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  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    kjh said:

    Selebian said:

    Another day of feeling like crap. Have been ill all month, this latest 2nd round of head cold isn't clearing. Not helped by getting fitful sleep due to coughing, my fatigue levels keep finding exciting new highs :(

    Much how my wife and I felt in August when we had covid

    You need to be kind to yourself and rest as much as possible
    Just joined the covid club on Tuesday. Not too bad, one really nasty night of shivers. Your point about rest is well made, but tricky with three children, two of whom have also been poorly (we were a bit concerned about number three who is only 4 months old, for a bit, but he's better now).

    Glad to have avoided this pre-vaccination. Post vaccination, I'd have to say I've felt worse for longer with other viral infections, but it's still nasty enough.
    I was rather proud of being in the non COVID club, but joined the COVID club 2weeks ago after 3 days of partying in Spain at a weddings. I wasn't too ill at all but have a lingering cough.

    Annoyingly I was able to get my next jab just as I got covid. Now have to wait a month.
    I have seriously wondered if this is Covid. I test negative, I have the same known symptoms of things I have had before, so officially its not Covid.

    But - AIUI the overlap between modern Covid and winter snot is significant. And I am struggling to recall a time when I have been this bleugh for this long. My voice going hoarse to the point of barely being able to talk has only ever happened to me once before.
    One of the unfortunate legacy effects of Covid is that as soon as one is ill with anything whatsoever, they are immediately asked whether it's Covid and, if it's not, receive little/no sympathy.

    Yet Covid wasn't even in my top ten sick spells of my life – flu, gastroenteritis and norovirus were all far worse. I have even had the odd common cold that was worse.

    Maybe a test of true normality is when people are poorly, one just wishes them a speedy recovery, rather than urging them to take a covid test or quizzing them on details of their symptoms.

    Get well soon, fella.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,952
    Carnyx said:

    Dura_Ace said:



    Amongst all the posh sods speaking at the funeral, Liz Truss accent stood out - and I liked it. She’s Yorkshire alright. It’s good that common uneducated people with an accent can get right up the greasy pole in politics, it gives me hope.

    What the fuck is this? Jizzy Lizzy has a PPE from Oxford and is a Chartered Accountant. How is that 'uneducated'?
    I think you missed yesterday's uber-PB spectacle, whereby Moon and G were overanalysing an imaginary Jizzy lead that might occur at some undefined point in the future
    Tbf unless I am missing something, qualifying as a CA presumably counts as 'training' rather than 'education', much as learning to sex chickens and caponising half of them would be.
    Not as useful as the latter though.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,592
    Scott_xP said:

    The pound has fallen below $1.13 for the first time in 37 years after the Federal Reserve raised interest rates https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pound-falls-below-1-13-after-hawkish-fed-comments-xj5ggzvj9?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1663837844

    Wait to lunchtime when we don't raise ours quick enough.

    And then tomorrow afternoon / monday when the full horror of the "not a budget" is digested by the markets...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,473
    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, what with all the death talk around, my children asked me the other day what arrangements I had made for my own funeral. I gave them a bit of a hard stare and pointed out that I was really not old at all and that other than wanting a proper Catholic funeral (no dreary mumbling in a crematorium) and a bloody good party after it, my main wish was to have lovely flowers from my garden on my coffin.

    Then Husband piped up to point out that money could be saved by using our Berlingo van to transport me. This van is utterly filthy, battered and smelly as it is used for outdoor adventures, moving belongings etc and the dog loves sleeping in it. It is a disgrace to the world of vehicles. I said very firmly that if there was any more talk of transporting me to my Maker in a shitey van, it wouldn't be my funeral we'd be arranging.

    Still I have decided to become a bit fitter and lose some weight. My big problem is that I adore pasta, bread and cheese. Which I suppose are now a no-no. Porridge for breakfast for me today.

    It is very dreary.

    Put some honey in it - I do!

    One question, if I may: what if it's winter? No flowers in the garden? (Have learnt, from practical experience as an executor, the risks of making stipulations in wills which might not be practicable whern the time comes...).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Phil said:

    Meghan update.
    A week is a long time in the holding hands is bad > not holding hands is bad dialectic.


    Can you imagine how soul destroying it must be to have to write this shit?
    I think you have to be desperate to work for the Mail surely, there is no other reason you would?
    The Mail pays better than any other newspaper. And it gets more visitors than any other equivalent news website in the English language bar the NYT

    The Meghan story is designed to be clicked and shared. As has been done on here multiple times. Each time you do it, the Mail gets more money for its online ads. Kerching

    Muppets

  • On topic. The improvement in the Dems position on the graph does seem to have started after the Roe v Wade overturn on 24th June. My daughters are very attuned to this - they are watching like hawks for any shift in UK politics against women's body rights and will vote accordingly. Is there any decent polling on women's attitudes in the US on this?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,175
    edited September 2022
    Leon said:

    Phil said:

    Meghan update.
    A week is a long time in the holding hands is bad > not holding hands is bad dialectic.


    Can you imagine how soul destroying it must be to have to write this shit?
    I think you have to be desperate to work for the Mail surely, there is no other reason you would?
    The Mail pays better than any other newspaper. And it gets more visitors than any other equivalent news website in the English language bar the NYT

    The Meghan story is designed to be clicked and shared. As has been done on here multiple times. Each time you do it, the Mail gets more money for its online ads. Kerching

    Muppets

    That's why I and other non muppets screenshot their shite.
  • Leon said:

    Phil said:

    Meghan update.
    A week is a long time in the holding hands is bad > not holding hands is bad dialectic.


    Can you imagine how soul destroying it must be to have to write this shit?
    I think you have to be desperate to work for the Mail surely, there is no other reason you would?
    The Mail pays better than any other newspaper. And it gets more visitors than any other equivalent news website in the English language bar the NYT

    The Meghan story is designed to be clicked and shared. As has been done on here multiple times. Each time you do it, the Mail gets more money for its online ads. Kerching

    Muppets

    The NYT is the same with its anti-British rants it prints regularly.

    Its pure clickbait, they know it will be shared here both by outraged conservatives, and right on FBPE muppets, and the NYT like the Heil is laughing all the way to the bank.

    Best thing to do about such clickbait is to ignore it.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,109
    The Scottish Government lays down the law to Liz Truss: it won't be issuing any fracking licences in Scotland. https://twitter.com/MathesonMichael/status/1572883887931461635
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,580

    On topic. The improvement in the Dems position on the graph does seem to have started after the Roe v Wade overturn on 24th June. My daughters are very attuned to this - they are watching like hawks for any shift in UK politics against women's body rights and will vote accordingly. Is there any decent polling on women's attitudes in the US on this?

    Yes, lots! Gallup has a long series of polling at https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx , for example.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    Phil said:

    Meghan update.
    A week is a long time in the holding hands is bad > not holding hands is bad dialectic.


    Can you imagine how soul destroying it must be to have to write this shit?
    I think you have to be desperate to work for the Mail surely, there is no other reason you would?
    The Mail pays better than any other newspaper. And it gets more visitors than any other equivalent news website in the English language bar the NYT

    The Meghan story is designed to be clicked and shared. As has been done on here multiple times. Each time you do it, the Mail gets more money for its online ads. Kerching

    Muppets

    That's why I and other non muppets screenshot their shite.
    Lol. You’re still talking about “the Mail” so getting people to seek out “the Mail” and thereby generating clicks

    That’s all they want

  • Cyclefree said:

    Years ago, we had a GP who had a brilliant system. You could make appointments to see him. But for a set period every day you could just turn up and wait to see him. So if there were loads of people in the waiting room, you could wait or come back another day. But if you waited you knew that you would get to see him.

    Then he retired.

    Why practices don't have something similar, I don't know.

    I used to see a GP, a doctor of the old school, who did exactly this and it seemed to work very well. But alas he also retired (and recently passed away and was much mourned).

    Now the village where I live has two GP surgeries with three partners per practice and a rotating cast of trainee GPs, usually one or two per practice. So 8-10 GPs for a population of 4500. And it takes 3-6 weeks to get even a phone appointment because all the partners, every single one of them, works part-time.

    One partner works two days a week and drives a £70,000 electric Jaguar, which I suspect says all that needs to be said about GP's pay.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,580
    Scott_xP said:

    The Scottish Government lays down the law to Liz Truss: it won't be issuing any fracking licences in Scotland. https://twitter.com/MathesonMichael/status/1572883887931461635

    I just find it bizarre that the Truss Cabinet think fracking is the answer to everything. It's very unpopular, e.g. https://yougov.co.uk/topics/science/trackers/should-britain-start-extracting-shale-gas It's even more unpopular with the people in affected areas. It's not a sensible long-term solution to energy needs, unless you're a full-on climate change denialist. There's not enough that can come quickly enough to be a sensible short-term solution to the current energy crisis. It reeks of being a Hail Mary pass, as the Americans say.
  • Scott_xP said:

    The Scottish Government lays down the law to Liz Truss: it won't be issuing any fracking licences in Scotland. https://twitter.com/MathesonMichael/status/1572883887931461635

    That's fine. It's a devolved matter.
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,507
    MattW said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Phone call triage works. If you need to attend in person that usually happens quickly after the phone call. My wife and I have positive experience of email first, receive phone call and then attend in person.

    But the phone call isn't until 2 weeks after you are sick

    How is that good triage?
    You are just being plainly ridiculous

    The triage system our practice uses results in a phone call from the practice that day and if not the day after where you are triaged and either the practice nurse, pharmacists, physio or doctor contacts you

    It is unfortunate you give the constant impression you actually want everything to fail in a desperate and ill fated hope that somehow will see us re joining the EU
    He is not being ridiculous and raises valid questions. On the 3 occasions in the last 2 years when I have needed antibiotics for serious infections which, if left untreated, could have killed me, I could not get even a call from the GP let alone a prescription within the day. And I had already waited hoping the infections would clear up by themselves. I had to go to A&E. A call let alone an appointment within 2 weeks would have been pointless.

    How much of the pressure on A&E is because of this? And bear in mind I went to A&E because the 111 helpline told me to. My instinct is to avoid burdening doctors unnecessarily.

    It is not clear how the Coffey proposals address this sort of problem. A lot of issues need early treatment and a two week wait does nothing for these.

    The GPs did nothing for you here and there is huge pressure on A & E. Defund the GPs and get them doing proper doctoring in hospitals.
    That's a hell of a thing for which to have to create a business case.
    Next time I get some post I'll put the back of the envelope to good use. I think it could fly.
  • kamski said:

    Sandpit said:

    QTWTAIN. He might scrape a tie in the Senate, and hold on to the house by a couple of seats, which would be about as “Triumphant” as Mrs May’s 2017 election. That’s Biden’s best case scenario.

    Surely IF dems get a majority in the House (28% chance according to 538), then they are also quite likely to make 1 or 2 net gains in the Senate. Not having to rely on Manchin's vote would be a big deal for Biden.
    It seems that the Dems are likely to make a gain or two in the Senate, but holding the House is less likely. If Biden can hold the House and make gains in the Senate, lessening Manchin and Sinema's influence then he will have achieved a triumph. Manchin and Sinema have stymied him a lot.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,236
    edited September 2022
    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, what with all the death talk around, my children asked me the other day what arrangements I had made for my own funeral. I gave them a bit of a hard stare and pointed out that I was really not old at all and that other than wanting a proper Catholic funeral (no dreary mumbling in a crematorium) and a bloody good party after it, my main wish was to have lovely flowers from my garden on my coffin.

    Then Husband piped up to point out that money could be saved by using our Berlingo van to transport me. This van is utterly filthy, battered and smelly as it is used for outdoor adventures, moving belongings etc and the dog loves sleeping in it. It is a disgrace to the world of vehicles. I said very firmly that if there was any more talk of transporting me to my Maker in a shitey van, it wouldn't be my funeral we'd be arranging.

    Still I have decided to become a bit fitter and lose some weight. My big problem is that I adore pasta, bread and cheese. Which I suppose are now a no-no. Porridge for breakfast for me today.

    It is very dreary.

    I love porridge. if you are counting calories make with semi-skimmed milk and sprinkle with salt. No sweetener needed.

    I may be a bit peculiar. My absolute fave is Kellogg's All-Bran with hot milk. That's it. Trouble is you don't half know it the next day.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,473
    edited September 2022

    Scott_xP said:

    The Scottish Government lays down the law to Liz Truss: it won't be issuing any fracking licences in Scotland. https://twitter.com/MathesonMichael/status/1572883887931461635

    I just find it bizarre that the Truss Cabinet think fracking is the answer to everything. It's very unpopular, e.g. https://yougov.co.uk/topics/science/trackers/should-britain-start-extracting-shale-gas It's even more unpopular with the people in affected areas. It's not a sensible long-term solution to energy needs, unless you're a full-on climate change denialist. There's not enough that can come quickly enough to be a sensible short-term solution to the current energy crisis. It reeks of being a Hail Mary pass, as the Americans say.
    It's the energy policy equivalent of statue-defending. Soimething to get the Outer Party worked up about.

    BTW I'd missed the news that the much-awaited BGS report has been leaked, at least in part. Not much comfort from that, either.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/15/liz-truss-to-lift-fracking-ban-despite-little-progress-on-earthquake-risk
  • Scott_xP said:

    The Scottish Government lays down the law to Liz Truss: it won't be issuing any fracking licences in Scotland. https://twitter.com/MathesonMichael/status/1572883887931461635

    In the heyday of its independence, of course, Scotland used to float around on its own tectonic plate. Did they have the foresight to bury any gas?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,592

    Scott_xP said:

    The Scottish Government lays down the law to Liz Truss: it won't be issuing any fracking licences in Scotland. https://twitter.com/MathesonMichael/status/1572883887931461635

    I just find it bizarre that the Truss Cabinet think fracking is the answer to everything. It's very unpopular, e.g. https://yougov.co.uk/topics/science/trackers/should-britain-start-extracting-shale-gas It's even more unpopular with the people in affected areas. It's not a sensible long-term solution to energy needs, unless you're a full-on climate change denialist. There's not enough that can come quickly enough to be a sensible short-term solution to the current energy crisis. It reeks of being a Hail Mary pass, as the Americans say.
    I think Truss knows it's not an answer to anything.

    But it will look like she is doing everything possible to solve the current crisis while not actually doing anything to solve it (which would be big insulation projects and ramping up solar and wind farms anyway you can).
  • eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    My biggest beef with phone calls from GP is if you miss it it is literally impossible sometimes to immediately call the GP back.

    It will be an automated call system run by the surgery CRM. If there’s no reply it will immediately call the next number on the list, and so on until someone answers. Same as how call centres work.
    You clearly think your average British GP's IT system is way way more advanced than it actually is...

    I'm sure the one our GP uses is still derived from a DOS based text entry system...
    Just yesterday I told my gp practice that one website to which they referred patients had the wrong url, and the right url gives page not found, leading me to suspect the practice no longer subscribed to that service. Fixing it will probably cost too much.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,473

    Scott_xP said:

    The Scottish Government lays down the law to Liz Truss: it won't be issuing any fracking licences in Scotland. https://twitter.com/MathesonMichael/status/1572883887931461635

    In the heyday of its independence, of course, Scotland used to float around on its own tectonic plate. Did they have the foresight to bury any gas?
    On a PB pedantic point: several plates and microplates, I believe. Plenty of gas in the future grabens around.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,422

    Cyclefree said:

    Years ago, we had a GP who had a brilliant system. You could make appointments to see him. But for a set period every day you could just turn up and wait to see him. So if there were loads of people in the waiting room, you could wait or come back another day. But if you waited you knew that you would get to see him.

    Then he retired.

    Why practices don't have something similar, I don't know.

    I used to see a GP, a doctor of the old school, who did exactly this and it seemed to work very well. But alas he also retired (and recently passed away and was much mourned).

    Now the village where I live has two GP surgeries with three partners per practice and a rotating cast of trainee GPs, usually one or two per practice. So 8-10 GPs for a population of 4500. And it takes 3-6 weeks to get even a phone appointment because all the partners, every single one of them, works part-time.

    One partner works two days a week and drives a £70,000 electric Jaguar, which I suspect says all that needs to be said about GP's pay.
    There's a few vets near us. We've moved away from Vets4Pets who operated an appointment system to another local vets who have a system whereby you show up in person and simply wait in the carpark. The wait is often a few hours but noone minds as your pet will be seen. It reminds me of the GP system that seems to have died a death whereby you'd just go to the surgery and wait your turn. I think it's superior.
  • Scott_xP said:

    The Scottish Government lays down the law to Liz Truss: it won't be issuing any fracking licences in Scotland. https://twitter.com/MathesonMichael/status/1572883887931461635

    I just find it bizarre that the Truss Cabinet think fracking is the answer to everything. It's very unpopular, e.g. https://yougov.co.uk/topics/science/trackers/should-britain-start-extracting-shale-gas It's even more unpopular with the people in affected areas. It's not a sensible long-term solution to energy needs, unless you're a full-on climate change denialist. There's not enough that can come quickly enough to be a sensible short-term solution to the current energy crisis. It reeks of being a Hail Mary pass, as the Americans say.
    It's an answer to a very specific problem - how to keep right-wing backbenchers, who are unhappy about the government spending many billions subsidising energy for the proles, from staging a revolt.

    Allowing fracking in a formal sense mollifies these people, and then, when very little fracking actually occurs over the next year or two, because the geology is wrong and it isn't economic, hopefully it won't matter because the energy crisis will have been solved by other means. And HMG also don't have to face the unpopularity of fracking occurring.
  • ydoethur said:

    Dura_Ace said:



    Amongst all the posh sods speaking at the funeral, Liz Truss accent stood out - and I liked it. She’s Yorkshire alright. It’s good that common uneducated people with an accent can get right up the greasy pole in politics, it gives me hope.

    What the fuck is this? Jizzy Lizzy has a PPE from Oxford and is a Chartered Accountant. How is that 'uneducated'?
    Irony? LizT makes great play of having been educated at Dotheboys Hall.
    One comment I read after one of her more rubbish speeches - if her Comprehensive managed to get her into Oxford it must have been a lot better than she is making out.
    Or her father pulled strings, of course.

    But from what I know, which may be completely wrong, it's probably the former.

    That in itself raises questions about her integrity, but equally Harold Wilson played the same card most days and he was quite successful.
    I went to a secondary school that dropped from seven classes in year 7 to six classes by year 10, because so many kids had been permanently excluded for violence. There would be fights in the corridor to determine who would get to sit next to me in class tests, and poke me with a compass so that I showed my answers.

    I still made it to Cambridge, mostly because my Dad had gone to Cambridge, and his Dad was a graduate, and so there was an expectation at home that I would do well at school and go to university. When you told my Dad that you scored 98% on a test he'd want to know how you managed to drop 2%.

    I know nothing about the school Liz Truss went to, but it's not implausible to me that she ended up at Oxford on her merits, and despite her school, and without any inappropriate influence.
    It would be interesting to know whether the school you went to has improved as a consequence of the inspection regime now in place… what is the name of the school, so I can look it up?
  • JRM calls out critics of fracking as "Luddites".

    Imagine being called out as a Luddite by Jacob Rees Mogg. 😂

    Its very odd. "We've had enough of experts" has become firmly entrenched in political piss-taking. Yesterday we had the boss Cuadrilla say that Fracking would not work in the UK. To back up all those geologists saying the same thing. Yet here comes Jacob insisting his zealotry is correct and the experts wrong.

    Not only do you actually have to produce something when you stake your policy on something like this, you have to deal with the massive backlash from punters. If fracking really was our salvation then I could understand the desire to press on. But it isn't...
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,131

    JRM calls out critics of fracking as "Luddites".

    Imagine being called out as a Luddite by Jacob Rees Mogg. 😂

    it is the utter lack of self awareness that makes these humorless hypocrites so loathsome.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,580

    Scott_xP said:

    The Scottish Government lays down the law to Liz Truss: it won't be issuing any fracking licences in Scotland. https://twitter.com/MathesonMichael/status/1572883887931461635

    I just find it bizarre that the Truss Cabinet think fracking is the answer to everything. It's very unpopular, e.g. https://yougov.co.uk/topics/science/trackers/should-britain-start-extracting-shale-gas It's even more unpopular with the people in affected areas. It's not a sensible long-term solution to energy needs, unless you're a full-on climate change denialist. There's not enough that can come quickly enough to be a sensible short-term solution to the current energy crisis. It reeks of being a Hail Mary pass, as the Americans say.
    It's an answer to a very specific problem - how to keep right-wing backbenchers, who are unhappy about the government spending many billions subsidising energy for the proles, from staging a revolt.

    Allowing fracking in a formal sense mollifies these people, and then, when very little fracking actually occurs over the next year or two, because the geology is wrong and it isn't economic, hopefully it won't matter because the energy crisis will have been solved by other means. And HMG also don't have to face the unpopularity of fracking occurring.
    I have considered this as a hypothesis, but the Government doesn't just seem to be going through the motions. They could have removed the ban on fracking, but left all the other rules in place, but, no, they're talking about relaxing some of the rules (how big an earthquake can you cause before you have to stop). Rees-Mogg seems to be a serious believer.

    The Right's support for fracking is so embarrassing. It seems driven by green opposition to fracking more than anything else. The other side don't like it, so the Right have to champion it. Truss wants to ban solar panels in farms, but fracking is fine?!!?!?!??!?!?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,982
    "New homes to be built with bars in windows to prevent tall people from falling out
    Developers attack Housing Department over health and safety drive

    Housebuilders are being forced to put steel bars across the first floor windows of new homes because civil servants believe that increasingly tall Britons are more likely to topple out and plunge to their deaths...." (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/21/new-homes-built-bars-windows-prevent-tall-people-falling/
  • Andy_JS said:

    "New homes to be built with bars in windows to prevent tall people from falling out
    Developers attack Housing Department over health and safety drive

    Housebuilders are being forced to put steel bars across the first floor windows of new homes because civil servants believe that increasingly tall Britons are more likely to topple out and plunge to their deaths...." (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/21/new-homes-built-bars-windows-prevent-tall-people-falling/

    Oh FGS. This is genuinely moronic.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,422
    If the boss of Cuadrilla is saying fracking won't work then there's not much worry about it I'd have thought. A few exploratory wells that don't yield anything. Some humming and harring followed eventually by a restoration phase
    https://drillordrop.com/2019/07/10/site-restoration-underway-at-tinker-lane/

    With the frackers out of pocket.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,009
    Andy_JS said:

    "New homes to be built with bars in windows to prevent tall people from falling out
    Developers attack Housing Department over health and safety drive

    Housebuilders are being forced to put steel bars across the first floor windows of new homes because civil servants believe that increasingly tall Britons are more likely to topple out and plunge to their deaths...." (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/21/new-homes-built-bars-windows-prevent-tall-people-falling/

    Needed in Russia. Here? Not so much....
  • JRM calls out critics of fracking as "Luddites".

    Imagine being called out as a Luddite by Jacob Rees Mogg. 😂

    Of course the original Luddites were a reform group not a anti -technology group - they just got a bad press -
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,109
    Rees-Mogg coming under attack from Tory MPs over fracking. Veteran backbencher Greg Knight says:
    “Is he aware the safety of the public is not a currency on which some of us choose to speculate?”
    ❤️‍🔥

    That Sir Greg Knight burn in full. https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1572893855858688000/video/1
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,009
    edited September 2022

    Scott_xP said:

    The Scottish Government lays down the law to Liz Truss: it won't be issuing any fracking licences in Scotland. https://twitter.com/MathesonMichael/status/1572883887931461635

    I just find it bizarre that the Truss Cabinet think fracking is the answer to everything. It's very unpopular, e.g. https://yougov.co.uk/topics/science/trackers/should-britain-start-extracting-shale-gas It's even more unpopular with the people in affected areas. It's not a sensible long-term solution to energy needs, unless you're a full-on climate change denialist. There's not enough that can come quickly enough to be a sensible short-term solution to the current energy crisis. It reeks of being a Hail Mary pass, as the Americans say.
    Whereas pushing for tidal lagoons for your power....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    Phil said:

    Meghan update.
    A week is a long time in the holding hands is bad > not holding hands is bad dialectic.


    Can you imagine how soul destroying it must be to have to write this shit?
    I think you have to be desperate to work for the Mail surely, there is no other reason you would?
    The Mail pays better than any other newspaper. And it gets more visitors than any other equivalent news website in the English language bar the NYT

    The Meghan story is designed to be clicked and shared. As has been done on here multiple times. Each time you do it, the Mail gets more money for its online ads. Kerching

    Muppets

    That's why I and other non muppets screenshot their shite.
    This in turn suggests that you personally were so scornful and derisory of the bile-spewing Mail that you... er..... went on to their website so you could carefully and diligently screenshot a webpage of the Mail, and then scrupulously "share it without linking"

    The Mail probably makes most of its profit from dimwit lefties like you

    There is a whole genre of these ludicrous stories from slower leftwingers. Roger has given us a few. I remember him saying "it has been brought to my attention there is an article in the Mail saying..."

    Like he had a team of staff below stairs, paid to go through their 19 copies of the Daily Mail delivered every morning. And then whenever they found an outrageous article they would cut it out with scissors and bring to Roger on a silver tray, so Roger could then claim he "didn't ever buy or read the Mail"
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,131

    The dial of public opinion has significantly shifted on this question, as people have learnt more and #nodebate has been broken

    There is no longer majority support for the Gender Recognition Act.
    https://thetimes.co.uk/article/1a28cbb2-39c6-11ed-a8ae-d2d57cd0511a




    https://twitter.com/MForstater/status/1572868972453761026

    From +36 to -7 is a huge swing.

    Massive own goal by so-called Trans Activists who have probably done more to harm trans people’s rights than all the so called “TERFs” put together (most of whom are not anti-Trans people).

    Judging from the teenagers in my family there is quite the backlash going on even among young people, and any political party that talks more about Trans rights than transport has probably already lost the attention of the voters. Happy to protect minority rights, but some of the demands from some Trans activists go well beyond what is deemed sensible or safe by a fair minded majority,
  • kjh said:

    Selebian said:

    Another day of feeling like crap. Have been ill all month, this latest 2nd round of head cold isn't clearing. Not helped by getting fitful sleep due to coughing, my fatigue levels keep finding exciting new highs :(

    Much how my wife and I felt in August when we had covid

    You need to be kind to yourself and rest as much as possible
    Just joined the covid club on Tuesday. Not too bad, one really nasty night of shivers. Your point about rest is well made, but tricky with three children, two of whom have also been poorly (we were a bit concerned about number three who is only 4 months old, for a bit, but he's better now).

    Glad to have avoided this pre-vaccination. Post vaccination, I'd have to say I've felt worse for longer with other viral infections, but it's still nasty enough.
    I was rather proud of being in the non COVID club, but joined the COVID club 2weeks ago after 3 days of partying in Spain at a weddings. I wasn't too ill at all but have a lingering cough.

    Annoyingly I was able to get my next jab just as I got covid. Now have to wait a month.
    I have seriously wondered if this is Covid. I test negative, I have the same known symptoms of things I have had before, so officially its not Covid.

    But - AIUI the overlap between modern Covid and winter snot is significant. And I am struggling to recall a time when I have been this bleugh for this long. My voice going hoarse to the point of barely being able to talk has only ever happened to me once before.
    One of the unfortunate legacy effects of Covid is that as soon as one is ill with anything whatsoever, they are immediately asked whether it's Covid and, if it's not, receive little/no sympathy.

    Yet Covid wasn't even in my top ten sick spells of my life – flu, gastroenteritis and norovirus were all far worse. I have even had the odd common cold that was worse.

    Maybe a test of true normality is when people are poorly, one just wishes them a speedy recovery, rather than urging them to take a covid test or quizzing them on details of their symptoms.

    Get well soon, fella.
    yes there are still covid obsessives out there - an overseas student coming to this country the other week aged 21 was freting about not wearing a mask when i met him for a tour of where i live
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,239
    Andy_JS said:

    "New homes to be built with bars in windows to prevent tall people from falling out
    Developers attack Housing Department over health and safety drive

    Housebuilders are being forced to put steel bars across the first floor windows of new homes because civil servants believe that increasingly tall Britons are more likely to topple out and plunge to their deaths...." (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/21/new-homes-built-bars-windows-prevent-tall-people-falling/

    Perhaps they are concerned that the Russian issues with window safety will spread to the U.K. ?
  • Union has become ‘decidedly less popular’ in Scotland, report finds

    The British Social Attitudes poll attempts to discover the prevailing feelings in the UK on a number of topics, Scottish independence among them.

    … the survey shows the shifting attitudes in Scotland through the years, with support for independence rising from 27% in 1999 to 33% in 2014 – in the weeks ahead of the referendum on Scottish independence – and eventually rising to 52% last year.

    The time series also showed a drop in support for devolution as the governing structure in Scotland, from 59% in 1999 to 50% in 2014 and a further drop to just 38% last year.

    Support for not having a Scottish Parliament has remained roughly at the same rate, falling from just 10% in 1999 to 8% last year, although the figure peaked at 17% in 2004, the survey suggested.

    The authors of the report, who included polling expert Professor Sir John Curtice, pointed to the 2014 referendum and Brexit as factors for the increase in support in the past decade.

    They said: “Since 2014 there has been a marked increase in the level of support for independence, and especially so since the EU referendum of 2016, after which leaving the UK became more popular than devolution for the first time.”

    “The Union has certainly become decidedly less popular north of the border.”

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/scotland-government-support-snp-scottish-parliament-b1027278.html

    Interesting perhaps that support for devolution has fallen. Does this mean that Nicola Sturgeon's genius is to deflect blame for any perceived failures of the Scottish Government she leads onto the constitutional question? Is there a paradox that the better the Scottish Government performs, the less need will be seen for independence?
    The beauty of the Scottish Social Attitudes Survey and the British Social Attitudes Survey is that they are a very long series of standardised questions, comparable over time. They are academic exercises and are not published with the aim of, for example, selling newspapers. They are serious works, not throwaway snapshots.

    What they tell us is that there are long-term societal trends underway. Devolution was incredibly popular in Scotland during the 80s and 90s, in the period culminating in the double ‘Yes’ votes in the September 1997 referendum. But what we have witnessed since is the long, slow decline in that devolution fervour, in favour of full sovereignty. To the stage we have reached now, where independence support has totally eclipsed devolution as the preferred constitutional endpoint.

    The status quo ante - abolishing the Scottish Parliament and returning to direct rule from Westminster - is as unpopular as ever, bubbling along below 10%. Which explains why none of the main political parties advocate it.

    The decline in support for devolution is primarily a problem for the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats: it is very much their baby. Neither seems to know what to do about the Scottish Question they used to so trumpet. Labour’s standard answer is to mumble something incoherent about ‘Gordon Brown’ every six months or so. If pressed, you might still find a Lib Dem willing to mention the word ‘federalism’, sotto voce. They don’t believe it themselves, so unsurprisingly fail to convince electors.
    Yes, I get the independence thing. What puzzles me is that normal politics has remained suspended for more than a decade; it is as if all that mattered down south was Brexit, say, and there was a short while when that was true.

    The most vocal pb Scot critic of the SNP is @malcolmg and while he rails against the Scottish Government, his main complaint is that it is not seriously seeking independence.

    This is what I mean by Nicola Sturgeon's genius. Even if Scots voters are unhappy with economic or industrial decline, or health, with some areas of Glasgow in particular having low life expectancies, Sturgeon has convinced voters that none of this is due to the Scottish Government's incompetence but is all Westminster's fault so that what is needed is independence. There is not even analysis of which extra powers needed would be gained by independence because, of course, if there were, then they could be acquired through devolution. Again, of course, this mirrors the campaign for (and against) Brexit but that has now faded.
    You're right about the failures; they constantly blamed on Westminster. But the successes (no laughing at the back) are also seen as contributing to the case for independence. Illogical but not ineffective. It's not really like Brexit in that regard, more like the EU's traditional 'more Europe' being the solution to any problem.
    Brexity Unionists: it’s patronising in the extreme to suggest that people voted for Brexit because they’re naive and were suckered into it by a relentless media campaign and the amplification of anti EU voices by the state broadcaster.

    Also Brexity Unionists: large numbers of Scots are naive suckers falling for Scottish government propaganda and the awe inspiring power of a single newspaper.

    However I salute your honesty about acknowledging the long term trend, unlike head buriers like HYUFD.
    I don't think either of those positions represents my views.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,422
    The key thing about fracking is that it is NOT relied upon by the Truss Gov't as the solution to our energy needs seeing as it's probably not going to work.
    The debate is in a different place to a few years ago when hope of hitting the famed "Bowland shale" was more optimistic.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,009
    Andy_JS said:

    "New homes to be built with bars in windows to prevent tall people from falling out
    Developers attack Housing Department over health and safety drive

    Housebuilders are being forced to put steel bars across the first floor windows of new homes because civil servants believe that increasingly tall Britons are more likely to topple out and plunge to their deaths...." (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/21/new-homes-built-bars-windows-prevent-tall-people-falling/

    Developers should say they will put them in - if so requested by Very Tall People.

    Read carefully between the lines and it says "Fuck off you stupid twats".
  • Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, what with all the death talk around, my children asked me the other day what arrangements I had made for my own funeral. I gave them a bit of a hard stare and pointed out that I was really not old at all and that other than wanting a proper Catholic funeral (no dreary mumbling in a crematorium) and a bloody good party after it, my main wish was to have lovely flowers from my garden on my coffin.

    Then Husband piped up to point out that money could be saved by using our Berlingo van to transport me. This van is utterly filthy, battered and smelly as it is used for outdoor adventures, moving belongings etc and the dog loves sleeping in it. It is a disgrace to the world of vehicles. I said very firmly that if there was any more talk of transporting me to my Maker in a shitey van, it wouldn't be my funeral we'd be arranging.

    Still I have decided to become a bit fitter and lose some weight. My big problem is that I adore pasta, bread and cheese. Which I suppose are now a no-no. Porridge for breakfast for me today.

    It is very dreary.

    Good for you with your new health kick. Eggs for breakfast will probably serve your goals better than porridge, and be a lot tastier.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606
    edited September 2022
    Cicero said:

    The dial of public opinion has significantly shifted on this question, as people have learnt more and #nodebate has been broken

    There is no longer majority support for the Gender Recognition Act.
    https://thetimes.co.uk/article/1a28cbb2-39c6-11ed-a8ae-d2d57cd0511a




    https://twitter.com/MForstater/status/1572868972453761026

    From +36 to -7 is a huge swing.

    Massive own goal by so-called Trans Activists who have probably done more to harm trans people’s rights than all the so called “TERFs” put together (most of whom are not anti-Trans people).

    Judging from the teenagers in my family there is quite the backlash going on even among young people, and any political party that talks more about Trans rights than transport has probably already lost the attention of the voters. Happy to protect minority rights, but some of the demands from some Trans activists go well beyond what is deemed sensible or safe by a fair minded majority,
    This is what my actual post-op Trans friend told me a couple of years ago

    "This TRA campaign is a disaster for trans people. I hate the radicals"

    She had to live for two years as a woman, and all the rest, before she got the op on the NHS. She abhors the notion of self ID
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,109
    Lab 40% (down 4), Con 30% (n/c), LibDems 13% (up 3), Greens 8% (n/c), @IpsosUK poll "There's no obvious sign of significant polling bounce for Liz Truss, new PM will hope recent events mean political honeymoon is delayed rather thn denied," @keiranpedley https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-conservative-poll-latest-ipsos-cost-of-living-economy-b1027351.html
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,009

    Andy_JS said:

    "New homes to be built with bars in windows to prevent tall people from falling out
    Developers attack Housing Department over health and safety drive

    Housebuilders are being forced to put steel bars across the first floor windows of new homes because civil servants believe that increasingly tall Britons are more likely to topple out and plunge to their deaths...." (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/21/new-homes-built-bars-windows-prevent-tall-people-falling/

    Oh FGS. This is genuinely moronic.
    C'mon, Liz. Step in and say "stop being so silly".

    You don't HAVE to be unpopular. Do some stuff where people say "quite right too."
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 22,436
    edited September 2022
    Pulpstar said:

    If the boss of Cuadrilla is saying fracking won't work then there's not much worry about it I'd have thought. A few exploratory wells that don't yield anything. Some humming and harring followed eventually by a restoration phase
    https://drillordrop.com/2019/07/10/site-restoration-underway-at-tinker-lane/

    With the frackers out of pocket.

    Well this is basically my thought.

    If fracking isn't viable as some claim, then it won't be done. So it can be legal, but not done, what's the issue with that?

    If fracking is viable, then it shouldn't be banned.

    We don't need to ban that which isn't viable, just have it legal but undone by choice rather than diktat.

    Fracking should be treated like mining and other resource generation - subject to sensible standards, and if we can't economically do it in this country then so be it. But if we can, it should not be forbidden.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,690
    edited September 2022

    JRM calls out critics of fracking as "Luddites".

    Imagine being called out as a Luddite by Jacob Rees Mogg. 😂

    Its very odd. "We've had enough of experts" has become firmly entrenched in political piss-taking. Yesterday we had the boss Cuadrilla say that Fracking would not work in the UK. To back up all those geologists saying the same thing. Yet here comes Jacob insisting his zealotry is correct and the experts wrong.

    Not only do you actually have to produce something when you stake your policy on something like this, you have to deal with the massive backlash from punters. If fracking really was our salvation then I could understand the desire to press on. But it isn't...
    I listened to an engineer actively involved in fracking in the East Midlands on 5 live business this morning and he referred to Cuadrilla boss and said that in Lancashire he was correct, but in the East Midlands the rock strata is very different and there is potential for a huge amount of fracked gas and sold locally on the UK market avoiding the international gas market

    I do believe their is a lot of ill-informed nonsense being spoken by many who think they know but do not

    However @Richard_Tyndall is well worth listening to and I would be interested in his comments on the East Midlands sites
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,109

    Good for you with your new health kick. Eggs for breakfast will probably serve your goals better than porridge, and be a lot tastier.

    There is an article in The Times this week from a doctor saying if you want to lose weight eat bacon and eggs*

    *It is essentially advocating a low carb diet
  • Fracking won't happen. Some may remember that Cuadrilla tried to explore fracking possibilities in Balcombe, West Sussex, 10 years ago. The protests, both from local residents and from environmental activists, brought it to an end pretty quickly. It's not just the fear of earthquakes etc. - it's also the huge disruption on the roads etc.

    Unless I'm mistaken, most fracking potential is in areas served by Tory MPs. It might appeal to them in theory; in practice, when their constituents express their views, they'll back down pretty quickly. And no, a bit of bribery won't help - Balcombe residents would not have said 'go on then' if they'd been offered money off their energy bills.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,580
    edited September 2022

    Andy_JS said:

    "New homes to be built with bars in windows to prevent tall people from falling out
    Developers attack Housing Department over health and safety drive

    Housebuilders are being forced to put steel bars across the first floor windows of new homes because civil servants believe that increasingly tall Britons are more likely to topple out and plunge to their deaths...." (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/21/new-homes-built-bars-windows-prevent-tall-people-falling/

    Oh FGS. This is genuinely moronic.
    C'mon, Liz. Step in and say "stop being so silly".

    You don't HAVE to be unpopular. Do some stuff where people say "quite right too."
    Yes, the Conservative Government needs to step in and stop the mad health and safety rules being issued by... (checks notes) the Conservative Government.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,109
    The founder of *checks notes* a fracking company, says fracking won't work in the UK.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/21/fracking-wont-work-uk-founder-chris-cornelius-cuadrilla
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,175
    edited September 2022

    Andy_JS said:

    "New homes to be built with bars in windows to prevent tall people from falling out
    Developers attack Housing Department over health and safety drive

    Housebuilders are being forced to put steel bars across the first floor windows of new homes because civil servants believe that increasingly tall Britons are more likely to topple out and plunge to their deaths...." (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/21/new-homes-built-bars-windows-prevent-tall-people-falling/

    Oh FGS. This is genuinely moronic.
    Smart move to take precautions against the consequences of an increasingly bleak future.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Lab 40% (down 4), Con 30% (n/c), LibDems 13% (up 3), Greens 8% (n/c), @IpsosUK poll "There's no obvious sign of significant polling bounce for Liz Truss, new PM will hope recent events mean political honeymoon is delayed rather thn denied," @keiranpedley https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-conservative-poll-latest-ipsos-cost-of-living-economy-b1027351.html

    What's behind that Labour-Lib Dem movement, I wonder.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,034
    Fascinating - and reassuring in a weird way - to see we’re back to the same cyclical debate about Scottish independence after the queens sad death. Even more fascinating is the constant back and forth from those pro Indy just backing the other one up.

    PoliticalBetting is back indeed. Just need HFUYD to mention his tanks next
  • Scott_xP said:

    The founder of *checks notes* a fracking company, says fracking won't work in the UK.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/21/fracking-wont-work-uk-founder-chris-cornelius-cuadrilla

    And people involved in aeronautic companies thought that having rockets landing and being reused wouldn't work either.

    The market works by different companies and different people having different views as to what does and does not work. All that is not forbidden should be allowed and some firms may find ways to economically achieve what other firms think can't be done.

    Set whatever standards are appropriate, same as any other form of mining etc, and let the market do its thing. If its not viable, it won't be done, but there's no reason for it to be forbidden.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Phil said:

    Meghan update.
    A week is a long time in the holding hands is bad > not holding hands is bad dialectic.


    Can you imagine how soul destroying it must be to have to write this shit?
    I think you have to be desperate to work for the Mail surely, there is no other reason you would?
    The Mail pays better than any other newspaper. And it gets more visitors than any other equivalent news website in the English language bar the NYT

    The Meghan story is designed to be clicked and shared. As has been done on here multiple times. Each time you do it, the Mail gets more money for its online ads. Kerching

    Muppets

    That's why I and other non muppets screenshot their shite.
    This in turn suggests that you personally were so scornful and derisory of the bile-spewing Mail that you... er..... went on to their website so you could carefully and diligently screenshot a webpage of the Mail, and then scrupulously "share it without linking"

    The Mail probably makes most of its profit from dimwit lefties like you

    There is a whole genre of these ludicrous stories from slower leftwingers. Roger has given us a few. I remember him saying "it has been brought to my attention there is an article in the Mail saying..."

    Like he had a team of staff below stairs, paid to go through their 19 copies of the Daily Mail delivered every morning. And then whenever they found an outrageous article they would cut it out with scissors and bring to Roger on a silver tray, so Roger could then claim he "didn't ever buy or read the Mail"
    It was a screenshot of a screenshot in a tweet you dimwit.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,034
    Scott_xP said:

    Lab 40% (down 4), Con 30% (n/c), LibDems 13% (up 3), Greens 8% (n/c), @IpsosUK poll "There's no obvious sign of significant polling bounce for Liz Truss, new PM will hope recent events mean political honeymoon is delayed rather thn denied," @keiranpedley https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-conservative-poll-latest-ipsos-cost-of-living-economy-b1027351.html

    The bounce won’t come. Standard Tories will be horrified at the “splash the cash” attitude and ask questions later stance that Truss is taking.

    There’s not a way back from here
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,580

    Pulpstar said:

    If the boss of Cuadrilla is saying fracking won't work then there's not much worry about it I'd have thought. A few exploratory wells that don't yield anything. Some humming and harring followed eventually by a restoration phase
    https://drillordrop.com/2019/07/10/site-restoration-underway-at-tinker-lane/

    With the frackers out of pocket.

    Well this is basically my thought.

    If fracking isn't viable as some claim, then it won't be done. So it can be legal, but not done, what's the issue with that?

    If fracking is viable, then it shouldn't be banned.

    We don't need to ban that which isn't viable, just have it legal but undone by choice rather than diktat.

    Fracking should be treated like mining and other resource generation - subject to sensible standards, and if we can't economically do it in this country then so be it. But if we can, it should not be forbidden.
    That seems like a sensible thing to say, but it's very dependent on what being "subject to sensible standards" means. That's why there's a debate, that's what one needs to address. In particular:

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to climate change?

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to the earthquake risk?

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to major building projects in rural areas?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,580

    Scott_xP said:

    Lab 40% (down 4), Con 30% (n/c), LibDems 13% (up 3), Greens 8% (n/c), @IpsosUK poll "There's no obvious sign of significant polling bounce for Liz Truss, new PM will hope recent events mean political honeymoon is delayed rather thn denied," @keiranpedley https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-conservative-poll-latest-ipsos-cost-of-living-economy-b1027351.html

    What's behind that Labour-Lib Dem movement, I wonder.
    Sampling error, a.k.a. statistical noise.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,473
    edited September 2022

    Pulpstar said:

    If the boss of Cuadrilla is saying fracking won't work then there's not much worry about it I'd have thought. A few exploratory wells that don't yield anything. Some humming and harring followed eventually by a restoration phase
    https://drillordrop.com/2019/07/10/site-restoration-underway-at-tinker-lane/

    With the frackers out of pocket.

    Well this is basically my thought.

    If fracking isn't viable as some claim, then it won't be done. So it can be legal, but not done, what's the issue with that?

    If fracking is viable, then it shouldn't be banned.

    We don't need to ban that which isn't viable, just have it legal but undone by choice rather than diktat.

    Fracking should be treated like mining and other resource generation - subject to sensible standards, and if we can't economically do it in this country then so be it. But if we can, it should not be forbidden.
    That seems like a sensible thing to say, but it's very dependent on what being "subject to sensible standards" means. That's why there's a debate, that's what one needs to address. In particular:

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to climate change?

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to the earthquake risk?

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to major building projects in rural areas?
    What was particularly revealing about RT's comments a few days ago was that the standards applied to frackers are, in general, only the bog standard generic legal ones - wildly less specific and restrictive than those applied very specifically to the oil and gas industry as a whole. Huge disparity.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    BBC;

    Sir John Gieve, who helped set interest rates between 2006 and 2009, predicts the Bank of England will raise interest rates by three quarters of a percentage point.

    That’s at the top end of expectations and would be the biggest rise since 1989.

    But Gieve, who was a member of the Bank’s rate-setting Monetary Policy Committee just before and during the worst months of the global financial crisis, tells the BBC he expects rates to rise further still.

    “I’m expecting interest rates to continue to rise in future meetings and I think the markets are generally expecting interest rates to rise to over 3% by the end of this year,” he says.

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Fascinating - and reassuring in a weird way - to see we’re back to the same cyclical debate about Scottish independence after the queens sad death. Even more fascinating is the constant back and forth from those pro Indy just backing the other one up.

    PoliticalBetting is back indeed. Just need HFUYD to mention his tanks next

    What strikes me is the mismatch between Ireland and GB, the lesson I would draw from NI seceding is Quite right, why have two different nations on one piddling little island?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,046
    .

    Fascinating - and reassuring in a weird way - to see we’re back to the same cyclical debate about Scottish independence after the queens sad death. Even more fascinating is the constant back and forth from those pro Indy just backing the other one up.

    PoliticalBetting is back indeed. Just need HFUYD to mention his tanks next

    If anyone here has tanks, can they please send them to Ukraine where they will be used as intended!
  • JRM calls out critics of fracking as "Luddites".

    Imagine being called out as a Luddite by Jacob Rees Mogg. 😂

    Its very odd. "We've had enough of experts" has become firmly entrenched in political piss-taking. Yesterday we had the boss Cuadrilla say that Fracking would not work in the UK. To back up all those geologists saying the same thing. Yet here comes Jacob insisting his zealotry is correct and the experts wrong.

    Not only do you actually have to produce something when you stake your policy on something like this, you have to deal with the massive backlash from punters. If fracking really was our salvation then I could understand the desire to press on. But it isn't...
    I listened to an engineer actively involved in fracking in the East Midlands on 5 live business this morning and he referred to Cuadrilla boss and said that in Lancashire he was correct, but in the East Midlands the rock strata is very different and there is potential for a huge amount of fracked gas and sold locally on the UK market avoiding the international gas market

    I do believe their is a lot of ill-informed nonsense being spoken by many who think they know but do not

    However @Richard_Tyndall is well worth listening to and I would be interested in his comments on the East Midlands sites
    I don't want it happening near me in the Midlands. So I guess I am now a NIMBY.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,473

    Scott_xP said:

    The founder of *checks notes* a fracking company, says fracking won't work in the UK.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/21/fracking-wont-work-uk-founder-chris-cornelius-cuadrilla

    And people involved in aeronautic companies thought that having rockets landing and being reused wouldn't work either.

    The market works by different companies and different people having different views as to what does and does not work. All that is not forbidden should be allowed and some firms may find ways to economically achieve what other firms think can't be done.

    Set whatever standards are appropriate, same as any other form of mining etc, and let the market do its thing. If its not viable, it won't be done, but there's no reason for it to be forbidden.
    But the standards applied to fracking are very different from those applied to the rest of the oil and gas industry - one of the many points which RT made a few days ago. Remarkably so.
  • Pulpstar said:

    If the boss of Cuadrilla is saying fracking won't work then there's not much worry about it I'd have thought. A few exploratory wells that don't yield anything. Some humming and harring followed eventually by a restoration phase
    https://drillordrop.com/2019/07/10/site-restoration-underway-at-tinker-lane/

    With the frackers out of pocket.

    Plenty to worry about if you are a Tory:
    1. Fracking put as a headline in the new self-sustainable energy policy. That it is not going to work creates rather large problems, especially when the industry says "this won't work", sneering ministers like Jacob Snooty say something dismissive about them, and then have to explain why industry was right all along
    2. Humming and Harring will be massively unpopular locally. Either they only drill in Labour seats, or they will lose drilled Tory seats to whichever party is the alternative. Remember that Davey will be able to do a big "I told you so" on this having been tagged by the Tories as the fool who will be shown to have been right.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,606

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Phil said:

    Meghan update.
    A week is a long time in the holding hands is bad > not holding hands is bad dialectic.


    Can you imagine how soul destroying it must be to have to write this shit?
    I think you have to be desperate to work for the Mail surely, there is no other reason you would?
    The Mail pays better than any other newspaper. And it gets more visitors than any other equivalent news website in the English language bar the NYT

    The Meghan story is designed to be clicked and shared. As has been done on here multiple times. Each time you do it, the Mail gets more money for its online ads. Kerching

    Muppets

    That's why I and other non muppets screenshot their shite.
    This in turn suggests that you personally were so scornful and derisory of the bile-spewing Mail that you... er..... went on to their website so you could carefully and diligently screenshot a webpage of the Mail, and then scrupulously "share it without linking"

    The Mail probably makes most of its profit from dimwit lefties like you

    There is a whole genre of these ludicrous stories from slower leftwingers. Roger has given us a few. I remember him saying "it has been brought to my attention there is an article in the Mail saying..."

    Like he had a team of staff below stairs, paid to go through their 19 copies of the Daily Mail delivered every morning. And then whenever they found an outrageous article they would cut it out with scissors and bring to Roger on a silver tray, so Roger could then claim he "didn't ever buy or read the Mail"
    It was a screenshot of a screenshot in a tweet you dimwit.
    Ah the old "screenshot of a screenshot in a tweet". OK

    Another classic of the genre was also from Roger when he told us, "I was sitting in a cafe in Primrose Hill when I just happened to glance at a copy of the Daily Mail left by someone else"

    Cue a long quotation from the Daily Mail which, however, he never reads

    We should have a name for you guys. The Definitely Not Daily Mail Readers, No Sir, No Way

    As I said I suspect you constitute a large proportion of their profits. But the same goes for people exercised by the Wokiest Guardian articles "building sandcastles is racist" etc etc

    They can get me reading. But then I read the Guardian anyway, and don't pretend to deny it like a twat
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 22,436
    edited September 2022

    Pulpstar said:

    If the boss of Cuadrilla is saying fracking won't work then there's not much worry about it I'd have thought. A few exploratory wells that don't yield anything. Some humming and harring followed eventually by a restoration phase
    https://drillordrop.com/2019/07/10/site-restoration-underway-at-tinker-lane/

    With the frackers out of pocket.

    Well this is basically my thought.

    If fracking isn't viable as some claim, then it won't be done. So it can be legal, but not done, what's the issue with that?

    If fracking is viable, then it shouldn't be banned.

    We don't need to ban that which isn't viable, just have it legal but undone by choice rather than diktat.

    Fracking should be treated like mining and other resource generation - subject to sensible standards, and if we can't economically do it in this country then so be it. But if we can, it should not be forbidden.
    That seems like a sensible thing to say, but it's very dependent on what being "subject to sensible standards" means. That's why there's a debate, that's what one needs to address. In particular:

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to climate change?

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to the earthquake risk?

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to major building projects in rural areas?
    Thank you for saying its sensible and yes your questions are sensible too. My answers to your questions would be:

    Climate change: Similar rules and regulations should apply to imports etc - if gas can be imported for use, it should be able to be extracted domestically, which reduces our carbon emissions it doesn't increase them.

    Earthquake risk: It should have similar standards to alternative developments like seismic activity allowed to take place with regards to mining etc too.

    Building projects: It should have similar standards to other forms of development.

    Standards shouldn't be lower than they would be for alternatives, but they shouldn't be draconianly higher either.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,473
    edited September 2022

    Pulpstar said:

    If the boss of Cuadrilla is saying fracking won't work then there's not much worry about it I'd have thought. A few exploratory wells that don't yield anything. Some humming and harring followed eventually by a restoration phase
    https://drillordrop.com/2019/07/10/site-restoration-underway-at-tinker-lane/

    With the frackers out of pocket.

    Plenty to worry about if you are a Tory:
    1. Fracking put as a headline in the new self-sustainable energy policy. That it is not going to work creates rather large problems, especially when the industry says "this won't work", sneering ministers like Jacob Snooty say something dismissive about them, and then have to explain why industry was right all along
    2. Humming and Harring will be massively unpopular locally. Either they only drill in Labour seats, or they will lose drilled Tory seats to whichever party is the alternative. Remember that Davey will be able to do a big "I told you so" on this having been tagged by the Tories as the fool who will be shown to have been right.
    Some evidence that they are already losing Tory seats to the enemies, becausde of fracking* - e.g. local government, Warton went a week or two back, and another one in a fracking area (I forget the name).

    *Correlation, rather than proven causation. But it will not reassure the backbenchers.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Years ago, we had a GP who had a brilliant system. You could make appointments to see him. But for a set period every day you could just turn up and wait to see him. So if there were loads of people in the waiting room, you could wait or come back another day. But if you waited you knew that you would get to see him.

    Then he retired.

    Why practices don't have something similar, I don't know.

    I used to see a GP, a doctor of the old school, who did exactly this and it seemed to work very well. But alas he also retired (and recently passed away and was much mourned).

    Now the village where I live has two GP surgeries with three partners per practice and a rotating cast of trainee GPs, usually one or two per practice. So 8-10 GPs for a population of 4500. And it takes 3-6 weeks to get even a phone appointment because all the partners, every single one of them, works part-time.

    One partner works two days a week and drives a £70,000 electric Jaguar, which I suspect says all that needs to be said about GP's pay.
    They work part time and then retire in their 50s.

    Pay them less and they'll work full time until 67.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,580
    IshmaelZ said:

    Fascinating - and reassuring in a weird way - to see we’re back to the same cyclical debate about Scottish independence after the queens sad death. Even more fascinating is the constant back and forth from those pro Indy just backing the other one up.

    PoliticalBetting is back indeed. Just need HFUYD to mention his tanks next

    What strikes me is the mismatch between Ireland and GB, the lesson I would draw from NI seceding is Quite right, why have two different nations on one piddling little island?
    Piddling? Little? Ireland is the 20th largest island in the world. It's bigger than several other islands split across more than one nation (like Hispaniola, Isla Grande de Tierra del Fuego, Timor and of course Hans Island).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,377
    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Phone call triage works. If you need to attend in person that usually happens quickly after the phone call. My wife and I have positive experience of email first, receive phone call and then attend in person.

    But the phone call isn't until 2 weeks after you are sick

    How is that good triage?
    You are just being plainly ridiculous

    The triage system our practice uses results in a phone call from the practice that day and if not the day after where you are triaged and either the practice nurse, pharmacists, physio or doctor contacts you

    It is unfortunate you give the constant impression you actually want everything to fail in a desperate and ill fated hope that somehow will see us re joining the EU
    He is not being ridiculous and raises valid questions. On the 3 occasions in the last 2 years when I have needed antibiotics for serious infections which, if left untreated, could have killed me, I could not get even a call from the GP let alone a prescription within the day. And I had already waited hoping the infections would clear up by themselves. I had to go to A&E. A call let alone an appointment within 2 weeks would have been pointless.

    How much of the pressure on A&E is because of this? And bear in mind I went to A&E because the 111 helpline told me to. My instinct is to avoid burdening doctors unnecessarily.

    It is not clear how the Coffey proposals address this sort of problem. A lot of issues need early treatment and a two week wait does nothing for these.

    I think those who have adequate GP and/or A&E provision in their locale find it quite hard to imagine that is their good luck, rather than being universally representative of the system.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,733
    edited September 2022

    JRM calls out critics of fracking as "Luddites".

    Imagine being called out as a Luddite by Jacob Rees Mogg. 😂

    Its very odd. "We've had enough of experts" has become firmly entrenched in political piss-taking. Yesterday we had the boss Cuadrilla say that Fracking would not work in the UK. To back up all those geologists saying the same thing. Yet here comes Jacob insisting his zealotry is correct and the experts wrong.

    Not only do you actually have to produce something when you stake your policy on something like this, you have to deal with the massive backlash from punters. If fracking really was our salvation then I could understand the desire to press on. But it isn't...
    I listened to an engineer actively involved in fracking in the East Midlands on 5 live business this morning and he referred to Cuadrilla boss and said that in Lancashire he was correct, but in the East Midlands the rock strata is very different and there is potential for a huge amount of fracked gas and sold locally on the UK market avoiding the international gas market

    I do believe their is a lot of ill-informed nonsense being spoken by many who think they know but do not

    However @Richard_Tyndall is well worth listening to and I would be interested in his comments on the East Midlands sites
    The Misson site is not that far from me and I thought it was vaguely promising but that was only 15th hand rumours.

    We had a conventional gas field locally too which was found when drilling for oil. This was a bit of a surprise to the drillers and there was a massive blowout and fire, which needed Boots & Coots to come over from Texas to put out. Oops!

    These days it is only used as storage.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,884
    Scott_xP said:

    Good for you with your new health kick. Eggs for breakfast will probably serve your goals better than porridge, and be a lot tastier.

    There is an article in The Times this week from a doctor saying if you want to lose weight eat bacon and eggs*

    *It is essentially advocating a low carb diet
    If bread must be included, two poached eggs on two slices of dry toast from a supermarket sliced loaf is 300 calories, and filling enough. Keep eggs soft so that the yolk is the sauce, and sprinkle plenty of salt on top.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Fascinating - and reassuring in a weird way - to see we’re back to the same cyclical debate about Scottish independence after the queens sad death. Even more fascinating is the constant back and forth from those pro Indy just backing the other one up.

    PoliticalBetting is back indeed. Just need HFUYD to mention his tanks next

    What strikes me is the mismatch between Ireland and GB, the lesson I would draw from NI seceding is Quite right, why have two different nations on one piddling little island?
    Piddling? Little? Ireland is the 20th largest island in the world. It's bigger than several other islands split across more than one nation (like Hispaniola, Isla Grande de Tierra del Fuego, Timor and of course Hans Island).
    That's also what I think of all those other islands. And PNG.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,759
    IshmaelZ said:

    Fascinating - and reassuring in a weird way - to see we’re back to the same cyclical debate about Scottish independence after the queens sad death. Even more fascinating is the constant back and forth from those pro Indy just backing the other one up.

    PoliticalBetting is back indeed. Just need HFUYD to mention his tanks next

    What strikes me is the mismatch between Ireland and GB, the lesson I would draw from NI seceding is Quite right, why have two different nations on one piddling little island?
    The island of Timor says hi!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,046
    Did the US Democrats really spend $53m on Republican primaries, to try and find the most extreme opponents for them to face in November?

    That couldn’t possibly backfire massively on them, definitely not…

    https://nypost.com/2022/09/12/democrats-spend-53m-to-boost-far-right-gop-candidates/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,377
    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, what with all the death talk around, my children asked me the other day what arrangements I had made for my own funeral. I gave them a bit of a hard stare and pointed out that I was really not old at all and that other than wanting a proper Catholic funeral (no dreary mumbling in a crematorium) and a bloody good party after it, my main wish was to have lovely flowers from my garden on my coffin.

    Then Husband piped up to point out that money could be saved by using our Berlingo van to transport me. This van is utterly filthy, battered and smelly as it is used for outdoor adventures, moving belongings etc and the dog loves sleeping in it. It is a disgrace to the world of vehicles. I said very firmly that if there was any more talk of transporting me to my Maker in a shitey van, it wouldn't be my funeral we'd be arranging.

    Still I have decided to become a bit fitter and lose some weight. My big problem is that I adore pasta, bread and cheese. Which I suppose are now a no-no. Porridge for breakfast for me today.

    It is very dreary.

    Needn't be - though cutting out carbs is a serious pain.
    For example, a Caprese salad as a main meal rather than starter isn't dreary, is quite filling, and providing you don't go wild with the olive oil, you can eat quite a lot for not too many calories.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,228

    Scott_xP said:

    Lab 40% (down 4), Con 30% (n/c), LibDems 13% (up 3), Greens 8% (n/c), @IpsosUK poll "There's no obvious sign of significant polling bounce for Liz Truss, new PM will hope recent events mean political honeymoon is delayed rather thn denied," @keiranpedley https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-conservative-poll-latest-ipsos-cost-of-living-economy-b1027351.html

    What's behind that Labour-Lib Dem movement, I wonder.
    Sampling error, a.k.a. statistical noise.
    Yep. A few recent polls showed LDs losing out while Labour stayed still. So there's definitely no concerted Labour-Lib Dem swing.

    This pollster is one of the more generous to the Greens. 8% is way higher than most others, and it's been around the 7-8% mark on Ipsos for a while I think. Which all makes for a LLG score of 61%, at the top end of recent polls. Several others are at a more believable 57-58%.

    Though even that I think over-estimates the opposition parties. Recent council byelections, even if we discount the Bolton one, do not support a 10% Labour lead over Conservatives nor a 61% left of centre bloc.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,377
    Carnyx said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, what with all the death talk around, my children asked me the other day what arrangements I had made for my own funeral. I gave them a bit of a hard stare and pointed out that I was really not old at all and that other than wanting a proper Catholic funeral (no dreary mumbling in a crematorium) and a bloody good party after it, my main wish was to have lovely flowers from my garden on my coffin.

    Then Husband piped up to point out that money could be saved by using our Berlingo van to transport me. This van is utterly filthy, battered and smelly as it is used for outdoor adventures, moving belongings etc and the dog loves sleeping in it. It is a disgrace to the world of vehicles. I said very firmly that if there was any more talk of transporting me to my Maker in a shitey van, it wouldn't be my funeral we'd be arranging.

    Still I have decided to become a bit fitter and lose some weight. My big problem is that I adore pasta, bread and cheese. Which I suppose are now a no-no. Porridge for breakfast for me today.

    It is very dreary.

    Put some honey in it - I do!

    One question, if I may: what if it's winter? No flowers in the garden? (Have learnt, from practical experience as an executor, the risks of making stipulations in wills which might not be practicable whern the time comes...).
    Cold storage and wait for the snowdrops ?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,580

    Pulpstar said:

    If the boss of Cuadrilla is saying fracking won't work then there's not much worry about it I'd have thought. A few exploratory wells that don't yield anything. Some humming and harring followed eventually by a restoration phase
    https://drillordrop.com/2019/07/10/site-restoration-underway-at-tinker-lane/

    With the frackers out of pocket.

    Well this is basically my thought.

    If fracking isn't viable as some claim, then it won't be done. So it can be legal, but not done, what's the issue with that?

    If fracking is viable, then it shouldn't be banned.

    We don't need to ban that which isn't viable, just have it legal but undone by choice rather than diktat.

    Fracking should be treated like mining and other resource generation - subject to sensible standards, and if we can't economically do it in this country then so be it. But if we can, it should not be forbidden.
    That seems like a sensible thing to say, but it's very dependent on what being "subject to sensible standards" means. That's why there's a debate, that's what one needs to address. In particular:

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to climate change?

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to the earthquake risk?

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to major building projects in rural areas?
    Thank you for saying its sensible and yes your questions are sensible too. My answers to your questions would be:

    Climate change: Similar rules and regulations should apply to imports etc - if gas can be imported for use, it should be able to be extracted domestically, which reduces our carbon emissions it doesn't increase them.

    Earthquake risk: It should have similar standards to alternative developments like seismic activity allowed to take place with regards to mining etc too.

    Building projects: It should have similar standards to other forms of development.

    Standards shouldn't be lower than they would be for alternatives, but they shouldn't be draconianly higher either.
    Thanks for a detailed answer that generally avoids actually saying anything.

    Climate change: so, what should those standards be? We're meant to be Net Zero in 28 years. It is difficult to see fracking being consistent with that. How should Government implement reaching Net Zero? Is it sensible to say, on one hand, that we've made this commitment, while saying, on the other hand, that we want developers to open fracking wells, that typically run for 20-40 years? Will fracking licenses say, "No fracking past 2050"? The Government has not provided clarity on how it will achieve Net Zero, but that matters for developers of wells.

    Earthquake risk: the BGS says the earthquake risk is unpredictable, in a manner that is different from the risks from mining. Do you take a precautionary approach, as with the present rules, or do you wait for a big earthquake and only worry about it after the fact?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,009
    Putin really IS Billy No-mates. Even North Korea is slowly walking away, backwards...

    https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572825644551245825
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,209
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Phil said:

    Meghan update.
    A week is a long time in the holding hands is bad > not holding hands is bad dialectic.


    Can you imagine how soul destroying it must be to have to write this shit?
    I think you have to be desperate to work for the Mail surely, there is no other reason you would?
    The Mail pays better than any other newspaper. And it gets more visitors than any other equivalent news website in the English language bar the NYT

    The Meghan story is designed to be clicked and shared. As has been done on here multiple times. Each time you do it, the Mail gets more money for its online ads. Kerching

    Muppets

    That's why I and other non muppets screenshot their shite.
    This in turn suggests that you personally were so scornful and derisory of the bile-spewing Mail that you... er..... went on to their website so you could carefully and diligently screenshot a webpage of the Mail, and then scrupulously "share it without linking"

    The Mail probably makes most of its profit from dimwit lefties like you

    There is a whole genre of these ludicrous stories from slower leftwingers. Roger has given us a few. I remember him saying "it has been brought to my attention there is an article in the Mail saying..."

    Like he had a team of staff below stairs, paid to go through their 19 copies of the Daily Mail delivered every morning. And then whenever they found an outrageous article they would cut it out with scissors and bring to Roger on a silver tray, so Roger could then claim he "didn't ever buy or read the Mail"
    It was a screenshot of a screenshot in a tweet you dimwit.
    Ah the old "screenshot of a screenshot in a tweet". OK

    Another classic of the genre was also from Roger when he told us, "I was sitting in a cafe in Primrose Hill when I just happened to glance at a copy of the Daily Mail left by someone else"

    Cue a long quotation from the Daily Mail which, however, he never reads

    We should have a name for you guys. The Definitely Not Daily Mail Readers, No Sir, No Way

    As I said I suspect you constitute a large proportion of their profits. But the same goes for people exercised by the Wokiest Guardian articles "building sandcastles is racist" etc etc

    They can get me reading. But then I read the Guardian anyway, and don't pretend to deny it like a twat
    tl;dr: "I'm too childish to admit I was wrong; have some childish insults instead"

    as per usual
  • Scott_xP said:

    The founder of *checks notes* a fracking company, says fracking won't work in the UK.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/21/fracking-wont-work-uk-founder-chris-cornelius-cuadrilla

    I'll repeat my anecdote from a presentation at a fracking conference some year ago:

    "The cheapest shale gas in the UK will be LNG imported from the US"
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,759
    Nigelb said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Phone call triage works. If you need to attend in person that usually happens quickly after the phone call. My wife and I have positive experience of email first, receive phone call and then attend in person.

    But the phone call isn't until 2 weeks after you are sick

    How is that good triage?
    You are just being plainly ridiculous

    The triage system our practice uses results in a phone call from the practice that day and if not the day after where you are triaged and either the practice nurse, pharmacists, physio or doctor contacts you

    It is unfortunate you give the constant impression you actually want everything to fail in a desperate and ill fated hope that somehow will see us re joining the EU
    He is not being ridiculous and raises valid questions. On the 3 occasions in the last 2 years when I have needed antibiotics for serious infections which, if left untreated, could have killed me, I could not get even a call from the GP let alone a prescription within the day. And I had already waited hoping the infections would clear up by themselves. I had to go to A&E. A call let alone an appointment within 2 weeks would have been pointless.

    How much of the pressure on A&E is because of this? And bear in mind I went to A&E because the 111 helpline told me to. My instinct is to avoid burdening doctors unnecessarily.

    It is not clear how the Coffey proposals address this sort of problem. A lot of issues need early treatment and a two week wait does nothing for these.

    I think those who have adequate GP and/or A&E provision in their locale find it quite hard to imagine that is their good luck, rather than being universally representative of the system.
    While the disparity between GP practices has existed for as long as I can remember, it does seem that the abolition of Primary Care Trusts and the replacement by Doctor-run organisations has been a backward step. Thanks to Lansley and Cameron.
  • Andy_JS said:

    "New homes to be built with bars in windows to prevent tall people from falling out
    Developers attack Housing Department over health and safety drive

    Housebuilders are being forced to put steel bars across the first floor windows of new homes because civil servants believe that increasingly tall Britons are more likely to topple out and plunge to their deaths...." (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/21/new-homes-built-bars-windows-prevent-tall-people-falling/

    Oh FGS. This is genuinely moronic.
    C'mon, Liz. Step in and say "stop being so silly".

    You don't HAVE to be unpopular. Do some stuff where people say "quite right too."
    Yes, the Conservative Government needs to step in and stop the mad health and safety rules being issued by... (checks notes) the Conservative Government.
    What are the chances that this regulation never crossed a minister's desk first? Someone will have thought this up as a measure to potentially save a life, which is of course more important than letting people take decisions for themselves and occasionally earn a Darwin award.
  • Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Phil said:

    Meghan update.
    A week is a long time in the holding hands is bad > not holding hands is bad dialectic.


    Can you imagine how soul destroying it must be to have to write this shit?
    I think you have to be desperate to work for the Mail surely, there is no other reason you would?
    The Mail pays better than any other newspaper. And it gets more visitors than any other equivalent news website in the English language bar the NYT

    The Meghan story is designed to be clicked and shared. As has been done on here multiple times. Each time you do it, the Mail gets more money for its online ads. Kerching

    Muppets

    That's why I and other non muppets screenshot their shite.
    This in turn suggests that you personally were so scornful and derisory of the bile-spewing Mail that you... er..... went on to their website so you could carefully and diligently screenshot a webpage of the Mail, and then scrupulously "share it without linking"

    The Mail probably makes most of its profit from dimwit lefties like you

    There is a whole genre of these ludicrous stories from slower leftwingers. Roger has given us a few. I remember him saying "it has been brought to my attention there is an article in the Mail saying..."

    Like he had a team of staff below stairs, paid to go through their 19 copies of the Daily Mail delivered every morning. And then whenever they found an outrageous article they would cut it out with scissors and bring to Roger on a silver tray, so Roger could then claim he "didn't ever buy or read the Mail"
    It was a screenshot of a screenshot in a tweet you dimwit.
    Ah the old "screenshot of a screenshot in a tweet". OK

    Another classic of the genre was also from Roger when he told us, "I was sitting in a cafe in Primrose Hill when I just happened to glance at a copy of the Daily Mail left by someone else"

    Cue a long quotation from the Daily Mail which, however, he never reads

    We should have a name for you guys. The Definitely Not Daily Mail Readers, No Sir, No Way

    As I said I suspect you constitute a large proportion of their profits. But the same goes for people exercised by the Wokiest Guardian articles "building sandcastles is racist" etc etc

    They can get me reading. But then I read the Guardian anyway, and don't pretend to deny it like a twat
    Golly, you don't half think in clichés.

    If you want to spend the day convincing yourself that I'm forever hanging about a particular website, I'm happy to provide you with a distraction from your Putin engendered poopy pants.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,046

    Pulpstar said:

    If the boss of Cuadrilla is saying fracking won't work then there's not much worry about it I'd have thought. A few exploratory wells that don't yield anything. Some humming and harring followed eventually by a restoration phase
    https://drillordrop.com/2019/07/10/site-restoration-underway-at-tinker-lane/

    With the frackers out of pocket.

    Well this is basically my thought.

    If fracking isn't viable as some claim, then it won't be done. So it can be legal, but not done, what's the issue with that?

    If fracking is viable, then it shouldn't be banned.

    We don't need to ban that which isn't viable, just have it legal but undone by choice rather than diktat.

    Fracking should be treated like mining and other resource generation - subject to sensible standards, and if we can't economically do it in this country then so be it. But if we can, it should not be forbidden.
    That seems like a sensible thing to say, but it's very dependent on what being "subject to sensible standards" means. That's why there's a debate, that's what one needs to address. In particular:

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to climate change?

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to the earthquake risk?

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to major building projects in rural areas?
    Thank you for saying its sensible and yes your questions are sensible too. My answers to your questions would be:

    Climate change: Similar rules and regulations should apply to imports etc - if gas can be imported for use, it should be able to be extracted domestically, which reduces our carbon emissions it doesn't increase them.

    Earthquake risk: It should have similar standards to alternative developments like seismic activity allowed to take place with regards to mining etc too.

    Building projects: It should have similar standards to other forms of development.

    Standards shouldn't be lower than they would be for alternatives, but they shouldn't be draconianly higher either.
    Thanks for a detailed answer that generally avoids actually saying anything.

    Climate change: so, what should those standards be? We're meant to be Net Zero in 28 years. It is difficult to see fracking being consistent with that. How should Government implement reaching Net Zero? Is it sensible to say, on one hand, that we've made this commitment, while saying, on the other hand, that we want developers to open fracking wells, that typically run for 20-40 years? Will fracking licenses say, "No fracking past 2050"? The Government has not provided clarity on how it will achieve Net Zero, but that matters for developers of wells.

    Earthquake risk: the BGS says the earthquake risk is unpredictable, in a manner that is different from the risks from mining. Do you take a precautionary approach, as with the present rules, or do you wait for a big earthquake and only worry about it after the fact?
    There will be demand for gas, although diminishing, between now and 28 years time, and beyond I suspect. Surely it’s better that can be produced within the country rather than relying on unreliable and expensive imports? I don’t see how that is inconsistent with net zero because the alternative simply involves importing it.
  • Pulpstar said:

    If the boss of Cuadrilla is saying fracking won't work then there's not much worry about it I'd have thought. A few exploratory wells that don't yield anything. Some humming and harring followed eventually by a restoration phase
    https://drillordrop.com/2019/07/10/site-restoration-underway-at-tinker-lane/

    With the frackers out of pocket.

    Well this is basically my thought.

    If fracking isn't viable as some claim, then it won't be done. So it can be legal, but not done, what's the issue with that?

    If fracking is viable, then it shouldn't be banned.

    We don't need to ban that which isn't viable, just have it legal but undone by choice rather than diktat.

    Fracking should be treated like mining and other resource generation - subject to sensible standards, and if we can't economically do it in this country then so be it. But if we can, it should not be forbidden.
    That seems like a sensible thing to say, but it's very dependent on what being "subject to sensible standards" means. That's why there's a debate, that's what one needs to address. In particular:

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to climate change?

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to the earthquake risk?

    What are the "sensible standards" with respect to major building projects in rural areas?
    Thank you for saying its sensible and yes your questions are sensible too. My answers to your questions would be:

    Climate change: Similar rules and regulations should apply to imports etc - if gas can be imported for use, it should be able to be extracted domestically, which reduces our carbon emissions it doesn't increase them.

    Earthquake risk: It should have similar standards to alternative developments like seismic activity allowed to take place with regards to mining etc too.

    Building projects: It should have similar standards to other forms of development.

    Standards shouldn't be lower than they would be for alternatives, but they shouldn't be draconianly higher either.
    Thanks for a detailed answer that generally avoids actually saying anything.

    Climate change: so, what should those standards be? We're meant to be Net Zero in 28 years. It is difficult to see fracking being consistent with that. How should Government implement reaching Net Zero? Is it sensible to say, on one hand, that we've made this commitment, while saying, on the other hand, that we want developers to open fracking wells, that typically run for 20-40 years? Will fracking licenses say, "No fracking past 2050"? The Government has not provided clarity on how it will achieve Net Zero, but that matters for developers of wells.

    Earthquake risk: the BGS says the earthquake risk is unpredictable, in a manner that is different from the risks from mining. Do you take a precautionary approach, as with the present rules, or do you wait for a big earthquake and only worry about it after the fact?
    Climate Change: Net Zero should be reached by reducing demand, not supply. Demand being met by Qatari imports instead of domestically produced gas makes no improvement whatsoever to the climate, demand not existing does make a difference. Net zero doesn't mean zero production even post-2050.

    Earthquake risk: If it were up to me, I would predominantly deal with it after the fact, but require firms involved to demonstrate appropriate liability insurance that covers that, if they're proven to cause one. If they're unable to find insurance, then they won't be able to trade, same as any other firm. If they have the relevant insurance to appropriate standards then the liability risk is covered.
  • Scott_xP said:

    Lab 40% (down 4), Con 30% (n/c), LibDems 13% (up 3), Greens 8% (n/c), @IpsosUK poll "There's no obvious sign of significant polling bounce for Liz Truss, new PM will hope recent events mean political honeymoon is delayed rather thn denied," @keiranpedley https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-conservative-poll-latest-ipsos-cost-of-living-economy-b1027351.html

    What's behind that Labour-Lib Dem movement, I wonder.
    Lab -> Con in the Red Wall

    Con -> LD in the Blue Wall

    Perhaps?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,377
    Stocky said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, what with all the death talk around, my children asked me the other day what arrangements I had made for my own funeral. I gave them a bit of a hard stare and pointed out that I was really not old at all and that other than wanting a proper Catholic funeral (no dreary mumbling in a crematorium) and a bloody good party after it, my main wish was to have lovely flowers from my garden on my coffin.

    Then Husband piped up to point out that money could be saved by using our Berlingo van to transport me. This van is utterly filthy, battered and smelly as it is used for outdoor adventures, moving belongings etc and the dog loves sleeping in it. It is a disgrace to the world of vehicles. I said very firmly that if there was any more talk of transporting me to my Maker in a shitey van, it wouldn't be my funeral we'd be arranging.

    Still I have decided to become a bit fitter and lose some weight. My big problem is that I adore pasta, bread and cheese. Which I suppose are now a no-no. Porridge for breakfast for me today.

    It is very dreary.

    I love porridge. if you are counting calories make with semi-skimmed milk and sprinkle with salt. No sweetener needed....
    For me, berries in the summer and homemade cranberry sauce in the winter.
    Strawberries are almost calorie free.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    kjh said:

    Selebian said:

    Another day of feeling like crap. Have been ill all month, this latest 2nd round of head cold isn't clearing. Not helped by getting fitful sleep due to coughing, my fatigue levels keep finding exciting new highs :(

    Much how my wife and I felt in August when we had covid

    You need to be kind to yourself and rest as much as possible
    Just joined the covid club on Tuesday. Not too bad, one really nasty night of shivers. Your point about rest is well made, but tricky with three children, two of whom have also been poorly (we were a bit concerned about number three who is only 4 months old, for a bit, but he's better now).

    Glad to have avoided this pre-vaccination. Post vaccination, I'd have to say I've felt worse for longer with other viral infections, but it's still nasty enough.
    I was rather proud of being in the non COVID club, but joined the COVID club 2weeks ago after 3 days of partying in Spain at a weddings. I wasn't too ill at all but have a lingering cough.

    Annoyingly I was able to get my next jab just as I got covid. Now have to wait a month.
    I have seriously wondered if this is Covid. I test negative, I have the same known symptoms of things I have had before, so officially its not Covid.

    But - AIUI the overlap between modern Covid and winter snot is significant. And I am struggling to recall a time when I have been this bleugh for this long. My voice going hoarse to the point of barely being able to talk has only ever happened to me once before.
    One of the unfortunate legacy effects of Covid is that as soon as one is ill with anything whatsoever, they are immediately asked whether it's Covid and, if it's not, receive little/no sympathy.

    Yet Covid wasn't even in my top ten sick spells of my life – flu, gastroenteritis and norovirus were all far worse. I have even had the odd common cold that was worse.

    Maybe a test of true normality is when people are poorly, one just wishes them a speedy recovery, rather than urging them to take a covid test or quizzing them on details of their symptoms.

    Get well soon, fella.
    yes there are still covid obsessives out there - an overseas student coming to this country the other week aged 21 was freting about not wearing a mask when i met him for a tour of where i live
    It is quite bizarre. I attended a hospital ward the other day where the rule was that one had to wear masks at all times (they handed out masks free, presumably because few brought one with them). I complied 100% with their rules, despite being surprised by them. Yet none of the in-patients wore a mask, and the nurses frequently removed their masks to converse with each other, as did many of the visitors. Presumably the aggregate effect of the masking was nil or close to nil.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 13,228

    IshmaelZ said:

    Fascinating - and reassuring in a weird way - to see we’re back to the same cyclical debate about Scottish independence after the queens sad death. Even more fascinating is the constant back and forth from those pro Indy just backing the other one up.

    PoliticalBetting is back indeed. Just need HFUYD to mention his tanks next

    What strikes me is the mismatch between Ireland and GB, the lesson I would draw from NI seceding is Quite right, why have two different nations on one piddling little island?
    The island of Timor says hi!
    We do tend to exaggerate how small GB and Ireland are, I think, because we compare our land area with a. France, our neighbour, and b. the USA, our younger offspring.

    By European standards both GB and Ireland are medium sized. Bigger than most other "proper" countries in the region. GB is bigger than Portugal, Switzerland, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Austria, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, all the former Yugo countries, all the Baltics, Belarus, all the Caucasus countries, Tunisia, Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon etc etc. Ireland is bigger than several of those too.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Scott_xP said:

    Lab 40% (down 4), Con 30% (n/c), LibDems 13% (up 3), Greens 8% (n/c), @IpsosUK poll "There's no obvious sign of significant polling bounce for Liz Truss, new PM will hope recent events mean political honeymoon is delayed rather thn denied," @keiranpedley https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-conservative-poll-latest-ipsos-cost-of-living-economy-b1027351.html

    The bounce won’t come. Standard Tories will be horrified at the “splash the cash” attitude and ask questions later stance that Truss is taking.

    There’s not a way back from here
    Can we expect hours of overanalysis of the future Liz bounce from G and Moon later today?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,096

    IshmaelZ said:

    Fascinating - and reassuring in a weird way - to see we’re back to the same cyclical debate about Scottish independence after the queens sad death. Even more fascinating is the constant back and forth from those pro Indy just backing the other one up.

    PoliticalBetting is back indeed. Just need HFUYD to mention his tanks next

    What strikes me is the mismatch between Ireland and GB, the lesson I would draw from NI seceding is Quite right, why have two different nations on one piddling little island?
    The island of Timor says hi!
    Grr.

    Ireland is not some piddling little island, it is the 20th largest island in the world.

    Anyway, there is an interesting quiz question about how many islands have de jure or de facto international borders on: I can offer:

    Ireland
    Timor
    Borneo (which I think is the only island to have two borders on)
    Hispaniola
    Tierra del Fuego
    Cyprus

    Anyone add any others?
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