Labour 46% (+1 vs November 2022) Conservatives 29% (-1) Liberal Democrats 9% (+1) Green 5% (+1) SNP 5% (nc) Reform UK 4% (-1) UKIP 2% (nc) Plaid Cymru <1% (nc) Other 1% (-1)</i>
One notable trend in recent polls seems to have been the gradual decline of the Greens. From 9-10% in some and 6% in others for months, to a range closer to 3-6% now. It does vary wildly between pollsters but I’m pretty sure there’s been a decline, which has helped the Labour vote share.
I expect Ref to start a slow puncture from now on as a GE looms and refugee crossings start to slip from the front pages. Perhaps they’ll retain a core poujadiste following of people who find Sunak’s government a bit right on with all the net zero stuff, or “socialist” with its tax rises.
Is the green vote decline linked in any way to the CoL crisis? Part of the reason for high energy costs are the choices we have made on perusing greener energy. (Not saying this is wrong, before I get jumped on).
Labour 46% (+1 vs November 2022) Conservatives 29% (-1) Liberal Democrats 9% (+1) Green 5% (+1) SNP 5% (nc) Reform UK 4% (-1) UKIP 2% (nc) Plaid Cymru <1% (nc) Other 1% (-1)</i>
Looks like any Sunak bounce is plateaued, but this is not a time of year for anything other than treading water politically, until normal politics resumes in January.
I think at some point in 2023 we're going to see a Tory lead. But maybe just one or two outliers.
I don't
Fancy a bet?
£20 says there won't be a Tory lead in any of the BPC polls, before midnight Dec 31st, 2022?
This is a singularly ungenerous bet!
I meant 2023 - end of next year - obvs
I thought you were being rather nice to give away free money. I was going to ask if I could have some.
Did Blair suffer any polling deficits from 1994-1997?
Hardly any, as I recall,
We are in that situation again. It will need a huge black swan to give the Tories a lead. Not impossible, but there is not a 50% chance, which makes this a decent bet at evens
Oh yeah, I'm definitely giving you a good deal at evens.
Ta
I'm genuinely curious, did Blair ever fall behind in the polls, from 94-97? I seem to recall one brief episode, but maybe I am imagining it
I think there may have been one or two, but I Starmer is no Blair and we live in very erratic times.
Of course Starmer isn't Blair; he's not a posh public schoolboy.
Hopefully should he prevail, he won't become a war criminal either. That was my big plus for Johnson. He wasn't a war criminal. I suppose there is always the prospect that during his second coming he can chalk up that label.
I'm no fan of Labour, or Blair, but calling him a war criminal is absurd.
We see war crimes in the real world, in Ukraine today with the deliberate and systematic targeting of civilians and the sanctioned rape, mass murder and abuse. That is a war crime.
What happened in Iraq was war, not a war crime. Calling every act of war a war crime completely devalues and demean the words.
It is somewhat complicated by the lack of evidence for weapons of mass destruction that were the purported cases belli. And an awful lot of people died as a result. I don’t believe Blair is a war criminal, but Incan understand why some do. To turn it around somewhat people are incredibly angry at Johnson, Hancock et al, and blame them for covid deaths. In many ways Blair was far more responsible for Iraqi deaths than Johnson and Hancock were for covid deaths. The Iraq war didn’t need to happen, Covid was thrust upon us.
The trouble is a war crime is the breaking of the international laws governing war, and an unprompted war of aggression is one such example. But of course it’s of a different nature to committing atrocities during a war. Both are crimes, both pretty serious, but different. Iraq teeters on the edge of a war deliberately started on false pretences, and a catastrophic error of judgment and intelligence failure.
The Iraq War wasn't unprompted though, it was prompted by Iraq invading Kuwait.
That’s stretching it a tad. Like saying the current Ukraine war was prompted by the maidan revolution in 2014.
No it's not. There was a ceasefire, that was violated, so the conflict resumed. Many wars haven't ended and are frozen in a ceasefire, the war unfreezing and resuming may make it politically seem new but it can be a continuation of the old conflict.
The current Ukraine war does indeed date back years. The conflict was frozen, but Russia invaded Ukraine years ago and the fact the battle lines were frozen for a few years doesn't make this a totally new conflict.
I think at some point in 2023 we're going to see a Tory lead. But maybe just one or two outliers.
I don't
Fancy a bet?
£20 says there won't be a Tory lead in any of the BPC polls, before midnight Dec 31st, 2022?
This is a singularly ungenerous bet!
I meant 2023 - end of next year - obvs
I thought you were being rather nice to give away free money. I was going to ask if I could have some.
Did Blair suffer any polling deficits from 1994-1997?
Hardly any, as I recall,
We are in that situation again. It will need a huge black swan to give the Tories a lead. Not impossible, but there is not a 50% chance, which makes this a decent bet at evens
Oh yeah, I'm definitely giving you a good deal at evens.
Ta
I'm genuinely curious, did Blair ever fall behind in the polls, from 94-97? I seem to recall one brief episode, but maybe I am imagining it
I think there may have been one or two, but I Starmer is no Blair and we live in very erratic times.
Of course Starmer isn't Blair; he's not a posh public schoolboy.
Hopefully should he prevail, he won't become a war criminal either. That was my big plus for Johnson. He wasn't a war criminal. I suppose there is always the prospect that during his second coming he can chalk up that label.
I'm no fan of Labour, or Blair, but calling him a war criminal is absurd.
We see war crimes in the real world, in Ukraine today with the deliberate and systematic targeting of civilians and the sanctioned rape, mass murder and abuse. That is a war crime.
What happened in Iraq was war, not a war crime. Calling every act of war a war crime completely devalues and demean the words.
It is somewhat complicated by the lack of evidence for weapons of mass destruction that were the purported cases belli. And an awful lot of people died as a result. I don’t believe Blair is a war criminal, but Incan understand why some do. To turn it around somewhat people are incredibly angry at Johnson, Hancock et al, and blame them for covid deaths. In many ways Blair was far more responsible for Iraqi deaths than Johnson and Hancock were for covid deaths. The Iraq war didn’t need to happen, Covid was thrust upon us.
The trouble is a war crime is the breaking of the international laws governing war, and an unprompted war of aggression is one such example. But of course it’s of a different nature to committing atrocities during a war. Both are crimes, both pretty serious, but different. Iraq teeters on the edge of a war deliberately started on false pretences, and a catastrophic error of judgment and intelligence failure.
The Iraq War wasn't unprompted though, it was prompted by Iraq invading Kuwait.
That’s stretching it a tad. Like saying the current Ukraine war was prompted by the maidan revolution in 2014.
No it's not. There was a ceasefire, that was violated, so the conflict resumed. Many wars haven't ended and are frozen in a ceasefire, the war unfreezing and resuming may make it politically seem new but it can be a continuation of the old conflict.
The current Ukraine war does indeed date back years. The conflict was frozen, but Russia invaded Ukraine years ago and the fact the battle lines were frozen for a few years doesn't make this a totally new conflict.
I think that’s one version of events. The other is that Bush wanted a war, Blair wanted to be the wingman and a lot of people died that didn’t need to.
Is this the end times for PB? Not with a bang, but a whimper? No topics to get people going, a calm, boring PM, a calm, boring leader of the opposition. Nearly Christmas, England and Wales out of the World Cup. Test doesn’t start until Saturday.
Is it time for a thread on AV?
Too many good people banned, too many entertaining voices silenced, too many contrary opinions forbidden
FFS I was banned the other night for suggesting that the eventual Nuremburg Trials for Covid (and there must be such things, 20 million people have died) should be capital trials. That execution should be an option. That is all. I did not say "hang person X" or "lynch doctor Y"
I was banned for merely suggesting that the gravity of the crime demands a grave response, and people on here cheered the banning. And so PB is dying
I didn’t cheer the banning, and I also miss @IshmaelZ.
PB had a bunch of salty regulars, who kept coming to the pub, loyally, even on a bleak boring midwinter Wednesday
They were opinionated and cranky, quirky and ornery, and often fascinating and well informed (at their best, they could also be gits). Sometimes when the flightier types arrived for the pub quiz or a football game, the regs would spit bile at the glory hunters and the fly by nights, but these drunk people kept the pub going. Even if they were occasionally bigoted or prone to Holocaust denial or simply liked singing IRA songs too loud or playing darts with flaming arrows
They WERE the pub. They have slowly been banned or edged out. The slot machine chings, with no one to play
Labour 46% (+1 vs November 2022) Conservatives 29% (-1) Liberal Democrats 9% (+1) Green 5% (+1) SNP 5% (nc) Reform UK 4% (-1) UKIP 2% (nc) Plaid Cymru <1% (nc) Other 1% (-1)</i>
I think at some point in 2023 we're going to see a Tory lead. But maybe just one or two outliers.
I don't
Fancy a bet?
£20 says there won't be a Tory lead in any of the BPC polls, before midnight Dec 31st, 2022?
This is a singularly ungenerous bet!
I meant 2023 - end of next year - obvs
I thought you were being rather nice to give away free money. I was going to ask if I could have some.
Did Blair suffer any polling deficits from 1994-1997?
Hardly any, as I recall,
We are in that situation again. It will need a huge black swan to give the Tories a lead. Not impossible, but there is not a 50% chance, which makes this a decent bet at evens
Oh yeah, I'm definitely giving you a good deal at evens.
Ta
I'm genuinely curious, did Blair ever fall behind in the polls, from 94-97? I seem to recall one brief episode, but maybe I am imagining it
I think there may have been one or two, but I Starmer is no Blair and we live in very erratic times.
Of course Starmer isn't Blair; he's not a posh public schoolboy.
Hopefully should he prevail, he won't become a war criminal either. That was my big plus for Johnson. He wasn't a war criminal. I suppose there is always the prospect that during his second coming he can chalk up that label.
I'm no fan of Labour, or Blair, but calling him a war criminal is absurd.
We see war crimes in the real world, in Ukraine today with the deliberate and systematic targeting of civilians and the sanctioned rape, mass murder and abuse. That is a war crime.
What happened in Iraq was war, not a war crime. Calling every act of war a war crime completely devalues and demean the words.
It is somewhat complicated by the lack of evidence for weapons of mass destruction that were the purported cases belli. And an awful lot of people died as a result. I don’t believe Blair is a war criminal, but Incan understand why some do. To turn it around somewhat people are incredibly angry at Johnson, Hancock et al, and blame them for covid deaths. In many ways Blair was far more responsible for Iraqi deaths than Johnson and Hancock were for covid deaths. The Iraq war didn’t need to happen, Covid was thrust upon us.
For all the damage done to Iraq I wonder if the bigger problem for Blair among the British electorate is the fact we were forced out.
I’m not sure. There were an awful lot of people opposed before the war even started. I think if they had found something in the line of WMD they could have got away with it, but frankly invading countries and expecting them to suddenly become fully functioning Western style democracies does not have a good track record.
Forget WMDs. If Saddam had been replaced with a somewhat better government without enormous bloodshed I think the public would have forgiven intelligence failings and dubious legality.
He was. The current Iraqi government is elected, includes Shias who are the Iraqi majority as well as Sunnis unlike Saddam's and is far better than his was, even if no western liberal democracy. Indeed the new Iraqi President is a Kurd, a group Saddam brutally oppressed
Labour 46% (+1 vs November 2022) Conservatives 29% (-1) Liberal Democrats 9% (+1) Green 5% (+1) SNP 5% (nc) Reform UK 4% (-1) UKIP 2% (nc) Plaid Cymru <1% (nc) Other 1% (-1)</i>
One notable trend in recent polls seems to have been the gradual decline of the Greens. From 9-10% in some and 6% in others for months, to a range closer to 3-6% now. It does vary wildly between pollsters but I’m pretty sure there’s been a decline, which has helped the Labour vote share.
I expect Ref to start a slow puncture from now on as a GE looms and refugee crossings start to slip from the front pages. Perhaps they’ll retain a core poujadiste following of people who find Sunak’s government a bit right on with all the net zero stuff, or “socialist” with its tax rises.
Is the green vote decline linked in any way to the CoL crisis? Part of the reason for high energy costs are the choices we have made on perusing greener energy. (Not saying this is wrong, before I get jumped on).
You're assuming people assert their intentions to vote Green on issues of the environment. Like LD's on Brexit. NOTA is a stronger factor IMHO. Lefties to Green, Righties to Reform/UKIP/ whatever, grumpy Centrists to LD.
I think at some point in 2023 we're going to see a Tory lead. But maybe just one or two outliers.
I don't
Fancy a bet?
£20 says there won't be a Tory lead in any of the BPC polls, before midnight Dec 31st, 2022?
This is a singularly ungenerous bet!
I meant 2023 - end of next year - obvs
I thought you were being rather nice to give away free money. I was going to ask if I could have some.
Did Blair suffer any polling deficits from 1994-1997?
Hardly any, as I recall,
We are in that situation again. It will need a huge black swan to give the Tories a lead. Not impossible, but there is not a 50% chance, which makes this a decent bet at evens
Oh yeah, I'm definitely giving you a good deal at evens.
Ta
I'm genuinely curious, did Blair ever fall behind in the polls, from 94-97? I seem to recall one brief episode, but maybe I am imagining it
I think there may have been one or two, but I Starmer is no Blair and we live in very erratic times.
Of course Starmer isn't Blair; he's not a posh public schoolboy.
Hopefully should he prevail, he won't become a war criminal either. That was my big plus for Johnson. He wasn't a war criminal. I suppose there is always the prospect that during his second coming he can chalk up that label.
I'm no fan of Labour, or Blair, but calling him a war criminal is absurd.
We see war crimes in the real world, in Ukraine today with the deliberate and systematic targeting of civilians and the sanctioned rape, mass murder and abuse. That is a war crime.
What happened in Iraq was war, not a war crime. Calling every act of war a war crime completely devalues and demean the words.
It was an illegal war without UN approval. It was justified on a false premise and we secured regime change and the execution of Sadam.
No it was not and could not be. The UN authorised the use of force against Iraq when they invaded Kuwait and no peace treaty was ever signed from that.
There was a ceasefire which led to certain obligations on Iraq regarding WMDs and cooperation, obligations they violated thus violating the ceasefire. So the war resumed.
The UN explicitly authorised the use of force against Iraq, one of the only times it did, and never rescinded that authorisation (which is how the No Fly Zone was in place) so that authorisation continued.
If you're in a state of ceasefire, dicking around with that ceasefire is either a brave or fatally stupid thing to do. For Saddam it was the latter.
Opposing the war is perfectly valid if you want to do it, but don't overegg it. It was not illegal.
I think the overwhelming consensus among international law specialists is that it WAS illegal. After all a UN resolution supporting military action was explicitly rejected!
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
Labour 46% (+1 vs November 2022) Conservatives 29% (-1) Liberal Democrats 9% (+1) Green 5% (+1) SNP 5% (nc) Reform UK 4% (-1) UKIP 2% (nc) Plaid Cymru <1% (nc) Other 1% (-1)</i>
One notable trend in recent polls seems to have been the gradual decline of the Greens. From 9-10% in some and 6% in others for months, to a range closer to 3-6% now. It does vary wildly between pollsters but I’m pretty sure there’s been a decline, which has helped the Labour vote share.
I expect Ref to start a slow puncture from now on as a GE looms and refugee crossings start to slip from the front pages. Perhaps they’ll retain a core poujadiste following of people who find Sunak’s government a bit right on with all the net zero stuff, or “socialist” with its tax rises.
Is the green vote decline linked in any way to the CoL crisis? Part of the reason for high energy costs are the choices we have made on perusing greener energy. (Not saying this is wrong, before I get jumped on).
You're assuming people assert their intentions to vote Green on issues of the environment. Like LD's on Brexit. NOTA is a stronger factor IMHO. Lefties to Green, Righties to LD.
Do they have other policies or do you think people pick them as protest votes?
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
You think all comprehensives are the same? Most parents want a good school for their children. Some of them pay for it. Some make a principled stance not to. However most of the latter do seem to make sure their kids go to a 'good' comprehensive.
I think at some point in 2023 we're going to see a Tory lead. But maybe just one or two outliers.
I don't
Fancy a bet?
£20 says there won't be a Tory lead in any of the BPC polls, before midnight Dec 31st, 2022?
This is a singularly ungenerous bet!
I meant 2023 - end of next year - obvs
I thought you were being rather nice to give away free money. I was going to ask if I could have some.
Did Blair suffer any polling deficits from 1994-1997?
Hardly any, as I recall,
We are in that situation again. It will need a huge black swan to give the Tories a lead. Not impossible, but there is not a 50% chance, which makes this a decent bet at evens
Oh yeah, I'm definitely giving you a good deal at evens.
Ta
I'm genuinely curious, did Blair ever fall behind in the polls, from 94-97? I seem to recall one brief episode, but maybe I am imagining it
I think there may have been one or two, but I Starmer is no Blair and we live in very erratic times.
Of course Starmer isn't Blair; he's not a posh public schoolboy.
Hopefully should he prevail, he won't become a war criminal either. That was my big plus for Johnson. He wasn't a war criminal. I suppose there is always the prospect that during his second coming he can chalk up that label.
I'm no fan of Labour, or Blair, but calling him a war criminal is absurd.
We see war crimes in the real world, in Ukraine today with the deliberate and systematic targeting of civilians and the sanctioned rape, mass murder and abuse. That is a war crime.
What happened in Iraq was war, not a war crime. Calling every act of war a war crime completely devalues and demean the words.
It is somewhat complicated by the lack of evidence for weapons of mass destruction that were the purported cases belli. And an awful lot of people died as a result. I don’t believe Blair is a war criminal, but Incan understand why some do. To turn it around somewhat people are incredibly angry at Johnson, Hancock et al, and blame them for covid deaths. In many ways Blair was far more responsible for Iraqi deaths than Johnson and Hancock were for covid deaths. The Iraq war didn’t need to happen, Covid was thrust upon us.
The trouble is a war crime is the breaking of the international laws governing war, and an unprompted war of aggression is one such example. But of course it’s of a different nature to committing atrocities during a war. Both are crimes, both pretty serious, but different. Iraq teeters on the edge of a war deliberately started on false pretences, and a catastrophic error of judgment and intelligence failure.
The Iraq War wasn't unprompted though, it was prompted by Iraq invading Kuwait.
That’s stretching it a tad. Like saying the current Ukraine war was prompted by the maidan revolution in 2014.
No it's not. There was a ceasefire, that was violated, so the conflict resumed. Many wars haven't ended and are frozen in a ceasefire, the war unfreezing and resuming may make it politically seem new but it can be a continuation of the old conflict.
The current Ukraine war does indeed date back years. The conflict was frozen, but Russia invaded Ukraine years ago and the fact the battle lines were frozen for a few years doesn't make this a totally new conflict.
I think that’s one version of events. The other is that Bush wanted a war, Blair wanted to be the wingman and a lot of people died that didn’t need to.
Indeed. Another version of events is that Bush wanted to finish the job his daddy should have finished and it was a personal grudge.
There's many ways to look at it but as a simple matter of fact the use of force was authorised by the UN and that authorisation was never rescinded. So it can not be a crime by the illegal use of force, since that authority still existed and would unless we and America voted to forbid it, which of course America at least could and would have vetoed.
Labour 46% (+1 vs November 2022) Conservatives 29% (-1) Liberal Democrats 9% (+1) Green 5% (+1) SNP 5% (nc) Reform UK 4% (-1) UKIP 2% (nc) Plaid Cymru <1% (nc) Other 1% (-1)</i>
One notable trend in recent polls seems to have been the gradual decline of the Greens. From 9-10% in some and 6% in others for months, to a range closer to 3-6% now. It does vary wildly between pollsters but I’m pretty sure there’s been a decline, which has helped the Labour vote share.
I expect Ref to start a slow puncture from now on as a GE looms and refugee crossings start to slip from the front pages. Perhaps they’ll retain a core poujadiste following of people who find Sunak’s government a bit right on with all the net zero stuff, or “socialist” with its tax rises.
Is the green vote decline linked in any way to the CoL crisis? Part of the reason for high energy costs are the choices we have made on perusing greener energy. (Not saying this is wrong, before I get jumped on).
More I think to consolidation behind Labour. A lot of the Green vote is environmentally driven, but also by left wingers not keen on Starmer.
On election day I expect most of the Green vote to go Labour and most of the REFUK vote to go Con, with little net impact on the Lab lead over Con.
Big Dwayne-The-Rock-Johnson-sized raised eyebrow at the ongoing obsession with private schooling on here.
Nerves touched.
Wait until I become the country's first directly elected dictator.
I shall abolish the Department for Education and privatise education.
Too late. That's already been done by the academisation ( is that even a word?) of comprehensive schools. Still funded by the LAs with academy group CEOs taking home whopping private sector captain of industry salaries. Luvvlyjubbly.
The DfE hasn’t been abolished, and it controls the abominations that are MATs (multi academy trusts).
Proper privatisation would mean getting rid of government control of schools at all except for an H+S style regulatory framework and inspectorate thereof, and letting schools teach what they wanted.
There would be significant drawbacks to such a system, but it’s hard to imagine they could be worse than the drawbacks of the current system. And at least it would put trained staff rather than retarded drunks who got the job because daddy knew the right people in charge of children’s education.
I have never dealt with the DfE so I can't comment. Education seems unnecessarily bureaucratic these days. However if we can privatise state education fully prior to the next GE, surely it provides wide ranging and profitable career opportunities for defeated Conservative MPs. What's not to like?
Labour 46% (+1 vs November 2022) Conservatives 29% (-1) Liberal Democrats 9% (+1) Green 5% (+1) SNP 5% (nc) Reform UK 4% (-1) UKIP 2% (nc) Plaid Cymru <1% (nc) Other 1% (-1)</i>
One notable trend in recent polls seems to have been the gradual decline of the Greens. From 9-10% in some and 6% in others for months, to a range closer to 3-6% now. It does vary wildly between pollsters but I’m pretty sure there’s been a decline, which has helped the Labour vote share.
I expect Ref to start a slow puncture from now on as a GE looms and refugee crossings start to slip from the front pages. Perhaps they’ll retain a core poujadiste following of people who find Sunak’s government a bit right on with all the net zero stuff, or “socialist” with its tax rises.
Is the green vote decline linked in any way to the CoL crisis? Part of the reason for high energy costs are the choices we have made on perusing greener energy. (Not saying this is wrong, before I get jumped on).
You're assuming people assert their intentions to vote Green on issues of the environment. Like LD's on Brexit. NOTA is a stronger factor IMHO. Lefties to Green, Righties to LD.
Do they have other policies or do you think people pick them as protest votes?
Some are committed. But in mid term opinion polls it's a NOTA and a protest IMHO.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
No it isn't a privilege to go to a comprehensive, it is just the local school you get allocated by the local authority. It is choice which drives up excellence not state directed allocation, in education as much as the economy.
No everything you achieved did not come from your comprehensive education and that is especially the case for bright children from working class backgrounds whose best chance of progressing is a grammar school or scholarship to a private school or failing that a free school
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
Your fourth, fifth and sixth words of your first sentence are extraneous.
2 MPC members vote for no rate hike. What planet are they living on?!
Last month I'd have agreed with you, but they [finally] took serious action last month and no time has been given yet to see it through, and inflation has already peaked and is forecast to come down potentially rapidly now.
Petrol is soon going to be recording serious deflation not inflation.
They were very late to start raising rates, but there's a real risk they'll again soon be fighting the last war again.
The problem with that is that the Fed (which also increased rates by 0.5%) was pretty hawkish in doing so yesterday and made it clear that there was more to come. Last month we had a problem because the BoE had fallen behind the curve that the Fed is creating. The risk now is that even although we have matched their increase the perception is that we are still not as focused on bringing inflation down sharply as the Fed is with a consequential weakening of Sterling and (ironically) more inflation from dollar rated products.
For a lot of reasons we need to get back to real interest rates. 3.5% when inflation is at 10.7% is frankly absurdly low and we need to fix this as fast as the economy can bear.
If today's inflation rate were to be sustained over the medium term then absolutely we would need to fix that, but the forecast is for us to have less than 2% inflation within 12 months. So real interest rates will be positive (for the first time in 16 years) within a year even with rates as they are. Unless the ECB have got its forecasts terribly wrong.
Unleaded is now down to 147.9 where I am and is trending down. That is very close to the same price as Jan 22, significantly cheaper than Feb 22 and lots cheaper than Mar 22 onwards.
Unless oil spikes back upwards it seems reasonable to believe that Unleaded at the least will be deflationary rather than inflationary in the national statistics for Q1 2023 and almost every commodity ought to be deflationary for Q2 2023.
The Bank has a duty to look forwards and not just fight the last war. I doubt they will properly though.
“the forecast is for us to have less than 2% inflation within 12 months”
A former chief constable who led the investigation into alleged sexual abuse by Sir Edward Heath and who later quit over allegations of serious misconduct, is to be appointed to a police scrutiny role.
Mike Veale, who previously headed Wiltshire and Cleveland police forces, will become the interim chief executive officer at the Office of the Police and Crime Commissioner (OPCC) for Leicester, Leicestershire and Rutland. His salary has not been disclosed.
In his new role, Veale, 56, will be the senior civil servant, alongside Rupert Matthews, responsible for holding Rob Nixon, the new chief constable for Leicestershire police, to account.
Oh for heaven's sake, it would be nice, just once, for incompetents to not either fail upwards or at least face no career impediments.
This dude in particular is clearly haunting me, since I have personal connections with each of the areas he has been involved with there.
Someone make sure cyclefree hasn't passed out with apoplexy at this news.
People really do just look at the jobs on a CV and assume the person must be great, don't they?
I long ago became utterly cynical about the way those who are incompetent, failures or actively malicious get promoted provided they lick the right arse. This is especially so in the police. The so-called bodies set up to hold them to account are not created to hold them to account at all - other than nominally - but to provide sinecures for the failures among them.
I wrote this on December 4th - "Re the resignation of the Head of the IOPC, nothing surprises me anymore about the police.
I applied to be on their governing Board a couple of years ago. Unsurprisingly this went nowhere.
Most of these bodies are created to provide jobs for all the useless senior policemen they want to kick upstairs. I did one investigation involving a former Head of a force in the Lords who was flogging access to dodgy Russians and fronting up their dubious companies."
Still. Look on the bright side - there will be plenty of material for headers on rotten police culture for years to come.Yay!
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
No it isn't a privilege to go to a comprehensive, it is just the local school you get allocated. It is choice which drives up excellence not state directed allocation in education as much as the economy.
No everything you achieved did not come from your comprehensive education and that is especially the case for bright children from working class backgrounds whose best chance of progressing is a grammar school or scholarship to a private school
So. How would a child with special needs be educated? Do they deserve a good education or not? Do you think the expansion of "choice" over the past decade has driven up standards or not? If so why? If not why? Please confine your answers to the State sector, which will always be where the vast majority attend.
I think at some point in 2023 we're going to see a Tory lead. But maybe just one or two outliers.
I don't
Fancy a bet?
£20 says there won't be a Tory lead in any of the BPC polls, before midnight Dec 31st, 2022?
This is a singularly ungenerous bet!
I meant 2023 - end of next year - obvs
I thought you were being rather nice to give away free money. I was going to ask if I could have some.
Did Blair suffer any polling deficits from 1994-1997?
Hardly any, as I recall,
We are in that situation again. It will need a huge black swan to give the Tories a lead. Not impossible, but there is not a 50% chance, which makes this a decent bet at evens
Oh yeah, I'm definitely giving you a good deal at evens.
Ta
I'm genuinely curious, did Blair ever fall behind in the polls, from 94-97? I seem to recall one brief episode, but maybe I am imagining it
I think there may have been one or two, but I Starmer is no Blair and we live in very erratic times.
Of course Starmer isn't Blair; he's not a posh public schoolboy.
Hopefully should he prevail, he won't become a war criminal either. That was my big plus for Johnson. He wasn't a war criminal. I suppose there is always the prospect that during his second coming he can chalk up that label.
I'm no fan of Labour, or Blair, but calling him a war criminal is absurd.
We see war crimes in the real world, in Ukraine today with the deliberate and systematic targeting of civilians and the sanctioned rape, mass murder and abuse. That is a war crime.
What happened in Iraq was war, not a war crime. Calling every act of war a war crime completely devalues and demean the words.
It was an illegal war without UN approval. It was justified on a false premise and we secured regime change and the execution of Sadam.
No it was not and could not be. The UN authorised the use of force against Iraq when they invaded Kuwait and no peace treaty was ever signed from that.
There was a ceasefire which led to certain obligations on Iraq regarding WMDs and cooperation, obligations they violated thus violating the ceasefire. So the war resumed.
The UN explicitly authorised the use of force against Iraq, one of the only times it did, and never rescinded that authorisation (which is how the No Fly Zone was in place) so that authorisation continued.
If you're in a state of ceasefire, dicking around with that ceasefire is either a brave or fatally stupid thing to do. For Saddam it was the latter.
Opposing the war is perfectly valid if you want to do it, but don't overegg it. It was not illegal.
I think the overwhelming consensus among international law specialists is that it WAS illegal. After all a UN resolution supporting military action was explicitly rejected!
Unless the prior authorisation to use force was ever rescinded, the use of force was still authorised. And force was continously used for years, hence the No Fly Zone which was militarily imposed.
There is no legal requirement to get new authorisation if you already have it. And having issued it the USA could veto any motion to rescind that authorisation once issued.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
No it isn't a privilege to go to a comprehensive, it is just the local school you get allocated. It is choice which drives up excellence not state directed allocation in education as much as the economy.
No everything you achieved did not come from your comprehensive education and that is especially the case for bright children from working class backgrounds whose best chance of progressing is a grammar school or scholarship to a private school
So. How would a child with special needs be educated? Do they deserve a good education or not?
Plenty of excellent private schools for children with special educational needs, again focused on them rather than losing them in the comprehensive system.
Choice has vastly improved state education too, see success stories like Mossbourne Academy, outside of LEA control and founded by businessman Sir Clive Bourne. Or the excellent Michaela Free School started by Katharine Birbalsingh and focused on strict discipline and academic subjects and getting its pupils into top universities
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
No it isn't a privilege to go to a comprehensive, it is just the local school you get allocated. It is choice which drives up excellence not state directed allocation in education as much as the economy.
No everything you achieved did not come from your comprehensive education and that is especially the case for bright children from working class backgrounds whose best chance of progressing is a grammar school or scholarship to a private school
So. How would a child with special needs be educated? Do they deserve a good education or not?
Plenty of excellent private schools for children with special educational needs, again focused on them rather than losing them in the comprehensive system
Bingo. You didn't see my edited post. What about those whose parents can't afford it?
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
Certainly I benefitted from going to a Comprehensive. I did well academically obviously, but I think the non-academic side is equally important. I mixed and had friends with a wide variety of kids, far wider than at any private school. That has been very useful in terms of how I approach patients and staff. I learned to argue, drink and debate with people with completely different world views. My dislike of arbitrary authority has those roots too.
Measuring an education purely on the base of academic achievement, is to really devalue the whole process. Education is about much more, it is about answering the only real question "How should we live?"
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
No it isn't a privilege to go to a comprehensive, it is just the local school you get allocated. It is choice which drives up excellence not state directed allocation in education as much as the economy.
No everything you achieved did not come from your comprehensive education and that is especially the case for bright children from working class backgrounds whose best chance of progressing is a grammar school or scholarship to a private school
So. How would a child with special needs be educated? Do they deserve a good education or not?
Plenty of excellent private schools for children with special educational needs, again focused on them rather than losing them in the comprehensive system.
Choice has vastly improved state education too, see success stories like Mossbourne Academy, outside of LEA control and founded by businessman Sir Clive Bourne. Or the excellent Michaela Free School started by Katharine Birbalsingh and focused on strict discipline and academic subjects and getting its pupils into top universities
How does strict discipline help kids with autism, anorexia, psychosis, ADHD or physical or sexual abuse attend top universities?
Of course Iraq wasn't even the first, second or third time Blair committed British forces into action overseas and many of the other times before it had less UN authorisation than Iraq did.
It's amusing how nobody says Blair and Bill Clinton are war criminals due to Kosovo. Or Blair for Sierra Leone.
And @turbotubbs while the use of force to get better results or democracy has had a mixed record, the lack of the use of force has also had a very tarnished record too. For example the Balkans.
Is this the end times for PB? Not with a bang, but a whimper? No topics to get people going, a calm, boring PM, a calm, boring leader of the opposition. Nearly Christmas, England and Wales out of the World Cup. Test doesn’t start until Saturday.
Is it time for a thread on AV?
Too many good people banned, too many entertaining voices silenced, too many contrary opinions forbidden
FFS I was banned the other night for suggesting that the eventual Nuremburg Trials for Covid (and there must be such things, 20 million people have died) should be capital trials. That execution should be an option. That is all. I did not say "hang person X" or "lynch doctor Y"
I was banned for merely suggesting that the gravity of the crime demands a grave response, and people on here cheered the banning. And so PB is dying
I didn’t cheer the banning, and I also miss @IshmaelZ.
PB had a bunch of salty regulars, who kept coming to the pub, loyally, even on a bleak boring midwinter Wednesday
They were opinionated and cranky, quirky and ornery, and often fascinating and well informed (at their best, they could also be gits). Sometimes when the flightier types arrived for the pub quiz or a football game, the regs would spit bile at the glory hunters and the fly by nights, but these drunk people kept the pub going. Even if they were occasionally bigoted or prone to Holocaust denial or simply liked singing IRA songs too loud or playing darts with flaming arrows
They WERE the pub. They have slowly been banned or edged out. The slot machine chings, with no one to play
Well I have posted a provocative article. So there. And I am drugged up to the eyeballs. And opinionated. And for various reasons in a filthy mood. I LOVE a good argument.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
It's quite interesting that our friend Northern_Al doesn't see kids being taken out of their school, away from their friends and dumped in whatever school the postcode lottery deems fit, as suffering.
Quite the chip on the shoulder there.
Don't think northern_al has a chip on his shoulder....just think his experience was different to mine. Some are lucky and go to good state schools...some arent and end up in schools where the parents dont value education and the teachers expect nothing of their pupils...I just had the latter experience
A former chief constable who led the investigation into alleged sexual abuse by Sir Edward Heath and who later quit over allegations of serious misconduct, is to be appointed to a police scrutiny role.
Mike Veale, who previously headed Wiltshire and Cleveland police forces, will become the interim chief executive officer at the Office of the Police and Crime Commissioner (OPCC) for Leicester, Leicestershire and Rutland. His salary has not been disclosed.
In his new role, Veale, 56, will be the senior civil servant, alongside Rupert Matthews, responsible for holding Rob Nixon, the new chief constable for Leicestershire police, to account.
Oh for heaven's sake, it would be nice, just once, for incompetents to not either fail upwards or at least face no career impediments.
This dude in particular is clearly haunting me, since I have personal connections with each of the areas he has been involved with there.
Someone make sure cyclefree hasn't passed out with apoplexy at this news.
People really do just look at the jobs on a CV and assume the person must be great, don't they?
I long ago became utterly cynical about the way those who are incompetent, failures or actively malicious get promoted provided they lick the right arse. This is especially so in the police. The so-called bodies set up to hold them to account are not created to hold them to account at all - other than nominally - but to provide sinecures for the failures among them.
I wrote this on December 4th - "Re the resignation of the Head of the IOPC, nothing surprises me anymore about the police.
I applied to be on their governing Board a couple of years ago. Unsurprisingly this went nowhere.
Most of these bodies are created to provide jobs for all the useless senior policemen they want to kick upstairs. I did one investigation involving a former Head of a force in the Lords who was flogging access to dodgy Russians and fronting up their dubious companies."
Still. Look on the bright side - there will be plenty of material for headers on rotten police culture for years to come.Yay!
The person in question is a member of the New Upper 10,000
Membership includes the divine right to a better job after each chronic failure.
The poster child for this is Charlie Prince. After crashing Citibank in spectacular style, during the Financial Crisis, be bitterly complained of his obviously unreasonable treatment. He received only $91 million settlement and the job offers he received were not in accord with his stature…
It was hard not to sympathise with poor Sharon Shoesmith - she was *so* convinced that she had reached the Magic Circle.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
No it isn't a privilege to go to a comprehensive, it is just the local school you get allocated. It is choice which drives up excellence not state directed allocation in education as much as the economy.
No everything you achieved did not come from your comprehensive education and that is especially the case for bright children from working class backgrounds whose best chance of progressing is a grammar school or scholarship to a private school
So. How would a child with special needs be educated? Do they deserve a good education or not?
Plenty of excellent private schools for children with special educational needs, again focused on them rather than losing them in the comprehensive system.
Choice has vastly improved state education too, see success stories like Mossbourne Academy, outside of LEA control and founded by businessman Sir Clive Bourne. Or the excellent Michaela Free School started by Katharine Birbalsingh and focused on strict discipline and academic subjects and getting its pupils into top universities
How does strict discipline help kids with autism and ADHD attend top universities?
By allowing teachers to concentrate on their pupils needs, which the pupils you mention have even more of, rather than disruptive and misbehaving pupils taking their attention instead.
Pupils with no special needs and attentive parents can get good results even without the teachers help. Good discipline helps those who are struggling the most.
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Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
Certainly I benefitted from going to a Comprehensive. I did well academically obviously, but I think the non-academic side is equally important. I mixed and had friends with a wide variety of kids, far wider than at any private school. That has been very useful in terms of how I approach patients and staff. I learned to argue, drink and debate with people with completely different world views. My dislike of arbitrary authority has those roots too.
Measuring an education purely on the base of academic achievement, is to really devalue the whole process. Education is about much more, it is about answering the only real question "How should we live?"
Exactly. I was at the Christmas concert at school last night. The music was beautiful. But what made it even more special was the knowledge that none of the kids had had to sit a test to be there and nobody was excluded because their parents couldn't pay. They were just kids from our neighbourhood, and thanks to their hard work and that of their teachers they had been taught to make beautiful music together. It was a privilege to be there.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Some state schools still are and still value learning eg the few remaining grammar schools and a few of the top outstanding faith schools and some academies like Mossbourne and free schools like Michaela Community School.
However Labour are not great fans of the former and the left not even fans of the latter
Every time I have ever got involved with the state I got fucked over. The left love it I know but if all they ever do is fuck you then you learn to avoid them
People treat you as you treat them in my experience.
I hardly ever spoke to anyone let alone be violent. Fuck you for blaming the victim here. Pointless talking to anyone as they ignored me. Till I hit 15 I was small for my age so pointless being violent as would get shat on
Physical violence is not the only way of treating people badly, as you demonstrate so well in your reply.
I treated you badly by saying you were blaming me for my treatment by peers?
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
No it isn't a privilege to go to a comprehensive, it is just the local school you get allocated. It is choice which drives up excellence not state directed allocation in education as much as the economy.
No everything you achieved did not come from your comprehensive education and that is especially the case for bright children from working class backgrounds whose best chance of progressing is a grammar school or scholarship to a private school
So. How would a child with special needs be educated? Do they deserve a good education or not?
Plenty of excellent private schools for children with special educational needs, again focused on them rather than losing them in the comprehensive system.
Choice has vastly improved state education too, see success stories like Mossbourne Academy, outside of LEA control and founded by businessman Sir Clive Bourne. Or the excellent Michaela Free School started by Katharine Birbalsingh and focused on strict discipline and academic subjects and getting its pupils into top universities
How does strict discipline help kids with autism, anorexia, psychosis, ADHD or physical or sexual abuse attend top universities?
As they don't have endless disruption of the class
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
No it isn't a privilege to go to a comprehensive, it is just the local school you get allocated. It is choice which drives up excellence not state directed allocation in education as much as the economy.
No everything you achieved did not come from your comprehensive education and that is especially the case for bright children from working class backgrounds whose best chance of progressing is a grammar school or scholarship to a private school
So. How would a child with special needs be educated? Do they deserve a good education or not?
Plenty of excellent private schools for children with special educational needs, again focused on them rather than losing them in the comprehensive system.
Choice has vastly improved state education too, see success stories like Mossbourne Academy, outside of LEA control and founded by businessman Sir Clive Bourne. Or the excellent Michaela Free School started by Katharine Birbalsingh and focused on strict discipline and academic subjects and getting its pupils into top universities
How does strict discipline help kids with autism and ADHD attend top universities?
By allowing teachers to concentrate on their pupils needs, which the pupils you mention have even more of, rather than disruptive and misbehaving pupils taking their attention instead.
Pupils with no special needs and attentive parents can get good results even without the teachers help. Good discipline helps those who are struggling the most.
Thanks for your insight. A question. Who do you think the disruptive pupils are?
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
Certainly I benefitted from going to a Comprehensive. I did well academically obviously, but I think the non-academic side is equally important. I mixed and had friends with a wide variety of kids, far wider than at any private school. That has been very useful in terms of how I approach patients and staff. I learned to argue, drink and debate with people with completely different world views. My dislike of arbitrary authority has those roots too.
Measuring an education purely on the base of academic achievement, is to really devalue the whole process. Education is about much more, it is about answering the only real question "How should we live?"
Education is about academic achievement. If you want to see the real world sending your teenage or student children to work in a summer in a factory or shopfloor is far more likely to expose them to that then just sending them to the equally largely middle class outstanding state school down the road
2 MPC members vote for no rate hike. What planet are they living on?!
Last month I'd have agreed with you, but they [finally] took serious action last month and no time has been given yet to see it through, and inflation has already peaked and is forecast to come down potentially rapidly now.
Petrol is soon going to be recording serious deflation not inflation.
They were very late to start raising rates, but there's a real risk they'll again soon be fighting the last war again.
The problem with that is that the Fed (which also increased rates by 0.5%) was pretty hawkish in doing so yesterday and made it clear that there was more to come. Last month we had a problem because the BoE had fallen behind the curve that the Fed is creating. The risk now is that even although we have matched their increase the perception is that we are still not as focused on bringing inflation down sharply as the Fed is with a consequential weakening of Sterling and (ironically) more inflation from dollar rated products.
For a lot of reasons we need to get back to real interest rates. 3.5% when inflation is at 10.7% is frankly absurdly low and we need to fix this as fast as the economy can bear.
If today's inflation rate were to be sustained over the medium term then absolutely we would need to fix that, but the forecast is for us to have less than 2% inflation within 12 months. So real interest rates will be positive (for the first time in 16 years) within a year even with rates as they are. Unless the ECB have got its forecasts terribly wrong.
Unleaded is now down to 147.9 where I am and is trending down. That is very close to the same price as Jan 22, significantly cheaper than Feb 22 and lots cheaper than Mar 22 onwards.
Unless oil spikes back upwards it seems reasonable to believe that Unleaded at the least will be deflationary rather than inflationary in the national statistics for Q1 2023 and almost every commodity ought to be deflationary for Q2 2023.
The Bank has a duty to look forwards and not just fight the last war. I doubt they will properly though.
“the forecast is for us to have less than 2% inflation within 12 months”
Whose forecasting that?
The Bank of England.
If they believe that, then that should inform the MPC voting.
If they don't believe that, why the hell are they saying it?
A new law was introduced for vote in the Russian Duma, de-criminalising all potential crimes committed in occupied Ukraine, provided the actions were taken “in the interests of the Russian federation”. The law does not clarify which laws can be violated. https://mobile.twitter.com/MartinKragh1/status/1603483396617154560
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Some state schools still are and still value learning eg the few remaining grammar schools and a few of the top outstanding faith schools and some academies like Mossbourne and free schools like Michaela Community School.
However Labour are not great fans of the former and the left not even fans of the latter
Every time I have ever got involved with the state I got fucked over. The left love it I know but if all they ever do is fuck you then you learn to avoid them
People treat you as you treat them in my experience.
I hardly ever spoke to anyone let alone be violent. Fuck you for blaming the victim here. Pointless talking to anyone as they ignored me. Till I hit 15 I was small for my age so pointless being violent as would get shat on
Physical violence is not the only way of treating people badly, as you demonstrate so well in your reply.
I treated you badly by saying you were blaming me for my treatment by peers?
No, I don't blame you for that.
What I meant is that carrying those wounds into adult life is only hurting yourself more. A shit childhood like you describe is certainly a bad start in life, but acting aggressively to everyone as a response is no way to escape. It is just a retreat back into that cage.
A new law was introduced for vote in the Russian Duma, de-criminalising all potential crimes committed in occupied Ukraine, provided the actions were taken “in the interests of the Russian federation”. The law does not clarify which laws can be violated. https://mobile.twitter.com/MartinKragh1/status/1603483396617154560
Ah, an Enabling Act.
Alternatively -
“It is by my order and for the good of the state that the bearer of this has done what he has done.
2 MPC members vote for no rate hike. What planet are they living on?!
Last month I'd have agreed with you, but they [finally] took serious action last month and no time has been given yet to see it through, and inflation has already peaked and is forecast to come down potentially rapidly now.
Petrol is soon going to be recording serious deflation not inflation.
They were very late to start raising rates, but there's a real risk they'll again soon be fighting the last war again.
The problem with that is that the Fed (which also increased rates by 0.5%) was pretty hawkish in doing so yesterday and made it clear that there was more to come. Last month we had a problem because the BoE had fallen behind the curve that the Fed is creating. The risk now is that even although we have matched their increase the perception is that we are still not as focused on bringing inflation down sharply as the Fed is with a consequential weakening of Sterling and (ironically) more inflation from dollar rated products.
For a lot of reasons we need to get back to real interest rates. 3.5% when inflation is at 10.7% is frankly absurdly low and we need to fix this as fast as the economy can bear.
If today's inflation rate were to be sustained over the medium term then absolutely we would need to fix that, but the forecast is for us to have less than 2% inflation within 12 months. So real interest rates will be positive (for the first time in 16 years) within a year even with rates as they are. Unless the ECB have got its forecasts terribly wrong.
Unleaded is now down to 147.9 where I am and is trending down. That is very close to the same price as Jan 22, significantly cheaper than Feb 22 and lots cheaper than Mar 22 onwards.
Unless oil spikes back upwards it seems reasonable to believe that Unleaded at the least will be deflationary rather than inflationary in the national statistics for Q1 2023 and almost every commodity ought to be deflationary for Q2 2023.
The Bank has a duty to look forwards and not just fight the last war. I doubt they will properly though.
“the forecast is for us to have less than 2% inflation within 12 months”
Whose forecasting that?
The Bank of England.
If they believe that, then that should inform the MPC voting.
If they don't believe that, why the hell are they saying it?
The LPM official CPI forecast at Dec 2023 is 5% and for Dec 2024 and Dec 2025 is 3% and 2% respectively.
I went to a modestly high powered Soho London media party tonight. Well known TV types, aides and rellies of senior ministers, etc
Almost no one had heard of ChatGPT. And this wasn't me prowling around bothering people for answers, the question went around, a few had an inkling, no one had tried it
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Some state schools still are and still value learning eg the few remaining grammar schools and a few of the top outstanding faith schools and some academies like Mossbourne and free schools like Michaela Community School.
However Labour are not great fans of the former and the left not even fans of the latter
Every time I have ever got involved with the state I got fucked over. The left love it I know but if all they ever do is fuck you then you learn to avoid them
People treat you as you treat them in my experience.
I hardly ever spoke to anyone let alone be violent. Fuck you for blaming the victim here. Pointless talking to anyone as they ignored me. Till I hit 15 I was small for my age so pointless being violent as would get shat on
Physical violence is not the only way of treating people badly, as you demonstrate so well in your reply.
I treated you badly by saying you were blaming me for my treatment by peers?
No, I don't blame you for that.
What I meant is that carrying those wounds into adult life is only hurting yourself more. A shit childhood like you describe is certainly a bad start in life, but acting aggressively to everyone as a response is no way to escape. It is just a retreat back into that cage.
a lot of my posts are not aggressive. I am agressive when people assert shit that isnt true such as state schools are all rainbows and sunshine
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
Certainly I benefitted from going to a Comprehensive. I did well academically obviously, but I think the non-academic side is equally important. I mixed and had friends with a wide variety of kids, far wider than at any private school. That has been very useful in terms of how I approach patients and staff. I learned to argue, drink and debate with people with completely different world views. My dislike of arbitrary authority has those roots too.
Measuring an education purely on the base of academic achievement, is to really devalue the whole process. Education is about much more, it is about answering the only real question "How should we live?"
I always find it interesting to see people describing how wide ranging their social circle and range of experience is.
The assumption of widest experience is often rather like that of being the most intelligent.
I think the most interesting vote shares here despite their small absolute size will be Lib Dem and Ref.
Lib Dem because I have a sense they’re doing worse in polling than in real council elections (and they outperformed expectations in Chester) and this could be an important factor to watch for the blue wall. I don’t think it says anything about tactical voting as this one’s a free hit.
Ref because it might indicate which end of their very wide national polling range is more accurate (although as others have stated they wouldn’t be expected to do well in this area).
I don’t think Green is so important. They’ll do well, again because it’s a pretty left wing area and this is a free hit, but the voters will return home to labour at a GE.
Do you have an idea of how many Reform candidates there will be? The greens stood about 500 last time.
A new law was introduced for vote in the Russian Duma, de-criminalising all potential crimes committed in occupied Ukraine, provided the actions were taken “in the interests of the Russian federation”. The law does not clarify which laws can be violated. https://mobile.twitter.com/MartinKragh1/status/1603483396617154560
Ah, an Enabling Act.
Alternatively -
“It is by my order and for the good of the state that the bearer of this has done what he has done.
“RICHELIEU”
Or the orders to the German army before Operation Barbarossa.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Some state schools still are and still value learning eg the few remaining grammar schools and a few of the top outstanding faith schools and some academies like Mossbourne and free schools like Michaela Community School.
However Labour are not great fans of the former and the left not even fans of the latter
Every time I have ever got involved with the state I got fucked over. The left love it I know but if all they ever do is fuck you then you learn to avoid them
People treat you as you treat them in my experience.
I hardly ever spoke to anyone let alone be violent. Fuck you for blaming the victim here. Pointless talking to anyone as they ignored me. Till I hit 15 I was small for my age so pointless being violent as would get shat on
Physical violence is not the only way of treating people badly, as you demonstrate so well in your reply.
I treated you badly by saying you were blaming me for my treatment by peers?
No, I don't blame you for that.
What I meant is that carrying those wounds into adult life is only hurting yourself more. A shit childhood like you describe is certainly a bad start in life, but acting aggressively to everyone as a response is no way to escape. It is just a retreat back into that cage.
a lot of my posts are not aggressive. I am agressive when people assert shit that isnt true such as state schools are all rainbows and sunshine
Also you were blaming me by asserting you get treated as you treat others without any evidence I treated my peers at school badly
2 MPC members vote for no rate hike. What planet are they living on?!
Last month I'd have agreed with you, but they [finally] took serious action last month and no time has been given yet to see it through, and inflation has already peaked and is forecast to come down potentially rapidly now.
Petrol is soon going to be recording serious deflation not inflation.
They were very late to start raising rates, but there's a real risk they'll again soon be fighting the last war again.
The problem with that is that the Fed (which also increased rates by 0.5%) was pretty hawkish in doing so yesterday and made it clear that there was more to come. Last month we had a problem because the BoE had fallen behind the curve that the Fed is creating. The risk now is that even although we have matched their increase the perception is that we are still not as focused on bringing inflation down sharply as the Fed is with a consequential weakening of Sterling and (ironically) more inflation from dollar rated products.
For a lot of reasons we need to get back to real interest rates. 3.5% when inflation is at 10.7% is frankly absurdly low and we need to fix this as fast as the economy can bear.
If today's inflation rate were to be sustained over the medium term then absolutely we would need to fix that, but the forecast is for us to have less than 2% inflation within 12 months. So real interest rates will be positive (for the first time in 16 years) within a year even with rates as they are. Unless the ECB have got its forecasts terribly wrong.
Unleaded is now down to 147.9 where I am and is trending down. That is very close to the same price as Jan 22, significantly cheaper than Feb 22 and lots cheaper than Mar 22 onwards.
Unless oil spikes back upwards it seems reasonable to believe that Unleaded at the least will be deflationary rather than inflationary in the national statistics for Q1 2023 and almost every commodity ought to be deflationary for Q2 2023.
The Bank has a duty to look forwards and not just fight the last war. I doubt they will properly though.
“the forecast is for us to have less than 2% inflation within 12 months”
Whose forecasting that?
The Bank of England.
If they believe that, then that should inform the MPC voting.
If they don't believe that, why the hell are they saying it?
The LPM official CPI forecast at Dec 2023 is 5% and for Dec 2024 and Dec 2025 is 3% and 2% respectively.
A 3 year forecast for 2%? How wide are their error bars?
In any case, interest rates can always come down in a year or two's time.
2 MPC members vote for no rate hike. What planet are they living on?!
Last month I'd have agreed with you, but they [finally] took serious action last month and no time has been given yet to see it through, and inflation has already peaked and is forecast to come down potentially rapidly now.
Petrol is soon going to be recording serious deflation not inflation.
They were very late to start raising rates, but there's a real risk they'll again soon be fighting the last war again.
The problem with that is that the Fed (which also increased rates by 0.5%) was pretty hawkish in doing so yesterday and made it clear that there was more to come. Last month we had a problem because the BoE had fallen behind the curve that the Fed is creating. The risk now is that even although we have matched their increase the perception is that we are still not as focused on bringing inflation down sharply as the Fed is with a consequential weakening of Sterling and (ironically) more inflation from dollar rated products.
For a lot of reasons we need to get back to real interest rates. 3.5% when inflation is at 10.7% is frankly absurdly low and we need to fix this as fast as the economy can bear.
If today's inflation rate were to be sustained over the medium term then absolutely we would need to fix that, but the forecast is for us to have less than 2% inflation within 12 months. So real interest rates will be positive (for the first time in 16 years) within a year even with rates as they are. Unless the ECB have got its forecasts terribly wrong.
Unleaded is now down to 147.9 where I am and is trending down. That is very close to the same price as Jan 22, significantly cheaper than Feb 22 and lots cheaper than Mar 22 onwards.
Unless oil spikes back upwards it seems reasonable to believe that Unleaded at the least will be deflationary rather than inflationary in the national statistics for Q1 2023 and almost every commodity ought to be deflationary for Q2 2023.
The Bank has a duty to look forwards and not just fight the last war. I doubt they will properly though.
“the forecast is for us to have less than 2% inflation within 12 months”
Whose forecasting that?
The Bank of England.
If they believe that, then that should inform the MPC voting.
If they don't believe that, why the hell are they saying it?
That's the target not the forecast. That's been the target for the last twenty odd years. The forecast for next December is circa 5/6%. Let's face it BoE inflation forecasts have been as accurate as Leon's World Cup tips
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
No it isn't a privilege to go to a comprehensive, it is just the local school you get allocated by the local authority. It is choice which drives up excellence not state directed allocation, in education as much as the economy.
No everything you achieved did not come from your comprehensive education and that is especially the case for bright children from working class backgrounds whose best chance of progressing is a grammar school or scholarship to a private school or failing that a free school
My best chance of progressing, which I took, was to take advantage of the opportunity of a free education provided to me, by working hard, being diligent, doing the revision and passing my exams.
No privilege. No fast track. No advantage through accident of birth. Just the same opportunity as the vast majority. Some take it. Some choose not to. But it should be open to all. Equally.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
No it isn't a privilege to go to a comprehensive, it is just the local school you get allocated. It is choice which drives up excellence not state directed allocation in education as much as the economy.
No everything you achieved did not come from your comprehensive education and that is especially the case for bright children from working class backgrounds whose best chance of progressing is a grammar school or scholarship to a private school
So. How would a child with special needs be educated? Do they deserve a good education or not?
Plenty of excellent private schools for children with special educational needs, again focused on them rather than losing them in the comprehensive system.
Choice has vastly improved state education too, see success stories like Mossbourne Academy, outside of LEA control and founded by businessman Sir Clive Bourne. Or the excellent Michaela Free School started by Katharine Birbalsingh and focused on strict discipline and academic subjects and getting its pupils into top universities
How does strict discipline help kids with autism, anorexia, psychosis, ADHD or physical or sexual abuse attend top universities?
As they don't have endless disruption of the class
You think "strict discipline" solves them? You're in the wrong job then. Come and do a week and enlighten us. Please. It'll be minimum wage, but you're worth it.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Some state schools still are and still value learning eg the few remaining grammar schools and a few of the top outstanding faith schools and some academies like Mossbourne and free schools like Michaela Community School.
However Labour are not great fans of the former and the left not even fans of the latter
Every time I have ever got involved with the state I got fucked over. The left love it I know but if all they ever do is fuck you then you learn to avoid them
People treat you as you treat them in my experience.
I hardly ever spoke to anyone let alone be violent. Fuck you for blaming the victim here. Pointless talking to anyone as they ignored me. Till I hit 15 I was small for my age so pointless being violent as would get shat on
Physical violence is not the only way of treating people badly, as you demonstrate so well in your reply.
I treated you badly by saying you were blaming me for my treatment by peers?
No, I don't blame you for that.
What I meant is that carrying those wounds into adult life is only hurting yourself more. A shit childhood like you describe is certainly a bad start in life, but acting aggressively to everyone as a response is no way to escape. It is just a retreat back into that cage.
a lot of my posts are not aggressive. I am agressive when people assert shit that isnt true such as state schools are all rainbows and sunshine
Also you were blaming me by asserting you get treated as you treat others without any evidence I treated my peers at school badly
I meant that you treat your peers badly now, including other posters on here such as me.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
Certainly I benefitted from going to a Comprehensive. I did well academically obviously, but I think the non-academic side is equally important. I mixed and had friends with a wide variety of kids, far wider than at any private school. That has been very useful in terms of how I approach patients and staff. I learned to argue, drink and debate with people with completely different world views. My dislike of arbitrary authority has those roots too.
Measuring an education purely on the base of academic achievement, is to really devalue the whole process. Education is about much more, it is about answering the only real question "How should we live?"
I always find it interesting to see people describing how wide ranging their social circle and range of experience is.
The assumption of widest experience is often rather like that of being the most intelligent.
Indeed, I would imagine the number of white working class people who voted Leave in 2016 and for Boris in 2019 in Foxy's 'wide social circle' can be counted on one hand!
2 MPC members vote for no rate hike. What planet are they living on?!
Last month I'd have agreed with you, but they [finally] took serious action last month and no time has been given yet to see it through, and inflation has already peaked and is forecast to come down potentially rapidly now.
Petrol is soon going to be recording serious deflation not inflation.
They were very late to start raising rates, but there's a real risk they'll again soon be fighting the last war again.
The problem with that is that the Fed (which also increased rates by 0.5%) was pretty hawkish in doing so yesterday and made it clear that there was more to come. Last month we had a problem because the BoE had fallen behind the curve that the Fed is creating. The risk now is that even although we have matched their increase the perception is that we are still not as focused on bringing inflation down sharply as the Fed is with a consequential weakening of Sterling and (ironically) more inflation from dollar rated products.
For a lot of reasons we need to get back to real interest rates. 3.5% when inflation is at 10.7% is frankly absurdly low and we need to fix this as fast as the economy can bear.
If today's inflation rate were to be sustained over the medium term then absolutely we would need to fix that, but the forecast is for us to have less than 2% inflation within 12 months. So real interest rates will be positive (for the first time in 16 years) within a year even with rates as they are. Unless the ECB have got its forecasts terribly wrong.
Unleaded is now down to 147.9 where I am and is trending down. That is very close to the same price as Jan 22, significantly cheaper than Feb 22 and lots cheaper than Mar 22 onwards.
Unless oil spikes back upwards it seems reasonable to believe that Unleaded at the least will be deflationary rather than inflationary in the national statistics for Q1 2023 and almost every commodity ought to be deflationary for Q2 2023.
The Bank has a duty to look forwards and not just fight the last war. I doubt they will properly though.
“the forecast is for us to have less than 2% inflation within 12 months”
Whose forecasting that?
The Bank of England.
If they believe that, then that should inform the MPC voting.
If they don't believe that, why the hell are they saying it?
You will have to find where they are saying it and show us.
What I get from Bank of England is 2% in medium term, not 1 year, steady decline in inflation in spring, quicker second half of next year, but not getting to 2% because of current and anticipated private sector wage growth.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Some state schools still are and still value learning eg the few remaining grammar schools and a few of the top outstanding faith schools and some academies like Mossbourne and free schools like Michaela Community School.
However Labour are not great fans of the former and the left not even fans of the latter
Every time I have ever got involved with the state I got fucked over. The left love it I know but if all they ever do is fuck you then you learn to avoid them
People treat you as you treat them in my experience.
I hardly ever spoke to anyone let alone be violent. Fuck you for blaming the victim here. Pointless talking to anyone as they ignored me. Till I hit 15 I was small for my age so pointless being violent as would get shat on
Physical violence is not the only way of treating people badly, as you demonstrate so well in your reply.
I treated you badly by saying you were blaming me for my treatment by peers?
No, I don't blame you for that.
What I meant is that carrying those wounds into adult life is only hurting yourself more. A shit childhood like you describe is certainly a bad start in life, but acting aggressively to everyone as a response is no way to escape. It is just a retreat back into that cage.
a lot of my posts are not aggressive. I am agressive when people assert shit that isnt true such as state schools are all rainbows and sunshine
People on here are more likely to assert the opposite - fair play to you, you're one of the few people to assert that who has actually set foot in one. Your experience was awful but not typical.
2 MPC members vote for no rate hike. What planet are they living on?!
Last month I'd have agreed with you, but they [finally] took serious action last month and no time has been given yet to see it through, and inflation has already peaked and is forecast to come down potentially rapidly now.
Petrol is soon going to be recording serious deflation not inflation.
They were very late to start raising rates, but there's a real risk they'll again soon be fighting the last war again.
The problem with that is that the Fed (which also increased rates by 0.5%) was pretty hawkish in doing so yesterday and made it clear that there was more to come. Last month we had a problem because the BoE had fallen behind the curve that the Fed is creating. The risk now is that even although we have matched their increase the perception is that we are still not as focused on bringing inflation down sharply as the Fed is with a consequential weakening of Sterling and (ironically) more inflation from dollar rated products.
For a lot of reasons we need to get back to real interest rates. 3.5% when inflation is at 10.7% is frankly absurdly low and we need to fix this as fast as the economy can bear.
If today's inflation rate were to be sustained over the medium term then absolutely we would need to fix that, but the forecast is for us to have less than 2% inflation within 12 months. So real interest rates will be positive (for the first time in 16 years) within a year even with rates as they are. Unless the ECB have got its forecasts terribly wrong.
Unleaded is now down to 147.9 where I am and is trending down. That is very close to the same price as Jan 22, significantly cheaper than Feb 22 and lots cheaper than Mar 22 onwards.
Unless oil spikes back upwards it seems reasonable to believe that Unleaded at the least will be deflationary rather than inflationary in the national statistics for Q1 2023 and almost every commodity ought to be deflationary for Q2 2023.
The Bank has a duty to look forwards and not just fight the last war. I doubt they will properly though.
“the forecast is for us to have less than 2% inflation within 12 months”
Whose forecasting that?
The Bank of England.
If they believe that, then that should inform the MPC voting.
If they don't believe that, why the hell are they saying it?
That's the target not the forecast. That's been the target for the last twenty odd years. The forecast for next December is circa 5/6%. Let's face it BoE inflation forecasts have been as accurate as Leon's World Cup tips
He tipped France early on, so BoE not in the same league.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
No it isn't a privilege to go to a comprehensive, it is just the local school you get allocated by the local authority. It is choice which drives up excellence not state directed allocation, in education as much as the economy.
No everything you achieved did not come from your comprehensive education and that is especially the case for bright children from working class backgrounds whose best chance of progressing is a grammar school or scholarship to a private school or failing that a free school
My best chance of progressing, which I took, was to take advantage of the opportunity of a free education provided to me, by working hard, being diligent, doing the revision and passing my exams.
No privilege. No fast track. No advantage through accident of birth. Just the same opportunity as the vast majority. Some take it. Some choose not to. But it should be open to all. Equally.
It was, even if you didn't have middle class parents who could send you to a good state school in leafy suburbs or pay private school fees, they were called grammar schools
A new law was introduced for vote in the Russian Duma, de-criminalising all potential crimes committed in occupied Ukraine, provided the actions were taken “in the interests of the Russian federation”. The law does not clarify which laws can be violated. https://mobile.twitter.com/MartinKragh1/status/1603483396617154560
Ah, an Enabling Act.
Alternatively -
“It is by my order and for the good of the state that the bearer of this has done what he has done.
“RICHELIEU”
Or the orders to the German army before Operation Barbarossa.
Which ones were you thinking of? The Commando and Commissar Orders?
One of the comic features of the Nazis was that they actually didn’t legalise much of their shit. There was even a brief resistance of certain lawyers who started prosecutions for various acts. Rapidly closed down by the Nazis of course.
IIRC the death camps were sited outside Greater Germany, since they intended any deaths that came to light to be “natural causes”. Which might have really, really upset the insurance companies… Nazi Germany was a mix of legalism, demented blood drinking savage anarchy and Monty Python….
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
Certainly I benefitted from going to a Comprehensive. I did well academically obviously, but I think the non-academic side is equally important. I mixed and had friends with a wide variety of kids, far wider than at any private school. That has been very useful in terms of how I approach patients and staff. I learned to argue, drink and debate with people with completely different world views. My dislike of arbitrary authority has those roots too.
Measuring an education purely on the base of academic achievement, is to really devalue the whole process. Education is about much more, it is about answering the only real question "How should we live?"
I always find it interesting to see people describing how wide ranging their social circle and range of experience is.
The assumption of widest experience is often rather like that of being the most intelligent.
Indeed, I would imagine the number of white working class people who voted Leave in 2016 and for Boris in 2019 in Foxy's 'wide social circle' can be counted on one hand!
Wrong! I know quite a few WWC Leavers at work and in my neighbourhood, including my next door neighbour. Quite a few Asian professionals that voted Leave too.
Not everyone lives such a siloed life as you think.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
No it isn't a privilege to go to a comprehensive, it is just the local school you get allocated by the local authority. It is choice which drives up excellence not state directed allocation, in education as much as the economy.
No everything you achieved did not come from your comprehensive education and that is especially the case for bright children from working class backgrounds whose best chance of progressing is a grammar school or scholarship to a private school or failing that a free school
My best chance of progressing, which I took, was to take advantage of the opportunity of a free education provided to me, by working hard, being diligent, doing the revision and passing my exams.
No privilege. No fast track. No advantage through accident of birth. Just the same opportunity as the vast majority. Some take it. Some choose not to. But it should be open to all. Equally.
It was, even if you didn't have middle class parents, they were called grammar schools
Don't be soft. It is the offspring of parents who can pay for the private tuition to coach said sprogs through the eleven plus who get into the grammars. It is not a level playing field.
Full disclosure: That's how my two nieces got into a grammar school.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Some state schools still are and still value learning eg the few remaining grammar schools and a few of the top outstanding faith schools and some academies like Mossbourne and free schools like Michaela Community School.
However Labour are not great fans of the former and the left not even fans of the latter
Every time I have ever got involved with the state I got fucked over. The left love it I know but if all they ever do is fuck you then you learn to avoid them
People treat you as you treat them in my experience.
I hardly ever spoke to anyone let alone be violent. Fuck you for blaming the victim here. Pointless talking to anyone as they ignored me. Till I hit 15 I was small for my age so pointless being violent as would get shat on
Physical violence is not the only way of treating people badly, as you demonstrate so well in your reply.
I treated you badly by saying you were blaming me for my treatment by peers?
No, I don't blame you for that.
What I meant is that carrying those wounds into adult life is only hurting yourself more. A shit childhood like you describe is certainly a bad start in life, but acting aggressively to everyone as a response is no way to escape. It is just a retreat back into that cage.
a lot of my posts are not aggressive. I am agressive when people assert shit that isnt true such as state schools are all rainbows and sunshine
People on here are more likely to assert the opposite - fair play to you, you're one of the few people to assert that who has actually set foot in one. Your experience was awful but not typical.
Am I not typical or is it that most people that it was typical for dont post here. In pb most are in the higher stratospheres of society not the sort of people that schools failed. I was able to pull myself up ....many either couldn't or came to believe they couldnt
Is this the end times for PB? Not with a bang, but a whimper? No topics to get people going, a calm, boring PM, a calm, boring leader of the opposition. Nearly Christmas, England and Wales out of the World Cup. Test doesn’t start until Saturday.
Is it time for a thread on AV?
Too many good people banned, too many entertaining voices silenced, too many contrary opinions forbidden
FFS I was banned the other night for suggesting that the eventual Nuremburg Trials for Covid (and there must be such things, 20 million people have died) should be capital trials. That execution should be an option. That is all. I did not say "hang person X" or "lynch doctor Y"
I was banned for merely suggesting that the gravity of the crime demands a grave response, and people on here cheered the banning. And so PB is dying
I didn’t cheer the banning, and I also miss @IshmaelZ.
I am pretty sure he is with us under another guise.
A new law was introduced for vote in the Russian Duma, de-criminalising all potential crimes committed in occupied Ukraine, provided the actions were taken “in the interests of the Russian federation”. The law does not clarify which laws can be violated. https://mobile.twitter.com/MartinKragh1/status/1603483396617154560
Ah, an Enabling Act.
Alternatively -
“It is by my order and for the good of the state that the bearer of this has done what he has done.
“RICHELIEU”
Or the orders to the German army before Operation Barbarossa.
Which ones were you thinking of? The Commando and Commissar Orders?
One of the comic features of the Nazis was that they actually didn’t legalise much of their shit. There was even a brief resistance of certain lawyers who started prosecutions for various acts. Rapidly closed down by the Nazis of course.
IIRC the death camps were sited outside Greater Germany, since they intended any deaths that came to light to be “natural causes”. Which might have really, really upset the insurance companies… Nazi Germany was a mix of legalism, demented blood drinking savage anarchy and Monty Python….
Indeed this lasted until near to the end of the war. For example, Wallenberg walking along deportation trains of Jews to Auschwitz, giving out travel documents to Sweden, which the Nazis then honoured. Alles Richtig.
2 MPC members vote for no rate hike. What planet are they living on?!
Last month I'd have agreed with you, but they [finally] took serious action last month and no time has been given yet to see it through, and inflation has already peaked and is forecast to come down potentially rapidly now.
Petrol is soon going to be recording serious deflation not inflation.
They were very late to start raising rates, but there's a real risk they'll again soon be fighting the last war again.
The problem with that is that the Fed (which also increased rates by 0.5%) was pretty hawkish in doing so yesterday and made it clear that there was more to come. Last month we had a problem because the BoE had fallen behind the curve that the Fed is creating. The risk now is that even although we have matched their increase the perception is that we are still not as focused on bringing inflation down sharply as the Fed is with a consequential weakening of Sterling and (ironically) more inflation from dollar rated products.
For a lot of reasons we need to get back to real interest rates. 3.5% when inflation is at 10.7% is frankly absurdly low and we need to fix this as fast as the economy can bear.
If today's inflation rate were to be sustained over the medium term then absolutely we would need to fix that, but the forecast is for us to have less than 2% inflation within 12 months. So real interest rates will be positive (for the first time in 16 years) within a year even with rates as they are. Unless the ECB have got its forecasts terribly wrong.
Unleaded is now down to 147.9 where I am and is trending down. That is very close to the same price as Jan 22, significantly cheaper than Feb 22 and lots cheaper than Mar 22 onwards.
Unless oil spikes back upwards it seems reasonable to believe that Unleaded at the least will be deflationary rather than inflationary in the national statistics for Q1 2023 and almost every commodity ought to be deflationary for Q2 2023.
The Bank has a duty to look forwards and not just fight the last war. I doubt they will properly though.
“the forecast is for us to have less than 2% inflation within 12 months”
Whose forecasting that?
The Bank of England.
If they believe that, then that should inform the MPC voting.
If they don't believe that, why the hell are they saying it?
The LPM official CPI forecast at Dec 2023 is 5% and for Dec 2024 and Dec 2025 is 3% and 2% respectively.
A 3 year forecast for 2%? How wide are their error bars?
In any case, interest rates can always come down in a year or two's time.
LPM is me! So the error bars could be quite wide!
Yes interest rates to peak at 4% and to start to come down early 2024 (another LPM forecast could be wrong!)
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
It's quite interesting that our friend Northern_Al doesn't see kids being taken out of their school, away from their friends and dumped in whatever school the postcode lottery deems fit, as suffering.
Quite the chip on the shoulder there.
Don't think northern_al has a chip on his shoulder....just think his experience was different to mine. Some are lucky and go to good state schools...some arent and end up in schools where the parents dont value education and the teachers expect nothing of their pupils...I just had the latter experience
I think I ''came through" secondary school rather than anything positive. I was deeply interesting in 3D trig during 5th year and when I asked my maths teacher for help he just said "Oh, you do that at university" and walked off. I was sent out of class in English for knowing the right answer about a George Orwell question (amusingly - then answered incorrectly by another pupil and the teacher then gave my answer in an authoritative tone), etc.
I was also failed on my computing class for writing an essay on raytraycing - the teacher said it didn't exist and failed me despite me having written the maths out and the code for a basic system
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
No it isn't a privilege to go to a comprehensive, it is just the local school you get allocated by the local authority. It is choice which drives up excellence not state directed allocation, in education as much as the economy.
No everything you achieved did not come from your comprehensive education and that is especially the case for bright children from working class backgrounds whose best chance of progressing is a grammar school or scholarship to a private school or failing that a free school
My best chance of progressing, which I took, was to take advantage of the opportunity of a free education provided to me, by working hard, being diligent, doing the revision and passing my exams.
No privilege. No fast track. No advantage through accident of birth. Just the same opportunity as the vast majority. Some take it. Some choose not to. But it should be open to all. Equally.
It was, even if you didn't have middle class parents, they were called grammar schools
Don't be soft. It is the offspring of parents who can pay for the private tuition to coach said sprogs through the eleven plus who get into the grammars. It is not a level playing field.
Full disclosure: That's how my two nieces got into a grammar school.
Rubbish. There are far more people from working class backgrounds who get into top universities and top professions from grammars than from the failing local comprehensive down the road.
If you grow up in a poor northern or Midlands or Welsh ex industrial town or inner city or a poor seaside town you are far more likely to get on in a grammar school if you are bright than the local comprehensive. Bright working class pupils do better in grammars than comprehensives https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/working-class-pupils-do-better-at-grammars-phzzhwtj6vp
FPT @Leon : You said 'But your objection, at the time, was that I'd mistitled him. Which, as we see, I did not. I do not recall you making any other cogent or interesting point, but then that is entirely normal and to be expected"
Well the post is there for us all to see so I don't know why you are making stuff up.
a) You did mis-title him. The fact that you can post such blatant lies when we can all see it is a mystery and picked up at the time by others.
b) That also wasn't my main point, although you are trying hard to make it so. I did mention it as an obvious inaccuracy, but before that I posted the link to the EcoHealth web site page rebuttal which has nothing about his job title whatsoever so what in your mind was the reason for me doing that then? Could it have anything to do with the fact that their version contradicted all of yours I wonder. Or are you trying to pretend that part of my post wasn't there and make it about a trivial job title and therefore a storm in a teacup.
Now I don't know who is right, but rather than spout stuff from Fox News how about dismantling EcoHealth's rebuttal, then I might take you seriously.
How the hell you have the brass neck to claim you got the job title right is beyond me. Co-head is the guy in charge. Associate Vice President could be the guy just above is the guy that does the photocopying. Have you met many executives from American Corporations?
You tragic fucks
So lost the argument then. It was a bit silly lying when we can all see it.
Now how about doing the obvious thing and show where the EcoHeath rebuttal is inaccurate, then we might take notice of your posts. For all I know it is rubbish, but until you discredit it why should we believe you rather than them?
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
It's quite interesting that our friend Northern_Al doesn't see kids being taken out of their school, away from their friends and dumped in whatever school the postcode lottery deems fit, as suffering.
Quite the chip on the shoulder there.
Don't think northern_al has a chip on his shoulder....just think his experience was different to mine. Some are lucky and go to good state schools...some arent and end up in schools where the parents dont value education and the teachers expect nothing of their pupils...I just had the latter experience
I think I ''came through" secondary school rather than anything positive. I was deeply interesting in 3D trig during 5th year and when I asked my maths teacher for help he just said "Oh, you do that at university" and walked off. I was send of out class in English for knowing the right answer about a George Orwell question (amusingly - then answered incorrectly by another pupil and the teacher then gave my answer in an authoritative tone), etc.
I was also failed on my computing class for writing an essay on raytaycing - the teacher said it didn't exist and failed me despite me having written the maths out and the code for a basic system
Love secondary school, I do.
There are certainly great state schools. There does seem a reluctance from some to believe that not all state schools however are great
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
Certainly I benefitted from going to a Comprehensive. I did well academically obviously, but I think the non-academic side is equally important. I mixed and had friends with a wide variety of kids, far wider than at any private school. That has been very useful in terms of how I approach patients and staff. I learned to argue, drink and debate with people with completely different world views. My dislike of arbitrary authority has those roots too.
Measuring an education purely on the base of academic achievement, is to really devalue the whole process. Education is about much more, it is about answering the only real question "How should we live?"
I always find it interesting to see people describing how wide ranging their social circle and range of experience is.
The assumption of widest experience is often rather like that of being the most intelligent.
Early in my career my social circles began to overlap with some of the public school/oxbridge do not talk to oiks set. Always amusing when they asked me what school I went to as if they would have known it.
More than half of Britain’s black police officers and staff suffered racial incidents from colleagues in the past year, a survey has found.
Those affected were much more likely to feel like outsiders and to want to leave, and many believed their bosses failed to punish wrongdoers, in effect creating a culture of impunity.
The survey was conducted for the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) as it struggles to address a race crisis facing British policing, with black Britons having less confidence and trust in the service and being less likely to join.
Black officers and staff were asked for their experiences of bullying, discrimination and micro-aggressions, and 1,614 responses were analysed. The survey defined micro-aggressions as “everyday slights, indignities, putdowns and insults”.
One of many crises affecting British policing (I vaguely recall a few PB headers on the subject). Their only saving grace, as an institution (individual officers may still be good), is one out of their hands, that it is harder for them to kill people than in the USA, but that's not much.
A bit more than 'not much'? Jean Charles de Menenez was almost twenty years ago - it's pretty much a daily occurrence in Brazil.
It's not much because, for us, it should be a given that they won't be doing that (well, ideally it should be a given everywhere). They don't get credit for maintaining the status quo which we all expect, especially since their inability to do so is not up to any decisions of their own.
That's not fair. If we just take for granted everything that is going well, then of course its going to be easy to say that it's not much, but that's only because you're in a privileged position to take for granted how good things are.
As for decisions of their own ... its certainly possible to kill suspects with batons or other weapons that our cops do have, or even unarmed by kneeling on their neck or other methods.
That our cops don't do that is to their credit. They do get many things wrong, and we should acknowledge that, but we should also give credit where it is due.
I disagree completely. I don't take the good bits for granted, we have to constantly reinforce the good bits, but it's no defence of general ineptitude which is the critical point. You're welcome I stabbed you in the hand rather than the neck wouldn't cut me much ice with the police I expect.
We've tried constant praise of the good parts of the police and stepped back from addressing the problems out of worry it signals a lack of support for them. It doesn't work.
No more. Hold them accountable for their failures and don't lionise them for us not living in a violent police state, like that is some accomplishment.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
Certainly I benefitted from going to a Comprehensive. I did well academically obviously, but I think the non-academic side is equally important. I mixed and had friends with a wide variety of kids, far wider than at any private school. That has been very useful in terms of how I approach patients and staff. I learned to argue, drink and debate with people with completely different world views. My dislike of arbitrary authority has those roots too.
Measuring an education purely on the base of academic achievement, is to really devalue the whole process. Education is about much more, it is about answering the only real question "How should we live?"
I always find it interesting to see people describing how wide ranging their social circle and range of experience is.
The assumption of widest experience is often rather like that of being the most intelligent.
In part it is the nature of my job. I have patients who are doing life for murder, and Lords of the realm. Refugees and factory workers, lawyers and professional sports people. Machinists and social workers, and those who are too mentally ill to ever work. The rich tapestry of humanity is one of the pleasures of the job.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
No it isn't a privilege to go to a comprehensive, it is just the local school you get allocated by the local authority. It is choice which drives up excellence not state directed allocation, in education as much as the economy.
No everything you achieved did not come from your comprehensive education and that is especially the case for bright children from working class backgrounds whose best chance of progressing is a grammar school or scholarship to a private school or failing that a free school
My best chance of progressing, which I took, was to take advantage of the opportunity of a free education provided to me, by working hard, being diligent, doing the revision and passing my exams.
No privilege. No fast track. No advantage through accident of birth. Just the same opportunity as the vast majority. Some take it. Some choose not to. But it should be open to all. Equally.
It was, even if you didn't have middle class parents, they were called grammar schools
Don't be soft. It is the offspring of parents who can pay for the private tuition to coach said sprogs through the eleven plus who get into the grammars. It is not a level playing field.
Full disclosure: That's how my two nieces got into a grammar school.
Rubbish. There are far more people from working class backgrounds who get into top universities and top professions from grammars than from the failing local comprehensive.
Well of course they fucking do in a two tier system.
You might as well say more clever kids than remedials.
I think at some point in 2023 we're going to see a Tory lead. But maybe just one or two outliers.
I don't
Fancy a bet?
£20 says there won't be a Tory lead in any of the BPC polls, before midnight Dec 31st, 2022?
This is a singularly ungenerous bet!
I meant 2023 - end of next year - obvs
I thought you were being rather nice to give away free money. I was going to ask if I could have some.
Did Blair suffer any polling deficits from 1994-1997?
Hardly any, as I recall,
We are in that situation again. It will need a huge black swan to give the Tories a lead. Not impossible, but there is not a 50% chance, which makes this a decent bet at evens
Oh yeah, I'm definitely giving you a good deal at evens.
Ta
I'm genuinely curious, did Blair ever fall behind in the polls, from 94-97? I seem to recall one brief episode, but maybe I am imagining it
I think there may have been one or two, but I Starmer is no Blair and we live in very erratic times.
Of course Starmer isn't Blair; he's not a posh public schoolboy.
Hopefully should he prevail, he won't become a war criminal either. That was my big plus for Johnson. He wasn't a war criminal. I suppose there is always the prospect that during his second coming he can chalk up that label.
I'm no fan of Labour, or Blair, but calling him a war criminal is absurd.
We see war crimes in the real world, in Ukraine today with the deliberate and systematic targeting of civilians and the sanctioned rape, mass murder and abuse. That is a war crime.
What happened in Iraq was war, not a war crime. Calling every act of war a war crime completely devalues and demean the words.
It was an illegal war without UN approval. It was justified on a false premise and we secured regime change and the execution of Sadam.
No it was not and could not be. The UN authorised the use of force against Iraq when they invaded Kuwait and no peace treaty was ever signed from that.
There was a ceasefire which led to certain obligations on Iraq regarding WMDs and cooperation, obligations they violated thus violating the ceasefire. So the war resumed.
The UN explicitly authorised the use of force against Iraq, one of the only times it did, and never rescinded that authorisation (which is how the No Fly Zone was in place) so that authorisation continued.
If you're in a state of ceasefire, dicking around with that ceasefire is either a brave or fatally stupid thing to do. For Saddam it was the latter.
Opposing the war is perfectly valid if you want to do it, but don't overegg it. It was not illegal.
I think illegal and illegal in that context seems pretty meaningless. Russia for example would claim all it's actions are legal I expect, no matter what anyone else says.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
No it isn't a privilege to go to a comprehensive, it is just the local school you get allocated by the local authority. It is choice which drives up excellence not state directed allocation, in education as much as the economy.
No everything you achieved did not come from your comprehensive education and that is especially the case for bright children from working class backgrounds whose best chance of progressing is a grammar school or scholarship to a private school or failing that a free school
My best chance of progressing, which I took, was to take advantage of the opportunity of a free education provided to me, by working hard, being diligent, doing the revision and passing my exams.
No privilege. No fast track. No advantage through accident of birth. Just the same opportunity as the vast majority. Some take it. Some choose not to. But it should be open to all. Equally.
It was, even if you didn't have middle class parents, they were called grammar schools
Don't be soft. It is the offspring of parents who can pay for the private tuition to coach said sprogs through the eleven plus who get into the grammars. It is not a level playing field.
Full disclosure: That's how my two nieces got into a grammar school.
Rubbish. There are far more people from working class backgrounds who get into top universities and top professions from grammars than from the failing local comprehensive.
Well of course they fucking do in a two tier system.
You might as well say more clever kids than remedials.
I'm going to bed.
Personally I would reintroduce selection England wide as in Northern Ireland still, then all working class pupils would have the chance of a grammar school place. The rest could go to proper technical or vocational style schools. There would be no comprehensives left.
I recognise that is a minority view now and will likely never happen but I would certainly hope to expand choice
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
Certainly I benefitted from going to a Comprehensive. I did well academically obviously, but I think the non-academic side is equally important. I mixed and had friends with a wide variety of kids, far wider than at any private school. That has been very useful in terms of how I approach patients and staff. I learned to argue, drink and debate with people with completely different world views. My dislike of arbitrary authority has those roots too.
Measuring an education purely on the base of academic achievement, is to really devalue the whole process. Education is about much more, it is about answering the only real question "How should we live?"
I always find it interesting to see people describing how wide ranging their social circle and range of experience is.
The assumption of widest experience is often rather like that of being the most intelligent.
In part it is the nature of my job. I have patients who are doing life for murder, and Lords of the realm. Refugees and factory workers, lawyers and professional sports people. Machinists and social workers, and those who are too mentally ill to ever work. The rich tapestry of humanity is one of the pleasures of the job.
Has it not occurred to you that meeting them when treating them is a whole different experience to meeting them outside a treatment room
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
Certainly I benefitted from going to a Comprehensive. I did well academically obviously, but I think the non-academic side is equally important. I mixed and had friends with a wide variety of kids, far wider than at any private school. That has been very useful in terms of how I approach patients and staff. I learned to argue, drink and debate with people with completely different world views. My dislike of arbitrary authority has those roots too.
Measuring an education purely on the base of academic achievement, is to really devalue the whole process. Education is about much more, it is about answering the only real question "How should we live?"
Education is about academic achievement. If you want to see the real world sending your teenage or student children to work in a summer in a factory or shopfloor is far more likely to expose them to that then just sending them to the equally largely middle class outstanding state school down the road
No it's not. Education should be measured on value added.
By the grammatical and punctuation quality of that post you would have benefited from a top quality comprehensive education.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
Certainly I benefitted from going to a Comprehensive. I did well academically obviously, but I think the non-academic side is equally important. I mixed and had friends with a wide variety of kids, far wider than at any private school. That has been very useful in terms of how I approach patients and staff. I learned to argue, drink and debate with people with completely different world views. My dislike of arbitrary authority has those roots too.
Measuring an education purely on the base of academic achievement, is to really devalue the whole process. Education is about much more, it is about answering the only real question "How should we live?"
I always find it interesting to see people describing how wide ranging their social circle and range of experience is.
The assumption of widest experience is often rather like that of being the most intelligent.
In part it is the nature of my job. I have patients who are doing life for murder, and Lords of the realm. Refugees and factory workers, lawyers and professional sports people. Machinists and social workers, and those who are too mentally ill to ever work. The rich tapestry of humanity is one of the pleasures of the job.
I did my A-levels in a class with one chap who had attended Winchester (the school) and one who had attended Winchester the er… state boarding facility…
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
Certainly I benefitted from going to a Comprehensive. I did well academically obviously, but I think the non-academic side is equally important. I mixed and had friends with a wide variety of kids, far wider than at any private school. That has been very useful in terms of how I approach patients and staff. I learned to argue, drink and debate with people with completely different world views. My dislike of arbitrary authority has those roots too.
Measuring an education purely on the base of academic achievement, is to really devalue the whole process. Education is about much more, it is about answering the only real question "How should we live?"
Education is about academic achievement. If you want to see the real world sending your teenage or student children to work in a summer in a factory or shopfloor is far more likely to expose them to that then just sending them to the equally largely middle class outstanding state school down the road
No it's not. Education should be measured on value added.
By the grammatical and punctuation quality of that post you would have benefited from a top quality comprehensive education.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Some state schools still are and still value learning eg the few remaining grammar schools and a few of the top outstanding faith schools and some academies like Mossbourne and free schools like Michaela Community School.
However Labour are not great fans of the former and the left not even fans of the latter
Every time I have ever got involved with the state I got fucked over. The left love it I know but if all they ever do is fuck you then you learn to avoid them
People treat you as you treat them in my experience.
I hardly ever spoke to anyone let alone be violent. Fuck you for blaming the victim here. Pointless talking to anyone as they ignored me. Till I hit 15 I was small for my age so pointless being violent as would get shat on
Physical violence is not the only way of treating people badly, as you demonstrate so well in your reply.
I treated you badly by saying you were blaming me for my treatment by peers?
No, I don't blame you for that.
What I meant is that carrying those wounds into adult life is only hurting yourself more. A shit childhood like you describe is certainly a bad start in life, but acting aggressively to everyone as a response is no way to escape. It is just a retreat back into that cage.
a lot of my posts are not aggressive. I am agressive when people assert shit that isnt true such as state schools are all rainbows and sunshine
People on here are more likely to assert the opposite - fair play to you, you're one of the few people to assert that who has actually set foot in one. Your experience was awful but not typical.
I went to a state school, in NZ.
It was pretty middling, and to be fair it was designed to be a factory for exiting kids into blue collar jobs in a blue collar suburb.
They did an OK job of that, I guess, but personally I was under encouraged and under stimulated. There was no real experience of professional jobs, going on to medical school (for example) was considered some kind of impossible holy grail.
I have no regrets, largely because I don’t think it healthy, but I’ve sent my kids private. I don’t personally have any ethical issues in doing so, I merely want for kids what I didn’t have.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
Certainly I benefitted from going to a Comprehensive. I did well academically obviously, but I think the non-academic side is equally important. I mixed and had friends with a wide variety of kids, far wider than at any private school. That has been very useful in terms of how I approach patients and staff. I learned to argue, drink and debate with people with completely different world views. My dislike of arbitrary authority has those roots too.
Measuring an education purely on the base of academic achievement, is to really devalue the whole process. Education is about much more, it is about answering the only real question "How should we live?"
I always find it interesting to see people describing how wide ranging their social circle and range of experience is.
The assumption of widest experience is often rather like that of being the most intelligent.
My social circle appears to consist primarily of anti social nerds with an inflated view of their sense of humour.
I cannot think how I ended up with such a bunch of loners and losers.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Some state schools still are and still value learning eg the few remaining grammar schools and a few of the top outstanding faith schools and some academies like Mossbourne and free schools like Michaela Community School.
However Labour are not great fans of the former and the left not even fans of the latter
Every time I have ever got involved with the state I got fucked over. The left love it I know but if all they ever do is fuck you then you learn to avoid them
People treat you as you treat them in my experience.
I hardly ever spoke to anyone let alone be violent. Fuck you for blaming the victim here. Pointless talking to anyone as they ignored me. Till I hit 15 I was small for my age so pointless being violent as would get shat on
Physical violence is not the only way of treating people badly, as you demonstrate so well in your reply.
I treated you badly by saying you were blaming me for my treatment by peers?
No, I don't blame you for that.
What I meant is that carrying those wounds into adult life is only hurting yourself more. A shit childhood like you describe is certainly a bad start in life, but acting aggressively to everyone as a response is no way to escape. It is just a retreat back into that cage.
a lot of my posts are not aggressive. I am agressive when people assert shit that isnt true such as state schools are all rainbows and sunshine
People on here are more likely to assert the opposite - fair play to you, you're one of the few people to assert that who has actually set foot in one. Your experience was awful but not typical.
I went to a state school, in NZ.
It was pretty middling, and to be fair it was designed to be a factory for exiting kids into blue collar jobs in a blue collar suburb.
They did an OK job of that, I guess, but personally I was under encouraged and under stimulated. There was no real experience of professional jobs, going on to medical school (for example) was considered some kind of impossible holy grail.
I have no regrets, largely because I don’t think it healthy, but I’ve sent my kids private. I don’t personally have any ethical issues in doing so, I merely want for kids what I didn’t have.
That is part of the problem though with state schools, certainly it was with mine. It was assumed kids would go into farming or fishing so there was no pressing need to educate us particularly and if you aspired to more you were looked at as odd
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
No it isn't a privilege to go to a comprehensive, it is just the local school you get allocated by the local authority. It is choice which drives up excellence not state directed allocation, in education as much as the economy.
No everything you achieved did not come from your comprehensive education and that is especially the case for bright children from working class backgrounds whose best chance of progressing is a grammar school or scholarship to a private school or failing that a free school
My best chance of progressing, which I took, was to take advantage of the opportunity of a free education provided to me, by working hard, being diligent, doing the revision and passing my exams.
No privilege. No fast track. No advantage through accident of birth. Just the same opportunity as the vast majority. Some take it. Some choose not to. But it should be open to all. Equally.
It was, even if you didn't have middle class parents, they were called grammar schools
Don't be soft. It is the offspring of parents who can pay for the private tuition to coach said sprogs through the eleven plus who get into the grammars. It is not a level playing field.
Full disclosure: That's how my two nieces got into a grammar school.
Rubbish. There are far more people from working class backgrounds who get into top universities and top professions from grammars than from the failing local comprehensive.
Well of course they fucking do in a two tier system.
You might as well say more clever kids than remedials.
I'm going to bed.
It’s actually more complex than that. The main point is that certain state schools consistently produce a far greater number of entrants into the top universities than their number or size would suggest. Not grammars, necessarily, IIRC.
Labour still on the slide, I see. Must be their private schools VAT policy - deeply unpopular.
Class war on private schools is something even New Labour did.
Doesn't change the fact it will make private schools even more exclusive, reduce scholarships and bursaries and close smaller private schools
It's noticeable how silent the detractors of private schools are when they're asked for ideas to improve state schools. A clear sign that they're driven by ideological hatred, rather than being focused on achieving the best possible educational outcomes.
Making private education unaffordable will just mean people game the system in other ways, like buying property in a good school catchment area. You can't stop people trying to buy the best for their children - it's just a part of human nature.
Take the top public/boarding schools out of the equation, and most private day schools are full of kids whose parents are on above average, middle class salaries but who are spending a significant portion of their post-tax income to give their kids a better start in life, at considerable cost to their own standard of living. It is those people, and not the mega rich who send their kids to Eton et al, who will suffer the most from Labour's misguided policy.
On your last sentence, you obviously think that to go to a state school is to "suffer". Utter nonsense.
On your first sentence, I (and I'm sure all the other educationalists on here) have absolutely loads of ideas on how to improve state schools further (most are already pretty good). We wouldn't all agree, but as a starting point I suspect even better teaching, improved management, less DfE interference, and smaller class sizes would achieve a pretty high degree of consensus.
I went to a state school....to suffer was an understatement
Reading your negative posts, it sounds as if you are still suffering.
Shrugs going to a state school meant my notes and books were set light to, answering a question in class or showing any interest in class resulted in retribution in the playground or outside school, teachers never gave a shit and were almost as bad as the kids.
So yeah tell me how great state schools are
Sounds pretty shit. Are people really like that in Cornwall?
I went to state schools, all comprehensive, in Birmingham, Atlanta and Hampshire without anything along those lines. Fox Jr went to Leicestershire schools without any issues. Neither of us were bullied etc in class or playground for being clever and getting good results
I never witnessed anything like that at my state school, and I was an annoying swot. Popularity at my school seemed mostly dependent on footballing ability, and many good players were also good at school work (which seems unfair, but that's life).
I think popularity at any school depends on sporting ability and looks and sociability, including my old private school.
However at private schools and grammar schools and a few outstanding state schools classes tend to be less disrupted than at the average comprehensive with teachers having to spend less time on crowd control and pupils more ambitious to learn
For someone who has probably never set foot in a comprehensive school you are quite the expert.
How do you know I have never set foot in one? I did at one time consider being a teacher before moving on. The crowd control issue in the average comprehensive is clearly much more of an issue than in most private or grammar schools and certainly pre sixth form. My cousins also went to comprehensives.
Your every post on this topic is dripping in condescension and bathed in ignorance. It's a privilege to go to a comprehensive. Everything I've achieved in life came from that experience. I would never deny it to my children.
Certainly I benefitted from going to a Comprehensive. I did well academically obviously, but I think the non-academic side is equally important. I mixed and had friends with a wide variety of kids, far wider than at any private school. That has been very useful in terms of how I approach patients and staff. I learned to argue, drink and debate with people with completely different world views. My dislike of arbitrary authority has those roots too.
Measuring an education purely on the base of academic achievement, is to really devalue the whole process. Education is about much more, it is about answering the only real question "How should we live?"
Education is about academic achievement. If you want to see the real world sending your teenage or student children to work in a summer in a factory or shopfloor is far more likely to expose them to that then just sending them to the equally largely middle class outstanding state school down the road
No it's not. Education should be measured on value added.
By the grammatical and punctuation quality of that post you would have benefited from a top quality comprehensive education.
Care to define value added?
Happy to oblige
If someone arrives at secondary school unable to read, yet five years later they are writing decent quality prose, that is a phenomenal result.
A student arriving at Grammar school aged 11 with an expectation of 10 A* when they subsequently only achieve 4A* and 6As, not so much.
On HY's metric student 1 has been failed whilst student 2 has succeeded.
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The current Ukraine war does indeed date back years. The conflict was frozen, but Russia invaded Ukraine years ago and the fact the battle lines were frozen for a few years doesn't make this a totally new conflict.
They were opinionated and cranky, quirky and ornery, and often fascinating and well informed (at their best, they could also be gits). Sometimes when the flightier types arrived for the pub quiz or a football game, the regs would spit bile at the glory hunters and the fly by nights, but these drunk people kept the pub going. Even if they were occasionally bigoted or prone to Holocaust denial or simply liked singing IRA songs too loud or playing darts with flaming arrows
They WERE the pub. They have slowly been banned or edged out. The slot machine chings, with no one to play
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Latif_Rashid
Like LD's on Brexit.
NOTA is a stronger factor IMHO. Lefties to Green, Righties to Reform/UKIP/ whatever, grumpy Centrists to LD.
https://www.kantarpublic.com/inspiration/thought-leadership/over-two-thirds-of-britons-are-concerned-that-they-will-not-be-able-to-afford-to-keep-their-homes-warm-this-winter
https://twitter.com/BrexitPirates/status/1600827391320141824/photo/1
There's many ways to look at it but as a simple matter of fact the use of force was authorised by the UN and that authorisation was never rescinded. So it can not be a crime by the illegal use of force, since that authority still existed and would unless we and America voted to forbid it, which of course America at least could and would have vetoed.
On election day I expect most of the Green vote to go Labour and most of the REFUK vote to go Con, with little net impact on the Lab lead over Con.
But in mid term opinion polls it's a NOTA and a protest IMHO.
No everything you achieved did not come from your comprehensive education and that is especially the case for bright children from working class backgrounds whose best chance of progressing is a grammar school or scholarship to a private school or failing that a free school
Whose forecasting that?
I wrote this on December 4th - "Re the resignation of the Head of the IOPC, nothing surprises me anymore about the police.
I applied to be on their governing Board a couple of years ago. Unsurprisingly this went nowhere.
Most of these bodies are created to provide jobs for all the useless senior policemen they want to kick upstairs. I did one investigation involving a former Head of a force in the Lords who was flogging access to dodgy Russians and fronting up their dubious companies."
Still. Look on the bright side - there will be plenty of material for headers on rotten police culture for years to come.Yay!
In the meanwhile, the latest police scandal caused by unnecessary and unmanaged conflicts of interest is discussed here - https://www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2022/12/15/conflicts-of-interest/.
Do they deserve a good education or not?
Do you think the expansion of "choice" over the past decade has driven up standards or not?
If so why?
If not why?
Please confine your answers to the State sector, which will always be where the vast majority attend.
There is no legal requirement to get new authorisation if you already have it. And having issued it the USA could veto any motion to rescind that authorisation once issued.
Choice has vastly improved state education too, see success stories like Mossbourne Academy, outside of LEA control and founded by businessman Sir Clive Bourne. Or the excellent Michaela Free School started by Katharine Birbalsingh and focused on strict discipline and academic subjects and getting its pupils into top universities
You didn't see my edited post.
What about those whose parents can't afford it?
The Peripheral (on Amazon) is quite fun.
Measuring an education purely on the base of academic achievement, is to really devalue the whole process. Education is about much more, it is about answering the only real question "How should we live?"
Trump’s “major announcement” is….the release of Trump digital trading cards
https://mobile.twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1603420473206923269
It's amusing how nobody says Blair and Bill Clinton are war criminals due to Kosovo. Or Blair for Sierra Leone.
And @turbotubbs while the use of force to get better results or democracy has had a mixed record, the lack of the use of force has also had a very tarnished record too. For example the Balkans.
So ......
The person in question is a member of the New Upper 10,000
Membership includes the divine right to a better job after each chronic failure.
The poster child for this is Charlie Prince. After crashing Citibank in spectacular style, during the Financial Crisis, be bitterly complained of his obviously unreasonable treatment. He received only $91 million settlement and the job offers he received were not in accord with his stature…
It was hard not to sympathise with poor Sharon Shoesmith - she was *so* convinced that she had reached the Magic Circle.
Pupils with no special needs and attentive parents can get good results even without the teachers help. Good discipline helps those who are struggling the most.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MartinKragh1/status/1603483396617154560
I have kinda stopped half way through Peripheral. Maybe it didn’t grab me, or maybe I’m just been a bit busy.
Only a week to go for Glass onion on Netflix. 🙂 White Noise interests me too.
A question. Who do you think the disruptive pupils are?
If they believe that, then that should inform the MPC voting.
If they don't believe that, why the hell are they saying it?
What I meant is that carrying those wounds into adult life is only hurting yourself more. A shit childhood like you describe is certainly a bad start in life, but acting aggressively to everyone as a response is no way to escape. It is just a retreat back into that cage.
Alternatively -
“It is by my order and for the good of the state that the bearer of this has done what he has done.
“RICHELIEU”
Almost no one had heard of ChatGPT. And this wasn't me prowling around bothering people for answers, the question went around, a few had an inkling, no one had tried it
Remarkable
The assumption of widest experience is often rather like that of being the most intelligent.
In any case, interest rates can always come down in a year or two's time.
No privilege. No fast track. No advantage through accident of birth. Just the same opportunity as the vast majority. Some take it. Some choose not to. But it should be open to all. Equally.
You're in the wrong job then.
Come and do a week and enlighten us.
Please.
It'll be minimum wage, but you're worth it.
What I get from Bank of England is 2% in medium term, not 1 year, steady decline in inflation in spring, quicker second half of next year, but not getting to 2% because of current and anticipated private sector wage growth.
https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy-summary-and-minutes/2022/december-2022
https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/letter/2022/december/governor-cpi-letter-december-2022.pdf?la=en&hash=FCC33828F7B90C033CD4F5C22732078DA40AC333
One of the comic features of the Nazis was that they actually didn’t legalise much of their shit. There was even a brief resistance of certain lawyers who started prosecutions for various acts. Rapidly closed down by the Nazis of course.
IIRC the death camps were sited outside Greater Germany, since they intended any deaths that came to light to be “natural causes”. Which might have really, really upset the insurance companies… Nazi Germany was a mix of legalism, demented blood drinking savage anarchy and Monty Python….
Not everyone lives such a siloed life as you think.
Full disclosure: That's how my two nieces got into a grammar school.
Yes interest rates to peak at 4% and to start to come down early 2024 (another LPM forecast could be wrong!)
I was also failed on my computing class for writing an essay on raytraycing - the teacher said it didn't exist and failed me despite me having written the maths out and the code for a basic system
Love secondary school, I do.
If you grow up in a poor northern or Midlands or Welsh ex industrial town or inner city or a poor seaside town you are far more likely to get on in a grammar school if you are bright than the local comprehensive. Bright working class pupils do better in grammars than comprehensives
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/working-class-pupils-do-better-at-grammars-phzzhwtj6vp
So we can't do that because some folk can't afford private schools.
Now how about doing the obvious thing and show where the EcoHeath rebuttal is inaccurate, then we might take notice of your posts. For all I know it is rubbish, but until you discredit it why should we believe you rather than them?
We've tried constant praise of the good parts of the police and stepped back from addressing the problems out of worry it signals a lack of support for them. It doesn't work.
No more. Hold them accountable for their failures and don't lionise them for us not living in a violent police state, like that is some accomplishment.
You might as well say more clever kids than remedials.
I'm going to bed.
says.
I recognise that is a minority view now and will likely never happen but I would certainly hope to expand choice
By the grammatical and punctuation quality of that post you would have benefited from a top quality comprehensive education.
I know Americans like success more than Brits, but that's just lame.
It was pretty middling, and to be fair it was designed to be a factory for exiting kids into blue collar jobs in a blue collar suburb.
They did an OK job of that, I guess, but personally I was under encouraged and under stimulated. There was no real experience of professional jobs, going on to medical school (for example) was considered some kind of impossible holy grail.
I have no regrets, largely because I don’t think it healthy, but I’ve sent my kids private. I don’t personally have any ethical issues in doing so, I merely want for kids what I didn’t have.
I cannot think how I ended up with such a bunch of loners and losers.
If someone arrives at secondary school unable to read, yet five years later they are writing decent quality prose, that is a phenomenal result.
A student arriving at Grammar school aged 11 with an expectation of 10 A* when they subsequently only achieve 4A* and 6As, not so much.
On HY's metric student 1 has been failed whilst student 2 has succeeded.