Soon to be sold at auction. I dare say it'll feature on an episode of Homes Under the Hammer at some point next year, in which lucky viewers are invited to jack off in ecstasy as some leech turns it into a couple of poky flats available to rent for £3,500 pcm each.
It isn't at all unusual - and has never been unusual - for houses to be quite valuable but unmortgageable.
If a home is (currently) uninhabitable or has a significant structural issue then mortgage companies just won't get involved as there's a real risk of deterioration affecting the value of the collateral, and the costs of rectifying are both hard to quantify as a lender and ones they'd not want to incur should the buyer default and leave them with the property to deal with.
That isn't to say it isn't worth it. The article says the average house price in the area is getting on for £2m so, if you assess the purchase price plus the cost of rectifying the issues is (say) £1.3m, maybe you'd go for it. It's just that a typical mortgage lender which is just in the business of lending to people buying houses in reasonable repair to move into immediately, really isn't in the business of risking capital on more speculative renovations. This is a specialist purchase for someone who can accurately assess (and fund) the cost of making the building structurally sound and habitable (or possibly demolishing and starting again).
Lots of properties are technically unmortgageable and have problems that need resolving, this isn't really a meaningful news story. What I find suprising is developers building and people buying houses that are likely to rapidly end up unmortgageable, ie those in flood zones, or using experimental building techniques... often people are paying £1 - £2 million for these houses in London.
I always seem to miss the fun. That's the problem with exiling oneself to ConHome.
And gentlemen in England now a-bed Shall think themselves accursed they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Leon's ban day.
What was Leon banned for? I never liked that poster, ever since he wrote the words "We are a white country". Will the ban be permanent?
Anyone else whose views you don’t like you want to be banned?
This isn't a public access forum. I might like a restaurant but decide to stop eating there if a guy in the corner who rants on about how blacks should accept that Britain is a white people's country keeps making himself heard. I might even tell the owner. There are probably views you don't want to hear too in similar contexts. Anyway I was just asking whether the ban would be permanent, that's all. Leon has been banned several times before and allowed back.
Anyone any idea how big of a problem this might be for UK tech startups ?
UK government rightly wants Britain to be one of the world’s great tech ecosystems. First priority: ensuring that thousands of UK startups make payroll this month.
I don't like the governments policy on small boats or its disregard for international law, but the one thing that irritates me more is people who peddle slogans like 'migrants welcome'. How many? 1 billion? 2 billion? Would they want to make any assessment of their claim to come to the UK, or just let everyone in? ... to which they have no answer.
It seems to me that, even though these people are often the most vocal on this issue, and also fall within the category of people that like to 'cancel' opposing opinions they don't like, their position is ultimately hopelessly flawed, and this is obvious to everyone that doesn't share their view on the subject.
Do they really have "no answer" to it?
Their first point would surely be that the figures you've suggested are plainly ludicrous - that the level of demand simply isn't that high as evidenced by numbers applying.
The second point most (but not all) would make is yes, they would want to assess the claims of those seeking to come in.
It seems to me you're (accidentally) falling into the trap of accepting the false dichotomy that a few people (on both extremes) present that you can either be aggressively hostile to all migrants, or apply absolutely no threshold at all, with no ground in between.
18 years since the Frogs won at Twickenham. That clock looks like it will reset itself tonight. This England side haven’t turned up at all.
This is going to be the biggest humiliation against the French since Sunak had to bribe the French to deal with the boats.
Sunak and the UK were mugged. There is not a single Tory on this site who can tell us what we will get for that half a billion.
Congrats to Liverpool keeping it to just one today, btw.
Big G was deliriously pleased with Sunak's Macron deal last evening, but not so much with Rochdale and his "lubed up" comment.
I saw that. It’s Big G I feel most sorry for, he bigged up these weeks on achieving the impossible on North Sea border and Channel crossings being sorted by cooperation across the channel, yet here we are, mugged.
Big G nor HY cannot tell us what we are getting for that half billion, as France can’t detain anyone for long who haven’t committed a crime, no more than UK could get away with it. It would be embarrassing to hear anyone we like say that’s is the agreement and it will happen. 😞
Match of the Day will be shortened to about 20 minutes tonight because the BBC has no commentary.
Faced with the prospect of a nearly silent broadcast after commentators refused to work on the programme in solidarity with Gary Lineker, the BBC has opted to show a condensed version. The corporation is understood to be contractually obliged to show highlights from the Premier League.
I always seem to miss the fun. That's the problem with exiling oneself to ConHome.
And gentlemen in England now a-bed Shall think themselves accursed they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Leon's ban day.
What was Leon banned for? I never liked that poster, ever since he wrote the words "We are a white country". Will the ban be permanent?
Anyone else whose views you don’t like you want to be banned?
This isn't a public access forum. I might like a restaurant but decide to stop eating there if a guy in the corner who rants on about how blacks should accept that Britain is a white people's country keeps making himself heard. I might even tell the owner. There are probably views you don't want to hear too in similar contexts. Anyway I was just asking whether the ban would be permanent, that's all. Leon has been banned several times before and allowed back.
Poor Rishi, having to wear such a shit-eating grin as he holds up such a crock. And England used to have Carnaby Street. How much worse does an international sports shirt get than that?
First, Lineker isn't going to starve if he never works again. Second, Lineker will not struggle to get work if he never works for the BBC again. Third, when its a principle it doesn't matter how many support you.
He can be the Sports Minister in a couple of years if he fancies it.
FWIW I've never liked Lineker - either his work or his past personal record. Makes no difference to the fact that this nonsense has seriously damaged the BBC's journalistic reputation. Forget about BBC Sport this has BBC News branded as Government poodles at home and abroad. Reduced to the level of rubbish like the Mail and the Spectator
Soon to be sold at auction. I dare say it'll feature on an episode of Homes Under the Hammer at some point next year, in which lucky viewers are invited to jack off in ecstasy as some leech turns it into a couple of poky flats available to rent for £3,500 pcm each.
It isn't at all unusual - and has never been unusual - for houses to be quite valuable but unmortgageable.
If a home is (currently) uninhabitable or has a significant structural issue then mortgage companies just won't get involved as there's a real risk of deterioration affecting the value of the collateral, and the costs of rectifying are both hard to quantify as a lender and ones they'd not want to incur should the buyer default and leave them with the property to deal with.
That isn't to say it isn't worth it. The article says the average house price in the area is getting on for £2m so, if you assess the purchase price plus the cost of rectifying the issues is (say) £1.3m, maybe you'd go for it. It's just that a typical mortgage lender which is just in the business of lending to people buying houses in reasonable repair to move into immediately, really isn't in the business of risking capital on more speculative renovations. This is a specialist purchase for someone who can accurately assess (and fund) the cost of making the building structurally sound and habitable (or possibly demolishing and starting again).
An ex, years ago, bought a large house in Hampstead, where the foreign owner had slapped in crap double glazing. In the conservation area.
He had then spent years ignoring the multiple demands, Court cases etc. Until his multiple contempts of court resulted in an arrest warrant.
The house itself was unsaleable - multiple court orders stacked up. No mortgage lender would touch it.
She managed to get an agreement from the people running the conservation area and the courts etc, that she, personally would be trusted to sort out the windows. Which in turn meant that she was the only person who could get a mortgage on the property.
I always seem to miss the fun. That's the problem with exiling oneself to ConHome.
And gentlemen in England now a-bed Shall think themselves accursed they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Leon's ban day.
What was Leon banned for? I never liked that poster, ever since he wrote the words "We are a white country". Will the ban be permanent?
Anyone else whose views you don’t like you want to be banned?
This isn't a public access forum. I might like a restaurant but decide to stop eating there if a guy in the corner who rants on about how blacks should accept that Britain is a white people's country keeps making himself heard. I might even tell the owner. There are probably views you don't want to hear too in similar contexts. Anyway I was just asking whether the ban would be permanent, that's all. Leon has been banned several times before and allowed back.
Match of the Day will be shortened to about 20 minutes tonight because the BBC has no commentary.
Faced with the prospect of a nearly silent broadcast after commentators refused to work on the programme in solidarity with Gary Lineker, the BBC has opted to show a condensed version. The corporation is understood to be contractually obliged to show highlights from the Premier League.
"Gary Lineker has taken a £400,000 pay cut to remain as host of Match of the Day for the next five years, along with an agreement to be more careful in his use of Twitter to push political causes.
Tim Davie, the new BBC director general, announced the deal at the launch of the corporation’s annual report, emphasising that all BBC staff would be bound by strict new social media guidelines within weeks.
Lineker, who earlier this year suggested it was time to make the BBC licence fee voluntary, took home £1.75m in the last financial year, well ahead of any other employee. He has attracted the ire of rightwing media outlets for tweeting criticism of the government and Brexit.
“Gary knows that he has responsibilities to the BBC in terms of his use of social media,” said Davie, referring to the new social media rules for employees."
Yo fitalass!
Is not one of the as-yet unanswered questions re: Lineker, precisely whether or not he's truly part of BBC "staff", one of Beeb's "employees"?
Another, perhaps more broadly relevant question being, is it proper or improper, for the government of the day to pressure the BBC to curb the speech, tweets, etc. of their presenters, broadly defined/
My guess is that it is the 2nd question that is the Real McCoy (to flatter the Scots AND Irish) here.
Hi SeaShanty, I just thought the article was interesting because it indicated that the BBC had felt it had come to some sort of agreement with Linekar over their social media guidelines when he had his contract renewed. But it now looks like both sides have chosen this particular week to pick a hill and dig in despite initially looking like his BBC bosses had to decided to draw line under this controversy and move on last Thursday night. It would be interesting to know what changed in the next 24 hours behind the scenes.
- He’s a talking head. Sub species of lovie. They always have opinions on politics etc. Ignore. - I considered my commitment to free speech. I have decided that if Piers Corbyn had a BBC contract and advocated eating pineapple pizza, while coding in Python and listening to Radiohead, I would declare that free speech. - I think I might draw the line at Oskar Dirlewanger and Reinhard Heydrich presenting MOTD. In that event I think I might go so far as a Tut-tut. - Cancel culture is always hypocritical from any direction. - many of those railing at the proposed, useless, immigration changes would have their panties in a wad if someone pointed out that the EU is subsidising slavery of migrants in Libya
You last sentence highlights the real issue - everyone would prefer the true reality to be hidden from view
The actual reality?
Football is the reality here, political football.
What is clear from Linekers tweet, which I don’t agree with him or support him on, just like all Guardianista he refers to the channel crosses as refugees - it’s all a UK refugee issue. Contrast and compare with how the Tory’s designed it and the Mail on Sunday front page editorial and Sunak at PMQs perfectly described it - not refugees, the invasion is illegal immigration and clear immigration/tough border policy dividing line between Tory and Labour.
Spotted the difference yet? There is no difference. Because neither side get remotely near to acknowledging the truth, both conflating and distorting the accurate truth that it’s refuges amongst illegal immigration, it’s both issues at once!
Are they too stupid to realise the truth? No of course not. Yes it has been brewing for years, because neither side want to be truthful on this, they spin and lie as matter of choice because they prefer in the first instance to use the situation as a political football to their own advantage.
Anyone any idea how big of a problem this might be for UK tech startups ?
UK government rightly wants Britain to be one of the world’s great tech ecosystems. First priority: ensuring that thousands of UK startups make payroll this month.
One can't just bail out all corporate depositors beyond £85k, because then they would know they can bank with the biggest risktakers and the taxpayer will pay up. A lot of the corporate depositors in SVB were tech firms arranging funding deals through the bank. That's not an activity requiring subsidy or bailout. Of course, they should have prompt access to their insured deposits.
18 years since the Frogs won at Twickenham. That clock looks like it will reset itself tonight. This England side haven’t turned up at all.
This is going to be the biggest humiliation against the French since Sunak had to bribe the French to deal with the boats.
Sunak and the UK were mugged. There is not a single Tory on this site who can tell us what we will get for that half a billion.
Congrats to Liverpool keeping it to just one today, btw.
Big G was deliriously pleased with Sunak's Macron deal last evening, but not so much with Rochdale and his "lubed up" comment.
I saw that. It’s Big G I feel most sorry for, he bigged up these weeks on achieving the impossible on North Sea border and Channel crossings being sorted by cooperation across the channel, yet here we are, mugged.
Big G nor HY cannot tell us what we are getting for that half billion, as France can’t detain anyone for long who haven’t committed a crime, no more than UK could get away with it. It would be embarrassing to hear anyone we like say that’s is the agreement and it will happen. 😞
Let's be honest Sunak could have come back with a box of air and Big G would be telling us how good it was.
The rule with his posts is to wait a week before they inevitably fall apart. See Liz Truss for previous examples.
- He’s a talking head. Sub species of lovie. They always have opinions on politics etc. Ignore. - I considered my commitment to free speech. I have decided that if Piers Corbyn had a BBC contract and advocated eating pineapple pizza, while coding in Python and listening to Radiohead, I would declare that free speech. - I think I might draw the line at Oskar Dirlewanger and Reinhard Heydrich presenting MOTD. In that event I think I might go so far as a Tut-tut. - Cancel culture is always hypocritical from any direction. - many of those railing at the proposed, useless, immigration changes would have their panties in a wad if someone pointed out that the EU is subsidising slavery of migrants in Libya
You last sentence highlights the real issue - everyone would prefer the true reality to be hidden from view
Which is why the system of enslaving immigrants in a far off county where it too dangerous for most journalists to wonder around is admirable in a certain kind of way….
Come to think of it, could we issue derivatives of immigrants - Collateralised Life Debt Obligations?
First, Lineker isn't going to starve if he never works again. Second, Lineker will not struggle to get work if he never works for the BBC again. Third, when its a principle it doesn't matter how many support you.
He can be the Sports Minister in a couple of years if he fancies it.
FWIW I've never liked Lineker - either his work or his past personal record. Makes no difference to the fact that this nonsense has seriously damaged the BBC's journalistic reputation. Forget about BBC Sport this has BBC News branded as Government poodles at home and abroad. Reduced to the level of rubbish like the Mail and the Spectator
He’s a shoe-in for sports personality of the year though.
18 years since the Frogs won at Twickenham. That clock looks like it will reset itself tonight. This England side haven’t turned up at all.
This is going to be the biggest humiliation against the French since Sunak had to bribe the French to deal with the boats.
Sunak and the UK were mugged. There is not a single Tory on this site who can tell us what we will get for that half a billion.
Congrats to Liverpool keeping it to just one today, btw.
Big G was deliriously pleased with Sunak's Macron deal last evening, but not so much with Rochdale and his "lubed up" comment.
I saw that. It’s Big G I feel most sorry for, he bigged up these weeks on achieving the impossible on North Sea border and Channel crossings being sorted by cooperation across the channel, yet here we are, mugged.
Big G nor HY cannot tell us what we are getting for that half billion, as France can’t detain anyone for long who haven’t committed a crime, no more than UK could get away with it. It would be embarrassing to hear anyone we like say that’s is the agreement and it will happen. 😞
Good evening and seems right time to log on
I listened to the whole of the news conference between Macron and Sunak and summarised it yesterday
So far the UK-France agreements have achieved the following
33,000 channel crossings stopped in 2022
More than 500 arrests and 59 organised crime groups dismantled since the start of tye joint agreement in 2000
Over 3,700 crossings attempts stopped so far in 2023
And to help you understand the allocation of the funds over the next 3 years here is the detail
And on returns from UK and to the EU Macron announces that the UK and EU have agreed to cooperate across the EU as all are facing similar issues
"Gary Lineker has taken a £400,000 pay cut to remain as host of Match of the Day for the next five years, along with an agreement to be more careful in his use of Twitter to push political causes.
Tim Davie, the new BBC director general, announced the deal at the launch of the corporation’s annual report, emphasising that all BBC staff would be bound by strict new social media guidelines within weeks.
Lineker, who earlier this year suggested it was time to make the BBC licence fee voluntary, took home £1.75m in the last financial year, well ahead of any other employee. He has attracted the ire of rightwing media outlets for tweeting criticism of the government and Brexit.
“Gary knows that he has responsibilities to the BBC in terms of his use of social media,” said Davie, referring to the new social media rules for employees."
Yo fitalass!
Is not one of the as-yet unanswered questions re: Lineker, precisely whether or not he's truly part of BBC "staff", one of Beeb's "employees"?
Another, perhaps more broadly relevant question being, is it proper or improper, for the government of the day to pressure the BBC to curb the speech, tweets, etc. of their presenters, broadly defined/
My guess is that it is the 2nd question that is the Real McCoy (to flatter the Scots AND Irish) here.
Hi SeaShanty, I just thought the article was interesting because it indicated that the BBC had felt it had come to some sort of agreement with Linekar over their social media guidelines when he had his contract renewed. But it now looks like both sides have chosen this particular week to pick a hill and dig in despite initially looking like his BBC bosses had to decided to draw line under this controversy and move on last Thursday night. It would be interesting to know what changed in the next 24 hours behind the scenes.
Concur. With one twist being that, AIUI, the BBC has been itself contending that Lineker is NOT an employee, at least for tax purposes?
I don't like the governments policy on small boats or its disregard for international law, but the one thing that irritates me more is people who peddle slogans like 'migrants welcome'. How many? 1 billion? 2 billion? Would they want to make any assessment of their claim to come to the UK, or just let everyone in? ... to which they have no answer.
It seems to me that, even though these people are often the most vocal on this issue, and also fall within the category of people that like to 'cancel' opposing opinions they don't like, their position is ultimately hopelessly flawed, and this is obvious to everyone that doesn't share their view on the subject.
Do they really have "no answer" to it?
Their first point would surely be that the figures you've suggested are plainly ludicrous - that the level of demand simply isn't that high as evidenced by numbers applying.
The second point most (but not all) would make is yes, they would want to assess the claims of those seeking to come in.
It seems to me you're (accidentally) falling into the trap of accepting the false dichotomy that a few people (on both extremes) present that you can either be aggressively hostile to all migrants, or apply absolutely no threshold at all, with no ground in between.
The fact that 30% of babies in the UK are born to foreign born mothers suggests that on the whole we are well outside the 'no migrants' zone and have been for some time. We are neither a racist hell hole nor an open door.
Savile was cunning enough to curry favour right across the establishment as a whole as part of cultivating the impression for complainants, the media, and the Police that he was untouchable.
He was, however, vocally Thatcherite for many years and he and she personally got on well. I don't actually criticise Thatcher for that myself. She pretty clearly didn't know he was a prolific sex offender and believed he was simply a supportive media personality. Indeed, it was pretty easy to believe that Savile was an English eccentric rather than a dangerous pervert, and most people did at the time.
But the point is that there have been people who have been overtly political whilst working for the BBC as presenters outside the sphere of news/current affairs, including on the pro-Conservative side, and Savile happens to be one.
18 years since the Frogs won at Twickenham. That clock looks like it will reset itself tonight. This England side haven’t turned up at all.
This is going to be the biggest humiliation against the French since Sunak had to bribe the French to deal with the boats.
Sunak and the UK were mugged. There is not a single Tory on this site who can tell us what we will get for that half a billion.
Congrats to Liverpool keeping it to just one today, btw.
Big G was deliriously pleased with Sunak's Macron deal last evening, but not so much with Rochdale and his "lubed up" comment.
I saw that. It’s Big G I feel most sorry for, he bigged up these weeks on achieving the impossible on North Sea border and Channel crossings being sorted by cooperation across the channel, yet here we are, mugged.
Big G nor HY cannot tell us what we are getting for that half billion, as France can’t detain anyone for long who haven’t committed a crime, no more than UK could get away with it. It would be embarrassing to hear anyone we like say that’s is the agreement and it will happen. 😞
Good evening and seems right time to log on
I listened to the whole of the news conference between Macron and Sunak and summarised it yesterday
So far the UK-France agreements have achieved the following
33,000 channel crossings stopped in 2022
More than 500 arrests and 59 organised crime groups dismantled since the start of tye joint agreement in 2000
Over 3,700 crossings attempts stopped so far in 2023
And to help you understand the allocation of the funds over the next 3 years here is the detail
And on returns from UK and to the EU Macron announces that the UK and EU have agreed to cooperate across the EU as all are facing similar issues
Where’s the beef? What are we actually getting? Neither government can lock people up who committed no crime. You going on record saying half a billion for the French to lock them up? You saying that’s definitely going to happen? Can we get the money back when courts thrawt them?
I saw the press conference too. Macron looked smug and full of himself, Sunak seemed bruised and a touch tetchy.
Here’s the kicker. Macron in your press conference knows exactly how this plays out.
18 years since the Frogs won at Twickenham. That clock looks like it will reset itself tonight. This England side haven’t turned up at all.
This is going to be the biggest humiliation against the French since Sunak had to bribe the French to deal with the boats.
Sunak and the UK were mugged. There is not a single Tory on this site who can tell us what we will get for that half a billion.
Congrats to Liverpool keeping it to just one today, btw.
Big G was deliriously pleased with Sunak's Macron deal last evening, but not so much with Rochdale and his "lubed up" comment.
I saw that. It’s Big G I feel most sorry for, he bigged up these weeks on achieving the impossible on North Sea border and Channel crossings being sorted by cooperation across the channel, yet here we are, mugged.
Big G nor HY cannot tell us what we are getting for that half billion, as France can’t detain anyone for long who haven’t committed a crime, no more than UK could get away with it. It would be embarrassing to hear anyone we like say that’s is the agreement and it will happen. 😞
Let's be honest Sunak could have come back with a box of air and Big G would be telling us how good it was.
The rule with his posts is to wait a week before they inevitably fall apart. See Liz Truss for previous examples.
You would do well to read my post just now and the attached report to learn the details rather than your usual teenage comments
18 years since the Frogs won at Twickenham. That clock looks like it will reset itself tonight. This England side haven’t turned up at all.
This is going to be the biggest humiliation against the French since Sunak had to bribe the French to deal with the boats.
Sunak and the UK were mugged. There is not a single Tory on this site who can tell us what we will get for that half a billion.
Congrats to Liverpool keeping it to just one today, btw.
Big G was deliriously pleased with Sunak's Macron deal last evening, but not so much with Rochdale and his "lubed up" comment.
I saw that. It’s Big G I feel most sorry for, he bigged up these weeks on achieving the impossible on North Sea border and Channel crossings being sorted by cooperation across the channel, yet here we are, mugged.
Big G nor HY cannot tell us what we are getting for that half billion, as France can’t detain anyone for long who haven’t committed a crime, no more than UK could get away with it. It would be embarrassing to hear anyone we like say that’s is the agreement and it will happen. 😞
Good evening and seems right time to log on
I listened to the whole of the news conference between Macron and Sunak and summarised it yesterday
So far the UK-France agreements have achieved the following
33,000 channel crossings stopped in 2022
More than 500 arrests and 59 organised crime groups dismantled since the start of tye joint agreement in 2000
Over 3,700 crossings attempts stopped so far in 2023
And to help you understand the allocation of the funds over the next 3 years here is the detail
And on returns from UK and to the EU Macron announces that the UK and EU have agreed to cooperate across the EU as all are facing similar issues
Where’s the beef? What are we actually getting? Norther government can lock people up who committed no crime. You going on record saying half a million for the French to lock them up? You saying that’s definitely going to happen?
I saw the press conference too. Macron looked smug and full of himself, Sunak seemed bruised and a touch tetchy.
Half a *billion* - or, for clarity, more than 500m poounds sterling.
18 years since the Frogs won at Twickenham. That clock looks like it will reset itself tonight. This England side haven’t turned up at all.
This is going to be the biggest humiliation against the French since Sunak had to bribe the French to deal with the boats.
Sunak and the UK were mugged. There is not a single Tory on this site who can tell us what we will get for that half a billion.
Congrats to Liverpool keeping it to just one today, btw.
Big G was deliriously pleased with Sunak's Macron deal last evening, but not so much with Rochdale and his "lubed up" comment.
I saw that. It’s Big G I feel most sorry for, he bigged up these weeks on achieving the impossible on North Sea border and Channel crossings being sorted by cooperation across the channel, yet here we are, mugged.
Big G nor HY cannot tell us what we are getting for that half billion, as France can’t detain anyone for long who haven’t committed a crime, no more than UK could get away with it. It would be embarrassing to hear anyone we like say that’s is the agreement and it will happen. 😞
Let's be honest Sunak could have come back with a box of air and Big G would be telling us how good it was.
The rule with his posts is to wait a week before they inevitably fall apart. See Liz Truss for previous examples.
But I feel sorry for Big G. I feel sorry for MarqueeMark. I feel sorry for CR having meltdown and bullied in the playground this morning as well. All PB Tories are being stitched up by these incompetent Conservative governments.
Considering the number of BBC employees/consultants tweeting anti Labour stuff over the last six years, what an unbelievably dumb ass move for the Mail and Tory government to own Cancel Culture!
1. The Mail and the Tories can now no longer speak or argue against Cancel Culture, having gone there themselves. 2. In Cancelling Lineker over one relatively innocuous “looks like politics of 1930s Germany imo” tweet, they have handed opponents a Millwall Brick to smash Tory faces in every time someone tweets negatively against the opposition, Corbyn, Starmer etc.
Incredible. 🤷♀️
But I can put my finger on exactly why the Tory governments been so inept the last few years. Remember Lady Thatcher had a bluff Yorkshireman she called her Rock? Would he have allowed the clueless inbred management consultants who surround the last three PMs to drive something like this? Nah. He would have gone in there and cracked together a few skulls of these clueless inbred management consultants who the Tories employ as communication and policy experts. And that in a nutshell is exactly why the Tories keep shooting their own feet off on a daily basis right now.
Savile was cunning enough to curry favour right across the establishment as a whole as part of cultivating the impression for complainants, the media, and the Police that he was untouchable.
He was, however, vocally Thatcherite for many years and he and she personally got on well. I don't actually criticise Thatcher for that myself. She pretty clearly didn't know he was a prolific sex offender and believed he was simply a supportive media personality. Indeed, it was pretty easy to believe that Savile was an English eccentric rather than a dangerous pervert, and most people did at the time.
But the point is that there have been people who have been overtly political whilst working for the BBC as presenters outside the sphere of news/current affairs, including on the pro-Conservative side, and Savile happens to be one.
Saville was not a true Tory, a true Tory would have supported Heath in 1970 and 1974, Saville didn't, he supported and campaigned for Thorpe's Liberals. He backed Thatcher's Tories yes but then like Alan B'Stard (also not a true Tory) he switched over time to New Labour, even if he was back with the Tories once Cameron took over.
Ideologically Saville was basically a libertarian unsurprisingly
18 years since the Frogs won at Twickenham. That clock looks like it will reset itself tonight. This England side haven’t turned up at all.
This is going to be the biggest humiliation against the French since Sunak had to bribe the French to deal with the boats.
Sunak and the UK were mugged. There is not a single Tory on this site who can tell us what we will get for that half a billion.
Congrats to Liverpool keeping it to just one today, btw.
Big G was deliriously pleased with Sunak's Macron deal last evening, but not so much with Rochdale and his "lubed up" comment.
I saw that. It’s Big G I feel most sorry for, he bigged up these weeks on achieving the impossible on North Sea border and Channel crossings being sorted by cooperation across the channel, yet here we are, mugged.
Big G nor HY cannot tell us what we are getting for that half billion, as France can’t detain anyone for long who haven’t committed a crime, no more than UK could get away with it. It would be embarrassing to hear anyone we like say that’s is the agreement and it will happen. 😞
Good evening and seems right time to log on
I listened to the whole of the news conference between Macron and Sunak and summarised it yesterday
So far the UK-France agreements have achieved the following
33,000 channel crossings stopped in 2022
More than 500 arrests and 59 organised crime groups dismantled since the start of tye joint agreement in 2000
Over 3,700 crossings attempts stopped so far in 2023
And to help you understand the allocation of the funds over the next 3 years here is the detail
And on returns from UK and to the EU Macron announces that the UK and EU have agreed to cooperate across the EU as all are facing similar issues
Where’s the beef? What are we actually getting? Norther government can lock people up who committed no crime. You going on record saying half a million for the French to lock them up? You saying that’s definitely going to happen?
I saw the press conference too. Macron looked smug and full of himself, Sunak seemed bruised and a touch tetchy.
Half a *billion* - or, for clarity, more than 500m poounds sterling.
Or just one "fast-track, friends and family" PPE Covid contract.
18 years since the Frogs won at Twickenham. That clock looks like it will reset itself tonight. This England side haven’t turned up at all.
This is going to be the biggest humiliation against the French since Sunak had to bribe the French to deal with the boats.
Sunak and the UK were mugged. There is not a single Tory on this site who can tell us what we will get for that half a billion.
Congrats to Liverpool keeping it to just one today, btw.
Big G was deliriously pleased with Sunak's Macron deal last evening, but not so much with Rochdale and his "lubed up" comment.
I saw that. It’s Big G I feel most sorry for, he bigged up these weeks on achieving the impossible on North Sea border and Channel crossings being sorted by cooperation across the channel, yet here we are, mugged.
Big G nor HY cannot tell us what we are getting for that half billion, as France can’t detain anyone for long who haven’t committed a crime, no more than UK could get away with it. It would be embarrassing to hear anyone we like say that’s is the agreement and it will happen. 😞
Let's be honest Sunak could have come back with a box of air and Big G would be telling us how good it was.
The rule with his posts is to wait a week before they inevitably fall apart. See Liz Truss for previous examples.
But I feel sorry for Big G. I feel sorry for MarqueeMark. I feel sorry for CR having meltdown and bullied in the playground this morning as well. All PB Tories are being stitched up by these incompetent Conservative governments.
Considering the number of BBC employees/consultants tweeting anti Labour stuff over the last six years, what an unbelievably dumb ass move for the Mail and Tory government to own Cancel Culture!
1. The Mail and the Tories can now no longer speak or argue against Cancel Culture, having gone there themselves. 2. In Cancelling Lineker over one relatively innocuous “looks like politics of 1930s Germany imo” tweet, they have handed opponents a Millwall Brick to smash Tory faces in every time someone tweets negatively against the opposition, Corbyn, Starmer etc.
Incredible. 🤷♀️
But I can put my finger on exactly why the Tory governments been so inept the last few years. Remember Lady Thatcher had a bluff Yorkshireman she called her Rock? Would he have allowed the clueless inbred management consultants who surround the last three PMs to drive something like this? Nah. He would have gone in there and cracked together a few skulls of these clueless inbred management consultants who the Tories employ as communication and policy experts. And that in a nutshell is exactly why the Tories keep shooting their own feet off on a daily basis right now.
Comparing democratic politicians to Nazis is not innocuous, and ought to be challenged.
Savile was cunning enough to curry favour right across the establishment as a whole as part of cultivating the impression for complainants, the media, and the Police that he was untouchable.
He was, however, vocally Thatcherite for many years and he and she personally got on well. I don't actually criticise Thatcher for that myself. She pretty clearly didn't know he was a prolific sex offender and believed he was simply a supportive media personality. Indeed, it was pretty easy to believe that Savile was an English eccentric rather than a dangerous pervert, and most people did at the time.
But the point is that there have been people who have been overtly political whilst working for the BBC as presenters outside the sphere of news/current affairs, including on the pro-Conservative side, and Savile happens to be one.
Saville was not a true Tory, a true Tory would have supported Heath in 1970 and 1974, Saville didn't, he supported and campaigned for Thorpe's Liberals. He backed Thatcher's Tories yes but then like Alan B'Stard (also not a true Tory) he switched over time to New Labour, even if he was back with the Tories once Cameron took over.
Ideolically Saville was basically a libertarian unsurprisingly
Back to “True Tories”. You really are a very odd little man.
But they didn't give him the keys to the hospital.
The Tories however weren't responsible for not prosecuting him
Oh we are going there again. No govt is responsible for prosecuting anyone. It is independent as it should be.
Indeed, in England there is an independent public prosecutor, and the DPP isn’t a political figure.
Isn’t a political figure?! Got a knighthood out of it.
Tons of civil servants get orders, as part of the seniority of their position. IIRC the vast majority of the honours lists consist of such.
Hence
Woolley: In the service, CMG stands for “Call Me God”. And KCMG for “Kindly Call Me God”. Hacker: What does GCMG stand for? Woolley: “God Calls Me God”.
18 years since the Frogs won at Twickenham. That clock looks like it will reset itself tonight. This England side haven’t turned up at all.
This is going to be the biggest humiliation against the French since Sunak had to bribe the French to deal with the boats.
Sunak and the UK were mugged. There is not a single Tory on this site who can tell us what we will get for that half a billion.
Congrats to Liverpool keeping it to just one today, btw.
Big G was deliriously pleased with Sunak's Macron deal last evening, but not so much with Rochdale and his "lubed up" comment.
I saw that. It’s Big G I feel most sorry for, he bigged up these weeks on achieving the impossible on North Sea border and Channel crossings being sorted by cooperation across the channel, yet here we are, mugged.
Big G nor HY cannot tell us what we are getting for that half billion, as France can’t detain anyone for long who haven’t committed a crime, no more than UK could get away with it. It would be embarrassing to hear anyone we like say that’s is the agreement and it will happen. 😞
Good evening and seems right time to log on
I listened to the whole of the news conference between Macron and Sunak and summarised it yesterday
So far the UK-France agreements have achieved the following
33,000 channel crossings stopped in 2022
More than 500 arrests and 59 organised crime groups dismantled since the start of tye joint agreement in 2000
Over 3,700 crossings attempts stopped so far in 2023
And to help you understand the allocation of the funds over the next 3 years here is the detail
And on returns from UK and to the EU Macron announces that the UK and EU have agreed to cooperate across the EU as all are facing similar issues
Where’s the beef? What are we actually getting? Norther government can lock people up who committed no crime. You going on record saying half a million for the French to lock them up? You saying that’s definitely going to happen?
I saw the press conference too. Macron looked smug and full of himself, Sunak seemed bruised and a touch tetchy.
Half a *billion* - or, for clarity, more than 500m poounds sterling.
Or just one "fast-track, friends and family" PPE Covid contract.
Savile was cunning enough to curry favour right across the establishment as a whole as part of cultivating the impression for complainants, the media, and the Police that he was untouchable.
He was, however, vocally Thatcherite for many years and he and she personally got on well. I don't actually criticise Thatcher for that myself. She pretty clearly didn't know he was a prolific sex offender and believed he was simply a supportive media personality. Indeed, it was pretty easy to believe that Savile was an English eccentric rather than a dangerous pervert, and most people did at the time.
But the point is that there have been people who have been overtly political whilst working for the BBC as presenters outside the sphere of news/current affairs, including on the pro-Conservative side, and Savile happens to be one.
Saville was not a true Tory, a true Tory would have supported Heath in 1970 and 1974, Saville didn't, he supported and campaigned for Thorpe's Liberals. He backed Thatcher's Tories yes but then like Alan B'Stard (also not a true Tory) he switched over time to New Labour, even if he was back with the Tories once Cameron took over.
Ideolically Saville was basically a libertarian unsurprisingly
Your argument that someone isn't a real Conservative unless they've always blindly voted Conservative is consistent, but also incredibly weird. Still, there we go - you're just an English eccentric, presumably.
Savile was cunning enough to curry favour right across the establishment as a whole as part of cultivating the impression for complainants, the media, and the Police that he was untouchable.
He was, however, vocally Thatcherite for many years and he and she personally got on well. I don't actually criticise Thatcher for that myself. She pretty clearly didn't know he was a prolific sex offender and believed he was simply a supportive media personality. Indeed, it was pretty easy to believe that Savile was an English eccentric rather than a dangerous pervert, and most people did at the time.
But the point is that there have been people who have been overtly political whilst working for the BBC as presenters outside the sphere of news/current affairs, including on the pro-Conservative side, and Savile happens to be one.
Saville was not a true Tory, a true Tory would have supported Heath in 1970 and 1974, Saville didn't, he supported and campaigned for Thorpe's Liberals. He backed Thatcher's Tories yes but then like Alan B'Stard (also not a true Tory) he switched over time to New Labour, even if he was back with the Tories once Cameron took over.
Ideolically Saville was basically a libertarian unsurprisingly
Back to “True Tories”. You really are a very odd little man.
With your monomaniacal hatred of everything and everyone English I really wouldn’t be calling HYUFD “odd” if I were you.
I don't like the governments policy on small boats or its disregard for international law, but the one thing that irritates me more is people who peddle slogans like 'migrants welcome'. How many? 1 billion? 2 billion? Would they want to make any assessment of their claim to come to the UK, or just let everyone in? ... to which they have no answer.
It seems to me that, even though these people are often the most vocal on this issue, and also fall within the category of people that like to 'cancel' opposing opinions they don't like, their position is ultimately hopelessly flawed, and this is obvious to everyone that doesn't share their view on the subject.
Do they really have "no answer" to it?
Their first point would surely be that the figures you've suggested are plainly ludicrous - that the level of demand simply isn't that high as evidenced by numbers applying.
The second point most (but not all) would make is yes, they would want to assess the claims of those seeking to come in.
It seems to me you're (accidentally) falling into the trap of accepting the false dichotomy that a few people (on both extremes) present that you can either be aggressively hostile to all migrants, or apply absolutely no threshold at all, with no ground in between.
The reason why people don't apply or try and get here is because, if you have no legal route in to the UK, then it is extremely dangerous. If it was just a case of boarding a flight or a ferry then the numbers would obviously rise dramatically.
Most people wanting to get here would also have some kind of reasonable claim, be this some kind of family connection, or fleeing some kind of difficult situation. That's the problem. The moral dilemma never ends.
His book, "Escape from Slavery", is entertaining, as well as informative. I chuckled over his stories about adapting to life in the US, beginning in North Dakota. (He was sponsored by a Lutheran group there.) And he tells, later, of the difficulty of finding ready-to-wear clothes -- there aren't many American boys or men who are 6'5", and weigh just 150 pounds.
(I think his story was one of the reasons the George W. Bush administration backed the seccession of South Sudan, and wish the Obama administration had done more to help that poor nation.)
18 years since the Frogs won at Twickenham. That clock looks like it will reset itself tonight. This England side haven’t turned up at all.
This is going to be the biggest humiliation against the French since Sunak had to bribe the French to deal with the boats.
Sunak and the UK were mugged. There is not a single Tory on this site who can tell us what we will get for that half a billion.
Congrats to Liverpool keeping it to just one today, btw.
Big G was deliriously pleased with Sunak's Macron deal last evening, but not so much with Rochdale and his "lubed up" comment.
I saw that. It’s Big G I feel most sorry for, he bigged up these weeks on achieving the impossible on North Sea border and Channel crossings being sorted by cooperation across the channel, yet here we are, mugged.
Big G nor HY cannot tell us what we are getting for that half billion, as France can’t detain anyone for long who haven’t committed a crime, no more than UK could get away with it. It would be embarrassing to hear anyone we like say that’s is the agreement and it will happen. 😞
Good evening and seems right time to log on
I listened to the whole of the news conference between Macron and Sunak and summarised it yesterday
So far the UK-France agreements have achieved the following
33,000 channel crossings stopped in 2022
More than 500 arrests and 59 organised crime groups dismantled since the start of tye joint agreement in 2000
Over 3,700 crossings attempts stopped so far in 2023
And to help you understand the allocation of the funds over the next 3 years here is the detail
And on returns from UK and to the EU Macron announces that the UK and EU have agreed to cooperate across the EU as all are facing similar issues
Where’s the beef? What are we actually getting? Neither government can lock people up who committed no crime. You going on record saying half a billion for the French to lock them up? You saying that’s definitely going to happen? Can we get the money back when courts thrawt them?
I saw the press conference too. Macron looked smug and full of himself, Sunak seemed bruised and a touch tetchy.
Here’s the kicker. Macron in your press conference knows exactly how this plays out.
There is no point in arguing with you when it is explained by an independent source, but then you have the same attitude to the WF
I am content that a new relationship is developing in Europe and that is to be welcomed and if anyone thinks this crisis can be resolved cost free then I am sorry that is unrealistic
We will see in time how this pans out but I am content Sunak is leading the country for the next 18 months
Something tells me neither Sharp or Davie will be at the BBC when Starmer becomes PM. Though, to be honest, I think there's fair chance Davie will fall on his sword in the coming week.
Savile was cunning enough to curry favour right across the establishment as a whole as part of cultivating the impression for complainants, the media, and the Police that he was untouchable.
He was, however, vocally Thatcherite for many years and he and she personally got on well. I don't actually criticise Thatcher for that myself. She pretty clearly didn't know he was a prolific sex offender and believed he was simply a supportive media personality. Indeed, it was pretty easy to believe that Savile was an English eccentric rather than a dangerous pervert, and most people did at the time.
But the point is that there have been people who have been overtly political whilst working for the BBC as presenters outside the sphere of news/current affairs, including on the pro-Conservative side, and Savile happens to be one.
Saville was not a true Tory, a true Tory would have supported Heath in 1970 and 1974, Saville didn't, he supported and campaigned for Thorpe's Liberals. He backed Thatcher's Tories yes but then like Alan B'Stard (also not a true Tory) he switched over time to New Labour, even if he was back with the Tories once Cameron took over.
Ideologically Saville was basically a libertarian unsurprisingly
Savile wasn't anything "ideologically," he was just a kiddie fiddler. His existence was centred on gaining power over the vulnerable, and abusing that power in the most heinous fashion imaginable at every available opportunity. Not everything in life revolves around politics.
18 years since the Frogs won at Twickenham. That clock looks like it will reset itself tonight. This England side haven’t turned up at all.
This is going to be the biggest humiliation against the French since Sunak had to bribe the French to deal with the boats.
Sunak and the UK were mugged. There is not a single Tory on this site who can tell us what we will get for that half a billion.
Congrats to Liverpool keeping it to just one today, btw.
Big G was deliriously pleased with Sunak's Macron deal last evening, but not so much with Rochdale and his "lubed up" comment.
I saw that. It’s Big G I feel most sorry for, he bigged up these weeks on achieving the impossible on North Sea border and Channel crossings being sorted by cooperation across the channel, yet here we are, mugged.
Big G nor HY cannot tell us what we are getting for that half billion, as France can’t detain anyone for long who haven’t committed a crime, no more than UK could get away with it. It would be embarrassing to hear anyone we like say that’s is the agreement and it will happen. 😞
Let's be honest Sunak could have come back with a box of air and Big G would be telling us how good it was.
The rule with his posts is to wait a week before they inevitably fall apart. See Liz Truss for previous examples.
But I feel sorry for Big G. I feel sorry for MarqueeMark. I feel sorry for CR having meltdown and bullied in the playground this morning as well. All PB Tories are being stitched up by these incompetent Conservative governments.
Considering the number of BBC employees/consultants tweeting anti Labour stuff over the last six years, what an unbelievably dumb ass move for the Mail and Tory government to own Cancel Culture!
1. The Mail and the Tories can now no longer speak or argue against Cancel Culture, having gone there themselves. 2. In Cancelling Lineker over one relatively innocuous “looks like politics of 1930s Germany imo” tweet, they have handed opponents a Millwall Brick to smash Tory faces in every time someone tweets negatively against the opposition, Corbyn, Starmer etc.
Incredible. 🤷♀️
But I can put my finger on exactly why the Tory governments been so inept the last few years. Remember Lady Thatcher had a bluff Yorkshireman she called her Rock? Would he have allowed the clueless inbred management consultants who surround the last three PMs to drive something like this? Nah. He would have gone in there and cracked together a few skulls of these clueless inbred management consultants who the Tories employ as communication and policy experts. And that in a nutshell is exactly why the Tories keep shooting their own feet off on a daily basis right now.
Comparing democratic politicians to Nazis is not innocuous, and ought to be challenged.
And where is this 'smash Tory faces in' coming from ?
Savile was cunning enough to curry favour right across the establishment as a whole as part of cultivating the impression for complainants, the media, and the Police that he was untouchable.
He was, however, vocally Thatcherite for many years and he and she personally got on well. I don't actually criticise Thatcher for that myself. She pretty clearly didn't know he was a prolific sex offender and believed he was simply a supportive media personality. Indeed, it was pretty easy to believe that Savile was an English eccentric rather than a dangerous pervert, and most people did at the time.
But the point is that there have been people who have been overtly political whilst working for the BBC as presenters outside the sphere of news/current affairs, including on the pro-Conservative side, and Savile happens to be one.
Saville was not a true Tory, a true Tory would have supported Heath in 1970 and 1974, Saville didn't, he supported and campaigned for Thorpe's Liberals. He backed Thatcher's Tories yes but then like Alan B'Stard (also not a true Tory) he switched over time to New Labour, even if he was back with the Tories once Cameron took over.
Ideologically Saville was basically a libertarian unsurprisingly
Savile wasn't anything "ideologically," he was just a kiddie fiddler. His existence was centred on gaining power over the vulnerable, and abusing that power in the most heinous fashion imaginable at every available opportunity. Not everything in life revolves around politics.
Yes he was all that and should have been convicted and jailed for it before he died.
However even criminals normally have some ideological political views, often unsurprisingly of the most extreme libertarian and even anarchist kind
18 years since the Frogs won at Twickenham. That clock looks like it will reset itself tonight. This England side haven’t turned up at all.
This is going to be the biggest humiliation against the French since Sunak had to bribe the French to deal with the boats.
Sunak and the UK were mugged. There is not a single Tory on this site who can tell us what we will get for that half a billion.
Congrats to Liverpool keeping it to just one today, btw.
Big G was deliriously pleased with Sunak's Macron deal last evening, but not so much with Rochdale and his "lubed up" comment.
I saw that. It’s Big G I feel most sorry for, he bigged up these weeks on achieving the impossible on North Sea border and Channel crossings being sorted by cooperation across the channel, yet here we are, mugged.
Big G nor HY cannot tell us what we are getting for that half billion, as France can’t detain anyone for long who haven’t committed a crime, no more than UK could get away with it. It would be embarrassing to hear anyone we like say that’s is the agreement and it will happen. 😞
Good evening and seems right time to log on
I listened to the whole of the news conference between Macron and Sunak and summarised it yesterday
So far the UK-France agreements have achieved the following
33,000 channel crossings stopped in 2022
More than 500 arrests and 59 organised crime groups dismantled since the start of tye joint agreement in 2000
Over 3,700 crossings attempts stopped so far in 2023
And to help you understand the allocation of the funds over the next 3 years here is the detail
And on returns from UK and to the EU Macron announces that the UK and EU have agreed to cooperate across the EU as all are facing similar issues
Where’s the beef? What are we actually getting? Neither government can lock people up who committed no crime. You going on record saying half a billion for the French to lock them up? You saying that’s definitely going to happen? Can we get the money back when courts thrawt them?
I saw the press conference too. Macron looked smug and full of himself, Sunak seemed bruised and a touch tetchy.
Here’s the kicker. Macron in your press conference knows exactly how this plays out.
There is no point in arguing with you when it is explained by an independent source, but then you have the same attitude to the WF
I am content that a new relationship is developing in Europe and that is to be welcomed and if anyone thinks this crisis can be resolved cost free then I am sorry that is unrealistic
We will see in time how this pans out but I am content Sunak is leading the country for the next 18 months
What comes after that who knows
I think it touching you’ve pinned all your hopes on the meaningless photo opps yesterday but nothing has changed. We’ve sent the French some money for nothing and that’s it. Where’s the substance? How did it change anything on the ground?
His book, "Escape from Slavery", is entertaining, as well as informative. I chuckled over his stories about adapting to life in the US, beginning in North Dakota. (He was sponsored by a Lutheran group there.) And he tells, later, of the difficulty of finding ready-to-wear clothes -- there aren't many American boys or men who are 6'5", and weigh just 150 pounds.
(I think his story was one of the reasons the George W. Bush administration backed the seccession of South Sudan, and wish the Obama administration had done more to help that poor nation.)
That Wikipedia has a wonderfully odd turn of phrase: he was a slave before becoming an abolitionist? That rather suggests it was only when he ceased being a slave he thought, hmmm, maybe this slavery thing isn't all it's cracked up to be.
Savile was cunning enough to curry favour right across the establishment as a whole as part of cultivating the impression for complainants, the media, and the Police that he was untouchable.
He was, however, vocally Thatcherite for many years and he and she personally got on well. I don't actually criticise Thatcher for that myself. She pretty clearly didn't know he was a prolific sex offender and believed he was simply a supportive media personality. Indeed, it was pretty easy to believe that Savile was an English eccentric rather than a dangerous pervert, and most people did at the time.
But the point is that there have been people who have been overtly political whilst working for the BBC as presenters outside the sphere of news/current affairs, including on the pro-Conservative side, and Savile happens to be one.
Saville was not a true Tory, a true Tory would have supported Heath in 1970 and 1974, Saville didn't, he supported and campaigned for Thorpe's Liberals. He backed Thatcher's Tories yes but then like Alan B'Stard (also not a true Tory) he switched over time to New Labour, even if he was back with the Tories once Cameron took over.
Ideologically Saville was basically a libertarian unsurprisingly
Hang on, the other day you said the Heath govt weren't true Tories. This is going around in circles.
55% of Conservative voters and 50% of Leavers say they should not be able to express political views outside the BBC however
Tories and Leavers love cancel culture and hate free speech.
People on the political extremes ALL enjoy vanquishing and trying to gag their opponents. You see exactly the same thing with the labelling of gender critical feminists as TERFs (which, in fact, is an infinitely worse situation - insofar as I'm aware nobody has threatened to violate and brutally murder a certain football pundit for critiquing the Government's refugee policies.) It is the sickness of the age.
Still a better national anthem than the dirge that is God Save The King.
Can't recall many composers offering variations on La Marseillaise, or other nations using it for themselves. Whereas God Save The King appears in works by Haydn, Beethoven. GSTK used as a Prussian Royal Anthem up to August 1914.
The tune of GSTK is the same as "Oben am jungen Rhein" the national anthem of Liechtenstein:
I always seem to miss the fun. That's the problem with exiling oneself to ConHome.
And gentlemen in England now a-bed Shall think themselves accursed they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Leon's ban day.
What was Leon banned for? I never liked that poster, ever since he wrote the words "We are a white country". Will the ban be permanent?
Anyone else whose views you don’t like you want to be banned?
This isn't a public access forum. I might like a restaurant but decide to stop eating there if a guy in the corner who rants on about how blacks should accept that Britain is a white people's country keeps making himself heard. I might even tell the owner. There are probably views you don't want to hear too in similar contexts. Anyway I was just asking whether the ban would be permanent, that's all. Leon has been banned several times before and allowed back.
One of the very best things about this site imo is the degree to which it allows opinions to be heard. I agree with you about the 'we are a white country' comment, but disagree with the comparison to a restaurant. You go to a restaurant to enjoy the food, and a racist ranting in the corner is incidental to the experience, and you lose nothing and gain lots of they are ejected.
You come here for the politics, and Leon's views, whatever you or I might think of them, are part of that politics.
Posting shit travel shots and posting comments about sandwiches notsomuch.
An obvious solution is to bring in Ian Hislop or A.N. Wilson to host match of the day. In the meantime Gary Lineker can front the BBC's much less controversial, arts coverage.
Savile was cunning enough to curry favour right across the establishment as a whole as part of cultivating the impression for complainants, the media, and the Police that he was untouchable.
He was, however, vocally Thatcherite for many years and he and she personally got on well. I don't actually criticise Thatcher for that myself. She pretty clearly didn't know he was a prolific sex offender and believed he was simply a supportive media personality. Indeed, it was pretty easy to believe that Savile was an English eccentric rather than a dangerous pervert, and most people did at the time.
But the point is that there have been people who have been overtly political whilst working for the BBC as presenters outside the sphere of news/current affairs, including on the pro-Conservative side, and Savile happens to be one.
Saville was not a true Tory, a true Tory would have supported Heath in 1970 and 1974, Saville didn't, he supported and campaigned for Thorpe's Liberals. He backed Thatcher's Tories yes but then like Alan B'Stard (also not a true Tory) he switched over time to New Labour, even if he was back with the Tories once Cameron took over.
Ideologically Saville was basically a libertarian unsurprisingly
Hang on, the other day you said the Heath govt weren't true Tories. This is going around in circles.
There *are* no true Tories but HYUFD. His definition (from a posting a few days ago IIRC) is based on slavish royalism, unthinking unionism and the establishment of the C of E. Hard luck if you want stuff like sound money, or low tax, or probity in public life.
I don't like the governments policy on small boats or its disregard for international law, but the one thing that irritates me more is people who peddle slogans like 'migrants welcome'. How many? 1 billion? 2 billion? Would they want to make any assessment of their claim to come to the UK, or just let everyone in? ... to which they have no answer.
It seems to me that, even though these people are often the most vocal on this issue, and also fall within the category of people that like to 'cancel' opposing opinions they don't like, their position is ultimately hopelessly flawed, and this is obvious to everyone that doesn't share their view on the subject.
Do they really have "no answer" to it?
Their first point would surely be that the figures you've suggested are plainly ludicrous - that the level of demand simply isn't that high as evidenced by numbers applying.
The second point most (but not all) would make is yes, they would want to assess the claims of those seeking to come in.
It seems to me you're (accidentally) falling into the trap of accepting the false dichotomy that a few people (on both extremes) present that you can either be aggressively hostile to all migrants, or apply absolutely no threshold at all, with no ground in between.
The reason why people don't apply or try and get here is because, if you have no legal route in to the UK, then it is extremely dangerous. If it was just a case of boarding a flight or a ferry then the numbers would obviously rise dramatically.
Most people wanting to get here would also have some kind of reasonable claim, be this some kind of family connection, or fleeing some kind of difficult situation. That's the problem. The moral dilemma never ends.
I'm sure it's true that creating legal routes makes it easier to apply, and making it easier to apply increases applications.
But the issue is one of scale. Your original post asked if those who say "migrants welcome" would welcome one or two billion. That's simply absurd, and isn't suggestive of a "moral dilemma" - instead it suggests hysteria.
I think the scale issue is perfectly reasonable to debate, but it really needs to be had on a realistic basis, accepting the cons and pros of migration for the destination country.
Savile was cunning enough to curry favour right across the establishment as a whole as part of cultivating the impression for complainants, the media, and the Police that he was untouchable.
He was, however, vocally Thatcherite for many years and he and she personally got on well. I don't actually criticise Thatcher for that myself. She pretty clearly didn't know he was a prolific sex offender and believed he was simply a supportive media personality. Indeed, it was pretty easy to believe that Savile was an English eccentric rather than a dangerous pervert, and most people did at the time.
But the point is that there have been people who have been overtly political whilst working for the BBC as presenters outside the sphere of news/current affairs, including on the pro-Conservative side, and Savile happens to be one.
Saville was not a true Tory, a true Tory would have supported Heath in 1970 and 1974, Saville didn't, he supported and campaigned for Thorpe's Liberals. He backed Thatcher's Tories yes but then like Alan B'Stard (also not a true Tory) he switched over time to New Labour, even if he was back with the Tories once Cameron took over.
Ideolically Saville was basically a libertarian unsurprisingly
Back to “True Tories”. You really are a very odd little man.
Notable that HYUFD doesn’t mention being a necrophiliac and paedophile as any obstacle to being a true Tory.
Savile was cunning enough to curry favour right across the establishment as a whole as part of cultivating the impression for complainants, the media, and the Police that he was untouchable.
He was, however, vocally Thatcherite for many years and he and she personally got on well. I don't actually criticise Thatcher for that myself. She pretty clearly didn't know he was a prolific sex offender and believed he was simply a supportive media personality. Indeed, it was pretty easy to believe that Savile was an English eccentric rather than a dangerous pervert, and most people did at the time.
But the point is that there have been people who have been overtly political whilst working for the BBC as presenters outside the sphere of news/current affairs, including on the pro-Conservative side, and Savile happens to be one.
Saville was not a true Tory, a true Tory would have supported Heath in 1970 and 1974, Saville didn't, he supported and campaigned for Thorpe's Liberals. He backed Thatcher's Tories yes but then like Alan B'Stard (also not a true Tory) he switched over time to New Labour, even if he was back with the Tories once Cameron took over.
Ideolically Saville was basically a libertarian unsurprisingly
Back to “True Tories”. You really are a very odd little man.
Notable that HYUFD doesn’t mention being a necrophiliac and paedophile as any obstacle to being a true Tory.
The latter wasn't an obstacle to Cyril Smith being a Liberal MP and former Labour councillor either
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What I find suprising is developers building and people buying houses that are likely to rapidly end up unmortgageable, ie those in flood zones, or using experimental building techniques... often people are paying £1 - £2 million for these houses in London.
https://twitter.com/macdonke/status/1634280722608402432?s=46
UK government rightly wants Britain to be one of the world’s great tech ecosystems. First priority: ensuring that thousands of UK startups make payroll this month.
No bailout for SVB shareholders, but if depositors can’t access funds, the startup ecosystem is decimated.
https://mobile.twitter.com/matthewclifford/status/1634489252011552769
And how much is it a problem of short term liquidity versus actual capital losses on their SVB deposits ?
Possibly not a small problem for UK tech.
Do you know how much exposure the UK startup ecosystem has to SVB?
I don’t have official data but looking at EF portfolio, looks at least 30%. So a big big deal....
https://mobile.twitter.com/matthewclifford/status/1634502199253278721
Their first point would surely be that the figures you've suggested are plainly ludicrous - that the level of demand simply isn't that high as evidenced by numbers applying.
The second point most (but not all) would make is yes, they would want to assess the claims of those seeking to come in.
It seems to me you're (accidentally) falling into the trap of accepting the false dichotomy that a few people (on both extremes) present that you can either be aggressively hostile to all migrants, or apply absolutely no threshold at all, with no ground in between.
Big G nor HY cannot tell us what we are getting for that half billion, as France can’t detain anyone for long who haven’t committed a crime, no more than UK could get away with it. It would be embarrassing to hear anyone we like say that’s is the agreement and it will happen. 😞
Match of the Day will be shortened to about 20 minutes tonight because the BBC has no commentary.
Faced with the prospect of a nearly silent broadcast after commentators refused to work on the programme in solidarity with Gary Lineker, the BBC has opted to show a condensed version. The corporation is understood to be contractually obliged to show highlights from the Premier League.
Second, Lineker will not struggle to get work if he never works for the BBC again.
Third, when its a principle it doesn't matter how many support you.
He can be the Sports Minister in a couple of years if he fancies it.
FWIW I've never liked Lineker - either his work or his past personal record. Makes no difference to the fact that this nonsense has seriously damaged the BBC's journalistic reputation. Forget about BBC Sport this has BBC News branded as Government poodles at home and abroad. Reduced to the level of rubbish like the Mail and the Spectator
He had then spent years ignoring the multiple demands, Court cases etc. Until his multiple contempts of court resulted in an arrest warrant.
The house itself was unsaleable - multiple court orders stacked up. No mortgage lender would touch it.
She managed to get an agreement from the people running the conservation area and the courts etc, that she, personally would be trusted to sort out the windows. Which in turn meant that she was the only person who could get a mortgage on the property.
https://twitter.com/alastairmeeks/status/1634606519256850433?s=46
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1RN0BQsBsE&themeRefresh=1
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487217/Jimmy-Savile-harassed-music-boss-wife-Chequers-dinner-party-hosted-Tony-Blair.html
Football is the reality here, political football.
What is clear from Linekers tweet, which I don’t agree with him or support him on, just like all Guardianista he refers to the channel crosses as refugees - it’s all a UK refugee issue. Contrast and compare with how the Tory’s designed it and the Mail on Sunday front page editorial and Sunak at PMQs perfectly described it - not refugees, the invasion is illegal immigration and clear immigration/tough border policy dividing line between Tory and Labour.
Spotted the difference yet? There is no difference. Because neither side get remotely near to acknowledging the truth, both conflating and distorting the accurate truth that it’s refuges amongst illegal immigration, it’s both issues at once!
Are they too stupid to realise the truth? No of course not. Yes it has been brewing for years, because neither side want to be truthful on this, they spin and lie as matter of choice because they prefer in the first instance to use the situation as a political football to their own advantage.
What for this time?
The rule with his posts is to wait a week before they inevitably fall apart. See Liz Truss for previous examples.
Come to think of it, could we issue derivatives of immigrants - Collateralised Life Debt Obligations?
Edit: But is isn’t!
https://twitter.com/yestories/status/1634593005771407366?s=46
I listened to the whole of the news conference between Macron and Sunak and summarised it yesterday
So far the UK-France agreements have achieved the following
33,000 channel crossings stopped in 2022
More than 500 arrests and 59 organised crime groups dismantled since the start of tye joint agreement in 2000
Over 3,700 crossings attempts stopped so far in 2023
And to help you understand the allocation of the funds over the next 3 years here is the detail
And on returns from UK and to the EU Macron announces that the UK and EU have agreed to cooperate across the EU as all are facing similar issues
https://www.firstpost.com/world/france-and-britain-agree-to-new-577-million-deal-to-stop-migrants-from-crossing-english-channel-12272082.html
Should: 46%
Should not: 33%
https://twitter.com/yougov/status/1634583086158565377?s=46
He was, however, vocally Thatcherite for many years and he and she personally got on well. I don't actually criticise Thatcher for that myself. She pretty clearly didn't know he was a prolific sex offender and believed he was simply a supportive media personality. Indeed, it was pretty easy to believe that Savile was an English eccentric rather than a dangerous pervert, and most people did at the time.
But the point is that there have been people who have been overtly political whilst working for the BBC as presenters outside the sphere of news/current affairs, including on the pro-Conservative side, and Savile happens to be one.
You going on record saying half a billion for the French to lock them up? You saying that’s definitely going to happen? Can we get the money back when courts thrawt them?
I saw the press conference too. Macron looked smug and full of himself, Sunak seemed bruised and a touch tetchy.
Here’s the kicker. Macron in your press conference knows exactly how this plays out.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/23379266.uci-president-gearing-festival-cycling-scotland/
Considering the number of BBC employees/consultants tweeting anti Labour stuff over the last six years, what an unbelievably dumb ass move for the Mail and Tory government to own Cancel Culture!
1. The Mail and the Tories can now no longer speak or argue against Cancel Culture, having gone there themselves.
2. In Cancelling Lineker over one relatively innocuous “looks like politics of 1930s Germany imo” tweet, they have handed opponents a Millwall Brick to smash Tory faces in every time someone tweets negatively against the opposition, Corbyn, Starmer etc.
Incredible. 🤷♀️
But I can put my finger on exactly why the Tory governments been so inept the last few years. Remember Lady Thatcher had a bluff Yorkshireman she called her Rock? Would he have allowed the clueless inbred management consultants who surround the last three PMs to drive something like this? Nah. He would have gone in there and cracked together a few skulls of these clueless inbred management consultants who the Tories employ as communication and policy experts. And that in a nutshell is exactly why the Tories keep shooting their own feet off on a daily basis right now.
Ideologically Saville was basically a libertarian unsurprisingly
Hence
Woolley: In the service, CMG stands for “Call Me God”. And KCMG for “Kindly Call Me God”.
Hacker: What does GCMG stand for?
Woolley: “God Calls Me God”.
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Most people wanting to get here would also have some kind of reasonable claim, be this some kind of family connection, or fleeing some kind of difficult situation. That's the problem. The moral dilemma never ends.
His book, "Escape from Slavery", is entertaining, as well as informative. I chuckled over his stories about adapting to life in the US, beginning in North Dakota. (He was sponsored by a Lutheran group there.) And he tells, later, of the difficulty of finding ready-to-wear clothes -- there aren't many American boys or men who are 6'5", and weigh just 150 pounds.
(I think his story was one of the reasons the George W. Bush administration backed the seccession of South Sudan, and wish the Obama administration had done more to help that poor nation.)
I am content that a new relationship is developing in Europe and that is to be welcomed and if anyone thinks this crisis can be resolved cost free then I am sorry that is unrealistic
We will see in time how this pans out but I am content Sunak is leading the country for the next 18 months
What comes after that who knows
Though, to be honest, I think there's fair chance Davie will fall on his sword in the coming week.
However even criminals normally have some ideological political views, often unsurprisingly of the most extreme libertarian and even anarchist kind
You come here for the politics, and Leon's views, whatever you or I might think of them, are part of that politics.
Posting shit travel shots and posting comments about sandwiches notsomuch.
But the issue is one of scale. Your original post asked if those who say "migrants welcome" would welcome one or two billion. That's simply absurd, and isn't suggestive of a "moral dilemma" - instead it suggests hysteria.
I think the scale issue is perfectly reasonable to debate, but it really needs to be had on a realistic basis, accepting the cons and pros of migration for the destination country.
Lay England win the world cup this autumn.
And then France score another try.