Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
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If anyone disagrees with your point of view you take umbrage and return home with your bat and ball. Surely one of the elements of this site is to deconstruct arguments one disagrees with. It is not a personal slur on yourself to suggest that a posted argument you agree with is inconsistent with reality for some of the rest of us.
You are not backwards in coming forward when someone criticises the Conservative Party.
Go on Pete!!!
Condescending_Royale is a nasty piece of work, his arrogance and attitude seeps through every post he makes. The kind of person I'd spend my life avoiding at work, I've seen his type many, many times.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
Are you saying that a participant and practitioner in any particular discipline under discussion can't have a valid view on that discipline?
At my son's school they've had to reduce the number of science lessons in year 9 because they can't recruit science teachers. This government is running the country into the ground and ruining our childrens' future. Of course their privately educated kids will be fine. I'm so fucking furious with what these idiots are doing to us.
Is it always "the government"? They do, of course, have ultimate accountability, but other institutions, not least a very vocal minority of very left wing teachers who believe the "prizes for all" mentality, who seem to bask in their love of mediocrity also have a lot to answer for our poor state school provision. Until those on the left start to realise that improving standards also requires the weeding out of people who encourage those low standards then no public sector organisations will improve. Sadly the Left is the protector of the rights of vested interests to the detriment of pupils, patients and those who receive public sector "service".
Easier to blame the government and those terrible private schools though eh? Left wing thinking = simplistic chippy solutions for complex problems.
What a load of rubbish. The problem at my son's school is very specific - they can't hire teachers because the pay set by the government isn't competitive. There is absolutely zero problem with "prizes for all" (what does that even mean?) or low standards - it's a good school that simply can't afford to staff itself properly. And the people who could fix it - the government - simply don't fucking care. It actually isn't especially complex.
Recruitment for everyone at the moment is difficult. It is a massive problem. People do not want to change jobs, particularly when they have job security, so there is limited supply. There are private companies I know that have massively increased pay for roles and still can't find people to do them. Recruitment is very rarely just about pay. Teaching has challenges, but also benefits that other areas cannot compete with. One of the biggest challenges to pay is when schools (similar to hospitals) are not allowed by the unions to offer attractive pay differentials to attract people. So yes it is very complex, but carry on blaming "the government" if you must, and carry on letting off all the other actors such as local authorities, unions and teachers themselves off the hook. The vested interests like it that way.
What have the local authorities got to do with it? They don't run the school. It's the job of the government to run schools properly (especially since under the Academies system they have centralised control over education). If schools can't recruit at current funding levels then they need more money, end of story. Nothing is more critical to this country's future than the education of our children. It should be the government's top priority. If this government won't fund that properly then don't be surprised if parents vote in a government that will. There is so much anger and frustration at the school gates, believe me.
For the record, I see nothing as more important than the education of children and would love to see a massive increase in investment in teachers and education generally, (though this should be aligned with productivity). However, I would also like to see a break with the malign influence of left wing unions over teaching.
Yes, I agree. Rationally, I'd like to see teachers higher paid, thereby attracting better teachers. But then you see representatives of National Education Union, and your emotional reaction is 'there is no way that person should be better paid'.
The teachers at my kids' primary school are largely very good, but there is one who is half-useless. We have dodged him so far. But it seems unfair that he gets paid as much as his much more competent colleagues who are educating their charges considerably better. There was one who was entirely, laughably useless, but fortunately for us (though not for his new charges down south) he has moved schools. How do we arrange matters so we better reward - and therefore retain - the good teachers while removing the bad ones? I say this not out of spite towards the bad teachers (some of whom are quite pleasant people) but our of a desire to see kids not have a year of their education blighted by having an idiot in charge (or, God forbid, one of the talking heads who get trotted out to represent the views of the NEU).
Pity the kids that have the half useless teacher for a whole year, or possibly more. This is the bit that actually makes me angry. Listen to the pure vitriol that is aimed at a company that provides a bad service, but on something that is as important as a child's education people are prepared to accept this type of mediocrity or worse, and blame the government, no doubt.
People think teachers slag off the DfE?
You should hear what they say about their underperforming colleagues.
Genuine question, rather than debating point: is there an requirement for CPD within teaching (and if there is how well do you think it works?) and is there any whistleblowing requirement for a teacher to report substandards in others if they are detrimental to the children?
There is, but in my experience it is one of those things that no-one really has time to quality assure effectively (so, for example, sitting in a safeguarding training course run by a colleague is classed as CPD, when really there ought to be an entitlement, and an expectation, that every teacher accesses accredited training regularly).
The requirement for CPD is part of the performance-related pay cycle, and is a way for senior leaders to have some control over pay (i.e. if someone doesn't meet their development targets their pay might be frozen). This, unfortunately, can become an 'if you are liked' criterion rather than a real measure of a teacher's commitment to their own self-improvement.
On the other hand, if you are proactive as an individual teacher (at least in my experience as a maths teacher) there is an absolute wealth of excellent free training available. The main challenge is finding anyone to cover your lessons whilst you're out, so schools are more and more reluctant to let you go at the moment.
I would strongly suspect that the shortage of teachers is the biggest element "protecting" useless teachers. Thoughts?
At the moment, wholeheartedly yes, but I think the system has its part to play too. Even when more teachers were around ineffective ones were hard to move on or support to improve.
Right now, far too often we interview and sit down afterwards asking whether we can bear to appoint any of them because the quality isn't there. And we are popular school to work at. We end up having to say yes to the least-worst candidate.
But, and its a big but, I think what makes an ineffective teacher isn't static. For example I am less effective now than I was before I had kids. Not because I have less expertise, but because I cut corners at every single opportunity to get out of the door in time to pick my kid up from nursery, and then can't open up my computer again until he has gone to bed. I used to work much longer hours (I'm not complaining - the holidays more than compensate) which allowed me to do more of the things around the edges (more personal subject feedback, more contact home, more one-to-one conversations with kids) that can transform kids' experience at school from mediocre to life-changing.
I think that we could significantly improve the effetiveness of most (though definitely not all) teachers by reducing workload and better resourcing the profession (I can dream, I know).
A personal idea I have, is that the culture of flattening organisations has eliminated too many specialist paper pushers and admins. So we see police officers spending a majority of their time doing repetitive data entry in multiple system.....
This seems to be true in the NHS - how about teaching?
I'm sure that's true; the spectre of my head of department wasting hours navigating our arcane resource-ordering system, and then counting out resources when they arrive so that he can sign off the invoice is painful in the extreme.
Poor teachers are kept on? Wut, have you been in a school in the last 20 years?
No, but I know a couple of governors. their experience has been that getting rid of the incompetent is a very long winded process and they normally pop up at another school. Same with the NHS. the public sector doesn't sack people, it simply pays them a large amount of money to go and be incompetent in another school/hospital/local authority.
So anecdote of an anecdote. Teachers dismissed on grounds of capability don't just 'normally pop up at another school' in my experience.
Also how does one measure good or bad teachers?
I had teachers at Grammar School who were heralded as brilliant because they got 100% pass marks for all those entered for O and A levels. The small print didn't identify that anyone who might fail was pulled from O levels and entered for CSE and borderline A level candidates were just pulled. Oh and they were poor teachers who just taught by rote.
You measure by value add.
At the private school I attended, back in the day, they had exams at the end of each year.
Which stream you went into for the that subject, for the next year, was decided by the exam.
It was known in the school, that teachers who "dropped" too many into the C stream from the A or B stream were given an interview without coffee by the headmaster....
Ah, internal exams. One year, the teacher who set the mock A-level got upset when the head of physics set his group a homework question that was effectively the same as the hardest question on the mock. He found out when the kids from the HoD's group asked him for help with their homework.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
Are you saying that a participant and practitioner in any particular discipline under discussion can't have a valid view on that discipline?
Crazy talk.
Nope, not saying that. I'm saying that Malhotra is presenting fake news, dodgy stats to support his argument. There is no tidal wave of young male athletes suffering from heart attacks down to the mRNA vaccines - the report he quotes includes at least one guy killed in a road accident, and Pele.
I believe in evidence based medicine. Malhotra does not have evidence and he should be held to account.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
The Russian trolls are going to jizz themselves inside out with that.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
Are you saying that a participant and practitioner in any particular discipline under discussion can't have a valid view on that discipline?
Crazy talk.
Nope, not saying that. I'm saying that Malhotra is presenting fake news, dodgy stats to support his argument. There is no tidal wave of young male athletes suffering from heart attacks down to the mRNA vaccines - the report he quotes includes at least one guy killed in a road accident, and Pele.
I believe in evidence based medicine. Malhotra does not have evidence and he should be held to account.
Is it now.
Is he saying that there is a tidal wave of young male athletes suffering from heart attacks? I would be amazed if too many young male athletes took any vaccine whatsoever.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Poor teachers are kept on? Wut, have you been in a school in the last 20 years?
No, but I know a couple of governors. their experience has been that getting rid of the incompetent is a very long winded process and they normally pop up at another school. Same with the NHS. the public sector doesn't sack people, it simply pays them a large amount of money to go and be incompetent in another school/hospital/local authority.
So anecdote of an anecdote. Teachers dismissed on grounds of capability don't just 'normally pop up at another school' in my experience.
Also how does one measure good or bad teachers?
I had teachers at Grammar School who were heralded as brilliant because they got 100% pass marks for all those entered for O and A levels. The small print didn't identify that anyone who might fail was pulled from O levels and entered for CSE and borderline A level candidates were just pulled. Oh and they were poor teachers who just taught by rote.
You measure by value add.
At the private school I attended, back in the day, they had exams at the end of each year.
Which stream you went into for the that subject, for the next year, was decided by the exam.
It was known in the school, that teachers who "dropped" too many into the C stream from the A or B stream were given an interview without coffee by the headmaster....
Ah, internal exams. One year, the teacher who set the mock A-level got upset when the head of physics set his group a homework question that was effectively the same as the hardest question on the mock. He found out when the kids from the HoD's group asked him for help with their homework.
You mean that humans, on being told "the rules of the game", try and optimise the outcome?
In my experience as a school Governor, the competence of classroom teachers is less important than the competence of the Head of Deprtment, sometimes called the subject leader. It is the Head of Department who sets the tone for the department, signs off or even designs the curriculum, schemes of work and assessments. They assign teachers to classes based on the nature of the class and the capability of the teacher; they manage upwards to secure the resources they need or the support for pupils with special needs.
Which is great, except that competent Heads of Department also fall into the hens teeth category currently.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
Are you saying that a participant and practitioner in any particular discipline under discussion can't have a valid view on that discipline?
Crazy talk.
Nope, not saying that. I'm saying that Malhotra is presenting fake news, dodgy stats to support his argument. There is no tidal wave of young male athletes suffering from heart attacks down to the mRNA vaccines - the report he quotes includes at least one guy killed in a road accident, and Pele.
I believe in evidence based medicine. Malhotra does not have evidence and he should be held to account.
Is it now.
Is he saying that there is a tidal wave of young male athletes suffering from heart attacks? I would be amazed if too many young male athletes took any vaccine whatsoever.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
Are you saying that a participant and practitioner in any particular discipline under discussion can't have a valid view on that discipline?
Crazy talk.
Nope, not saying that. I'm saying that Malhotra is presenting fake news, dodgy stats to support his argument. There is no tidal wave of young male athletes suffering from heart attacks down to the mRNA vaccines - the report he quotes includes at least one guy killed in a road accident, and Pele.
I believe in evidence based medicine. Malhotra does not have evidence and he should be held to account.
Is it now.
Is he saying that there is a tidal wave of young male athletes suffering from heart attacks? I would be amazed if too many young male athletes took any vaccine whatsoever.
I thought that international athletics would have collapsed because of all the airline pilots dying from the vaccine.
Or have I got the wrong alt-right conspiracy theory?
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
If anyone disagrees with your point of view you take umbrage and return home with your bat and ball. Surely one of the elements of this site is to deconstruct arguments one disagrees with. It is not a personal slur on yourself to suggest that a posted argument you agree with is inconsistent with reality for some of the rest of us.
You are not backwards in coming forward when someone criticises the Conservative Party.
Go on Pete!!!
Condescending_Royale is a nasty piece of work, his arrogance and attitude seeps through every post he makes. The kind of person I'd spend my life avoiding at work, I've seen his type many, many times.
I very much doubt he can sway my opinion though.
PB in a nutshell.
Anybody who changes their mind about anything because of something they read on here is just weak.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presleyhaving a heart attack
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
Are you saying that a participant and practitioner in any particular discipline under discussion can't have a valid view on that discipline?
Crazy talk.
Nope, not saying that. I'm saying that Malhotra is presenting fake news, dodgy stats to support his argument. There is no tidal wave of young male athletes suffering from heart attacks down to the mRNA vaccines - the report he quotes includes at least one guy killed in a road accident, and Pele.
I believe in evidence based medicine. Malhotra does not have evidence and he should be held to account.
Is it now.
Is he saying that there is a tidal wave of young male athletes suffering from heart attacks? I would be amazed if too many young male athletes took any vaccine whatsoever.
I thought that international athletics would have collapsed because of all the airline pilots dying from the vaccine.
Or have I got the wrong alt-right conspiracy theory?
That's Athletics dying because of blocked airways, not athletes.
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presleyhaving a heart attack
So he's all things Turbotubbs said and a great many more.
We've had some really bad MPs here in the midlands recently, haven't we? Him, Williamson, other Williamson, Aidan Burley, that guy in Stoke...
Also Fabricant, although to be fair he's not nearly as bad as Bridgen.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presleyhaving a heart attack
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presleyhaving a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
I may be being totally unfair to her here, but I have to admit I automatically assumed it was a drug overdose.
Which was in effect also what killed her father. Or rather, the terrible cocktail of drugs he was on.
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
I haven't been to London since lockdown. I'm saving up travelling on it for a quiet week, if I ever have one.
If anyone disagrees with your point of view you take umbrage and return home with your bat and ball. Surely one of the elements of this site is to deconstruct arguments one disagrees with. It is not a personal slur on yourself to suggest that a posted argument you agree with is inconsistent with reality for some of the rest of us.
You are not backwards in coming forward when someone criticises the Conservative Party.
Go on Pete!!!
Condescending_Royale is a nasty piece of work, his arrogance and attitude seeps through every post he makes. The kind of person I'd spend my life avoiding at work, I've seen his type many, many times.
I very much doubt he can sway my opinion though.
PB in a nutshell.
No, this is me in a nutshell: "Help! I'm in a nutshell! How did I get into this bloody great big nutshell? What kind of shell has a nut like this?"
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
If anyone disagrees with your point of view you take umbrage and return home with your bat and ball. Surely one of the elements of this site is to deconstruct arguments one disagrees with. It is not a personal slur on yourself to suggest that a posted argument you agree with is inconsistent with reality for some of the rest of us.
You are not backwards in coming forward when someone criticises the Conservative Party.
Go on Pete!!!
Condescending_Royale is a nasty piece of work, his arrogance and attitude seeps through every post he makes. The kind of person I'd spend my life avoiding at work, I've seen his type many, many times.
I very much doubt he can sway my opinion though.
PB in a nutshell.
No, this is me in a nutshell: "Help! I'm in a nutshell! How did I get into this bloody great big nutshell? What kind of shell has a nut like this?"
Lieutenant Gorman : Any questions? [Prasannan raises his hand] Lieutenant Gorman : What is it, Private? Private Prasannan : How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit? Sergeant Apone : You secure that shit, Prasannan!
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Get off at the Moorgate end and get the Circle Line to Liverpool Street
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
How's this for pro-Corbynista bias? The Lizzie Line serves Sam Tarry's Ilford South, but NOT Wes Streeting's Ilford North!
Quite some word cloud, from @GoodwinMJ's poll question, what have the Conservatives got right since coming to power? Safe to say voters are grumpy right now.
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
LIVED AND WORKED IN HEREFORD FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.....
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
LIVED AND WORKED IN HEREFORD FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.....
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Quite some word cloud, from @GoodwinMJ's poll question, what have the Conservatives got right since coming to power? Safe to say voters are grumpy right now.
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
LIVED AND WORKED IN HEREFORD FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.....
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
LIVED AND WORKED IN HEREFORD FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.....
!!!
Gulp! I wondered why he disappeared at times.
I was a poster when I was there, most of the Cameron premiership I lived there
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
LIVED AND WORKED IN HEREFORD FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.....
!!!
In Hertford, Hereford, and Hampshire, HYUFD hardly ever...
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
Are you going to tell me to fuck off again? You're clearly in a touchy mood today because you've had your trousers pulled down.
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
LIVED AND WORKED IN HEREFORD FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.....
!!!
If I were Robert DeNiro I would ask both of you and Leon: "What colour is the boat house in Hereford?"
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Because the evidence he presents to support his view is so transparently cobblers.
You don't need to be an expert to come to that view, just have a shred of ability to think critically.
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
LIVED AND WORKED IN HEREFORD FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.....
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
Must say, sudden deaths in the late 50s early 60s demographic, a topic of particular interest to me, do seem to have been strikingly frequent in the past couple of months, at least among minor celebs (too minor for me to remember any specific examples, sadly).
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presleyhaving a heart attack
So he's all things Turbotubbs said and a great many more.
We've had some really bad MPs here in the midlands recently, haven't we? Him, Williamson, other Williamson, Aidan Burley, that guy in Stoke...
Also Fabricant, although to be fair he's not nearly as bad as Bridgen.
And Christopher Pincher (by nature, as by name, allegedly) over in Tamworth.
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Because it's a view explicitly based on bogus evidence, as turbotubbs notes.
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
I think in terms of time because I was only going from TCR (east end Crossrail) to Bond Street (west end Crossrail) and back, and therefore had to walk two-thirds of the length of the train. Which was fine, as it happend on the second occasion, because that's how long it was until the next train came...
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
LIVED AND WORKED IN HEREFORD FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.....
!!!
In Hertford, Hereford, and Hampshire, HYUFD hardly ever...
In Hertford, Hereford, and Hampshire, HYUFD hardly held his head high, (h)ever? If that is an alliteration I don't know what is!
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
I totally disagree Richard. You are one of the best posters here, he is not. He's a nasty bully.
If anyone disagrees with your point of view you take umbrage and return home with your bat and ball. Surely one of the elements of this site is to deconstruct arguments one disagrees with. It is not a personal slur on yourself to suggest that a posted argument you agree with is inconsistent with reality for some of the rest of us.
You are not backwards in coming forward when someone criticises the Conservative Party.
Go on Pete!!!
Condescending_Royale is a nasty piece of work, his arrogance and attitude seeps through every post he makes. The kind of person I'd spend my life avoiding at work, I've seen his type many, many times.
I very much doubt he can sway my opinion though.
PB in a nutshell.
No, this is me in a nutshell: "Help! I'm in a nutshell! How did I get into this bloody great big nutshell? What kind of shell has a nut like this?"
If anyone disagrees with your point of view you take umbrage and return home with your bat and ball. Surely one of the elements of this site is to deconstruct arguments one disagrees with. It is not a personal slur on yourself to suggest that a posted argument you agree with is inconsistent with reality for some of the rest of us.
You are not backwards in coming forward when someone criticises the Conservative Party.
Go on Pete!!!
Condescending_Royale is a nasty piece of work, his arrogance and attitude seeps through every post he makes. The kind of person I'd spend my life avoiding at work, I've seen his type many, many times.
I am not trying to get personal. Quite the opposite. The best way to enjoy this site is ignore posters one disagrees with or dislikes. If Casino wants to engage I will respond. I very much doubt he can sway my opinion though.
Point of order. If we all “ignored posters we disagreed with” PB would die on its arse
Many of us come here expressly to joust. There are, however, rules to follow, as there are in jousting. If you run at someone with your lance you can expect them to subsequently biff you on the head with a spiky metal ball, you don’t get a free hit.
And, whatever happens, don’t whine
Lots of whining whingers on here unfortunately. Need to man up and learn to take it as well as dish it out.
If anyone disagrees with your point of view you take umbrage and return home with your bat and ball. Surely one of the elements of this site is to deconstruct arguments one disagrees with. It is not a personal slur on yourself to suggest that a posted argument you agree with is inconsistent with reality for some of the rest of us.
You are not backwards in coming forward when someone criticises the Conservative Party.
Go on Pete!!!
Condescending_Royale is a nasty piece of work, his arrogance and attitude seeps through every post he makes. The kind of person I'd spend my life avoiding at work, I've seen his type many, many times.
I very much doubt he can sway my opinion though.
PB in a nutshell.
No, this is me in a nutshell: "Help! I'm in a nutshell! How did I get into this bloody great big nutshell? What kind of shell has a nut like this?"
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
LIVED AND WORKED IN HEREFORD FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.....
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Experts are often wrong, if they're just guessing or extrapolating from personal experience and not using evidence. I've not infrequently found that the evidence does not support my original hypothesis about how things work. Even things that are widely 'known' I've sometimes found to not be true when you actually look at the data.
There have been many times when doctors have wanted research into something where they think they are seeing a trend or an effect and a proper study finds that it simply is not there. Most of the doctors I have worked with have been quite happy and accepting of that outcome. A minority prefer to ignore the evidence.
ETA: And sample/observation bias, of course. An ICU nurse friend was completely freaked out ove Covid and wanted everyone locked down completely for as long as possible, because she saw lots of young healthy people dying/almost dying from Covid. Of course, she never saw the young healthy people for whom Covid was no big deal. Cardiac specialists see a lot of people with heart problems, the vast majority of whom will have had a Covid vaccine and, if young, most likely an mRNA vaccine.
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
LIVED AND WORKED IN HEREFORD FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.....
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Because it's a view explicitly based on bogus evidence, as turbotubbs notes.
Interesting. I haven't looked at the evidence and the supporting documentation. Is it easy to find?
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
I think you might find it hard to find many other cardiologists who would share this view, which does not necessarily make him wrong in his analysis, just that he is very unlikely to be, or that the halting of the rollout would kill more people than those that might appear to have suffered cardiac arrest either coincidentally or in consequence. It is also important to note that just because someone is a cardiologist does not make them immune to being a nutjob. There are a lot of cardiologists in the world, and having met a lot of them I would say only a few are in the slightest bit normal.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
I think you might find it hard to find many other cardiologists who would share this view, which does not necessarily make him wrong in his analysis, just that he is very unlikely to be, or that the halting of the rollout would kill more people than those that might appear to have suffered cardiac arrest either coincidentally or in consequence. It is also important to note that just because someone is a cardiologist does not make them immune to being a nutjob. There are a lot of cardiologists in the world, and having met a lot of them I would say only a few are in the slightest bit normal.
In what way are they not normal? Is their manner too hearty?
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
LIVED AND WORKED IN HEREFORD FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.....
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Because it's a view explicitly based on bogus evidence, as turbotubbs notes.
Interesting. I haven't looked at the evidence and the supporting documentation. Is it easy to find?
Just start with Wikipedia, as linked previously...
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
If anyone disagrees with your point of view you take umbrage and return home with your bat and ball. Surely one of the elements of this site is to deconstruct arguments one disagrees with. It is not a personal slur on yourself to suggest that a posted argument you agree with is inconsistent with reality for some of the rest of us.
You are not backwards in coming forward when someone criticises the Conservative Party.
Go on Pete!!!
Condescending_Royale is a nasty piece of work, his arrogance and attitude seeps through every post he makes. The kind of person I'd spend my life avoiding at work, I've seen his type many, many times.
I very much doubt he can sway my opinion though.
PB in a nutshell.
No, this is me in a nutshell: "Help! I'm in a nutshell! How did I get into this bloody great big nutshell? What kind of shell has a nut like this?"
Oh, behave.
It's a mystery how we got on to this.
"Posting on PB: this sort of thing is my bag, baby", by Sunil, ydoethur and Driver.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
Your 'likes' read like a Brexiteers convention
The right wing bully brigade flocks to these posts like a fly to a shit
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
He is, but he is overly sensitive. These promised flounces come round every so often but the good news is that he generally comes back.
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
LIVED AND WORKED IN HEREFORD FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.....
So if free speech is so important, should people spreading misinformation be silenced or should they be allowed to spread their dangerous output?
My personal view is that silencing such people is (a) highly impractical and (b) actually tends to give them credibility on the 'No smoke without fire' and 'what are they hiding' schools of gossip.
One unfortunate incident I recall is when a senior colleague of mine was suspended from duty and we were ordered not to discuss the reasons for it. Naturally it was the only topic of conversation for weeks as a result. Otherwise we would have assumed it was health related and politely kept quiet.
Better to have the nuts in the open where they can be roasted with facts. Sunlight is a fine disinfectant.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
I totally disagree Richard. You are one of the best posters here, he is not. He's a nasty bully.
Richard is a fantastic poster. Very occasionally outspoken (particularly back in the day on Brexit) but always very, very readable, thought provoking and agreeable.
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
The story of how you became a sleeper agent for Welsh nationalism will one day be the subject of a cable television miniseries, surely?
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
LIVED AND WORKED IN HEREFORD FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.....
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
LIVED AND WORKED IN HEREFORD FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.....
So if free speech is so important, should people spreading misinformation be silenced or should they be allowed to spread their dangerous output?
That's central to the entire debate on "free speech", isn't it? When does it cross the line into something that should be silenced? And many people will have different views on that.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
Your 'likes' read like a Brexiteers convention
I am obviously on there to give some diversity then (don't let the facts get in the way eh Rog?)
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Experts are often wrong, if they're just guessing or extrapolating from personal experience and not using evidence. I've not infrequently found that the evidence does not support my original hypothesis about how things work. Even things that are widely 'known' I've sometimes found to not be true when you actually look at the data.
There have been many times when doctors have wanted research into something where they think they are seeing a trend or an effect and a proper study finds that it simply is not there. Most of the doctors I have worked with have been quite happy and accepting of that outcome. A minority prefer to ignore the evidence.
ETA: And sample/observation bias, of course. An ICU nurse friend was completely freaked out ove Covid and wanted everyone locked down completely for as long as possible, because she saw lots of young healthy people dying/almost dying from Covid. Of course, she never saw the young healthy people for whom Covid was no big deal. Cardiac specialists see a lot of people with heart problems, the vast majority of whom will have had a Covid vaccine and, if young, most likely an mRNA vaccine.
Well of all the crazy things I've heard on PB that must be the craziest. Someone who is a practitioner in the field is the expert and arbiter of all matters surrounding that field. Dissent or questioning, far less criticism, will not be tolerated.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
Your 'likes' read like a Brexiteers convention
I am obviously on there to give some diversity then (don't let the facts get in the way eh Rog?)
Surprised to see you on there to be honest, quite disappointed you'd defend the actions of a bully.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
He is, but he is overly sensitive. These promised flounces come round every so often but the good news is that he generally comes back.
Except he hasn't flounced, you can check his previous comments. That was just made up.
So if free speech is so important, should people spreading misinformation be silenced or should they be allowed to spread their dangerous output?
That's central to the entire debate on "free speech", isn't it? When does it cross the line into something that should be silenced? And many people will have different views on that.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
I think you might find it hard to find many other cardiologists who would share this view, which does not necessarily make him wrong in his analysis, just that he is very unlikely to be, or that the halting of the rollout would kill more people than those that might appear to have suffered cardiac arrest either coincidentally or in consequence. It is also important to note that just because someone is a cardiologist does not make them immune to being a nutjob. There are a lot of cardiologists in the world, and having met a lot of them I would say only a few are in the slightest bit normal.
In what way are they not normal? Is their manner too hearty?
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
I think you might find it hard to find many other cardiologists who would share this view, which does not necessarily make him wrong in his analysis, just that he is very unlikely to be, or that the halting of the rollout would kill more people than those that might appear to have suffered cardiac arrest either coincidentally or in consequence. It is also important to note that just because someone is a cardiologist does not make them immune to being a nutjob. There are a lot of cardiologists in the world, and having met a lot of them I would say only a few are in the slightest bit normal.
In what way are they not normal? Is their manner too hearty?
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Experts are often wrong, if they're just guessing or extrapolating from personal experience and not using evidence. I've not infrequently found that the evidence does not support my original hypothesis about how things work. Even things that are widely 'known' I've sometimes found to not be true when you actually look at the data.
There have been many times when doctors have wanted research into something where they think they are seeing a trend or an effect and a proper study finds that it simply is not there. Most of the doctors I have worked with have been quite happy and accepting of that outcome. A minority prefer to ignore the evidence.
ETA: And sample/observation bias, of course. An ICU nurse friend was completely freaked out ove Covid and wanted everyone locked down completely for as long as possible, because she saw lots of young healthy people dying/almost dying from Covid. Of course, she never saw the young healthy people for whom Covid was no big deal. Cardiac specialists see a lot of people with heart problems, the vast majority of whom will have had a Covid vaccine and, if young, most likely an mRNA vaccine.
Well of all the crazy things I've heard on PB that must be the craziest. Someone who is a practitioner in the field is the expert and arbiter of all matters surrounding that field. Dissent or questioning, far less criticism will not be tolerated.
If that's your reading then you must possess one of the strangest sets of reading glasses of anyone on PB.
So if free speech is so important, should people spreading misinformation be silenced or should they be allowed to spread their dangerous output?
That's central to the entire debate on "free speech", isn't it? When does it cross the line into something that should be silenced? And many people will have different views on that.
Generally I find that those against any particularly radical or bonkers or even opposing political opinion believe that they alone are able to see the truth and that "the public" will be unable likewise to make a similarly informed choice and hence rail against the publicising of that opinion.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
He is, but he is overly sensitive. These promised flounces come round every so often but the good news is that he generally comes back.
Oh I agree. I just think that given CHBs history on here and the support he has been shown in times of trouble from across the political spectrum he should be a little more reasonable with other posters. Sticking the boot in in the way he did was what I would expect from Malcolm not CHB.
To use the old mean parental comment. I am not angry, just disappointed.
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
Your 'likes' read like a Brexiteers convention
I am obviously on there to give some diversity then (don't let the facts get in the way eh Rog?)
Surprised to see you on there to be honest, quite disappointed you'd defend the actions of a bully.
I don't like a lot of his view CBH, and I have have always thought you to be a decent chap, and on the basis of what I read would rather have a beer with you than him.... Don't agree with you on this though. Give it up, you have given him as much shit as he has given you and you should leave it there IMO.
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
I'm pretty sure that the fuckwit MP who was quoting a cardiologist was referring to Malhotra - its possible thats what he is claiming as 'breaking BBC news'.
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
'Fuckwit MP' Doesn't really narrow it down, does it? Any chance you could be more precise?
Andrew Holocaust Bridgen
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presley having a heart attack
Family history of heart attacks right there.
Also an acknowledged drug problem.
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra ...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
He is a (noted) practitioner in his field giving his view of the world. An expert, if I may. Why are you so quick to dismiss expert practitioners when they put forward a view about their own discipline.
Experts are often wrong, if they're just guessing or extrapolating from personal experience and not using evidence. I've not infrequently found that the evidence does not support my original hypothesis about how things work. Even things that are widely 'known' I've sometimes found to not be true when you actually look at the data.
There have been many times when doctors have wanted research into something where they think they are seeing a trend or an effect and a proper study finds that it simply is not there. Most of the doctors I have worked with have been quite happy and accepting of that outcome. A minority prefer to ignore the evidence.
ETA: And sample/observation bias, of course. An ICU nurse friend was completely freaked out ove Covid and wanted everyone locked down completely for as long as possible, because she saw lots of young healthy people dying/almost dying from Covid. Of course, she never saw the young healthy people for whom Covid was no big deal. Cardiac specialists see a lot of people with heart problems, the vast majority of whom will have had a Covid vaccine and, if young, most likely an mRNA vaccine.
Well of all the crazy things I've heard on PB that must be the craziest. Someone who is a practitioner in the field is the expert and arbiter of all matters surrounding that field. Dissent or questioning, far less criticism will not be tolerated.
If that's your reading then you must possess one of the strangest sets of reading glasses of anyone on PB.
So you are saying that someone who has spent their working life in a particular field, and has opinions about that particular field, can BE WRONG about that field?
Casino_Royale announcing his departure? Please follow through, at least three people will come back when you go.
Uncalled for and beneath you. CR is one of the best posters on here and the fact you just don't like what he says is your problem not his. Considering the support others have given you on here in the past perhaps you should grow up.
He is, but he is overly sensitive. These promised flounces come round every so often but the good news is that he generally comes back.
Oh I agree. I just think that given CHBs history on here and the support he has been shown in times of trouble from across the political spectrum he should be a little more reasonable with other posters. Sticking the boot in in the way he did was what I would expect from Malcolm not CHB.
To use the old mean parental comment. I am not angry, just disappointed.
Richard you've clearly not been here when Casino has told other posters to go fuck themselves. Or call them all trolls.
Every single post he sends to me implies I am an idiot or stupid. He posts entirely to put other people down, that is what bullies do.
I stand by everything I said - and if you can't accept that then I am afraid that is on you not me.
Even the DLR has a member of staff on every train that can drive them. They are paid the same as Underground staff.
Driverless does not exist.
“Like the NUM, the rail unions are engaged in a futile effort to preserve jobs which in many cases are no longer needed and should have been abolished decades ago. Trains have not needed guards since the mid 19th century when the invention of block signalling did away with the need to defend a broken-down train by running back down the line to warn approaching trains. Many commuter trains have run perfectly safely since the early 1980s with driver-only operation. As for drivers, in many cases they are not required, either. Driverless trains are not futuristic – they have existed for over 40 years. There are now over 100 metro systems in the world which run without drivers – at much lower expense and with the threat of strikes eliminated. On lightly-used rural lines, where traffic levels do not justify investment in driverless operation, it still makes sense to employ drivers, but there is no excuse for doing so on the London Underground.“
You're not arguing against the point I actually made - like a good Tory.
The Government wanted driver-only operation but they also claimed there would be no job losses as guards would be assigned another role and pay would remain the same. So it doesn't actually achieve anything except change for the sake of it.
The Government has a separate argument about driverless trains but as has been pointed out to them, this concept doesn't actually exist and wouldn't save any money. You'd still have drivers on the trains being paid the same - as on the DLR - they just wouldn't be running the trains all the time.
This is basically already what happens on certain parts of the Underground where they have CBTC
The DLR has 'passenger services agents', who usually act to check tickets/ disturbances but only drive manually to get to/from the depot and in case of emergency, and they are paid much less than tube drivers.
Also this is totally incorrect. I am happy to provide citations but anyone who has ridden the DLR knows that staff drive the trains frequently. They are trained to drive the trains in all conditions (including in case of emergency) and are paid the same as Tube drivers.
I worked at Canary Wharf for 7 years. I worked there because I was on the senior leadership team of Crossrail in the technical directorate, and worked very closely with TfL - including the operators. I am familiar with the DLR trains and how they operate. I also commuted on the Jubilee Line and DLR daily. So I am well aware of how frequently staff take over the controls, which tends to be in peak times with high frequency, and also that DLR passenger services agents are not paid the same as Tube drivers.
No doubt you'll mark this down to 'condescension' but although someone pointing out you've got the facts wrong might occasionally embarrass you it is not the same thing.
The Elizabeth Line is fantastic. Can't wait for it to be fully operational in May.
Agreed, it's making my life so much easier on the rare occasions I have to be in London. Today I've taken it twice even though the journey planners told me the Central Line was the better option.
How on Earth can the Central Line (stopping at Bank, the Centre of the Earth, Hades and Mile End) be preferable to the Elizabeth Line with lovely aircon?
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
Indeed, the Elizabeth line is quick and air conditioned though unfortunately it is Shenfield and Brentwood at the end of the line in Essex not Epping, Harlow or even Chelmsford which are closer to me
Have you always lived in Essex HYUFD?
No. I grew up in Tunbridge Wells in Kent, went to university at Warwick and Aberystwyth and lived and worked in Hereford for almost 5 years too
LIVED AND WORKED IN HEREFORD FOR ALMOST FIVE YEARS.....
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BREAKING BBC News:
Cardiologist says likely contributory factor to excess cardiovascular deaths is covid mRNA vaccine and roll out should be suspended pending an inquiry.
We did it. We broke mainstream broadcast media 🔥🔥🔥
https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra/status/1613837487796850688
I hope this is a selective extract quoted out of context where other views were discussed…
The man is a class A twunt and should be up before the GMC. Every bit as harmful as Wakefield right now. Maybe he's trying to do a Wakefield and end up with an ageing super-model...
Crazy talk.
I believe in evidence based medicine. Malhotra does not have evidence and he should be held to account.
Is he saying that there is a tidal wave of young male athletes suffering from heart attacks? I would be amazed if too many young male athletes took any vaccine whatsoever.
I'm shocked, shocked etc...
Which is great, except that competent Heads of Department also fall into the hens teeth category currently.
Or have I got the wrong alt-right conspiracy theory?
Who is also excited about Lisa Marie Presleyhaving a heart attack
We've had some really bad MPs here in the midlands recently, haven't we? Him, Williamson, other Williamson, Aidan Burley, that guy in Stoke...
Also Fabricant, although to be fair he's not nearly as bad as Bridgen.
Which was in effect also what killed her father. Or rather, the terrible cocktail of drugs he was on.
Though it's an awfully long way from the Liverpool Street entrance to the actual trains.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/elizabeth-line-heathrow-airport-canary-wharf-square-mile-paddington-reading-b1037812.html
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Lieutenant Gorman : Any questions?
[Prasannan raises his hand]
Lieutenant Gorman : What is it, Private?
Private Prasannan : How do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?
Sergeant Apone : You secure that shit, Prasannan!
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1613903998368583681
!!!
There is a definite trend on the US anti-vaxxer right to claim every sudden cardiac death as a vaccine case.
Malhotra is a sad case, as he appears to be a doctor with strong communication skills who discovered he enjoyed performing a public health advice role, in which he experienced considerable early success:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aseem_Malhotra
...in addition to his work as a cardiologist, he has been described as a "highly regarded public health campaigner" and an anti-obesity expert[2] who is "passionate about tackling the companies and policies responsible for creating ... an obesogenic environment".[27] Malhotra explains that his professional work has motivated his public health campaigning:" ..having seen the unspeakable suffering caused by diet-related diseases, I would much rather these patients did not develop them in the first place."[28] In 2013 he was recognized in the inaugural list of the top 50 BME Pioneers in the NHS Health Service Journal, for his research on sugar rich diets and obesity and cardio-vascular disease and for his public health campaigns, including profit-making of big corporations at the expense of public health, unhealthy hospital meals and sale of junk food in hospitals [8] The judges commented that "Yes. He challenges people".[8] In 2014 he was recognized for a second year running in the Health Services Journal top 50 BME Pioneers: described by the judges as "An upcoming star", the entry recognized that he had ignited a debate about over-investigation, over-diagnosis and overmedication and brought media attention to the BMJ's "Too much medicine" campaign.[6]
At the end of 2013, Malhotra won the accolade of being named a "Food Hero" for the Children's Food Campaign for his campaigning against junk food being marketed to children and sugar filled vending machines in hospitals.[27] When Action on Sugar was founded in 2014, he was its first Science Director.[7] Later in that year, his campaigning on sugar led to his being featured in the Evening Standard as being one of ten of London's brightest stars working in science and technology...
You don't need to be an expert to come to that view, just have a shred of ability to think critically.
I'm sure it's been commented on here already but it's a very good question.When will our politicians apologise?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/13/brexit-mistake-northern-ireland-protocol
There have been many times when doctors have wanted research into something where they think they are seeing a trend or an effect and a proper study finds that it simply is not there. Most of the doctors I have worked with have been quite happy and accepting of that outcome. A minority prefer to ignore the evidence.
ETA: And sample/observation bias, of course. An ICU nurse friend was completely freaked out ove Covid and wanted everyone locked down completely for as long as possible, because she saw lots of young healthy people dying/almost dying from Covid. Of course, she never saw the young healthy people for whom Covid was no big deal. Cardiac specialists see a lot of people with heart problems, the vast majority of whom will have had a Covid vaccine and, if young, most likely an mRNA vaccine.
One unfortunate incident I recall is when a senior colleague of mine was suspended from duty and we were ordered not to discuss the reasons for it. Naturally it was the only topic of conversation for weeks as a result. Otherwise we would have assumed it was health related and politely kept quiet.
Better to have the nuts in the open where they can be roasted with facts. Sunlight is a fine disinfectant.
James O'Brien being a prime example of this.
To use the old mean parental comment. I am not angry, just disappointed.
Well I never.
Every single post he sends to me implies I am an idiot or stupid. He posts entirely to put other people down, that is what bullies do.
I stand by everything I said - and if you can't accept that then I am afraid that is on you not me.
Se what you mean....
Come to think of it, obsolete, British, WWII, weird, not very practical. Boyes .55? The obvious choice, really.