So son asks if NI can have access to the EU single market and the U.K market, why can’t the rest of the country.
It’s a hard one.
Its piss easy, NI is treated as if it is in the UK (which it is) and in Ireland (which is in the EU) so it gets both.
It is the same reason someone born in Belfast can have British citizenship and Irish citizenship, but someone born in Bristol can't.
What part of that is confusing.
That makes no sense whatsoever if we are all citizens of a united kingdom.
It must be my age.
Quantum mechanics is hard to understand and NI is almost as tricky.
We are citizens of a United Kingdom so are all equally a part of the UK market. NI citizens are citizens of Ireland as well as the United Kingdom not instead of it. So they get access to the Irish market and the UK market simultaneously.
The fact that NI is part of the Irish market as well as the UK market simultaneously doesn't make the UK any less UK, it just makes NI special as far as Ireland is concerned. If you're from Derby not Derry and want to be Irish then you can move to Dublin.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
So son asks if NI can have access to the EU single market and the U.K market, why can’t the rest of the country.
It’s a hard one.
Its piss easy, NI is treated as if it is in the UK (which it is) and in Ireland (which is in the EU) so it gets both.
It is the same reason someone born in Belfast can have British citizenship and Irish citizenship, but someone born in Bristol can't.
What part of that is confusing.
That makes no sense whatsoever if we are all citizens of a united kingdom.
It must be my age.
Quantum mechanics is hard to understand and NI is almost as tricky.
We are citizens of a United Kingdom so are all equally a part of the UK market. NI citizens are citizens of Ireland as well as the United Kingdom not instead of it. So they get access to the Irish market and the UK market simultaneously.
The fact that NI is part of the Irish market as well as the UK market simultaneously doesn't make the UK any less UK, it just makes NI special as far as Ireland is concerned. If you're from Derby not Derry and want to be Irish then you can move to Dublin.
"A Forbes victory would effectively lead to a different government. Doesn't rule out, in time, income tax cuts. Gets that growth is key and that needs a more supportive business environment. Supports "radical" NHS Reform."
More than that, it would be a complete repudiation of Sturgeon's political strategy and her legacy - the progressive alliance with Greens.
It's interesting that neither John Swinney or Angus Robertson have officially endorsed a candidate yet. Suspect they may go full Tonto if it really looks as if Forbes is set to win.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
So son asks if NI can have access to the EU single market and the U.K market, why can’t the rest of the country.
It’s a hard one.
Its piss easy, NI is treated as if it is in the UK (which it is) and in Ireland (which is in the EU) so it gets both.
It is the same reason someone born in Belfast can have British citizenship and Irish citizenship, but someone born in Bristol can't.
What part of that is confusing.
That makes no sense whatsoever if we are all citizens of a united kingdom.
It must be my age.
Quantum mechanics is hard to understand and NI is almost as tricky.
We are citizens of a United Kingdom so are all equally a part of the UK market. NI citizens are citizens of Ireland as well as the United Kingdom not instead of it. So they get access to the Irish market and the UK market simultaneously.
The fact that NI is part of the Irish market as well as the UK market simultaneously doesn't make the UK any less UK, it just makes NI special as far as Ireland is concerned. If you're from Derby not Derry and want to be Irish then you can move to Dublin.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
When did London join the Union of equals?
When did Scotland?
Scotland confirmed it wanted to stay in the UK in 2014 in a once in a generation referendum
Not a single minister at Holyrood has, so far, backed Forbes. Yousaf has three cabinet secretaries and a number of junior ministers supporting him.
Notably, Ian Blackford, who represents the same patch of the Highlands as Kate, has declared for Humza.
I wonder if this will influence SNP members?
As we have repeatedly seen, and very recently too, leaders who lack the support of their parliamentary colleagues invariably come to grief sooner or later.
The sooner parties realise there's no real benefit to having the leader chosen by Members the better. Yes, Corbyn's surge saw Labour massively boost numbers, but it didn't help win an election, and the Tories haven't seen a surge since they started having members choose.
Cut them out, and if the only reason they were a party member was to have a vote for Leader are they that much of an asset? Members didn't used to care about it.
Unfortunately the SNP (read: Sturgeon and Murrell and their helpers) have subverted internal party democracy so badly that a vote on the leader is one of the few meaningful perks remaining of being a member now.
What were the other meaningful perks previously?
Asking as a fairly long term member.
We certainly didn't get a discount on Tunnock's wafers.
I enjoyed it. If even one person laughed the comedians job is done.
Went to a Sara Pascoe gig on Saturday.
She mentioned that she met Nigel Farage once and introduced herself: "Hi, I'm Sara Pascoe, I'm a comedian" to which Farage apparently replied "I don't find comedy funny".
He doesn't find comedy funny?
Like, none of it?
I'm feeling a strange rush of emotions. First bewilderment, confusion. Then a touch of disbelief, perhaps even anger. And then pity. Pity for Nigel Farage! What an empty, dull, life not to find comedy funny.
I have a fair idea of the sorts of things that people like Farage find funny that aren't comedy. I've met a few people like him.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Not a single minister at Holyrood has, so far, backed Forbes. Yousaf has three cabinet secretaries and a number of junior ministers supporting him.
Notably, Ian Blackford, who represents the same patch of the Highlands as Kate, has declared for Humza.
I wonder if this will influence SNP members?
As we have repeatedly seen, and very recently too, leaders who lack the support of their parliamentary colleagues invariably come to grief sooner or later.
The sooner parties realise there's no real benefit to having the leader chosen by Members the better. Yes, Corbyn's surge saw Labour massively boost numbers, but it didn't help win an election, and the Tories haven't seen a surge since they started having members choose.
Cut them out, and if the only reason they were a party member was to have a vote for Leader are they that much of an asset? Members didn't used to care about it.
Unfortunately the SNP (read: Sturgeon and Murrell and their helpers) have subverted internal party democracy so badly that a vote on the leader is one of the few meaningful perks remaining of being a member now.
What were the other meaningful perks previously?
Asking as a fairly long term member.
We certainly didn't get a discount on Tunnock's wafers.
I enjoyed it. If even one person laughed the comedians job is done.
Went to a Sara Pascoe gig on Saturday.
She mentioned that she met Nigel Farage once and introduced herself: "Hi, I'm Sara Pascoe, I'm a comedian" to which Farage apparently replied "I don't find comedy funny".
He doesn't find comedy funny?
Like, none of it?
I'm feeling a strange rush of emotions. First bewilderment, confusion. Then a touch of disbelief, perhaps even anger. And then pity. Pity for Nigel Farage! What an empty, dull, life not to find comedy funny.
I have a fair idea of the sorts of things that people like Farage find funny that aren't comedy. I've met a few people like him.
So son asks if NI can have access to the EU single market and the U.K market, why can’t the rest of the country.
It’s a hard one.
Its piss easy, NI is treated as if it is in the UK (which it is) and in Ireland (which is in the EU) so it gets both.
It is the same reason someone born in Belfast can have British citizenship and Irish citizenship, but someone born in Bristol can't.
What part of that is confusing.
That makes no sense whatsoever if we are all citizens of a united kingdom.
It must be my age.
Quantum mechanics is hard to understand and NI is almost as tricky.
We are citizens of a United Kingdom so are all equally a part of the UK market. NI citizens are citizens of Ireland as well as the United Kingdom not instead of it. So they get access to the Irish market and the UK market simultaneously.
The fact that NI is part of the Irish market as well as the UK market simultaneously doesn't make the UK any less UK, it just makes NI special as far as Ireland is concerned. If you're from Derby not Derry and want to be Irish then you can move to Dublin.
Not without FoM we can't.
Thanks to the Common Travel Area you can move to Dublin if you're from Derby, and with six years residency you will qualify for Irish citizenship.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
So son asks if NI can have access to the EU single market and the U.K market, why can’t the rest of the country.
It’s a hard one.
The Leaver argument was that choosing better access to global markets - the Australia trade deal, the trans-Pacific one, etc - was better than having access to the Single Market. Consequently, paying the price of leaving the Single market would still pay off net, because of the global market access.
Let's put to one side for the moment whether this is true or not, because that argument has been done to death, but if for the sake of argument we assume it is true, then the reason NI is in such a great position is that it doesn't have to pay the price of losing Single Market access to gain Global Market access (via the UK market) - it can get both at once - but if the whole UK joined the Single Market it would have to give up the Global Market access.
I might disagree with the Leaver argument on a couple of points - I don't think the trade will result in a net benefit to the UK, and I think there was potential to get the EU to strike similar trade deals to get access to both markets from within the EU - but to a certain extent that's a matter of judgement that involves making predictions about the future. It's not a matter of fact that can be settled one way or the other. So I can certainly see a logical basis for the Leaver argument.
The smart-alec response of, "Why can't we all enjoy the benefits of Single Market access like NI?" just don't do it for me.
TLDR: The Leaver argument was lose access to the EU single market in the hope of gaining access to a global market that the EU could just as easily gain access to anyway?
Bollocks was it. The Leaver argument was 'we don't like the EU because it's the source of all our ills'.
We will negotiate a new UK-EU deal based on free trade and friendly cooperation. We will carry on trading with Europe but we will also be able to negotiate trade agreements with other countries. This will help our economy grow and create more jobs.
You may want to dumb down the opposite side of a debate because it makes you feel superior, but it just shows ignorance if you can't understand what others are actually saying.
Leave offered lots of juicy temptations why to vote Leave, trade was just one of them. I stand by my assertion that they added up to: 'the EU is the source of all our ills'.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
So son asks if NI can have access to the EU single market and the U.K market, why can’t the rest of the country.
It’s a hard one.
The Leaver argument was that choosing better access to global markets - the Australia trade deal, the trans-Pacific one, etc - was better than having access to the Single Market. Consequently, paying the price of leaving the Single market would still pay off net, because of the global market access.
Let's put to one side for the moment whether this is true or not, because that argument has been done to death, but if for the sake of argument we assume it is true, then the reason NI is in such a great position is that it doesn't have to pay the price of losing Single Market access to gain Global Market access (via the UK market) - it can get both at once - but if the whole UK joined the Single Market it would have to give up the Global Market access.
I might disagree with the Leaver argument on a couple of points - I don't think the trade will result in a net benefit to the UK, and I think there was potential to get the EU to strike similar trade deals to get access to both markets from within the EU - but to a certain extent that's a matter of judgement that involves making predictions about the future. It's not a matter of fact that can be settled one way or the other. So I can certainly see a logical basis for the Leaver argument.
The smart-alec response of, "Why can't we all enjoy the benefits of Single Market access like NI?" just don't do it for me.
TLDR: The Leaver argument was lose access to the EU single market in the hope of gaining access to a global market that the EU could just as easily gain access to anyway?
Bollocks was it. The Leaver argument was 'we don't like the EU because it's the source of all our ills'.
We will negotiate a new UK-EU deal based on free trade and friendly cooperation. We will carry on trading with Europe but we will also be able to negotiate trade agreements with other countries. This will help our economy grow and create more jobs.
You may want to dumb down the opposite side of a debate because it makes you feel superior, but it just shows ignorance if you can't understand what others are actually saying.
Leave offered lots of juicy temptations why to vote Leave, trade was just one of them. I stand by my assertion that they added up to: 'the EU is the source of all our ills'.
The reality has proven very different of course. Hence the continuing increase in people who think it was a bad idea.
"We'll be free to trade with the whole world" is literally quite prominently on the page you linked to. "We'll be free to seize new opportunities which means more jobs".
There's no honest way you can deny that the trade opportunities was a prominent part of the Leave campaign, its even there as one of the top reasons on the page you yourself chose to link to.
It may not have been the thing that attracted most Leave voters, but it was a significant part of the reason I switched from Remain to Leave during the referendum after Boris, Gove, @Richard_Tyndall and @Casino_Royale each separately and eloquently argued this point well.
Had the Faragist racists been the only ones who'd voted Leave then Cameron would have won the referendum handsomely as expected.
"A Forbes victory would effectively lead to a different government. Doesn't rule out, in time, income tax cuts. Gets that growth is key and that needs a more supportive business environment. Supports "radical" NHS Reform."
More than that, it would be a complete repudiation of Sturgeon's political strategy and her legacy - the progressive alliance with Greens.
It's interesting that neither John Swinney or Angus Robertson have officially endorsed a candidate yet. Suspect they may go full Tonto if it really looks as if Forbes is set to win.
Would any of the candidates really want an endorsement from Swinney or Robertson?
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
So son asks if NI can have access to the EU single market and the U.K market, why can’t the rest of the country.
It’s a hard one.
The Leaver argument was that choosing better access to global markets - the Australia trade deal, the trans-Pacific one, etc - was better than having access to the Single Market. Consequently, paying the price of leaving the Single market would still pay off net, because of the global market access.
Let's put to one side for the moment whether this is true or not, because that argument has been done to death, but if for the sake of argument we assume it is true, then the reason NI is in such a great position is that it doesn't have to pay the price of losing Single Market access to gain Global Market access (via the UK market) - it can get both at once - but if the whole UK joined the Single Market it would have to give up the Global Market access.
I might disagree with the Leaver argument on a couple of points - I don't think the trade will result in a net benefit to the UK, and I think there was potential to get the EU to strike similar trade deals to get access to both markets from within the EU - but to a certain extent that's a matter of judgement that involves making predictions about the future. It's not a matter of fact that can be settled one way or the other. So I can certainly see a logical basis for the Leaver argument.
The smart-alec response of, "Why can't we all enjoy the benefits of Single Market access like NI?" just don't do it for me.
TLDR: The Leaver argument was lose access to the EU single market in the hope of gaining access to a global market that the EU could just as easily gain access to anyway?
Bollocks was it. The Leaver argument was 'we don't like the EU because it's the source of all our ills'.
We will negotiate a new UK-EU deal based on free trade and friendly cooperation. We will carry on trading with Europe but we will also be able to negotiate trade agreements with other countries. This will help our economy grow and create more jobs.
You may want to dumb down the opposite side of a debate because it makes you feel superior, but it just shows ignorance if you can't understand what others are actually saying.
Leave offered lots of juicy temptations why to vote Leave, trade was just one of them. I stand by my assertion that they added up to: 'the EU is the source of all our ills'.
The reality has proven very different of course. Hence the continuing increase in people who think it was a bad idea.
"We'll be free to trade with the whole world" is literally quite prominently on the page you linked to. "We'll be free to seize new opportunities which means more jobs".
There's no honest way you can deny that the trade opportunities was a prominent part of the Leave campaign, its even there as one of the top reasons on the page you yourself chose to link to.
It may not have been the thing that attracted most Leave voters, but it was a significant part of the reason I switched from Remain to Leave during the referendum after Boris, Gove, @Richard_Tyndall and @Casino_Royale each separately and eloquently argued this point well.
Had the Faragist racists been the only ones who'd voted Leave then Cameron would have won the referendum handsomely as expected.
Having re-read the context of LostPassword's post I can see he was explaining Leave argument in respect of trade, not the whole Leave case, so I accept my post was wrong. Sorry.
You might want to check how well that Leave prediction is going though. I see it includes such lies as "Turkey is one of FIVE new countries joining the EU".
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
Yes, we would build a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle if Scotland ever voted for independence and to rejoin the EU.
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
So son asks if NI can have access to the EU single market and the U.K market, why can’t the rest of the country.
It’s a hard one.
The Leaver argument was that choosing better access to global markets - the Australia trade deal, the trans-Pacific one, etc - was better than having access to the Single Market. Consequently, paying the price of leaving the Single market would still pay off net, because of the global market access.
Let's put to one side for the moment whether this is true or not, because that argument has been done to death, but if for the sake of argument we assume it is true, then the reason NI is in such a great position is that it doesn't have to pay the price of losing Single Market access to gain Global Market access (via the UK market) - it can get both at once - but if the whole UK joined the Single Market it would have to give up the Global Market access.
I might disagree with the Leaver argument on a couple of points - I don't think the trade will result in a net benefit to the UK, and I think there was potential to get the EU to strike similar trade deals to get access to both markets from within the EU - but to a certain extent that's a matter of judgement that involves making predictions about the future. It's not a matter of fact that can be settled one way or the other. So I can certainly see a logical basis for the Leaver argument.
The smart-alec response of, "Why can't we all enjoy the benefits of Single Market access like NI?" just don't do it for me.
TLDR: The Leaver argument was lose access to the EU single market in the hope of gaining access to a global market that the EU could just as easily gain access to anyway?
Bollocks was it. The Leaver argument was 'we don't like the EU because it's the source of all our ills'.
We will negotiate a new UK-EU deal based on free trade and friendly cooperation. We will carry on trading with Europe but we will also be able to negotiate trade agreements with other countries. This will help our economy grow and create more jobs.
You may want to dumb down the opposite side of a debate because it makes you feel superior, but it just shows ignorance if you can't understand what others are actually saying.
Leave offered lots of juicy temptations why to vote Leave, trade was just one of them. I stand by my assertion that they added up to: 'the EU is the source of all our ills'.
The reality has proven very different of course. Hence the continuing increase in people who think it was a bad idea.
"We'll be free to trade with the whole world" is literally quite prominently on the page you linked to. "We'll be free to seize new opportunities which means more jobs".
There's no honest way you can deny that the trade opportunities was a prominent part of the Leave campaign, its even there as one of the top reasons on the page you yourself chose to link to.
It may not have been the thing that attracted most Leave voters, but it was a significant part of the reason I switched from Remain to Leave during the referendum after Boris, Gove, @Richard_Tyndall and @Casino_Royale each separately and eloquently argued this point well.
Had the Faragist racists been the only ones who'd voted Leave then Cameron would have won the referendum handsomely as expected.
Having re-read the context of LostPassword's post I can see he was explaining Leave argument in respect of trade, not the whole Leave case, so I accept my post was wrong. Sorry.
You might want to check how well that Leave prediction is going though. I see it includes such lies as "Turkey is one of FIVE new countries joining the EU".
Its not a lie, at the time of the referendum Turkey was an official accession nation for the EU. Its accession process was pulled after the military coup attempt and following repression. That happened after the referendum.
Not a single minister at Holyrood has, so far, backed Forbes. Yousaf has three cabinet secretaries and a number of junior ministers supporting him.
Notably, Ian Blackford, who represents the same patch of the Highlands as Kate, has declared for Humza.
I wonder if this will influence SNP members?
As we have repeatedly seen, and very recently too, leaders who lack the support of their parliamentary colleagues invariably come to grief sooner or later.
The sooner parties realise there's no real benefit to having the leader chosen by Members the better. Yes, Corbyn's surge saw Labour massively boost numbers, but it didn't help win an election, and the Tories haven't seen a surge since they started having members choose.
Cut them out, and if the only reason they were a party member was to have a vote for Leader are they that much of an asset? Members didn't used to care about it.
Unfortunately the SNP (read: Sturgeon and Murrell and their helpers) have subverted internal party democracy so badly that a vote on the leader is one of the few meaningful perks remaining of being a member now.
What were the other meaningful perks previously?
Asking as a fairly long term member.
We certainly didn't get a discount on Tunnock's wafers.
I enjoyed it. If even one person laughed the comedians job is done.
Went to a Sara Pascoe gig on Saturday.
She mentioned that she met Nigel Farage once and introduced herself: "Hi, I'm Sara Pascoe, I'm a comedian" to which Farage apparently replied "I don't find comedy funny".
He doesn't find comedy funny?
Like, none of it?
I'm feeling a strange rush of emotions. First bewilderment, confusion. Then a touch of disbelief, perhaps even anger. And then pity. Pity for Nigel Farage! What an empty, dull, life not to find comedy funny.
I have a fair idea of the sorts of things that people like Farage find funny that aren't comedy. I've met a few people like him.
Farage is quite funny.
As in, he's a bit strange.
He might find mirrors a bit awkward if he had a sense of humour.
For someone who would complain about admittedly rude comments at himself whilst attacking others in incredibly rude fashion that is a rather hypocritical comment and so not the powerful point he probably thinks it is.
Edit: Someone who is happy to give and receive rude comments could make the point far far better. Malcg for example, or Dura Ace, more than content to rough and ready debate, not ok with it in the abstract only as it applies to opponents.
Civility is not the be all and end all. JRM is usually civil but is still often quite rude in how he treats people. But let's be honest - that is not an sincere intellectual position being taken about people deserving rudeness (though it was pretty mild, let's also be honest about that).
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
Yes, we would build a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle if Scotland ever voted for independence and to rejoin the EU.
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
I for one would move to Scotland in that event (assuming they'd have me).
"A Forbes victory would effectively lead to a different government. Doesn't rule out, in time, income tax cuts. Gets that growth is key and that needs a more supportive business environment. Supports "radical" NHS Reform."
More than that, it would be a complete repudiation of Sturgeon's political strategy and her legacy - the progressive alliance with Greens.
It's interesting that neither John Swinney or Angus Robertson have officially endorsed a candidate yet. Suspect they may go full Tonto if it really looks as if Forbes is set to win.
Would any of the candidates really want an endorsement from Swinney or Robertson?
Robertson maybe a bit "meh", but John Swinney would surely carry some influence with SNP members? Been the Deputy FM for 8 years, after all. (And a former leader).
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
Yes, we would build a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle if Scotland ever voted for independence and to rejoin the EU.
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
You do talk codswallop about the Scottish border which I doubt you have ever travelled along
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
I thought Turkey's accession to the EU had been pulled, but actually its still listed on the EU's own webpage. Just above Ukraine which was recently announced to much fanfare.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
Yes, we would build a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle if Scotland ever voted for independence and to rejoin the EU.
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
You do talk codswallop about the Scottish border which I doubt you have ever travelled along
If Scotland ever voted to leave the UK and rejoin the EU, with England still outside the EU it would have to face the consequences.
Customs posts would be built along the Scottish border shortly after and yes I have travelled to Hadrian's Wall (though I am not suggesting we rebuild it and extend it further north if such an eventually arose!)
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
I think that is not true and you know it isn't true. I'm fairly confident you've mentioned both kingdoms ceased to be in the past. Have you ever heard the crown use the terms in that way?
Since it mentions GB and NI, and only then other realms, clearly Scotland and England are not included within 'other realms'.
Whereas it has pleased Almighty God to call to His Mercy our late Sovereign Lady Queen Elizabeth the Second of Blessed and Glorious Memory, by whose Decease the Crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is solely and rightfully come to The Prince Charles Philip Arthur George: We, therefore, the Lords Spiritual and Temporal of this Realm and Members of the House of Commons, together with other members of Her late Majesty’s Privy Council and representatives of the Realms and Territories, Aldermen and Citizens of London, and others, do now hereby with one voice and Consent of Tongue and Heart publish and proclaim that The Prince Charles Philip Arthur George is now, by the Death of our late Sovereign of Happy Memory, become our only lawful and rightful Liege Lord Charles the Third, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories, King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith, to whom we do acknowledge all Faith and Obedience with humble Affection; beseeching God by whom Kings and Queens do reign to bless His Majesty with long and happy Years to reign over us.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
Yes, we would build a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle if Scotland ever voted for independence and to rejoin the EU.
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
You do talk codswallop about the Scottish border which I doubt you have ever travelled along
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The fact that the monarch of the two kingdoms is the same person does not mean that Crown Estate Scotland waters are not Scottish waters.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The fact that the monarch of the two kingdoms is the same person does not mean that Crown Estate Scotland waters are not Scottish waters.
They are UK waters, patrolled by the Royal Navy and with entry from them to land controlled by the UK border force
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
Yes, we would build a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle if Scotland ever voted for independence and to rejoin the EU.
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
You do talk codswallop about the Scottish border which I doubt you have ever travelled along
If Scotland ever voted to leave the UK and rejoin the EU, with England still outside the EU it would have to face the consequences.
Customs posts would be built along the Scottish border shortly after and yes I have travelled to Hadrian's Wall (though I am not yet suggesting we rebuild it and extend it further north if such am eventually arose!)
You demonstrate your utter lack of knowledge of the Scottish border if you think Hadrians wall is even near it
When I was 14 I led a team of canoeists down the Tweed from Peebles to Berwick and in the main the border is the middle of the river but at Chainbridge it diverts away from the river to 3 miles North of Berwick
Hadrrians wall is approx 6o miles south of Berwick
This “hard border in the North Sea but not in the Irish Sea” has all the hallmarks of the PB Brit Nat classic “hard border on the Tweed but not on the Foyle”.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The Kingdoms of England and Scotland haven't existed for hundreds of years.
For someone who claims to be a royalist, you certainly don't know much about the monarchy.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The fact that the monarch of the two kingdoms is the same person does not mean that Crown Estate Scotland waters are not Scottish waters.
He is also king of Canada, thus the ice caps in northern Quebec are presumably also jurisdiction of Westminster?
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
Yes, we would build a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle if Scotland ever voted for independence and to rejoin the EU.
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
You do talk codswallop about the Scottish border which I doubt you have ever travelled along
If Scotland ever voted to leave the UK and rejoin the EU, with England still outside the EU it would have to face the consequences.
Customs posts would be built along the Scottish border shortly after and yes I have travelled to Hadrian's Wall (though I am not yet suggesting we rebuild it and extend it further north if such am eventually arose!)
You demonstrate your utter lack of knowledge of the Scottish border if you think Hadrians wall is even near it
When I was 14 I led a team of canoeists down the Tweed from Peebles to Berwick and in the main the border is the middle of the river but at Chainbridge it diverts away from the river to 3 miles North of Berwick
Hadrrians wall is approx 6o miles south of Berwick
Hadrians wall was built by the Romans to keep out unconquered Caledonia
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
Yes, we would build a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle if Scotland ever voted for independence and to rejoin the EU.
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
You do talk codswallop about the Scottish border which I doubt you have ever travelled along
If Scotland ever voted to leave the UK and rejoin the EU, with England still outside the EU it would have to face the consequences.
Customs posts would be built along the Scottish border shortly after and yes I have travelled to Hadrian's Wall (though I am not yet suggesting we rebuild it and extend it further north if such am eventually arose!)
You demonstrate your utter lack of knowledge of the Scottish border if you think Hadrians wall is even near it
When I was 14 I led a team of canoeists down the Tweed from Peebles to Berwick and in the main the border is the middle of the river but at Chainbridge it diverts away from the river to 3 miles North of Berwick
Hadrrians wall is approx 6o miles south of Berwick
Hadrians wall was built by the Romans to keep out unoccupied Caledonia
Flamingos can only eat with their heads upside down
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
Yes, we would build a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle if Scotland ever voted for independence and to rejoin the EU.
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
You do talk codswallop about the Scottish border which I doubt you have ever travelled along
If Scotland ever voted to leave the UK and rejoin the EU, with England still outside the EU it would have to face the consequences.
Customs posts would be built along the Scottish border shortly after and yes I have travelled to Hadrian's Wall (though I am not yet suggesting we rebuild it and extend it further north if such am eventually arose!)
You demonstrate your utter lack of knowledge of the Scottish border if you think Hadrians wall is even near it
When I was 14 I led a team of canoeists down the Tweed from Peebles to Berwick and in the main the border is the middle of the river but at Chainbridge it diverts away from the river to 3 miles North of Berwick
Hadrrians wall is approx 6o miles south of Berwick
Hadrians wall was built by the Romans to keep out unconquered Caledonia
What has that to do with the present Scottish border
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The fact that the monarch of the two kingdoms is the same person does not mean that Crown Estate Scotland waters are not Scottish waters.
He is also king of Canada, thus the ice caps in northern Quebec are presumably also jurisdiction of Westminster?
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The fact that the monarch of the two kingdoms is the same person does not mean that Crown Estate Scotland waters are not Scottish waters.
He is also king of Canada, thus the ice caps in northern Quebec are presumably also jurisdiction of Westminster?
Not to mention that the Scottish Government runs the Crown Estate in Scotland.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
Yes, we would build a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle if Scotland ever voted for independence and to rejoin the EU.
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
You do talk codswallop about the Scottish border which I doubt you have ever travelled along
If Scotland ever voted to leave the UK and rejoin the EU, with England still outside the EU it would have to face the consequences.
Customs posts would be built along the Scottish border shortly after and yes I have travelled to Hadrian's Wall (though I am not yet suggesting we rebuild it and extend it further north if such am eventually arose!)
You demonstrate your utter lack of knowledge of the Scottish border if you think Hadrians wall is even near it
When I was 14 I led a team of canoeists down the Tweed from Peebles to Berwick and in the main the border is the middle of the river but at Chainbridge it diverts away from the river to 3 miles North of Berwick
Hadrrians wall is approx 6o miles south of Berwick
Hadrians wall was built by the Romans to keep out unoccupied Caledonia
Flamingos can only eat with their heads upside down
Huh. I just had a quick look at some old holiday pics and you're right!
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The Kingdoms of England and Scotland haven't existed for hundreds of years.
For someone who claims to be a royalist, you certainly don't know much about the monarchy.
They do within the United Kingdom, hence the title.
This “hard border in the North Sea but not in the Irish Sea” has all the hallmarks of the PB Brit Nat classic “hard border on the Tweed but not on the Foyle”.
There is no hard border between Scotland and England nor between GB and NI after this Deal either.
The only difference in Ireland is the UK government has not imposed a hard border and customs posts at the UK and Republic of Ireland border
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
Yes, we would build a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle if Scotland ever voted for independence and to rejoin the EU.
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
You do talk codswallop about the Scottish border which I doubt you have ever travelled along
If Scotland ever voted to leave the UK and rejoin the EU, with England still outside the EU it would have to face the consequences.
Customs posts would be built along the Scottish border shortly after and yes I have travelled to Hadrian's Wall (though I am not yet suggesting we rebuild it and extend it further north if such am eventually arose!)
You demonstrate your utter lack of knowledge of the Scottish border if you think Hadrians wall is even near it
When I was 14 I led a team of canoeists down the Tweed from Peebles to Berwick and in the main the border is the middle of the river but at Chainbridge it diverts away from the river to 3 miles North of Berwick
Hadrrians wall is approx 6o miles south of Berwick
It's 20 miles south of here. And I don't even live in North Northumberland. Though am north of Dumfries.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The fact that the monarch of the two kingdoms is the same person does not mean that Crown Estate Scotland waters are not Scottish waters.
He is also king of Canada, thus the ice caps in northern Quebec are presumably also jurisdiction of Westminster?
Crown land in Canada also belongs to the Crown
Crown lands in England don't belong to the Crown in the sense that you think it does, and this can be best established by considering the fact that Crown lands in Canada are actually owned by the Provincial governments. And the same is true in England - Crown lands belong to the State, not the person who wears the crown.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The fact that the monarch of the two kingdoms is the same person does not mean that Crown Estate Scotland waters are not Scottish waters.
They are UK waters, patrolled by the Royal Navy and with entry from them to land controlled by the UK border force
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The fact that the monarch of the two kingdoms is the same person does not mean that Crown Estate Scotland waters are not Scottish waters.
He is also king of Canada, thus the ice caps in northern Quebec are presumably also jurisdiction of Westminster?
Crown land in Canada also belongs to the Crown
Crown lands in England don't belong to the Crown in the sense that you think it does, and this can be best established by considering the fact that Crown lands in Canada are actually owned by the Provincial governments. And the same is true in England - Crown lands belong to the State, not the person who wears the crown.
It belongs to the Crown of which the Monarch is head.
The PMs of Canada and the UK are only chief ministers of the King, it is still the King's government in both Canada and the UK
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The Kingdoms of England and Scotland haven't existed for hundreds of years.
For someone who claims to be a royalist, you certainly don't know much about the monarchy.
They do within the United Kingdom, hence the title.
The title?
His Majesty Charles the Third, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
He's the King of the the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and His other Realms and Territories. No title King of England, since the Kingdom of England was abolished centuries ago.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
Yes, we would build a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle if Scotland ever voted for independence and to rejoin the EU.
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
You do talk codswallop about the Scottish border which I doubt you have ever travelled along
If Scotland ever voted to leave the UK and rejoin the EU, with England still outside the EU it would have to face the consequences.
Customs posts would be built along the Scottish border shortly after and yes I have travelled to Hadrian's Wall (though I am not yet suggesting we rebuild it and extend it further north if such am eventually arose!)
You demonstrate your utter lack of knowledge of the Scottish border if you think Hadrians wall is even near it
When I was 14 I led a team of canoeists down the Tweed from Peebles to Berwick and in the main the border is the middle of the river but at Chainbridge it diverts away from the river to 3 miles North of Berwick
Hadrrians wall is approx 6o miles south of Berwick
Hadrians wall was built by the Romans to keep out unoccupied Caledonia
Flamingos can only eat with their heads upside down
Cleopatra lived closer to the present day than to when the Great Pyramid was built.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The Kingdoms of England and Scotland haven't existed for hundreds of years.
For someone who claims to be a royalist, you certainly don't know much about the monarchy.
They do within the United Kingdom, hence the title.
The title?
His Majesty Charles the Third, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
He's the King of the the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and His other Realms and Territories. No title King of England, since the Kingdom of England was abolished centuries ago.
The United Kingdom only exists as it unites the Kingdoms of England and the Kingdoms of Scotland and the King is head of state of both
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The fact that the monarch of the two kingdoms is the same person does not mean that Crown Estate Scotland waters are not Scottish waters.
He is also king of Canada, thus the ice caps in northern Quebec are presumably also jurisdiction of Westminster?
Crown land in Canada also belongs to the Crown
Crown lands in England don't belong to the Crown in the sense that you think it does, and this can be best established by considering the fact that Crown lands in Canada are actually owned by the Provincial governments. And the same is true in England - Crown lands belong to the State, not the person who wears the crown.
It belongs to the Crown of which the Monarch is head
It belongs to the Crown as in the country, of which the Monarch is head. It is not the personal property of the Monarch. If we were to become a republic Crown lands would remain belonging with the nation not the house of Windsor since its not personal property and never has been.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
Yes, we would build a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle if Scotland ever voted for independence and to rejoin the EU.
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
You do talk codswallop about the Scottish border which I doubt you have ever travelled along
If Scotland ever voted to leave the UK and rejoin the EU, with England still outside the EU it would have to face the consequences.
Customs posts would be built along the Scottish border shortly after and yes I have travelled to Hadrian's Wall (though I am not yet suggesting we rebuild it and extend it further north if such am eventually arose!)
You demonstrate your utter lack of knowledge of the Scottish border if you think Hadrians wall is even near it
When I was 14 I led a team of canoeists down the Tweed from Peebles to Berwick and in the main the border is the middle of the river but at Chainbridge it diverts away from the river to 3 miles North of Berwick
Hadrrians wall is approx 6o miles south of Berwick
Hadrians wall was built by the Romans to keep out unconquered Caledonia
The Romans carved lots of willies on the Wall. Which is about as relevant to modern times as your comment.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The fact that the monarch of the two kingdoms is the same person does not mean that Crown Estate Scotland waters are not Scottish waters.
He is also king of Canada, thus the ice caps in northern Quebec are presumably also jurisdiction of Westminster?
Crown land in Canada also belongs to the Crown
Crown lands in England don't belong to the Crown in the sense that you think it does, and this can be best established by considering the fact that Crown lands in Canada are actually owned by the Provincial governments. And the same is true in England - Crown lands belong to the State, not the person who wears the crown.
It belongs to the Crown of which the Monarch is head
The Monarch can't choose to sell any of it, though. They hold no authority over it. They gave the land up to the State in return for some pocket money.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The Kingdoms of England and Scotland haven't existed for hundreds of years.
For someone who claims to be a royalist, you certainly don't know much about the monarchy.
They do within the United Kingdom, hence the title.
The title?
His Majesty Charles the Third, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
He's the King of the the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and His other Realms and Territories. No title King of England, since the Kingdom of England was abolished centuries ago.
The United Kingdom only exists as it unites the Kingdoms of England and the Kingdoms of Scotland and the King is head of state of both
Bit of a howler of an omission there. "The United Kingdom only exists as it unites the Kingdoms of England and the Kingdoms of Scotland."
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The fact that the monarch of the two kingdoms is the same person does not mean that Crown Estate Scotland waters are not Scottish waters.
They are UK waters, patrolled by the Royal Navy and with entry from them to land controlled by the UK border force
Patrolled by a Scottish Government fleet.
No there is no Scottish government fleet, only the Royal Navy of the UK
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The Kingdoms of England and Scotland haven't existed for hundreds of years.
For someone who claims to be a royalist, you certainly don't know much about the monarchy.
They do within the United Kingdom, hence the title.
The title?
His Majesty Charles the Third, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
He's the King of the the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and His other Realms and Territories. No title King of England, since the Kingdom of England was abolished centuries ago.
The United Kingdom only exists as it unites the Kingdoms of England and the Kingdoms of Scotland and the King is head of state of both
The Kingdom of England hasn't existed for more than three centuries. The Kingdom of Great Britain replaced it.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
Yes, we would build a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle if Scotland ever voted for independence and to rejoin the EU.
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
You do talk codswallop about the Scottish border which I doubt you have ever travelled along
If Scotland ever voted to leave the UK and rejoin the EU, with England still outside the EU it would have to face the consequences.
Customs posts would be built along the Scottish border shortly after and yes I have travelled to Hadrian's Wall (though I am not yet suggesting we rebuild it and extend it further north if such am eventually arose!)
You demonstrate your utter lack of knowledge of the Scottish border if you think Hadrians wall is even near it
When I was 14 I led a team of canoeists down the Tweed from Peebles to Berwick and in the main the border is the middle of the river but at Chainbridge it diverts away from the river to 3 miles North of Berwick
Hadrrians wall is approx 6o miles south of Berwick
Hadrians wall was built by the Romans to keep out unoccupied Caledonia
Flamingos can only eat with their heads upside down
Cleopatra lived closer to the present day than to when the Great Pyramid was built.
Paddy fields are flooded, not because the rice requires it, but becuase it will tolerate it, and doing so keeps the weeds down.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The Kingdoms of England and Scotland haven't existed for hundreds of years.
For someone who claims to be a royalist, you certainly don't know much about the monarchy.
They do within the United Kingdom, hence the title.
The title?
His Majesty Charles the Third, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
He's the King of the the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and His other Realms and Territories. No title King of England, since the Kingdom of England was abolished centuries ago.
The United Kingdom only exists as it unites the Kingdoms of England and the Kingdoms of Scotland and the King is head of state of both
Bit of a howler of an omission there. "The United Kingdom only exists as it unites the Kingdoms of England and the Kingdoms of Scotland."
Unless you are stuck in a pre-1800 mindset.
Did you really study history?
There is no Kingdom of Northern Ireland only a province within the UK, the Kingdom of Ireland ended in 1948
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
Yes, we would build a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle if Scotland ever voted for independence and to rejoin the EU.
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
You do talk codswallop about the Scottish border which I doubt you have ever travelled along
If Scotland ever voted to leave the UK and rejoin the EU, with England still outside the EU it would have to face the consequences.
Customs posts would be built along the Scottish border shortly after and yes I have travelled to Hadrian's Wall (though I am not yet suggesting we rebuild it and extend it further north if such am eventually arose!)
You demonstrate your utter lack of knowledge of the Scottish border if you think Hadrians wall is even near it
When I was 14 I led a team of canoeists down the Tweed from Peebles to Berwick and in the main the border is the middle of the river but at Chainbridge it diverts away from the river to 3 miles North of Berwick
Hadrrians wall is approx 6o miles south of Berwick
It's 20 miles south of here. And I don't even live in North Northumberland. Though am north of Dumfries.
Yes - you and I know the geography which clearly @HYUFD does not
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The Kingdoms of England and Scotland haven't existed for hundreds of years.
For someone who claims to be a royalist, you certainly don't know much about the monarchy.
They do within the United Kingdom, hence the title.
The title?
His Majesty Charles the Third, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
He's the King of the the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and His other Realms and Territories. No title King of England, since the Kingdom of England was abolished centuries ago.
The United Kingdom only exists as it unites the Kingdoms of England and the Kingdoms of Scotland and the King is head of state of both
The Kingdom of England hasn't existed for more than three centuries. The Kingdom of Great Britain replaced it.
That's right, it's The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The fact that the monarch of the two kingdoms is the same person does not mean that Crown Estate Scotland waters are not Scottish waters.
He is also king of Canada, thus the ice caps in northern Quebec are presumably also jurisdiction of Westminster?
Crown land in Canada also belongs to the Crown
Crown lands in England don't belong to the Crown in the sense that you think it does, and this can be best established by considering the fact that Crown lands in Canada are actually owned by the Provincial governments. And the same is true in England - Crown lands belong to the State, not the person who wears the crown.
It belongs to the Crown of which the Monarch is head
The Monarch can't choose to sell any of it, though. They hold no authority over it. They gave the land up to the State in return for some pocket money.
From the Crown Estates own website.
Who owns The Crown Estate? The Crown Estate belongs to the reigning monarch 'in right of The Crown', that is, it is owned by the monarch for the duration of their reign, by virtue of their accession to the throne. But it is not the private property of the monarch - it cannot be sold by the monarch, nor do revenues from it belong to the monarch.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The Kingdoms of England and Scotland haven't existed for hundreds of years.
For someone who claims to be a royalist, you certainly don't know much about the monarchy.
They do within the United Kingdom, hence the title.
The title?
His Majesty Charles the Third, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
He's the King of the the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and His other Realms and Territories. No title King of England, since the Kingdom of England was abolished centuries ago.
The United Kingdom only exists as it unites the Kingdoms of England and the Kingdoms of Scotland and the King is head of state of both
Bit of a howler of an omission there. "The United Kingdom only exists as it unites the Kingdoms of England and the Kingdoms of Scotland."
Unless you are stuck in a pre-1800 mindset.
Did you really study history?
There is no Kingdom of Northern Ireland only a province within the UK, the Kingdom of Ireland ended in 1948
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The fact that the monarch of the two kingdoms is the same person does not mean that Crown Estate Scotland waters are not Scottish waters.
He is also king of Canada, thus the ice caps in northern Quebec are presumably also jurisdiction of Westminster?
Crown land in Canada also belongs to the Crown
Crown lands in England don't belong to the Crown in the sense that you think it does, and this can be best established by considering the fact that Crown lands in Canada are actually owned by the Provincial governments. And the same is true in England - Crown lands belong to the State, not the person who wears the crown.
It belongs to the Crown of which the Monarch is head
It belongs to the Crown as in the country, of which the Monarch is head. It is not the personal property of the Monarch. If we were to become a republic Crown lands would remain belonging with the nation not the house of Windsor since its not personal property and never has been.
It belongs to the Crown and the government is the King's government.
We aren't a republic, Crown lands do not belong to the public
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
You can have a red lane and a green lane somewhere that has no border??
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
Yes, we would build a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle if Scotland ever voted for independence and to rejoin the EU.
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
You do talk codswallop about the Scottish border which I doubt you have ever travelled along
If Scotland ever voted to leave the UK and rejoin the EU, with England still outside the EU it would have to face the consequences.
Customs posts would be built along the Scottish border shortly after and yes I have travelled to Hadrian's Wall (though I am not yet suggesting we rebuild it and extend it further north if such am eventually arose!)
You demonstrate your utter lack of knowledge of the Scottish border if you think Hadrians wall is even near it
When I was 14 I led a team of canoeists down the Tweed from Peebles to Berwick and in the main the border is the middle of the river but at Chainbridge it diverts away from the river to 3 miles North of Berwick
Hadrrians wall is approx 6o miles south of Berwick
Hadrians wall was built by the Romans to keep out unoccupied Caledonia
Flamingos can only eat with their heads upside down
Cleopatra lived closer to the present day than to when the Great Pyramid was built.
Paddy fields are flooded, not because the rice requires it, but becuase it will tolerate it, and doing so keeps the weeds down.
George Washington was unaware of the concept of dinosaurs.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The Kingdoms of England and Scotland haven't existed for hundreds of years.
For someone who claims to be a royalist, you certainly don't know much about the monarchy.
They do within the United Kingdom, hence the title.
The title?
His Majesty Charles the Third, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
He's the King of the the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and His other Realms and Territories. No title King of England, since the Kingdom of England was abolished centuries ago.
The United Kingdom only exists as it unites the Kingdoms of England and the Kingdoms of Scotland and the King is head of state of both
This is not true. Following the Act of Union between England and Scotland the Kingdom of Great Britain was created. The country only became the United Kingdom, following the Act of Union with Ireland, in 1803.
Quite why there was this difference between the two Acts of Union I don't really know, but there you have it.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The fact that the monarch of the two kingdoms is the same person does not mean that Crown Estate Scotland waters are not Scottish waters.
He is also king of Canada, thus the ice caps in northern Quebec are presumably also jurisdiction of Westminster?
Crown land in Canada also belongs to the Crown
Crown lands in England don't belong to the Crown in the sense that you think it does, and this can be best established by considering the fact that Crown lands in Canada are actually owned by the Provincial governments. And the same is true in England - Crown lands belong to the State, not the person who wears the crown.
It belongs to the Crown of which the Monarch is head
The Monarch can't choose to sell any of it, though. They hold no authority over it. They gave the land up to the State in return for some pocket money.
From the Crown Estates own website.
Who owns The Crown Estate? The Crown Estate belongs to the reigning monarch 'in right of The Crown', that is, it is owned by the monarch for the duration of their reign, by virtue of their accession to the throne. But it is not the private property of the monarch - it cannot be sold by the monarch, nor do revenues from it belong to the monarch.
It belongs to the monarch as sovereign yes.
For example Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle belong to the King as sovereign, while Sandringham, Balmoral and Highgrove are his private property
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The Kingdoms of England and Scotland haven't existed for hundreds of years.
For someone who claims to be a royalist, you certainly don't know much about the monarchy.
They do within the United Kingdom, hence the title.
The title?
His Majesty Charles the Third, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
He's the King of the the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and His other Realms and Territories. No title King of England, since the Kingdom of England was abolished centuries ago.
The United Kingdom only exists as it unites the Kingdoms of England and the Kingdoms of Scotland and the King is head of state of both
Bit of a howler of an omission there. "The United Kingdom only exists as it unites the Kingdoms of England and the Kingdoms of Scotland."
Unless you are stuck in a pre-1800 mindset.
Did you really study history?
There is no Kingdom of Northern Ireland only a province within the UK, the Kingdom of Ireland ended in 1948
"United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" is where we are at.
Your definition of the UK only has England and Scotland.
This “hard border in the North Sea but not in the Irish Sea” has all the hallmarks of the PB Brit Nat classic “hard border on the Tweed but not on the Foyle”.
There is no hard border between Scotland and England nor between GB and NI after this Deal either.
The only difference in Ireland is the UK government has not imposed a hard border and customs posts at the UK and Republic of Ireland border
Indeed, nor patrol boats on the Foyle at Strabane, which rather makes a mockery of your claim that armed guards would be defending the south bank of the Tweed were Scotland to become independent.
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
But you are always talking about Scotland's borders in the eventualuty it becomes independent - rabbiting on about hard borders. And Scotland would most certainly have sea borders of all its own. Like the one which *still exists* between GB and NI.
Yes, we would build a hard border from Berwick to Carlisle if Scotland ever voted for independence and to rejoin the EU.
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
You do talk codswallop about the Scottish border which I doubt you have ever travelled along
If Scotland ever voted to leave the UK and rejoin the EU, with England still outside the EU it would have to face the consequences.
Customs posts would be built along the Scottish border shortly after and yes I have travelled to Hadrian's Wall (though I am not yet suggesting we rebuild it and extend it further north if such am eventually arose!)
You demonstrate your utter lack of knowledge of the Scottish border if you think Hadrians wall is even near it
When I was 14 I led a team of canoeists down the Tweed from Peebles to Berwick and in the main the border is the middle of the river but at Chainbridge it diverts away from the river to 3 miles North of Berwick
Hadrrians wall is approx 6o miles south of Berwick
Hadrians wall was built by the Romans to keep out unoccupied Caledonia
Flamingos can only eat with their heads upside down
Cleopatra lived closer to the present day than to when the Great Pyramid was built.
Paddy fields are flooded, not because the rice requires it, but becuase it will tolerate it, and doing so keeps the weeds down.
George Washington was unaware of the concept of dinosaurs.
But Thomas Jefferson liked collecting mastodons. Edit: and live human beings too.
This “hard border in the North Sea but not in the Irish Sea” has all the hallmarks of the PB Brit Nat classic “hard border on the Tweed but not on the Foyle”.
There is no hard border between Scotland and England nor between GB and NI after this Deal either.
The only difference in Ireland is the UK government has not imposed a hard border and customs posts at the UK and Republic of Ireland border
Indeed, nor patrol boats on the Foyle at Strabane, which rather makes a mockery of your claim that armed guards would be defending the south bank of the Tweed were Scotland to become independent.
But, we have been here before.
Only because of the GFA. If there was a United Ireland there would certainly be patrol boats in the Irish Sea
London voted Remain and has more people than Scotland and also left the EU and single market with the rest of GB, so what? What next? Special Deals for Remain voting Cheltenham, Oxford, Cambridge, Maidenhead and Tunbridge Wells and Godalming too?
Northern Ireland also has a border with an EU nation and the GFA to uphold, neither scenario applies to Scotland
Scotland has a border with several EU nations. It's called the North Sea.
Political discourse has been all about the Irish Sea Border for years - including you most recently, this very day.
Same logic applies ...
No Scotland has a border with British waters, as does the rest of GB
Not true. No such thing as GB waters. Only UK or Scottish, depending on the context (e.g. fisheries or defence|), at least up here (not sure about Isle of Man etc in rUK).
UK waters then but definitely no border with another EU nation.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
Funny then that the Scottish Government administers the waters around Scotland. Looks awfully like borders with the Faroes, Norway, and perhaps Denmark.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
They are UK waters not Scottish government waters. None of the seas bordering the land of Scotland belongs to any other nation than the UK.
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
Sorry, but The Crown Estate only covers waters off England, Wales and NI. Crown Estate Scotland is a separate body with custody of Scottish waters.
The King of Scotland is also King of the UK and King Charles III owns Crown Estate Scotland in right of the Crown. Holyrood doesn't own it
There isn't a King of Scotland.
There is, King Charles III is King of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland within the UK.
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
The Kingdoms of England and Scotland haven't existed for hundreds of years.
For someone who claims to be a royalist, you certainly don't know much about the monarchy.
They do within the United Kingdom, hence the title.
The title?
His Majesty Charles the Third, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
He's the King of the the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and His other Realms and Territories. No title King of England, since the Kingdom of England was abolished centuries ago.
The United Kingdom only exists as it unites the Kingdoms of England and the Kingdoms of Scotland and the King is head of state of both
Bit of a howler of an omission there. "The United Kingdom only exists as it unites the Kingdoms of England and the Kingdoms of Scotland."
Unless you are stuck in a pre-1800 mindset.
Did you really study history?
There is no Kingdom of Northern Ireland only a province within the UK, the Kingdom of Ireland ended in 1948
"United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" is where we are at.
Your definition of the UK only has England and Scotland.
Not correct.
Only England and Scotland are Kingdoms within the UK.
Wales is part of the Kingdom of England and Northern Ireland only a province within the UK
This “hard border in the North Sea but not in the Irish Sea” has all the hallmarks of the PB Brit Nat classic “hard border on the Tweed but not on the Foyle”.
There is no hard border between Scotland and England nor between GB and NI after this Deal either.
The only difference in Ireland is the UK government has not imposed a hard border and customs posts at the UK and Republic of Ireland border
Indeed, nor patrol boats on the Foyle at Strabane, which rather makes a mockery of your claim that armed guards would be defending the south bank of the Tweed were Scotland to become independent.
But, we have been here before.
And the south bank of the Tweed at Berwick is 3 miles inside England
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Transition to Nordic style democracy including PR.
Rejoin the single market.
Profit.
Walsall pupils stranded after hotel 'shreds 41 passports'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-64791855
https://twitter.com/ianssmart/status/1630635074994487299
"A Forbes victory would effectively lead to a different government. Doesn't rule out, in time, income tax cuts. Gets that growth is key and that needs a more supportive business environment. Supports "radical" NHS Reform."
More than that, it would be a complete repudiation of Sturgeon's political strategy and her legacy - the progressive alliance with Greens.
It's interesting that neither John Swinney or Angus Robertson have officially endorsed a candidate yet. Suspect they may go full Tonto if it really looks as if Forbes is set to win.
Plus he may not have any solutions to boat people and the woke.
As in, he's a bit strange.
Scotland's only border is with England, a land border within the UK
http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave.html
The reality has proven very different of course. Hence the continuing increase in people who think it was a bad idea.
In any case, there are these things called "aeroplanes" which Messrs Wright discovered and which I have travelled on from Edinburgh, at a wee village called Turnhouse, to an "aerodrome" in the United States, and I had to show a passport at both ends, at things called "border controls".
And why do you keep harping on about the Irish Sea Border, anyway, if sea borders don't exist?
There's no honest way you can deny that the trade opportunities was a prominent part of the Leave campaign, its even there as one of the top reasons on the page you yourself chose to link to.
It may not have been the thing that attracted most Leave voters, but it was a significant part of the reason I switched from Remain to Leave during the referendum after Boris, Gove, @Richard_Tyndall and @Casino_Royale each separately and eloquently argued this point well.
Had the Faragist racists been the only ones who'd voted Leave then Cameron would have won the referendum handsomely as expected.
If it's in the Times, then Mr J has got about as much chance of regaining his rightful throne as James VIII.
Prince Andrew 'is so stupid, so conceded, so arrogant' he will never learn to 'shut up'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwHSrVv4064
Honestly, civility can be overrated.
https://twitter.com/alastairmeeks/status/1630663679988342818?s=46
Yes, you need a passport to travel to any nation outside the British Isles, so what?
The Irish Sea border had now been eliminated effectively by the new green lanes on goods travelling between GB and NI as part of Sunak’s Deal with the EU this week
No change in the Conservative vote, but a slight dip in Labour.
Let's see what this week brings following the unknotting of the NI protocol.
You might want to check how well that Leave prediction is going though. I see it includes such lies as "Turkey is one of FIVE new countries joining the EU".
Just as we would restore the sea border in the Irish Sea between GB and Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland ever voted for a United Ireland. Only the fact Northern Ireland remains in the UK has enabled the Irish Sea border to be removed
Edit:
Someone who is happy to give and receive rude comments could make the point far far better. Malcg for example, or Dura Ace, more than content to rough and ready debate, not ok with it in the abstract only as it applies to opponents.
Civility is not the be all and end all. JRM is usually civil but is still often quite rude in how he treats people. But let's be honest - that is not an sincere intellectual position being taken about people deserving rudeness (though it was pretty mild, let's also be honest about that).
On the Joining EU page: https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/joining-eu_en ... "Türkiye"
Customs posts would be built along the Scottish border shortly after and yes I have travelled to Hadrian's Wall (though I am not suggesting we rebuild it and extend it further north if such an eventually arose!)
Plus the UK government is responsible for all border patrols and national security in UK waters
Since it mentions GB and NI, and only then other realms, clearly Scotland and England are not included within 'other realms'.
Whereas it has pleased Almighty
God to call to His Mercy our late
Sovereign Lady Queen Elizabeth
the Second of Blessed and Glorious
Memory, by whose Decease the
Crown of the United Kingdom of
Great Britain and Northern Ireland
is solely and rightfully come to The
Prince Charles Philip Arthur George:
We, therefore, the Lords Spiritual
and Temporal of this Realm and
Members of the House of Commons,
together with other members of Her
late Majesty’s Privy Council and
representatives of the Realms and
Territories, Aldermen and Citizens
of London, and others, do now
hereby with one voice and Consent
of Tongue and Heart publish and
proclaim that The Prince Charles
Philip Arthur George is now, by the
Death of our late Sovereign of Happy
Memory, become our only lawful
and rightful Liege Lord Charles the
Third, by the Grace of God of the
United Kingdom of Great Britain and
Northern Ireland and of His other
Realms and Territories, King, Head of
the Commonwealth, Defender of the
Faith, to whom we do acknowledge
all Faith and Obedience with humble
Affection; beseeching God by whom
Kings and Queens do reign to bless
His Majesty with long and happy
Years to reign over us.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/63812/supplement/2
So you're just having some fun.
Try arguing how they used to argue about King in Prussia versus King of Prussia, that's more interesting.
When I was 14 I led a team of canoeists down the Tweed from Peebles to Berwick and in the main the border is the middle of the river but at Chainbridge it diverts away from the river to 3 miles North of Berwick
Hadrrians wall is approx 6o miles south of Berwick
For someone who claims to be a royalist, you certainly don't know much about the monarchy.
https://twitter.com/TmorrowsPapers/status/1630693944043479040?t=CWAQH9H0bIDLaq9Necn4sg&s=19
I would suggest you stop being silly
Polls close at 7pm CST = 1am UK
Incumbent Mayor Lori Lightfoot is in tough re-election battle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Chicago_mayoral_election
For results see official Chicago Board of Elections website:
https://chicagoelections.gov/en/election-results.html
https://www.lucidtalk.co.uk/news
The last poll was at the end of January.
The only difference in Ireland is the UK government has not imposed a hard border and customs posts at the UK and Republic of Ireland border
And I don't even live in North Northumberland.
Though am north of Dumfries.
The PMs of Canada and the UK are only chief ministers of the King, it is still the King's government in both Canada and the UK
His Majesty Charles the Third, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of His other Realms and Territories King, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith
He's the King of the the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and His other Realms and Territories. No title King of England, since the Kingdom of England was abolished centuries ago.
Rare for him to be concerned about looking silly !!!!
Unless you are stuck in a pre-1800 mindset.
Did you really study history?
Who owns The Crown Estate?
The Crown Estate belongs to the reigning monarch 'in right of The Crown', that is, it is owned by the monarch for the duration of their reign, by virtue of their accession to the throne. But it is not the private property of the monarch - it cannot be sold by the monarch, nor do revenues from it belong to the monarch.
We aren't a republic, Crown lands do not belong to the public
Quite why there was this difference between the two Acts of Union I don't really know, but there you have it.
For example Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle belong to the King as sovereign, while Sandringham, Balmoral and Highgrove are his private property
Your definition of the UK only has England and Scotland.
Not correct.
independent.
But, we have been here before.
Wales is part of the Kingdom of England and Northern Ireland only a province within the UK