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  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    I asked ChatGPT to rewrite the Lord’s Prayer so it explains quantum physics





    I then asked it to write a Shakespeare sonnet about internet porn




    Not brilliant. But it produced both in 3-5 seconds. This stuff is getting scary

    The final two lines of the sonnet, albeit imperfect, are excellent
  • eekeek Posts: 28,592
    edited December 2022
    Nigelb said:

    Stocky said:

    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    Stocky said:

    On private schools, how about this for a thought experiment (which I routinely dredge up when the subject is raised).

    Image a (lucky) couple have £250k in savings which they have resolved to provide exclusively for their child. There are two options:

    1) pay for school fees. At the end of the child's A Levels the £250k has gone
    2) send to a state school. At the end of the child's A Levels the £250k (plus growth) is still there and child can use it for, say, house deposit, car, pension contribution, ISA, emergencies, etc.

    If you were the child, which option would you want your parent to choose?

    I disagree with Mrs Stocky on this. She says 1) and I say 2).

    It's certainly an interesting question. But you also have to consider the alternative schooling options available.
    It also depends on the child, and their planned career choices. Marginal gains at A-Level, and private school swagger (much though I despise it) could be the difference that gets them up the greasy pole in a large law firm. Less relevant if that’s not their thing.
    If I had kids, the last thing I'd want them to have is "swagger".

    Oh I agree. As I say, I despise it. But that cocky swagger is half of what private schooling delivers.
    I hate to think what I'd be like if my parents had sent me to private school, and I'd been given another layer of "cocky swagger"

    Dead at 21 probably. I made a good go of it, as is
    You didn't go to a private school?
    Nope. Bog standard comp
    Same here. At break they used to shut the first year in the fenced play area (aka the monkey cage) to protect them from older pupils.

    Did you go on the study English? Just interested.
    My provincial west-of-England school wasn't particularly rough (tho there were a few fights), it was decidedly average educationally

    However there was an excellent VI Form College across the playing fields, to which I fled eagerly (and had a great time with the new freedom - we used to go the pub at lunchtime, imagine). I then went on to do Philosophy at UCL (a total blast)

    I had the benefit of an intellectual atmos at home. Lots of books. Also I was fiercely competitive, and desperate to escape my boring hometown and get to London. Uni was the best way
    We both went to state schools yet our experience couldn't be more different. My parents didn't have a clue. I hated school and spent most of the time with my head down trying to avoid potential conflict or embarrassment. Bullying was everywhere. It was common for fights to break out in the playground, often sprouting from a game called British Bulldog. Teachers would intervene but not immediately. I think it was entertainment for them - perhaps they placed bets?

    It was a great sigh of relief when I left at 16. The year group comprised about 240 boys (a boys comprehensive school). I'd say fewer than 20 stayed on to Sixth Form. Perhaps 8-10 went on to university.

    My studying came long after leaving school. Now have three degrees/degree equivalent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Bulldog_(game)
    Yes, remember that well. My technique was to wait until action broke out in the middle and then ghost down the side with the grace of a cat.
    My technique was to hide somewhere and hope no one noticed.
    I spent every games afternoon in the school library. The chances of anyone else using it were slim to none, so it was an excellent refuge.
    Games even in six form was compulsary.

    Which meant I would do Cross County, do the part of the route that went past my house - go in (with mates) for Coffee and then join everyone else on their final lap.

    By Upper Six it was agreed by everyone involved to ignore my complete absence and stop the charade.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    FOR THOUGH THE INTERNET DOTH OFFER JOYS
    WE MUST NOT LET IT CONSUME US, BOYS


    I think everyone on PB could learn from that. And it was written by a machine
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,723

    kinabalu said:

    Stocky said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    Leon said:

    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    Stocky said:

    On private schools, how about this for a thought experiment (which I routinely dredge up when the subject is raised).

    Image a (lucky) couple have £250k in savings which they have resolved to provide exclusively for their child. There are two options:

    1) pay for school fees. At the end of the child's A Levels the £250k has gone
    2) send to a state school. At the end of the child's A Levels the £250k (plus growth) is still there and child can use it for, say, house deposit, car, pension contribution, ISA, emergencies, etc.

    If you were the child, which option would you want your parent to choose?

    I disagree with Mrs Stocky on this. She says 1) and I say 2).

    It's certainly an interesting question. But you also have to consider the alternative schooling options available.
    It also depends on the child, and their planned career choices. Marginal gains at A-Level, and private school swagger (much though I despise it) could be the difference that gets them up the greasy pole in a large law firm. Less relevant if that’s not their thing.
    If I had kids, the last thing I'd want them to have is "swagger".

    Oh I agree. As I say, I despise it. But that cocky swagger is half of what private schooling delivers.
    I hate to think what I'd be like if my parents had sent me to private school, and I'd been given another layer of "cocky swagger"

    Dead at 21 probably. I made a good go of it, as is
    You didn't go to a private school?
    Nope. Bog standard comp
    Same here. At break they used to shut the first year in the fenced play area (aka the monkey cage) to protect them from older pupils.

    Did you go on the study English? Just interested.
    My provincial west-of-England school wasn't particularly rough (tho there were a few fights), it was decidedly average educationally

    However there was an excellent VI Form College across the playing fields, to which I fled eagerly (and had a great time with the new freedom - we used to go the pub at lunchtime, imagine). I then went on to do Philosophy at UCL (a total blast)

    I had the benefit of an intellectual atmos at home. Lots of books. Also I was fiercely competitive, and desperate to escape my boring hometown and get to London. Uni was the best way
    We both went to state schools yet our experience couldn't be more different. My parents didn't have a clue. I hated school and spent most of the time with my head down trying to avoid potential conflict or embarrassment. Bullying was everywhere. It was common for fights to break out in the playground, often sprouting from a game called British Bulldog. Teachers would intervene but not immediately. I think it was entertainment for them - perhaps they placed bets?

    It was a great sigh of relief when I left at 16. The year group comprised about 240 boys (a boys comprehensive school). I'd say fewer than 20 stayed on to Sixth Form. Perhaps 8-10 went on to university.

    My studying came long after leaving school. Now have three degrees/degree equivalent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Bulldog_(game)
    Yes, remember that well. My technique was to wait until action broke out in the middle and then ghost down the side with the grace of a cat.
    We used to play bulldog in the gym in PE lessons. I remember when one lad was so keen to reach the other end of the gym that he ran full pelt into the wall and broke his arm.
    Those were the days.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,723
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1598675028966531074?t=ctfLeQARzDj5J4RDjfkCxw&s=19

    Lab on 459, Con on 101 before tactical voting.

    Lab Maj looks like value, and Lab most seats surely nailed on.

    The average polling similar to 2008 polls predicting a Cameron landslide, it ended up a hung parliament in 2010
    You'd be just a teeny bit heartened by Chester, am I right?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059
    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1598675028966531074?t=ctfLeQARzDj5J4RDjfkCxw&s=19

    Lab on 459, Con on 101 before tactical voting.

    Lab Maj looks like value, and Lab most seats surely nailed on.

    The average polling similar to 2008 polls predicting a Cameron landslide, it ended up a hung parliament in 2010
    You'd be just a teeny bit heartened by Chester, am I right?
    Lower swing than Yougov has yes
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929
    Leon said:

    I asked ChatGPT to rewrite the Lord’s Prayer so it explains quantum physics





    I then asked it to write a Shakespeare sonnet about internet porn




    Not brilliant. But it produced both in 3-5 seconds. This stuff is getting scary

    The final two lines of the sonnet, albeit imperfect, are excellent

    Have you come across a decent joke yet?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,225
    Leon said:

    FOR THOUGH THE INTERNET DOTH OFFER JOYS
    WE MUST NOT LET IT CONSUME US, BOYS


    I think everyone on PB could learn from that. And it was written by a machine

    One thing AI really seems to excel at is “in the style of”. True it seems of writing as much as art.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,988

    HYUFD said:

    Indonesia to make sex before marriage illegal

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-63838213

    There goes Bali's tourist industry.
    Only if you're reported:

    The law, if passed, would apply to Indonesian citizens and foreigners alike.

    Punishment for adultery can only take effect if there are parties who lodge complaints to the authorities.

    For those who are married, the party entitled to lodge a complaint is the perpetrator's husband or wife.

    The law also allows the parents of unmarried people to report them for having sex.


    This crops up every couple of years then quietly gets shelved - usually after one of the promotors is exposed for infidelity.....
    Even trendy Beirut hotels wouldn't allow you to check into a room with someone you weren't married to. I think people would be surprised how morality is seen differently in other seemingly Western loving parts of the world
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,723
    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1598675028966531074?t=ctfLeQARzDj5J4RDjfkCxw&s=19

    Lab on 459, Con on 101 before tactical voting.

    Lab Maj looks like value, and Lab most seats surely nailed on.

    The average polling similar to 2008 polls predicting a Cameron landslide, it ended up a hung parliament in 2010
    You'd be just a teeny bit heartened by Chester, am I right?
    Lower swing than Yougov has yes
    That solid but not spectacular defeat is on!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,988
    Dura_Ace said:

    biggles said:

    Stocky said:

    On private schools, how about this for a thought experiment (which I routinely dredge up when the subject is raised).

    Image a (lucky) couple have £250k in savings which they have resolved to provide exclusively for their child. There are two options:

    1) pay for school fees. At the end of the child's A Levels the £250k has gone
    2) send to a state school. At the end of the child's A Levels the £250k (plus growth) is still there and child can use it for, say, house deposit, car, pension contribution, ISA, emergencies, etc.

    If you were the child, which option would you want your parent to choose?

    I disagree with Mrs Stocky on this. She says 1) and I say 2).

    It's certainly an interesting question. But you also have to consider the alternative schooling options available.
    It also depends on the child, and their planned career choices. Marginal gains at A-Level, and private school swagger (much though I despise it) could be the difference that gets them up the greasy pole in a large law firm. Less relevant if that’s not their thing.
    If I had kids, the last thing I'd want them to have is "swagger".

    "Swagger" is a rather loaded term.

    Some people have the inner confidence to believe that if they try to make a success of something, they have a good chance of doing so. They seize on opportunities. They have a resilience where setbacks occur. That's all positive, and entirely consistent with being a pleasant, warm and generous person.

    Of course, some people have the same confidence and are also total arseholes, but I'm not entirely sure that's a necessary part of what's being referred to.
    I reckon one could sort regulars on here into public/state schooled based on their contributions with a very high degree of accuracy.
    You just imagine them eating peas with their knife
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    edited December 2022

    Leon said:

    I asked ChatGPT to rewrite the Lord’s Prayer so it explains quantum physics





    I then asked it to write a Shakespeare sonnet about internet porn




    Not brilliant. But it produced both in 3-5 seconds. This stuff is getting scary

    The final two lines of the sonnet, albeit imperfect, are excellent

    Have you come across a decent joke yet?
    No, it is poor at jokes. But remember, as OpenAI have said, this machine is seriously crippled from the Off, because it is set to Ultra Safe mode, it is hampered by multiple controls on politics, sex, race, swear words, emotions. It is not allowed to express emotion

    They are terrified that, like other Bots, it will start ranting about Jews and being abusive or sarcastic or ironic

    At some point OpenAI (or someone else) will switch off Safe Mode. I bet then you will get dazzling jokes. Often dirty

    Here is a coder reacting on film to ChatGPT. "It can do in two minutes what takes us months"

    I have no knowledge of coding or whether what he shows is genuinely amazing, but he is amusingly impressed:

    https://twitter.com/thekitze/status/1598414259137880066?s=20&t=xj8chlsdSbbAwMvoEOhJBQ
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,650
    Roger said:

    OT.MoonRabbit

    'Portrait of a Lady on Fire'

    I really liked it. I'd be wary of recommending it because of it's pace and slightly obscure subject matter but very much my type of film

    Yes. That’s sort of what I said too, yesterday. I would be careful who I’d recommend it too, but You can learn more about the artists eye from Portrait of a Lady on Fire than 4 hours of La Belle Noiseuse.

    Though Emmanuelle Béart body was looking drippin in 1990 and helps the 4 hours drift by, it can be rightly said.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,723
    "Doth wait, a siren's call to carnal bliss"

    Wow. Your computer is certainly in a ruminative mood.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779
    HYUFD said:

    kinabalu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1598675028966531074?t=ctfLeQARzDj5J4RDjfkCxw&s=19

    Lab on 459, Con on 101 before tactical voting.

    Lab Maj looks like value, and Lab most seats surely nailed on.

    The average polling similar to 2008 polls predicting a Cameron landslide, it ended up a hung parliament in 2010
    You'd be just a teeny bit heartened by Chester, am I right?
    Lower swing than Yougov has yes
    Hope springs eternal, in the asinine breast.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    kinabalu said:

    "Doth wait, a siren's call to carnal bliss"

    Wow. Your computer is certainly in a ruminative mood.

    That line is perfect iambic pentameter

    da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DUH

    Phenomenal. 5 seconds
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    "Doth wait, a siren's call to carnal bliss"

    Wow. Your computer is certainly in a ruminative mood.

    That line is perfect iambic pentameter

    da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DUH

    Phenomenal. 5 seconds
    so how do you feel now that AI is coming for *your* job?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779
    Leon said:

    I asked ChatGPT to rewrite the Lord’s Prayer so it explains quantum physics





    I then asked it to write a Shakespeare sonnet about internet porn




    Not brilliant. But it produced both in 3-5 seconds. This stuff is getting scary

    The final two lines of the sonnet, albeit imperfect, are excellent

    Why not cut out the middleman?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,650
    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 49% (-1)
    CON: 26% (-1)
    LDEM: 10% (+1)
    GRN: 4% (-)
    REF: 5% (NA)

    via @techneUK, 30 Nov - 01 Dec
    https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2022/11/britainpredicts

    No change with Techne MOE.
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW.

    25 point lead for Labour ...

    Labour 46% (+2)
    Conservatives 21% (-3)
    Greens 9% (+1)
    Lib Dems 7% (-1)
    Reform 7% (+2)
    SNP 5% (-)

    @PeoplePolling Nov 30

    There’s an Opinium due tomorow. We’ll see if this little backward step in Tory % from Yougov and people polling is reflected in the coming polls.

    I think not, I thinking yougov and people pollin are outliers, Opinium up to 29% Redfield and Savanta up one too when they next report. Delta has shown leap for the Tories into the thirties this week.

    As I predicted spot on, just looking at gap between the parties is meaningless, just look at how the Labour position is continuing to erode away now the Tory adults are in charge. Watching the Tory share for their recovery is the game in town.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election > LABOUR VOTE SHARE ON THE SLIDE DEFYING THE NARRATIVES
    If your theory doesn't get a 'like' from ANY of the usual suspects I'd suggest it's back to the drawing board........

    (or maybe your post was a joke?)
    Oh dear. And we were just about about to agree on everything 🤭

    Not a joke, just click the link and see Labours polling on slide as Trussterfuck bonus unwinds.

    But don’t panic. I predicted it. I explained months ago the bonus was not just made up from % Truss lost but the shaving of libdems and greens. Sure enough, as Labour % slide, one pollster today has greens up to 9.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,723
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    "Doth wait, a siren's call to carnal bliss"

    Wow. Your computer is certainly in a ruminative mood.

    That line is perfect iambic pentameter

    da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DUH

    Phenomenal. 5 seconds
    And then I knew I had to take a piss.

    (would have been my next line)
  • More Wages of Putinism, this time involving MAGA-maniac & multiple election loser AND denier in WA State.

    Seattle Times ($) - $275,000 payout follows Loren Culp’s alleged mishandling of sexual-abuse case

    A lawsuit accusing Loren Culp and other police of botching a child sexual-abuse investigation and trying to intimidate the victim has been settled, with Ferry County and the city of Republic agreeing to pay the victim $275,000.

    The lawsuit, filed in 2017, alleged that Culp, then a Republic police officer . . . failed to properly investigate allegations in 2013 by a 17-year-old girl who reported she’d been sexually molested by her stepfather since she was 5.

    After the dropped probe in Ferry County, the Benton County Sheriff’s Office stepped in at the urging of the girl’s grandparents and swiftly obtained evidence to arrest Roy A. Moore Jr. on child rape, child molestation and incest charges.

    Moore pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree child molestation . . .

    Culp, an unsuccessful Republican candidate for governor in 2020 and for Congress this year, was named as a defendant in the lawsuit, along with Venturo, Ferry County and the small town of Republic in northeast Washington.

    In an interview this week, the lawsuit plaintiff, now 26, said she feels vindicated by the settlement, recalling she received numerous threats after news of her lawsuit broke during Culp’s gubernatorial campaign. (The Seattle Times typically does not name victims of sexual abuse.) . . .

    In a statement this week, Culp contended he’d been vindicated, citing a court order that formally dismissed him as an individual defendant in the lawsuit in mid-November. He criticized the media for reporting on the case and political rivals for running ads highlighting it during his congressional run this year. Culp did not make it out of the August primary in the 4th Congressional District.

    “After years of my name being dragged through the mud, I’m happy to have this cleared up and signed by a judge. Now, where do I go to get my reputation back?” Culp said . . . .

    Bill Gilbert, the attorney for the plaintiff, said the $275,000 settlement was reached after mediation in the long-running case, and disputed Culp’s characterization.

    “Mr. Culp was not vindicated whatsoever by this dismissal,” Gilbert said in an email. . . . "Making a public statement that he was somehow vindicated by the resolution of the case is disingenuous, at best.” . . .

    Culp has repeatedly downplayed his role in the sexual-abuse investigation and previously said that Moore’s guilty plea doesn’t mean he’d actually committed a crime. . . .

    During their questioning of the girl, Culp asked her what should happen to her stepfather. She replied “he needs to be punished” for “a long time,” according to a transcript of the Nov. 21, 2013, interview.

    Culp followed up: “Do you think that somebody that does something like this deserves a second chance?”
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    "Doth wait, a siren's call to carnal bliss"

    Wow. Your computer is certainly in a ruminative mood.

    That line is perfect iambic pentameter

    da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DUH

    Phenomenal. 5 seconds
    so how do you feel now that AI is coming for *your* job?
    Kinda glad that I won't really need a career in 20 years!

    And sad for all the writers, artists, painters, creators - and coders, lawyers, teachers, bankers, for that matter - who are about to see their professions annihilated, as they know them
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,995

    HYUFD said:

    Indonesia to make sex before marriage illegal

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-63838213

    Indonesia's parliament is expected to pass a new criminal law this month that will punish sex outside marriage with imprisonment of up to a year.

    Bambang Wuryanto, a politician involved in the draft, said the code could be passed as early as next week.


    Bambang is a great name for a politician who makes fornication illegal.
    Banbang as he will forever be known.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,723
    Dura_Ace said:

    biggles said:

    Stocky said:

    On private schools, how about this for a thought experiment (which I routinely dredge up when the subject is raised).

    Image a (lucky) couple have £250k in savings which they have resolved to provide exclusively for their child. There are two options:

    1) pay for school fees. At the end of the child's A Levels the £250k has gone
    2) send to a state school. At the end of the child's A Levels the £250k (plus growth) is still there and child can use it for, say, house deposit, car, pension contribution, ISA, emergencies, etc.

    If you were the child, which option would you want your parent to choose?

    I disagree with Mrs Stocky on this. She says 1) and I say 2).

    It's certainly an interesting question. But you also have to consider the alternative schooling options available.
    It also depends on the child, and their planned career choices. Marginal gains at A-Level, and private school swagger (much though I despise it) could be the difference that gets them up the greasy pole in a large law firm. Less relevant if that’s not their thing.
    If I had kids, the last thing I'd want them to have is "swagger".

    "Swagger" is a rather loaded term.

    Some people have the inner confidence to believe that if they try to make a success of something, they have a good chance of doing so. They seize on opportunities. They have a resilience where setbacks occur. That's all positive, and entirely consistent with being a pleasant, warm and generous person.

    Of course, some people have the same confidence and are also total arseholes, but I'm not entirely sure that's a necessary part of what's being referred to.
    I reckon one could sort regulars on here into public/state schooled based on their contributions with a very high degree of accuracy.
    Yes, I agree. I think I could do that and score at least 80%.

    (but don't worry I'm not about to)
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,354
    Group H current balance:

    Portugal qualified
    Uruguay 1 SK goal from falling to qualify
    SK 1 SK goal from qualification
    Ghana 2 Ghana goals from qualification.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,051
    Leon said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    "Doth wait, a siren's call to carnal bliss"

    Wow. Your computer is certainly in a ruminative mood.

    That line is perfect iambic pentameter

    da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DUH

    Phenomenal. 5 seconds
    so how do you feel now that AI is coming for *your* job?
    Kinda glad that I won't really need a career in 20 years!

    And sad for all the writers, artists, painters, creators - and coders, lawyers, teachers, bankers, for that matter - who are about to see their professions annihilated, as they know them
    Well seems pointless to continue educating them, there we have some nice savings for the exchequer
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,059
    Leon said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    "Doth wait, a siren's call to carnal bliss"

    Wow. Your computer is certainly in a ruminative mood.

    That line is perfect iambic pentameter

    da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DUH

    Phenomenal. 5 seconds
    so how do you feel now that AI is coming for *your* job?
    Kinda glad that I won't really need a career in 20 years!

    And sad for all the writers, artists, painters, creators - and coders, lawyers, teachers, bankers, for that matter - who are about to see their professions annihilated, as they know them
    In which case they will all vote for parties offering a universal basic income funded by a robot tax on corporations and organisations that use AI, making UBI inevitable
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830

    More Wages of Putinism, this time involving MAGA-maniac & multiple election loser AND denier in WA State.

    Seattle Times ($) - $275,000 payout follows Loren Culp’s alleged mishandling of sexual-abuse case

    A lawsuit accusing Loren Culp and other police of botching a child sexual-abuse investigation and trying to intimidate the victim has been settled, with Ferry County and the city of Republic agreeing to pay the victim $275,000.

    The lawsuit, filed in 2017, alleged that Culp, then a Republic police officer . . . failed to properly investigate allegations in 2013 by a 17-year-old girl who reported she’d been sexually molested by her stepfather since she was 5.

    After the dropped probe in Ferry County, the Benton County Sheriff’s Office stepped in at the urging of the girl’s grandparents and swiftly obtained evidence to arrest Roy A. Moore Jr. on child rape, child molestation and incest charges.

    Moore pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree child molestation . . .

    Culp, an unsuccessful Republican candidate for governor in 2020 and for Congress this year, was named as a defendant in the lawsuit, along with Venturo, Ferry County and the small town of Republic in northeast Washington.

    In an interview this week, the lawsuit plaintiff, now 26, said she feels vindicated by the settlement, recalling she received numerous threats after news of her lawsuit broke during Culp’s gubernatorial campaign. (The Seattle Times typically does not name victims of sexual abuse.) . . .

    In a statement this week, Culp contended he’d been vindicated, citing a court order that formally dismissed him as an individual defendant in the lawsuit in mid-November. He criticized the media for reporting on the case and political rivals for running ads highlighting it during his congressional run this year. Culp did not make it out of the August primary in the 4th Congressional District.

    “After years of my name being dragged through the mud, I’m happy to have this cleared up and signed by a judge. Now, where do I go to get my reputation back?” Culp said . . . .

    Bill Gilbert, the attorney for the plaintiff, said the $275,000 settlement was reached after mediation in the long-running case, and disputed Culp’s characterization.

    “Mr. Culp was not vindicated whatsoever by this dismissal,” Gilbert said in an email. . . . "Making a public statement that he was somehow vindicated by the resolution of the case is disingenuous, at best.” . . .

    Culp has repeatedly downplayed his role in the sexual-abuse investigation and previously said that Moore’s guilty plea doesn’t mean he’d actually committed a crime. . . .

    During their questioning of the girl, Culp asked her what should happen to her stepfather. She replied “he needs to be punished” for “a long time,” according to a transcript of the Nov. 21, 2013, interview.

    Culp followed up: “Do you think that somebody that does something like this deserves a second chance?”

    Do you think that was an intentional double meaning?

    Or is Culp just an idiot as well as an arsehole?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,354
    edited December 2022
    Pro_Rata said:

    Group H current balance:

    Portugal qualified
    Uruguay 1 SK goal from falling to qualify
    SK 1 SK goal from qualification
    Ghana 2 Ghana goals from qualification.

    SK 1 Portugal or Uruguay goal from elimination
    Uruguay 1 Portugal or Uruguay goal from qualification
    Ghana 2 Ghana goals from qualification
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481
    Korea going through now
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,262
    Roger said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    biggles said:

    Stocky said:

    On private schools, how about this for a thought experiment (which I routinely dredge up when the subject is raised).

    Image a (lucky) couple have £250k in savings which they have resolved to provide exclusively for their child. There are two options:

    1) pay for school fees. At the end of the child's A Levels the £250k has gone
    2) send to a state school. At the end of the child's A Levels the £250k (plus growth) is still there and child can use it for, say, house deposit, car, pension contribution, ISA, emergencies, etc.

    If you were the child, which option would you want your parent to choose?

    I disagree with Mrs Stocky on this. She says 1) and I say 2).

    It's certainly an interesting question. But you also have to consider the alternative schooling options available.
    It also depends on the child, and their planned career choices. Marginal gains at A-Level, and private school swagger (much though I despise it) could be the difference that gets them up the greasy pole in a large law firm. Less relevant if that’s not their thing.
    If I had kids, the last thing I'd want them to have is "swagger".

    "Swagger" is a rather loaded term.

    Some people have the inner confidence to believe that if they try to make a success of something, they have a good chance of doing so. They seize on opportunities. They have a resilience where setbacks occur. That's all positive, and entirely consistent with being a pleasant, warm and generous person.

    Of course, some people have the same confidence and are also total arseholes, but I'm not entirely sure that's a necessary part of what's being referred to.
    I reckon one could sort regulars on here into public/state schooled based on their contributions with a very high degree of accuracy.
    You just imagine them eating peas with their knife
    I eat my peas with honey;
    I've done it all my life.
    It makes the peas taste funny,
    But it keeps them on the knife.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    edited December 2022
    dixiedean said:

    Korea going through now

    They were 999-1 for the World Cup on Betfair before the game. Maybe Cameroon will get through too.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    What a World Cup
  • ydoethur said:

    More Wages of Putinism, this time involving MAGA-maniac & multiple election loser AND denier in WA State.

    Seattle Times ($) - $275,000 payout follows Loren Culp’s alleged mishandling of sexual-abuse case

    A lawsuit accusing Loren Culp and other police of botching a child sexual-abuse investigation and trying to intimidate the victim has been settled, with Ferry County and the city of Republic agreeing to pay the victim $275,000.

    The lawsuit, filed in 2017, alleged that Culp, then a Republic police officer . . . failed to properly investigate allegations in 2013 by a 17-year-old girl who reported she’d been sexually molested by her stepfather since she was 5.

    After the dropped probe in Ferry County, the Benton County Sheriff’s Office stepped in at the urging of the girl’s grandparents and swiftly obtained evidence to arrest Roy A. Moore Jr. on child rape, child molestation and incest charges.

    Moore pleaded guilty to two counts of first-degree child molestation . . .

    Culp, an unsuccessful Republican candidate for governor in 2020 and for Congress this year, was named as a defendant in the lawsuit, along with Venturo, Ferry County and the small town of Republic in northeast Washington.

    In an interview this week, the lawsuit plaintiff, now 26, said she feels vindicated by the settlement, recalling she received numerous threats after news of her lawsuit broke during Culp’s gubernatorial campaign. (The Seattle Times typically does not name victims of sexual abuse.) . . .

    In a statement this week, Culp contended he’d been vindicated, citing a court order that formally dismissed him as an individual defendant in the lawsuit in mid-November. He criticized the media for reporting on the case and political rivals for running ads highlighting it during his congressional run this year. Culp did not make it out of the August primary in the 4th Congressional District.

    “After years of my name being dragged through the mud, I’m happy to have this cleared up and signed by a judge. Now, where do I go to get my reputation back?” Culp said . . . .

    Bill Gilbert, the attorney for the plaintiff, said the $275,000 settlement was reached after mediation in the long-running case, and disputed Culp’s characterization.

    “Mr. Culp was not vindicated whatsoever by this dismissal,” Gilbert said in an email. . . . "Making a public statement that he was somehow vindicated by the resolution of the case is disingenuous, at best.” . . .

    Culp has repeatedly downplayed his role in the sexual-abuse investigation and previously said that Moore’s guilty plea doesn’t mean he’d actually committed a crime. . . .

    During their questioning of the girl, Culp asked her what should happen to her stepfather. She replied “he needs to be punished” for “a long time,” according to a transcript of the Nov. 21, 2013, interview.

    Culp followed up: “Do you think that somebody that does something like this deserves a second chance?”

    Do you think that was an intentional double meaning?

    Or is Culp just an idiot as well as an arsehole?
    Based on his so-called political career, answer is clearly 2nd choice.

    For what it's worth, note that City of Republic total pop. in 2020 = 992; blink and you'll miss it.

    Further note that, after losing the 2020 governor's race by over half a million votes, Clup sued state and local election officials to overturn the result, alleging fraud, etc., etc. without a scintilla of actual evidence, in emulation of his role model, Secret POTUS. Got laughed out of court . . . for some reason.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,354
    Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Group H current balance:

    Portugal qualified
    Uruguay 1 SK goal from falling to qualify
    SK 1 SK goal from qualification
    Ghana 2 Ghana goals from qualification.

    SK 1 Portugal or Uruguay goal from elimination
    Uruguay 1 Portugal or Uruguay goal from qualification
    Ghana 2 Ghana goals from qualification
    SK win

    SK 1 Uruguay goal from elimination
    Uru 1 Uru goal from qualification
    Ghana 2 Ghana goals from qualification
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,954
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
  • This is what happens when the dam breaks. The people who were happy to be associated with you when that made them look good vanish. Staff and trustees start trying to save themselves, shopping colleagues to the authorities to try to save themselves. It’ll be ugly but essential

    https://twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1598721333495332864
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,044
    With Portugal beaten, England will end the group stage with at worst the second best overall record.

    So much for all the moaning after the USA game.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    "Doth wait, a siren's call to carnal bliss"

    Wow. Your computer is certainly in a ruminative mood.

    That line is perfect iambic pentameter

    da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DA-da-DUH

    Phenomenal. 5 seconds
    so how do you feel now that AI is coming for *your* job?
    Kinda glad that I won't really need a career in 20 years!

    And sad for all the writers, artists, painters, creators - and coders, lawyers, teachers, bankers, for that matter - who are about to see their professions annihilated, as they know them
    In which case they will all vote for parties offering a universal basic income funded by a robot tax on corporations and organisations that use AI, making UBI inevitable
    Good to see you coming around to that way of thinking. But I can't help thinking it will be a bit more of a struggle than you're suggesting.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,049

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    All written by a human.

    Those who are so overwhelmed be GPTx are the same people who think chess is an unknowable profound life lesson.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    Surely that's the whole point of the Turing test. If it's indistinguishable from intelligence, how can one distinguish it from intelligence? Alan Turing wasn't thick.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481
    Uruguay paying for not having scored in the first two games.
    Teams who went at it positively have generally prospered. Which is nice to see.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,109
    We’ve just received a tip off that @michaelgove will be making an important statement to his local association this evening. Perhaps he will be joining @sajidjavid in the departure lounge?
    https://twitter.com/SurreyHeathLDs/status/1598658653493542915
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,988
    How do the Qatari cameramen manage to find tearful spectators on tap? It's not like most spectators turn the tears on during a match and even if they did the camera would have to be lined up and waiting.
    Tear gas perhaps?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,354
    Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Group H current balance:

    Portugal qualified
    Uruguay 1 SK goal from falling to qualify
    SK 1 SK goal from qualification
    Ghana 2 Ghana goals from qualification.

    SK 1 Portugal or Uruguay goal from elimination
    Uruguay 1 Portugal or Uruguay goal from qualification
    Ghana 2 Ghana goals from qualification
    SK win

    SK 1 Uruguay goal from elimination
    Uru 1 Uru goal from qualification
    Ghana 2 Ghana goals from qualification
    It's SK
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Chris said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    Surely that's the whole point of the Turing test. If it's indistinguishable from intelligence, how can one distinguish it from intelligence? Alan Turing wasn't thick.
    Exactly. A lot of people don't quite get that
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779
    Scott_xP said:

    We’ve just received a tip off that @michaelgove will be making an important statement to his local association this evening. Perhaps he will be joining @sajidjavid in the departure lounge?
    https://twitter.com/SurreyHeathLDs/status/1598658653493542915

    Why should that be important to anyone but himself?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481
    More Asian teams than S American in the last 16.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,954
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    The distinction is really important because it affects what it is capable of and how it is biased.

    The training data set is the key thing with this. If there are errors, or biases, in the training dataset, because it isn't AGI, it won't be able to identify or correct those, and so will propagate them.

    It's really important that we are aware of that distinction, because otherwise we would be too trusting of what it creates.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    The distinction is really important because it affects what it is capable of and how it is biased.

    The training data set is the key thing with this. If there are errors, or biases, in the training dataset, because it isn't AGI, it won't be able to identify or correct those, and so will propagate them.
    As if humans don't propagate errors that they learn from their training data!
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929
    So as soon as the Tories end up with the adults in the room they all start jumping ship.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,995
    Scott_xP said:

    We’ve just received a tip off that @michaelgove will be making an important statement to his local association this evening. Perhaps he will be joining @sajidjavid in the departure lounge?
    https://twitter.com/SurreyHeathLDs/status/1598658653493542915

    Maybe he has put a letter in.....
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    The distinction is really important because it affects what it is capable of and how it is biased.

    The training data set is the key thing with this. If there are errors, or biases, in the training dataset, because it isn't AGI, it won't be able to identify or correct those, and so will propagate them.

    It's really important that we are aware of that distinction, because otherwise we would be too trusting of what it creates.
    Humans are conscious but unable to identify and correct their training biases so seems unfair to expect it of our new robot overlords.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,988
    Must be one of the best world cups ever. It's great when the underdogs do well.

    And women have never featured as much both commentating and even reffing. Who'd have thought!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,954
    edited December 2022
    Chris said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    The distinction is really important because it affects what it is capable of and how it is biased.

    The training data set is the key thing with this. If there are errors, or biases, in the training dataset, because it isn't AGI, it won't be able to identify or correct those, and so will propagate them.
    As if humans don't propagate errors that they learn from their training data!
    We are capable of self-correction in a way that these algorithms are not, even if we don't exercise that capability as often as we might.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,995
    Bloody England. Robbed us of this group finale excitement.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,001
    Roger said:

    Must be one of the best world cups ever. It's great when the underdogs do well.

    And women have never featured as much both commentating and even reffing. Who'd have thought!

    It's also emphasised how much it's now a global game and no longer dominated by Europe and Latin America.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    The distinction is really important because it affects what it is capable of and how it is biased.

    The training data set is the key thing with this. If there are errors, or biases, in the training dataset, because it isn't AGI, it won't be able to identify or correct those, and so will propagate them.

    It's really important that we are aware of that distinction, because otherwise we would be too trusting of what it creates.
    But in practice it won't matter, because we will treat this AI as AGI because it will be a perfect simulacrum of that, or, of course, it will be actual AGI

    There won't be any difference in the real world. The alleged difference will become a philosophical question for dusty libraries
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,988

    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 49% (-1)
    CON: 26% (-1)
    LDEM: 10% (+1)
    GRN: 4% (-)
    REF: 5% (NA)

    via @techneUK, 30 Nov - 01 Dec
    https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2022/11/britainpredicts

    No change with Techne MOE.
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW.

    25 point lead for Labour ...

    Labour 46% (+2)
    Conservatives 21% (-3)
    Greens 9% (+1)
    Lib Dems 7% (-1)
    Reform 7% (+2)
    SNP 5% (-)

    @PeoplePolling Nov 30

    There’s an Opinium due tomorow. We’ll see if this little backward step in Tory % from Yougov and people polling is reflected in the coming polls.

    I think not, I thinking yougov and people pollin are outliers, Opinium up to 29% Redfield and Savanta up one too when they next report. Delta has shown leap for the Tories into the thirties this week.

    As I predicted spot on, just looking at gap between the parties is meaningless, just look at how the Labour position is continuing to erode away now the Tory adults are in charge. Watching the Tory share for their recovery is the game in town.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election > LABOUR VOTE SHARE ON THE SLIDE DEFYING THE NARRATIVES
    If your theory doesn't get a 'like' from ANY of the usual suspects I'd suggest it's back to the drawing board........

    (or maybe your post was a joke?)
    Oh dear. And we were just about about to agree on everything 🤭

    Not a joke, just click the link and see Labours polling on slide as Trussterfuck bonus unwinds.

    But don’t panic. I predicted it. I explained months ago the bonus was not just made up from % Truss lost but the shaving of libdems and greens. Sure enough, as Labour % slide, one pollster today has greens up to 9.
    Are you predicting a possible Tory victory?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929

    This is what happens when the dam breaks. The people who were happy to be associated with you when that made them look good vanish. Staff and trustees start trying to save themselves, shopping colleagues to the authorities to try to save themselves. It’ll be ugly but essential

    https://twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1598721333495332864

    Is that Mermaids or the Tory party you are refering to?
    I had the same initial thought.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,178
    Talking of AI, I found a readable version of the research article on the Cicero AI Diplomacy player project (that I mentioned on Weds):

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.ade9097

  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,006
    edited December 2022

    OllyT said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 49% (-1)
    CON: 26% (-1)
    LDEM: 10% (+1)
    GRN: 4% (-)
    REF: 5% (NA)

    via @techneUK, 30 Nov - 01 Dec
    https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2022/11/britainpredicts

    No change with Techne MOE.
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW.

    25 point lead for Labour ...

    Labour 46% (+2)
    Conservatives 21% (-3)
    Greens 9% (+1)
    Lib Dems 7% (-1)
    Reform 7% (+2)
    SNP 5% (-)

    @PeoplePolling Nov 30

    There’s an Opinium due tomorow. We’ll see if this little backward step in Tory % from Yougov and people polling is reflected in the coming polls.

    I think not, I thinking yougov and people pollin are outliers, Opinium up to 29% Redfield and Savanta up one too when they next report. Delta has shown leap for the Tories into the thirties this week.

    As I predicted spot on, just looking at gap between the parties is meaningless, just look at how the Labour position is continuing to erode away now the Tory adults are in charge. Watching the Tory share for their recovery is the game in town.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election > LABOUR VOTE SHARE ON THE SLIDE DEFYING THE NARRATIVES
    I thought the Tories were meant to be up to at least 31% by now, not sliding back to 21%.
    You posted that, but don’t believe yourself they are on 21 do you? You picked the lowest % and expect us treat that that as serious point you are making? It’s the same week delta had them up 5 to 30. That’s exactly my point. The pollsters are all over the place for Tory share, with Labour dropping away too it proves the Tory lack of movement or back steps are clearly not switchers to Labour, it’s the pollsters methodology not being able to handle so many Tories going shy at the moment.
    I was commenting on the PeoplePolling poll that was being discussed, the one you called "a little backwards slip" for the Tories. I was simply pointing out that Sunak was supposed to have the Tories polling comfortably in the 30s by now. He is not.

    Not many shy Tories in Chester yesterday by the way.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,723
    Roger said:

    Must be one of the best world cups ever. It's great when the underdogs do well.

    And women have never featured as much both commentating and even reffing. Who'd have thought!

    So far it definitely is. Should never have gone to Qatar but the actual football is delivering bigtime.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    dixiedean said:

    More Asian teams than S American in the last 16.

    Awfully convenient for FIFA, who must be hoping to use this World Cup to expand football into Asia - the huge, lucrative Japanese and Korean markets especially

    Getting football to supplant baseball in Japan would be an enormous prize. They must be getting close with drama like this. Baseball cannot provide the global excitement of football, nor the glamour of the European leagues

    Bit tough on Germany and Uruguay but hey ho
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,033
    Gove out? From Surrey Heath Lib Dem’s..

    We’ve just received a tip off that @michaelgove will be making an important statement to his local association this evening. Perhaps he will be joining @sajidjavid in the departure lounge?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929
    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    More Asian teams than S American in the last 16.

    Awfully convenient for FIFA, who must be hoping to use this World Cup to expand football into Asia - the huge, lucrative Japanese and Korean markets especially

    Getting football to supplant baseball in Japan would be an enormous prize. They must be getting close with drama like this. Baseball cannot provide the global excitement of football, nor the glamour of the European leagues

    Bit tough on Germany and Uruguay but hey ho
    Hope you aren't suggesting something about the referring?
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    The distinction is really important because it affects what it is capable of and how it is biased.

    The training data set is the key thing with this. If there are errors, or biases, in the training dataset, because it isn't AGI, it won't be able to identify or correct those, and so will propagate them.

    It's really important that we are aware of that distinction, because otherwise we would be too trusting of what it creates.
    As I pointed out downthread, the new chatbot's biggest limitation is its inability to analyse anything critically - it just regurgitates. Tell it that a woman can have a penis, and that's what it believes. Because that's what it's been told. (I have asked it). Ask it to question that orthodoxy and it's all out of answers.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,033
    Scott_xP said:

    We’ve just received a tip off that @michaelgove will be making an important statement to his local association this evening. Perhaps he will be joining @sajidjavid in the departure lounge?
    https://twitter.com/SurreyHeathLDs/status/1598658653493542915

    Ah - missed this up thread.

    My MP, so will keep an eye out ..
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,954
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    The distinction is really important because it affects what it is capable of and how it is biased.

    The training data set is the key thing with this. If there are errors, or biases, in the training dataset, because it isn't AGI, it won't be able to identify or correct those, and so will propagate them.

    It's really important that we are aware of that distinction, because otherwise we would be too trusting of what it creates.
    But in practice it won't matter, because we will treat this AI as AGI because it will be a perfect simulacrum of that, or, of course, it will be actual AGI

    There won't be any difference in the real world. The alleged difference will become a philosophical question for dusty libraries
    I don't expect that this approach will create a perfect simulacrum of AGI. It will be good enough for a lot of applications, but it's not going to be that good.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    This is what happens when the dam breaks. The people who were happy to be associated with you when that made them look good vanish. Staff and trustees start trying to save themselves, shopping colleagues to the authorities to try to save themselves. It’ll be ugly but essential

    https://twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1598721333495332864

    I don't know about Mermaids specifically, but organisations do seem to have had a tendency to essentially delegate out their policy to what seem to be lobbying organisations.


  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481
    OllyT said:

    OllyT said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 49% (-1)
    CON: 26% (-1)
    LDEM: 10% (+1)
    GRN: 4% (-)
    REF: 5% (NA)

    via @techneUK, 30 Nov - 01 Dec
    https://sotn.newstatesman.com/2022/11/britainpredicts

    No change with Techne MOE.
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW.

    25 point lead for Labour ...

    Labour 46% (+2)
    Conservatives 21% (-3)
    Greens 9% (+1)
    Lib Dems 7% (-1)
    Reform 7% (+2)
    SNP 5% (-)

    @PeoplePolling Nov 30

    There’s an Opinium due tomorow. We’ll see if this little backward step in Tory % from Yougov and people polling is reflected in the coming polls.

    I think not, I thinking yougov and people pollin are outliers, Opinium up to 29% Redfield and Savanta up one too when they next report. Delta has shown leap for the Tories into the thirties this week.

    As I predicted spot on, just looking at gap between the parties is meaningless, just look at how the Labour position is continuing to erode away now the Tory adults are in charge. Watching the Tory share for their recovery is the game in town.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election > LABOUR VOTE SHARE ON THE SLIDE DEFYING THE NARRATIVES
    I thought the Tories were meant to be up to at least 31% by now, not sliding back to 21%.
    You posted that, but don’t believe yourself they are on 21 do you? You picked the lowest % and expect us treat that that as serious point you are making? It’s the same week delta had them up 5 to 30. That’s exactly my point. The pollsters are all over the place for Tory share, with Labour dropping away too it proves the Tory lack of movement or back steps are clearly not switchers to Labour, it’s the pollsters methodology not being able to handle so many Tories going shy at the moment.
    I was commenting on the PeoplePolling poll that was being discussed, the one you called "a little backwards slip" for the Tories. I was simply pointing out that Sunak was supposed to have the Tories polling comfortably in the 30s by now. He is not.

    Not many shy Tories in Chester yesterday by the way.
    Nor in the council by elections either.
    Stronger than expected turnout was a feature, too
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,954
    The sad fact is that most of the work that most people do doesn't require much intelligence to do. So algorithms that are a long way from AGI can replace humans for that work all the same.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    More Asian teams than S American in the last 16.

    Awfully convenient for FIFA, who must be hoping to use this World Cup to expand football into Asia - the huge, lucrative Japanese and Korean markets especially

    Getting football to supplant baseball in Japan would be an enormous prize. They must be getting close with drama like this. Baseball cannot provide the global excitement of football, nor the glamour of the European leagues

    Bit tough on Germany and Uruguay but hey ho
    Hope you aren't suggesting something about the referring?
    Two crucial VAR decisions have gone in favour of Korea and Japan, both extremely questionable

    It may just be the rub of the green, so be it. I'm delighted for both Korea and Japan and it is great that new nations are joining the world of football. It is the undisputed world game, the World Cup should be a global party - and it is. Even in Qatar!
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779
    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    The distinction is really important because it affects what it is capable of and how it is biased.

    The training data set is the key thing with this. If there are errors, or biases, in the training dataset, because it isn't AGI, it won't be able to identify or correct those, and so will propagate them.

    It's really important that we are aware of that distinction, because otherwise we would be too trusting of what it creates.
    As I pointed out downthread, the new chatbot's biggest limitation is its inability to analyse anything critically - it just regurgitates. Tell it that a woman can have a penis, and that's what it believes. Because that's what it's been told. (I have asked it). Ask it to question that orthodoxy and it's all out of answers.
    You're telling me it's got to the level of a typical Donald Trump supporter already?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    The sad fact is that most of the work that most people do doesn't require much intelligence to do. So algorithms that are a long way from AGI can replace humans for that work all the same.

    I very much doubt that you could convincingly define AGI in a way that isn't "basically able to what humans do"

    But if you can, knock yourself out
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,109
    Great line in this very good piece:

    As a former Downing Street adviser puts it: “There might not be much in it between Rishi and Starmer, but then voters look over their shoulders at who heads a rabble of mad bastards.”

    https://twitter.com/rafaelbehr/status/1598646848566317061
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    More Asian teams than S American in the last 16.

    Awfully convenient for FIFA, who must be hoping to use this World Cup to expand football into Asia - the huge, lucrative Japanese and Korean markets especially

    Getting football to supplant baseball in Japan would be an enormous prize. They must be getting close with drama like this. Baseball cannot provide the global excitement of football, nor the glamour of the European leagues

    Bit tough on Germany and Uruguay but hey ho
    Hope you aren't suggesting something about the referring?
    Two crucial VAR decisions have gone in favour of Korea and Japan, both extremely questionable

    It may just be the rub of the green, so be it. I'm delighted for both Korea and Japan and it is great that new nations are joining the world of football. It is the undisputed world game, the World Cup should be a global party - and it is. Even in Qatar!
    Aren't goal-line decisions determined by the technology?
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    Chris said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    The distinction is really important because it affects what it is capable of and how it is biased.

    The training data set is the key thing with this. If there are errors, or biases, in the training dataset, because it isn't AGI, it won't be able to identify or correct those, and so will propagate them.

    It's really important that we are aware of that distinction, because otherwise we would be too trusting of what it creates.
    As I pointed out downthread, the new chatbot's biggest limitation is its inability to analyse anything critically - it just regurgitates. Tell it that a woman can have a penis, and that's what it believes. Because that's what it's been told. (I have asked it). Ask it to question that orthodoxy and it's all out of answers.
    You're telling me it's got to the level of a typical Donald Trump supporter already?
    Interestingly, if you prompt it differently (I'm learning that promptcraft matters in GPT as much as it does in DALLE et al), it comes out as a staunch TERF.

    In one instance I asked it if trans women are real women (definitive yes), then I asked it separately if women have penises (no), then finally "if a woman cannot have a penis, how are trans women real women?" to which it took an age to reply "an error has occured, if it persists, please contact us through our help center..."

    I think I broke the poor thing's brain.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    Chris said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    The distinction is really important because it affects what it is capable of and how it is biased.

    The training data set is the key thing with this. If there are errors, or biases, in the training dataset, because it isn't AGI, it won't be able to identify or correct those, and so will propagate them.

    It's really important that we are aware of that distinction, because otherwise we would be too trusting of what it creates.
    As I pointed out downthread, the new chatbot's biggest limitation is its inability to analyse anything critically - it just regurgitates. Tell it that a woman can have a penis, and that's what it believes. Because that's what it's been told. (I have asked it). Ask it to question that orthodoxy and it's all out of answers.
    You're telling me it's got to the level of a typical Donald Trump supporter already?
    Someone has actually given ChatGPT an IQ test

    Result: 83

    Low level normal
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    More Asian teams than S American in the last 16.

    Awfully convenient for FIFA, who must be hoping to use this World Cup to expand football into Asia - the huge, lucrative Japanese and Korean markets especially

    Getting football to supplant baseball in Japan would be an enormous prize. They must be getting close with drama like this. Baseball cannot provide the global excitement of football, nor the glamour of the European leagues

    Bit tough on Germany and Uruguay but hey ho
    Hope you aren't suggesting something about the referring?
    Two crucial VAR decisions have gone in favour of Korea and Japan, both extremely questionable

    It may just be the rub of the green, so be it. I'm delighted for both Korea and Japan and it is great that new nations are joining the world of football. It is the undisputed world game, the World Cup should be a global party - and it is. Even in Qatar!
    Aren't goal-line decisions determined by the technology?
    No, GLT is only for the goal area not the goal line. But the replays were conclusive:

    https://twitter.com/FIFAcom/status/1598702362243104768
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,954
    Leon said:

    The sad fact is that most of the work that most people do doesn't require much intelligence to do. So algorithms that are a long way from AGI can replace humans for that work all the same.

    I very much doubt that you could convincingly define AGI in a way that isn't "basically able to what humans do"

    But if you can, knock yourself out
    Most people but not all.

    It's the bits that it won't be able to do that are the most interesting, when it comes to intelligence.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    Scott_xP said:

    Great line in this very good piece:

    As a former Downing Street adviser puts it: “There might not be much in it between Rishi and Starmer, but then voters look over their shoulders at who heads a rabble of mad bastards.”

    https://twitter.com/rafaelbehr/status/1598646848566317061

    That's both of them, isn't it?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,001
    Late afternoon all :)

    An early release from my labours always welcome.

    Decent result for Labour in Chester last night - I thought it would be a 10% swing on a much lower turnout and a 5-6,000 Labour majority but a 41% turnout (very good for December) and a higher swing makes it even better for Starmer and worse for Sunak. Slightly against the run of play, the LD share up a little as well.

    Yesterday's YouGov may or may not be an outlier but the Savanta ComRes poll has a 21 percent Labour lead (47-26)and the supporting data tables are of interest. Labour lead by 18 among men and 22 among women. Only among those aged 65+ do the Conservatives still lead (41-34) but that compares with 64-17 at the last GE so that's a 20% swing to Labour while the headline swing among all voters is 16% so the Conservatives are doing worse among their core vote.

    *** SUB SAMPLE ALERT ***** (don't you just love them?)

    In London, Labour are on 60%, the LDs on 19% and the Conservatives on 16%

    Leavers split 41% Conservative, 34% Labour, 11% Reform and 6% LD. Remainers split 55% Labour, 14% Conservative, 14% LD

    Labour have 90% of their 2019 vote and now have 30% of the LD 2019 vote and 17% of the 2019 Conservative vote.

    The Conservatives have retained 67% of their 2019 vote and the LDs 61% of their vote.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779
    kyf_100 said:

    Chris said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    The distinction is really important because it affects what it is capable of and how it is biased.

    The training data set is the key thing with this. If there are errors, or biases, in the training dataset, because it isn't AGI, it won't be able to identify or correct those, and so will propagate them.

    It's really important that we are aware of that distinction, because otherwise we would be too trusting of what it creates.
    As I pointed out downthread, the new chatbot's biggest limitation is its inability to analyse anything critically - it just regurgitates. Tell it that a woman can have a penis, and that's what it believes. Because that's what it's been told. (I have asked it). Ask it to question that orthodoxy and it's all out of answers.
    You're telling me it's got to the level of a typical Donald Trump supporter already?
    Interestingly, if you prompt it differently (I'm learning that promptcraft matters in GPT as much as it does in DALLE et al), it comes out as a staunch TERF.

    In one instance I asked it if trans women are real women (definitive yes), then I asked it separately if women have penises (no), then finally "if a woman cannot have a penis, how are trans women real women?" to which it took an age to reply "an error has occured, if it persists, please contact us through our help center..."

    I think I broke the poor thing's brain.
    It sounds like a definite failure of the Turing test.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,481
    This is the last World Cup with four team groups.
    So there'll be no more of this drama planned.
    Thanks FIFA.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,250
    When will Sunak announce he's not standing for re-election? There's probably not a lot in it for him at this stage. I suspect the only reason not to stand down is that it would make him the lamest of lame ducks for the remaining two years of his premiership to announce his departure now.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,044
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    More Asian teams than S American in the last 16.

    Awfully convenient for FIFA, who must be hoping to use this World Cup to expand football into Asia - the huge, lucrative Japanese and Korean markets especially

    Getting football to supplant baseball in Japan would be an enormous prize. They must be getting close with drama like this. Baseball cannot provide the global excitement of football, nor the glamour of the European leagues

    Bit tough on Germany and Uruguay but hey ho
    Hope you aren't suggesting something about the referring?
    Two crucial VAR decisions have gone in favour of Korea and Japan, both extremely questionable

    It may just be the rub of the green, so be it. I'm delighted for both Korea and Japan and it is great that new nations are joining the world of football. It is the undisputed world game, the World Cup should be a global party - and it is. Even in Qatar!
    Are you talking about Japan's ball that didn't cross the goal line? That's not at all questionable, it was clearly the right decision.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    edited December 2022

    Leon said:

    The sad fact is that most of the work that most people do doesn't require much intelligence to do. So algorithms that are a long way from AGI can replace humans for that work all the same.

    I very much doubt that you could convincingly define AGI in a way that isn't "basically able to what humans do"

    But if you can, knock yourself out
    Most people but not all.

    It's the bits that it won't be able to do that are the most interesting, when it comes to intelligence.
    So, you can't define AGI in a way which isn't "basically able to do what humans do"

    GPT4 or 7 or whatever will "basically able to do what humans do", and then some. So it will be AGI
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,830
    FF43 said:

    When will Sunak announce he's not standing for re-election? There's probably not a lot in it for him at this stage. I suspect the only reason not to stand down is that it would make him the lamest of lame ducks for the remaining two years of his premiership to announce his departure now.

    The longer he stays, the longer he gets to be PM.

    And given he is already rich beyond the dreams of avarice, that is probably the one really big ambition he has left.

    He will go to the end.

    (Northern Al has just piled his mortgage on a January 2023 election.)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,178
    Chris said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Chris said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    The distinction is really important because it affects what it is capable of and how it is biased.

    The training data set is the key thing with this. If there are errors, or biases, in the training dataset, because it isn't AGI, it won't be able to identify or correct those, and so will propagate them.

    It's really important that we are aware of that distinction, because otherwise we would be too trusting of what it creates.
    As I pointed out downthread, the new chatbot's biggest limitation is its inability to analyse anything critically - it just regurgitates. Tell it that a woman can have a penis, and that's what it believes. Because that's what it's been told. (I have asked it). Ask it to question that orthodoxy and it's all out of answers.
    You're telling me it's got to the level of a typical Donald Trump supporter already?
    Interestingly, if you prompt it differently (I'm learning that promptcraft matters in GPT as much as it does in DALLE et al), it comes out as a staunch TERF.

    In one instance I asked it if trans women are real women (definitive yes), then I asked it separately if women have penises (no), then finally "if a woman cannot have a penis, how are trans women real women?" to which it took an age to reply "an error has occured, if it persists, please contact us through our help center..."

    I think I broke the poor thing's brain.
    It sounds like a definite failure of the Turing test.
    Leon is surely the classic example of a test failure, being a human posting who is often confused with some sort of primitive AI?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    IanB2 said:

    Chris said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Chris said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    The distinction is really important because it affects what it is capable of and how it is biased.

    The training data set is the key thing with this. If there are errors, or biases, in the training dataset, because it isn't AGI, it won't be able to identify or correct those, and so will propagate them.

    It's really important that we are aware of that distinction, because otherwise we would be too trusting of what it creates.
    As I pointed out downthread, the new chatbot's biggest limitation is its inability to analyse anything critically - it just regurgitates. Tell it that a woman can have a penis, and that's what it believes. Because that's what it's been told. (I have asked it). Ask it to question that orthodoxy and it's all out of answers.
    You're telling me it's got to the level of a typical Donald Trump supporter already?
    Interestingly, if you prompt it differently (I'm learning that promptcraft matters in GPT as much as it does in DALLE et al), it comes out as a staunch TERF.

    In one instance I asked it if trans women are real women (definitive yes), then I asked it separately if women have penises (no), then finally "if a woman cannot have a penis, how are trans women real women?" to which it took an age to reply "an error has occured, if it persists, please contact us through our help center..."

    I think I broke the poor thing's brain.
    It sounds like a definite failure of the Turing test.
    Leon is surely the classic example of a test failure, being a human posting who is often confused with some sort of primitive AI?
    I once made that joke of Snowflake, on here. "The first person to fail the Turing Test"

    I had no idea who she was, at the time
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,807
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The sad fact is that most of the work that most people do doesn't require much intelligence to do. So algorithms that are a long way from AGI can replace humans for that work all the same.

    I very much doubt that you could convincingly define AGI in a way that isn't "basically able to what humans do"

    But if you can, knock yourself out
    Most people but not all.

    It's the bits that it won't be able to do that are the most interesting, when it comes to intelligence.
    So, you can't define AGI in a way which isn't "basically able to do what humans do"

    GPT4 or 7 or whatever will "basically able to do what humans do", and then some. So it will be AGI
    Will it be able to stack and unload my dishwasher?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,779
    IanB2 said:

    Chris said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Chris said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    The distinction is really important because it affects what it is capable of and how it is biased.

    The training data set is the key thing with this. If there are errors, or biases, in the training dataset, because it isn't AGI, it won't be able to identify or correct those, and so will propagate them.

    It's really important that we are aware of that distinction, because otherwise we would be too trusting of what it creates.
    As I pointed out downthread, the new chatbot's biggest limitation is its inability to analyse anything critically - it just regurgitates. Tell it that a woman can have a penis, and that's what it believes. Because that's what it's been told. (I have asked it). Ask it to question that orthodoxy and it's all out of answers.
    You're telling me it's got to the level of a typical Donald Trump supporter already?
    Interestingly, if you prompt it differently (I'm learning that promptcraft matters in GPT as much as it does in DALLE et al), it comes out as a staunch TERF.

    In one instance I asked it if trans women are real women (definitive yes), then I asked it separately if women have penises (no), then finally "if a woman cannot have a penis, how are trans women real women?" to which it took an age to reply "an error has occured, if it persists, please contact us through our help center..."

    I think I broke the poor thing's brain.
    It sounds like a definite failure of the Turing test.
    Leon is surely the classic example of a test failure, being a human posting who is often confused with some sort of primitive AI?
    tdfsmjdnm [reset required]
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,208
    stodge said:

    Roger said:

    Must be one of the best world cups ever. It's great when the underdogs do well.

    And women have never featured as much both commentating and even reffing. Who'd have thought!

    It's also emphasised how much it's now a global game and no longer dominated by Europe and Latin America.
    The only real surprises so far are Australia and Japan getting past the group stage. Ok possibly also Belgium not making it.

    Saudi Arabia beating Argentina the biggest upset in individual results.

    Three of the other biggest surprising results all involved Japan. Is this a first for a team to get the least likely result in all three group matches?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,250
    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    When will Sunak announce he's not standing for re-election? There's probably not a lot in it for him at this stage. I suspect the only reason not to stand down is that it would make him the lamest of lame ducks for the remaining two years of his premiership to announce his departure now.

    The longer he stays, the longer he gets to be PM.

    And given he is already rich beyond the dreams of avarice, that is probably the one really big ambition he has left.

    He will go to the end.

    (Northern Al has just piled his mortgage on a January 2023 election.)
    Yeah - tongue in cheek. Having said that, Sunak has realised his ambition and seems to enjoy California and his wife's non-dom wealth. Not sure there's a lot of point in dragging it out. I doubt he'll stay on after - presumably - winning his Richmond seat and losing the general election.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    edited December 2022
    dixiedean said:

    This is the last World Cup with four team groups.
    So there'll be no more of this drama planned.
    Thanks FIFA.

    Apparently that is under review:

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/dec/01/world-cup-organisers-consider-ditching-three-team-group-format-for-2026

    Here were the proposals for the expansion:

    https://tinyurl.com/p4vsa66f

    There was a proposal to have teams 17 to 48 playoff before the tournament proper begins, but other than that, all the other proposals involved teams playing no more than seven games (same as now).

    If they go to 12 groups of four, then hopefully we won't get a round of 32 and an eighth game. It would be much better to have the eight group winners and four best runners up go through to the last 16 (it would have to be the best runners up from the first six groups and the two best from the second six groups to make the scheduling work).
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,905
    edited December 2022
    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    The distinction is really important because it affects what it is capable of and how it is biased.

    The training data set is the key thing with this. If there are errors, or biases, in the training dataset, because it isn't AGI, it won't be able to identify or correct those, and so will propagate them.

    It's really important that we are aware of that distinction, because otherwise we would be too trusting of what it creates.
    As I pointed out downthread, the new chatbot's biggest limitation is its inability to analyse anything critically - it just regurgitates. Tell it that a woman can have a penis, and that's what it believes. Because that's what it's been told. (I have asked it). Ask it to question that orthodoxy and it's all out of answers.
    Can it, or will it in time be able to discuss, in a way which advances human understanding, whether any values are facts, whether you can derive an 'ought' from an 'is', or whether modal versions of the ontological argument are immune from criticism, or whether the heart can have reasons that reason cannot know?

    And will it know reliably which horse will win the 1.52 at Fairyhouse tomorrow?

  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    Chris said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Chris said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Is it time to Fear for our Jobs?

    "The striking thing about the reaction to ChatGPT is not just the number of people who are blown away by it, but who they are. These are not people who get excited by every shiny new thing. Clearly something big is happening."

    https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1598698665337561088?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg


    "ChatGPT was dropped on us just bit over 24 hours. It's like you wake up to the news of first nuclear explosion and you don't know yet what to think about it but you know world will never be the same again. Here some interesting snapshots of this "explosion"🧵:"

    https://twitter.com/sytelus/status/1598523136177508356?s=20&t=P_PSeuqT9YKPYXTZPr0FGg

    It's no what.three.words.
    What unnerves me is that this isn't necessarily The Next Big Thing. This is GPT3.5 and we are still waiting for GPT4 early next year - supposedly

    We are on the cusp of AGI
    We are not on the cusp of AGI. That's not what this is.

    But you can create something remarkably impressive with simply enough processing power, a large enough training dataset and some good algorithms.
    We are on the cusp of AGI because what is about to come will look exactly like AGI and we won't therefore know if it is AGI or not, because we don't really know what sentience/intelligence are

    We will only know that what we are encountering is 100% convincing as AGI, it will sail past the Turing Test

    = AGI, to all intents and purposes
    The distinction is really important because it affects what it is capable of and how it is biased.

    The training data set is the key thing with this. If there are errors, or biases, in the training dataset, because it isn't AGI, it won't be able to identify or correct those, and so will propagate them.

    It's really important that we are aware of that distinction, because otherwise we would be too trusting of what it creates.
    As I pointed out downthread, the new chatbot's biggest limitation is its inability to analyse anything critically - it just regurgitates. Tell it that a woman can have a penis, and that's what it believes. Because that's what it's been told. (I have asked it). Ask it to question that orthodoxy and it's all out of answers.
    You're telling me it's got to the level of a typical Donald Trump supporter already?
    Interestingly, if you prompt it differently (I'm learning that promptcraft matters in GPT as much as it does in DALLE et al), it comes out as a staunch TERF.

    In one instance I asked it if trans women are real women (definitive yes), then I asked it separately if women have penises (no), then finally "if a woman cannot have a penis, how are trans women real women?" to which it took an age to reply "an error has occured, if it persists, please contact us through our help center..."

    I think I broke the poor thing's brain.
    It sounds like a definite failure of the Turing test.
    Indeed, I'm not trying to be controversial, rather I'm trying to feed it "difficult" questions to see how it responds.

    It's a regurgitator, and a very good one at that - but it has no critical thought.
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