Kate Forbes moves to SNP leadership favourite – politicalbetting.com
Kate Forbes moves to SNP leadership favourite – politicalbetting.com
This was her Tweeting and video announcing her move.
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As if by magic, a new thread appeared.0
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OMG she is SKS in a skirt0
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Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her1
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Well, Mr Corbyn didn't cover himself in glory in Scotland as I recall. Demanding that water be nationalised and so on.bigjohnowls said:OMG she is SKS in a skirt
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Ah, left wing misogyny. JC fan please explain?bigjohnowls said:OMG she is SKS in a skirt
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Kate Forbes would even make me consider voting SNP if I lived in Scotland in an SNP and SLab marginal. I would never have considered voting for any other SNP leader but the socially conservative, economically centre right, pro monarchy Forbes is not a million miles from me, apart from on the Union of course and my being a bit more of a social liberal than she is!2
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She quite definitely isn't. Policies, personality, background. She is a very, very different politician to SKS.bigjohnowls said:OMG she is SKS in a skirt
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So what you are saying is that she is right wing and a nationalist. Sounds a little ominousHYUFD said:Kate Forbes would even make me consider voting SNP in an SNP and SLab marginal. I would never have considered voting for any other SNP leader but the socially conservative, economically centre right, pro monarchy Forbes is not a million miles from me, apart from on the Union of course and my being a bit more of a social liberal than she is!
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Maybe he planned to de-nationalise it first?Carnyx said:
Well, Mr Corbyn didn't cover himself in glory in Scotland as I recall. Demanding that water be nationalised and so on.bigjohnowls said:OMG she is SKS in a skirt
"If I had believed in all their policies, I would have been passionately committed to keeping out of the Common Market, and passionately committed to going into it. I would have been utterly convinced of the rightness of nationalising steel. And of denationalising it and renationalising it. On capital punishment, I'd have been a fervent retentionist and an ardent abolishionist. I would've been a Keynesian and a Friedmanite, a grammar school preserver and destroyer, a nationalisation freak and a privatisation maniac; but above all, I would have been a stark, staring, raving schizophrenic."1 -
Even I don’t think she’ll win the next GE.bigjohnowls said:OMG she is SKS in a skirt
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LOLHYUFD said:Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron0 -
UK or Scotland (Westminster) or Scotland (Holyrood)?Theuniondivvie said:
Even I don’t think she’ll win the next GE.bigjohnowls said:OMG she is SKS in a skirt
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{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}Alanbrooke said:
LOLHYUFD said:Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron0 -
I think BJO might simply have been referring to his inability to understand her apparent popularity.Malmesbury said:
She quite definitely isn't. Policies, personality, background. She is a very, very different politician to SKS.bigjohnowls said:OMG she is SKS in a skirt
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We are on PB, just as there is only one real parliament, there is only one real general election.Carnyx said:
UK or Scotland (Westminster) or Scotland (Holyrood)?Theuniondivvie said:
Even I don’t think she’ll win the next GE.bigjohnowls said:OMG she is SKS in a skirt
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Pity. All he needed was to pay a sub before the cutoff and ... oh, just realised the problem. Find 100 members willing to support his candidacy.Nigelb said:0 -
Yes, my mistake, ta.Theuniondivvie said:
We are on PB, just as there is only one real parliament, there is only one real general election.Carnyx said:
UK or Scotland (Westminster) or Scotland (Holyrood)?Theuniondivvie said:
Even I don’t think she’ll win the next GE.bigjohnowls said:OMG she is SKS in a skirt
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More that everyone to the right of Corbyn = Tories.Nigelb said:
I think BJO might simply have been referring to his inability to understand her apparent popularity.Malmesbury said:
She quite definitely isn't. Policies, personality, background. She is a very, very different politician to SKS.bigjohnowls said:OMG she is SKS in a skirt
So SKS is a Tory
Forbes is a Tory
Karl Marx is a Tory
etc.
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Ever been to Glasgow when it stops raining?Malmesbury said:
{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}Alanbrooke said:
LOLHYUFD said:Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron0 -
It stops raining?Carnyx said:
Ever been to Glasgow when it stops raining?Malmesbury said:
{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}Alanbrooke said:
LOLHYUFD said:Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron3 -
Russia targets Netherlands' North Sea infrastructure, says Dutch intelligence agency
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-targets-netherlands-north-sea-infrastructure-says-dutch-intelligence-2023-02-20/0 -
So, Kate Forbes is more of a Salmondite than a Sturgeonite?0
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Oh, yes, they can eat icecream out of doors on occasion without it washing away.Malmesbury said:
It stops raining?Carnyx said:
Ever been to Glasgow when it stops raining?Malmesbury said:
{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}Alanbrooke said:
LOLHYUFD said:Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron0 -
Back when I worked in Big Oil, we had reports on the vulnerability of the North Sea platforms to Russian Fun.Nigelb said:Russia targets Netherlands' North Sea infrastructure, says Dutch intelligence agency
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-targets-netherlands-north-sea-infrastructure-says-dutch-intelligence-2023-02-20/
Since it was after the cold war, they had opened the files up, so we could all look.
I especially remember the estimates for Troll B - a Russian 65cm torpedo was predicated to barely dent one of the legs in a contact explosion. For the conventional model. The nuclear version would destroy one leg, and smash up the topsides and render it all radioactive - but the other legs would probably survive!0 -
Tbf, I have a similar problem with Starmer, until I look at the government.Nigelb said:
I think BJO might simply have been referring to his inability to understand her apparent popularity.Malmesbury said:
She quite definitely isn't. Policies, personality, background. She is a very, very different politician to SKS.bigjohnowls said:OMG she is SKS in a skirt
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By 'background' you're referring to the lack of flags in this video?Malmesbury said:
She quite definitely isn't. Policies, personality, background. She is a very, very different politician to SKS.bigjohnowls said:OMG she is SKS in a skirt
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They eat the ice cream? I thought the vans were only there for....Carnyx said:
Oh, yes, they can eat icecream out of doors on occasion without it washing away.Malmesbury said:
It stops raining?Carnyx said:
Ever been to Glasgow when it stops raining?Malmesbury said:
{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}Alanbrooke said:
LOLHYUFD said:Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron0 -
To quote a self styled Scotch Expert 'Forbes is nowhere near experienced enough politically' for the job.0
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HY describes her as Erik the Skullsplitterite.Sandpit said:So, Kate Forbes is more of a Salmondite than a Sturgeonite?
And this is basically proved by PBs most headbanger Tories hailing Forbes as the next Margaret Thatcher, and playing down her illiberal values as no problem at all.0 -
If Forbes wins will the Greens crash the power share arrangement?
Maybe we'll have an interesting Scottish Parliament election to get our teeth into this spring?
Wouldn't that be exciting?
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Scotch Experts - debating getting another bottle of Smokehead. The wine snob in the family declares it poor, but seems to drink it by the gallon.TheScreamingEagles said:To quote a self styled Scotch Expert 'Forbes is nowhere near experienced enough politically' for the job.
Personally, I like it....0 -
News from the frontline.
Non observant Catholic, Celtic supporting non SNP member pal: I’d vote for Forbes because she’s a ride.0 -
In essence, yes I think so. There seems to be a view that being socially conservative means she must be a right winger. This is painfully shallow analysis from HYUFD - moral small c conservatives aren't going to vote for immorality and corruption (Tory).Sandpit said:So, Kate Forbes is more of a Salmondite than a Sturgeonite?
There is a very fundamental difference between the pro-business "Salmondite" approach and Toryism. Salmond and I assume Forbes are pro-business because they want to enrich the nation. Today's Tory party is pro-business because it wants to enrich its spiv donors and patrons.4 -
White house national security adviser says that Russia was notified of Biden's travel to Kyiv some hours before Biden's departure to avoid any miscalculations.
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/16276551590513500172 -
The PM says 'don't gobblefunk around with words' as he attacks plans to remove colourful language from Roald Dahl books
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/roald-dahl-censorship-row-matilda-sensitivity-rishi-sunak-gobblefunk-b1061640.html2 -
Minority government. But that's basically SOP at Holyrood for much of the time. IIRC 14 years Lab-LD coalition, 10 years minority, 2 years sort of in between SNP arrangement with SGs. Depends who else wants sweeties, though.GIN1138 said:If Forbes wins will the Greens crash the power share arrangement?
Maybe we'll have an interesting Scottish Parliament election to get our teeth into this spring?
Wouldn't that be exciting?
Also: that assumes SGs don't block the election of a new FM (as they well could given the numbers).1 -
I've always seen the SNP to be in the centre like the LibDems. Elements of the party sit in various positions across the centre of the spectrum. They are progressive, but that isn't the same as being pro-state anti-business as seems to be the stereotype.
The SNP's opportunity is a new leader who is able to draw support from across the political spectrum. They aren't left or right wing so that is achievable. Sturgeon tested to breaking point how far you can push non-issues over actual issues, so the new leader will have to be focused on jobs and services.
So the threat from Forbes is that she is competent. Talk about Scotland freed of its shackles and doing all the things people want, rather than the Sturgeon approach of Scotland is shackled so we can't do anything and its Westminster's fault.2 -
Header: She seems a lot more likeable than Nippy. Talks about small independent nations - may be less likely to want to approach EU for membership??0
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If nothing else, I bet there were some interesting air movements over NATO countries bordering Ukraine.Nigelb said:White house national security adviser says that Russia was notified of Biden's travel to Kyiv some hours before Biden's departure to avoid any miscalculations.
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1627655159051350017
They'd want to telegraph the reason for that, in advance.1 -
Also possible to buy it in the classic caffs ... https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g551771-d1484759-Reviews-Nardini_s-Largs_North_Ayrshire_Ayrshire_Scotland.htmlMalmesbury said:
They eat the ice cream? I thought the vans were only there for....Carnyx said:
Oh, yes, they can eat icecream out of doors on occasion without it washing away.Malmesbury said:
It stops raining?Carnyx said:
Ever been to Glasgow when it stops raining?Malmesbury said:
{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}Alanbrooke said:
LOLHYUFD said:Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron0 -
I know some flint knappers on here will be delighted with this.
Roman dildo discovered after experts re-examine 2000-year-old wooden phallus found near Hadrian's Wall
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1627650968253870080?t=6D2FNHBKYMUTT9uWv6xLOw&s=190 -
You’re enjoying this a bit too much!TheScreamingEagles said:To quote a self styled Scotch Expert 'Forbes is nowhere near experienced enough politically' for the job.
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Have I posted this archeological find before Leon?
https://news.sky.com/story/roman-dildo-discovered-after-experts-re-examine-2000-year-old-wooden-phallus-found-near-hadrians-wall-12815732
Edit. Alistair has stuck the whole thing up before me.1 -
Aside from her telling us all she is competent what evidence is there ?RochdalePioneers said:I've always seen the SNP to be in the centre like the LibDems. Elements of the party sit in various positions across the centre of the spectrum. They are progressive, but that isn't the same as being pro-state anti-business as seems to be the stereotype.
The SNP's opportunity is a new leader who is able to draw support from across the political spectrum. They aren't left or right wing so that is achievable. Sturgeon tested to breaking point how far you can push non-issues over actual issues, so the new leader will have to be focused on jobs and services.
So the threat from Forbes is that she is competent. Talk about Scotland freed of its shackles and doing all the things people want, rather than the Sturgeon approach of Scotland is shackled so we can't do anything and its Westminster's fault.0 -
Currently a couple of AWAC type US aircraft patrolling the Poland/Ukraine border.Malmesbury said:
If nothing else, I bet there were some interesting air movements over NATO countries bordering Ukraine.Nigelb said:White house national security adviser says that Russia was notified of Biden's travel to Kyiv some hours before Biden's departure to avoid any miscalculations.
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1627655159051350017
They'd want to telegraph the reason for that, in advance.0 -
Russian spin on the humiliation.Malmesbury said:
If nothing else, I bet there were some interesting air movements over NATO countries bordering Ukraine.Nigelb said:White house national security adviser says that Russia was notified of Biden's travel to Kyiv some hours before Biden's departure to avoid any miscalculations.
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1627655159051350017
They'd want to telegraph the reason for that, in advance.
… “We gave Biden security guarantees for a visit to Kyiv although we could have threatened him”.
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1627628298065903617
Totally believable.
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If Forbes wins, hopefully the SNP will crash the power share agreement.GIN1138 said:If Forbes wins will the Greens crash the power share arrangement?
Maybe we'll have an interesting Scottish Parliament election to get our teeth into this spring?
Wouldn't that be exciting?
If Forbes wins, will they still be any point in Alba continuing?1 -
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?HYUFD said:The PM says 'don't gobblefunk around with words' as he attacks plans to remove colourful language from Roald Dahl books
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/roald-dahl-censorship-row-matilda-sensitivity-rishi-sunak-gobblefunk-b1061640.html0 -
That's pretty standard these days. Bet there were some movements of more tactical aircraft as well.AlistairM said:
Currently a couple of AWAC type US aircraft patrolling the Poland/Ukraine border.Malmesbury said:
If nothing else, I bet there were some interesting air movements over NATO countries bordering Ukraine.Nigelb said:White house national security adviser says that Russia was notified of Biden's travel to Kyiv some hours before Biden's departure to avoid any miscalculations.
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1627655159051350017
They'd want to telegraph the reason for that, in advance.1 -
Ouch.MoonRabbit said:Have I posted this archeological find before Leon?
https://news.sky.com/story/roman-dildo-discovered-after-experts-re-examine-2000-year-old-wooden-phallus-found-near-hadrians-wall-12815732
Edit. Alistair has stuck the whole thing up before me.2 -
Two good points to consider.Fairliered said:
If Forbes wins, hopefully the SNP will crash the power share agreement.GIN1138 said:If Forbes wins will the Greens crash the power share arrangement?
Maybe we'll have an interesting Scottish Parliament election to get our teeth into this spring?
Wouldn't that be exciting?
If Forbes wins, will they still be any point in Alba continuing?0 -
is there any evidence that Kate Forbes is a right-winger (beyond her socially conservative religious views, if they are considered right-wing?). I can't find much about her online. How does she shape up and square up to the flame-haired Ash re:political positioning?0
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Sitting at home having tested +ve for Covid.
Seems to be quite a bit going round atm.
Feeling fine other than a bit tired/under the weather.0 -
I can’t see any future SNP that would provide a platform for Hanvey, MacAskilll and Tasmina, let alone Eck, so Alba may stagger on as an ego trip if nothing else.Carnyx said:
Two good points to consider.Fairliered said:
If Forbes wins, hopefully the SNP will crash the power share agreement.GIN1138 said:If Forbes wins will the Greens crash the power share arrangement?
Maybe we'll have an interesting Scottish Parliament election to get our teeth into this spring?
Wouldn't that be exciting?
If Forbes wins, will they still be any point in Alba continuing?0 -
3rd one is a Spcialist.Malmesbury said:
More that everyone to the right of Corbyn = Tories.Nigelb said:
I think BJO might simply have been referring to his inability to understand her apparent popularity.Malmesbury said:
She quite definitely isn't. Policies, personality, background. She is a very, very different politician to SKS.bigjohnowls said:OMG she is SKS in a skirt
So SKS is a Tory
Forbes is a Tory
Karl Marx is a Tory
etc.
Other 2 are right wing Socialist haters0 -
Fake news.DougSeal said:
You’re enjoying this a bit too much!TheScreamingEagles said:To quote a self styled Scotch Expert 'Forbes is nowhere near experienced enough politically' for the job.
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She can’t stand the Greens. That’s a start.Alanbrooke said:
Aside from her telling us all she is competent what evidence is there ?RochdalePioneers said:I've always seen the SNP to be in the centre like the LibDems. Elements of the party sit in various positions across the centre of the spectrum. They are progressive, but that isn't the same as being pro-state anti-business as seems to be the stereotype.
The SNP's opportunity is a new leader who is able to draw support from across the political spectrum. They aren't left or right wing so that is achievable. Sturgeon tested to breaking point how far you can push non-issues over actual issues, so the new leader will have to be focused on jobs and services.
So the threat from Forbes is that she is competent. Talk about Scotland freed of its shackles and doing all the things people want, rather than the Sturgeon approach of Scotland is shackled so we can't do anything and its Westminster's fault.
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I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?HYUFD said:The PM says 'don't gobblefunk around with words' as he attacks plans to remove colourful language from Roald Dahl books
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/roald-dahl-censorship-row-matilda-sensitivity-rishi-sunak-gobblefunk-b1061640.html1 -
She is a spending hawk who backs tax cuts as well as a social conservativeAnabobazina said:is there any evidence that Kate Forbes is a right-winger (beyond her socially conservative religious views, if they are considered right-wing?). I can't find much about her online. How does she shape up and square up to the flame-haired Ash re:political positioning?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-61623669.amp
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/4068929/kate-forbes-calls-for-cut-in-fuel-duty-to-save-scottish-families-from-being-plunged-into-poverty/2 -
as the point of alba seems to have been an ego trip for Salmond’s hurt feelings, mere changes of policy won’t affect its continuation.Fairliered said:
If Forbes wins, hopefully the SNP will crash the power share agreement.GIN1138 said:If Forbes wins will the Greens crash the power share arrangement?
Maybe we'll have an interesting Scottish Parliament election to get our teeth into this spring?
Wouldn't that be exciting?
If Forbes wins, will they still be any point in Alba continuing?1 -
fpt
Do these Tory brexiteers not realise that the Brexit 'dream' is in danger of dying if they don't accept some sort of compromise? We're likely to have a Labour government in less than two years. So what do they think is going to happen. Starmer will do a deal similar to Sunak or even take the UK back into the customs union.
Perhaps they feel the Brexit dream has already died. They just want to fight the EU as they have nothing left to lose.3 -
Presumably unlikely to see anymore candidates beyond the 3 now declared?
I know absolutely nothing about any of them. Will watch with interest, but having seen the last Tory contests, presumably the debate risks feeling quite divisive0 -
Thanks – useful link @HYUFDHYUFD said:
She is a spending hawk who backs tax cuts as well as a social conservativeAnabobazina said:is there any evidence that Kate Forbes is a right-winger (beyond her socially conservative religious views, if they are considered right-wing?). I can't find much about her online. How does she shape up and square up to the flame-haired Ash re:political positioning?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-61623669.amp
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/4068929/kate-forbes-calls-for-cut-in-fuel-duty-to-save-scottish-families-from-being-plunged-into-poverty/1 -
I can see an argument developing over the intended gender of customer for this dildo. Or, as Homer would put it, dil-doh !Nigelb said:
Ouch.MoonRabbit said:Have I posted this archeological find before Leon?
https://news.sky.com/story/roman-dildo-discovered-after-experts-re-examine-2000-year-old-wooden-phallus-found-near-hadrians-wall-12815732
Edit. Alistair has stuck the whole thing up before me.0 -
I do have memories of being stuck in the Holiday Inn Express in Motherwell.Carnyx said:
Ever been to Glasgow when it stops raining?Malmesbury said:
{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}Alanbrooke said:
LOLHYUFD said:Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron
It stopped raining briefly, but it was January.0 -
They are at the "one last heave" stage. No compromises now because they have to railroad through the EU Bonfire bill. Once they burn all of the EU laws they can start cutting working conditions for the red wall and finally secure the Brexit benefit the red wall voted for.FrankBooth said:fpt
Do these Tory brexiteers not realise that the Brexit 'dream' is in danger of dying if they don't accept some sort of compromise? We're likely to have a Labour government in less than two years. So what do they think is going to happen. Starmer will do a deal similar to Sunak or even take the UK back into the customs union.
Perhaps they feel the Brexit dream has already died. They just want to fight the EU as they have nothing left to lose.
If they backslide on the Protocol then it will encourage backsliding on the bonfire bill which imperils their ability to increase the maximum working week and cut health and safety.0 -
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.FrankBooth said:
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?HYUFD said:The PM says 'don't gobblefunk around with words' as he attacks plans to remove colourful language from Roald Dahl books
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/roald-dahl-censorship-row-matilda-sensitivity-rishi-sunak-gobblefunk-b1061640.html0 -
So the gangs have gone posh? :-)Carnyx said:
Also possible to buy it in the classic caffs ... https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g551771-d1484759-Reviews-Nardini_s-Largs_North_Ayrshire_Ayrshire_Scotland.htmlMalmesbury said:
They eat the ice cream? I thought the vans were only there for....Carnyx said:
Oh, yes, they can eat icecream out of doors on occasion without it washing away.Malmesbury said:
It stops raining?Carnyx said:
Ever been to Glasgow when it stops raining?Malmesbury said:
{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}Alanbrooke said:
LOLHYUFD said:Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron0 -
And should there be a forced silence from politicians if businesses choose to be 'unwoke'?CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.FrankBooth said:
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?HYUFD said:The PM says 'don't gobblefunk around with words' as he attacks plans to remove colourful language from Roald Dahl books
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/roald-dahl-censorship-row-matilda-sensitivity-rishi-sunak-gobblefunk-b1061640.html1 -
How does the SNP leadership election work?
Is is a daily run off like the Tory system, with the last two going to the membership?0 -
Censorship isn’t particularly woke.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.FrankBooth said:
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?HYUFD said:The PM says 'don't gobblefunk around with words' as he attacks plans to remove colourful language from Roald Dahl books
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/roald-dahl-censorship-row-matilda-sensitivity-rishi-sunak-gobblefunk-b1061640.html
But as you say, they bought the rights to the work, and are entitled to make fools of themselves.0 -
Forced ?FrankBooth said:
And should there be a forced silence from politicians if businesses choose to be 'unwoke'?CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.FrankBooth said:
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?HYUFD said:The PM says 'don't gobblefunk around with words' as he attacks plans to remove colourful language from Roald Dahl books
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/roald-dahl-censorship-row-matilda-sensitivity-rishi-sunak-gobblefunk-b1061640.html
That’s even sillier than those figures who appear across the media claiming they’ve been ‘silenced’.1 -
People don’t forfeit the right to express opinions, upon entering politics.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.FrankBooth said:
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?HYUFD said:The PM says 'don't gobblefunk around with words' as he attacks plans to remove colourful language from Roald Dahl books
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/roald-dahl-censorship-row-matilda-sensitivity-rishi-sunak-gobblefunk-b1061640.html
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The ever handy https://taps-aff.co.uk/ is all you need if you come back.MattW said:
I do have memories of being stuck in the Holiday Inn Express in Motherwell.Carnyx said:
Ever been to Glasgow when it stops raining?Malmesbury said:
{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}Alanbrooke said:
LOLHYUFD said:Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron
It stopped raining briefly, but it was January.0 -
All 11 SNP MPs voted in favour of Margaret Thatcher's no confidence motion that won by 1 vote and brought down the Labour government. If they hadn't wanted a Tory govt to replace the Labour one, they shouldn't have done that.Carnyx said:
You shouldnn't be;lieve that old canard about the Tories. It was Labour who put Mrs T in office, by being crap, as I well remember. And as Jim Callaghan himself said.Erly said:
The Tories should be grateful. It was the SNP that put Thatcher in office.Leon said:Further thought
Spectator type Unionist Tories are (genuinely) scared of Kate Forbes, partly because she is photogenic, clever, eloquent, Cambridge educated etc
But they are also scared of her because, well, she is a Tory. Church going, quite traditional, and economically truly conservative. A sane Liz Truss in tartan, a Scottish Thatcher, who will run Scotland rather well, increasing the appeal of Indy
But what frightens British Tories might also frighten a lot of Scots, in the opposite direction. We keep being told Scotland is to the left of England. If Forbes becomes FM, that hypothesis will be severely tested
Anyone who thinks Scotland is to the left of England should visit Scotland and educate themselves.
If even a single SNP MP had abstained, Thatcher would have lost the vote. They knew what they were doing.
The 40% rule in the Scottish devolution referendum earlier that month was certainly a huge error. I hope there's never another rule of that kind in any future referendum.1 -
And CHB was just expressing his.Sean_F said:
People don’t forfeit the right to express opinions, upon entering politics.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.FrankBooth said:
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?HYUFD said:The PM says 'don't gobblefunk around with words' as he attacks plans to remove colourful language from Roald Dahl books
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/roald-dahl-censorship-row-matilda-sensitivity-rishi-sunak-gobblefunk-b1061640.html0 -
Only to an idiotNigel_Foremain said:
So what you are saying is that she is right wing and a nationalist. Sounds a little ominousHYUFD said:Kate Forbes would even make me consider voting SNP in an SNP and SLab marginal. I would never have considered voting for any other SNP leader but the socially conservative, economically centre right, pro monarchy Forbes is not a million miles from me, apart from on the Union of course and my being a bit more of a social liberal than she is!
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Okay let's use the word principled. Is it okay for politicians to ever offer opinions on how businesses operate their affairs?Nigelb said:
Forced ?FrankBooth said:
And should there be a forced silence from politicians if businesses choose to be 'unwoke'?CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.FrankBooth said:
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?HYUFD said:The PM says 'don't gobblefunk around with words' as he attacks plans to remove colourful language from Roald Dahl books
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/roald-dahl-censorship-row-matilda-sensitivity-rishi-sunak-gobblefunk-b1061640.html0 -
You can ignore Humza Useless unless it is fixed.Razedabode said:Presumably unlikely to see anymore candidates beyond the 3 now declared?
I know absolutely nothing about any of them. Will watch with interest, but having seen the last Tory contests, presumably the debate risks feeling quite divisive1 -
But what is her position on Environmentalism?DavidL said:
She can’t stand the Greens. That’s a start.Alanbrooke said:
Aside from her telling us all she is competent what evidence is there ?RochdalePioneers said:I've always seen the SNP to be in the centre like the LibDems. Elements of the party sit in various positions across the centre of the spectrum. They are progressive, but that isn't the same as being pro-state anti-business as seems to be the stereotype.
The SNP's opportunity is a new leader who is able to draw support from across the political spectrum. They aren't left or right wing so that is achievable. Sturgeon tested to breaking point how far you can push non-issues over actual issues, so the new leader will have to be focused on jobs and services.
So the threat from Forbes is that she is competent. Talk about Scotland freed of its shackles and doing all the things people want, rather than the Sturgeon approach of Scotland is shackled so we can't do anything and its Westminster's fault.0 -
For sure ,, halfway there already. She will need to be loud and clear on independence though.DavidL said:
She can’t stand the Greens. That’s a start.Alanbrooke said:
Aside from her telling us all she is competent what evidence is there ?RochdalePioneers said:I've always seen the SNP to be in the centre like the LibDems. Elements of the party sit in various positions across the centre of the spectrum. They are progressive, but that isn't the same as being pro-state anti-business as seems to be the stereotype.
The SNP's opportunity is a new leader who is able to draw support from across the political spectrum. They aren't left or right wing so that is achievable. Sturgeon tested to breaking point how far you can push non-issues over actual issues, so the new leader will have to be focused on jobs and services.
So the threat from Forbes is that she is competent. Talk about Scotland freed of its shackles and doing all the things people want, rather than the Sturgeon approach of Scotland is shackled so we can't do anything and its Westminster's fault.0 -
I dunno. Johnson serves as a warning.malcolmg said:
Only to an idiotNigel_Foremain said:
So what you are saying is that she is right wing and a nationalist. Sounds a little ominousHYUFD said:Kate Forbes would even make me consider voting SNP in an SNP and SLab marginal. I would never have considered voting for any other SNP leader but the socially conservative, economically centre right, pro monarchy Forbes is not a million miles from me, apart from on the Union of course and my being a bit more of a social liberal than she is!
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Unless the next leader is stupid , for Holyrood you want a second string to prevent the London parties winning all eth list seats , only stupidity of Sturgeon with her SNP 1,2 stopped that last time. She preferred having lots of unionists to another indepence parties MSP's. Smart leader required.Theuniondivvie said:
I can’t see any future SNP that would provide a platform for Hanvey, MacAskilll and Tasmina, let alone Eck, so Alba may stagger on as an ego trip if nothing else.Carnyx said:
Two good points to consider.Fairliered said:
If Forbes wins, hopefully the SNP will crash the power share agreement.GIN1138 said:If Forbes wins will the Greens crash the power share arrangement?
Maybe we'll have an interesting Scottish Parliament election to get our teeth into this spring?
Wouldn't that be exciting?
If Forbes wins, will they still be any point in Alba continuing?0 -
With respect I don't think anyone questions whether CHB should be able to air their opinion! It's whether the PM should be able to give his.Nigelb said:
And CHB was just expressing his.Sean_F said:
People don’t forfeit the right to express opinions, upon entering politics.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.FrankBooth said:
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?HYUFD said:The PM says 'don't gobblefunk around with words' as he attacks plans to remove colourful language from Roald Dahl books
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/roald-dahl-censorship-row-matilda-sensitivity-rishi-sunak-gobblefunk-b1061640.html1 -
Having the right to do something is not the same as it being sensible to exercise that right, or not to expect criticism for doing so.Sean_F said:
People don’t forfeit the right to express opinions, upon entering politics.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.FrankBooth said:
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?HYUFD said:The PM says 'don't gobblefunk around with words' as he attacks plans to remove colourful language from Roald Dahl books
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/roald-dahl-censorship-row-matilda-sensitivity-rishi-sunak-gobblefunk-b1061640.html
A PM getting involved in how books are written feels quite off to me, like something one would expect in a very religious or authoritarian state.
Has he not got enough on his plate on more important things anyway?2 -
The Woke Wars are the most important things for Tories. Just think about the dog in the Dambusters.noneoftheabove said:
Having the right to do something is not the same as it being sensible to exercise that right, or not to expect criticism for doing so.Sean_F said:
People don’t forfeit the right to express opinions, upon entering politics.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.FrankBooth said:
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?HYUFD said:The PM says 'don't gobblefunk around with words' as he attacks plans to remove colourful language from Roald Dahl books
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/roald-dahl-censorship-row-matilda-sensitivity-rishi-sunak-gobblefunk-b1061640.html
A PM getting involved in how books are written feels quite off to me, like something one would expect in a very religious or authoritarian state.
Has he not got enough on his plate on more important things anyway?1 -
Environmentalism and the Green Party are often strangers it seems to me.SandyRentool said:
But what is her position on Environmentalism?DavidL said:
She can’t stand the Greens. That’s a start.Alanbrooke said:
Aside from her telling us all she is competent what evidence is there ?RochdalePioneers said:I've always seen the SNP to be in the centre like the LibDems. Elements of the party sit in various positions across the centre of the spectrum. They are progressive, but that isn't the same as being pro-state anti-business as seems to be the stereotype.
The SNP's opportunity is a new leader who is able to draw support from across the political spectrum. They aren't left or right wing so that is achievable. Sturgeon tested to breaking point how far you can push non-issues over actual issues, so the new leader will have to be focused on jobs and services.
So the threat from Forbes is that she is competent. Talk about Scotland freed of its shackles and doing all the things people want, rather than the Sturgeon approach of Scotland is shackled so we can't do anything and its Westminster's fault.1 -
She is clear that’s what she wants in her video. Like almost everybody else who wants it, however, she has no clear idea how it is to be delivered.malcolmg said:
For sure ,, halfway there already. She will need to be loud and clear on independence though.DavidL said:
She can’t stand the Greens. That’s a start.Alanbrooke said:
Aside from her telling us all she is competent what evidence is there ?RochdalePioneers said:I've always seen the SNP to be in the centre like the LibDems. Elements of the party sit in various positions across the centre of the spectrum. They are progressive, but that isn't the same as being pro-state anti-business as seems to be the stereotype.
The SNP's opportunity is a new leader who is able to draw support from across the political spectrum. They aren't left or right wing so that is achievable. Sturgeon tested to breaking point how far you can push non-issues over actual issues, so the new leader will have to be focused on jobs and services.
So the threat from Forbes is that she is competent. Talk about Scotland freed of its shackles and doing all the things people want, rather than the Sturgeon approach of Scotland is shackled so we can't do anything and its Westminster's fault.2 -
Hi Malc, who will you be backing for the leadership?malcolmg said:
Unless the next leader is stupid , for Holyrood you want a second string to prevent the London parties winning all eth list seats , only stupidity of Sturgeon with her SNP 1,2 stopped that last time. She preferred having lots of unionists to another indepence parties MSP's. Smart leader required.Theuniondivvie said:
I can’t see any future SNP that would provide a platform for Hanvey, MacAskilll and Tasmina, let alone Eck, so Alba may stagger on as an ego trip if nothing else.Carnyx said:
Two good points to consider.Fairliered said:
If Forbes wins, hopefully the SNP will crash the power share agreement.GIN1138 said:If Forbes wins will the Greens crash the power share arrangement?
Maybe we'll have an interesting Scottish Parliament election to get our teeth into this spring?
Wouldn't that be exciting?
If Forbes wins, will they still be any point in Alba continuing?0 -
Forbes must have done something against the Absolute Boy if you are comparing her to SKS.bigjohnowls said:
3rd one is a Spcialist.Malmesbury said:
More that everyone to the right of Corbyn = Tories.Nigelb said:
I think BJO might simply have been referring to his inability to understand her apparent popularity.Malmesbury said:
She quite definitely isn't. Policies, personality, background. She is a very, very different politician to SKS.bigjohnowls said:OMG she is SKS in a skirt
So SKS is a Tory
Forbes is a Tory
Karl Marx is a Tory
etc.
Other 2 are right wing Socialist haters0 -
BF:
Forbes 1.89
Yousaf 3.05
Regan 6.2
Any views? Anyone betting on this?
I'm tempted to back Regan. I have a cheeky £1 on Cherry at 100.
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Sure it is.FrankBooth said:
Okay let's use the word principled. Is it okay for politicians to ever offer opinions on how businesses operate their affairs?Nigelb said:
Forced ?FrankBooth said:
And should there be a forced silence from politicians if businesses choose to be 'unwoke'?CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.FrankBooth said:
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.CorrectHorseBattery3 said:
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?HYUFD said:The PM says 'don't gobblefunk around with words' as he attacks plans to remove colourful language from Roald Dahl books
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/roald-dahl-censorship-row-matilda-sensitivity-rishi-sunak-gobblefunk-b1061640.html
I think in this case, Sunak’s opinion is just irrelevant pandering to a particular audience, but no reason he can’t do that.
I took CHB’s comment as his opinion on what Sunak ought to do, which is also fair enough.0 -
Just as if even a single Liberal MP had abstained, Thatcher would have lost the vote. They seem to have a habit of besmirching themselves with cooperating with Tories though.Erly said:
All 11 SNP MPs voted in favour of Margaret Thatcher's no confidence motion that won by 1 vote and brought down the Labour government. If they hadn't wanted a Tory govt to replace the Labour one, they shouldn't have done that.Carnyx said:
You shouldnn't be;lieve that old canard about the Tories. It was Labour who put Mrs T in office, by being crap, as I well remember. And as Jim Callaghan himself said.Erly said:
The Tories should be grateful. It was the SNP that put Thatcher in office.Leon said:Further thought
Spectator type Unionist Tories are (genuinely) scared of Kate Forbes, partly because she is photogenic, clever, eloquent, Cambridge educated etc
But they are also scared of her because, well, she is a Tory. Church going, quite traditional, and economically truly conservative. A sane Liz Truss in tartan, a Scottish Thatcher, who will run Scotland rather well, increasing the appeal of Indy
But what frightens British Tories might also frighten a lot of Scots, in the opposite direction. We keep being told Scotland is to the left of England. If Forbes becomes FM, that hypothesis will be severely tested
Anyone who thinks Scotland is to the left of England should visit Scotland and educate themselves.
If even a single SNP MP had abstained, Thatcher would have lost the vote. They knew what they were doing.
The 40% rule in the Scottish devolution referendum earlier that month was certainly a huge error. I hope there's never another rule of that kind in any future referendum.
Strategically 11 years of Thatcher after Labour fcking about with the devolution bill was probably the best thing ever for indy, though I'm not crediting Gordon Wilson with any foresight. There'll never be a Feeble Fifty let alone a Feeble Forty again.0 -
I can see some Alba top liners being tempted back by Forbes. And running a mile from Yousaf.malcolmg said:
Unless the next leader is stupid , for Holyrood you want a second string to prevent the London parties winning all eth list seats , only stupidity of Sturgeon with her SNP 1,2 stopped that last time. She preferred having lots of unionists to another indepence parties MSP's. Smart leader required.Theuniondivvie said:
I can’t see any future SNP that would provide a platform for Hanvey, MacAskilll and Tasmina, let alone Eck, so Alba may stagger on as an ego trip if nothing else.Carnyx said:
Two good points to consider.Fairliered said:
If Forbes wins, hopefully the SNP will crash the power share agreement.GIN1138 said:If Forbes wins will the Greens crash the power share arrangement?
Maybe we'll have an interesting Scottish Parliament election to get our teeth into this spring?
Wouldn't that be exciting?
If Forbes wins, will they still be any point in Alba continuing?0 -
For any who haven’t seen Forbes’ video - worth a watch:
https://twitter.com/_KateForbes/status/1627624249069371392?s=20-1 -
Ooh, so they did tip off the Russkies. The official ones at least.Nigelb said:White house national security adviser says that Russia was notified of Biden's travel to Kyiv some hours before Biden's departure to avoid any miscalculations.
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1627655159051350017
Fair play to everyone involved in that operation, impressive that they were prepared to do things so differently to the very tight and paranoid movement of the President that usually happens.0
