on which President Chirac was travelling and which had just landed.

    The 747's proximity to the incident was not recorded in the official accident report into the crash which claimed 113 lives, said the book Supersonic Secrets, written by broadcaster and journalist Rob Lewis.

    Lewis wrote: "The French nation was left blissfully unaware of another key fact: how close they had come to losing their president.

    "The final accident report diagram of the runway had been carefully drawn. While detailed, the choice of scale meant that Chirac's endangered 747 was just off the page - and did not have to be pictured.

    "So how close had it been? According to those present on the day, the burning Concorde had come within seven metres of a deadly collision.""
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,941

    There's no shortage of applicants to go to Med School and become a doctor.

    The wages aren't putting them off.

    Supply and demand, and all that malarkey.

    Average salary for a junior doctor is £40,211 ie well above average, it is not as bad as made out for them
    https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/junior-doctor-salary-SRCH_KO0,13.htm#:~:text=The national average salary for,£40,211 look to you?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    I’m sure he meant well….

    Biden says to Sunak: "First of all, I want to welcome you back to California. He's a Stanford man, and he still has a home here in California. That's why I'm being very nice to you, maybe you can invite me to your home in California."

    https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1635406165982203904?s=20
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    HYUFD said:

    There's no shortage of applicants to go to Med School and become a doctor.

    The wages aren't putting them off.

    Supply and demand, and all that malarkey.

    Average salary for a junior doctor is £40,211 ie well above average, it is not as bad as made out for them
    https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/junior-doctor-salary-SRCH_KO0,13.htm#:~:text=The national average salary for,£40,211 look to you?
    Taking the average of a new graduate and someone with 10 years' experience isn't particularly helpful.
  • RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,293
    This really has to be seen to be believed. Ash Regan makes Richard Burgon seem like a serious politician.

    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1635329360994643968
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,957
    MaxPB said:

    TOPPING said:

    Oh @Foxy seems to have headed off.

    Does anyone know the average salaries and likely career prospects of junior doctors?

    ~£35k for juniors. Once they've done their training they're at ~£50k, once they've specialised anywhere from £80k-£150k. From graduation to specialism takes about 8-10 years.
    Not feeling too sorry for them I have to say.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Do we know how many Tory MPs voted against the government tonight?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863

    There's no shortage of applicants to go to Med School and become a doctor.

    The wages aren't putting them off.

    Supply and demand, and all that malarkey.

    No shortage of people wanting to be MPs, either.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    TOPPING said:

    Oh @Foxy seems to have headed off.

    Does anyone know the average salaries and likely career prospects of junior doctors?

    ~£35k for juniors. Once they've done their training they're at ~£50k, once they've specialised anywhere from £80k-£150k. From graduation to specialism takes about 8-10 years.
    Not feeling too sorry for them I have to say.
    A doctor friend, when asked what he makes in a year, inevitably responds "My base salary is x". A careful choice of words.

    What proportion of doctors only earn the base? Relatively few, I would think.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,836
    https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/pay-doctors

    According to the NHS: "In Foundation training, you will earn a basic salary of £29,384 to £34,012 (from 1 April 2022). If you’re a doctor starting your specialist training in 2022 your basic salary will be £40,257 to £53,398."

    It also claims: "pay for any hours over 40 per week, a 37 per cent enhancement for working nights, a weekend allowance for any work at the weekend, an availability allowance if you are required to be available on-call, and other potential pay premia."

    It's not fabulously generous for people who were mainly in the top 5% of their school year academically and all within the top 10% after 5 years of study. Personally, I would be looking at the waiver of student debt for each year they do for the NHS or possibly even a suspension of student debt repayments whilst working there.

    The reality is that we invest a lot of money in training doctors. Its why it is so shameful that we steal doctors from poorer countries and think that is ok. We need to pay enough to ensure we get a decent return on that investment. I think doctors were overpaid in the past and asking for 35% to get themselves back to some sort of peak is a bit ridiculous but there may well be an argument that we have gone too far.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,434

    I’m sure he meant well….

    Biden says to Sunak: "First of all, I want to welcome you back to California. He's a Stanford man, and he still has a home here in California. That's why I'm being very nice to you, maybe you can invite me to your home in California."

    https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1635406165982203904?s=20

    What the utter fuck - doesn't the Commons get a vote on whether we piss the defence increases away on new nuclear subs?
  • Andy_JS said:

    Do we know how many Tory MPs voted against the government tonight?

    None
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863

    This really has to be seen to be believed. Ash Regan makes Richard Burgon seem like a serious politician.

    https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/status/1635329360994643968

    I’ve done all the study for the MSc in development management, and can advise that I doubt any of it would be of any help whatsoever in working out how to persuade or force the UK government into letting Scotland have another Indyref.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,930

    I’m sure he meant well….

    Biden says to Sunak: "First of all, I want to welcome you back to California. He's a Stanford man, and he still has a home here in California. That's why I'm being very nice to you, maybe you can invite me to your home in California."

    https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1635406165982203904?s=20

    What the utter fuck - doesn't the Commons get a vote on whether we piss the defence increases away on new nuclear subs?
    They are subs for Australia, not the UK.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,836
    carnforth said:

    TOPPING said:

    MaxPB said:

    TOPPING said:

    Oh @Foxy seems to have headed off.

    Does anyone know the average salaries and likely career prospects of junior doctors?

    ~£35k for juniors. Once they've done their training they're at ~£50k, once they've specialised anywhere from £80k-£150k. From graduation to specialism takes about 8-10 years.
    Not feeling too sorry for them I have to say.
    A doctor friend, when asked what he makes in a year, inevitably responds "My base salary is x". A careful choice of words.

    What proportion of doctors only earn the base? Relatively few, I would think.
    Yes, relatively few but that is because they work shifts, cover weekends, spend time on call etc. None of which enhances your quality of living.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,015
    DavidL said:

    https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/pay-doctors

    According to the NHS: "In Foundation training, you will earn a basic salary of £29,384 to £34,012 (from 1 April 2022). If you’re a doctor starting your specialist training in 2022 your basic salary will be £40,257 to £53,398."

    It also claims: "pay for any hours over 40 per week, a 37 per cent enhancement for working nights, a weekend allowance for any work at the weekend, an availability allowance if you are required to be available on-call, and other potential pay premia."

    It's not fabulously generous for people who were mainly in the top 5% of their school year academically and all within the top 10% after 5 years of study. Personally, I would be looking at the waiver of student debt for each year they do for the NHS or possibly even a suspension of student debt repayments whilst working there.

    The reality is that we invest a lot of money in training doctors. Its why it is so shameful that we steal doctors from poorer countries and think that is ok. We need to pay enough to ensure we get a decent return on that investment. I think doctors were overpaid in the past and asking for 35% to get themselves back to some sort of peak is a bit ridiculous but there may well be an argument that we have gone too far.

    They are only in the top 5% because there are so many applicants that the Med Schools can be super choosy.

    You don't need to be in the top 5% to do the job.
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