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  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,220
    Hello
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 4,121
    The Boris bandwagon has started to roll.

    I’m afraid there is only one direction this is going, and it’s not a good one.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,673
    I mean.. the Tories must have a death wish if they bring back Johnson
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 42,977
    Even Wikipedia subconsciously knows who the real favourite is:

    image
  • It would be utter lunacy if the Party were to re-elect Boris. His situation and the risks he represents are no better than they were the day before he left office. The question is, has the current maelstrom clouded MPs' collective minds?
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,220
    Is that Lionel Ritchie?

    Boris? You can't be serious. That's John McEnroe.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 19,604
    I still want to know in the absence of Boris, who the Daily Mail candidate might be.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,226

    It would be utter lunacy if the Party were to re-elect Boris. His situation and the risks he represents are no better than they were the day before he left office. The question is, has the current maelstrom clouded MPs' collective minds?

    True, but the fact remains, as it was then, that Boris has the highest ceiling. His risks at least come with some rewards. So it does make a certain amount of sense that he's being talked about - but surely the MPs won't let it happen.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,757

    Boris isn't serious.

    He'd have to give back all those fees for his upcoming speaking engagements.

    Boris isn't serious.

    He'd have to give back all those fees for his upcoming speaking engagements.

    He'll be able to double his fee if he comes back. You have to admit it would be quite the tale.
  • Gove or Sunak as the 'stop Johnson' candidate?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 48,176

    Is it you I'm looking for?

    Another of his appropriate for BoJo:

    Stuck on You
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 5,529
    edited October 20
    Would Hunt (or even Sunak) be willing to serve as CotE under PM Boris now?
    I rather doubt it.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 4,121

    It would be utter lunacy if the Party were to re-elect Boris. His situation and the risks he represents are no better than they were the day before he left office. The question is, has the current maelstrom clouded MPs' collective minds?

    Yes.

    It is also self interest. If Boris returns they can plausibly argue they have a mandate (and their jobs) til 2024.

    They deserve to be annihilated at the next GE if they are so mendacious to do this. But I think they will be.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 48,176
    When is Brady announcing the rules? Tonight? Tomorrow?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 72,757

    Gove or Sunak as the 'stop Johnson' candidate?

    Gove has ruled himself out.

    MPs have to go for Mordaunt to have a sniff with the membership against Boris.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,468
    edited October 20
    Maybe it's the operating on 2 hours of sleep, but the feeling of Borisian inevitability is really depressing me. How do they continually do this?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,468

    DougSeal said:

    Confirmed: Johnson flying back for coronation. Told you.

    The Mail, Express, Telegraph and Sun will go full Boris-euphoria if it happens, so that will be something for Sir Keir to contend with. And Boris is cunning enough to make his comeback sound like a glorious resurrection: I have learnt lessons... I return humble but energized and focussed... Onwards friends!
    Which would be a total lie. I know the MPs are desperate and going to Boris worked last time, but remember how he brought himself down ffs.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 57,151
    edited October 20

    When is Brady announcing the rules? Tonight? Tomorrow?

    Sounds like we’ll get the formal rules of the leadership contest around 5:30pm. 1922 executive and Conservative Party board will agree this afternoon.

    https://twitter.com/sebastianepayne/status/1583110226672488448
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,095
    edited October 20
    kle4 said:

    Maybe it's the operating on 2 hours of sleep, but the feeling of Borisian inevitability is really depressing me. How do they continually do this?

    I had 8 and I have the same feeling. But I am also reflecting how it'd be the SNP's second Christmas already this year.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,468

    Gove or Sunak as the 'stop Johnson' candidate?

    Only works if they are so far ahead even Boris knows he is beat. He knows that's not the case.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 45,286
    Nadine Dorries may have used parliamentary privilege to 'traduce reputation' of Channel 4, say MPs
    https://news.sky.com/story/nadine-dorries-may-have-used-parliamentary-privilege-to-traduce-reputation-of-channel-4-say-mps-12725575
    No evidence was found to support the former culture secretary's claims that Channel 4 used paid actors instead of ordinary people in documentary series Tower Blocks of Commons - yet she has not corrected the record, a committee says.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 4,121
    Nigelb said:

    Nadine Dorries may have used parliamentary privilege to 'traduce reputation' of Channel 4, say MPs
    https://news.sky.com/story/nadine-dorries-may-have-used-parliamentary-privilege-to-traduce-reputation-of-channel-4-say-mps-12725575
    No evidence was found to support the former culture secretary's claims that Channel 4 used paid actors instead of ordinary people in documentary series Tower Blocks of Commons - yet she has not corrected the record, a committee says.

    Oh well. We’ve got her return to government to look forward to on Friday.

  • Why does Boris even want the job at the moment? He's not going to be a popular PM over the next couple of years.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,506

    It would be utter lunacy if the Party were to re-elect Boris. His situation and the risks he represents are no better than they were the day before he left office. The question is, has the current maelstrom clouded MPs' collective minds?

    Yes.

    It is also self interest. If Boris returns they can plausibly argue they have a mandate (and their jobs) til 2024.

    They deserve to be annihilated at the next GE if they are so mendacious to do this. But I think they will be.
    That’s the only justification they’ve got. And it is the ultimate evidence that they couldn’t give a f*ck about the welfare of the country.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,468

    Even Wikipedia subconsciously knows who the real favourite is:

    image

    No one doubts he's favourite due to the members. They're just despairing about it.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 23,736
    What's the latest with the Privileges Committee report - any chance that that could save us all from Johnson redux?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 48,176

    When is Brady announcing the rules? Tonight? Tomorrow?

    Sounds like we’ll get the formal rules of the leadership contest around 5:30pm. 1922 executive and Conservative Party board will agree this afternoon.

    https://twitter.com/sebastianepayne/status/1583110226672488448
    Thanks
  • EPGEPG Posts: 5,046
    We need to move right away to the stop-stop-stop-Boris candidate (that's the evolutionary stable strategy, to the biologists in the room).
  • Boris likes the idea of being PM. Of being proven right. Of his party begging him to come back. Yes he is earning dollah overseas. But think how much more dollah he could earn in future if he returns?

    So yes, he wants it. As do some MPs and likely many members. But MPs won't stand for it and the party would fall apart.

    Or they can select Sunak or Mordaunt. MPs won't stand for it an the party would fall apart.

    Perhaps the Brandon Lewis option isn't totally mental. Elect a non-entity who doesn't upset any of the factions.
  • Would Hunt (or even Sunak) be willing to serve as CotE under PM Boris now?
    I rather doubt it.

    Boris wouldn't want him. Looks like Hunt's political comeback could be short-lived.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,648
    Truss resgnation honours anyone? Lol
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 30,203

    Off-topic:

    Re. the potential cable-cutting. It can be argued that one of the first acts Britain committed during World War One won the war (eventually). Within the first few weeks of the war, we cut all but one of Germany's marine cables (and we had access to that one).

    This severely hampered German international communications throughout the war, and aided our signals intelligence. Then in 1917 it allowed the infamous Zimmerman Telegram to be intercepted, which helped bring the US into the war.

    Cutting cables nowadays would not have the same effect; but it may prove absolutely awful for trade.

    Good for Elon Musk though...

    What state is OneWeb in at the moment?
    Early operational testing - service has gaps until the last satellites are launched.

    Interestingly, the missing satellites (stuck in Russia) will be launched by SpaceX. Yes, they are being launched by their direct competitor. Given the way the launch business usually works, finding a ride would have taken multiple years. Only SpaceX has the capability to do large launches at a couple of months notice.

    Reasons for the SpaceX being helpful include

    - having a competitor is actually good for them. Accusations of monopoly.
    - Launching a direct rivals service protects them against charges of being anti-competitive.. using the SpaceX price advantage only for Starlink could be viewed that way. This contract makes SpaceX legally fireproof on such charges.
    - The space industry have a history of helping rivals out. You never know when it is your turn
    - As a result of launch contract various mutual lawsuits have gone away.
    On the other hand, they've been very uncompetitive with their rideshare program, and killed off the market leaders (who created the market in the first place).

    Also, do we really want comms in the hands of Musk? For years I compared him with Brunel, positively. I was wrong. Musk is not the modern-day Brunel.

    He is the modern-day Henry Ford. Except worse...
    Merely offering a cheaper product isn’t anti-competitive. The marginal cost of F9 launches is said to be in the order of $15 million now. Maybe less.

    As to a monopoly on LEO comms - he’s helped out OneWeb, allowing them to get in service something like on time.
    It's not about offering the service cheaper - it's about the fact they stopped working with the concept originator Spaceflight. (Yes, that is a terrible name for a space company, as it makes searches nearly impossible...)
    There were serious problems with them. Not doing due diligence and safety checks on some of the cube sats to the point of endangering the launcher.

    Given that launcher reliability is a key selling point, it’s not hard to see why SpaceX gave them the boot.
  • I can’t even.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,506
    kle4 said:

    Even Wikipedia subconsciously knows who the real favourite is:

    image

    No one doubts he's favourite due to the members. They're just despairing about it.

    Would Hunt (or even Sunak) be willing to serve as CotE under PM Boris now?
    I rather doubt it.

    Boris wouldn't want him. Looks like Hunt's political comeback could be short-lived.
    And the bond market would completely collapse instantly.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,520

    Would Hunt (or even Sunak) be willing to serve as CotE under PM Boris now?
    I rather doubt it.

    Boris wouldn't want him. Looks like Hunt's political comeback could be short-lived.
    Watch the markets tank if Hunts moved anytime soon
  • Well, if the Tories do completely disintegrate as a party the whole 'Scotland gets Tory governments imposed on it against its will' argument for indy will collapse... There might well never be a Tory government again.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 16,607
    I think Boris is probably already unbeatable.
    He has the ERG and the Red Wall vote in the PCP, and that’s that.

    There will of course be a set of defections, some to Lab, some to LD, and perhaps more to “Independent”, but probably only a handful.

    He’ll keep Hunt on as CoE, at least for now, and focus his attention on stoking up culture war grievances. Dorries will return to Cabinet to “own the libs”.
  • #PM4PM
    #Boris4Bantz
  • I can’t even.

    You can. Run. Britain needs you.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,364
    Why you’re not piling in on Johnson as next PM I’ve no idea. It’s an absolute certainty. I’d tell my granny to put her savings on it.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 57,151
    Veteran MP: "We have a credibility problem. Getting Boris Johnson back is not the way to solve that."

    https://twitter.com/e_casalicchio/status/1583114135776043008
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,364

    I can’t even.

    Can’t what?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 24,452
    I know this won't be a popular view here.
    But Boris is the Tories only chance. He has a mandate.
  • If Boris gets back in then @HYUFD is going to be utterly insufferable.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    kle4 said:

    Maybe it's the operating on 2 hours of sleep, but the feeling of Borisian inevitability is really depressing me. How do they continually do this?

    My recent bets on a Lab majority feel unwise now.

  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 16,607

    Veteran MP: "We have a credibility problem. Getting Boris Johnson back is not the way to solve that."

    https://twitter.com/e_casalicchio/status/1583114135776043008

    There simply aren’t enough sane MPs left in the parliamentary party, and certainly no sane members left in the wider party.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    21m
    I’ve got no idea who the next Tory leader will be. But there’s only one person who people are talking about in parliament at the moment - positively and negatively. And that’s Boris. The other candidates need to get their skates on.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,639

    I think Boris is probably already unbeatable.
    He has the ERG and the Red Wall vote in the PCP, and that’s that.

    There will of course be a set of defections, some to Lab, some to LD, and perhaps more to “Independent”, but probably only a handful.

    He’ll keep Hunt on as CoE, at least for now, and focus his attention on stoking up culture war grievances. Dorries will return to Cabinet to “own the libs”.

    It Hunt was prepared to stay on, and let that be known, Boris would be unbeatable.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 55,103
    It might well be a coronation...

    ... Of Johnson
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 72,942

    If Boris gets back in then @HYUFD is going to be utterly insufferable.

    Nothing new there then ;-)
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 16,607
    Someone noted - and perhaps it’s not an original thought, but it impressed me - that while Labour has the “unions”, the Tories have the right wing press.

    The Mail et al - controlled largely by non-doms and foreign money - are an absolute cancer on Britain.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,639
    dixiedean said:

    I know this won't be a popular view here.
    But Boris is the Tories only chance. He has a mandate.

    It retrospect it would have worked out quite nicely for him. The whole thing is seen to have fallen apart without him (other interpretations are available) and during the gap he had a nice holiday and made a few hundred k to fill out his bank balance.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 16,607
    Boris will still lose GE24.
    The overall electorate are not that mad.
    But he can still do immense damage to the country for two years.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,546
    Should I be rejoining the party so that I can resign again?
  • I wonder if many people had thought they'd won Boris not to be PM on 1 January bets without laying it off?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 10,540

    I think Boris is probably already unbeatable.
    He has the ERG and the Red Wall vote in the PCP, and that’s that.

    There will of course be a set of defections, some to Lab, some to LD, and perhaps more to “Independent”, but probably only a handful.

    He’ll keep Hunt on as CoE, at least for now, and focus his attention on stoking up culture war grievances. Dorries will return to Cabinet to “own the libs”.

    I struggle to see Hunt and Johnson as a PM and Chancellor duo. Johnson isn't temperamentally suited to austerity.

    He'd want a Chancellor who could find him the money for his pet projects, in the manner of a medieval monarch relying on a fixer as Chief Minister who could exploit every old feudal due to bring money in.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,468

    Veteran MP: "We have a credibility problem. Getting Boris Johnson back is not the way to solve that."

    https://twitter.com/e_casalicchio/status/1583114135776043008

    Veteran MP still not going on the record, because they know Boris might win (and if he runs, will).
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,226

    Someone noted - and perhaps it’s not an original thought, but it impressed me - that while Labour has the “unions”, the Tories have the right wing press.

    The Mail et al - controlled largely by non-doms and foreign money - are an absolute cancer on Britain.

    The influence of the "right wing press" is massively overstated.

    The single most important news medium is the BBC News app push notification.
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 7,506

    I think Boris is probably already unbeatable.
    He has the ERG and the Red Wall vote in the PCP, and that’s that.

    There will of course be a set of defections, some to Lab, some to LD, and perhaps more to “Independent”, but probably only a handful.

    He’ll keep Hunt on as CoE, at least for now, and focus his attention on stoking up culture war grievances. Dorries will return to Cabinet to “own the libs”.

    The Lords appointments commission could get a move on and get her out!
  • Should I be rejoining the party so that I can resign again?

    I did that already when May resigned.

    It gets old.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 16,607

    I think Boris is probably already unbeatable.
    He has the ERG and the Red Wall vote in the PCP, and that’s that.

    There will of course be a set of defections, some to Lab, some to LD, and perhaps more to “Independent”, but probably only a handful.

    He’ll keep Hunt on as CoE, at least for now, and focus his attention on stoking up culture war grievances. Dorries will return to Cabinet to “own the libs”.

    I struggle to see Hunt and Johnson as a PM and Chancellor duo. Johnson isn't temperamentally suited to austerity.

    He'd want a Chancellor who could find him the money for his pet projects, in the manner of a medieval monarch relying on a fixer as Chief Minister who could exploit every old feudal due to bring money in.
    Yes, but he doesn’t want his own run on the pound, either.

    He’ll put up with Hunt until he thinks it’s safe not to do so, probably as part of a big giveaway budget promise in the run up to the next election.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 19,604
    Is Kwasi standing?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 2,639

    I think Boris is probably already unbeatable.
    He has the ERG and the Red Wall vote in the PCP, and that’s that.

    There will of course be a set of defections, some to Lab, some to LD, and perhaps more to “Independent”, but probably only a handful.

    He’ll keep Hunt on as CoE, at least for now, and focus his attention on stoking up culture war grievances. Dorries will return to Cabinet to “own the libs”.

    I struggle to see Hunt and Johnson as a PM and Chancellor duo. Johnson isn't temperamentally suited to austerity.

    He'd want a Chancellor who could find him the money for his pet projects, in the manner of a medieval monarch relying on a fixer as Chief Minister who could exploit every old feudal due to bring money in.
    Quite the opposite. He’d be able to apply boosterism and highlight special projects, and deny the existence of any cuts. Possibly the most useful front man.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 72,942
    edited October 20

    Should I be rejoining the party so that I can resign again?

    I did that already when May resigned.

    It gets old.
    A bit like how a lot of people run their Netflix subscription?
  • Driver said:

    Someone noted - and perhaps it’s not an original thought, but it impressed me - that while Labour has the “unions”, the Tories have the right wing press.

    The Mail et al - controlled largely by non-doms and foreign money - are an absolute cancer on Britain.

    The influence of the "right wing press" is massively overstated.

    The single most important news medium is the BBC News app push notification.
    You reckon?

    I know people who get their news from TikTok. Which does not play in the Tories favour.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,468
    OllyT said:

    Boris with a chastened and disciplined party could be the Goldilocks scenario for the Tories.

    LOL. Boris Johnson chastened and disciplined. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
    I said the party, not him. They'd be much less likely to undermine him having been through the experience of the last two months.
    Johnson undermined himself with his laziness and his lies and corruption. He didn't need any help from the party. He won't change. He has never learnt from all his previous sackings and embarrassments He has lived his entire life doing just as he pleases and lying his way out of tight spots.
    Exactly. He drove them too far in the end, even though he was an electoral success.

    That has not changed.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 16,607
    Driver said:

    Someone noted - and perhaps it’s not an original thought, but it impressed me - that while Labour has the “unions”, the Tories have the right wing press.

    The Mail et al - controlled largely by non-doms and foreign money - are an absolute cancer on Britain.

    The influence of the "right wing press" is massively overstated.

    The single most important news medium is the BBC News app push notification.
    No. Because the right wing press construct the narrative, and the BBC largely stick to events.

    Indeed, because of the way it works, the BBC end up presenting the narrative itself as part of a he says/she says attempt at unbiased reportage.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 42,808
    edited October 20
    Look on the bright side; it's a chance to humiliate Johnson for a second time :)

    If it goes to the members it won't be Sunak, so Mordaunt is the smart bet? And because she was the only one to have her phone switched on back on Tuesday!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 16,607

    Driver said:

    Someone noted - and perhaps it’s not an original thought, but it impressed me - that while Labour has the “unions”, the Tories have the right wing press.

    The Mail et al - controlled largely by non-doms and foreign money - are an absolute cancer on Britain.

    The influence of the "right wing press" is massively overstated.

    The single most important news medium is the BBC News app push notification.
    You reckon?

    I know people who get their news from TikTok. Which does not play in the Tories favour.
    That demographic barely vote.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 41,912
    Whoa, wasn’t expecting that news today.

    God only knows who can be a unifying candidate for this rabble of Tory MPs. Anyone but Sunak for me.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 42,808

    Boris likes the idea of being PM. Of being proven right. Of his party begging him to come back. Yes he is earning dollah overseas. But think how much more dollah he could earn in future if he returns?

    So yes, he wants it. As do some MPs and likely many members. But MPs won't stand for it and the party would fall apart.

    Or they can select Sunak or Mordaunt. MPs won't stand for it an the party would fall apart.

    Perhaps the Brandon Lewis option isn't totally mental. Elect a non-entity who doesn't upset any of the factions.

    Lewis is an oik.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 4,556

    I can’t even.

    Can you odd?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,468

    What's the latest with the Privileges Committee report - any chance that that could save us all from Johnson redux?

    No - we already know how he'd react, that the process was corrupt and unfair, and the party would back him, since if they vote him back in they are declaring beyond any doubt he can do whatever he wants and they won't do a damn thing.
  • (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    21m
    I’ve got no idea who the next Tory leader will be. But there’s only one person who people are talking about in parliament at the moment - positively and negatively. And that’s Boris. The other candidates need to get their skates on.

    Have to agree with this, Rishi and Mourdant need to be out there NOW pressing the flesh. If Boris comes top 2 with MPs it really is game over.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 10,540
    dixiedean said:

    I know this won't be a popular view here.
    But Boris is the Tories only chance. He has a mandate.

    He told the British people they had to stay at home to save the NHS and then broke his own rules. And then lied about it when he was caught. The moral force of his electoral mandate is effectively invalidated by that level of hypocrisy.

    And the British really hate hypocrisy.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 16,607
    Hunt could probably impede - and maybe prevent - a Johnson coronation by indicating that he’d refuse to serve under him.
  • We can't really speculate properly until the rules of the election are declared at 17:30. Brady said "consult" which specifically doesn't guarantee they get a vote...
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 16,607

    We can't really speculate properly until the rules of the election are declared at 17:30. Brady said "consult" which specifically doesn't guarantee they get a vote...

    I don’t think they will.
    But, by even putting them in the mix, Brady has provided Boris with impetus toward a big mo.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,468
    edited October 20

    We can't really speculate properly until the rules of the election are declared at 17:30. Brady said "consult" which specifically doesn't guarantee they get a vote...

    What else could it mean? Run a twitter poll?

    The cry of stitch up would be enormous. But whilst I defended how they could go to the members last time, you cannot do it twice, not when there's a crisis.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,546

    Hunt could probably impede - and maybe prevent - a Johnson coronation by indicating that he’d refuse to serve under him.

    Yes, that occurred to me.
  • This is fantastic. The country is on its arse, the tories can't even govern themselves, let alone the country. And apparently, Boris Johnson is the answer.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 8,364

    We can't really speculate properly until the rules of the election are declared at 17:30. Brady said "consult" which specifically doesn't guarantee they get a vote...

    I don’t think they will.
    But, by even putting them in the mix, Brady has provided Boris with impetus toward a big mo.
    Until 5.30 at least
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,493
    ...just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.

    All the absolute s***e we thought was going away with Hunt returns with Johnson.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 32,048

    dixiedean said:

    I know this won't be a popular view here.
    But Boris is the Tories only chance. He has a mandate.

    He told the British people they had to stay at home to save the NHS and then broke his own rules. And then lied about it when he was caught. The moral force of his electoral mandate is effectively invalidated by that level of hypocrisy.

    And the British really hate hypocrisy.
    Boris's problem is that the flaws that made him unsuitable to be PM are the same flaws that saw him thrown out as PM. I'd argue he ran the country competently; it was his personal flaws that did him in.

    Does anyone seriously think he'll have changed? That those flaws - evident when he was MoL if not before - will suddenly disappear?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 10,540
    edited October 20
    Driver said:

    Someone noted - and perhaps it’s not an original thought, but it impressed me - that while Labour has the “unions”, the Tories have the right wing press.

    The Mail et al - controlled largely by non-doms and foreign money - are an absolute cancer on Britain.

    The influence of the "right wing press" is massively overstated.

    The single most important news medium is the BBC News app push notification.
    The thing is the BBC use the Press as their external calibration. The BBC are desperate for an external calibration so that they can avoid any accusation of bias. So the right-wing press end up setting the agenda that the BBC follow.
  • Driver said:

    Someone noted - and perhaps it’s not an original thought, but it impressed me - that while Labour has the “unions”, the Tories have the right wing press.

    The Mail et al - controlled largely by non-doms and foreign money - are an absolute cancer on Britain.

    The influence of the "right wing press" is massively overstated.

    The single most important news medium is the BBC News app push notification.
    You reckon?

    I know people who get their news from TikTok. Which does not play in the Tories favour.
    That demographic barely vote.
    True. But the odds of TikTok getting that demographic to be energised and get out to vote feels far more likely to me than claims that Twitter might in the past.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 29,179

    Truss resgnation honours anyone? Lol

    I was wondering about those. How much more space is there in the House of Lords for the bizarre? Or perhaps she could do a deal with Boris and be included in his!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,328

    The Boris bandwagon has started to roll.

    I’m afraid there is only one direction this is going, and it’s not a good one.

    I have very little doubt that if Boris were chosen Hunt would quit and all hell would break loose once again. Hunt is an extraordinary position here and the only sensible thing to do is to build the team around him, including the PM. In short who he wants, he gets.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 19,604

    Driver said:

    Someone noted - and perhaps it’s not an original thought, but it impressed me - that while Labour has the “unions”, the Tories have the right wing press.

    The Mail et al - controlled largely by non-doms and foreign money - are an absolute cancer on Britain.

    The influence of the "right wing press" is massively overstated.

    The single most important news medium is the BBC News app push notification.
    The thing is the BBC use the Press as their external calibration. The BBC are desperate for an external calibration so that they can avoid any accusation of bias. So the right-wing press end up setting the agenda that the BBC follow.
    The Daily Mail killed Penny Mourdaunts campaign last time. They might do it again.
  • Driver said:

    Someone noted - and perhaps it’s not an original thought, but it impressed me - that while Labour has the “unions”, the Tories have the right wing press.

    The Mail et al - controlled largely by non-doms and foreign money - are an absolute cancer on Britain.

    The influence of the "right wing press" is massively overstated.

    The single most important news medium is the BBC News app push notification.
    The thing is the BBC use the Press as their external calibration. The BBC are desperate for an external calibration so that they can avoid any accusation of bias. So the right-wing press end up setting the agenda that the BBC follow.
    The BBC uses the Grauniad as its calibration. Not exactly right wing.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,673
    edited October 20

    I think Boris is probably already unbeatable.
    He has the ERG and the Red Wall vote in the PCP, and that’s that.

    There will of course be a set of defections, some to Lab, some to LD, and perhaps more to “Independent”, but probably only a handful.

    He’ll keep Hunt on as CoE, at least for now, and focus his attention on stoking up culture war grievances. Dorries will return to Cabinet to “own the libs”.

    He had already lost the red wall vote after partygate. The party would fundamentally split. I really don’t think some Tory MPs can even read the mood of the country anymore if that’s their solution
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 3,842
    Look, I was one of those pointing out in the months leading up to May's demise how much MP support Boris needed to get to the final two and that he probably had that.

    I think, in a genuine contest now, that enough won't want to go there that he falls short.

    The danger is in the rules and in the limits to a genuine contest.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,468

    dixiedean said:

    I know this won't be a popular view here.
    But Boris is the Tories only chance. He has a mandate.

    He told the British people they had to stay at home to save the NHS and then broke his own rules. And then lied about it when he was caught. The moral force of his electoral mandate is effectively invalidated by that level of hypocrisy.

    And the British really hate hypocrisy.
    Boris's problem is that the flaws that made him unsuitable to be PM are the same flaws that saw him thrown out as PM. I'd argue he ran the country competently; it was his personal flaws that did him in.

    Does anyone seriously think he'll have changed? That those flaws - evident when he was MoL if not before - will suddenly disappear?
    Yes, Boris has the ability to be PM. But he blew it, and we know (from him and his supporters) that he is not in the least bit contrite, but regards his ousting as a traitorous plot, as if he was owed fealty.
  • Driver said:

    Someone noted - and perhaps it’s not an original thought, but it impressed me - that while Labour has the “unions”, the Tories have the right wing press.

    The Mail et al - controlled largely by non-doms and foreign money - are an absolute cancer on Britain.

    The influence of the "right wing press" is massively overstated.

    The single most important news medium is the BBC News app push notification.
    The thing is the BBC use the Press as their external calibration. The BBC are desperate for an external calibration so that they can avoid any accusation of bias. So the right-wing press end up setting the agenda that the BBC follow.
    The BBC uses the Grauniad as its calibration. Not exactly right wing.
    That is more than bollox, it's Trussticles
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 81,468
    Sandpit said:

    Whoa, wasn’t expecting that news today.

    God only knows who can be a unifying candidate for this rabble of Tory MPs. Anyone but Sunak for me.

    So that's one vote more for Boris then.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 2,226

    Driver said:

    Someone noted - and perhaps it’s not an original thought, but it impressed me - that while Labour has the “unions”, the Tories have the right wing press.

    The Mail et al - controlled largely by non-doms and foreign money - are an absolute cancer on Britain.

    The influence of the "right wing press" is massively overstated.

    The single most important news medium is the BBC News app push notification.
    You reckon?

    I know people who get their news from TikTok. Which does not play in the Tories favour.
    I know people who still get their news from, of all places, the TV regular bulletins.

    But I suspect that the BBC News app push notification gets the most eyeballs.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 45,328

    Is it you I'm looking for?

    Another of his appropriate for BoJo:

    Stuck on You
    Or U2, stuck in a moment:

    "You've got to get yourself together
    You've got stuck in a moment
    And now you can't get out of it
    Don't say that later will be better
    Now you're stuck in a moment
    And you can't get out of it"

    Sums up the Conservative party of 2022 pretty well.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,520
    Oh god... all the people I know are loons on twitter are pushing strongly for Boris to come back.
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