Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
Your 'likes' read like a Brexiteers convention
I am obviously on there to give some diversity then (don't let the facts get in the way eh Rog?)
Surprised to see you on there to be honest, quite disappointed you'd defend the actions of a bully.
I don't like a lot of his view CBH, and I have have always thought you to be a decent chap, and on the basis of what I read would rather have a beer with you than him.... Don't agree with you on this though. Give it up, you have given him as much shit as he has given you and you should leave it there IMO.
Nigel there are plenty of posters on here who I disagree with like HYUFD who don't make others feel stupid or condescend them in literally every post. That is what Casino does.
It's incredibly grating and I find it unnecessary and just plain unkind. I have seen him do it to others and when they fight back he becomes abusive.
You are somebody I respect but I am afraid you have got this one totally wrong.
So if free speech is so important, should people spreading misinformation be silenced or should they be allowed to spread their dangerous output?
That's central to the entire debate on "free speech", isn't it? When does it cross the line into something that should be silenced? And many people will have different views on that.
Well...what are your views?
It's a difficult one. I am not a free speech purist (the old thing about shouting fire in a crowded theatre comes to mind), and think that generally, private companies should be able to set their own rules. But I think preventing speech can also lead to dangers, especially from the state.
But generally, we live in a society, and we all have to muddle along together. If someone's speech threatens someone, or a group, and makes it hard to muddle along together, then that's bad.
So we call all say what we want, within set, well-defined boundaries. We should *try* to be polite and not hurt the feelings of other people, but I don't think politeness and hurt feelings are worth restricting speech.
So if free speech is so important, should people spreading misinformation be silenced or should they be allowed to spread their dangerous output?
They should be free to say* it, of course.
Responsible media should not report unsubstantiated views of one person about things like this, though, particularly not when the person has no particular reason to be thought a good authority on this.
If the head of the RCP comes out with something like this then it probably should be reported, along with his/her subsequent sacking. It was correct to report on Wakefield's paper for example (although incorrect for the Lancet to publish it - they should have done a better job). But random doc (even one with a high profile, TV GP etc) spouting unsubstantiated nonsense should not be presented as viable fact.
*which certainly includes own website, PB, and even Twitter and the like - although the latter clearly has dangers, allowing the posting and simply flagging it as dubious or disputed is, imho, the right balance.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
I think you might find it hard to find many other cardiologists who would share this view, which does not necessarily make him wrong in his analysis, just that he is very unlikely to be, or that the halting of the rollout would kill more people than those that might appear to have suffered cardiac arrest either coincidentally or in consequence. It is also important to note that just because someone is a cardiologist does not make them immune to being a nutjob. There are a lot of cardiologists in the world, and having met a lot of them I would say only a few are in the slightest bit normal.
In what way are they not normal? Is their manner too hearty?
You always BEAT me to it on puns
I oughta given how much I practice.
You seem to always have the pulse of PB when it comes to such matters
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Experts are often wrong, if they're just guessing or extrapolating from personal experience and not using evidence. I've not infrequently found that the evidence does not support my original hypothesis about how things work. Even things that are widely 'known' I've sometimes found to not be true when you actually look at the data.
There have been many times when doctors have wanted research into something where they think they are seeing a trend or an effect and a proper study finds that it simply is not there. Most of the doctors I have worked with have been quite happy and accepting of that outcome. A minority prefer to ignore the evidence.
ETA: And sample/observation bias, of course. An ICU nurse friend was completely freaked out ove Covid and wanted everyone locked down completely for as long as possible, because she saw lots of young healthy people dying/almost dying from Covid. Of course, she never saw the young healthy people for whom Covid was no big deal. Cardiac specialists see a lot of people with heart problems, the vast majority of whom will have had a Covid vaccine and, if young, most likely an mRNA vaccine.
Well of all the crazy things I've heard on PB that must be the craziest. Someone who is a practitioner in the field is the expert and arbiter of all matters surrounding that field. Dissent or questioning, far less criticism, will not be tolerated.
Surely the issue here is that it has already been shown that the data he is quoting is flawed. I have no idea whether there is a problem with the mRNA vaccines or not. I am in no position at all to judge. But along with others I am in a position to judge general validity of the data that is being presented. Including people who very clearly died from other causes or who fall outside the range of cases that are supposed to be studied (because of age etc) shows that there is a valid question to be asked about the collection and interpretation of the data. This has to bring his judgement into question.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
He is, but he is overly sensitive. These promised flounces come round every so often but the good news is that he generally comes back.
Oh I agree. I just think that given CHBs history on here and the support he has been shown in times of trouble from across the political spectrum he should be a little more reasonable with other posters. Sticking the boot in in the way he did was what I would expect from Malcolm not CHB.
To use the old mean parental comment. I am not angry, just disappointed.
Richard you've clearly not been here when Casino has told other posters to go fuck themselves. Or call them all trolls.
Every single post he sends to me implies I am an idiot or stupid. He posts entirely to put other people down, that is what bullies do.
I stand by everything I said - and if you can't accept that then I am afraid that is on you not me.
CHB mate. Noted psychologist as I am I think it would be reasonable to say (because they have told us) that the mental health of several posters on here has been affected by various issues, covid, lockdown, etc and have as a result they have had a challenging time.
When someone is affected by such a condition or in such a state then their behaviour becomes both erratic and impulsive.
Manifestations of such behaviour might include telling people to go fuck themselves or announcing to all and sundry at 4pm that they are drunk. Or worrying out loud that in Bangkok the beautiful women on the street might not be all they seem.
Such manifestations aren't polite or to order or even sometimes acceptable. Because they are manifestations of a condition.
I would hope you won't take anyone's posts at face value because on PB that way ruin lies.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
I think you might find it hard to find many other cardiologists who would share this view, which does not necessarily make him wrong in his analysis, just that he is very unlikely to be, or that the halting of the rollout would kill more people than those that might appear to have suffered cardiac arrest either coincidentally or in consequence. It is also important to note that just because someone is a cardiologist does not make them immune to being a nutjob. There are a lot of cardiologists in the world, and having met a lot of them I would say only a few are in the slightest bit normal.
In what way are they not normal? Is their manner too hearty?
You always BEAT me to it on puns
I oughta given how much I practice.
You seem to always have the pulse of PB when it comes to such matters
Quite some word cloud, from @GoodwinMJ's poll question, what have the Conservatives got right since coming to power? Safe to say voters are grumpy right now.
Weird one in there (if reading it correctly), government getting some credit for getting COVID, much more than supporting Ukraine.
On Ukraine, I don't think its massively controversial to say that its the best thing they have responded to, ahead of the curve (especially early on). Where as COVID was shall we say mixed, and they now get incoming from a sections of the public saying they were doing too much locking down, when at the time the arguments were about if they were being too slow to do so.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Experts are often wrong, if they're just guessing or extrapolating from personal experience and not using evidence. I've not infrequently found that the evidence does not support my original hypothesis about how things work. Even things that are widely 'known' I've sometimes found to not be true when you actually look at the data.
There have been many times when doctors have wanted research into something where they think they are seeing a trend or an effect and a proper study finds that it simply is not there. Most of the doctors I have worked with have been quite happy and accepting of that outcome. A minority prefer to ignore the evidence.
ETA: And sample/observation bias, of course. An ICU nurse friend was completely freaked out ove Covid and wanted everyone locked down completely for as long as possible, because she saw lots of young healthy people dying/almost dying from Covid. Of course, she never saw the young healthy people for whom Covid was no big deal. Cardiac specialists see a lot of people with heart problems, the vast majority of whom will have had a Covid vaccine and, if young, most likely an mRNA vaccine.
Well of all the crazy things I've heard on PB that must be the craziest. Someone who is a practitioner in the field is the expert and arbiter of all matters surrounding that field. Dissent or questioning, far less criticism will not be tolerated.
If that's your reading then you must possess one of the strangest sets of reading glasses of anyone on PB.
So you are saying that someone who has spent their working life in a particular field, and has opinions about that particular field, can BE WRONG about that field?
Well I never.
Yes. Is that controversial?
Part of the joy of science is finding out that what you took to be true is not true and there is some other explanation.
If it were not true, there would be no point in doing studies, would there? We'd just ask the nearest expert what to do. Which is, of course, what we did early on in Covid, leading to surface contact being fingered as the likely vector, hand washing essential and prolonged airbourne presence of the virus discounted (all of which were later found to be incorrect with actual evidence).
(Or is my irony meter in bad need of adjustment regarding your posts?)
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
Your 'likes' read like a Brexiteers convention
I am obviously on there to give some diversity then (don't let the facts get in the way eh Rog?)
Surprised to see you on there to be honest, quite disappointed you'd defend the actions of a bully.
I don't like a lot of his view CBH, and I have have always thought you to be a decent chap, and on the basis of what I read would rather have a beer with you than him.... Don't agree with you on this though. Give it up, you have given him as much shit as he has given you and you should leave it there IMO.
Nigel there are plenty of posters on here who I disagree with like HYUFD who don't make others feel stupid or condescend them in literally every post. That is what Casino does.
It's incredibly grating and I find it unnecessary and just plain unkind. I have seen him do it to others and when they fight back he becomes abusive.
You are somebody I respect but I am afraid you have got this one totally wrong.
Fair point, and I have seen some of those posts, but have you thought that maybe the way to deal with it is to maybe rise above it, or hit back (as you do)? Calling on another regular poster to leave seems a little harsh does it not? I mean, I can think of one that would not be missed by me, but I still wouldn't encourage him to leave.
CHB mate. Noted psychologist as I am I think it would be reasonable to say (because they have told us) that the mental health of several posters on here has been affected by various issues, covid, lockdown, etc and have as a result they have had a challenging time.
When someone is affected by such a condition or in such a state then their behaviour becomes both erratic and impulsive.
Manifestations of such behaviour might include telling people to go fuck themselves or announcing to all and sundry at 4pm that they are drunk. Or worrying out loud that in Bangkok the beautiful women on the street might not be all they seem.
Such manifestations aren't polite or to order or even sometimes acceptable. Because they are manifestations of a condition.
I would hope you won't take anyone's posts at face value because on PB that way ruin lies.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Experts are often wrong, if they're just guessing or extrapolating from personal experience and not using evidence. I've not infrequently found that the evidence does not support my original hypothesis about how things work. Even things that are widely 'known' I've sometimes found to not be true when you actually look at the data.
There have been many times when doctors have wanted research into something where they think they are seeing a trend or an effect and a proper study finds that it simply is not there. Most of the doctors I have worked with have been quite happy and accepting of that outcome. A minority prefer to ignore the evidence.
ETA: And sample/observation bias, of course. An ICU nurse friend was completely freaked out ove Covid and wanted everyone locked down completely for as long as possible, because she saw lots of young healthy people dying/almost dying from Covid. Of course, she never saw the young healthy people for whom Covid was no big deal. Cardiac specialists see a lot of people with heart problems, the vast majority of whom will have had a Covid vaccine and, if young, most likely an mRNA vaccine.
Well of all the crazy things I've heard on PB that must be the craziest. Someone who is a practitioner in the field is the expert and arbiter of all matters surrounding that field. Dissent or questioning, far less criticism, will not be tolerated.
Surely the issue here is that it has already been shown that the data he is quoting is flawed. I have no idea whether there is a problem with the mRNA vaccines or not. I am in no position at all to judge. But along with others I am in a position to judge general validity of the data that is being presented. Including people who very clearly died from other causes or who fall outside the range of cases that are supposed to be studied (because of age etc) shows that there is a valid question to be asked about the collection and interpretation of the data. This has to bring his judgement into question.
'"Man abducted by elves?" The man in question being known to owe Chrysoprase the troll two thousand dollars, last seen buying a very fast horse?'
'That's him,' said Dibbler.
'Where do the elves come in?'
'Well, he might have been abducted by elves,' said Dibbler. 'It could happen to anyone.'
(Probably mis) quoted from Terry Pratchett's The Truth.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Experts are often wrong, if they're just guessing or extrapolating from personal experience and not using evidence. I've not infrequently found that the evidence does not support my original hypothesis about how things work. Even things that are widely 'known' I've sometimes found to not be true when you actually look at the data.
There have been many times when doctors have wanted research into something where they think they are seeing a trend or an effect and a proper study finds that it simply is not there. Most of the doctors I have worked with have been quite happy and accepting of that outcome. A minority prefer to ignore the evidence.
ETA: And sample/observation bias, of course. An ICU nurse friend was completely freaked out ove Covid and wanted everyone locked down completely for as long as possible, because she saw lots of young healthy people dying/almost dying from Covid. Of course, she never saw the young healthy people for whom Covid was no big deal. Cardiac specialists see a lot of people with heart problems, the vast majority of whom will have had a Covid vaccine and, if young, most likely an mRNA vaccine.
Well of all the crazy things I've heard on PB that must be the craziest. Someone who is a practitioner in the field is the expert and arbiter of all matters surrounding that field. Dissent or questioning, far less criticism, will not be tolerated.
Surely the issue here is that it has already been shown that the data he is quoting is flawed. I have no idea whether there is a problem with the mRNA vaccines or not. I am in no position at all to judge. But along with others I am in a position to judge general validity of the data that is being presented. Including people who very clearly died from other causes or who fall outside the range of cases that are supposed to be studied (because of age etc) shows that there is a valid question to be asked about the collection and interpretation of the data. This has to bring his judgement into question.
Yeah as I said I haven't looked at the data in such detail. If he is saying that Pele died as a result of the mRNA vaccine then I would have to put my critical thinking hat on and conclude: unlikely.
I was more interested in the concept of vaccine hesitancy as it is one of those topics on PB for which there can only be one line (cf Russia's invasion of Ukraine).
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
Your 'likes' read like a Brexiteers convention
The right wing bully brigade flocks to these posts like a fly to a shit
They're a block vote that's for sure. I think you can takecomfort from the fact that at least three or four of the usual suspects weren't prepared to add their names and one or two were clearly alter egos
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Experts are often wrong, if they're just guessing or extrapolating from personal experience and not using evidence. I've not infrequently found that the evidence does not support my original hypothesis about how things work. Even things that are widely 'known' I've sometimes found to not be true when you actually look at the data.
There have been many times when doctors have wanted research into something where they think they are seeing a trend or an effect and a proper study finds that it simply is not there. Most of the doctors I have worked with have been quite happy and accepting of that outcome. A minority prefer to ignore the evidence.
ETA: And sample/observation bias, of course. An ICU nurse friend was completely freaked out ove Covid and wanted everyone locked down completely for as long as possible, because she saw lots of young healthy people dying/almost dying from Covid. Of course, she never saw the young healthy people for whom Covid was no big deal. Cardiac specialists see a lot of people with heart problems, the vast majority of whom will have had a Covid vaccine and, if young, most likely an mRNA vaccine.
Well of all the crazy things I've heard on PB that must be the craziest. Someone who is a practitioner in the field is the expert and arbiter of all matters surrounding that field. Dissent or questioning, far less criticism will not be tolerated.
If that's your reading then you must possess one of the strangest sets of reading glasses of anyone on PB.
So you are saying that someone who has spent their working life in a particular field, and has opinions about that particular field, can BE WRONG about that field?
Well I never.
Yes. Is that controversial?
Part of the joy of science is finding out that what you took to be true is not true and there is some other explanation.
If it were not true, there would be no point in doing studies, would there? We'd just ask the nearest expert what to do. Which is, of course, what we did early on in Covid, leading to surface contact being fingered as the likely vector, hand washing essential and prolonged airbourne presence of the virus discounted (all of which were later found to be incorrect with actual evidence).
(Or is my irony meter in bad need of adjustment regarding your posts?)
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
He is, but he is overly sensitive. These promised flounces come round every so often but the good news is that he generally comes back.
Oh I agree. I just think that given CHBs history on here and the support he has been shown in times of trouble from across the political spectrum he should be a little more reasonable with other posters. Sticking the boot in in the way he did was what I would expect from Malcolm not CHB.
To use the old mean parental comment. I am not angry, just disappointed.
Richard you've clearly not been here when Casino has told other posters to go fuck themselves. Or call them all trolls.
Every single post he sends to me implies I am an idiot or stupid. He posts entirely to put other people down, that is what bullies do.
I stand by everything I said - and if you can't accept that then I am afraid that is on you not me.
Well I am certainly not going to fall out with you on this - I can't afford to lose friends but I do think you have it wrong
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Experts are often wrong, if they're just guessing or extrapolating from personal experience and not using evidence. I've not infrequently found that the evidence does not support my original hypothesis about how things work. Even things that are widely 'known' I've sometimes found to not be true when you actually look at the data.
There have been many times when doctors have wanted research into something where they think they are seeing a trend or an effect and a proper study finds that it simply is not there. Most of the doctors I have worked with have been quite happy and accepting of that outcome. A minority prefer to ignore the evidence.
ETA: And sample/observation bias, of course. An ICU nurse friend was completely freaked out ove Covid and wanted everyone locked down completely for as long as possible, because she saw lots of young healthy people dying/almost dying from Covid. Of course, she never saw the young healthy people for whom Covid was no big deal. Cardiac specialists see a lot of people with heart problems, the vast majority of whom will have had a Covid vaccine and, if young, most likely an mRNA vaccine.
Well of all the crazy things I've heard on PB that must be the craziest. Someone who is a practitioner in the field is the expert and arbiter of all matters surrounding that field. Dissent or questioning, far less criticism will not be tolerated.
If that's your reading then you must possess one of the strangest sets of reading glasses of anyone on PB.
So you are saying that someone who has spent their working life in a particular field, and has opinions about that particular field, can BE WRONG about that field?
Well I never.
Yes. Is that controversial?
Part of the joy of science is finding out that what you took to be true is not true and there is some other explanation.
If it were not true, there would be no point in doing studies, would there? We'd just ask the nearest expert what to do. Which is, of course, what we did early on in Covid, leading to surface contact being fingered as the likely vector, hand washing essential and prolonged airbourne presence of the virus discounted (all of which were later found to be incorrect with actual evidence).
(Or is my irony meter in bad need of adjustment regarding your posts?)
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
I think you might find it hard to find many other cardiologists who would share this view, which does not necessarily make him wrong in his analysis, just that he is very unlikely to be, or that the halting of the rollout would kill more people than those that might appear to have suffered cardiac arrest either coincidentally or in consequence. It is also important to note that just because someone is a cardiologist does not make them immune to being a nutjob. There are a lot of cardiologists in the world, and having met a lot of them I would say only a few are in the slightest bit normal.
In what way are they not normal? Is their manner too hearty?
You always BEAT me to it on puns
I oughta given how much I practice.
You seem to always have the pulse of PB when it comes to such matters
Stop complimenting me, it might make me vein.
I really wish you wouldn't inject your posts with so much nonsense.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
Your 'likes' read like a Brexiteers convention
I am obviously on there to give some diversity then (don't let the facts get in the way eh Rog?)
Surprised to see you on there to be honest, quite disappointed you'd defend the actions of a bully.
I don't like a lot of his view CBH, and I have have always thought you to be a decent chap, and on the basis of what I read would rather have a beer with you than him.... Don't agree with you on this though. Give it up, you have given him as much shit as he has given you and you should leave it there IMO.
A very fair post to CHB.
Back in my sales management days I would tell the reps "when you have closed the sale, close the book and retire quickly".
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
He is, but he is overly sensitive. These promised flounces come round every so often but the good news is that he generally comes back.
Oh I agree. I just think that given CHBs history on here and the support he has been shown in times of trouble from across the political spectrum he should be a little more reasonable with other posters. Sticking the boot in in the way he did was what I would expect from Malcolm not CHB.
To use the old mean parental comment. I am not angry, just disappointed.
Richard you've clearly not been here when Casino has told other posters to go fuck themselves. Or call them all trolls.
Every single post he sends to me implies I am an idiot or stupid. He posts entirely to put other people down, that is what bullies do.
I stand by everything I said - and if you can't accept that then I am afraid that is on you not me.
Well I am certainly not going to fall out with you on this - I can't afford to lose friends but I do think you have it wrong
Let's agree to disagree then, TOPPING made a good post above that has made me reconsider.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Experts are often wrong, if they're just guessing or extrapolating from personal experience and not using evidence. I've not infrequently found that the evidence does not support my original hypothesis about how things work. Even things that are widely 'known' I've sometimes found to not be true when you actually look at the data.
There have been many times when doctors have wanted research into something where they think they are seeing a trend or an effect and a proper study finds that it simply is not there. Most of the doctors I have worked with have been quite happy and accepting of that outcome. A minority prefer to ignore the evidence.
ETA: And sample/observation bias, of course. An ICU nurse friend was completely freaked out ove Covid and wanted everyone locked down completely for as long as possible, because she saw lots of young healthy people dying/almost dying from Covid. Of course, she never saw the young healthy people for whom Covid was no big deal. Cardiac specialists see a lot of people with heart problems, the vast majority of whom will have had a Covid vaccine and, if young, most likely an mRNA vaccine.
Well of all the crazy things I've heard on PB that must be the craziest. Someone who is a practitioner in the field is the expert and arbiter of all matters surrounding that field. Dissent or questioning, far less criticism, will not be tolerated.
Surely the issue here is that it has already been shown that the data he is quoting is flawed. I have no idea whether there is a problem with the mRNA vaccines or not. I am in no position at all to judge. But along with others I am in a position to judge general validity of the data that is being presented. Including people who very clearly died from other causes or who fall outside the range of cases that are supposed to be studied (because of age etc) shows that there is a valid question to be asked about the collection and interpretation of the data. This has to bring his judgement into question.
You only have to look at the AZ blood clot issue - which equates to 2 or 3 deaths per million vaccinations - to see how cautious people have really been about vaccine safety, and what nonsense any talk of a cover-up is.
Quite some word cloud, from @GoodwinMJ's poll question, what have the Conservatives got right since coming to power? Safe to say voters are grumpy right now.
Weird one in there (if reading it correctly), government getting some credit for getting COVID, much more than supporting Ukraine.
On Ukraine, I don't think its massively controversial to say that its the best thing they have responded to, ahead of the curve (especially early on). Where as COVID was shall we say mixed, and they now get incoming from a sections of the public saying they were doing too much locking down, when at the time the arguments were about if they were being too slow to do so.
Who sent him a copy of Team America on DVD for Christmas?
I recall that Trump previously suggested another attack by US aircraft in Chinese colours. I makes me think that Trump believes that a literal "false flag" would be all it takes to fool adversary nations, and he's certainly stupid enough for that to be plausible.
Trump is absolutely not stupid
He often appears vague and he is deeply eccentric, and riven with narcissistic personality disorders, but actually stupid? No
Because he thinks outside the box he is often way ahead of his rivals. Cf lab leak
Even here it’s not clear he’s dumb. Taking out the serious military/nuke threat of North Korea with a first strike is a pretty good idea - if it can be done without provoking world war 3 or killing 20 million Koreans
I'm sorry but he is absolutely dumb. Just think of the number of things he has said that is off the wall dumb. My personal favourite was the fact that he thought F35's were actually invisible. I mean it is there to be seen and he said it several times. Let's also not forget the drinking bleach and blowing up hurricanes with atom bombs.
Whether there was a lab leak or not he wasn't saying it because he was inspired. He was saying it because it fitted his agenda.
The only box he is thinking out of is a box of frogs.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Experts are often wrong, if they're just guessing or extrapolating from personal experience and not using evidence. I've not infrequently found that the evidence does not support my original hypothesis about how things work. Even things that are widely 'known' I've sometimes found to not be true when you actually look at the data.
There have been many times when doctors have wanted research into something where they think they are seeing a trend or an effect and a proper study finds that it simply is not there. Most of the doctors I have worked with have been quite happy and accepting of that outcome. A minority prefer to ignore the evidence.
ETA: And sample/observation bias, of course. An ICU nurse friend was completely freaked out ove Covid and wanted everyone locked down completely for as long as possible, because she saw lots of young healthy people dying/almost dying from Covid. Of course, she never saw the young healthy people for whom Covid was no big deal. Cardiac specialists see a lot of people with heart problems, the vast majority of whom will have had a Covid vaccine and, if young, most likely an mRNA vaccine.
Well of all the crazy things I've heard on PB that must be the craziest. Someone who is a practitioner in the field is the expert and arbiter of all matters surrounding that field. Dissent or questioning, far less criticism, will not be tolerated.
Surely the issue here is that it has already been shown that the data he is quoting is flawed. I have no idea whether there is a problem with the mRNA vaccines or not. I am in no position at all to judge. But along with others I am in a position to judge general validity of the data that is being presented. Including people who very clearly died from other causes or who fall outside the range of cases that are supposed to be studied (because of age etc) shows that there is a valid question to be asked about the collection and interpretation of the data. This has to bring his judgement into question.
Yeah as I said I haven't looked at the data in such detail. If he is saying that Pele died as a result of the mRNA vaccine then I would have to put my critical thinking hat on and conclude: unlikely.
I was more interested in the concept of vaccine hesitancy as it is one of those topics on PB for which there can only be one line (cf Russia's invasion of Ukraine).
"Vaccine hesitancy" is one thing; actively campaigning against vaccines on the basis of bogus evidence is quite another.
Mike (rightly in my view) bans posters who indulge in the latter, but (again rightly IMO) is quite happy to accommodate those who simply don't like the idea of vaccines for whatever reason.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
Your 'likes' read like a Brexiteers convention
The right wing bully brigade flocks to these posts like a fly to a shit
They're a block vote that's for sure.
You write that just as if the exact same thing doesn't happen on the other side.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Experts are often wrong, if they're just guessing or extrapolating from personal experience and not using evidence. I've not infrequently found that the evidence does not support my original hypothesis about how things work. Even things that are widely 'known' I've sometimes found to not be true when you actually look at the data.
There have been many times when doctors have wanted research into something where they think they are seeing a trend or an effect and a proper study finds that it simply is not there. Most of the doctors I have worked with have been quite happy and accepting of that outcome. A minority prefer to ignore the evidence.
ETA: And sample/observation bias, of course. An ICU nurse friend was completely freaked out ove Covid and wanted everyone locked down completely for as long as possible, because she saw lots of young healthy people dying/almost dying from Covid. Of course, she never saw the young healthy people for whom Covid was no big deal. Cardiac specialists see a lot of people with heart problems, the vast majority of whom will have had a Covid vaccine and, if young, most likely an mRNA vaccine.
Well of all the crazy things I've heard on PB that must be the craziest. Someone who is a practitioner in the field is the expert and arbiter of all matters surrounding that field. Dissent or questioning, far less criticism, will not be tolerated.
Surely the issue here is that it has already been shown that the data he is quoting is flawed. I have no idea whether there is a problem with the mRNA vaccines or not. I am in no position at all to judge. But along with others I am in a position to judge general validity of the data that is being presented. Including people who very clearly died from other causes or who fall outside the range of cases that are supposed to be studied (because of age etc) shows that there is a valid question to be asked about the collection and interpretation of the data. This has to bring his judgement into question.
Yeah as I said I haven't looked at the data in such detail. If he is saying that Pele died as a result of the mRNA vaccine then I would have to put my critical thinking hat on and conclude: unlikely.
I was more interested in the concept of vaccine hesitancy as it is one of those topics on PB for which there can only be one line (cf Russia's invasion of Ukraine).
There is evidence for (apparently mostly short lived) heart inflammation related to the mRNA vaccines, for what it's worth (I don't think there's been much study of the other Covid vaccines - partly due to a lack of use in many of the studies' populations, I suspect). I was very slightly involved in one such study in the UK. The FDA and EMA have much more.
Given the availability of decent (but not hugely dramatic) studies, it's odd that Malhotra wants to push the bullshit one.
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Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
Your 'likes' read like a Brexiteers convention
What an odd obsession to read people's likes. Hope you didn't have me down as a Brexiteer.
Who sent him a copy of Team America on DVD for Christmas?
I recall that Trump previously suggested another attack by US aircraft in Chinese colours. I makes me think that Trump believes that a literal "false flag" would be all it takes to fool adversary nations, and he's certainly stupid enough for that to be plausible.
Trump is absolutely not stupid
He often appears vague and he is deeply eccentric, and riven with narcissistic personality disorders, but actually stupid? No
Because he thinks outside the box he is often way ahead of his rivals. Cf lab leak
Even here it’s not clear he’s dumb. Taking out the serious military/nuke threat of North Korea with a first strike is a pretty good idea - if it can be done without provoking world war 3 or killing 20 million Koreans
I'm sorry but he is absolutely dumb. Just think of the number of things he has said that is off the wall dumb. My personal favourite was the fact that he thought F35's were actually invisible. I mean it is there to be seen and he said it several times. Let's also not forget the drinking bleach and blowing up hurricanes with atom bombs.
Whether there was a lab leak or not he wasn't saying it because he was inspired. He was saying it because it fitted his agenda.
The only box he is thinking out of is a box of frogs.
In some ways I think he is smart. Or at least cunning. And good at manipulating some people. But also, like you say, very stupid. Unless the stupidity is feigned and just part of the manipulation...
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Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
Your 'likes' read like a Brexiteers convention
What an odd obsession to read people's likes. Hope you didn't have me down as a Brexiteer.
He seems to have put me down as one. It's no problem though, I have always put him down as a twat.
A solicitor has defended a client accused of "aggressive driving", by arguing that his client has two holes for his anus.
Solicitor Michael Kelleher's client, a carpet-fitter, was charged with driving without due care and attention, when he mounted a kerb and almost hit three men.
The men were standing outside the Castle Inn in Pembroke, Wales, when they saw the carpet-fitter's white van heading towards them. Prosecutor Nia James told Haverfordwest magistrates that although the van narrowly missed the men, "it was travelling too quickly and they could have been seriously hurt."
"This was aggressive driving," James said, adding that other witnesses also expressed concern over the manner of the driving, according to a report in the Western Telegraph.
Kelleher, defending his client said: “This is a hard-working man albeit with a very awkward physical problem. It’s very difficult to think of a way of describing his problem, other than he has two holes for his anus instead of one.”
Kelleher told the magistrates that his client was in the area for a job, and "didn’t know his way around," and ended up driving the wrong way down a road. "This certainly wasn’t aggressive driving but a momentary lapse of concentration.”
The client pleaded guilty to the charge of driving in a public place without due care and attention, and was fined a total of £317.
RollOnFriday contacted Kelleher's firm for comment, but it seems to have taken the Buckingham Palace approach of "never explain", when it comes to this type of defence.
Quite some word cloud, from @GoodwinMJ's poll question, what have the Conservatives got right since coming to power? Safe to say voters are grumpy right now.
Weird one in there (if reading it correctly), government getting some credit for getting COVID, much more than supporting Ukraine.
On Ukraine, I don't think its massively controversial to say that its the best thing they have responded to, ahead of the curve (especially early on). Where as COVID was shall we say mixed, and they now get incoming from a sections of the public saying they were doing too much locking down, when at the time the arguments were about if they were being too slow to do so.
Absolutely. The Covid response was a typical European mixture of good stuff and bad stuff. But on Ukraine, I well remember those flight trackers back in January and February showing planes from UK military airfields to Ukraine bypassing German airspace. We were readying for war while most of the West remained in denial.
The Ukraine response is the one thing I am happy to give Johnson credit for. I’d like to think a future Starmer led labour government would be every bit as solid on this. Corbyn, not so much.
Trump and Elon are both morons who have got exceptionally lucky.
I think I disagree with this, to a limit. Just as there are many forms of intelligence, there are many forms of dumbness, and people can be 'intelligent' and knowledgeable in one area, and dumb in others.
In fact, we're all dumb in some areas. It's just that we often see the dumbness of figures who are in the public eye.
Neither Trump or Musk are morons. But like all of us, they can do moronic things at times. And because of their position, their moronic actions matter.
Who sent him a copy of Team America on DVD for Christmas?
I recall that Trump previously suggested another attack by US aircraft in Chinese colours. I makes me think that Trump believes that a literal "false flag" would be all it takes to fool adversary nations, and he's certainly stupid enough for that to be plausible.
Trump is absolutely not stupid
He often appears vague and he is deeply eccentric, and riven with narcissistic personality disorders, but actually stupid? No
Because he thinks outside the box he is often way ahead of his rivals. Cf lab leak
Even here it’s not clear he’s dumb. Taking out the serious military/nuke threat of North Korea with a first strike is a pretty good idea - if it can be done without provoking world war 3 or killing 20 million Koreans
I'm sorry but he is absolutely dumb. Just think of the number of things he has said that is off the wall dumb. My personal favourite was the fact that he thought F35's were actually invisible. I mean it is there to be seen and he said it several times. Let's also not forget the drinking bleach and blowing up hurricanes with atom bombs.
Whether there was a lab leak or not he wasn't saying it because he was inspired. He was saying it because it fitted his agenda.
The only box he is thinking out of is a box of frogs.
In some ways I think he is smart. Or at least cunning. And good at manipulating some people. But also, like you say, very stupid. Unless the stupidity is feigned and just part of the manipulation...
Maybe it is a multi-bluff. A man who thinks he is not stupid, but is stupid, who makes out he is stupid in order that people think he can't be that stupid, when in fact, he is just, well, stupid.
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Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
He is, but he is overly sensitive. These promised flounces come round every so often but the good news is that he generally comes back.
Except he hasn't flounced, you can check his previous comments. That was just made up.
No it isn't.
He made the threat in one of his responses to one of my "partisan troll" posts around an hour ago. He's probably on ConHome as we speak. wishing he wasn't.
A solicitor has defended a client accused of "aggressive driving", by arguing that his client has two holes for his anus.
Solicitor Michael Kelleher's client, a carpet-fitter, was charged with driving without due care and attention, when he mounted a kerb and almost hit three men.
The men were standing outside the Castle Inn in Pembroke, Wales, when they saw the carpet-fitter's white van heading towards them. Prosecutor Nia James told Haverfordwest magistrates that although the van narrowly missed the men, "it was travelling too quickly and they could have been seriously hurt."
"This was aggressive driving," James said, adding that other witnesses also expressed concern over the manner of the driving, according to a report in the Western Telegraph.
Kelleher, defending his client said: “This is a hard-working man albeit with a very awkward physical problem. It’s very difficult to think of a way of describing his problem, other than he has two holes for his anus instead of one.”
Kelleher told the magistrates that his client was in the area for a job, and "didn’t know his way around," and ended up driving the wrong way down a road. "This certainly wasn’t aggressive driving but a momentary lapse of concentration.”
The client pleaded guilty to the charge of driving in a public place without due care and attention, and was fined a total of £317.
RollOnFriday contacted Kelleher's firm for comment, but it seems to have taken the Buckingham Palace approach of "never explain", when it comes to this type of defence.
Was it because after sitting with Kelleher and another lawyer for a few minutes, he walked off saying "I can't stand it any more with these 2 arseholes!"
So if free speech is so important, should people spreading misinformation be silenced or should they be allowed to spread their dangerous output?
They should be challenged with the evidence. The best way to deal with Nick Griffin was to have him on Question Time. In the current case you have someone with authority (a medic, a cardiologist, presumably a reasonably successful one) who is misusing statistics (at best mistakenly) and anecdote (he retweets other medics who share his beliefs - not hard to find on twitter). This means on twitter people assume he knows what he is talking about ("he's an expert") and they are not always able to see what his data may be rubbish. This extends to the media. Interviews by news anchors will not flush out the fine details.
I don't know why he is doing what he is doing. I will say this though, a fair number of scientists, medics etc rose to prominence through covid. Many of them have developed a vast army of sycophants. I think its become like a drug for some of them, and this is not helping.
Last week the Guardian published an article under the tag "with Covid cases soaring...". I challenged this on twitter as the data (Zoe, ONS and other places) suggested a modest rise at best. My post was descended upon by the covid twitter. And yet, and yet a day or two later the Guardian quietly changed the headline, as covid cases were not in fact soaring. I was right, the twitter idiots wrong, but that cuts no ice.
Who sent him a copy of Team America on DVD for Christmas?
I recall that Trump previously suggested another attack by US aircraft in Chinese colours. I makes me think that Trump believes that a literal "false flag" would be all it takes to fool adversary nations, and he's certainly stupid enough for that to be plausible.
Trump is absolutely not stupid
He often appears vague and he is deeply eccentric, and riven with narcissistic personality disorders, but actually stupid? No
Because he thinks outside the box he is often way ahead of his rivals. Cf lab leak
Even here it’s not clear he’s dumb. Taking out the serious military/nuke threat of North Korea with a first strike is a pretty good idea - if it can be done without provoking world war 3 or killing 20 million Koreans
I'm sorry but he is absolutely dumb. Just think of the number of things he has said that is off the wall dumb. My personal favourite was the fact that he thought F35's were actually invisible. I mean it is there to be seen and he said it several times. Let's also not forget the drinking bleach and blowing up hurricanes with atom bombs.
Whether there was a lab leak or not he wasn't saying it because he was inspired. He was saying it because it fitted his agenda.
The only box he is thinking out of is a box of frogs.
Trump is certainly no intellectual.
Yet he don't get to be a billionaire and President of the USA by being dumb
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Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
Your 'likes' read like a Brexiteers convention
What an odd obsession to read people's likes. Hope you didn't have me down as a Brexiteer.
He seems to have put me down as one. It's no problem though, I have always put him down as a twat.
Maybe he is the kind of Remainer for whom everyone else is a Brexiter?
A neighbour of a friend got to that stage. She think anyone who isn't demanding instant rejoin, loudly, all day long, is Nigel Farage. In her mind the Liberal Democrats are Brexiters....
A sort of mirror image of the Brexiters who think that Nigel Farage is a Brussels loving sellout.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
He is, but he is overly sensitive. These promised flounces come round every so often but the good news is that he generally comes back.
Except he hasn't flounced, you can check his previous comments. That was just made up.
No it isn't.
He made the threat in one of his responses to one of my"partisan troll" posts around an hour ago. He's probably on ConHome as we speak. wishing he wasn't.
He is probably considered a bit of a lily-livered lefty on there
Trump and Elon are both morons who have got exceptionally lucky.
I think I disagree with this, to a limit. Just as there are many forms of intelligence, there are many forms of dumbness, and people can be 'intelligent' and knowledgeable in one area, and dumb in others.
In fact, we're all dumb in some areas. It's just that we often see the dumbness of figures who are in the public eye.
Neither Trump or Musk are morons. But like all of us, they can do moronic things at times. And because of their position, their moronic actions matter.
Whatever. The world would nonetheless be a happier place if both of them STFU.
Who sent him a copy of Team America on DVD for Christmas?
I recall that Trump previously suggested another attack by US aircraft in Chinese colours. I makes me think that Trump believes that a literal "false flag" would be all it takes to fool adversary nations, and he's certainly stupid enough for that to be plausible.
Trump is absolutely not stupid
He often appears vague and he is deeply eccentric, and riven with narcissistic personality disorders, but actually stupid? No
Because he thinks outside the box he is often way ahead of his rivals. Cf lab leak
Even here it’s not clear he’s dumb. Taking out the serious military/nuke threat of North Korea with a first strike is a pretty good idea - if it can be done without provoking world war 3 or killing 20 million Koreans
I'm sorry but he is absolutely dumb. Just think of the number of things he has said that is off the wall dumb. My personal favourite was the fact that he thought F35's were actually invisible. I mean it is there to be seen and he said it several times. Let's also not forget the drinking bleach and blowing up hurricanes with atom bombs.
Whether there was a lab leak or not he wasn't saying it because he was inspired. He was saying it because it fitted his agenda.
The only box he is thinking out of is a box of frogs.
Well, I have never seen an F35, which seems pretty conclusive to me. And if they aren't now they will be very shortly, you just make them into giant amoled screens and pipe the view from the other side across.
here's a thing I can very specifically date: April 1 2004, MacUser magazine spoof review of a 3D printer. How we all laughed.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
Your 'likes' read like a Brexiteers convention
What an odd obsession to read people's likes. Hope you didn't have me down as a Brexiteer.
He seems to have put me down as one. It's no problem though, I have always put him down as a twat.
Maybe he is the kind of Remainer for whom everyone else is a Brexiter?
A neighbour of a friend got to that stage. She think anyone who isn't demanding instant rejoin, loudly, all day long, is Nigel Farage. In her mind the Liberal Democrats are Brexiters....
A sort of mirror image of the Brexiters who think that Nigel Farage is a Brussels loving sellout.
I am probably the worst type. I am not remainery enough. I do not wear EU flag underwear and whistle Ode to Joy every morning in the shower
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
He is, but he is overly sensitive. These promised flounces come round every so often but the good news is that he generally comes back.
Except he hasn't flounced, you can check his previous comments. That was just made up.
No it isn't.
He made the threat in one of his responses to one of my "partisan troll" posts around an hour ago. He's probably on ConHome as we speak. wishing he wasn't.
I looked back again and could not find any reference to leaving.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
He is, but he is overly sensitive. These promised flounces come round every so often but the good news is that he generally comes back.
Except he hasn't flounced, you can check his previous comments. That was just made up.
No it isn't.
He made the threat in one of his responses to one of my "partisan troll" posts around an hour ago. He's probably on ConHome as we speak. wishing he wasn't.
I looked back again and could not find any reference to leaving.
Who sent him a copy of Team America on DVD for Christmas?
I recall that Trump previously suggested another attack by US aircraft in Chinese colours. I makes me think that Trump believes that a literal "false flag" would be all it takes to fool adversary nations, and he's certainly stupid enough for that to be plausible.
Trump is absolutely not stupid
He often appears vague and he is deeply eccentric, and riven with narcissistic personality disorders, but actually stupid? No
Because he thinks outside the box he is often way ahead of his rivals. Cf lab leak
Even here it’s not clear he’s dumb. Taking out the serious military/nuke threat of North Korea with a first strike is a pretty good idea - if it can be done without provoking world war 3 or killing 20 million Koreans
I'm sorry but he is absolutely dumb. Just think of the number of things he has said that is off the wall dumb. My personal favourite was the fact that he thought F35's were actually invisible. I mean it is there to be seen and he said it several times. Let's also not forget the drinking bleach and blowing up hurricanes with atom bombs.
Whether there was a lab leak or not he wasn't saying it because he was inspired. He was saying it because it fitted his agenda.
The only box he is thinking out of is a box of frogs.
Trump is certainly no intellectual.
Yet he don't get to be a billionaire and President of the USA by being dumb
Well he did inherit much of his wealth and my understanding is that he is not particularly rated as a businessman and he certainly uses some very unethical business practices to try an increase his wealth and we don't know how much of this is run by others.
I don't have an answer for becoming president without insulting a lot of Americans as being either stupid or corrupt so I won't.
But let me ask you a question hyufd - Do you think an F35 can become invisible? I mean actually invisible rather than stealth. I'm sure you don't. So how stupid does he have to be before you would consider him dumb?
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
Your 'likes' read like a Brexiteers convention
The right wing bully brigade flocks to these posts like a fly to a shit
They're a block vote that's for sure.
You write that just as if the exact same thing doesn't happen on the other side.
I've given you another "like" just to prove we wokerati chaps are even handed.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
He is, but he is overly sensitive. These promised flounces come round every so often but the good news is that he generally comes back.
Except he hasn't flounced, you can check his previous comments. That was just made up.
No it isn't.
He made the threat in one of his responses to one of my "partisan troll" posts around an hour ago. He's probably on ConHome as we speak. wishing he wasn't.
I looked back again and could not find any reference to leaving.
Oh hang on I'll find it for you, or apologise if it turns out I was mistaken.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
Your 'likes' read like a Brexiteers convention
The right wing bully brigade flocks to these posts like a fly to a shit
They're a block vote that's for sure.
You write that just as if the exact same thing doesn't happen on the other side.
I've given you another "like" just to prove we wokerati chaps are even handed.
You have too much of a sense of humour to be part of the wokerati. Unless they have made you an appointment to have it surgically removed?
Who sent him a copy of Team America on DVD for Christmas?
I recall that Trump previously suggested another attack by US aircraft in Chinese colours. I makes me think that Trump believes that a literal "false flag" would be all it takes to fool adversary nations, and he's certainly stupid enough for that to be plausible.
Trump is absolutely not stupid
He often appears vague and he is deeply eccentric, and riven with narcissistic personality disorders, but actually stupid? No
Because he thinks outside the box he is often way ahead of his rivals. Cf lab leak
Even here it’s not clear he’s dumb. Taking out the serious military/nuke threat of North Korea with a first strike is a pretty good idea - if it can be done without provoking world war 3 or killing 20 million Koreans
I'm sorry but he is absolutely dumb. Just think of the number of things he has said that is off the wall dumb. My personal favourite was the fact that he thought F35's were actually invisible. I mean it is there to be seen and he said it several times. Let's also not forget the drinking bleach and blowing up hurricanes with atom bombs.
Whether there was a lab leak or not he wasn't saying it because he was inspired. He was saying it because it fitted his agenda.
The only box he is thinking out of is a box of frogs.
Trump is certainly no intellectual.
Yet he don't get to be a billionaire and President of the USA by being dumb
Well he did inherit much of his wealth and my understanding is that he is not particularly rated as a businessman and he certainly uses some very unethical business practices to try an increase his wealth and we don't know how much of this is run by others.
I don't have an answer for becoming president without insulting a lot of Americans as being either stupid or corrupt so I won't.
But let me ask you a question hyufd - Do you think an F35 can become invisible? I mean actually invisible rather than stealth. I'm sure you don't. So how stupid does he have to be before you would consider him dumb?
"actually invisible rather than stealth" looks to me like an error on your part. If I dress up in camouflage and place myself against a matching background and you can't see me, I am actually invisible to you, purely because of effective stealth.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
Your 'likes' read like a Brexiteers convention
What an odd obsession to read people's likes. Hope you didn't have me down as a Brexiteer.
He seems to have put me down as one. It's no problem though, I have always put him down as a twat.
Maybe he is the kind of Remainer for whom everyone else is a Brexiter?
A neighbour of a friend got to that stage. She think anyone who isn't demanding instant rejoin, loudly, all day long, is Nigel Farage. In her mind the Liberal Democrats are Brexiters....
A sort of mirror image of the Brexiters who think that Nigel Farage is a Brussels loving sellout.
I am probably the worst type. I am not remainery enough. I do not wear EU flag underwear and whistle Ode to Joy every morning in the shower
Wearing EU underwear is soiling The Sacred Flag
Ode to Joy shouldn’t be whistled. Instead, the EU approved version should be played on a HIFi, while you stand in the shower, in full ceremonial dress, head bowed. In joy.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
He is, but he is overly sensitive. These promised flounces come round every so often but the good news is that he generally comes back.
Except he hasn't flounced, you can check his previous comments. That was just made up.
No it isn't.
He made the threat in one of his responses to one of my "partisan troll" posts around an hour ago. He's probably on ConHome as we speak. wishing he wasn't.
I looked back again and could not find any reference to leaving.
Oh hang on I'll find it for you, or apologise if it turns out I was mistaken.
Don't worry, it's here. So it's me who is doing the apologising!
Who sent him a copy of Team America on DVD for Christmas?
I recall that Trump previously suggested another attack by US aircraft in Chinese colours. I makes me think that Trump believes that a literal "false flag" would be all it takes to fool adversary nations, and he's certainly stupid enough for that to be plausible.
Trump is absolutely not stupid
He often appears vague and he is deeply eccentric, and riven with narcissistic personality disorders, but actually stupid? No
Because he thinks outside the box he is often way ahead of his rivals. Cf lab leak
Even here it’s not clear he’s dumb. Taking out the serious military/nuke threat of North Korea with a first strike is a pretty good idea - if it can be done without provoking world war 3 or killing 20 million Koreans
I'm sorry but he is absolutely dumb. Just think of the number of things he has said that is off the wall dumb. My personal favourite was the fact that he thought F35's were actually invisible. I mean it is there to be seen and he said it several times. Let's also not forget the drinking bleach and blowing up hurricanes with atom bombs.
Whether there was a lab leak or not he wasn't saying it because he was inspired. He was saying it because it fitted his agenda.
The only box he is thinking out of is a box of frogs.
Trump is certainly no intellectual.
Yet he don't get to be a billionaire and President of the USA by being dumb
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
He is, but he is overly sensitive. These promised flounces come round every so often but the good news is that he generally comes back.
Except he hasn't flounced, you can check his previous comments. That was just made up.
No it isn't.
He made the threat in one of his responses to one of my "partisan troll" posts around an hour ago. He's probably on ConHome as we speak. wishing he wasn't.
I looked back again and could not find any reference to leaving.
Oh hang on I'll find it for you, or apologise if it turns out I was mistaken.
Don't worry, it's here. So it's me who is doing the apologising!
Bloody hell, there is a lot of apologising going on here. Can we have a moratorium on apologies please. It does somewhat spoil the otherwise unnecessarily bombastic nature of debate that this site is normally renowned for. Whatever next? @Leon making up with @Scott_P ?
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
He is, but he is overly sensitive. These promised flounces come round every so often but the good news is that he generally comes back.
Except he hasn't flounced, you can check his previous comments. That was just made up.
No it isn't.
He made the threat in one of his responses to one of my "partisan troll" posts around an hour ago. He's probably on ConHome as we speak. wishing he wasn't.
I looked back again and could not find any reference to leaving.
Oh hang on I'll find it for you, or apologise if it turns out I was mistaken.
Don't worry, it's here. So it's me who is doing the apologising!
Bloody hell, there is a lot of apologising going on here. Can we have a moratorium on apologies please. It does somewhat spoil the otherwise unnecessarily bombastic nature of debate that this site is normally renowned for. Whatever next? @Leon making up with @Scott_P ?
A solicitor has defended a client accused of "aggressive driving", by arguing that his client has two holes for his anus.
Solicitor Michael Kelleher's client, a carpet-fitter, was charged with driving without due care and attention, when he mounted a kerb and almost hit three men.
The men were standing outside the Castle Inn in Pembroke, Wales, when they saw the carpet-fitter's white van heading towards them. Prosecutor Nia James told Haverfordwest magistrates that although the van narrowly missed the men, "it was travelling too quickly and they could have been seriously hurt."
"This was aggressive driving," James said, adding that other witnesses also expressed concern over the manner of the driving, according to a report in the Western Telegraph.
Kelleher, defending his client said: “This is a hard-working man albeit with a very awkward physical problem. It’s very difficult to think of a way of describing his problem, other than he has two holes for his anus instead of one.”
Kelleher told the magistrates that his client was in the area for a job, and "didn’t know his way around," and ended up driving the wrong way down a road. "This certainly wasn’t aggressive driving but a momentary lapse of concentration.”
The client pleaded guilty to the charge of driving in a public place without due care and attention, and was fined a total of £317.
RollOnFriday contacted Kelleher's firm for comment, but it seems to have taken the Buckingham Palace approach of "never explain", when it comes to this type of defence.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
He is, but he is overly sensitive. These promised flounces come round every so often but the good news is that he generally comes back.
Except he hasn't flounced, you can check his previous comments. That was just made up.
No it isn't.
He made the threat in one of his responses to one of my "partisan troll" posts around an hour ago. He's probably on ConHome as we speak. wishing he wasn't.
I looked back again and could not find any reference to leaving.
Oh hang on I'll find it for you, or apologise if it turns out I was mistaken.
Don't worry, it's here. So it's me who is doing the apologising!
Bloody hell, there is a lot of apologising going on here. Can we have a moratorium on apologies please. It does somewhat spoil the otherwise unnecessarily bombastic nature of debate that this site is normally renowned for. Whatever next? @Leon making up with @Scott_P ?
So if free speech is so important, should people spreading misinformation be silenced or should they be allowed to spread their dangerous output?
They should be challenged with the evidence. The best way to deal with Nick Griffin was to have him on Question Time. In the current case you have someone with authority (a medic, a cardiologist, presumably a reasonably successful one) who is misusing statistics (at best mistakenly) and anecdote (he retweets other medics who share his beliefs - not hard to find on twitter). This means on twitter people assume he knows what he is talking about ("he's an expert") and they are not always able to see what his data may be rubbish. This extends to the media. Interviews by news anchors will not flush out the fine details.
I don't know why he is doing what he is doing. I will say this though, a fair number of scientists, medics etc rose to prominence through covid. Many of them have developed a vast army of sycophants. I think its become like a drug for some of them, and this is not helping.
Last week the Guardian published an article under the tag "with Covid cases soaring...". I challenged this on twitter as the data (Zoe, ONS and other places) suggested a modest rise at best. My post was descended upon by the covid twitter. And yet, and yet a day or two later the Guardian quietly changed the headline, as covid cases were not in fact soaring. I was right, the twitter idiots wrong, but that cuts no ice.
The expression in the US is 'flood the zone with shit'. The sheer volume of disinformation on Twitter makes it humanly impossible to challenge.
A solicitor has defended a client accused of "aggressive driving", by arguing that his client has two holes for his anus.
Solicitor Michael Kelleher's client, a carpet-fitter, was charged with driving without due care and attention, when he mounted a kerb and almost hit three men.
The men were standing outside the Castle Inn in Pembroke, Wales, when they saw the carpet-fitter's white van heading towards them. Prosecutor Nia James told Haverfordwest magistrates that although the van narrowly missed the men, "it was travelling too quickly and they could have been seriously hurt."
"This was aggressive driving," James said, adding that other witnesses also expressed concern over the manner of the driving, according to a report in the Western Telegraph.
Kelleher, defending his client said: “This is a hard-working man albeit with a very awkward physical problem. It’s very difficult to think of a way of describing his problem, other than he has two holes for his anus instead of one.”
Kelleher told the magistrates that his client was in the area for a job, and "didn’t know his way around," and ended up driving the wrong way down a road. "This certainly wasn’t aggressive driving but a momentary lapse of concentration.”
The client pleaded guilty to the charge of driving in a public place without due care and attention, and was fined a total of £317.
RollOnFriday contacted Kelleher's firm for comment, but it seems to have taken the Buckingham Palace approach of "never explain", when it comes to this type of defence.
German state media finally asking some fairly obvious questions
“Russia has made an initial estimate of the cost needed to repair the #NordStream pipeline. That raises the question: Why would Russia undergo the expensive process of repairing their own pipeline if they bombed it themselves? 🤔 #DWBusiness”
Who sent him a copy of Team America on DVD for Christmas?
I recall that Trump previously suggested another attack by US aircraft in Chinese colours. I makes me think that Trump believes that a literal "false flag" would be all it takes to fool adversary nations, and he's certainly stupid enough for that to be plausible.
Trump is absolutely not stupid
He often appears vague and he is deeply eccentric, and riven with narcissistic personality disorders, but actually stupid? No
Because he thinks outside the box he is often way ahead of his rivals. Cf lab leak
Even here it’s not clear he’s dumb. Taking out the serious military/nuke threat of North Korea with a first strike is a pretty good idea - if it can be done without provoking world war 3 or killing 20 million Koreans
I'm sorry but he is absolutely dumb. Just think of the number of things he has said that is off the wall dumb. My personal favourite was the fact that he thought F35's were actually invisible. I mean it is there to be seen and he said it several times. Let's also not forget the drinking bleach and blowing up hurricanes with atom bombs.
Whether there was a lab leak or not he wasn't saying it because he was inspired. He was saying it because it fitted his agenda.
The only box he is thinking out of is a box of frogs.
Trump is certainly no intellectual.
Yet he don't get to be a billionaire and President of the USA by being dumb
Well he did inherit much of his wealth and my understanding is that he is not particularly rated as a businessman and he certainly uses some very unethical business practices to try an increase his wealth and we don't know how much of this is run by others.
I don't have an answer for becoming president without insulting a lot of Americans as being either stupid or corrupt so I won't.
But let me ask you a question hyufd - Do you think an F35 can become invisible? I mean actually invisible rather than stealth. I'm sure you don't. So how stupid does he have to be before you would consider him dumb?
I don't disagree he is not especially bright but he can be sharp in terms of achieving his goals.
In fact I would say only 3 US Presidents in my lifetime (ie the last 40 years) have been of high intelligence, Bush Snr, Clinton and Obama.
Trump is the richest of them of course though as you say much of that inherited
A solicitor has defended a client accused of "aggressive driving", by arguing that his client has two holes for his anus.
Solicitor Michael Kelleher's client, a carpet-fitter, was charged with driving without due care and attention, when he mounted a kerb and almost hit three men.
The men were standing outside the Castle Inn in Pembroke, Wales, when they saw the carpet-fitter's white van heading towards them. Prosecutor Nia James told Haverfordwest magistrates that although the van narrowly missed the men, "it was travelling too quickly and they could have been seriously hurt."
"This was aggressive driving," James said, adding that other witnesses also expressed concern over the manner of the driving, according to a report in the Western Telegraph.
Kelleher, defending his client said: “This is a hard-working man albeit with a very awkward physical problem. It’s very difficult to think of a way of describing his problem, other than he has two holes for his anus instead of one.”
Kelleher told the magistrates that his client was in the area for a job, and "didn’t know his way around," and ended up driving the wrong way down a road. "This certainly wasn’t aggressive driving but a momentary lapse of concentration.”
The client pleaded guilty to the charge of driving in a public place without due care and attention, and was fined a total of £317.
RollOnFriday contacted Kelleher's firm for comment, but it seems to have taken the Buckingham Palace approach of "never explain", when it comes to this type of defence.
A solicitor has defended a client accused of "aggressive driving", by arguing that his client has two holes for his anus.
Solicitor Michael Kelleher's client, a carpet-fitter, was charged with driving without due care and attention, when he mounted a kerb and almost hit three men.
The men were standing outside the Castle Inn in Pembroke, Wales, when they saw the carpet-fitter's white van heading towards them. Prosecutor Nia James told Haverfordwest magistrates that although the van narrowly missed the men, "it was travelling too quickly and they could have been seriously hurt."
"This was aggressive driving," James said, adding that other witnesses also expressed concern over the manner of the driving, according to a report in the Western Telegraph.
Kelleher, defending his client said: “This is a hard-working man albeit with a very awkward physical problem. It’s very difficult to think of a way of describing his problem, other than he has two holes for his anus instead of one.”
Kelleher told the magistrates that his client was in the area for a job, and "didn’t know his way around," and ended up driving the wrong way down a road. "This certainly wasn’t aggressive driving but a momentary lapse of concentration.”
The client pleaded guilty to the charge of driving in a public place without due care and attention, and was fined a total of £317.
RollOnFriday contacted Kelleher's firm for comment, but it seems to have taken the Buckingham Palace approach of "never explain", when it comes to this type of defence.
Who sent him a copy of Team America on DVD for Christmas?
I recall that Trump previously suggested another attack by US aircraft in Chinese colours. I makes me think that Trump believes that a literal "false flag" would be all it takes to fool adversary nations, and he's certainly stupid enough for that to be plausible.
Trump is absolutely not stupid
He often appears vague and he is deeply eccentric, and riven with narcissistic personality disorders, but actually stupid? No
Because he thinks outside the box he is often way ahead of his rivals. Cf lab leak
Even here it’s not clear he’s dumb. Taking out the serious military/nuke threat of North Korea with a first strike is a pretty good idea - if it can be done without provoking world war 3 or killing 20 million Koreans
I'm sorry but he is absolutely dumb. Just think of the number of things he has said that is off the wall dumb. My personal favourite was the fact that he thought F35's were actually invisible. I mean it is there to be seen and he said it several times. Let's also not forget the drinking bleach and blowing up hurricanes with atom bombs.
Whether there was a lab leak or not he wasn't saying it because he was inspired. He was saying it because it fitted his agenda.
The only box he is thinking out of is a box of frogs.
Well, I have never seen an F35, which seems pretty conclusive to me. And if they aren't now they will be very shortly, you just make them into giant amoled screens and pipe the view from the other side across.
here's a thing I can very specifically date: April 1 2004, MacUser magazine spoof review of a 3D printer. How we all laughed.
Nuking hurricanes wasn't his invention either.
That first sentence made me laugh, however you do realise that it has just made me believe in god, fairies, unicorns, and goodness knows what else.
Regarding it may be possible some time in the future to do this stuff, well yes, but he was talking about now. That is like me believing I can use a transporter to get to Australia instantly. We may do it some time in the future, but you would think me extremely stupid if I said we could do it now. StarTrek the documentary.
Yep he wasn't the first to suggest nuking hurricanes. All that means is he also wasn't as imaginative in his utter stupidity. I note one of the other suggestions for getting rid of hurricanes is to fly a plane in the opposite direction to unwind it. I'm no expert but my gut feeling is that won't work either.
PS I'm not saying nuking a hurricane won't work. I have no idea, but I'm guessing there might be some other undesirable side effects. Just saying.
NYT ($) - Trump’s Company Gets Maximum Punishment for Evading Taxes The Trump Organization must pay $1.6 million for giving executive off-the-books benefits and pay.
Former president Donald J. Trump’s family real estate business was ordered on Friday to pay a $1.6 million criminal penalty for its conviction on felony tax fraud and other charges, a stinging rebuke and the maximum possible punishment.
The sentence, handed down by a judge in State Supreme Court in Manhattan, caps a lengthy legal ordeal for Mr. Trump’s company, the Trump Organization, which was convicted in December of doling out off-the-books perks to some of its top executives. One of the executives who orchestrated the scheme, Allen H. Weisselberg, pleaded guilty and testified at the company’s trial. He was sentenced on Tuesday to serve five months at the notorious Rikers Island jail complex.
The financial penalty is a pittance to the company, and the former president, who collected hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue each year while in office. But the verdict branded the company a lawbreaker, exposed a culture that nurtured illegality for years and handed political ammunition to Mr. Trump’s opponents. Prosecutors also continue to press a criminal investigation against the man himself.
The Trump Organization’s lawyers on Friday sought a smaller penalty, pinning the blame on an outside accounting firm, Mazars USA, which they said should have halted the wrongdoing. They also blamed Mr. Weisselberg, who they say carried out the scheme without intending to benefit the Trump Organization. But Joshua Steinglass, a prosecutor in the Manhattan district attorney’s office, argued that the company carried out “a multidimensional scheme to defraud the tax authorities.”
“To avoid detection, they simply falsified the records,” he explained. “This conduct can only be described as egregious,” adding that although the maximum fines may have limited impact on the corporation, “this court should nonetheless impose such fines.”
The judge overseeing the case, Juan Merchan, agreed, imposing the maximum $1.61 million.
“These are arguments that were made throughout the trial,” Justice Merchan said about the defense’s contention that Mazars and Mr. Weisselberg were to blame. “This is not what the evidence has shown, and it is certainly not what the jury found.” . . .
A solicitor has defended a client accused of "aggressive driving", by arguing that his client has two holes for his anus.
Solicitor Michael Kelleher's client, a carpet-fitter, was charged with driving without due care and attention, when he mounted a kerb and almost hit three men.
The men were standing outside the Castle Inn in Pembroke, Wales, when they saw the carpet-fitter's white van heading towards them. Prosecutor Nia James told Haverfordwest magistrates that although the van narrowly missed the men, "it was travelling too quickly and they could have been seriously hurt."
"This was aggressive driving," James said, adding that other witnesses also expressed concern over the manner of the driving, according to a report in the Western Telegraph.
Kelleher, defending his client said: “This is a hard-working man albeit with a very awkward physical problem. It’s very difficult to think of a way of describing his problem, other than he has two holes for his anus instead of one.”
Kelleher told the magistrates that his client was in the area for a job, and "didn’t know his way around," and ended up driving the wrong way down a road. "This certainly wasn’t aggressive driving but a momentary lapse of concentration.”
The client pleaded guilty to the charge of driving in a public place without due care and attention, and was fined a total of £317.
RollOnFriday contacted Kelleher's firm for comment, but it seems to have taken the Buckingham Palace approach of "never explain", when it comes to this type of defence.
Rishi Sunak has said Boris Johnson will stand in his current constituency at the next election after it was reported the former prime minister wanted a safer seat.
The Times reported today that Johnson could agree not to challenge Sunak in exchange for the promise of a safe seat at the next election.
But Sunak dismissed the idea, which had been suggested by friends of the former prime minister.
He told broadcasters during a visit to Scotland: “I think the former prime minister has declared his intention to stand in his current seat in Uxbridge.”
Who sent him a copy of Team America on DVD for Christmas?
I recall that Trump previously suggested another attack by US aircraft in Chinese colours. I makes me think that Trump believes that a literal "false flag" would be all it takes to fool adversary nations, and he's certainly stupid enough for that to be plausible.
Trump is absolutely not stupid
He often appears vague and he is deeply eccentric, and riven with narcissistic personality disorders, but actually stupid? No
Because he thinks outside the box he is often way ahead of his rivals. Cf lab leak
Even here it’s not clear he’s dumb. Taking out the serious military/nuke threat of North Korea with a first strike is a pretty good idea - if it can be done without provoking world war 3 or killing 20 million Koreans
I'm sorry but he is absolutely dumb. Just think of the number of things he has said that is off the wall dumb. My personal favourite was the fact that he thought F35's were actually invisible. I mean it is there to be seen and he said it several times. Let's also not forget the drinking bleach and blowing up hurricanes with atom bombs.
Whether there was a lab leak or not he wasn't saying it because he was inspired. He was saying it because it fitted his agenda.
The only box he is thinking out of is a box of frogs.
Trump is certainly no intellectual.
Yet he don't get to be a billionaire and President of the USA by being dumb
Well he did inherit much of his wealth and my understanding is that he is not particularly rated as a businessman and he certainly uses some very unethical business practices to try an increase his wealth and we don't know how much of this is run by others.
I don't have an answer for becoming president without insulting a lot of Americans as being either stupid or corrupt so I won't.
But let me ask you a question hyufd - Do you think an F35 can become invisible? I mean actually invisible rather than stealth. I'm sure you don't. So how stupid does he have to be before you would consider him dumb?
"actually invisible rather than stealth" looks to me like an error on your part. If I dress up in camouflage and place myself against a matching background and you can't see me, I am actually invisible to you, purely because of effective stealth.
Nope stealth in this context means radar invisible (or partly radar invisible). I can still see the damn thing with my eyes. Trump thought it was invisible even if you were right next to it. An F35 is certainly not invisible if you are in sight of it. Very much not so.
Seattle Times ($) via AP - Bannon’s lawyers ask to quit wall case, citing ‘differences’
Steve Bannon’s lawyers want out of his border-wall fraud case, telling a judge Thursday that he is unwilling to speak with them directly and that they have “irreconcilable” differences about how to proceed.
Bannon, a conservative rabble-rouser and longtime ally of former President Donald Trump, has until a Feb. 28 hearing to find new counsel, Judge Juan Manuel Merchan said. His current lawyers, David Schoen and John Mitchell, must stay on the case until then, the judge said.
“We just have a different view about strategy in the case and recognized that our differences about the approach to the case are irreconcilable,” Schoen said. “His approach could well be the right one, but he deserves a lawyer in sync with his view of the case. It is nothing personal. It is his case, and he should have it handled in the manner he wants.”
Bannon, 69, has pleaded not guilty to duping donors who gave money to build a wall on the southern U.S. border. The case, brought by New York prosecutors in November, is a state-level version of a federal case cut short in 2021 by a presidential pardon.
Bannon is charged with money laundering, conspiracy, fraud and other charges related to the “We Build the Wall” campaign. No trial date has been set, and Merchan questioned whether the lawyer dispute was a delay tactic. The case is effectively on hold while Bannon hires new lawyers and those lawyers get up to speed.
Manhattan prosecutors working in conjunction with the state attorney general’s office allege that although Bannon promised all donations would go to constructing the wall, he was involved in transferring hundreds of thousands of dollars to third-party entities and used them to funnel payments to two other people involved in the scheme.
In another case, Bannon was convicted in July of contempt charges for defying a congressional subpoena from the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol. He was sentenced in October to four months in jail, but remains free while he appeals.
SSI - Who would be the PERFECT lawyer for Steve Bannon? Michael Avenatti!
So if free speech is so important, should people spreading misinformation be silenced or should they be allowed to spread their dangerous output?
They should be challenged with the evidence. The best way to deal with Nick Griffin was to have him on Question Time. In the current case you have someone with authority (a medic, a cardiologist, presumably a reasonably successful one) who is misusing statistics (at best mistakenly) and anecdote (he retweets other medics who share his beliefs - not hard to find on twitter). This means on twitter people assume he knows what he is talking about ("he's an expert") and they are not always able to see what his data may be rubbish. This extends to the media. Interviews by news anchors will not flush out the fine details.
I don't know why he is doing what he is doing. I will say this though, a fair number of scientists, medics etc rose to prominence through covid. Many of them have developed a vast army of sycophants. I think its become like a drug for some of them, and this is not helping.
Last week the Guardian published an article under the tag "with Covid cases soaring...". I challenged this on twitter as the data (Zoe, ONS and other places) suggested a modest rise at best. My post was descended upon by the covid twitter. And yet, and yet a day or two later the Guardian quietly changed the headline, as covid cases were not in fact soaring. I was right, the twitter idiots wrong, but that cuts no ice.
Rishi Sunak has said Boris Johnson will stand in his current constituency at the next election after it was reported the former prime minister wanted a safer seat.
The Times reported today that Johnson could agree not to challenge Sunak in exchange for the promise of a safe seat at the next election.
But Sunak dismissed the idea, which had been suggested by friends of the former prime minister.
He told broadcasters during a visit to Scotland: “I think the former prime minister has declared his intention to stand in his current seat in Uxbridge.”
A solicitor has defended a client accused of "aggressive driving", by arguing that his client has two holes for his anus.
Solicitor Michael Kelleher's client, a carpet-fitter, was charged with driving without due care and attention, when he mounted a kerb and almost hit three men.
The men were standing outside the Castle Inn in Pembroke, Wales, when they saw the carpet-fitter's white van heading towards them. Prosecutor Nia James told Haverfordwest magistrates that although the van narrowly missed the men, "it was travelling too quickly and they could have been seriously hurt."
"This was aggressive driving," James said, adding that other witnesses also expressed concern over the manner of the driving, according to a report in the Western Telegraph.
Kelleher, defending his client said: “This is a hard-working man albeit with a very awkward physical problem. It’s very difficult to think of a way of describing his problem, other than he has two holes for his anus instead of one.”
Kelleher told the magistrates that his client was in the area for a job, and "didn’t know his way around," and ended up driving the wrong way down a road. "This certainly wasn’t aggressive driving but a momentary lapse of concentration.”
The client pleaded guilty to the charge of driving in a public place without due care and attention, and was fined a total of £317.
RollOnFriday contacted Kelleher's firm for comment, but it seems to have taken the Buckingham Palace approach of "never explain", when it comes to this type of defence.
You have to wonder what bearing he thought that had on the case.
He had had two really bad years in a row. A double anus horribilis
When he goes, he must be full of shit than his lawyer.
Surely it would be less, due to his unique evolutionary advantage?
A final thought on the man with two anuses would be whether he farts different notes from each one. Maybe that is the relevance to the case. He crashed because he was unnerved by achieving a tritone with his arseholes?
What does it mean that the word "squaw", which according to Wiktionary derives from a Proto-Algonquian word meaning "(young) woman" is now "offensive", to the extent that the BBC - in reporting the renaming of some places in the USA - is not able to say what those places were previously called?
Should be noted that Goodwin's PP pollster is the only pollster with the Tories under 25% now.
It also has RefUK on 7% and is untested at any previous general election. However even 21% is 7% more than the 14% the Tories were on with PP under Truss
Why Japan is the latest ally moving Biden’s way Key countries finally boost defense commitments amid new threats and a new approach from Washington https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/12/japan-us-kishida-biden-00077803 When President Joe Biden sits down with Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida on Friday, it will mark a major tete-a-tete that could have profound implications for U.S. policy toward a critical part of the globe.
It’s also an opportunity for Biden to underscore how his diplomatic efforts in the face of new geopolitical threats are bringing allies into closer alignment, and delivering in an area where Donald Trump’s sharp-elbowed approach largely failed to achieve results....
...“What Kishida has announced is just as significant as what Scholz did,” said Ian Bremmer, the president of The Eurasia Group, a global risk assessment firm. While the shift is largely precipitated by the changing security environment, he added, “Biden’s leadership has made it easier for Japan to lean in because they know he’s going to be there. Trump has really receded. I’m just not hearing Japanese leaders worried about Trump’s return as they were.”
Who sent him a copy of Team America on DVD for Christmas?
I recall that Trump previously suggested another attack by US aircraft in Chinese colours. I makes me think that Trump believes that a literal "false flag" would be all it takes to fool adversary nations, and he's certainly stupid enough for that to be plausible.
Trump is absolutely not stupid
He often appears vague and he is deeply eccentric, and riven with narcissistic personality disorders, but actually stupid? No
Because he thinks outside the box he is often way ahead of his rivals. Cf lab leak
Even here it’s not clear he’s dumb. Taking out the serious military/nuke threat of North Korea with a first strike is a pretty good idea - if it can be done without provoking world war 3 or killing 20 million Koreans
I'm sorry but he is absolutely dumb. Just think of the number of things he has said that is off the wall dumb. My personal favourite was the fact that he thought F35's were actually invisible. I mean it is there to be seen and he said it several times. Let's also not forget the drinking bleach and blowing up hurricanes with atom bombs.
Whether there was a lab leak or not he wasn't saying it because he was inspired. He was saying it because it fitted his agenda.
The only box he is thinking out of is a box of frogs.
Well, I have never seen an F35, which seems pretty conclusive to me. And if they aren't now they will be very shortly, you just make them into giant amoled screens and pipe the view from the other side across.
here's a thing I can very specifically date: April 1 2004, MacUser magazine spoof review of a 3D printer. How we all laughed.
Nuking hurricanes wasn't his invention either.
That first sentence made me laugh, however you do realise that it has just made me believe in god, fairies, unicorns, and goodness knows what else.
Regarding it may be possible some time in the future to do this stuff, well yes, but he was talking about now. That is like me believing I can use a transporter to get to Australia instantly. We may do it some time in the future, but you would think me extremely stupid if I said we could do it now. StarTrek the documentary.
Yep he wasn't the first to suggest nuking hurricanes. All that means is he also wasn't as imaginative in his utter stupidity. I note one of the other suggestions for getting rid of hurricanes is to fly a plane in the opposite direction to unwind it. I'm no expert but my gut feeling is that won't work either.
PS I'm not saying nuking a hurricane won't work. I have no idea, but I'm guessing there might be some other undesirable side effects. Just saying.
Surely the solution to hurricanes is to find a hurricane (or local lingo equivalent) that spins in the opposite direction (just get one from the other side of the equator, easy) and then nudge the two together?
That poll is also much better in terms of seats for the Tories. Baxtered:
Labour: 519 Tories: 33 Libs: 20 SNP: 54 Plaid: 4
So the Tories easily hold on to 3rd place, fighting off Plaid Cymru, and set themselves up to maybe challenge the SNP as Official Opposition in the 2030s-40s
That’s a much more encouraging poll for the Tories. The slide has almost stopped, the tide is clearly on the turn We will date their comeback from around about now IMHO
An increase of Labour's lead by 3% to 27% 'much more encouraging'? May it continue to be even more 'encouraging'.
That poll is also much better in terms of seats for the Tories. Baxtered:
Labour: 519 Tories: 33 Libs: 20 SNP: 54 Plaid: 4
So the Tories easily hold on to 3rd place, fighting off Plaid Cymru, and set themselves up to maybe challenge the SNP as Official Opposition in the 2030s-40s
The constituency we have recently moved to, Brentwood and Ongar, is fortunately one of the 33
Should be noted that Goodwin's PP pollster is the only pollster with the Tories under 25% now.
It also has RefUK on 7% and is untested at any previous general election. However even 21% is 7% more than the 14% the Tories were on with PP under Truss
That poll is also much better in terms of seats for the Tories. Baxtered:
Labour: 519 Tories: 33 Libs: 20 SNP: 54 Plaid: 4
So the Tories easily hold on to 3rd place, fighting off Plaid Cymru, and set themselves up to maybe challenge the SNP as Official Opposition in the 2030s-40s
The constituency we have recently moved to, Brentwood and Ongar, is fortunately one of the 33
Until you go out canvassing and tell the voters they're not proper Tories, anyway
That poll is also much better in terms of seats for the Tories. Baxtered:
Labour: 519 Tories: 33 Libs: 20 SNP: 54 Plaid: 4
So the Tories easily hold on to 3rd place, fighting off Plaid Cymru, and set themselves up to maybe challenge the SNP as Official Opposition in the 2030s-40s
The constituency we have recently moved to, Brentwood and Ongar, is fortunately one of the 33
Who sent him a copy of Team America on DVD for Christmas?
I recall that Trump previously suggested another attack by US aircraft in Chinese colours. I makes me think that Trump believes that a literal "false flag" would be all it takes to fool adversary nations, and he's certainly stupid enough for that to be plausible.
Trump is absolutely not stupid
He often appears vague and he is deeply eccentric, and riven with narcissistic personality disorders, but actually stupid? No
Because he thinks outside the box he is often way ahead of his rivals. Cf lab leak
Even here it’s not clear he’s dumb. Taking out the serious military/nuke threat of North Korea with a first strike is a pretty good idea - if it can be done without provoking world war 3 or killing 20 million Koreans
I'm sorry but he is absolutely dumb. Just think of the number of things he has said that is off the wall dumb. My personal favourite was the fact that he thought F35's were actually invisible. I mean it is there to be seen and he said it several times. Let's also not forget the drinking bleach and blowing up hurricanes with atom bombs.
Whether there was a lab leak or not he wasn't saying it because he was inspired. He was saying it because it fitted his agenda.
The only box he is thinking out of is a box of frogs.
Well, I have never seen an F35, which seems pretty conclusive to me. And if they aren't now they will be very shortly, you just make them into giant amoled screens and pipe the view from the other side across.
here's a thing I can very specifically date: April 1 2004, MacUser magazine spoof review of a 3D printer. How we all laughed.
Nuking hurricanes wasn't his invention either.
That first sentence made me laugh, however you do realise that it has just made me believe in god, fairies, unicorns, and goodness knows what else.
Regarding it may be possible some time in the future to do this stuff, well yes, but he was talking about now. That is like me believing I can use a transporter to get to Australia instantly. We may do it some time in the future, but you would think me extremely stupid if I said we could do it now. StarTrek the documentary.
Yep he wasn't the first to suggest nuking hurricanes. All that means is he also wasn't as imaginative in his utter stupidity. I note one of the other suggestions for getting rid of hurricanes is to fly a plane in the opposite direction to unwind it. I'm no expert but my gut feeling is that won't work either.
PS I'm not saying nuking a hurricane won't work. I have no idea, but I'm guessing there might be some other undesirable side effects. Just saying.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has said that nuking a hurricane is 'not a good idea' because it may not change the hurricane's path and the radioactive fallout would hit American shores causing 'devastating environmental problems'
'But an article by hurricane researchers at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) debunks that idea. They wrote that it's impossible to disrupt a hurricane with a nuclear bomb, since we don't have powerful enough bombs and because the explosives wouldn't shift the surrounding air pressure for more than a split second.'
That poll is also much better in terms of seats for the Tories. Baxtered:
Labour: 519 Tories: 33 Libs: 20 SNP: 54 Plaid: 4
So the Tories easily hold on to 3rd place, fighting off Plaid Cymru, and set themselves up to maybe challenge the SNP as Official Opposition in the 2030s-40s
The constituency we have recently moved to, Brentwood and Ongar, is fortunately one of the 33
Your extra 2 votes (I assume your wife is a Tory as otherwise your love life must be torrid) might make all the difference.
Who sent him a copy of Team America on DVD for Christmas?
I recall that Trump previously suggested another attack by US aircraft in Chinese colours. I makes me think that Trump believes that a literal "false flag" would be all it takes to fool adversary nations, and he's certainly stupid enough for that to be plausible.
Trump is absolutely not stupid
He often appears vague and he is deeply eccentric, and riven with narcissistic personality disorders, but actually stupid? No
Because he thinks outside the box he is often way ahead of his rivals. Cf lab leak
Even here it’s not clear he’s dumb. Taking out the serious military/nuke threat of North Korea with a first strike is a pretty good idea - if it can be done without provoking world war 3 or killing 20 million Koreans
I'm sorry but he is absolutely dumb. Just think of the number of things he has said that is off the wall dumb. My personal favourite was the fact that he thought F35's were actually invisible. I mean it is there to be seen and he said it several times. Let's also not forget the drinking bleach and blowing up hurricanes with atom bombs.
Whether there was a lab leak or not he wasn't saying it because he was inspired. He was saying it because it fitted his agenda.
The only box he is thinking out of is a box of frogs.
Well, I have never seen an F35, which seems pretty conclusive to me. And if they aren't now they will be very shortly, you just make them into giant amoled screens and pipe the view from the other side across.
here's a thing I can very specifically date: April 1 2004, MacUser magazine spoof review of a 3D printer. How we all laughed.
Nuking hurricanes wasn't his invention either.
That first sentence made me laugh, however you do realise that it has just made me believe in god, fairies, unicorns, and goodness knows what else.
Regarding it may be possible some time in the future to do this stuff, well yes, but he was talking about now. That is like me believing I can use a transporter to get to Australia instantly. We may do it some time in the future, but you would think me extremely stupid if I said we could do it now. StarTrek the documentary.
Yep he wasn't the first to suggest nuking hurricanes. All that means is he also wasn't as imaginative in his utter stupidity. I note one of the other suggestions for getting rid of hurricanes is to fly a plane in the opposite direction to unwind it. I'm no expert but my gut feeling is that won't work either.
PS I'm not saying nuking a hurricane won't work. I have no idea, but I'm guessing there might be some other undesirable side effects. Just saying.
Surely the solution to hurricanes is to find a hurricane (or local lingo equivalent) that spins in the opposite direction (just get one from the other side of the equator, easy) and then nudge the two together?
It makes you wonder why Trump didn't think of that.
That poll is also much better in terms of seats for the Tories. Baxtered:
Labour: 519 Tories: 33 Libs: 20 SNP: 54 Plaid: 4
So the Tories easily hold on to 3rd place, fighting off Plaid Cymru, and set themselves up to maybe challenge the SNP as Official Opposition in the 2030s-40s
The constituency we have recently moved to, Brentwood and Ongar, is fortunately one of the 33
You've fled the hotbed of Trotskyism Epping?
Indeed, sadly Dame Eleanor would lose Epping Forest to Labour on the PP poll.
On most other polls Dame Eleanor should hold it though, Harlow, Thurrock, Southend and Colchester and maybe even Chelmsford at risk still.
We now live in rural Ongar, Brentwood and Ongar constituency but still Epping Forest District
Who sent him a copy of Team America on DVD for Christmas?
I recall that Trump previously suggested another attack by US aircraft in Chinese colours. I makes me think that Trump believes that a literal "false flag" would be all it takes to fool adversary nations, and he's certainly stupid enough for that to be plausible.
Trump is absolutely not stupid
He often appears vague and he is deeply eccentric, and riven with narcissistic personality disorders, but actually stupid? No
Because he thinks outside the box he is often way ahead of his rivals. Cf lab leak
Even here it’s not clear he’s dumb. Taking out the serious military/nuke threat of North Korea with a first strike is a pretty good idea - if it can be done without provoking world war 3 or killing 20 million Koreans
I'm sorry but he is absolutely dumb. Just think of the number of things he has said that is off the wall dumb. My personal favourite was the fact that he thought F35's were actually invisible. I mean it is there to be seen and he said it several times. Let's also not forget the drinking bleach and blowing up hurricanes with atom bombs.
Whether there was a lab leak or not he wasn't saying it because he was inspired. He was saying it because it fitted his agenda.
The only box he is thinking out of is a box of frogs.
Trump is certainly no intellectual.
Yet he don't get to be a billionaire and President of the USA by being dumb
Well he did inherit much of his wealth and my understanding is that he is not particularly rated as a businessman and he certainly uses some very unethical business practices to try an increase his wealth and we don't know how much of this is run by others.
I don't have an answer for becoming president without insulting a lot of Americans as being either stupid or corrupt so I won't.
But let me ask you a question hyufd - Do you think an F35 can become invisible? I mean actually invisible rather than stealth. I'm sure you don't. So how stupid does he have to be before you would consider him dumb?
No he's definitely dumb - and probably not a billionaire.
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It's incredibly grating and I find it unnecessary and just plain unkind. I have seen him do it to others and when they fight back he becomes abusive.
You are somebody I respect but I am afraid you have got this one totally wrong.
But generally, we live in a society, and we all have to muddle along together. If someone's speech threatens someone, or a group, and makes it hard to muddle along together, then that's bad.
So we call all say what we want, within set, well-defined boundaries. We should *try* to be polite and not hurt the feelings of other people, but I don't think politeness and hurt feelings are worth restricting speech.
That's a very nebulous answer, isn't it?
Responsible media should not report unsubstantiated views of one person about things like this, though, particularly not when the person has no particular reason to be thought a good authority on this.
If the head of the RCP comes out with something like this then it probably should be reported, along with his/her subsequent sacking. It was correct to report on Wakefield's paper for example (although incorrect for the Lancet to publish it - they should have done a better job). But random doc (even one with a high profile, TV GP etc) spouting unsubstantiated nonsense should not be presented as viable fact.
*which certainly includes own website, PB, and even Twitter and the like - although the latter clearly has dangers, allowing the posting and simply flagging it as dubious or disputed is, imho, the right balance.
When someone is affected by such a condition or in such a state then their behaviour becomes both erratic and impulsive.
Manifestations of such behaviour might include telling people to go fuck themselves or announcing to all and sundry at 4pm that they are drunk. Or worrying out loud that in Bangkok the beautiful women on the street might not be all they seem.
Such manifestations aren't polite or to order or even sometimes acceptable. Because they are manifestations of a condition.
I would hope you won't take anyone's posts at face value because on PB that way ruin lies.
On Ukraine, I don't think its massively controversial to say that its the best thing they have responded to, ahead of the curve (especially early on). Where as COVID was shall we say mixed, and they now get incoming from a sections of the public saying they were doing too much locking down, when at the time the arguments were about if they were being too slow to do so.
Part of the joy of science is finding out that what you took to be true is not true and there is some other explanation.
If it were not true, there would be no point in doing studies, would there? We'd just ask the nearest expert what to do. Which is, of course, what we did early on in Covid, leading to surface contact being fingered as the likely vector, hand washing essential and prolonged airbourne presence of the virus discounted (all of which were later found to be incorrect with actual evidence).
(Or is my irony meter in bad need of adjustment regarding your posts?)
'That's him,' said Dibbler.
'Where do the elves come in?'
'Well, he might have been abducted by elves,' said Dibbler. 'It could happen to anyone.'
(Probably mis) quoted from Terry Pratchett's The Truth.
I was more interested in the concept of vaccine hesitancy as it is one of those topics on PB for which there can only be one line (cf Russia's invasion of Ukraine).
Back in my sales management days I would tell the reps "when you have closed the sale, close the book and retire quickly".
You have many friends here.
Whether there was a lab leak or not he wasn't saying it because he was inspired. He was saying it because it fitted his agenda.
The only box he is thinking out of is a box of frogs.
Mike (rightly in my view) bans posters who indulge in the latter, but (again rightly IMO) is quite happy to accommodate those who simply don't like the idea of vaccines for whatever reason.
Given the availability of decent (but not hugely dramatic) studies, it's odd that Malhotra wants to push the bullshit one.
But also, like you say, very stupid. Unless the stupidity is feigned and just part of the manipulation...
Solicitor Michael Kelleher's client, a carpet-fitter, was charged with driving without due care and attention, when he mounted a kerb and almost hit three men.
The men were standing outside the Castle Inn in Pembroke, Wales, when they saw the carpet-fitter's white van heading towards them. Prosecutor Nia James told Haverfordwest magistrates that although the van narrowly missed the men, "it was travelling too quickly and they could have been seriously hurt."
"This was aggressive driving," James said, adding that other witnesses also expressed concern over the manner of the driving, according to a report in the Western Telegraph.
Kelleher, defending his client said: “This is a hard-working man albeit with a very awkward physical problem. It’s very difficult to think of a way of describing his problem, other than he has two holes for his anus instead of one.”
Kelleher told the magistrates that his client was in the area for a job, and "didn’t know his way around," and ended up driving the wrong way down a road. "This certainly wasn’t aggressive driving but a momentary lapse of concentration.”
The client pleaded guilty to the charge of driving in a public place without due care and attention, and was fined a total of £317.
RollOnFriday contacted Kelleher's firm for comment, but it seems to have taken the Buckingham Palace approach of "never explain", when it comes to this type of defence.
https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/defence-week-solicitor-sticks-man-two-anuses
The Ukraine response is the one thing I am happy to give Johnson credit for. I’d like to think a future Starmer led labour government would be every bit as solid on this. Corbyn, not so much.
In fact, we're all dumb in some areas. It's just that we often see the dumbness of figures who are in the public eye.
Neither Trump or Musk are morons. But like all of us, they can do moronic things at times. And because of their position, their moronic actions matter.
He made the threat in one of his responses to one of my "partisan troll" posts around an hour ago. He's probably on ConHome as we speak. wishing he wasn't.
I don't know why he is doing what he is doing. I will say this though, a fair number of scientists, medics etc rose to prominence through covid. Many of them have developed a vast army of sycophants. I think its become like a drug for some of them, and this is not helping.
Last week the Guardian published an article under the tag "with Covid cases soaring...". I challenged this on twitter as the data (Zoe, ONS and other places) suggested a modest rise at best. My post was descended upon by the covid twitter. And yet, and yet a day or two later the Guardian quietly changed the headline, as covid cases were not in fact soaring. I was right, the twitter idiots wrong, but that cuts no ice.
Yet he don't get to be a billionaire and President of the USA by being dumb
A neighbour of a friend got to that stage. She think anyone who isn't demanding instant rejoin, loudly, all day long, is Nigel Farage. In her mind the Liberal Democrats are Brexiters....
A sort of mirror image of the Brexiters who think that Nigel Farage is a Brussels loving sellout.
here's a thing I can very specifically date: April 1 2004, MacUser magazine spoof review of a 3D printer. How we all laughed.
Nuking hurricanes wasn't his invention either.
I don't have an answer for becoming president without insulting a lot of Americans as being either stupid or corrupt so I won't.
But let me ask you a question hyufd - Do you think an F35 can become invisible? I mean actually invisible rather than stealth. I'm sure you don't. So how stupid does he have to be before you would consider him dumb?
Ode to Joy shouldn’t be whistled. Instead, the EU approved version should be played on a HIFi, while you stand in the shower, in full ceremonial dress, head bowed. In joy.
1/10 Remainer
https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/4274882#Comment_4274882
The sheer volume of disinformation on Twitter makes it humanly impossible to challenge.
German state media finally asking some fairly obvious questions
“Russia has made an initial estimate of the cost needed to repair the #NordStream pipeline. That raises the question: Why would Russia undergo the expensive process of repairing their own pipeline if they bombed it themselves? 🤔 #DWBusiness”
https://twitter.com/dw_environment/status/1612473646374682628?s=61&t=ULzDinRPaIfNiHxYgBgYFw
In fact I would say only 3 US Presidents in my lifetime (ie the last 40 years) have been of high intelligence, Bush Snr, Clinton and Obama.
Trump is the richest of them of course though as you say much of that inherited
Regarding it may be possible some time in the future to do this stuff, well yes, but he was talking about now. That is like me believing I can use a transporter to get to Australia instantly. We may do it some time in the future, but you would think me extremely stupid if I said we could do it now. StarTrek the documentary.
Yep he wasn't the first to suggest nuking hurricanes. All that means is he also wasn't as imaginative in his utter stupidity. I note one of the other suggestions for getting rid of hurricanes is to fly a plane in the opposite direction to unwind it. I'm no expert but my gut feeling is that won't work either.
PS I'm not saying nuking a hurricane won't work. I have no idea, but I'm guessing there might be some other undesirable side effects. Just saying.
The Trump Organization must pay $1.6 million for giving executive off-the-books benefits and pay.
Former president Donald J. Trump’s family real estate business was ordered on Friday to pay a $1.6 million criminal penalty for its conviction on felony tax fraud and other charges, a stinging rebuke and the maximum possible punishment.
The sentence, handed down by a judge in State Supreme Court in Manhattan, caps a lengthy legal ordeal for Mr. Trump’s company, the Trump Organization, which was convicted in December of doling out off-the-books perks to some of its top executives. One of the executives who orchestrated the scheme, Allen H. Weisselberg, pleaded guilty and testified at the company’s trial. He was sentenced on Tuesday to serve five months at the notorious Rikers Island jail complex.
The financial penalty is a pittance to the company, and the former president, who collected hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue each year while in office. But the verdict branded the company a lawbreaker, exposed a culture that nurtured illegality for years and handed political ammunition to Mr. Trump’s opponents. Prosecutors also continue to press a criminal investigation against the man himself.
The Trump Organization’s lawyers on Friday sought a smaller penalty, pinning the blame on an outside accounting firm, Mazars USA, which they said should have halted the wrongdoing. They also blamed Mr. Weisselberg, who they say carried out the scheme without intending to benefit the Trump Organization. But Joshua Steinglass, a prosecutor in the Manhattan district attorney’s office, argued that the company carried out “a multidimensional scheme to defraud the tax authorities.”
“To avoid detection, they simply falsified the records,” he explained. “This conduct can only be described as egregious,” adding that although the maximum fines may have limited impact on the corporation, “this court should nonetheless impose such fines.”
The judge overseeing the case, Juan Merchan, agreed, imposing the maximum $1.61 million.
“These are arguments that were made throughout the trial,” Justice Merchan said about the defense’s contention that Mazars and Mr. Weisselberg were to blame. “This is not what the evidence has shown, and it is certainly not what the jury found.” . . .
Rishi Sunak has said Boris Johnson will stand in his current constituency at the next election after it was reported the former prime minister wanted a safer seat.
The Times reported today that Johnson could agree not to challenge Sunak in exchange for the promise of a safe seat at the next election.
But Sunak dismissed the idea, which had been suggested by friends of the former prime minister.
He told broadcasters during a visit to Scotland: “I think the former prime minister has declared his intention to stand in his current seat in Uxbridge.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rishi-sunak-nicola-sturgeon-scotland-latest-news-nhs-gender-recognition-2023-8shhn3b77
I think those 2 don't like each other
Steve Bannon’s lawyers want out of his border-wall fraud case, telling a judge Thursday that he is unwilling to speak with them directly and that they have “irreconcilable” differences about how to proceed.
Bannon, a conservative rabble-rouser and longtime ally of former President Donald Trump, has until a Feb. 28 hearing to find new counsel, Judge Juan Manuel Merchan said. His current lawyers, David Schoen and John Mitchell, must stay on the case until then, the judge said.
“We just have a different view about strategy in the case and recognized that our differences about the approach to the case are irreconcilable,” Schoen said. “His approach could well be the right one, but he deserves a lawyer in sync with his view of the case. It is nothing personal. It is his case, and he should have it handled in the manner he wants.”
Bannon, 69, has pleaded not guilty to duping donors who gave money to build a wall on the southern U.S. border. The case, brought by New York prosecutors in November, is a state-level version of a federal case cut short in 2021 by a presidential pardon.
Bannon is charged with money laundering, conspiracy, fraud and other charges related to the “We Build the Wall” campaign. No trial date has been set, and Merchan questioned whether the lawyer dispute was a delay tactic. The case is effectively on hold while Bannon hires new lawyers and those lawyers get up to speed.
Manhattan prosecutors working in conjunction with the state attorney general’s office allege that although Bannon promised all donations would go to constructing the wall, he was involved in transferring hundreds of thousands of dollars to third-party entities and used them to funnel payments to two other people involved in the scheme.
In another case, Bannon was convicted in July of contempt charges for defying a congressional subpoena from the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol. He was sentenced in October to four months in jail, but remains free while he appeals.
SSI - Who would be the PERFECT lawyer for Steve Bannon? Michael Avenatti!
https://twitter.com/gdb/status/1612986134048698369
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LAB: 48% (+2)
CON: 21% (-1)
LDM: 8% (+1)
GRN: 7% (=)
RFM: 7% (-1)
SNP: 5% (=}
Via
@PeoplePolling
, 11 Jan.
Changes w/ 4 Jan.
We will date their comeback from around about now IMHO
It also has RefUK on 7% and is untested at any previous general election. However even 21% is 7% more than the 14% the Tories were on with PP under Truss
Key countries finally boost defense commitments amid new threats and a new approach from Washington
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/12/japan-us-kishida-biden-00077803
When President Joe Biden sits down with Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida on Friday, it will mark a major tete-a-tete that could have profound implications for U.S. policy toward a critical part of the globe.
It’s also an opportunity for Biden to underscore how his diplomatic efforts in the face of new geopolitical threats are bringing allies into closer alignment, and delivering in an area where Donald Trump’s sharp-elbowed approach largely failed to achieve results....
...“What Kishida has announced is just as significant as what Scholz did,” said Ian Bremmer, the president of The Eurasia Group, a global risk assessment firm. While the shift is largely precipitated by the changing security environment, he added, “Biden’s leadership has made it easier for Japan to lean in because they know he’s going to be there. Trump has really receded. I’m just not hearing Japanese leaders worried about Trump’s return as they were.”
Labour: 519
Tories: 33
Libs: 20
SNP: 54
Plaid: 4
So the Tories easily hold on to 3rd place, fighting off Plaid Cymru, and set themselves up to maybe challenge the SNP as Official Opposition in the 2030s-40s
May it continue to be even more 'encouraging'.
'But an article by hurricane researchers at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) debunks that idea. They wrote that it's impossible to disrupt a hurricane with a nuclear bomb, since we don't have powerful enough bombs and because the explosives wouldn't shift the surrounding air pressure for more than a split second.'
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/13/london-council-sutton-refuses-ulez-cameras-sadiq-khan/
On most other polls Dame Eleanor should hold it though, Harlow, Thurrock, Southend and Colchester and maybe even Chelmsford at risk still.
We now live in rural Ongar, Brentwood and Ongar constituency but still Epping Forest District