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  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,593

    Just been watching the football, not a bad game, Everton showed spirit.

    Where is everyone?

    At the Panto.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,455
    I've just watched Ben Elton's Upstart, Crow for the first time.

    A friend tipped me off - had no idea that existed, even though it's been around 5 years.

    I was crying tears of laughter in episode one. Brilliant.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404
    edited January 2023

    I've just watched Ben Elton's Upstart, Crow for the first time.

    A friend tipped me off - had no idea that existed, even though it's been around 5 years.

    I was crying tears of laughter in episode one. Brilliant.

    You haven't?
    Unashamedly intellectual.
    There's a superb one from lockdown. Loads of mask wearing, social distancing and toilet roll (moist moss) hoarding jokes.
    The more you know about WS's plays the funnier and cleverer it is.
    So I'm told.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,648

    Of course when we were in the EU there were plenty of people ready to blame that for everything that went wrong so I'm not going to shed too many tears about Brexit getting the blame for stuff that's not related to it.

    Can you give a specific example of this?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    edited January 2023

    I've just watched Ben Elton's Upstart, Crow for the first time.

    A friend tipped me off - had no idea that existed, even though it's been around 5 years.

    I was crying tears of laughter in episode one. Brilliant.

    Ben Elton's The Man From Auntie was one of the funniest things I ever watched when it was first on. Not sure how it's aged.
  • Apparently Artificial General Intelligence may have already arrived -

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/HguqQSY8mR7NxGopc/2022-was-the-year-agi-arrived-just-don-t-call-it-that

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    And R4 presenters and editors even more so.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Was it really necessary for Prince Harry to tell everyone about his "frost-nipped penis"?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931

    Tubbs

    Worst thing about Christmas is all the sweets and sickly garbage that comes into the house. They don’t go with wine. Absolutely useless. Packets of cashew nuts would make far better gifts.

    Or more wine, as long as the gifters know what they are buying. The bottom shelf at Morrisons is not a recommendation, if anyone is thinking of bringing a bottle chez Fairliered.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,269

    Tubbs

    Worst thing about Christmas is all the sweets and sickly garbage that comes into the house. They don’t go with wine. Absolutely useless. Packets of cashew nuts would make far better gifts.

    Or more wine, as long as the gifters know what they are buying. The bottom shelf at Morrisons is not a recommendation, if anyone is thinking of bringing a bottle chez Fairliered.
    When I was a kid, we used to distil the junk wine into pure alcohol for chemistry experiments. In the kitchen….

    We had all the lab glassware - a Liebig condenser is a thing of beauty.
  • Mikest1982Mikest1982 Posts: 85
    edited January 2023
    Additonally (and sadly not finally), with regard to our future AI overlords, you need to look at AI safety and the "alignment issue" between what we want from a Meta perspective and what the AI will make from it from a Mesa perspective - https://www.youtube.com/@RobertMilesAI/videos

    To use a nice analogy, your meta instructions as humans is to reproduce as thats the DNA instructions. However how you interpret it is 100% off track as mesa (meta is outward, mesa inward) - likely to make money or do this or that - not a problem for a lifeform like us - big issue for an AI under different rules.

    @Leon
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    And R4 presenters and editors even more so.
    All welcome. Leave your tanks at home, please. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64176020
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,960
    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931

    Tubbs

    Worst thing about Christmas is all the sweets and sickly garbage that comes into the house. They don’t go with wine. Absolutely useless. Packets of cashew nuts would make far better gifts.

    Or more wine, as long as the gifters know what they are buying. The bottom shelf at Morrisons is not a recommendation, if anyone is thinking of bringing a bottle chez Fairliered.
    When I was a kid, we used to distil the junk wine into pure alcohol for chemistry experiments. In the kitchen….

    We had all the lab glassware - a Liebig condenser is a thing of beauty.
    I will look out for Malmesbury Gin at the local artisan off-licence.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,960
    edited January 2023
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    Possibly true, but it is far from a posh sport. In my early years we were cramped into a cheap apartment sleeping in the hall and living room and that wasn't untypical in the big resorts. As I got more money I could afford all in chalets, but again that is not expensive compared to a typical summer holiday.

    The lack of snow and glaciers receding obviously is important indicator of climate change and even before that skiers would be monitoring the ski reports daily on ceefax with their fingers crossed.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    I will say it appears he really did open himself up honestly to his ghostwriter on a lot of small details, as some of these personal details and/or gripes either don't paint him in a positive light, or are just bizarre inclusions even if you were putting out an extremely detailed memoir. Like if bios felt the need to tell us what Churchill had for breakfast each morning or something.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931
    HYUFD said:
    I assume that “Cry, God for Harry, England and St. George” is no longer a thing, or at least the Harry bit isn’t.
  • Additonally (and sadly not finally), with regard to our future AI overlords, you need to look at AI safety and the "alignment issue" between what we want from a Meta perspective and what the AI will make from it from a Mesa perspective - https://www.youtube.com/@RobertMilesAI/videos

    To use a nice analogy, your meta instructions as humans is to reproduce as thats the DNA instructions. However how you interpret it is 100% off track as mesa (meta is outward, mesa inward) - likely to make money or do this or that - not a problem for a lifeform like us - big issue for an AI under different rules.

    @Leon

    To make this clear, an AI would happily convert everyone into paperclips.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404
    Kill 25 people get bad karma.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931
    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    Possibly true, but it is far from a posh sport. In my early years we were cramped into a cheap apartment sleeping in the hall and living room and that wasn't untypical in the big resorts. As I got more money I could afford all in chalets, but again that is not expensive compared to a typical summer holiday.

    The lack of snow and glaciers receding obviously is important indicator of climate change and even before that skiers would be monitoring the ski reports daily on ceefax with their fingers crossed.
    Like Golf, skiing is not a posh sport in Scotland, although to balance things out, cricket is a minority sport in Scotland, due to rain regularly stopping play.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    And R4 presenters and editors even more so.
    All welcome. Leave your tanks at home, please. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64176020
    You have to be mad to want to ski in Scotland.

    a) If there is snow it is difficult to get to
    b) It is cold
    c) The runs are rubbish.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    edited January 2023
    "Asked why he robbed banks for a living, the legendary American bank robber Willie Sutton allegedly replied, ‘because that’s where the money is’. Not any more, it isn’t.

    In Denmark, where only twenty of the country’s 740 bank branches still hold cash in their vaults, 2022 was the first year without a bank robbery. There had been 222 as recently as 2002. Sutton, who said he robbed banks because ‘I was more alive when I was inside a bank, robbing it, than at any other time in my life’, would weep.

    Why have Danish bank robbers hung up their swag bags? The reason is Denmark’s rapid transition towards a cashless society, expedited by the pandemic. In the four years to 2021, the proportion of cash used for purchases nearly halved, from 23 percent to 12 percent. Only Sweden and Norway use less cash than Denmark.

    Fortunately, there are still plenty of ATMs in Denmark. And if one happens to have cash, it can still be used nearly everywhere. Unlike the UK, where retailers are entitled to refuse cash payments, staffed retail stores in Denmark are obliged to accept cash." (£)

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/where-have-denmarks-bank-robbers-gone/
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,960
    edited January 2023
    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    Possibly true, but it is far from a posh sport. In my early years we were cramped into a cheap apartment sleeping in the hall and living room and that wasn't untypical in the big resorts. As I got more money I could afford all in chalets, but again that is not expensive compared to a typical summer holiday.

    The lack of snow and glaciers receding obviously is important indicator of climate change and even before that skiers would be monitoring the ski reports daily on ceefax with their fingers crossed.
    Though the average skiing holiday now costs £4688 for a family of 4.
    17% of the annual UK household income and not much different to the cost of a holiday in the Maldives or Caribbean, something also more likely to be undertaken by the upper middle classes and the rich.

    https://travelweekly.co.uk/articles/299857/family-ski-trips-account-for-fifth-of-average-disposable-income

    In the US over half of skiers earn over $100 000 a year

    https://www.powder.com/stories/opinion/extend-the-family/
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    HYUFD said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    Possibly true, but it is far from a posh sport. In my early years we were cramped into a cheap apartment sleeping in the hall and living room and that wasn't untypical in the big resorts. As I got more money I could afford all in chalets, but again that is not expensive compared to a typical summer holiday.

    The lack of snow and glaciers receding obviously is important indicator of climate change and even before that skiers would be monitoring the ski reports daily on ceefax with their fingers crossed.
    Though the average skiing holiday now costs £4688 for a family of 4.
    17% of the annual UK household income and not much different to the cost of a holiday in the Maldives or Caribbean, something also more likely to be undertaken by the upper middle classes and the rich.

    https://travelweekly.co.uk/articles/299857/family-ski-trips-account-for-fifth-of-average-disposable-income

    In the US over half of skiiers earn over $100 000 a year

    https://www.powder.com/stories/opinion/extend-the-family/
    I have never ever paid anywhere near that amount. You need to stop reading articles written by people with more money than sense.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,670
    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    And R4 presenters and editors even more so.
    All welcome. Leave your tanks at home, please. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64176020
    You have to be mad to want to ski in Scotland.

    a) If there is snow it is difficult to get to
    b) It is cold
    c) The runs are rubbish.
    I'm mad.

    One way ticket to Belford/Raigmore/ARI. Watch out for the mud.

  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    Eabhal said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    And R4 presenters and editors even more so.
    All welcome. Leave your tanks at home, please. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64176020
    You have to be mad to want to ski in Scotland.

    a) If there is snow it is difficult to get to
    b) It is cold
    c) The runs are rubbish.
    I'm mad.

    One way ticket to Belford/Raigmore/ARI. Watch out for the mud.

    I've hit rocks, gravel and grass and even gone through a large puddle, but never mud. Sounds like you would shoot out of your bindings and land face down in it.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    HYUFD said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    Possibly true, but it is far from a posh sport. In my early years we were cramped into a cheap apartment sleeping in the hall and living room and that wasn't untypical in the big resorts. As I got more money I could afford all in chalets, but again that is not expensive compared to a typical summer holiday.

    The lack of snow and glaciers receding obviously is important indicator of climate change and even before that skiers would be monitoring the ski reports daily on ceefax with their fingers crossed.
    Though the average skiing holiday now costs £4688 for a family of 4.
    17% of the annual UK household income and not much different to the cost of a holiday in the Maldives or Caribbean, something also more likely to be undertaken by the upper middle classes and the rich.

    https://travelweekly.co.uk/articles/299857/family-ski-trips-account-for-fifth-of-average-disposable-income

    In the US over half of skiers earn over $100 000 a year

    https://www.powder.com/stories/opinion/extend-the-family/
    So just to give you an idea about how daft that article (written by someone who spends that on a holiday) is you can get a Ryanair flight to Austria, and a train direct to a resort can be got for 10 or 20 euros. Youngsters rough it very cheaply. Resorts are full of them. If you can go more upmarket and get an all in Mark Warner holiday you will be quoted more than the price in that article, but only an idiot pays the quoted price. Huge discounts can be got booking late. School holidays are an issue, so I took mine Summer sking on a glacier. Dead cheap.

    Only if you have money to burn need it cost a lot.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,567
    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    Oh, the inhumanity.

    Has he thought of changing his name from "Prince" to a symbol? If he looked through some spoilt ballots, he might get some ideas of one to use....
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286
    dixiedean said:

    Kill 25 people get bad karma.

    I can't believe the publishers allowed that to be included.

    I mean maybe it doesn't matter if Prince Harry, the Royal Family and the British people are terrorist targets but you wouldn't have thought it's a position Random House would want to find themselves in would you?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,158
    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    Possibly true, but it is far from a posh sport. In my early years we were cramped into a cheap apartment sleeping in the hall and living room and that wasn't untypical in the big resorts. As I got more money I could afford all in chalets, but again that is not expensive compared to a typical summer holiday.

    The lack of snow and glaciers receding obviously is important indicator of climate change and even before that skiers would be monitoring the ski reports daily on ceefax with their fingers crossed.
    Though the average skiing holiday now costs £4688 for a family of 4.
    17% of the annual UK household income and not much different to the cost of a holiday in the Maldives or Caribbean, something also more likely to be undertaken by the upper middle classes and the rich.

    https://travelweekly.co.uk/articles/299857/family-ski-trips-account-for-fifth-of-average-disposable-income

    In the US over half of skiiers earn over $100 000 a year

    https://www.powder.com/stories/opinion/extend-the-family/
    I have never ever paid anywhere near that amount. You need to stop reading articles written by people with more money than sense.
    Skiing is incredibly expensive if you need to go during school holidays.

    And quite reasonably priced if you don't.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,648
    edited January 2023
    6-year-old in custody after shooting teacher in Virginia, police chief says

    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/06/us/newport-news-virginia-shooting/index.html

    A 6-year-old boy is in police custody after he shot a teacher at Richneck Elementary School in Newport News, Virginia, Friday afternoon, Police Chief Steve Drew said in a news conference.

    Drew said the female teacher – who is in her 30s – was shot inside a classroom and added that “this was not an accidental shooting.”

    The police chief said there was an altercation between the teacher and the student, who had the firearm, and that a single round was fired.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Leave it to the experts.

    "Microbiologist at the University of East Anglia, Professor David Livermore, and Journalist Nina Myskow clash over whether we should reintroduce certain Covid restrictions to save the NHS."

    https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1610756550867681281
  • So far, 3 votes from GOPers NOT cast for McCarthy, and 1 Present = Boebert

    From NYT live blog:

    At Bullfeathers, a popular congressional watering hole that is showing the vote, one bargoer yelled “sellout!” when Boebert voted “present.”
  • Gaetz not in chamber when his name was called - no doubt so that he can be cast his vote at the end, in most dramatic fashion.

    What a prick.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    Is McCarthy going to do it this time?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited January 2023
    McCarthy = 216 = 1 vote shy of required majority, based on 432 members voting for named candidate.

    Because 2 Republicans voted "Present" = Boebert & Gaetz.

    Addendum - still possible for a member to change his - or her -vote.
  • Voting is closed, Clerk just confirmed totals. ". . . a Speaker has NOT been elected.

    Kevinite moving to adjourn until Noon Monday. Yeas and Nays requested & ordered.

    Electronic roll call on motion to adjourn now in progress.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,900
    edited January 2023
    GIN1138 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Kill 25 people get bad karma.

    I can't believe the publishers allowed that to be included.

    I mean maybe it doesn't matter if Prince Harry, the Royal Family and the British people are terrorist targets but you wouldn't have thought it's a position Random House would want to find themselves in would you?
    Perhaps Harry thinks the Taliban claim will force us to pay for his 24x7 security.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    I had no idea the House of Reps could sound so similar to the House of Commons.
  • NYT live blog -

    This is stating the obvious, but the last speaker never held a floor vote unless she knew she would win.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited January 2023
    Motion to adjourn was on verge of passage, with clear majority despite 4 nay votes for GOPers.

    However, in last few minutes, Republicans have been switching to Nay in droves, now 37 voting with the Democrats to say in session . . . and number keeps rising.

    Less than half hour left to Friday in Washington DC.

    Addendum - will be interesting to find out, who made the move among GOPers to stay in session? Then once it was obvious motion to adjourn would fail, bunch of others got on the bandwagon.

    Most likely to look good - or at least a wee bit better - back home. Where folks are NOT in sympathetic to House members need for a restful weekend!

    2nd Addendum - now 67 Republicans voting Nay
  • Arkansas GOPer rises to (re)nominate McCarthy.

    Slightly hollow ring to Republican cheers!
  • Democrat - "I rise to say Wow." And to (re)nominate Hakeem Jeffries.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,658
    An amazing photo here:

    https://twitter.com/Al_Drago/status/1611580635969118209?t=fY6DVhyxASYm_sH6Y65hjw&s=19

    Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, a Republican from Georgia, holds her smart phone with former US President Donald Trump on the line, as Rep. Matt Rosendale, a Republican from Montana, waves it off during a meeting of the 118th Congress in the House Chamber on Friday.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited January 2023
    Biggs votes "Present" having consistently voted for named non-Kevin in all previous ballots.

    That could be just enough to elect McCarthy tonight.

    Boebert also "Present". (In at least one sense anyway.)

    Crane switches to "Present" also.

    Addendum - starting to look like KMcC will be Speaker the cock crows. (Am NOT referring to Matt Gaetz.)
  • Gaetz votes (again) "Present" as does Goode, another switch.

    Anyone wanna bet that George Santos will switch from Kevin McCarthy to Joe Biden?

    Wouldn't change outcome of Speaker vote. AND note that POTUS does have power to pardon for federal crimes.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,557
    McCarthy has clearly got it this time.
  • Andy_JS said:

    McCarthy has clearly got it this time.

    Backed off the boards on Betfair.
  • Kevin McCarthy = 216 = elected
    Hakeem Jeffries = 212
    Present = 6 all Republicans
    votes cast = 428

    "Therefore, the Honorable Kevin McCarthy of the State of California, having received a majority of the votes cast, is duly elected Speaker of the House of Representatives."
  • Nancy Pelosi named as part of the bipartisan group designated to escort the new Speaker to take the Chair. Along with the entire California delegation.

    This is a tradition established I believe before the Civil War.

    Kevin McCarthy is the 55th member of the US House of Representatives to be elected Speaker.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    I weep at the injustices suffered by poor Prince Harry.
    Decades more of his tedium to look forward to. Or might we blessed with him drifting into obscurity now the story is sold?
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 694

    I've just watched Ben Elton's Upstart, Crow for the first time.

    A friend tipped me off - had no idea that existed, even though it's been around 5 years.

    I was crying tears of laughter in episode one. Brilliant.

    Ben Elton's uncle Sir Geoffrey Elton was a distinguished Tudor historian. I read his book "The Tudor Constitution" for History A level.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    SandraMc said:

    I've just watched Ben Elton's Upstart, Crow for the first time.

    A friend tipped me off - had no idea that existed, even though it's been around 5 years.

    I was crying tears of laughter in episode one. Brilliant.

    Ben Elton's uncle Sir Geoffrey Elton was a distinguished Tudor historian. I read his book "The Tudor Constitution" for History A level.
    Geoffrey Elton was the quintessential English establishment historian. Which brought him much criticism in his later years from the avant-garde historians.

    This is really amusing given his background, of course. Indeed, as he had a sense of humour he found it so himself. He wrote a charming letter to one critic, noting 'I am not English-born and not perhaps quite so insular as you suppose.'
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,790
    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Jessop, quite.

    Harry's launched a TV series and book trashing his family, while claiming he wants to reconcile. But any conversation could easily end up as chapter 2 in his second book.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On checking, Google Translate does NOT offer Coptic, Old Norse, Cornish, Saami, Tibetan, Rapa Nui, Geez, Hmong, Sumerian or Klingon so ChatGPT really is doing something impressive here. If the translations are accurate, of course

    Your Sinhala phrase means "I'm a little tired" according to Google Translate. I could see if some of my Sinhalese relatives can offer an alternative translation. According to Google Translate your phrase should read මම පූසෙක් මම මීයන් කනවා, and from my limited knowledge of Sinhala I know that the word for cat is correct in that translation.
    Indeed, it seems at least half of them are wrong - often entirely wrong, and a bit crazy - yet others are right (and not necessarily the easier ones)


    Fascinating. It does show how this machine will churn out plausible bullshit, when in the mood, and to make it worse the bullshit is mixed with impressive accuracy. Dangerous!

    I wonder how it chooses the phrases to invent?! That's intriguing by itself
    Now now. ChatGPT was going to remove the need for doctors to deal with complex medical problems the other day. Now it is struggling to algorithmically translate some text from one language to another.

    Not much of a problem if you mistakenly order dog's testicles in a foreign restaurant. More of a problem, I suspect, when seeking medical advice or diagnosis.

    But I suppose a leading fiction writer knows best, despite having no understanding of medicine or AI, because he can 'imagine'.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    moonshine said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    I weep at the injustices suffered by poor Prince Harry.
    Decades more of his tedium to look forward to. Or might we blessed with him drifting into obscurity now the story is sold?
    The publishers will have got the 'juiciest' stories, I reckon. And the ones released so far probably damage H&M's brand than the royal family's.

    I reckon in ten years they'll be reduced to sob stories about how the royal family are blanking them. Although who could blame the royal family: it's obvious that anything said in private will soon become public knowledge.

    If I had a family member like that (and wealth...) I'd communicate via lawyer's letters...
    I think I'd save the fee by not communicating at all.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    ...
    DavidL said:

    An interesting addition to the discussion on conatraint payments for wind and interconnectors to Europe. I remember discussing this with @DavidL the other week - he in favour of interconnectors to the continent, myself against.

    A comment on John Redwood's blog says this - citing the Renewable Energy Foundation - I've asked for a link:

    "That despite the increase in interconnector capacity, which has allowed much more export of surplus wind, often at low or even negative prices while being heavily subsidised by UK consumers. This is a major scandal, with subsidies of the full strike price of up to £187.47/MWh on CFDs and over £200/MWh for floating wind on ROCs for the benefit of other countries."

    So interconnectors mean the UK consumer is not only subsidising the foreign owners of UK wind farms for providing power (and not providing power) to the UK, but for providing it at bargain bin prices to everyone else. The more you look at the system, the more putrid it reveals itself to be.

    The intermittency of wind means that there will be some strange market behaviour at both extremes, when they're is lots of wind and when there isn't very much.

    These sorts of price signals are useful information to the market to ensure that as much of the wind power generated is used or stored when it's available, and that we still have enough supply when there isn't much wind. If people abroad are being paid to use our wind energy across the interconnectors then that means there's a big price signal for people to invest in energy storage in Britain. The market will work it out. Transition periods can always be a bit messy.

    I wouldn't get too hung up on what happens in isolation at these extremes. It's the aggregate effect that matters.
    Correct, and a slightly lower price would have to be offset against the cost of batteries.
    No it is not correct! Suppliers of wind energy still receive the full subsidy from the UK taxpayer (which we pay on our bill); there's no incentive whatsoever to avoid either constraining (which is richly subsidised) or providing the continent with cut price energy. I dread to even ask what 'negative prices' means - we pay them for using our energy?

    Far from being incentivised in any way to store power or ensure that more of it reaches the grid, the current regime ensures that the owners of wind capacity are richly compensated for doing the opposite.
  • moonshine said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    I weep at the injustices suffered by poor Prince Harry.
    Decades more of his tedium to look forward to. Or might we blessed with him drifting into obscurity now the story is sold?
    I would imagine absolute obscurity will only be reached when the last PBer stops commenting on him and his psychodrama.

    So that’s a no, then.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    edited January 2023

    moonshine said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    I weep at the injustices suffered by poor Prince Harry.
    Decades more of his tedium to look forward to. Or might we blessed with him drifting into obscurity now the story is sold?
    I would imagine absolute obscurity will only be reached when the last PBer stops commenting on him and his psychodrama.

    So that’s a no, then.
    Which do we reckon will happen first:

    1) Scott P abandoning rejoin
    2) Stuart Dickson supporting the Union
    3) Us stopping wittering on about Prince Harry
    4) Vladimir Putin coming out as an agent of Ukrainian Intelligence
    5) The DfE managing to say something intelligent and well-informed about education
    6) The heat death of the universe.

    My money would be on 6...
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    I weep at the injustices suffered by poor Prince Harry.
    Decades more of his tedium to look forward to. Or might we blessed with him drifting into obscurity now the story is sold?
    I would imagine absolute obscurity will only be reached when the last PBer stops commenting on him and his psychodrama.

    So that’s a no, then.
    Which do we reckon will happen first:

    1) Scott P abandoning rejoin
    2) Stuart Dickson supporting the Union
    3) Us stopping wittering on about Prince Harry
    4) Vladimir Putin coming out as an agent of Ukrainian Intelligence
    5) The DfE managing to say something intelligent and well-informed about education
    6) The heat death of the universe.

    My money would be on 6...
    You would lose your bet. The Earth will become uninhabitable in less that a billion years due to increased output from the Sun. The heat death of the universe will be some time further off if it ever happens.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    I weep at the injustices suffered by poor Prince Harry.
    Decades more of his tedium to look forward to. Or might we blessed with him drifting into obscurity now the story is sold?
    I would imagine absolute obscurity will only be reached when the last PBer stops commenting on him and his psychodrama.

    So that’s a no, then.
    Which do we reckon will happen first:

    1) Scott P abandoning rejoin
    2) Stuart Dickson supporting the Union
    3) Us stopping wittering on about Prince Harry
    4) Vladimir Putin coming out as an agent of Ukrainian Intelligence
    5) The DfE managing to say something intelligent and well-informed about education
    6) The heat death of the universe.

    My money would be on 6...
    You would lose your bet. The Earth will become uninhabitable in less that a billion years due to increased output from the Sun. The heat death of the universe will be some time further off if it ever happens.
    But if none of the first five have happened by the time Earth is uninhabitable, surely the bet's a winner? The heat death of the universe will happen first.

    Of course, collecting might be a problem but I'm sure we can get round that somehow.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,362
    edited January 2023

    ...

    DavidL said:

    An interesting addition to the discussion on conatraint payments for wind and interconnectors to Europe. I remember discussing this with @DavidL the other week - he in favour of interconnectors to the continent, myself against.

    A comment on John Redwood's blog says this - citing the Renewable Energy Foundation - I've asked for a link:

    "That despite the increase in interconnector capacity, which has allowed much more export of surplus wind, often at low or even negative prices while being heavily subsidised by UK consumers. This is a major scandal, with subsidies of the full strike price of up to £187.47/MWh on CFDs and over £200/MWh for floating wind on ROCs for the benefit of other countries."

    So interconnectors mean the UK consumer is not only subsidising the foreign owners of UK wind farms for providing power (and not providing power) to the UK, but for providing it at bargain bin prices to everyone else. The more you look at the system, the more putrid it reveals itself to be.

    The intermittency of wind means that there will be some strange market behaviour at both extremes, when they're is lots of wind and when there isn't very much.

    These sorts of price signals are useful information to the market to ensure that as much of the wind power generated is used or stored when it's available, and that we still have enough supply when there isn't much wind. If people abroad are being paid to use our wind energy across the interconnectors then that means there's a big price signal for people to invest in energy storage in Britain. The market will work it out. Transition periods can always be a bit messy.

    I wouldn't get too hung up on what happens in isolation at these extremes. It's the aggregate effect that matters.
    Correct, and a slightly lower price would have to be offset against the cost of batteries.
    No it is not correct! Suppliers of wind energy still receive the full subsidy from the UK taxpayer (which we pay on our bill); there's no incentive whatsoever to avoid either constraining (which is richly subsidised) or providing the continent with cut price energy. I dread to even ask what 'negative prices' means - we pay them for using our energy?

    Far from being incentivised in any way to store power or ensure that more of it reaches the grid, the current regime ensures that the owners of wind capacity are richly compensated for doing the opposite.
    The market is incentivised to provide storage. Pretty much anyone can do it. It doesn't have to be the same people who build the wind turbines.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    edited January 2023

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    I weep at the injustices suffered by poor Prince Harry.
    Decades more of his tedium to look forward to. Or might we blessed with him drifting into obscurity now the story is sold?
    I would imagine absolute obscurity will only be reached when the last PBer stops commenting on him and his psychodrama.

    So that’s a no, then.
    Which do we reckon will happen first:

    1) Scott P abandoning rejoin
    2) Stuart Dickson supporting the Union
    3) Us stopping wittering on about Prince Harry
    4) Vladimir Putin coming out as an agent of Ukrainian Intelligence
    5) The DfE managing to say something intelligent and well-informed about education
    6) The heat death of the universe.

    My money would be on 6...
    You would lose your bet. The Earth will become uninhabitable in less that a billion years due to increased output from the Sun. The heat death of the universe will be some time further off if it ever happens.
    OTOH it's not a bet Ydoerthur will ever have to pay up on.

    Edit: Bah - too late as ever!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On checking, Google Translate does NOT offer Coptic, Old Norse, Cornish, Saami, Tibetan, Rapa Nui, Geez, Hmong, Sumerian or Klingon so ChatGPT really is doing something impressive here. If the translations are accurate, of course

    Your Sinhala phrase means "I'm a little tired" according to Google Translate. I could see if some of my Sinhalese relatives can offer an alternative translation. According to Google Translate your phrase should read මම පූසෙක් මම මීයන් කනවා, and from my limited knowledge of Sinhala I know that the word for cat is correct in that translation.
    Indeed, it seems at least half of them are wrong - often entirely wrong, and a bit crazy - yet others are right (and not necessarily the easier ones)


    Fascinating. It does show how this machine will churn out plausible bullshit, when in the mood, and to make it worse the bullshit is mixed with impressive accuracy. Dangerous!

    I wonder how it chooses the phrases to invent?! That's intriguing by itself
    Now now. ChatGPT was going to remove the need for doctors to deal with complex medical problems the other day. Now it is struggling to algorithmically translate some text from one language to another.

    Not much of a problem if you mistakenly order dog's testicles in a foreign restaurant. More of a problem, I suspect, when seeking medical advice or diagnosis.

    But I suppose a leading fiction writer knows best, despite having no understanding of medicine or AI, because he can 'imagine'.
    Interesting use of the word 'leading' there.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    Wings taking a pop at James Kelly, late of this parish:

    https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1611382124883628033

    He has blocked me so I cannot comment
  • DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    I weep at the injustices suffered by poor Prince Harry.
    Decades more of his tedium to look forward to. Or might we blessed with him drifting into obscurity now the story is sold?
    The publishers will have got the 'juiciest' stories, I reckon. And the ones released so far probably damage H&M's brand than the royal family's.

    I reckon in ten years they'll be reduced to sob stories about how the royal family are blanking them. Although who could blame the royal family: it's obvious that anything said in private will soon become public knowledge.

    If I had a family member like that (and wealth...) I'd communicate via lawyer's letters...
    I think I'd save the fee by not communicating at all.
    I try very hard not to have any interest in this nonsense at all but I do, at last, feel sorry for Charles. He had a couple of decades with an extremely manipulative wife and ex wife making his life a misery by playing the media game and now his son is doing the same, despite his pleas not to. Charles is an emotionally stunted and damaged individual who inevitably has little to no understanding of normal life but no one deserves two helpings of this in a single lifetime.
    Is "extremely manipulative wife and ex wife" one person or two? Is he too royal to see the moral downside of shagging one person and marrying another, simultaneously?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    malcolmg said:

    Wings taking a pop at James Kelly, late of this parish:

    https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1611382124883628033

    He has blocked me so I cannot comment
    Who, James or Wings?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    And R4 presenters and editors even more so.
    All welcome. Leave your tanks at home, please. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64176020
    You have to be mad to want to ski in Scotland.

    a) If there is snow it is difficult to get to
    b) It is cold
    c) The runs are rubbish.
    Bellend, luckily we do not get arseholes like you coming. Pity poor old Europe having the likes of you over there wanting egg and chips with your morning SUN.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    I weep at the injustices suffered by poor Prince Harry.
    Decades more of his tedium to look forward to. Or might we blessed with him drifting into obscurity now the story is sold?
    The publishers will have got the 'juiciest' stories, I reckon. And the ones released so far probably damage H&M's brand than the royal family's.

    I reckon in ten years they'll be reduced to sob stories about how the royal family are blanking them. Although who could blame the royal family: it's obvious that anything said in private will soon become public knowledge.

    If I had a family member like that (and wealth...) I'd communicate via lawyer's letters...
    I think I'd save the fee by not communicating at all.
    I try very hard not to have any interest in this nonsense at all but I do, at last, feel sorry for Charles. He had a couple of decades with an extremely manipulative wife and ex wife making his life a misery by playing the media game and now his son is doing the same, despite his pleas not to. Charles is an emotionally stunted and damaged individual who inevitably has little to no understanding of normal life but no one deserves two helpings of this in a single lifetime.
    He is a pompous , snobby arsehole on the other hand so karma.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    Eabhal said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    And R4 presenters and editors even more so.
    All welcome. Leave your tanks at home, please. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64176020
    You have to be mad to want to ski in Scotland.

    a) If there is snow it is difficult to get to
    b) It is cold
    c) The runs are rubbish.
    I'm mad.

    One way ticket to Belford/Raigmore/ARI. Watch out for the mud.

    Good Uncle Tom impersonation there.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    malcolmg said:

    Wings taking a pop at James Kelly, late of this parish:

    https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1611382124883628033

    He has blocked me so I cannot comment
    Who, James or Wings?
    Wings
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784
    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    I weep at the injustices suffered by poor Prince Harry.
    Decades more of his tedium to look forward to. Or might we blessed with him drifting into obscurity now the story is sold?
    The publishers will have got the 'juiciest' stories, I reckon. And the ones released so far probably damage H&M's brand than the royal family's.

    I reckon in ten years they'll be reduced to sob stories about how the royal family are blanking them. Although who could blame the royal family: it's obvious that anything said in private will soon become public knowledge.

    If I had a family member like that (and wealth...) I'd communicate via lawyer's letters...
    I think I'd save the fee by not communicating at all.
    I try very hard not to have any interest in this nonsense at all but I do, at last, feel sorry for Charles. He had a couple of decades with an extremely manipulative wife and ex wife making his life a misery by playing the media game and now his son is doing the same, despite his pleas not to. Charles is an emotionally stunted and damaged individual who inevitably has little to no understanding of normal life but no one deserves two helpings of this in a single lifetime.
    The whole psychodrama could have been avoided if Charles had either been allowed to marry Camilla in the first place or found someone else that he actually loved and married her while not shagging Camilla at the same time. Pretending to love Diana, marrying her but carrying on with Camilla at the same time was an unforgivable act of caddishness on his part and he deserved everything he got from Diana and then some. People who cheat on their spouses get zero sympathy from me.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    Possibly true, but it is far from a posh sport. In my early years we were cramped into a cheap apartment sleeping in the hall and living room and that wasn't untypical in the big resorts. As I got more money I could afford all in chalets, but again that is not expensive compared to a typical summer holiday.

    The lack of snow and glaciers receding obviously is important indicator of climate change and even before that skiers would be monitoring the ski reports daily on ceefax with their fingers crossed.
    Though the average skiing holiday now costs £4688 for a family of 4.
    17% of the annual UK household income and not much different to the cost of a holiday in the Maldives or Caribbean, something also more likely to be undertaken by the upper middle classes and the rich.

    https://travelweekly.co.uk/articles/299857/family-ski-trips-account-for-fifth-of-average-disposable-income

    In the US over half of skiiers earn over $100 000 a year

    https://www.powder.com/stories/opinion/extend-the-family/
    I have never ever paid anywhere near that amount. You need to stop reading articles written by people with more money than sense.
    Skiing is incredibly expensive if you need to go during school holidays.

    And quite reasonably priced if you don't.
    So true, but there are ways around it (see previous posts and below) Worse of course are the bloody crowds on the slopes and at the lifts and of course lessons for the sprogs during school holidays.

    What irritates me more is @HYUFD, as usual quoting from an article on the internet as if it is fact. Some page filler taken as gospel when he know f*** all about it. He probably hasn't ever put a pair of skis on ever whereas there will be quite a few on PB that have. I have skied twice a year every year from my 20s to my 60s, sometimes 3 times a year.

    Ways around the school holiday issue are for instance going skiing at Whitsun on a glacier and organise it yourself. We taught our kids by doing that in Kaprun for several years. A RyanAir flight and cheap train, no crowds and perfect snow. Downside is the runs are limiting for a decent skier, but then I would go some other time to a good resort with friends for decent runs.

    Relatively recently I went with friends who didn't want to pay much and we went to Zermatt. Now that is a proper resort and in Switzerland for goodness sake, but can be done on the cheap. Again organise yourself, cheap flight, cheap train direct to resort, apartment with living room that can be converted into a bedroom. Done during school holidays.

    Outside of school holidays I used to go for apartments when I couldn't afford better and later chalets with a crowd when I could. I would never go back to apartments unless I had to. Sometimes if there were only 2 or 3 of us we would book Mark Warner (or equivalent) a few days before going at a fraction of the price (probably not possible during school holidays).
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    I weep at the injustices suffered by poor Prince Harry.
    Decades more of his tedium to look forward to. Or might we blessed with him drifting into obscurity now the story is sold?
    I would imagine absolute obscurity will only be reached when the last PBer stops commenting on him and his psychodrama.

    So that’s a no, then.
    Which do we reckon will happen first:

    1) Scott P abandoning rejoin
    2) Stuart Dickson supporting the Union
    3) Us stopping wittering on about Prince Harry
    4) Vladimir Putin coming out as an agent of Ukrainian Intelligence
    5) The DfE managing to say something intelligent and well-informed about education
    6) The heat death of the universe.

    My money would be on 6...
    You would lose your bet. The Earth will become uninhabitable in less that a billion years due to increased output from the Sun. The heat death of the universe will be some time further off if it ever happens.
    Talking as you are of the Sun. When that event happens, what would be it's headline on such a seminal day? "Phew, what a scorcher".
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Wings taking a pop at James Kelly, late of this parish:

    https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1611382124883628033

    He has blocked me so I cannot comment
    Who, James or Wings?
    Wings
    That’s surprisingly precious of the Vicar of Bath, who purports to enjoy robust debates - typical bully then - can dish it out but can’t take it (though blocking does seem to be a feature of Scottish politics):

    Apparently, the convener of the committee that considers equalities, human rights and civil justice matter including debt, evictions and family law would prefer not to know what I think. Rampant hubris on my part, of course, but I remain flabbergasted.….

    In general, I support anyone’s right to block on Twitter. But @joefitzsnp is the convener of the Scottish Parliament’s Equalities, Human Rights and *CIVIL JUSTICE* Committee. That being so, I find this news 👇🏻surprising and disappointing.


    https://twitter.com/RoddyQC/status/1609914678888611842

    Roddy is Dean of the Faculty of Advocates
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,784
    kjh said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    Possibly true, but it is far from a posh sport. In my early years we were cramped into a cheap apartment sleeping in the hall and living room and that wasn't untypical in the big resorts. As I got more money I could afford all in chalets, but again that is not expensive compared to a typical summer holiday.

    The lack of snow and glaciers receding obviously is important indicator of climate change and even before that skiers would be monitoring the ski reports daily on ceefax with their fingers crossed.
    Though the average skiing holiday now costs £4688 for a family of 4.
    17% of the annual UK household income and not much different to the cost of a holiday in the Maldives or Caribbean, something also more likely to be undertaken by the upper middle classes and the rich.

    https://travelweekly.co.uk/articles/299857/family-ski-trips-account-for-fifth-of-average-disposable-income

    In the US over half of skiiers earn over $100 000 a year

    https://www.powder.com/stories/opinion/extend-the-family/
    I have never ever paid anywhere near that amount. You need to stop reading articles written by people with more money than sense.
    Skiing is incredibly expensive if you need to go during school holidays.

    And quite reasonably priced if you don't.
    So true, but there are ways around it (see previous posts and below) Worse of course are the bloody crowds on the slopes and at the lifts and of course lessons for the sprogs during school holidays.

    What irritates me more is @HYUFD, as usual quoting from an article on the internet as if it is fact. Some page filler taken as gospel when he know f*** all about it. He probably hasn't ever put a pair of skis on ever whereas there will be quite a few on PB that have. I have skied twice a year every year from my 20s to my 60s, sometimes 3 times a year.

    Ways around the school holiday issue are for instance going skiing at Whitsun on a glacier and organise it yourself. We taught our kids by doing that in Kaprun for several years. A RyanAir flight and cheap train, no crowds and perfect snow. Downside is the runs are limiting for a decent skier, but then I would go some other time to a good resort with friends for decent runs.

    Relatively recently I went with friends who didn't want to pay much and we went to Zermatt. Now that is a proper resort and in Switzerland for goodness sake, but can be done on the cheap. Again organise yourself, cheap flight, cheap train direct to resort, apartment with living room that can be converted into a bedroom. Done during school holidays.

    Outside of school holidays I used to go for apartments when I couldn't afford better and later chalets with a crowd when I could. I would never go back to apartments unless I had to. Sometimes if there were only 2 or 3 of us we would book Mark Warner (or equivalent) a few days before going at a fraction of the price (probably not possible during school holidays).
    HYUFD is right though that, outside of bits of Scotland where you can do it locally (weather permitting) skiing in the UK is predominantly a sport pursued by well off posh people. There's nothing wrong with that, and there are of course exceptions, but anyone who has had enough exposure to different class/income groups over their lifetime will have spotted the correlation.
  • Stinking hypocrites update.

    I see the tabloids prolapsing over Harry’s Taliban tally and the huge danger he's put everyone in are now calling the deid Talibs ‘victims’, and yet..



    https://twitter.com/pete_nicoll/status/1611599947069263872?s=61&t=7_byrTfKizIVTQEIG_7Few
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On checking, Google Translate does NOT offer Coptic, Old Norse, Cornish, Saami, Tibetan, Rapa Nui, Geez, Hmong, Sumerian or Klingon so ChatGPT really is doing something impressive here. If the translations are accurate, of course

    Your Sinhala phrase means "I'm a little tired" according to Google Translate. I could see if some of my Sinhalese relatives can offer an alternative translation. According to Google Translate your phrase should read මම පූසෙක් මම මීයන් කනවා, and from my limited knowledge of Sinhala I know that the word for cat is correct in that translation.
    Indeed, it seems at least half of them are wrong - often entirely wrong, and a bit crazy - yet others are right (and not necessarily the easier ones)


    Fascinating. It does show how this machine will churn out plausible bullshit, when in the mood, and to make it worse the bullshit is mixed with impressive accuracy. Dangerous!

    I wonder how it chooses the phrases to invent?! That's intriguing by itself
    Now now. ChatGPT was going to remove the need for doctors to deal with complex medical problems the other day. Now it is struggling to algorithmically translate some text from one language to another.

    Not much of a problem if you mistakenly order dog's testicles in a foreign restaurant. More of a problem, I suspect, when seeking medical advice or diagnosis.

    But I suppose a leading fiction writer knows best, despite having no understanding of medicine or AI, because he can 'imagine'.
    It is home and dry as far as medical diagnosis is concerned.

    "Current AI development has a diagnostic performance that is comparable with medical experts, especially in image recognition-related fields. "

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6716335/

    Why not tell us about the obstacles in the way of heavier-than-air flight?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,803

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    I weep at the injustices suffered by poor Prince Harry.
    Decades more of his tedium to look forward to. Or might we blessed with him drifting into obscurity now the story is sold?
    The publishers will have got the 'juiciest' stories, I reckon. And the ones released so far probably damage H&M's brand than the royal family's.

    I reckon in ten years they'll be reduced to sob stories about how the royal family are blanking them. Although who could blame the royal family: it's obvious that anything said in private will soon become public knowledge.

    If I had a family member like that (and wealth...) I'd communicate via lawyer's letters...
    I think I'd save the fee by not communicating at all.
    I try very hard not to have any interest in this nonsense at all but I do, at last, feel sorry for Charles. He had a couple of decades with an extremely manipulative wife and ex wife making his life a misery by playing the media game and now his son is doing the same, despite his pleas not to. Charles is an emotionally stunted and damaged individual who inevitably has little to no understanding of normal life but no one deserves two helpings of this in a single lifetime.
    The whole psychodrama could have been avoided if Charles had either been allowed to marry Camilla in the first place or found someone else that he actually loved and married her while not shagging Camilla at the same time. Pretending to love Diana, marrying her but carrying on with Camilla at the same time was an unforgivable act of caddishness on his part and he deserved everything he got from Diana and then some. People who cheat on their spouses get zero sympathy from me.
    I don't think the royals are expected to abide by the same sort of code of behaviour as the rest of us on this matter.
    Surely Diana went into the marriage with her eyes open? Wives of heirs are there to provide more heirs. If there is some sort of love, respect or affection then that is a bonus.

    I agree with malcolm downthread that Charles appears to be a pompous arse. But being a pompous arse doesn't rank quite as low as publicy and repeatedly trashing your family (whom you claim to want a reconciliation with).
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    I weep at the injustices suffered by poor Prince Harry.
    Decades more of his tedium to look forward to. Or might we blessed with him drifting into obscurity now the story is sold?
    I would imagine absolute obscurity will only be reached when the last PBer stops commenting on him and his psychodrama.

    So that’s a no, then.
    Which do we reckon will happen first:

    1) Scott P abandoning rejoin
    2) Stuart Dickson supporting the Union
    3) Us stopping wittering on about Prince Harry
    4) Vladimir Putin coming out as an agent of Ukrainian Intelligence
    5) The DfE managing to say something intelligent and well-informed about education
    6) The heat death of the universe.

    My money would be on 6...
    You would lose your bet. The Earth will become uninhabitable in less that a billion years due to increased output from the Sun. The heat death of the universe will be some time further off if it ever happens.
    Talking as you are of the Sun. When that event happens, what would be it's headline on such a seminal day? "Phew, what a scorcher".
    Hopefully that ludicrous rag would be the first to go up in flames.

    Toodle-pip!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Wings taking a pop at James Kelly, late of this parish:

    https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1611382124883628033

    He has blocked me so I cannot comment
    Who, James or Wings?
    Wings
    That’s surprisingly precious of the Vicar of Bath, who purports to enjoy robust debates - typical bully then - can dish it out but can’t take it (though blocking does seem to be a feature of Scottish politics):

    Apparently, the convener of the committee that considers equalities, human rights and civil justice matter including debt, evictions and family law would prefer not to know what I think. Rampant hubris on my part, of course, but I remain flabbergasted.….

    In general, I support anyone’s right to block on Twitter. But @joefitzsnp is the convener of the Scottish Parliament’s Equalities, Human Rights and *CIVIL JUSTICE* Committee. That being so, I find this news 👇🏻surprising and disappointing.


    https://twitter.com/RoddyQC/status/1609914678888611842

    Roddy is Dean of the Faculty of Advocates
    SNP MSP's/MP's block almost everyone that asks them a question, they are pathetic and the worst at it. Why wings blocked me I have no idea I certainly did not have any great debate, at worst I commented/asked question once on something he posted.
  • Cookie said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    I weep at the injustices suffered by poor Prince Harry.
    Decades more of his tedium to look forward to. Or might we blessed with him drifting into obscurity now the story is sold?
    The publishers will have got the 'juiciest' stories, I reckon. And the ones released so far probably damage H&M's brand than the royal family's.

    I reckon in ten years they'll be reduced to sob stories about how the royal family are blanking them. Although who could blame the royal family: it's obvious that anything said in private will soon become public knowledge.

    If I had a family member like that (and wealth...) I'd communicate via lawyer's letters...
    I think I'd save the fee by not communicating at all.
    I try very hard not to have any interest in this nonsense at all but I do, at last, feel sorry for Charles. He had a couple of decades with an extremely manipulative wife and ex wife making his life a misery by playing the media game and now his son is doing the same, despite his pleas not to. Charles is an emotionally stunted and damaged individual who inevitably has little to no understanding of normal life but no one deserves two helpings of this in a single lifetime.
    The whole psychodrama could have been avoided if Charles had either been allowed to marry Camilla in the first place or found someone else that he actually loved and married her while not shagging Camilla at the same time. Pretending to love Diana, marrying her but carrying on with Camilla at the same time was an unforgivable act of caddishness on his part and he deserved everything he got from Diana and then some. People who cheat on their spouses get zero sympathy from me.
    I don't think the royals are expected to abide by the same sort of code of behaviour as the rest of us on this matter.
    Surely Diana went into the marriage with her eyes open? Wives of heirs are there to provide more heirs. If there is some sort of love, respect or affection then that is a bonus.

    I agree with malcolm downthread that Charles appears to be a pompous arse. But being a pompous arse doesn't rank quite as low as publicy and repeatedly trashing your family (whom you claim to want a reconciliation with).
    Golly. Complete capitulation to our insect overlords. Diana was a lovestruck teenager at the time, you could see her gushing and him hating it in the pre match interview. The one where he shittily said "whatever love means."

    If being royal justifies this level of shittiness, abolishing it is the way forward. The man is a complete shit, and I don't see that having been cynically fathered by him for dynastic insurance, rules out saying so.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786

    kjh said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    Possibly true, but it is far from a posh sport. In my early years we were cramped into a cheap apartment sleeping in the hall and living room and that wasn't untypical in the big resorts. As I got more money I could afford all in chalets, but again that is not expensive compared to a typical summer holiday.

    The lack of snow and glaciers receding obviously is important indicator of climate change and even before that skiers would be monitoring the ski reports daily on ceefax with their fingers crossed.
    Though the average skiing holiday now costs £4688 for a family of 4.
    17% of the annual UK household income and not much different to the cost of a holiday in the Maldives or Caribbean, something also more likely to be undertaken by the upper middle classes and the rich.

    https://travelweekly.co.uk/articles/299857/family-ski-trips-account-for-fifth-of-average-disposable-income

    In the US over half of skiiers earn over $100 000 a year

    https://www.powder.com/stories/opinion/extend-the-family/
    I have never ever paid anywhere near that amount. You need to stop reading articles written by people with more money than sense.
    Skiing is incredibly expensive if you need to go during school holidays.

    And quite reasonably priced if you don't.
    So true, but there are ways around it (see previous posts and below) Worse of course are the bloody crowds on the slopes and at the lifts and of course lessons for the sprogs during school holidays.

    What irritates me more is @HYUFD, as usual quoting from an article on the internet as if it is fact. Some page filler taken as gospel when he know f*** all about it. He probably hasn't ever put a pair of skis on ever whereas there will be quite a few on PB that have. I have skied twice a year every year from my 20s to my 60s, sometimes 3 times a year.

    Ways around the school holiday issue are for instance going skiing at Whitsun on a glacier and organise it yourself. We taught our kids by doing that in Kaprun for several years. A RyanAir flight and cheap train, no crowds and perfect snow. Downside is the runs are limiting for a decent skier, but then I would go some other time to a good resort with friends for decent runs.

    Relatively recently I went with friends who didn't want to pay much and we went to Zermatt. Now that is a proper resort and in Switzerland for goodness sake, but can be done on the cheap. Again organise yourself, cheap flight, cheap train direct to resort, apartment with living room that can be converted into a bedroom. Done during school holidays.

    Outside of school holidays I used to go for apartments when I couldn't afford better and later chalets with a crowd when I could. I would never go back to apartments unless I had to. Sometimes if there were only 2 or 3 of us we would book Mark Warner (or equivalent) a few days before going at a fraction of the price (probably not possible during school holidays).
    HYUFD is right though that, outside of bits of Scotland where you can do it locally (weather permitting) skiing in the UK is predominantly a sport pursued by well off posh people. There's nothing wrong with that, and there are of course exceptions, but anyone who has had enough exposure to different class/income groups over their lifetime will have spotted the correlation.
    I disagree. I'm not posh. None of my friends are posh. We are all from working class backgrounds. We all skied or used to. The people you meet on the slopes are generally not posh. Loads of kids roughing it.

    People who don't ski probably think people who ski are posh and they would generally be wrong.

    I have skied in St Anton quite a bit. Don't meet posh people there. If you go over the top down to St Christophe and then over to Lech or Zurs you are likely to be wiped out by a toff (or even Toff herself), but as in all life there are posh places and not posh places and most ski slopes are full of ordinary people.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,658

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On checking, Google Translate does NOT offer Coptic, Old Norse, Cornish, Saami, Tibetan, Rapa Nui, Geez, Hmong, Sumerian or Klingon so ChatGPT really is doing something impressive here. If the translations are accurate, of course

    Your Sinhala phrase means "I'm a little tired" according to Google Translate. I could see if some of my Sinhalese relatives can offer an alternative translation. According to Google Translate your phrase should read මම පූසෙක් මම මීයන් කනවා, and from my limited knowledge of Sinhala I know that the word for cat is correct in that translation.
    Indeed, it seems at least half of them are wrong - often entirely wrong, and a bit crazy - yet others are right (and not necessarily the easier ones)


    Fascinating. It does show how this machine will churn out plausible bullshit, when in the mood, and to make it worse the bullshit is mixed with impressive accuracy. Dangerous!

    I wonder how it chooses the phrases to invent?! That's intriguing by itself
    Now now. ChatGPT was going to remove the need for doctors to deal with complex medical problems the other day. Now it is struggling to algorithmically translate some text from one language to another.

    Not much of a problem if you mistakenly order dog's testicles in a foreign restaurant. More of a problem, I suspect, when seeking medical advice or diagnosis.

    But I suppose a leading fiction writer knows best, despite having no understanding of medicine or AI, because he can 'imagine'.
    It is home and dry as far as medical diagnosis is concerned.

    "Current AI development has a diagnostic performance that is comparable with medical experts, especially in image recognition-related fields. "

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6716335/

    Why not tell us about the obstacles in the way of heavier-than-air flight?
    There is a difference between medical AI/ML developed for a specific purpose such as imaging interpretation and ChatGBT, which seems to have learnt from the internet and Social Media to mix facts, misinterpretation and a self confidence in a cocktail of plausible bullshit that is what the audience wants to hear.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,635
    edited January 2023
    Prince Harry really is the son of King Charles III.

    Prince Harry is acting with the same loyalty to his family as King Charles gave to his first wife.

    I have a lot of sympathy for Harry. I’m in my mid 40s and I know I’ll be in bits when my mother dies, he had to go through that trauma before he turned 13.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,269
    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    I weep at the injustices suffered by poor Prince Harry.
    Decades more of his tedium to look forward to. Or might we blessed with him drifting into obscurity now the story is sold?
    The publishers will have got the 'juiciest' stories, I reckon. And the ones released so far probably damage H&M's brand than the royal family's.

    I reckon in ten years they'll be reduced to sob stories about how the royal family are blanking them. Although who could blame the royal family: it's obvious that anything said in private will soon become public knowledge.

    If I had a family member like that (and wealth...) I'd communicate via lawyer's letters...
    I think I'd save the fee by not communicating at all.
    I try very hard not to have any interest in this nonsense at all but I do, at last, feel sorry for Charles. He had a couple of decades with an extremely manipulative wife and ex wife making his life a misery by playing the media game and now his son is doing the same, despite his pleas not to. Charles is an emotionally stunted and damaged individual who inevitably has little to no understanding of normal life but no one deserves two helpings of this in a single lifetime.
    He is a pompous , snobby arsehole on the other hand so karma.
    Well, he’s occupied his time with promoting food quality, environmentalism, community relations and, most recently, food banks.

    Most of which he got into before they became fashionable with the politicians.

  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,803
    malcolmg said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    And R4 presenters and editors even more so.
    All welcome. Leave your tanks at home, please. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64176020
    You have to be mad to want to ski in Scotland.

    a) If there is snow it is difficult to get to
    b) It is cold
    c) The runs are rubbish.
    Bellend, luckily we do not get arseholes like you coming. Pity poor old Europe having the likes of you over there wanting egg and chips with your morning SUN.
    Putting aside the desirability or otherwise of egg and chips, Scotland has the major advantage that it's easy (and cheap!) to get to (assuming you're starting out from the UK, of course.)
    Deriding Scotland for not being the Rocky Mountains is like deriding the Chilterns for not being the Lake District. Obviously tge Lake District is bigger and better. But if you're in Buckinghamshire and fancy a walk...?

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397
    Well, Harry's got us all talking about his badly written drivel.

    From what I have seen, the real question about all this is how the fuck did anyone so utterly lacking in literary talent manage to become established as a ghostwriter?

    In important news, wind production is annoyingly not as high as it might be. Suspect some turbines have had to be turned off due to the gales.

    https://gridwatch.co.uk/
  • Also Prince Charles aired his laundry in public with the Dimbleby book and interview.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,269

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    On checking, Google Translate does NOT offer Coptic, Old Norse, Cornish, Saami, Tibetan, Rapa Nui, Geez, Hmong, Sumerian or Klingon so ChatGPT really is doing something impressive here. If the translations are accurate, of course

    Your Sinhala phrase means "I'm a little tired" according to Google Translate. I could see if some of my Sinhalese relatives can offer an alternative translation. According to Google Translate your phrase should read මම පූසෙක් මම මීයන් කනවා, and from my limited knowledge of Sinhala I know that the word for cat is correct in that translation.
    Indeed, it seems at least half of them are wrong - often entirely wrong, and a bit crazy - yet others are right (and not necessarily the easier ones)


    Fascinating. It does show how this machine will churn out plausible bullshit, when in the mood, and to make it worse the bullshit is mixed with impressive accuracy. Dangerous!

    I wonder how it chooses the phrases to invent?! That's intriguing by itself
    Now now. ChatGPT was going to remove the need for doctors to deal with complex medical problems the other day. Now it is struggling to algorithmically translate some text from one language to another.

    Not much of a problem if you mistakenly order dog's testicles in a foreign restaurant. More of a problem, I suspect, when seeking medical advice or diagnosis.

    But I suppose a leading fiction writer knows best, despite having no understanding of medicine or AI, because he can 'imagine'.
    Interesting use of the word 'leading' there.
    Also dogs testicles are probably a shamanic medicine somewhere, so don’t be so Imperialist….
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,668
    edited January 2023
    malcolmg said:

    Eabhal said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    The problem is, it used to be about having a job.
    There's plenty who have full time jobs now and can't make ends meet.
    Meanwhile R4 thinks lack of snow in ski resorts is a story.

    I would imagine R4 listeners are on average more likely to ski than the average Brit
    And R4 presenters and editors even more so.
    All welcome. Leave your tanks at home, please. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64176020
    You have to be mad to want to ski in Scotland.

    a) If there is snow it is difficult to get to
    b) It is cold
    c) The runs are rubbish.
    I'm mad.

    One way ticket to Belford/Raigmore/ARI. Watch out for the mud.

    Good Uncle Tom impersonation there.
    Doesn't look that great on the plateau at Glencoe this morning:
    http://winterhighland.com/cams/glencoe/access2200.jpeg?t=1673084456

    To be fair, I have skied in Scotland, both on piste, off piste (a couple of Munros) and cross country (Glenmore & Clashindarroch). Its fine if you pick the right day, but you can't just pick a date in advance.

    It is actually best in spring when the conditions are less variable and there isn't as much scratchy ice lurking round the corner.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    Cookie said:

    DavidL said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Prince Harry reveals Camilla turned his bedroom into a dressing room in latest shocking revelation from his new book

    https://twitter.com/benjaminbutter/status/1611341598595616770?s=20&t=_Zk1CRup8rD0wODizb4vVA

    I weep at the injustices suffered by poor Prince Harry.
    Decades more of his tedium to look forward to. Or might we blessed with him drifting into obscurity now the story is sold?
    The publishers will have got the 'juiciest' stories, I reckon. And the ones released so far probably damage H&M's brand than the royal family's.

    I reckon in ten years they'll be reduced to sob stories about how the royal family are blanking them. Although who could blame the royal family: it's obvious that anything said in private will soon become public knowledge.

    If I had a family member like that (and wealth...) I'd communicate via lawyer's letters...
    I think I'd save the fee by not communicating at all.
    I try very hard not to have any interest in this nonsense at all but I do, at last, feel sorry for Charles. He had a couple of decades with an extremely manipulative wife and ex wife making his life a misery by playing the media game and now his son is doing the same, despite his pleas not to. Charles is an emotionally stunted and damaged individual who inevitably has little to no understanding of normal life but no one deserves two helpings of this in a single lifetime.
    The whole psychodrama could have been avoided if Charles had either been allowed to marry Camilla in the first place or found someone else that he actually loved and married her while not shagging Camilla at the same time. Pretending to love Diana, marrying her but carrying on with Camilla at the same time was an unforgivable act of caddishness on his part and he deserved everything he got from Diana and then some. People who cheat on their spouses get zero sympathy from me.
    I don't think the royals are expected to abide by the same sort of code of behaviour as the rest of us on this matter.
    Surely Diana went into the marriage with her eyes open? Wives of heirs are there to provide more heirs. If there is some sort of love, respect or affection then that is a bonus.

    I agree with malcolm downthread that Charles appears to be a pompous arse. But being a pompous arse doesn't rank quite as low as publicy and repeatedly trashing your family (whom you claim to want a reconciliation with).
    Agree totally Cookie, Harry is either ill or a rank bad un. Totally lost the plot.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,803
    ydoethur said:

    SandraMc said:

    I've just watched Ben Elton's Upstart, Crow for the first time.

    A friend tipped me off - had no idea that existed, even though it's been around 5 years.

    I was crying tears of laughter in episode one. Brilliant.

    Ben Elton's uncle Sir Geoffrey Elton was a distinguished Tudor historian. I read his book "The Tudor Constitution" for History A level.
    Geoffrey Elton was the quintessential English establishment historian. Which brought him much criticism in his later years from the avant-garde historians.

    This is really amusing given his background, of course. Indeed, as he had a sense of humour he found it so himself. He wrote a charming letter to one critic, noting 'I am not English-born and not perhaps quite so insular as you suppose.'
    Ben's brother Tim, meanwhile, was something very senior in IBM. I met him once when our IT department was being outsourced. He looked exactly the same as his brother. It was mildly discombobulating.
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