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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,157
    Sandpit said:

    What a game of darts! 🎯

    Sure is. Two titans of the oche going blow for blow.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,397

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    It's impressive that the Republicans not only can't take the Senate but they can't elect a Speaker even though they have a majority.

    I mean, this is Keystone Cops levels of incompetence.

    Heck, it's getting close to Susan Acland-Hood levels.

    It doesn't bode well for them to win the White House next year.
    I topped up on Biden on Sunday.
    I'm on Dems at 2.4 which I like. Fair chance of GOP implosion imo.
    I think the chances of Trump running as a third party candidate next year have increased today.
    With a very fair chance of what we're seeing today - he'll be utterly humiliated and let the Dems win.

    (Not that it seems probable the Dems will get the Speakership, but they've topped the first three ballots which is extraordinary.)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,322
    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a game of darts! 🎯

    Sure is. Two titans of the oche going blow for blow.
    Aye. And an entirely white audience. Love it
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    edited January 2023
    This reminds me of the first time I became a cabinet member, when a few of the Tory councillors fell out with their colleagues and stood out in the carpark refusing to come in to the annual meeting. In five minutes we did a deal with the Labour group and elected ourselves as the two-party cabinet in their place, before the Tories had time to react.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,322
    MICHAEL FUCKING SMITH
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    This is what happens when you enable extremist nutters to rise in your party - these people are so intransigent and so off the deep end that normal politics simply doesn’t apply to them.

    There has to be a less than zero chance that they will either force McCarthy to withdraw his candidacy or they actually genuinely refuse to elect a speaker for, like, weeks. That will not play well with voters.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,455
    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    It's impressive that the Republicans not only can't take the Senate but they can't elect a Speaker even though they have a majority.

    I mean, this is Keystone Cops levels of incompetence.

    Heck, it's getting close to Susan Acland-Hood levels.

    It doesn't bode well for them to win the White House next year.
    I topped up on Biden on Sunday.
    I'm on Dems at 2.4 which I like. Fair chance of GOP implosion imo.
    I prefer Biden at 4.2

    Pretty clear he's going to run now and all the social media recently (him signing 80 bills inside 10 minutes, or whatever) is about him showing his virility.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117



    tyson said:

    This is just an observation....and my staff coming back to work are not political. They are just regular people.

    But the sense of gloom and despair with the current state of things was beyond anything I have encountered. It is not just that Sunak has not heard the room on the strikes, it is just the feeling that at the moment we are really in a deep hole, and there is no way out.

    Sunak is not going to get credit on his tough line with strikers. It is a monumental lack of judgement. Christ knows who is advising him. And just factor in the state of the NHS, inflation, higher interest rates.

    The best thing the Tories can do now is to call a GE and put themselves (and all of us) out of this misery and death by a million and one cuts. They are clueless, ideologically divided, corrupted, vacuous, sunk by the disastrous Brexit, tired, out of touch, and completely unable to find any answers.....

    The War on Woke and the 3 blokes who want to use a ladies loo, and the poor souls who are risking their lives to cross the channel on dinghies are the last bits of their red meat morsals they throw out to the Daily Mail.

    The 'poor souls' from Albania paying £500 to get here on dinghies could get a flight from Tirana for £23. Perhaps you should think about why they don't want to use that route.
    Chomp chomp...throw a bit of red meat and you ideological Tories gobble it right up...

    My point was exactly that. Compared to the monumental crisis of a collapsing health system, and the suffocating and impoverishing impact of Brexit..you pathetic, shameful lot of Tories, devoid of any coherent ideas cling to the divisive racist and populist politics of Albanian men crossing the sea on dinghies, and men using female toilets... and oh yes, the one 16 year old who is prescribed hormonal blockers....meanwhile we have 200,00 additional deaths because the NHS is run down, and everyone is fearful of ringing 999....
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    It's impressive that the Republicans not only can't take the Senate but they can't elect a Speaker even though they have a majority.

    I mean, this is Keystone Cops levels of incompetence.

    Heck, it's getting close to Susan Acland-Hood levels.

    It doesn't bode well for them to win the White House next year.
    I topped up on Biden on Sunday.
    I'm on Dems at 2.4 which I like. Fair chance of GOP implosion imo.
    I prefer Biden at 4.2

    Pretty clear he's going to run now and all the social media recently (him signing 80 bills inside 10 minutes, or whatever) is about him showing his virility.
    I think he will run, but there is a non zero chance of a significant health event at his age.
  • I'm not saying the Everton game was bad but I left on 4-0 and the Uber driver who took us back to town was also at the game.

    https://twitter.com/MatFlusk/status/1610387603328585729
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,455
    tyson said:



    tyson said:

    This is just an observation....and my staff coming back to work are not political. They are just regular people.

    But the sense of gloom and despair with the current state of things was beyond anything I have encountered. It is not just that Sunak has not heard the room on the strikes, it is just the feeling that at the moment we are really in a deep hole, and there is no way out.

    Sunak is not going to get credit on his tough line with strikers. It is a monumental lack of judgement. Christ knows who is advising him. And just factor in the state of the NHS, inflation, higher interest rates.

    The best thing the Tories can do now is to call a GE and put themselves (and all of us) out of this misery and death by a million and one cuts. They are clueless, ideologically divided, corrupted, vacuous, sunk by the disastrous Brexit, tired, out of touch, and completely unable to find any answers.....

    The War on Woke and the 3 blokes who want to use a ladies loo, and the poor souls who are risking their lives to cross the channel on dinghies are the last bits of their red meat morsals they throw out to the Daily Mail.

    The 'poor souls' from Albania paying £500 to get here on dinghies could get a flight from Tirana for £23. Perhaps you should think about why they don't want to use that route.
    Chomp chomp...throw a bit of red meat and you ideological Tories gobble it right up...

    My point was exactly that. Compared to the monumental crisis of a collapsing health system, and the suffocating and impoverishing impact of Brexit..you pathetic, shameful lot of Tories, devoid of any coherent ideas cling to the divisive racist and populist politics of Albanian men crossing the sea on dinghies, and men using female toilets... and oh yes, the one 16 year old who is prescribed hormonal blockers....meanwhile we have 200,00 additional deaths because the NHS is run down, and everyone is fearful of ringing 999....
    Put down the phone, and the bottle, Tyson, and go and watch a movie instead.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    Looks like Jordan will be up to 20 rebel votes from 19 last time
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    edited January 2023
    tyson said:



    tyson said:

    This is just an observation....and my staff coming back to work are not political. They are just regular people.

    But the sense of gloom and despair with the current state of things was beyond anything I have encountered. It is not just that Sunak has not heard the room on the strikes, it is just the feeling that at the moment we are really in a deep hole, and there is no way out.

    Sunak is not going to get credit on his tough line with strikers. It is a monumental lack of judgement. Christ knows who is advising him. And just factor in the state of the NHS, inflation, higher interest rates.

    The best thing the Tories can do now is to call a GE and put themselves (and all of us) out of this misery and death by a million and one cuts. They are clueless, ideologically divided, corrupted, vacuous, sunk by the disastrous Brexit, tired, out of touch, and completely unable to find any answers.....

    The War on Woke and the 3 blokes who want to use a ladies loo, and the poor souls who are risking their lives to cross the channel on dinghies are the last bits of their red meat morsals they throw out to the Daily Mail.

    The 'poor souls' from Albania paying £500 to get here on dinghies could get a flight from Tirana for £23. Perhaps you should think about why they don't want to use that route.
    Chomp chomp...throw a bit of red meat and you ideological Tories gobble it right up...

    My point was exactly that. Compared to the monumental crisis of a collapsing health system, and the suffocating and impoverishing impact of Brexit..you pathetic, shameful lot of Tories, devoid of any coherent ideas cling to the divisive racist and populist politics of Albanian men crossing the sea on dinghies, and men using female toilets... and oh yes, the one 16 year old who is prescribed hormonal blockers....meanwhile we have 200,00 additional deaths because the NHS is run down, and everyone is fearful of ringing 999....
    But one of the reasons for the current NHS collapse is the vast increase in demand. From immigration. But it's apparently 'shameful and pathetic' to point that out. Facts have a hierarchy, and those sorts of facts are low class ones. The taxpayer should shut up and stump up.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
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  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,322
    Look at that arrrerr
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,322
    YAHHHHSSS
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990

    But one of the reasons for the current NHS collapse is the vast increase in demand. From immigration. But it's apparently 'shameful and pathetic' to point that out. Facts have a hierarchy, and those sorts of facts are low class ones. The taxpayer should shut up and stump up.

    this must be one of the most cursed political videos ever

    https://twitter.com/MarinaPurkiss/status/1609170533542760453/video/1
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    This is one record billionaires don't want to break.

    Elon Musk has become the only person in history to erase $200 billion from their net worth

    https://trib.al/ZxIeKPZ https://twitter.com/Quicktake/status/1610373665119473671/video/1
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    edited January 2023
    The third vote:

    McCarthy: 202
    Jeffries: 212
    Jordan: 20

    Both of the top two lost one each, one new rebel, and one disappearing Dem

    Suggestions that the rebels want to force an adjournment so Reps can go into private session; CBS questioning whether the Dems will play along
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,157
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a game of darts! 🎯

    Sure is. Two titans of the oche going blow for blow.
    Aye. And an entirely white audience. Love it
    The darts is a place where the WWC can unwind away from the disapproving eyes of the wokerati. And they certainly make the most of it.
  • Scott_xP said:

    ...

    It's playful... it's cruel... I don't know who the Daily Star have as "Head of abusing politicians", but they definitely deserve a 19 percent pay rise.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    I'm really interested to read the "Trees: Why They're Bloody Great" article...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,658

    tyson said:



    tyson said:

    This is just an observation....and my staff coming back to work are not political. They are just regular people.

    But the sense of gloom and despair with the current state of things was beyond anything I have encountered. It is not just that Sunak has not heard the room on the strikes, it is just the feeling that at the moment we are really in a deep hole, and there is no way out.

    Sunak is not going to get credit on his tough line with strikers. It is a monumental lack of judgement. Christ knows who is advising him. And just factor in the state of the NHS, inflation, higher interest rates.

    The best thing the Tories can do now is to call a GE and put themselves (and all of us) out of this misery and death by a million and one cuts. They are clueless, ideologically divided, corrupted, vacuous, sunk by the disastrous Brexit, tired, out of touch, and completely unable to find any answers.....

    The War on Woke and the 3 blokes who want to use a ladies loo, and the poor souls who are risking their lives to cross the channel on dinghies are the last bits of their red meat morsals they throw out to the Daily Mail.

    The 'poor souls' from Albania paying £500 to get here on dinghies could get a flight from Tirana for £23. Perhaps you should think about why they don't want to use that route.
    Chomp chomp...throw a bit of red meat and you ideological Tories gobble it right up...

    My point was exactly that. Compared to the monumental crisis of a collapsing health system, and the suffocating and impoverishing impact of Brexit..you pathetic, shameful lot of Tories, devoid of any coherent ideas cling to the divisive racist and populist politics of Albanian men crossing the sea on dinghies, and men using female toilets... and oh yes, the one 16 year old who is prescribed hormonal blockers....meanwhile we have 200,00 additional deaths because the NHS is run down, and everyone is fearful of ringing 999....
    But one of the reasons for the current NHS collapse is the vast increase in demand. From immigration. But it's apparently 'shameful and pathetic' to point that out. Facts have a hierarchy, and those sorts of facts are low class ones. The taxpayer should shut up and stump up.
    The increase in demand is because of an ageing population, who are much more likely to be white Britons than immigrants.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,322
    edited January 2023
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a game of darts! 🎯

    Sure is. Two titans of the oche going blow for blow.
    Aye. And an entirely white audience. Love it
    The darts is a place where the WWC can unwind away from the disapproving eyes of the wokerati. And they certainly make the most of it.
    Aren't you ashamed of this spectacle of unreformed, shameless whiteness, with only white players, and an entirely white audience? This is the Red Wall UKIP vote in a nutshell. Half of them probably don't know to say BIPOC rather than BAME

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,322
    MICHAEL FUCKING SMITH
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
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    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    It's playful... it's cruel... I don't know who the Daily Star have as "Head of abusing politicians", but they definitely deserve a 19 percent pay rise.
    He’ll be in Aspen or Gstaad, same as the rest of the billionaire set. Where would you expect to find him?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404
    You've got to say the Star has become the Sun of the 1980's.
    All the better for rarely doing politics. But when they do it, they do it because they reflect what their readers are thinking.
    And they do it well.
    "NHS collapses on its arse."
    Well quite.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,658
    Sandpit said:

    .

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    It's playful... it's cruel... I don't know who the Daily Star have as "Head of abusing politicians", but they definitely deserve a 19 percent pay rise.
    He’ll be in Aspen or Gstaad, same as the rest of the billionaire set. Where would you expect to find him?
    At least we knew Johnson was in the fridge!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Van Gerwen starting to lose his darts. 6-3 down, having been 3-2 up. One set to go for Smith.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404
    edited January 2023
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a game of darts! 🎯

    Sure is. Two titans of the oche going blow for blow.
    Aye. And an entirely white audience. Love it
    The darts is a place where the WWC can unwind away from the disapproving eyes of the wokerati. And they certainly make the most of it.
    Aren't you ashamed of this spectacle of unreformed, shameless whiteness, with only white players, and an entirely white audience? This is the Red Wall UKIP vote in a nutshell. Half of them probably don't know to say BIPOC rather than BAME

    Except.
    Darts is always in or around London.
    Not really aware of any of it up here. Nor much interest tbh.
    I agree with the rest of your analysis, but it isn't Red Wall.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,658
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Crisis? What crisis?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,322
    YAAAAHS
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Crisis? What crisis?
    No crisis in Harley Street...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,658
    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a game of darts! 🎯

    Sure is. Two titans of the oche going blow for blow.
    Aye. And an entirely white audience. Love it
    The darts is a place where the WWC can unwind away from the disapproving eyes of the wokerati. And they certainly make the most of it.
    Aren't you ashamed of this spectacle of unreformed, shameless whiteness, with only white players, and an entirely white audience? This is the Red Wall UKIP vote in a nutshell. Half of them probably don't know to say BIPOC rather than BAME

    Except.
    Darts is always in or around London.
    Not really aware of any of it up here. Nor much interest tbh.
    I agree with the rest of your analysis, but it isn't Red Wall.
    Looks like we are in another relegation scrap.

    Fortunately the rest of the bottom half are crap too, but are they crap enough?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,960
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Crisis? What crisis?
    There has been a winter crisis in the NHS every year of my adult life, even going back to when New Labour were in government and no matter how many billions were thrown at it and even when inflation was far lower than now
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,994
    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a game of darts! 🎯

    Sure is. Two titans of the oche going blow for blow.
    Aye. And an entirely white audience. Love it
    The darts is a place where the WWC can unwind away from the disapproving eyes of the wokerati. And they certainly make the most of it.
    Aren't you ashamed of this spectacle of unreformed, shameless whiteness, with only white players, and an entirely white audience? This is the Red Wall UKIP vote in a nutshell. Half of them probably don't know to say BIPOC rather than BAME

    Except.
    Darts is always in or around London.
    Not really aware of any of it up here. Nor much interest tbh.
    I agree with the rest of your analysis, but it isn't Red Wall.
    Surely as a participation sport it’s just as big in the North? I think it’s just that the championship is in Allypally. Like snooker’s a national sport despite the dominance of the crucible theatre.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Crisis? What crisis?
    There has been a winter crisis in the NHS every year of my adult life, even going back to when New Labour were in government and no matter how many billions were thrown at it and even when inflation was far lower than now
    That's true, but this one is actually happening and everyone can see that.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404
    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a game of darts! 🎯

    Sure is. Two titans of the oche going blow for blow.
    Aye. And an entirely white audience. Love it
    The darts is a place where the WWC can unwind away from the disapproving eyes of the wokerati. And they certainly make the most of it.
    Aren't you ashamed of this spectacle of unreformed, shameless whiteness, with only white players, and an entirely white audience? This is the Red Wall UKIP vote in a nutshell. Half of them probably don't know to say BIPOC rather than BAME

    Except.
    Darts is always in or around London.
    Not really aware of any of it up here. Nor much interest tbh.
    I agree with the rest of your analysis, but it isn't Red Wall.
    Looks like we are in another relegation scrap.

    Fortunately the rest of the bottom half are crap too, but are they crap enough?
    Well. We certainly are.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    The mainstream Reps want to keep voting and win by attrition; an adjournment needs the Dems to back the rebels; word is this won’t happen so a fourth vote is expected shortly…
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,994
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Crisis? What crisis?
    I see the story finally made it on to the BBC site but the headline is “Covid putting massive pressure on NHS - Barclay”.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652

    This is what happens when you enable extremist nutters to rise in your party - these people are so intransigent and so off the deep end that normal politics simply doesn’t apply to them.

    There has to be a less than zero chance that they will either force McCarthy to withdraw his candidacy or they actually genuinely refuse to elect a speaker for, like, weeks. That will not play well with voters.

    They all won a primary, so it's more about what people wanted from their politicians than the attitudes of the party leadership.
  • HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Crisis? What crisis?
    There has been a winter crisis in the NHS every year of my adult life, even going back to when New Labour were in government and no matter how many billions were thrown at it and even when inflation was far lower than now
    Yep. That's quite literally you saying no crisis. Because the same as any winter is routine, not crisis.

    Except it isn't the same as every winter. And you either know it and think we're stupid, or you're deluded.

    I remember that Friday in 1997. EVERYONE was buzzing. And they will be again when you and your lot are destroyed by the electorate in punishment for your sneering disdain.
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    Scott_xP said:

    This is one record billionaires don't want to break.

    Elon Musk has become the only person in history to erase $200 billion from their net worth

    https://trib.al/ZxIeKPZ https://twitter.com/Quicktake/status/1610373665119473671/video/1

    Reminds me of a feature on poverty and wealth be R4s More or Less. They said that the worlds poorest person was a french millionaire who had huge fines/debts he had to pay, so his wealth was a staggering negative value. They pointed out that he is far from what most people think of being very poor, people who have no money left by the 16th of the month, and struggling to buy food for their kids.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,157
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a game of darts! 🎯

    Sure is. Two titans of the oche going blow for blow.
    Aye. And an entirely white audience. Love it
    The darts is a place where the WWC can unwind away from the disapproving eyes of the wokerati. And they certainly make the most of it.
    Aren't you ashamed of this spectacle of unreformed, shameless whiteness, with only white players, and an entirely white audience? This is the Red Wall UKIP vote in a nutshell. Half of them probably don't know to say BIPOC rather than BAME
    The question is more why it's so attractive to you that there's no non-white faces in the audience. Would you turn off if you spotted one?
  • dixiedean said:

    tyson said:



    tyson said:

    This is just an observation....and my staff coming back to work are not political. They are just regular people.

    But the sense of gloom and despair with the current state of things was beyond anything I have encountered. It is not just that Sunak has not heard the room on the strikes, it is just the feeling that at the moment we are really in a deep hole, and there is no way out.

    Sunak is not going to get credit on his tough line with strikers. It is a monumental lack of judgement. Christ knows who is advising him. And just factor in the state of the NHS, inflation, higher interest rates.

    The best thing the Tories can do now is to call a GE and put themselves (and all of us) out of this misery and death by a million and one cuts. They are clueless, ideologically divided, corrupted, vacuous, sunk by the disastrous Brexit, tired, out of touch, and completely unable to find any answers.....

    The War on Woke and the 3 blokes who want to use a ladies loo, and the poor souls who are risking their lives to cross the channel on dinghies are the last bits of their red meat morsals they throw out to the Daily Mail.

    The 'poor souls' from Albania paying £500 to get here on dinghies could get a flight from Tirana for £23. Perhaps you should think about why they don't want to use that route.
    Chomp chomp...throw a bit of red meat and you ideological Tories gobble it right up...

    My point was exactly that. Compared to the monumental crisis of a collapsing health system, and the suffocating and impoverishing impact of Brexit..you pathetic, shameful lot of Tories, devoid of any coherent ideas cling to the divisive racist and populist politics of Albanian men crossing the sea on dinghies, and men using female toilets... and oh yes, the one 16 year old who is prescribed hormonal blockers....meanwhile we have 200,00 additional deaths because the NHS is run down, and everyone is fearful of ringing 999....
    But one of the reasons for the current NHS collapse is the vast increase in demand. From immigration. But it's apparently 'shameful and pathetic' to point that out. Facts have a hierarchy, and those sorts of facts are low class ones. The taxpayer should shut up and stump up.
    The vast increase in demand is from old people.
    I see OLD people!
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404
    edited January 2023
    TimS said:

    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a game of darts! 🎯

    Sure is. Two titans of the oche going blow for blow.
    Aye. And an entirely white audience. Love it
    The darts is a place where the WWC can unwind away from the disapproving eyes of the wokerati. And they certainly make the most of it.
    Aren't you ashamed of this spectacle of unreformed, shameless whiteness, with only white players, and an entirely white audience? This is the Red Wall UKIP vote in a nutshell. Half of them probably don't know to say BIPOC rather than BAME

    Except.
    Darts is always in or around London.
    Not really aware of any of it up here. Nor much interest tbh.
    I agree with the rest of your analysis, but it isn't Red Wall.
    Surely as a participation sport it’s just as big in the North? I think it’s just that the championship is in Allypally. Like snooker’s a national sport despite the dominance of the crucible theatre.
    Yes.
    I mean the big, drunken crowds. The BDO was traditionally at Frimley Green, too, in deepest Surrey commuter land. (I once dropped acid at the Milk Marketing Board staff bar, and decided to walk back to the station in a thunderstorm. A magical riotous fairyland appeared to my mind. The Lakeside club during the WC early rounds).
    Don't know anyone who has ever been to darts up here. Nor can I think of a big event.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,157
    Sandpit said:

    Van Gerwen starting to lose his darts. 6-3 down, having been 3-2 up. One set to go for Smith.

    But can he hold it together and close it out?

    Darts is a game of millimetres.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Van Gerwen starting to lose his darts. 6-3 down, having been 3-2 up. One set to go for Smith.

    But can he hold it together and close it out?

    Darts is a game of millimetres.
    Yep, a 13-set match is almost like a cricket Test, in terms of the ebbs and flows. MvG back on the front foot now, just as the Brit thought he would close it out.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    A look at the key NHS stats:

    🚨 Hospitals declared critical incidents in 19 English regions in last week
    🛏️ 12,313 beds occupied by people who should be released
    👩‍⚕️1,973 fewer fully qualified GPs than in 2015
    ☠️ 800 excess non-covid deaths per week

    Produced for @ashishskynews https://twitter.com/JoeCookJ/status/1610376135162068992/video/1
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    ...
  • eristdooferistdoof Posts: 5,065
    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Van Gerwen starting to lose his darts. 6-3 down, having been 3-2 up. One set to go for Smith.

    But can he hold it together and close it out?

    Darts is a game of millimetres.
    Or for many players Darts is a game of 32nds of an inch.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    That really is his big plan to solve the NHS crisis.

    Teach every kid maths...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    Suggestions there may be a move to adjourn….
  • EPG said:

    This is what happens when you enable extremist nutters to rise in your party - these people are so intransigent and so off the deep end that normal politics simply doesn’t apply to them.

    There has to be a less than zero chance that they will either force McCarthy to withdraw his candidacy or they actually genuinely refuse to elect a speaker for, like, weeks. That will not play well with voters.

    They all won a primary, so it's more about what people wanted from their politicians than the attitudes of the party leadership.
    Question is- which people?

    A lot of the USA is so gerrymandered as safe red or safe blue that the best strategy for an ambitious politician is to tickle the erogenous zones of your own side, even if it repels everyone else. Hence the massive polarisation. The UK isn't quite so bad, but we have enough problems in that direction thank you very much.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404
    Oh dear.
    Just as the Star headline hits home he re-appears to prescribe more Maths as the burning issue.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,322
    that was fycking brlliant
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    edited January 2023
    Michael Smith, world champion! What a game of darts that was.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,994
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    The charming Allison Pearson in the latest bout of howhardcanitbeism, I see. The affliction that led us to hold all the cards after Brexit.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,322
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    What a game of darts! 🎯

    Sure is. Two titans of the oche going blow for blow.
    Aye. And an entirely white audience. Love it
    The darts is a place where the WWC can unwind away from the disapproving eyes of the wokerati. And they certainly make the most of it.
    Aren't you ashamed of this spectacle of unreformed, shameless whiteness, with only white players, and an entirely white audience? This is the Red Wall UKIP vote in a nutshell. Half of them probably don't know to say BIPOC rather than BAME
    The question is more why it's so attractive to you that there's no non-white faces in the audience. Would you turn off if you spotted one?
    lol
  • So, watching Michael Smith run off the stage to hug his wife and kids in tears, this rather shows Gerwyn Price why everyone hates him.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,863
    edited January 2023
    Adjournment until noon local time tomorrow moved, and agreed
  • Scott_xP said:

    That really is his big plan to solve the NHS crisis.

    Teach every kid maths...

    Good job we have an excess of maths teachers, eh?

    If you need me (to deliver maths lessons, for example) I'll be wimpering hysterically in the corner over there.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,960
    edited January 2023

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Crisis? What crisis?
    There has been a winter crisis in the NHS every year of my adult life, even going back to when New Labour were in government and no matter how many billions were thrown at it and even when inflation was far lower than now
    Yep. That's quite literally you saying no crisis. Because the same as any winter is routine, not crisis.

    Except it isn't the same as every winter. And you either know it and think we're stupid, or you're deluded.

    I remember that Friday in 1997. EVERYONE was buzzing. And they will be again when you and your lot are destroyed by the electorate in punishment for your sneering disdain.
    Because its true no matter how much leftwingers like you demand more and more money into the bottomless pit.

    The NHS needs reform, as does social care and more people need to get insurance like most other OECD countries

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2000/dec/04/health2

    https://moneyweek.com/20429/the-traditional-nhs-winter-crisis-kicks-in
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,994
    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    Because he was good at Maths at school no doubt. Like the PE teacher who thinks the slow boys at the back of the cross-country just aren’t trying hard enough.

    I’m all for widening our curriculum to be more like the Bac because we do specialise at a ridiculously young age, but it shouldn’t be all about forcing arty students to keep maths. If we’re going in that direction then Maths and science kids should be continuing some humanities, languages and arts too.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404
    edited January 2023
    So. The Telegraph and Times have migrants, museums and poor parenting as well as the PM's irrelevant wittering on the front pages.
    The crystallisation of an utterly out of touch elite's concerns.
    The Daily Star is the new paper of record.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,322
    The Sid Waddell trophy. Fuck
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,994
    dixiedean said:

    So. The Telegraph and Times have migrants, museums and poor parenting as well as the PM's irrelevant wittering on the front pages.
    The crystallisation of an utterly out of touch elite.
    The Daily Star is the paper of record.

    The Telegraph is the paper of wreckage.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Who is going to try this at Westminster?

    DEVELOPING: A member of the House of Representatives is taking their oath on a classic Superman comic book

    https://twitter.com/MattLaslo/status/1610346549888057346/photo/1


  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,322
    I think that rather puts the World Cup soccer final in perspective
  • eristdoof said:

    Scott_xP said:

    This is one record billionaires don't want to break.

    Elon Musk has become the only person in history to erase $200 billion from their net worth

    https://trib.al/ZxIeKPZ https://twitter.com/Quicktake/status/1610373665119473671/video/1

    Reminds me of a feature on poverty and wealth be R4s More or Less. They said that the worlds poorest person was a french millionaire who had huge fines/debts he had to pay, so his wealth was a staggering negative value. They pointed out that he is far from what most people think of being very poor, people who have no money left by the 16th of the month, and struggling to buy food for their kids.
    Tesla lost, today, the equivalent of the entire market cap of Ford.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,664
    Sunak, the more you see the less there is. Strip back the slick veneer and there is nothing but an ego wrapped in cliche. This maths plan is somewhat underwhelming.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Labour source: “They’ve nothing to offer the country except double maths. As the health service falls to pieces, criminals terrorise the streets, and working people worry how their wages will last the month, the country is entitled to ask: is this it?”

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/rishi-sunak-maths-until-18_uk_63b4919ae4b0d6f0b9f64369
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,593
    edited January 2023
    dixiedean said:

    So. The Telegraph and Times have migrants, museums and poor parenting as well as the PM's irrelevant wittering on the front pages.
    The crystallisation of an utterly out of touch elite's concerns.
    The Daily Star is the new paper of record.

    Given the reason most kids have given up while still at primary school, believing themselves "bad at maths", is that we are terrible at teaching it, I do not hold out much hope for Sunak's Masterplan.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    Brexit: How not to win friends and influence people. Tragic



    https://twitter.com/grahambsi/status/1610174749669212161?s=46&t=TtSI4M8kFPz_vJpjb-kQCQ
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652

    EPG said:

    This is what happens when you enable extremist nutters to rise in your party - these people are so intransigent and so off the deep end that normal politics simply doesn’t apply to them.

    There has to be a less than zero chance that they will either force McCarthy to withdraw his candidacy or they actually genuinely refuse to elect a speaker for, like, weeks. That will not play well with voters.

    They all won a primary, so it's more about what people wanted from their politicians than the attitudes of the party leadership.
    Question is- which people?

    A lot of the USA is so gerrymandered as safe red or safe blue that the best strategy for an ambitious politician is to tickle the erogenous zones of your own side, even if it repels everyone else. Hence the massive polarisation. The UK isn't quite so bad, but we have enough problems in that direction thank you very much.
    A lot of them are due to safely gerrymandered districts or the equivalent heavily Republican state with a single district, but even in nominations for statewide office in swing states like Arizona, they often lean towards the deluded.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,437
    TimS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    The charming Allison Pearson in the latest bout of howhardcanitbeism, I see. The affliction that led us to hold all the cards after Brexit.
    You don't think it's legitimate to question why an organisation that employs getting on for as many people in the UK as Macdonald's employs worldwide, and whose funding has been ring-fenced since the horse-drawn cab, can't organise their fucking selves to increase bed capacity?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Why is the NHS in its worst ever crisis? https://on.ft.com/3vBXJQY
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    No front bencher – government or shadow – dares to say Brexit is a disaster

    Starmer’s vow to “make Brexit work” is an affront to this truth.


    https://inews.co.uk/opinion/unhealthy-obsession-with-brexit-populism-destroying-uk-2060678
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,658

    TimS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    The charming Allison Pearson in the latest bout of howhardcanitbeism, I see. The affliction that led us to hold all the cards after Brexit.
    You don't think it's legitimate to question why an organisation that employs getting on for as many people in the UK as Macdonald's employs worldwide, and whose funding has been ring-fenced since the horse-drawn cab, can't organise their fucking selves to increase bed capacity?
    Since 2010 the NHS has steadily reduced acute bed capacity, by about 25%.

    Who has been in government over that period?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    ...
  • Scott_xP said:

    Why is the NHS in its worst ever crisis? https://on.ft.com/3vBXJQY

    It isn't. Rishi and HY say so. We can comfortably ignore the dead and the dying and the healthcare professionals struggling under siege conditions. No Crisis, just the winter, shut up you leftwingers.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,658

    Brexit: How not to win friends and influence people. Tragic



    https://twitter.com/grahambsi/status/1610174749669212161?s=46&t=TtSI4M8kFPz_vJpjb-kQCQ

    Croatia is now in Schengen.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    Brexit: How not to win friends and influence people. Tragic



    https://twitter.com/grahambsi/status/1610174749669212161?s=46&t=TtSI4M8kFPz_vJpjb-kQCQ

    Because the author has picked and chosen which organizations to include? No NATO, no Council of Europe, no Five Eyes, no UNSC, no AUKUS, no G7, no Commonwealth, no OSCE...

    This is why social media is so stupid. People stick to their own little groups repeating their own flawed fact bases to each other without anyone else giving it scrutiny.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Foxy said:

    Croatia is now in Schengen.

    And the Eurozone
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    TimS said:

    Scott_xP said:

    ...

    The charming Allison Pearson in the latest bout of howhardcanitbeism, I see. The affliction that led us to hold all the cards after Brexit.
    I did see a comment earlier to the effect that, quite apart from any Brexit issues, a significant number of MPs simply cannot believe things might be really bad, even when it really is.

    I'm often one to tell doommongers to get a grip about the UK or world position, but it is troubling if MPs cannot spot a problem like the broad side of a barn right in front of them, since it means they won't even take a shot to miss it, let alone hit it.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404
    One thing we sure can rely on.
    A surfeit of folk willing and able to teach Maths at 16-18 level on current salary.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,960

    Scott_xP said:

    Why is the NHS in its worst ever crisis? https://on.ft.com/3vBXJQY

    It isn't. Rishi and HY say so. We can comfortably ignore the dead and the dying and the healthcare professionals struggling under siege conditions. No Crisis, just the winter, shut up you leftwingers.
    No just the usual left-wing whinge exploiting the NHS for their political ends.

    Refusing to reform, so it stays the most statist and bureaucratic healthcare system in the developed world
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,817
    edited January 2023
    Hmm, not sure that this maths until 18 drive is what the country needs right now. Feels more than a bit out of touch with reality.

    And having don a level maths, I'm also not sure what people will get out of it. Surely we need to concentrate on ensuring all kids get a passing grade at GCSE level and raising GCSE standards so they aren't stupidly easy to pass.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    HYUFD said:

    Refusing to reform, so it stays the most statist and bureaucratic healthcare system in the developed world

    Oh, so close.

    The word of choice for your fellow travellers is "sclerotic"...
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,362
    I did Maths at Uni. My Dad did Maths at Uni. My daughter is doing Maths at Uni. I come from a Maths family.

    If you haven't taught non-specialists enough Maths by age 16 another two years ain't going to do you any good. Where Maths teaching is going wrong is in primary school, where the one Maths whizz in every class makes everyone else feel like they are bad at Maths and they pretty much learn the lesson that it's not for them. Not helped by the fact that the one Maths whizz in the class is probably already better at Maths than their primary school teacher before the age of nine.

    You have to isolate the Maths whizz from the rest of the class, so that the normal people can learn Maths just with other normal people, and the Maths whizz can learn that there's Maths that is hard enough to make them struggle before they reach the age of 18.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,404
    edited January 2023
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Why is the NHS in its worst ever crisis? https://on.ft.com/3vBXJQY

    It isn't. Rishi and HY say so. We can comfortably ignore the dead and the dying and the healthcare professionals struggling under siege conditions. No Crisis, just the winter, shut up you leftwingers.
    No just the usual left-wing whinge exploiting the NHS for their political ends.

    Refusing to reform, so it stays the most statist and bureaucratic healthcare system in the developed world
    The NHS has been in an almost constant state of reform for decades.
    Unfortunately the reforms of the last 13 years have been fucking dire.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    No front bencher – government or shadow – dares to say Brexit is a disaster

    Starmer’s vow to “make Brexit work” is an affront to this truth.


    https://inews.co.uk/opinion/unhealthy-obsession-with-brexit-populism-destroying-uk-2060678

    That article really ticks every box in the Remainer bingo. I have yet to meet a single person who voted for Brexit for "imperial fantasies", so I am sceptical that a lefty journalist that rarely ventures beyond the M25 without an international flight has met them.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Why is the NHS in its worst ever crisis? https://on.ft.com/3vBXJQY

    It isn't. Rishi and HY say so. We can comfortably ignore the dead and the dying and the healthcare professionals struggling under siege conditions. No Crisis, just the winter, shut up you leftwingers.
    No just the usual left-wing whinge exploiting the NHS for their political ends.

    Refusing to reform, so it stays the most statist and bureaucratic healthcare system in the developed world
    If that's the answer wtf have the Tories been doing for the past 12 and a half years?

    image
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,790
    dixiedean said:

    One thing we sure can rely on.
    A surfeit of folk willing and able to teach Maths at 16-18 level on current salary.

    Now I am compelled to watch the old Avengers episode 'A Surfeit of H2O'. And not _just_ because of outfits*...

    * Actually, this may be a lie
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