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Will the Truss link be as damaging to the CON brand as Corbyn was to LAB? – politicalbetting.com

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  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,329
    Ghedebrav said:

    TOPPING said:

    ping said:

    Email from TravelZoo flogging 3 hour flights to see the northern lights;

    https://www.omegabreaks.com/itineraries/9031-Special Offer Northern Lights Flights 2022

    As a society, we’re really not taking climate change seriously, are we?

    Indeed we are not which is strange, isn't it. Every one of us now is aware of the potential dangers of climate change, of the various activities which have been identified as contributing to it and yet no one or precious few are willing to do anything about it.

    That tells me that they either don't care, don't believe, or believe that it won't be as bad as all that.

    The broad masses are certainly not agreeing with eg XR and their ilk.
    I guess it's a combo of people feeling they personally won't make much of a difference, general ignorance and/or confusion over what actually causes climate change and wilful blindness to the problem (see also factory farmed animals).

    There's also no doubt a bit of IDGAF as well.
    We are speck in the ocean compared to the big polluters like China, India etc. They are not goinb to change so we are just farting against a hurricane.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,259
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    IMPORTANT: Bolsonaro’s most powerful ally in congress, equivalent to House Speaker in US, says “the will of the majority expressed at the ballot box should never be contested.” Clear message to Bolsonaro and a plea for a smooth transition to Lula
    https://twitter.com/BrazilBrian/status/1586865535043735552

    We were talking about twitter this morning and a possible revenue model.

    I love it when people put "IMPORTANT" at the beginning of a tweet. Says who the fuck. Perhaps an extra fiver for having the temerity to do that.
    I'd support a similar measure, right here on PB, for anyone who prefaces a post:

    BREAKING


    And, while we are at it, a £10 fine for any of the below. Easy money for OGH...

    • Doing some heavy lifting
    • Colour me …
    • IANAE/IANAL
    • Feature, not a bug
    • Ad hom
    • This
    • It’s a view
    • North of [to mean more than]
    • As I’ve said passim
    • One of those irregular verbs
    • Late of this parish
    • Nail. Head.
    • Unspoofable
    This.

    :wink:
    Unspoofable…

  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,259

    eek said:

    TOPPING said:

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    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Taz said:

    MaxPB said:

    The solution is what the Greeks do, tow them back to French water. Fuck the international sensibilities, do it enough and they give up just as the Turkey to Greece route is now non functional for people trafficking. If the charity taxi boats don't like it they can lump it. Pay the French whatever it takes to make this happen. Within weeks it would stop being an issue because people won't spend €2000 just to end up back in France.

    Alternatively we can accept people will come here and set up processing centres in France to process their applications. Give passage to those approved and those who,don’t, if they come over by other means, just return them.
    We have legal routes of migration. If they don't qualify then it's hard no. We need to end the pull factor and make the trip completely uneconomic. A huge crackdown on illegal work, a deal with France to end the boat crossings and ensuring legitimate migrants are given access to legal routes of migration. The default approach should be deportation for all illegal immigrants with no right of appeal and barring that person from ever being able to legally migrate to the UK. Make the cost of illegal immigration extremely high.
    Punishments being made stronger don't work if people don't think they'll be caught.
    So disabuse them of that notion. Have the crackdown, shut down all of the carwashes and deport them all, shutdown all of the restaurants hiring illegal workers and deport them all, huge fines for all of the firms with dodgy site labourers being paid cash. Have a series of no warning inspections and don't give the businesses doing the dirt a way out with paying fines, just shut them down, no right of appeal, directors barred from opening a business for 20 years.
    Very good ideas.

    Then post a policeman at the dwelling of everyone on any dangerous watchlist (terrorism, domestic abuse, you name it) and have that policeman accompany that person everywhere they go.

    Then put a policeman in every supermarket in the country to deter shoplifters and, should shoplifting occur, the culprit should be given five years imprisonment.

    A few more measures like that should make a serious indent into our crime stats.

    But wait. It's not going to happen. None of it. Including your measures to deter/prevent illegal immigration.

    So why don't we instead think about what is workable and doable. Not what might be workable but is as we have seen, transparently obviously not doable.
    Max’s idea is workable - it’s small enough that the impact isn’t that great.

    As for whether it works or not - Max missed one important factor. The illegal immigrant who reports the company isn’t treated as an illegal immigrant if he reports the case. Instead reporting the company employing him / her triggers a reward of some form or other rather than instant deportation.

    Currently the incentive of all parties who are illegal or employ illegal workers is to keep quiet about it. The fix we need is to utterly change the incentive for one of the parties involved.

    And that means we need to incentivize illegal immigrants to report illegal employers to the extent that employers have major incentives to never employ an illegal worker
    Why would he trade employment for a one-off reward?
    If the reward is legal right to remain that would be big enough
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,259
    Nigelb said:

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:
    What an idiot.
    The key sentence being “warning that the voters would punish such slackness [on security matters]”…

    The Metro has utterly misreported him in the headline. I’m surprised you fell for it
    Misrepresented, but not 'utterly' - the direct quote from him was also that "we" will replace the PM.
    Putting that next to a photo of a bloke in uniform implies “we” is the military.

    That completely changed the meaning of his statement and meets the bar of “utterly” in my view.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,259

    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:
    What an idiot.
    The key sentence being “warning that the voters would punish such slackness [on security matters]”…

    The Metro has utterly misreported him in the headline. I’m surprised you fell for it
    The Metro above reproach, Shirley 🤭


    To be honest I think he looks like he’s about to barf. That’s not a “roar” expression
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,259

    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm sitting in my local pub right now (last day of paternity leave) and the five locals at the bar are discussing the boats across the channel *right this minute* and spitting teeth about it.

    This is cutting through. Hugely.

    I took the Ukrainians to Waitrose for baking supplies this morning (every day is the Great Ukrainian Bake Off in our house). Two old yentas at the checkout were going on about that woman in Kent who found an informal immigrant in her front room demanding to be taken to Manchester. They were fucking furious about the situation.
    Somehow I struggle to imagine you patiently doing bake off with your houseguests everyday.
    I had dinner last night with someone who has modified his sports car so that flames come out of the exhaust when he accelerates.

    Just because 😂

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited October 2022
    Truss effect unwind......
    The Government’s net competency rating stands at -34% this week, up 30 points from last Sunday. Altogether, 15% find the Government competent (+7), and 49% find the Government incompetent (-23).
    Still dire but Boris dire not Liz dire
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,160
    @SeanT has been banned.

    You can't be too careful.
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