Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
Kate Forbes would even make me consider voting SNP if I lived in Scotland in an SNP and SLab marginal. I would never have considered voting for any other SNP leader but the socially conservative, economically centre right, pro monarchy Forbes is not a million miles from me, apart from on the Union of course and my being a bit more of a social liberal than she is!
Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
But where's the homophobic TERFic fire and brimstone you promised us?
Kate Forbes would even make me consider voting SNP in an SNP and SLab marginal. I would never have considered voting for any other SNP leader but the socially conservative, economically centre right, pro monarchy Forbes is not a million miles from me, apart from on the Union of course and my being a bit more of a social liberal than she is!
So what you are saying is that she is right wing and a nationalist. Sounds a little ominous
Well, Mr Corbyn didn't cover himself in glory in Scotland as I recall. Demanding that water be nationalised and so on.
Maybe he planned to de-nationalise it first?
"If I had believed in all their policies, I would have been passionately committed to keeping out of the Common Market, and passionately committed to going into it. I would have been utterly convinced of the rightness of nationalising steel. And of denationalising it and renationalising it. On capital punishment, I'd have been a fervent retentionist and an ardent abolishionist. I would've been a Keynesian and a Friedmanite, a grammar school preserver and destroyer, a nationalisation freak and a privatisation maniac; but above all, I would have been a stark, staring, raving schizophrenic."
Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
LOL
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
LOL
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron
{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}
Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
But where's the homophobic TERFic fire and brimstone you promised us?
Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
But where's the homophobic TERFic fire and brimstone you promised us?
HYUFD’s not a candidate.
Pity. All he needed was to pay a sub before the cutoff and ... oh, just realised the problem. Find 100 members willing to support his candidacy.
Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
LOL
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron
{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}
Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
LOL
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron
{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}
Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
LOL
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron
{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}
Ever been to Glasgow when it stops raining?
It stops raining?
Oh, yes, they can eat icecream out of doors on occasion without it washing away.
Back when I worked in Big Oil, we had reports on the vulnerability of the North Sea platforms to Russian Fun.
Since it was after the cold war, they had opened the files up, so we could all look.
I especially remember the estimates for Troll B - a Russian 65cm torpedo was predicated to barely dent one of the legs in a contact explosion. For the conventional model. The nuclear version would destroy one leg, and smash up the topsides and render it all radioactive - but the other legs would probably survive!
Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
LOL
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron
{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}
Ever been to Glasgow when it stops raining?
It stops raining?
Oh, yes, they can eat icecream out of doors on occasion without it washing away.
They eat the ice cream? I thought the vans were only there for....
So, Kate Forbes is more of a Salmondite than a Sturgeonite?
HY describes her as Erik the Skullsplitterite.
And this is basically proved by PBs most headbanger Tories hailing Forbes as the next Margaret Thatcher, and playing down her illiberal values as no problem at all.
So, Kate Forbes is more of a Salmondite than a Sturgeonite?
In essence, yes I think so. There seems to be a view that being socially conservative means she must be a right winger. This is painfully shallow analysis from HYUFD - moral small c conservatives aren't going to vote for immorality and corruption (Tory).
There is a very fundamental difference between the pro-business "Salmondite" approach and Toryism. Salmond and I assume Forbes are pro-business because they want to enrich the nation. Today's Tory party is pro-business because it wants to enrich its spiv donors and patrons.
If Forbes wins will the Greens crash the power share arrangement?
Maybe we'll have an interesting Scottish Parliament election to get our teeth into this spring?
Wouldn't that be exciting?
Minority government. But that's basically SOP at Holyrood for much of the time. IIRC 14 years Lab-LD coalition, 10 years minority, 2 years sort of in between SNP arrangement with SGs. Depends who else wants sweeties, though.
Also: that assumes SGs don't block the election of a new FM (as they well could given the numbers).
I've always seen the SNP to be in the centre like the LibDems. Elements of the party sit in various positions across the centre of the spectrum. They are progressive, but that isn't the same as being pro-state anti-business as seems to be the stereotype.
The SNP's opportunity is a new leader who is able to draw support from across the political spectrum. They aren't left or right wing so that is achievable. Sturgeon tested to breaking point how far you can push non-issues over actual issues, so the new leader will have to be focused on jobs and services.
So the threat from Forbes is that she is competent. Talk about Scotland freed of its shackles and doing all the things people want, rather than the Sturgeon approach of Scotland is shackled so we can't do anything and its Westminster's fault.
Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
LOL
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron
{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}
Ever been to Glasgow when it stops raining?
It stops raining?
Oh, yes, they can eat icecream out of doors on occasion without it washing away.
They eat the ice cream? I thought the vans were only there for....
I've always seen the SNP to be in the centre like the LibDems. Elements of the party sit in various positions across the centre of the spectrum. They are progressive, but that isn't the same as being pro-state anti-business as seems to be the stereotype.
The SNP's opportunity is a new leader who is able to draw support from across the political spectrum. They aren't left or right wing so that is achievable. Sturgeon tested to breaking point how far you can push non-issues over actual issues, so the new leader will have to be focused on jobs and services.
So the threat from Forbes is that she is competent. Talk about Scotland freed of its shackles and doing all the things people want, rather than the Sturgeon approach of Scotland is shackled so we can't do anything and its Westminster's fault.
Aside from her telling us all she is competent what evidence is there ?
is there any evidence that Kate Forbes is a right-winger (beyond her socially conservative religious views, if they are considered right-wing?). I can't find much about her online. How does she shape up and square up to the flame-haired Ash re:political positioning?
If Forbes wins will the Greens crash the power share arrangement?
Maybe we'll have an interesting Scottish Parliament election to get our teeth into this spring?
Wouldn't that be exciting?
If Forbes wins, hopefully the SNP will crash the power share agreement. If Forbes wins, will they still be any point in Alba continuing?
Two good points to consider.
I can’t see any future SNP that would provide a platform for Hanvey, MacAskilll and Tasmina, let alone Eck, so Alba may stagger on as an ego trip if nothing else.
I've always seen the SNP to be in the centre like the LibDems. Elements of the party sit in various positions across the centre of the spectrum. They are progressive, but that isn't the same as being pro-state anti-business as seems to be the stereotype.
The SNP's opportunity is a new leader who is able to draw support from across the political spectrum. They aren't left or right wing so that is achievable. Sturgeon tested to breaking point how far you can push non-issues over actual issues, so the new leader will have to be focused on jobs and services.
So the threat from Forbes is that she is competent. Talk about Scotland freed of its shackles and doing all the things people want, rather than the Sturgeon approach of Scotland is shackled so we can't do anything and its Westminster's fault.
Aside from her telling us all she is competent what evidence is there ?
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.
is there any evidence that Kate Forbes is a right-winger (beyond her socially conservative religious views, if they are considered right-wing?). I can't find much about her online. How does she shape up and square up to the flame-haired Ash re:political positioning?
She is a spending hawk who backs tax cuts as well as a social conservative
Do these Tory brexiteers not realise that the Brexit 'dream' is in danger of dying if they don't accept some sort of compromise? We're likely to have a Labour government in less than two years. So what do they think is going to happen. Starmer will do a deal similar to Sunak or even take the UK back into the customs union.
Perhaps they feel the Brexit dream has already died. They just want to fight the EU as they have nothing left to lose.
Presumably unlikely to see anymore candidates beyond the 3 now declared?
I know absolutely nothing about any of them. Will watch with interest, but having seen the last Tory contests, presumably the debate risks feeling quite divisive
is there any evidence that Kate Forbes is a right-winger (beyond her socially conservative religious views, if they are considered right-wing?). I can't find much about her online. How does she shape up and square up to the flame-haired Ash re:political positioning?
She is a spending hawk who backs tax cuts as well as a social conservative
Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
LOL
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron
{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}
Ever been to Glasgow when it stops raining?
I do have memories of being stuck in the Holiday Inn Express in Motherwell.
Do these Tory brexiteers not realise that the Brexit 'dream' is in danger of dying if they don't accept some sort of compromise? We're likely to have a Labour government in less than two years. So what do they think is going to happen. Starmer will do a deal similar to Sunak or even take the UK back into the customs union.
Perhaps they feel the Brexit dream has already died. They just want to fight the EU as they have nothing left to lose.
They are at the "one last heave" stage. No compromises now because they have to railroad through the EU Bonfire bill. Once they burn all of the EU laws they can start cutting working conditions for the red wall and finally secure the Brexit benefit the red wall voted for.
If they backslide on the Protocol then it will encourage backsliding on the bonfire bill which imperils their ability to increase the maximum working week and cut health and safety.
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.
Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
LOL
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron
{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}
Ever been to Glasgow when it stops raining?
It stops raining?
Oh, yes, they can eat icecream out of doors on occasion without it washing away.
They eat the ice cream? I thought the vans were only there for....
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.
And should there be a forced silence from politicians if businesses choose to be 'unwoke'?
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.
Censorship isn’t particularly woke. But as you say, they bought the rights to the work, and are entitled to make fools of themselves.
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.
And should there be a forced silence from politicians if businesses choose to be 'unwoke'?
Forced ?
That’s even sillier than those figures who appear across the media claiming they’ve been ‘silenced’.
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.
People don’t forfeit the right to express opinions, upon entering politics.
Notice she emphasises she would get a grip on the Scottish economy and finances. Suggests a clear shift to the right after Sturgeon if she succeeds her
LOL
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron
{Image of zillions of shirtless Scots outside the Scottish Parliament}
Ever been to Glasgow when it stops raining?
I do have memories of being stuck in the Holiday Inn Express in Motherwell.
Spectator type Unionist Tories are (genuinely) scared of Kate Forbes, partly because she is photogenic, clever, eloquent, Cambridge educated etc
But they are also scared of her because, well, she is a Tory. Church going, quite traditional, and economically truly conservative. A sane Liz Truss in tartan, a Scottish Thatcher, who will run Scotland rather well, increasing the appeal of Indy
But what frightens British Tories might also frighten a lot of Scots, in the opposite direction. We keep being told Scotland is to the left of England. If Forbes becomes FM, that hypothesis will be severely tested
The Tories should be grateful. It was the SNP that put Thatcher in office.
Anyone who thinks Scotland is to the left of England should visit Scotland and educate themselves.
You shouldnn't be;lieve that old canard about the Tories. It was Labour who put Mrs T in office, by being crap, as I well remember. And as Jim Callaghan himself said.
All 11 SNP MPs voted in favour of Margaret Thatcher's no confidence motion that won by 1 vote and brought down the Labour government. If they hadn't wanted a Tory govt to replace the Labour one, they shouldn't have done that.
If even a single SNP MP had abstained, Thatcher would have lost the vote. They knew what they were doing.
The 40% rule in the Scottish devolution referendum earlier that month was certainly a huge error. I hope there's never another rule of that kind in any future referendum.
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.
People don’t forfeit the right to express opinions, upon entering politics.
Kate Forbes would even make me consider voting SNP in an SNP and SLab marginal. I would never have considered voting for any other SNP leader but the socially conservative, economically centre right, pro monarchy Forbes is not a million miles from me, apart from on the Union of course and my being a bit more of a social liberal than she is!
So what you are saying is that she is right wing and a nationalist. Sounds a little ominous
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.
And should there be a forced silence from politicians if businesses choose to be 'unwoke'?
Forced ?
Okay let's use the word principled. Is it okay for politicians to ever offer opinions on how businesses operate their affairs?
Presumably unlikely to see anymore candidates beyond the 3 now declared?
I know absolutely nothing about any of them. Will watch with interest, but having seen the last Tory contests, presumably the debate risks feeling quite divisive
I've always seen the SNP to be in the centre like the LibDems. Elements of the party sit in various positions across the centre of the spectrum. They are progressive, but that isn't the same as being pro-state anti-business as seems to be the stereotype.
The SNP's opportunity is a new leader who is able to draw support from across the political spectrum. They aren't left or right wing so that is achievable. Sturgeon tested to breaking point how far you can push non-issues over actual issues, so the new leader will have to be focused on jobs and services.
So the threat from Forbes is that she is competent. Talk about Scotland freed of its shackles and doing all the things people want, rather than the Sturgeon approach of Scotland is shackled so we can't do anything and its Westminster's fault.
Aside from her telling us all she is competent what evidence is there ?
I've always seen the SNP to be in the centre like the LibDems. Elements of the party sit in various positions across the centre of the spectrum. They are progressive, but that isn't the same as being pro-state anti-business as seems to be the stereotype.
The SNP's opportunity is a new leader who is able to draw support from across the political spectrum. They aren't left or right wing so that is achievable. Sturgeon tested to breaking point how far you can push non-issues over actual issues, so the new leader will have to be focused on jobs and services.
So the threat from Forbes is that she is competent. Talk about Scotland freed of its shackles and doing all the things people want, rather than the Sturgeon approach of Scotland is shackled so we can't do anything and its Westminster's fault.
Aside from her telling us all she is competent what evidence is there ?
She can’t stand the Greens. That’s a start.
For sure ,, halfway there already. She will need to be loud and clear on independence though.
Kate Forbes would even make me consider voting SNP in an SNP and SLab marginal. I would never have considered voting for any other SNP leader but the socially conservative, economically centre right, pro monarchy Forbes is not a million miles from me, apart from on the Union of course and my being a bit more of a social liberal than she is!
So what you are saying is that she is right wing and a nationalist. Sounds a little ominous
If Forbes wins will the Greens crash the power share arrangement?
Maybe we'll have an interesting Scottish Parliament election to get our teeth into this spring?
Wouldn't that be exciting?
If Forbes wins, hopefully the SNP will crash the power share agreement. If Forbes wins, will they still be any point in Alba continuing?
Two good points to consider.
I can’t see any future SNP that would provide a platform for Hanvey, MacAskilll and Tasmina, let alone Eck, so Alba may stagger on as an ego trip if nothing else.
Unless the next leader is stupid , for Holyrood you want a second string to prevent the London parties winning all eth list seats , only stupidity of Sturgeon with her SNP 1,2 stopped that last time. She preferred having lots of unionists to another indepence parties MSP's. Smart leader required.
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.
People don’t forfeit the right to express opinions, upon entering politics.
And CHB was just expressing his.
With respect I don't think anyone questions whether CHB should be able to air their opinion! It's whether the PM should be able to give his.
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.
People don’t forfeit the right to express opinions, upon entering politics.
Having the right to do something is not the same as it being sensible to exercise that right, or not to expect criticism for doing so.
A PM getting involved in how books are written feels quite off to me, like something one would expect in a very religious or authoritarian state.
Has he not got enough on his plate on more important things anyway?
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.
People don’t forfeit the right to express opinions, upon entering politics.
Having the right to do something is not the same as it being sensible to exercise that right, or not to expect criticism for doing so.
A PM getting involved in how books are written feels quite off to me, like something one would expect in a very religious or authoritarian state.
Has he not got enough on his plate on more important things anyway?
The Woke Wars are the most important things for Tories. Just think about the dog in the Dambusters.
I've always seen the SNP to be in the centre like the LibDems. Elements of the party sit in various positions across the centre of the spectrum. They are progressive, but that isn't the same as being pro-state anti-business as seems to be the stereotype.
The SNP's opportunity is a new leader who is able to draw support from across the political spectrum. They aren't left or right wing so that is achievable. Sturgeon tested to breaking point how far you can push non-issues over actual issues, so the new leader will have to be focused on jobs and services.
So the threat from Forbes is that she is competent. Talk about Scotland freed of its shackles and doing all the things people want, rather than the Sturgeon approach of Scotland is shackled so we can't do anything and its Westminster's fault.
Aside from her telling us all she is competent what evidence is there ?
She can’t stand the Greens. That’s a start.
But what is her position on Environmentalism?
Environmentalism and the Green Party are often strangers it seems to me.
I've always seen the SNP to be in the centre like the LibDems. Elements of the party sit in various positions across the centre of the spectrum. They are progressive, but that isn't the same as being pro-state anti-business as seems to be the stereotype.
The SNP's opportunity is a new leader who is able to draw support from across the political spectrum. They aren't left or right wing so that is achievable. Sturgeon tested to breaking point how far you can push non-issues over actual issues, so the new leader will have to be focused on jobs and services.
So the threat from Forbes is that she is competent. Talk about Scotland freed of its shackles and doing all the things people want, rather than the Sturgeon approach of Scotland is shackled so we can't do anything and its Westminster's fault.
Aside from her telling us all she is competent what evidence is there ?
She can’t stand the Greens. That’s a start.
For sure ,, halfway there already. She will need to be loud and clear on independence though.
She is clear that’s what she wants in her video. Like almost everybody else who wants it, however, she has no clear idea how it is to be delivered.
If Forbes wins will the Greens crash the power share arrangement?
Maybe we'll have an interesting Scottish Parliament election to get our teeth into this spring?
Wouldn't that be exciting?
If Forbes wins, hopefully the SNP will crash the power share agreement. If Forbes wins, will they still be any point in Alba continuing?
Two good points to consider.
I can’t see any future SNP that would provide a platform for Hanvey, MacAskilll and Tasmina, let alone Eck, so Alba may stagger on as an ego trip if nothing else.
Unless the next leader is stupid , for Holyrood you want a second string to prevent the London parties winning all eth list seats , only stupidity of Sturgeon with her SNP 1,2 stopped that last time. She preferred having lots of unionists to another indepence parties MSP's. Smart leader required.
Hi Malc, who will you be backing for the leadership?
Why is the Government getting involved in how private organisations conduct their affairs?
I don't think Rishi is that much of a market fundamentalist. And anyway I don't think he's getting involved, merely offering an opinion. A subtle difference which seems to be lost nowadays.
Why does he have an opinion? He should stay out of how private companies choose to operate. If they want to be "woke" then that's up to them.
And should there be a forced silence from politicians if businesses choose to be 'unwoke'?
Forced ?
Okay let's use the word principled. Is it okay for politicians to ever offer opinions on how businesses operate their affairs?
Sure it is. I think in this case, Sunak’s opinion is just irrelevant pandering to a particular audience, but no reason he can’t do that.
I took CHB’s comment as his opinion on what Sunak ought to do, which is also fair enough.
Spectator type Unionist Tories are (genuinely) scared of Kate Forbes, partly because she is photogenic, clever, eloquent, Cambridge educated etc
But they are also scared of her because, well, she is a Tory. Church going, quite traditional, and economically truly conservative. A sane Liz Truss in tartan, a Scottish Thatcher, who will run Scotland rather well, increasing the appeal of Indy
But what frightens British Tories might also frighten a lot of Scots, in the opposite direction. We keep being told Scotland is to the left of England. If Forbes becomes FM, that hypothesis will be severely tested
The Tories should be grateful. It was the SNP that put Thatcher in office.
Anyone who thinks Scotland is to the left of England should visit Scotland and educate themselves.
You shouldnn't be;lieve that old canard about the Tories. It was Labour who put Mrs T in office, by being crap, as I well remember. And as Jim Callaghan himself said.
All 11 SNP MPs voted in favour of Margaret Thatcher's no confidence motion that won by 1 vote and brought down the Labour government. If they hadn't wanted a Tory govt to replace the Labour one, they shouldn't have done that.
If even a single SNP MP had abstained, Thatcher would have lost the vote. They knew what they were doing.
The 40% rule in the Scottish devolution referendum earlier that month was certainly a huge error. I hope there's never another rule of that kind in any future referendum.
Just as if even a single Liberal MP had abstained, Thatcher would have lost the vote. They seem to have a habit of besmirching themselves with cooperating with Tories though.
Strategically 11 years of Thatcher after Labour fcking about with the devolution bill was probably the best thing ever for indy, though I'm not crediting Gordon Wilson with any foresight. There'll never be a Feeble Fifty let alone a Feeble Forty again.
If Forbes wins will the Greens crash the power share arrangement?
Maybe we'll have an interesting Scottish Parliament election to get our teeth into this spring?
Wouldn't that be exciting?
If Forbes wins, hopefully the SNP will crash the power share agreement. If Forbes wins, will they still be any point in Alba continuing?
Two good points to consider.
I can’t see any future SNP that would provide a platform for Hanvey, MacAskilll and Tasmina, let alone Eck, so Alba may stagger on as an ego trip if nothing else.
Unless the next leader is stupid , for Holyrood you want a second string to prevent the London parties winning all eth list seats , only stupidity of Sturgeon with her SNP 1,2 stopped that last time. She preferred having lots of unionists to another indepence parties MSP's. Smart leader required.
I can see some Alba top liners being tempted back by Forbes. And running a mile from Yousaf.
Ooh, so they did tip off the Russkies. The official ones at least.
Fair play to everyone involved in that operation, impressive that they were prepared to do things so differently to the very tight and paranoid movement of the President that usually happens.
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"If I had believed in all their policies, I would have been passionately committed to keeping out of the Common Market, and passionately committed to going into it. I would have been utterly convinced of the rightness of nationalising steel. And of denationalising it and renationalising it. On capital punishment, I'd have been a fervent retentionist and an ardent abolishionist. I would've been a Keynesian and a Friedmanite, a grammar school preserver and destroyer, a nationalisation freak and a privatisation maniac; but above all, I would have been a stark, staring, raving schizophrenic."
have you seen the state of Scotlands finances ? And she's been in charge of them.
Kate Peron
So SKS is a Tory
Forbes is a Tory
Karl Marx is a Tory
etc.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-targets-netherlands-north-sea-infrastructure-says-dutch-intelligence-2023-02-20/
Since it was after the cold war, they had opened the files up, so we could all look.
I especially remember the estimates for Troll B - a Russian 65cm torpedo was predicated to barely dent one of the legs in a contact explosion. For the conventional model. The nuclear version would destroy one leg, and smash up the topsides and render it all radioactive - but the other legs would probably survive!
And this is basically proved by PBs most headbanger Tories hailing Forbes as the next Margaret Thatcher, and playing down her illiberal values as no problem at all.
Maybe we'll have an interesting Scottish Parliament election to get our teeth into this spring?
Wouldn't that be exciting?
Personally, I like it....
Non observant Catholic, Celtic supporting non SNP member pal: I’d vote for Forbes because she’s a ride.
There is a very fundamental difference between the pro-business "Salmondite" approach and Toryism. Salmond and I assume Forbes are pro-business because they want to enrich the nation. Today's Tory party is pro-business because it wants to enrich its spiv donors and patrons.
https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1627655159051350017
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/roald-dahl-censorship-row-matilda-sensitivity-rishi-sunak-gobblefunk-b1061640.html
Also: that assumes SGs don't block the election of a new FM (as they well could given the numbers).
The SNP's opportunity is a new leader who is able to draw support from across the political spectrum. They aren't left or right wing so that is achievable. Sturgeon tested to breaking point how far you can push non-issues over actual issues, so the new leader will have to be focused on jobs and services.
So the threat from Forbes is that she is competent. Talk about Scotland freed of its shackles and doing all the things people want, rather than the Sturgeon approach of Scotland is shackled so we can't do anything and its Westminster's fault.
They'd want to telegraph the reason for that, in advance.
Roman dildo discovered after experts re-examine 2000-year-old wooden phallus found near Hadrian's Wall
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1627650968253870080?t=6D2FNHBKYMUTT9uWv6xLOw&s=19
https://news.sky.com/story/roman-dildo-discovered-after-experts-re-examine-2000-year-old-wooden-phallus-found-near-hadrians-wall-12815732
Edit. Alistair has stuck the whole thing up before me.
… “We gave Biden security guarantees for a visit to Kyiv although we could have threatened him”.
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1627628298065903617
Totally believable.
If Forbes wins, will they still be any point in Alba continuing?
Seems to be quite a bit going round atm.
Feeling fine other than a bit tired/under the weather.
Other 2 are right wing Socialist haters
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-61623669.amp
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/business/4068929/kate-forbes-calls-for-cut-in-fuel-duty-to-save-scottish-families-from-being-plunged-into-poverty/
Do these Tory brexiteers not realise that the Brexit 'dream' is in danger of dying if they don't accept some sort of compromise? We're likely to have a Labour government in less than two years. So what do they think is going to happen. Starmer will do a deal similar to Sunak or even take the UK back into the customs union.
Perhaps they feel the Brexit dream has already died. They just want to fight the EU as they have nothing left to lose.
I know absolutely nothing about any of them. Will watch with interest, but having seen the last Tory contests, presumably the debate risks feeling quite divisive
It stopped raining briefly, but it was January.
If they backslide on the Protocol then it will encourage backsliding on the bonfire bill which imperils their ability to increase the maximum working week and cut health and safety.
Is is a daily run off like the Tory system, with the last two going to the membership?
But as you say, they bought the rights to the work, and are entitled to make fools of themselves.
That’s even sillier than those figures who appear across the media claiming they’ve been ‘silenced’.
If even a single SNP MP had abstained, Thatcher would have lost the vote. They knew what they were doing.
The 40% rule in the Scottish devolution referendum earlier that month was certainly a huge error. I hope there's never another rule of that kind in any future referendum.
A PM getting involved in how books are written feels quite off to me, like something one would expect in a very religious or authoritarian state.
Has he not got enough on his plate on more important things anyway?
Forbes 1.89
Yousaf 3.05
Regan 6.2
Any views? Anyone betting on this?
I'm tempted to back Regan. I have a cheeky £1 on Cherry at 100.
I think in this case, Sunak’s opinion is just irrelevant pandering to a particular audience, but no reason he can’t do that.
I took CHB’s comment as his opinion on what Sunak ought to do, which is also fair enough.
Strategically 11 years of Thatcher after Labour fcking about with the devolution bill was probably the best thing ever for indy, though I'm not crediting Gordon Wilson with any foresight. There'll never be a Feeble Fifty let alone a Feeble Forty again.
https://twitter.com/_KateForbes/status/1627624249069371392?s=20
Fair play to everyone involved in that operation, impressive that they were prepared to do things so differently to the very tight and paranoid movement of the President that usually happens.