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  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Cookie said:

    MattW said:

    Cookie said:

    kle4 said:

    Eight people?!

    In fact, there has been escalating use of lying in state in America — with eight people doing so in Washington since 2018 — whilst this is only the second such British ceremony since Winston Churchill in 1965. It is today *mostly an American occurrence.*

    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1571504089934053376?cxt=HHwWgIC-uZipjc8rAAAA

    I'd also add that the Americans are obsessed by queuing. They will do it for hours for anything from getting into a good barbeque place to casting a vote.

    Americans are NOT in the same league as Brits when it comes to standing in line (the words "queue" and "queuing being virtually unknown to Americans who are NOT either English majors OR super-fans of PBS).

    For example, in USA people will wait in a sort of line to board a bus, but it will be NOTHING as organized (or as respected) as in UK.
    The bus queue is the one most frequently cited. But in my experience, bus queues more often than not tend to operate more like barber queues. A lot of people wait around - it is your duty when you turn up to note the order of everyone's arrival and board the bus in that order. But there is rarely a 'line' as such.

    The true British genius for queuing can be observed where there are two separate queues for equally acceptable results - like people to serve you in a sandwich shop. Left unmarshalled, the British will naturally form one queue, the front person of which goes to whoever is next available. In my limited experience, that doesn't tend to happen abroad.
    That's an interesting contrast to "merge in turn" on the roads, which other countries call "zip queueing".

    On our roads this is terrible, with it being routine to see selfish drivers blocking a second lane to prevent all the road space being used, or closing the gap to 3cm to prevent someone from another lane merging in.
    Queues on roads are very different.
    Picture this: a motorway, lanes 2 and 3 are closed up ahead.
    Every time some arrogant fucker in the outside lane whizzes past the queue in lane 1 for half a mile, the kind soul who lets him cut in at the last minute is putting back not just himself but the long queue of drivers behind him who are doing the right thing.
    The people closing the gap to 3cm are rewarding the virtuous and punishing the wicked.

    These things would work a lot better with a bit more thought put into how the queuing will work.
    That is sooooo wrong it's embarrassing. The most efficient use of the road area available is to have two lanes, merging at the last possible moment. I am the arrogant fucker because I understand traffic theory.

    Best LOL of all time: the other day I did about 2 miles of arrogant prickery to find when I got to the top that the 2 to 1 reduction had been sorted out and no longer existed; they just hadn't got as far as removing the signs. Think about the implications of that.
    I know a fair bit about this, and I know how to use road space efficiently. But highways management is about more than just efficient use of highway - otherwise we'd have no signals at all - it's about ensuring all parties are abke to make some progress, rather than some arrogant fuckers making all the progress and the majority crawling along at almost no speed.
    The majority is crawlin cos dey is fick innit.
  • Cyclefree said:

    Based on this list -

    - female
    - Mother long-lived & kept her marbles; father died young but all the females in his family were exceptionally long-lived & became wildly eccentric in later years
    - don't smoke
    - married with 3 children & on good terms with pretty much everyone
    - Catholic
    - Still working & interested in lots of stuff
    - Reasonably active with gardening but could do more on that front

    Need to lose weight & have shit lungs and peculiar blood. But have managed to dodge Covid so maybe have something going for me. I've had something like 11 ops in my life and survived some really very serious illness which nearly killed me in my 20's so I have sort of lived life backwards, in terms of health. So am vaguely hoping that my latter years will be healthier than my younger years. Probably foolish.

    I would only add one thing to this list.

    A day without laughter is a day wasted.

    I come here for the laughs.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 1,055
    Toms asked: 'What is "healthy life" and what is moderate exercise.'

    Some years ago, Gretchen Reynolds (then at the New York Times, now at the Washington Post) provided a partial, but very useful, answer: Walk regularly, briskly -- and for most briskly means at least 60 steps a minute. (I've found that doing that controls my depression nicely, as well as giving me the well-known physical health benefits.)

    Recently she has been discussing the pluses of brief, more intense workouts. I try to get a little bit of that by running (all right, jogging) up stairs whenever I can.

    (There are, of course, even greater benefits from swimming and cross-country skiing. And both can be done, moderately.)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,732
    Cyclefree said:

    Based on this list -

    - female
    - Mother long-lived & kept her marbles; father died young but all the females in his family were exceptionally long-lived & became wildly eccentric in later years
    - don't smoke
    - married with 3 children & on good terms with pretty much everyone
    - Catholic
    - Still working & interested in lots of stuff
    - Reasonably active with gardening but could do more on that front

    Need to lose weight & have shit lungs and peculiar blood. But have managed to dodge Covid so maybe have something going for me. I've had something like 11 ops in my life and survived some really very serious illness which nearly killed me in my 20's so I have sort of lived life backwards, in terms of health. So am vaguely hoping that my latter years will be healthier than my younger years. Probably foolish.

    I would only add one thing to this list.

    A day without laughter is a day wasted.

    I agree.

    My mother had terrible lung problems from multi-drug resistant TB in the late 60s and came close to death at times despite the best treatment available at the Brompton. She was in her thirties at the time and had half a lung removed to control the disease and spent years in hospital.

    She is a sprightly 84 years old now, and only gave up tennis recently because her knee isn't up to it any more. So there is precedent to get over some things remarkably well.

  • pingping Posts: 3,282
    Foxy said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    On topic

    Great piece, although I would add, surely, unlimited private medical care is a factor?

    I doubt anyone in the Windsor family has ever had to fight like hell in a long telephone queue just to get an GP appointment at 8am.

    My mother’s experience of trying to access decent medical care over the last few years has been appalling.

    Eventiually she’s been able to get relevant tests done and, just now she’s had an emergency referral for a potential blood cancer diagnosis.

    Her life may well have been significantly shortened because she didn’t have access to the same sort of medical care that Windsors get.

    We’ll find out in a few weeks.

    @MSmithsonPB

    “Both my wife and I have had longstanding medical appointments scheduled for tomorrow put back even more because of the decision to make it a public holiday. I am furious”

    You have my sympathies, @MikeSmithson

    In fairness, as a counterbalance to both my post above, and your tweet - as a result of my mums emergency consultation on Friday, she’s been booked in for an emergency test tomorrow, at midday.

    At least some people/parts of the NHS are functioning normally.
    I am working normal hours tommorow. In my dept we were asked whether we wanted to, and a substantial majority voted to do so. We didn't think it appropriate to cancel long awaited appointments to mark the funeral. Quite a few patients have rebooked, but that is their choice. I expect it will be a fairly quiet and I will be able to slip into the waiting room for some of the highlights.
    Very decent of you and your colleagues.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 23,341

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Based on this list -

    - female
    - Mother long-lived & kept her marbles; father died young but all the females in his family were exceptionally long-lived & became wildly eccentric in later years
    - don't smoke
    - married with 3 children & on good terms with pretty much everyone
    - Catholic
    - Still working & interested in lots of stuff
    - Reasonably active with gardening but could do more on that front

    Need to lose weight & have shit lungs and peculiar blood. But have managed to dodge Covid so maybe have something going for me. I've had something like 11 ops in my life and survived some really very serious illness which nearly killed me in my 20's so I have sort of lived life backwards, in terms of health. So am vaguely hoping that my latter years will be healthier than my younger years. Probably foolish.

    I would only add one thing to this list.

    A day without laughter is a day wasted.

    An hour without an awesome pun is an hour of all hour time wasted.
    Oh well done! A big smile on my face right now.

    I shall get you to smuggle City based puns into my drama.
    The Square Vile?

    (Bit harsh, but best I could come up with on short notice!)
    I have a title already and it is an awesome pun. But not revealing it here. There will of course be bonus episodes.

    Anyway, in our village the decision of the hour is whether to go to the pub formerly run by Daughter for a buffet in HMQ's honour. The new tenant is an unlikeable fellow (a bullshit merchant IMO) whose food is pretty crap. And I've done my socialising for the day.

    And I have invoices and VAT returns to do and other boring work-related stuff which I can get on with in peace and quiet. So I will send Husband instead to represent me.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,732
    ping said:

    Foxy said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    On topic

    Great piece, although I would add, surely, unlimited private medical care is a factor?

    I doubt anyone in the Windsor family has ever had to fight like hell in a long telephone queue just to get an GP appointment at 8am.

    My mother’s experience of trying to access decent medical care over the last few years has been appalling.

    Eventiually she’s been able to get relevant tests done and, just now she’s had an emergency referral for a potential blood cancer diagnosis.

    Her life may well have been significantly shortened because she didn’t have access to the same sort of medical care that Windsors get.

    We’ll find out in a few weeks.

    @MSmithsonPB

    “Both my wife and I have had longstanding medical appointments scheduled for tomorrow put back even more because of the decision to make it a public holiday. I am furious”

    You have my sympathies, @MikeSmithson

    In fairness, as a counterbalance to both my post above, and your tweet - as a result of my mums emergency consultation on Friday, she’s been booked in for an emergency test tomorrow, at midday.

    At least some people/parts of the NHS are functioning normally.
    I am working normal hours tommorow. In my dept we were asked whether we wanted to, and a substantial majority voted to do so. We didn't think it appropriate to cancel long awaited appointments to mark the funeral. Quite a few patients have rebooked, but that is their choice. I expect it will be a fairly quiet and I will be able to slip into the waiting room for some of the highlights.
    Very decent of you and your colleagues.
    We do get a day in lieu, so not complete martyrs!
  • Toms asked: 'What is "healthy life" and what is moderate exercise.'

    Some years ago, Gretchen Reynolds (then at the New York Times, now at the Washington Post) provided a partial, but very useful, answer: Walk regularly, briskly -- and for most briskly means at least 60 steps a minute. (I've found that doing that controls my depression nicely, as well as giving me the well-known physical health benefits.)

    Recently she has been discussing the pluses of brief, more intense workouts. I try to get a little bit of that by running (all right, jogging) up stairs whenever I can.

    (There are, of course, even greater benefits from swimming and cross-country skiing. And both can be done, moderately.)

    Yours truly is a regular walker (zero car for one thing).

    However, last time I tried walking as briskly as you suggest, I ended up tripping on uneven sidewalk and going ass over teakettle.

    Which messed me up, man . . . and slowed my pace to a crawl for some time . . .
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 1,055
    I get a smile nearly every day from the Far Side: https://www.thefarside.com/

    Even though I have seen most of Gary Larson's before.
  • Toms asked: 'What is "healthy life" and what is moderate exercise.'

    Some years ago, Gretchen Reynolds (then at the New York Times, now at the Washington Post) provided a partial, but very useful, answer: Walk regularly, briskly -- and for most briskly means at least 60 steps a minute. (I've found that doing that controls my depression nicely, as well as giving me the well-known physical health benefits.)

    Recently she has been discussing the pluses of brief, more intense workouts. I try to get a little bit of that by running (all right, jogging) up stairs whenever I can.

    (There are, of course, even greater benefits from swimming and cross-country skiing. And both can be done, moderately.)

    I'm not a good enough swimmer to swim moderately. I have the choice of either reaching the other end totally knackered or sinking.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 11,507
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Cookie said:

    MattW said:

    Cookie said:

    kle4 said:

    Eight people?!

    In fact, there has been escalating use of lying in state in America — with eight people doing so in Washington since 2018 — whilst this is only the second such British ceremony since Winston Churchill in 1965. It is today *mostly an American occurrence.*

    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1571504089934053376?cxt=HHwWgIC-uZipjc8rAAAA

    I'd also add that the Americans are obsessed by queuing. They will do it for hours for anything from getting into a good barbeque place to casting a vote.

    Americans are NOT in the same league as Brits when it comes to standing in line (the words "queue" and "queuing being virtually unknown to Americans who are NOT either English majors OR super-fans of PBS).

    For example, in USA people will wait in a sort of line to board a bus, but it will be NOTHING as organized (or as respected) as in UK.
    The bus queue is the one most frequently cited. But in my experience, bus queues more often than not tend to operate more like barber queues. A lot of people wait around - it is your duty when you turn up to note the order of everyone's arrival and board the bus in that order. But there is rarely a 'line' as such.

    The true British genius for queuing can be observed where there are two separate queues for equally acceptable results - like people to serve you in a sandwich shop. Left unmarshalled, the British will naturally form one queue, the front person of which goes to whoever is next available. In my limited experience, that doesn't tend to happen abroad.
    That's an interesting contrast to "merge in turn" on the roads, which other countries call "zip queueing".

    On our roads this is terrible, with it being routine to see selfish drivers blocking a second lane to prevent all the road space being used, or closing the gap to 3cm to prevent someone from another lane merging in.
    Queues on roads are very different.
    Picture this: a motorway, lanes 2 and 3 are closed up ahead.
    Every time some arrogant fucker in the outside lane whizzes past the queue in lane 1 for half a mile, the kind soul who lets him cut in at the last minute is putting back not just himself but the long queue of drivers behind him who are doing the right thing.
    The people closing the gap to 3cm are rewarding the virtuous and punishing the wicked.

    These things would work a lot better with a bit more thought put into how the queuing will work.
    That is sooooo wrong it's embarrassing. The most efficient use of the road area available is to have two lanes, merging at the last possible moment. I am the arrogant fucker because I understand traffic theory.

    Best LOL of all time: the other day I did about 2 miles of arrogant prickery to find when I got to the top that the 2 to 1 reduction had been sorted out and no longer existed; they just hadn't got as far as removing the signs. Think about the implications of that.
    If two well used lanes go into one the British psyche can cope with merging in turn. However the last time I encountered something like this was in light traffic on a dual carriageway. Most cars were in the inside lane but had ground to a halt about a mile away from the single lane start point. So hundreds of cars arriving at this queue opted to overtake, quite legitimately. However it impinges on the British sense of FairPlay that so many cars essentially queue jumped.
    But what they are doing is as follows: there's a bank with two counters open. Fifty customers have arbitrarily decided to queue for counter 1 leaving counter 2 unused. Then they get arsey when someone less stupid than they are walks up to counter 2.
    They weren’t stupid, rather they were caught out. The cars overtaking were doing so at speed, so stopping those on the inside getting out, even if they wanted to. You are right, simply tutting and remaining in the queue is your own fault, but the circs caused the issue.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 3,800
    edited September 2022
    Foxy said:

    Fishing said:

    An interesting thread, thanks. We have a number of posters with different areas of expertise here and it would be nice to read the occasional one about some random thing that people know a lot about, even if it's not directly and obviously related to political betting.

    Chilling out is another good tip. I've seen a study that says being under repeated and regular heavy stress shorterns your life by up to three years. Of course that's partly covered by no.3 - but arguably the antithesis of #2.

    I think not drinking to excess is certainly another tip. According to a random website: "One study found that people drinking more than 25 drinks a week have a shorter life expectancy by four to five years. Another study in Scandinavia concluded that people hospitalized for an alcohol use disorder had a lifespan that was 24 to 28 years fewer [sic] than the general population."

    I was wondering about religion too - whether its effect is explained through correlation with other variables. Religious people are I think significantly less likely to smoke and drink and more likely to get and stay married. So it isn't so much the belief in itself, rather that it is covered amongst the other pieces of advice you give.

    Alcohol is another tricky one, sometimes depicted as a U shaped curve with peak health amongst light drinkers, and worse in both teetotalers and heavy drinkers, but we do need to bear in mind that sometimes people become teetotal due to ill health.

    Good point. I think the left hand side of the U - lower consumption - is rather controversial, isn't it, but there's no doubt that knocking back a bottle of whisky and some beers every couple of days does many people a power of no good, is there?
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 1,055
    For ydoethur (and others):

    Two brothers moved out West and set up a cattle ranch, which became a success. A few year later, their father came out to visit them, and to admire the ranch.

    When he learned that they had not yet named their ranch, he thought for a few minutes, and suggested they name it "Focus".

    Why? Because that's where the sons raise meat.
  • I get a smile nearly every day from the Far Side: https://www.thefarside.com/

    Even though I have seen most of Gary Larson's before.

    "Knowing how it could change the lives of canines everywhere, the dog scientists struggled diligently to understand the Doorknob Principle."
  • Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Based on this list -

    - female
    - Mother long-lived & kept her marbles; father died young but all the females in his family were exceptionally long-lived & became wildly eccentric in later years
    - don't smoke
    - married with 3 children & on good terms with pretty much everyone
    - Catholic
    - Still working & interested in lots of stuff
    - Reasonably active with gardening but could do more on that front

    Need to lose weight & have shit lungs and peculiar blood. But have managed to dodge Covid so maybe have something going for me. I've had something like 11 ops in my life and survived some really very serious illness which nearly killed me in my 20's so I have sort of lived life backwards, in terms of health. So am vaguely hoping that my latter years will be healthier than my younger years. Probably foolish.

    I would only add one thing to this list.

    A day without laughter is a day wasted.

    An hour without an awesome pun is an hour of all hour time wasted.
    Oh well done! A big smile on my face right now.

    I shall get you to smuggle City based puns into my drama.
    The Square Vile?

    (Bit harsh, but best I could come up with on short notice!)
    I have a title already and it is an awesome pun. But not revealing it here. There will of course be bonus episodes.

    Anyway, in our village the decision of the hour is whether to go to the pub formerly run by Daughter for a buffet in HMQ's honour. The new tenant is an unlikeable fellow (a bullshit merchant IMO) whose food is pretty crap. And I've done my socialising for the day.

    And I have invoices and VAT returns to do and other boring work-related stuff which I can get on with in peace and quiet. So I will send Husband instead to represent me.
    "Itty Bitty City"?
  • Looks like the queue is shrinking. If those joining has fallen to a trickle there might be quite a few hours left before it is officially closed.
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    IshmaelZ said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Cookie said:

    MattW said:

    Cookie said:

    kle4 said:

    Eight people?!

    In fact, there has been escalating use of lying in state in America — with eight people doing so in Washington since 2018 — whilst this is only the second such British ceremony since Winston Churchill in 1965. It is today *mostly an American occurrence.*

    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1571504089934053376?cxt=HHwWgIC-uZipjc8rAAAA

    I'd also add that the Americans are obsessed by queuing. They will do it for hours for anything from getting into a good barbeque place to casting a vote.

    Americans are NOT in the same league as Brits when it comes to standing in line (the words "queue" and "queuing being virtually unknown to Americans who are NOT either English majors OR super-fans of PBS).

    For example, in USA people will wait in a sort of line to board a bus, but it will be NOTHING as organized (or as respected) as in UK.
    The bus queue is the one most frequently cited. But in my experience, bus queues more often than not tend to operate more like barber queues. A lot of people wait around - it is your duty when you turn up to note the order of everyone's arrival and board the bus in that order. But there is rarely a 'line' as such.

    The true British genius for queuing can be observed where there are two separate queues for equally acceptable results - like people to serve you in a sandwich shop. Left unmarshalled, the British will naturally form one queue, the front person of which goes to whoever is next available. In my limited experience, that doesn't tend to happen abroad.
    That's an interesting contrast to "merge in turn" on the roads, which other countries call "zip queueing".

    On our roads this is terrible, with it being routine to see selfish drivers blocking a second lane to prevent all the road space being used, or closing the gap to 3cm to prevent someone from another lane merging in.
    Queues on roads are very different.
    Picture this: a motorway, lanes 2 and 3 are closed up ahead.
    Every time some arrogant fucker in the outside lane whizzes past the queue in lane 1 for half a mile, the kind soul who lets him cut in at the last minute is putting back not just himself but the long queue of drivers behind him who are doing the right thing.
    The people closing the gap to 3cm are rewarding the virtuous and punishing the wicked.

    These things would work a lot better with a bit more thought put into how the queuing will work.
    That is sooooo wrong it's embarrassing. The most efficient use of the road area available is to have two lanes, merging at the last possible moment. I am the arrogant fucker because I understand traffic theory.

    Best LOL of all time: the other day I did about 2 miles of arrogant prickery to find when I got to the top that the 2 to 1 reduction had been sorted out and no longer existed; they just hadn't got as far as removing the signs. Think about the implications of that.
    I know a fair bit about this, and I know how to use road space efficiently. But highways management is about more than just efficient use of highway - otherwise we'd have no signals at all - it's about ensuring all parties are abke to make some progress, rather than some arrogant fuckers making all the progress and the majority crawling along at almost no speed.
    The majority is crawlin cos dey is fick innit.
    Try the following signage:

    "USE ALL LANES"

    then shortly before a lane is closed

    "MERGE IN TURN".

  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,460
    Icarus said:

    7). Gin and Dubonnet worked for The Queen Mother - she lasted even longer!

    We tried to find Dubonnet in Tesco for tomorrow. Unavailable.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 5,616
    kle4 said:

    I'm not doing too well on this list

    1) Parent dead at 45, and one at 72 (okish health)

    2) Not married or with kids

    3) Non-committal with family

    4) Athiest

    5) Snacking on junk food and sedentary

    6) Currently in work

    Based on that this might well be my final post before I pop my clogs.

    goodbye nice knowing you before you passed the use by date
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 47,042
    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Based on this list -

    - female
    - Mother long-lived & kept her marbles; father died young but all the females in his family were exceptionally long-lived & became wildly eccentric in later years
    - don't smoke
    - married with 3 children & on good terms with pretty much everyone
    - Catholic
    - Still working & interested in lots of stuff
    - Reasonably active with gardening but could do more on that front

    Need to lose weight & have shit lungs and peculiar blood. But have managed to dodge Covid so maybe have something going for me. I've had something like 11 ops in my life and survived some really very serious illness which nearly killed me in my 20's so I have sort of lived life backwards, in terms of health. So am vaguely hoping that my latter years will be healthier than my younger years. Probably foolish.

    I would only add one thing to this list.

    A day without laughter is a day wasted.

    An hour without an awesome pun is an hour of all hour time wasted.
    You’d better get working on one, then.
  • I do wonder about those cut off right at the end. If it lay with me I'd give as many them of possible seats in the Abbey, but then I'd have limited the alleged great and good from the rest of the world to make space for UK people, by ballot perhaps. There are clearly large numbers who want to be part of this extraordinary occasion; I would hope that as many as possible can in some way be enabled to feel part of it.

    Oh, and I could not have stood in line for days (or faced a trip into London), nor am I disabled in a way to justify a queue jump. I do not exactly mourn, but I do emphatically respect the memory of the Queen, whose reign I have happened to see both the start and end.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 47,042

    Toms asked: 'What is "healthy life" and what is moderate exercise.'

    Some years ago, Gretchen Reynolds (then at the New York Times, now at the Washington Post) provided a partial, but very useful, answer: Walk regularly, briskly -- and for most briskly means at least 60 steps a minute. (I've found that doing that controls my depression nicely, as well as giving me the well-known physical health benefits.)

    Recently she has been discussing the pluses of brief, more intense workouts. I try to get a little bit of that by running (all right, jogging) up stairs whenever I can.

    (There are, of course, even greater benefits from swimming and cross-country skiing. And both can be done, moderately.)

    Moderately difficult to do the latter in New York.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779
    edited September 2022
    Foxy said:

    ping said:

    Foxy said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    On topic

    Great piece, although I would add, surely, unlimited private medical care is a factor?

    I doubt anyone in the Windsor family has ever had to fight like hell in a long telephone queue just to get an GP appointment at 8am.

    My mother’s experience of trying to access decent medical care over the last few years has been appalling.

    Eventiually she’s been able to get relevant tests done and, just now she’s had an emergency referral for a potential blood cancer diagnosis.

    Her life may well have been significantly shortened because she didn’t have access to the same sort of medical care that Windsors get.

    We’ll find out in a few weeks.

    @MSmithsonPB

    “Both my wife and I have had longstanding medical appointments scheduled for tomorrow put back even more because of the decision to make it a public holiday. I am furious”

    You have my sympathies, @MikeSmithson

    In fairness, as a counterbalance to both my post above, and your tweet - as a result of my mums emergency consultation on Friday, she’s been booked in for an emergency test tomorrow, at midday.

    At least some people/parts of the NHS are functioning normally.
    I am working normal hours tommorow. In my dept we were asked whether we wanted to, and a substantial majority voted to do so. We didn't think it appropriate to cancel long awaited appointments to mark the funeral. Quite a few patients have rebooked, but that is their choice. I expect it will be a fairly quiet and I will be able to slip into the waiting room for some of the highlights.
    Very decent of you and your colleagues.
    We do get a day in lieu, so not complete martyrs!
    Even so, pretty shit for the patients elsewhere to lose their appointments. The Scottish Gmt made it clear they should be respected, for the sort of long term treatment you handle. I'm surprised anyone thought otherwise. Duty and all that.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 47,042
    For the first time ever the most advanced Russian main battle tank T-90M was captured by the Ukrainian army - presumably in #Kharkiv Oblast.
    This tank is also covered with Nakidka radar-absorbent and heat-insulating material.

    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1571531776178245635
  • This sounds promising after Truss's meeting with Irish PM Michael Martin the morning.

    Let us hope so anyway

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/18/liz-truss-micheal-martin-uk-ireland-brexit-talks-eu?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 5,616
    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    ping said:

    Foxy said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    On topic

    Great piece, although I would add, surely, unlimited private medical care is a factor?

    I doubt anyone in the Windsor family has ever had to fight like hell in a long telephone queue just to get an GP appointment at 8am.

    My mother’s experience of trying to access decent medical care over the last few years has been appalling.

    Eventiually she’s been able to get relevant tests done and, just now she’s had an emergency referral for a potential blood cancer diagnosis.

    Her life may well have been significantly shortened because she didn’t have access to the same sort of medical care that Windsors get.

    We’ll find out in a few weeks.

    @MSmithsonPB

    “Both my wife and I have had longstanding medical appointments scheduled for tomorrow put back even more because of the decision to make it a public holiday. I am furious”

    You have my sympathies, @MikeSmithson

    In fairness, as a counterbalance to both my post above, and your tweet - as a result of my mums emergency consultation on Friday, she’s been booked in for an emergency test tomorrow, at midday.

    At least some people/parts of the NHS are functioning normally.
    I am working normal hours tommorow. In my dept we were asked whether we wanted to, and a substantial majority voted to do so. We didn't think it appropriate to cancel long awaited appointments to mark the funeral. Quite a few patients have rebooked, but that is their choice. I expect it will be a fairly quiet and I will be able to slip into the waiting room for some of the highlights.
    Very decent of you and your colleagues.
    We do get a day in lieu, so not complete martyrs!
    Even so, pretty shit for the patients elsewhere to lose their appointments. The Scottish Gmt made it clear they should be respected.
    making it clear they should be respected and ensuring they are respected are two different things. The first is virtue signalling the second is doing something helpful. And for avoidance of doubt would say the samething about the uk governement doing the same
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Based on this list -

    - female
    - Mother long-lived & kept her marbles; father died young but all the females in his family were exceptionally long-lived & became wildly eccentric in later years
    - don't smoke
    - married with 3 children & on good terms with pretty much everyone
    - Catholic
    - Still working & interested in lots of stuff
    - Reasonably active with gardening but could do more on that front

    Need to lose weight & have shit lungs and peculiar blood. But have managed to dodge Covid so maybe have something going for me. I've had something like 11 ops in my life and survived some really very serious illness which nearly killed me in my 20's so I have sort of lived life backwards, in terms of health. So am vaguely hoping that my latter years will be healthier than my younger years. Probably foolish.

    I would only add one thing to this list.

    A day without laughter is a day wasted.

    An hour without an awesome pun is an hour of all hour time wasted.
    You’d better get working on one, then.
    Only to be expected of a pundit such as @ydoethur .
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779
    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    ping said:

    Foxy said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    On topic

    Great piece, although I would add, surely, unlimited private medical care is a factor?

    I doubt anyone in the Windsor family has ever had to fight like hell in a long telephone queue just to get an GP appointment at 8am.

    My mother’s experience of trying to access decent medical care over the last few years has been appalling.

    Eventiually she’s been able to get relevant tests done and, just now she’s had an emergency referral for a potential blood cancer diagnosis.

    Her life may well have been significantly shortened because she didn’t have access to the same sort of medical care that Windsors get.

    We’ll find out in a few weeks.

    @MSmithsonPB

    “Both my wife and I have had longstanding medical appointments scheduled for tomorrow put back even more because of the decision to make it a public holiday. I am furious”

    You have my sympathies, @MikeSmithson

    In fairness, as a counterbalance to both my post above, and your tweet - as a result of my mums emergency consultation on Friday, she’s been booked in for an emergency test tomorrow, at midday.

    At least some people/parts of the NHS are functioning normally.
    I am working normal hours tommorow. In my dept we were asked whether we wanted to, and a substantial majority voted to do so. We didn't think it appropriate to cancel long awaited appointments to mark the funeral. Quite a few patients have rebooked, but that is their choice. I expect it will be a fairly quiet and I will be able to slip into the waiting room for some of the highlights.
    Very decent of you and your colleagues.
    We do get a day in lieu, so not complete martyrs!
    Even so, pretty shit for the patients elsewhere to lose their appointments. The Scottish Gmt made it clear they should be respected.
    making it clear they should be respected and ensuring they are respected are two different things. The first is virtue signalling the second is doing something helpful. And for avoidance of doubt would say the samething about the uk governement doing the same
    Given it's a legal bank holiday, and NHS staff can't be treated worse than say the bin collectors who are leaving my bins for another 5 days, they can't do much more, but see this:

    https://news.stv.tv/scotland/nhs-scotland-services-to-continue-during-queens-funeral-but-government-warns-of-some-disruption
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,460

    Looks like the queue is shrinking. If those joining has fallen to a trickle there might be quite a few hours left before it is officially closed.

    ,"The Queue" even has its own Wikipedia page now.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,992

    Icarus said:

    7). Gin and Dubonnet worked for The Queen Mother - she lasted even longer!

    We tried to find Dubonnet in Tesco for tomorrow. Unavailable.
    Brexit?

    (Before anyone bites, I am joking.)
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 5,616
    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    ping said:

    Foxy said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    On topic

    Great piece, although I would add, surely, unlimited private medical care is a factor?

    I doubt anyone in the Windsor family has ever had to fight like hell in a long telephone queue just to get an GP appointment at 8am.

    My mother’s experience of trying to access decent medical care over the last few years has been appalling.

    Eventiually she’s been able to get relevant tests done and, just now she’s had an emergency referral for a potential blood cancer diagnosis.

    Her life may well have been significantly shortened because she didn’t have access to the same sort of medical care that Windsors get.

    We’ll find out in a few weeks.

    @MSmithsonPB

    “Both my wife and I have had longstanding medical appointments scheduled for tomorrow put back even more because of the decision to make it a public holiday. I am furious”

    You have my sympathies, @MikeSmithson

    In fairness, as a counterbalance to both my post above, and your tweet - as a result of my mums emergency consultation on Friday, she’s been booked in for an emergency test tomorrow, at midday.

    At least some people/parts of the NHS are functioning normally.
    I am working normal hours tommorow. In my dept we were asked whether we wanted to, and a substantial majority voted to do so. We didn't think it appropriate to cancel long awaited appointments to mark the funeral. Quite a few patients have rebooked, but that is their choice. I expect it will be a fairly quiet and I will be able to slip into the waiting room for some of the highlights.
    Very decent of you and your colleagues.
    We do get a day in lieu, so not complete martyrs!
    Even so, pretty shit for the patients elsewhere to lose their appointments. The Scottish Gmt made it clear they should be respected.
    making it clear they should be respected and ensuring they are respected are two different things. The first is virtue signalling the second is doing something helpful. And for avoidance of doubt would say the samething about the uk governement doing the same
    Given it's a legal bank holiday, and NHS staff can't be treated worse than say the bin collectors who are leaving my bins for another 5 days, they can't do much more, but see this:

    https://news.stv.tv/scotland/nhs-scotland-services-to-continue-during-queens-funeral-but-government-warns-of-some-disruption
    ok read it....not sure I see the point though.....it doesnt change mine in the least. If scottish NHS staff choose to watch the funeral rather than provide service then the scottish governement is virtue signalling by saying "it shouldnt be allowed to disrupt service" same as it would be if truss announced it.

    shouldn't is different to mustn't and we will take steps to ensure it won't
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 55,345
    edited September 2022
    Believe Truss is doing a reading at Westminster Abbey funeral service tomorrow
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649
    I was trying to think of a Royal highlight that is peculiarly British like The Queue and ive settled on the standing ovation for Alec Stewart scoring a century in his 100th test on the Queen Mums hundredth birthday.
    That was peak Royalty.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,393
    Is it still possible to join the Queue?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649

    Believe Truss is doing a reading at Westminster Abbey funeral service tomorrow

    Paul's letter to the Radio Times verses 6 to 12
    My favourite
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649
    Andy_JS said:

    Is it still possible to join the Queue?

    It is. After all this im going to start up Park Queues. A new obsession
  • kle4 said:

    Surprised there hasn't been more pouring over His Majesty's statement to faith leaders

    https://twitter.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1570824611104948225

    Pouring of scorn? Or poring. :lol:
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 20,393

    Andy_JS said:

    Is it still possible to join the Queue?

    It is. After all this im going to start up Park Queues. A new obsession
    I would definitely join it if I was anywhere near London. I'm going there on Tuesday ironically but can't move it forward.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Based on this list -

    - female
    - Mother long-lived & kept her marbles; father died young but all the females in his family were exceptionally long-lived & became wildly eccentric in later years
    - don't smoke
    - married with 3 children & on good terms with pretty much everyone
    - Catholic
    - Still working & interested in lots of stuff
    - Reasonably active with gardening but could do more on that front

    Need to lose weight & have shit lungs and peculiar blood. But have managed to dodge Covid so maybe have something going for me. I've had something like 11 ops in my life and survived some really very serious illness which nearly killed me in my 20's so I have sort of lived life backwards, in terms of health. So am vaguely hoping that my latter years will be healthier than my younger years. Probably foolish.

    I would only add one thing to this list.

    A day without laughter is a day wasted.

    An hour without an awesome pun is an hour of all hour time wasted.
    You’d better get working on one, then.
    I was working on ten, in the hope one would present itself as perfect for the moment.

    But sadly no pun in ten did.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 5,616

    Believe Truss is doing a reading at Westminster Abbey funeral service tomorrow

    psalms 137 - 8- p9 maybe

    or

    jeremiah 13:15 to 26

    or

    Isiah 13:9 to 16

    or

    judges 18: 1 to 27

    or.......
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,460
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is it still possible to join the Queue?

    It is. After all this im going to start up Park Queues. A new obsession
    I would definitely join it if I was anywhere near London. I'm going there on Tuesday ironically but can't move it forward.
    Yes if I was in London id have done the Queue. Even now. End is at Tower Bridge so getting shorter but could be closed any time I'd guess.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 17,927
    edited September 2022
    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Cookie said:

    MattW said:

    Cookie said:

    kle4 said:

    Eight people?!

    In fact, there has been escalating use of lying in state in America — with eight people doing so in Washington since 2018 — whilst this is only the second such British ceremony since Winston Churchill in 1965. It is today *mostly an American occurrence.*

    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1571504089934053376?cxt=HHwWgIC-uZipjc8rAAAA

    I'd also add that the Americans are obsessed by queuing. They will do it for hours for anything from getting into a good barbeque place to casting a vote.

    Americans are NOT in the same league as Brits when it comes to standing in line (the words "queue" and "queuing being virtually unknown to Americans who are NOT either English majors OR super-fans of PBS).

    For example, in USA people will wait in a sort of line to board a bus, but it will be NOTHING as organized (or as respected) as in UK.
    The bus queue is the one most frequently cited. But in my experience, bus queues more often than not tend to operate more like barber queues. A lot of people wait around - it is your duty when you turn up to note the order of everyone's arrival and board the bus in that order. But there is rarely a 'line' as such.

    The true British genius for queuing can be observed where there are two separate queues for equally acceptable results - like people to serve you in a sandwich shop. Left unmarshalled, the British will naturally form one queue, the front person of which goes to whoever is next available. In my limited experience, that doesn't tend to happen abroad.
    That's an interesting contrast to "merge in turn" on the roads, which other countries call "zip queueing".

    On our roads this is terrible, with it being routine to see selfish drivers blocking a second lane to prevent all the road space being used, or closing the gap to 3cm to prevent someone from another lane merging in.
    Queues on roads are very different.
    Picture this: a motorway, lanes 2 and 3 are closed up ahead.
    Every time some arrogant fucker in the outside lane whizzes past the queue in lane 1 for half a mile, the kind soul who lets him cut in at the last minute is putting back not just himself but the long queue of drivers behind him who are doing the right thing.
    The people closing the gap to 3cm are rewarding the virtuous and punishing the wicked.

    These things would work a lot better with a bit more thought put into how the queuing will work.
    That is sooooo wrong it's embarrassing. The most efficient use of the road area available is to have two lanes, merging at the last possible moment. I am the arrogant fucker because I understand traffic theory.

    Best LOL of all time: the other day I did about 2 miles of arrogant prickery to find when I got to the top that the 2 to 1 reduction had been sorted out and no longer existed; they just hadn't got as far as removing the signs. Think about the implications of that.
    I know a fair bit about this, and I know how to use road space efficiently. But highways management is about more than just efficient use of highway - otherwise we'd have no signals at all - it's about ensuring all parties are abke to make some progress, rather than some arrogant fuckers making all the progress and the majority crawling along at almost no speed.
    You are supposed to use both lanes (slowly) as far as possible then merge in turn at the end. The problem is that this is a recent introduction that is misunderstood by both motorists and even sometimes the police (based on dashcam clips) who will block one lane to stop what they see (under the old system) people flying down the outside to jump the queue.

    As with (see rant on last thread) the Highway Code changes to give priorities to pedestrians crossing at (some) junctions, the DoT has not publicised them enough so no-one has a clue what will happen (as opposed to should happen).
  • The state of modern journalism. The article claims Matt Hancock was spotted buying a "matt for his pedal bin".

    The actual item is a pedal bin, coloured matt.

    Is this stuff actually written by AI?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11224591/Matt-Hancock-spotted-shopping-DIY-store-Homebase-lover-former-aide-Gina-Coladangelo.html
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563
    Pagan2 said:

    Believe Truss is doing a reading at Westminster Abbey funeral service tomorrow

    psalms 137 - 8- p9 maybe

    or

    jeremiah 13:15 to 26

    or

    Isiah 13:9 to 16

    or

    judges 18: 1 to 27

    or.......
    Johnson asked for Proverbs 24:22.

    For Truss, surely Deuteronomy 32:28-35.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649
    The twenties. When plague swept in before the sadness consumed us all.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 20,039
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Surprised there hasn't been more pouring over His Majesty's statement to faith leaders

    https://twitter.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1570824611104948225

    He will be defender of faith as well as protector of the Anglican settlement
    No quarrel with that - looks great.
  • Nigelb said:

    For the first time ever the most advanced Russian main battle tank T-90M was captured by the Ukrainian army - presumably in #Kharkiv Oblast.
    This tank is also covered with Nakidka radar-absorbent and heat-insulating material.

    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1571531776178245635

    To be back in America before President Biden.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 5,616
    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Believe Truss is doing a reading at Westminster Abbey funeral service tomorrow

    psalms 137 - 8- p9 maybe

    or

    jeremiah 13:15 to 26

    or

    Isiah 13:9 to 16

    or

    judges 18: 1 to 27

    or.......
    Johnson asked for Proverbs 24:22.

    For Truss, surely Deuteronomy 32:28-35.
    euw no to boils she might show them us
  • Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is it still possible to join the Queue?

    It is. After all this im going to start up Park Queues. A new obsession
    I would definitely join it if I was anywhere near London. I'm going there on Tuesday ironically but can't move it forward.
    It hasn't officially closed yet but its shortening all the time.

    I wonder if they've "soft closed" it and its now difficult to get a new wrist band.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 18,992

    Believe Truss is doing a reading at Westminster Abbey funeral service tomorrow

    Our thoughts and prayers are with Boris Johnson in his moment of deepest heartache.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563
    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Believe Truss is doing a reading at Westminster Abbey funeral service tomorrow

    psalms 137 - 8- p9 maybe

    or

    jeremiah 13:15 to 26

    or

    Isiah 13:9 to 16

    or

    judges 18: 1 to 27

    or.......
    Johnson asked for Proverbs 24:22.

    For Truss, surely Deuteronomy 32:28-35.
    euw no to boils she might show them us
    Eh?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 11,219

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is it still possible to join the Queue?

    It is. After all this im going to start up Park Queues. A new obsession
    I would definitely join it if I was anywhere near London. I'm going there on Tuesday ironically but can't move it forward.
    Yes if I was in London id have done the Queue. Even now. End is at Tower Bridge so getting shorter but could be closed any time I'd guess.
    After Mrs Stodge and I enjoyed an excellent Brunch (by the time we had it, really "Blunch" or just "Lunch"), we saw the queue as we walked back over Blackfriars Bridge. Moving well but slowing down in the distance by Gabriel's Wharf on the way towards the National Theatre and Waterloo Bridge.

    I've never had the slightest interest in joining the queue. I respect those who have but it's not for me.
  • rcs1000 said:

    What did @Leon do to get banned?

    It might be my fault. Leon posted a cartoon and an AI image he said was better. The post was removed by "the mods". I disagreed with him, which led him to post a modified version of the same thing in an attempt to prove he was right.
  • Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Cookie said:

    MattW said:

    Cookie said:

    kle4 said:

    Eight people?!

    In fact, there has been escalating use of lying in state in America — with eight people doing so in Washington since 2018 — whilst this is only the second such British ceremony since Winston Churchill in 1965. It is today *mostly an American occurrence.*

    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1571504089934053376?cxt=HHwWgIC-uZipjc8rAAAA

    I'd also add that the Americans are obsessed by queuing. They will do it for hours for anything from getting into a good barbeque place to casting a vote.

    Americans are NOT in the same league as Brits when it comes to standing in line (the words "queue" and "queuing being virtually unknown to Americans who are NOT either English majors OR super-fans of PBS).

    For example, in USA people will wait in a sort of line to board a bus, but it will be NOTHING as organized (or as respected) as in UK.
    The bus queue is the one most frequently cited. But in my experience, bus queues more often than not tend to operate more like barber queues. A lot of people wait around - it is your duty when you turn up to note the order of everyone's arrival and board the bus in that order. But there is rarely a 'line' as such.

    The true British genius for queuing can be observed where there are two separate queues for equally acceptable results - like people to serve you in a sandwich shop. Left unmarshalled, the British will naturally form one queue, the front person of which goes to whoever is next available. In my limited experience, that doesn't tend to happen abroad.
    That's an interesting contrast to "merge in turn" on the roads, which other countries call "zip queueing".

    On our roads this is terrible, with it being routine to see selfish drivers blocking a second lane to prevent all the road space being used, or closing the gap to 3cm to prevent someone from another lane merging in.
    Queues on roads are very different.
    Picture this: a motorway, lanes 2 and 3 are closed up ahead.
    Every time some arrogant fucker in the outside lane whizzes past the queue in lane 1 for half a mile, the kind soul who lets him cut in at the last minute is putting back not just himself but the long queue of drivers behind him who are doing the right thing.
    The people closing the gap to 3cm are rewarding the virtuous and punishing the wicked.

    These things would work a lot better with a bit more thought put into how the queuing will work.
    That is sooooo wrong it's embarrassing. The most efficient use of the road area available is to have two lanes, merging at the last possible moment. I am the arrogant fucker because I understand traffic theory.

    Best LOL of all time: the other day I did about 2 miles of arrogant prickery to find when I got to the top that the 2 to 1 reduction had been sorted out and no longer existed; they just hadn't got as far as removing the signs. Think about the implications of that.
    I know a fair bit about this, and I know how to use road space efficiently. But highways management is about more than just efficient use of highway - otherwise we'd have no signals at all - it's about ensuring all parties are abke to make some progress, rather than some arrogant fuckers making all the progress and the majority crawling along at almost no speed.
    You are supposed to use both lanes (slowly) as far as possible then merge in turn at the end. The problem is that this is a recent introduction that is misunderstood by both motorists and even sometimes the police (based on dashcam clips) who will block one lane to stop what they see (under the old system) people flying down the outside to jump the queue.

    As with (see rant on last thread) the Highway Code changes to give priorities to pedestrians crossing at (some) junctions, the DoT has not publicised them enough so no-one has a clue what will happen (as opposed to should happen).
    No the merge in turn rules ONLY apply at low speed. The guidance specifically says not to do this at high speed. Highway Code rule 134.
    If you're going to inveigh against people not understanding the rules, helps if you know them yourself
  • Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    A new account will be arriving shortly, Sean, sorry Leon's replacement.

    Is doxxing an acceptable behaviour in your neck of the woods?
    The guiltiest poster when it comes to doxxing Leon, is Leon.
    I remember when one of [REDACTED] identities was banned, I joked that this would lead any new poster for the next three weeks to be suspected of being the next [REDACTED] sockpuppet. This led to a rather irritable reply from Mike, 'You can spot them a mile off.'

    I suspect that Leon's successor, if he does not in fact decide to apologise for whatever caused the problem and continue his merrily entertaining discussions of custom made flint sex toys, will be similarly easy to notice...
    Oh dear, what happened?
    Woke aliens kidnapped @Leon

    “I felt a great disturbance in the #Bullshit as if millions of @SeanTs suddenly cried out and were suddenly silenced”
    I gather it was Her Majesty's greatest regret that she never met him....
    *them
  • Nigelb said:

    For the first time ever the most advanced Russian main battle tank T-90M was captured by the Ukrainian army - presumably in #Kharkiv Oblast.
    This tank is also covered with Nakidka radar-absorbent and heat-insulating material.

    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1571531776178245635

    To be back in America before President Biden.
    LOL.

    Looks incredibly unsophisticated inside to be honest.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 17,927
    edited September 2022

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is it still possible to join the Queue?

    It is. After all this im going to start up Park Queues. A new obsession
    I would definitely join it if I was anywhere near London. I'm going there on Tuesday ironically but can't move it forward.
    Yes if I was in London id have done the Queue. Even now. End is at Tower Bridge so getting shorter but could be closed any time I'd guess.
    There was talk of ending the lying-in-state at 6am, and the queue takes around 12 hours from Tower Bridge, so it is now probably too late unless you have a shelf full of NTA trophies.

    ETA I'm wrong.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJxDwDzAwEs
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 5,616
    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Believe Truss is doing a reading at Westminster Abbey funeral service tomorrow

    psalms 137 - 8- p9 maybe

    or

    jeremiah 13:15 to 26

    or

    Isiah 13:9 to 16

    or

    judges 18: 1 to 27

    or.......
    Johnson asked for Proverbs 24:22.

    For Truss, surely Deuteronomy 32:28-35.
    euw no to boils she might show them us
    Eh?
    deutoronmy 32:28 - 35 is
    The LORD will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head.
  • Looks like the queue is shrinking. If those joining has fallen to a trickle there might be quite a few hours left before it is officially closed.

    ,"The Queue" even has its own Wikipedia page now.
    Queue time is now 8 hours says live Telegraph blog
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563
    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Believe Truss is doing a reading at Westminster Abbey funeral service tomorrow

    psalms 137 - 8- p9 maybe

    or

    jeremiah 13:15 to 26

    or

    Isiah 13:9 to 16

    or

    judges 18: 1 to 27

    or.......
    Johnson asked for Proverbs 24:22.

    For Truss, surely Deuteronomy 32:28-35.
    euw no to boils she might show them us
    Eh?
    deutoronmy 32:28 - 35 is
    The LORD will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head.
    No it isn't.

    '28Israel is a nation devoid of counsel,
    with no understanding among them.
    29If only they were wise, they would understand it;
    they would comprehend their fate.
    30How could one man pursue a thousand,
    or two put ten thousand to flight,
    unless their Rock had sold them,
    unless the LORD had given them up?
    31For their rock is not like our Rock,
    even our enemies concede.h
    32But their vine is from the vine of Sodom
    and from the fields of Gomorrah.
    Their grapes are poisonous;
    their clusters are bitter.
    33Their wine is the venom of serpents,
    the deadly poison of cobras.
    34“Have I not stored up these things,
    sealed up within My vaults?
    35Vengeance is Mine; I will repay.i
    In due time their foot will slip;
    for their day of disaster is near,
    and their doom is coming quickly.”
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 48,955

    Toms asked: 'What is "healthy life" and what is moderate exercise.'

    Some years ago, Gretchen Reynolds (then at the New York Times, now at the Washington Post) provided a partial, but very useful, answer: Walk regularly, briskly -- and for most briskly means at least 60 steps a minute. (I've found that doing that controls my depression nicely, as well as giving me the well-known physical health benefits.)

    Recently she has been discussing the pluses of brief, more intense workouts. I try to get a little bit of that by running (all right, jogging) up stairs whenever I can.

    (There are, of course, even greater benefits from swimming and cross-country skiing. And both can be done, moderately.)

    I'm not sure cross country skiing can be done moderately: that's some of the most cardiovascular intensive exercise in the world. The resting heart rates of those guys are insane - often dipping into the 20s.
  • Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Cookie said:

    MattW said:

    Cookie said:

    kle4 said:

    Eight people?!

    In fact, there has been escalating use of lying in state in America — with eight people doing so in Washington since 2018 — whilst this is only the second such British ceremony since Winston Churchill in 1965. It is today *mostly an American occurrence.*

    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1571504089934053376?cxt=HHwWgIC-uZipjc8rAAAA

    I'd also add that the Americans are obsessed by queuing. They will do it for hours for anything from getting into a good barbeque place to casting a vote.

    Americans are NOT in the same league as Brits when it comes to standing in line (the words "queue" and "queuing being virtually unknown to Americans who are NOT either English majors OR super-fans of PBS).

    For example, in USA people will wait in a sort of line to board a bus, but it will be NOTHING as organized (or as respected) as in UK.
    The bus queue is the one most frequently cited. But in my experience, bus queues more often than not tend to operate more like barber queues. A lot of people wait around - it is your duty when you turn up to note the order of everyone's arrival and board the bus in that order. But there is rarely a 'line' as such.

    The true British genius for queuing can be observed where there are two separate queues for equally acceptable results - like people to serve you in a sandwich shop. Left unmarshalled, the British will naturally form one queue, the front person of which goes to whoever is next available. In my limited experience, that doesn't tend to happen abroad.
    That's an interesting contrast to "merge in turn" on the roads, which other countries call "zip queueing".

    On our roads this is terrible, with it being routine to see selfish drivers blocking a second lane to prevent all the road space being used, or closing the gap to 3cm to prevent someone from another lane merging in.
    Queues on roads are very different.
    Picture this: a motorway, lanes 2 and 3 are closed up ahead.
    Every time some arrogant fucker in the outside lane whizzes past the queue in lane 1 for half a mile, the kind soul who lets him cut in at the last minute is putting back not just himself but the long queue of drivers behind him who are doing the right thing.
    The people closing the gap to 3cm are rewarding the virtuous and punishing the wicked.

    These things would work a lot better with a bit more thought put into how the queuing will work.
    That is sooooo wrong it's embarrassing. The most efficient use of the road area available is to have two lanes, merging at the last possible moment. I am the arrogant fucker because I understand traffic theory.

    Best LOL of all time: the other day I did about 2 miles of arrogant prickery to find when I got to the top that the 2 to 1 reduction had been sorted out and no longer existed; they just hadn't got as far as removing the signs. Think about the implications of that.
    I know a fair bit about this, and I know how to use road space efficiently. But highways management is about more than just efficient use of highway - otherwise we'd have no signals at all - it's about ensuring all parties are abke to make some progress, rather than some arrogant fuckers making all the progress and the majority crawling along at almost no speed.
    You are supposed to use both lanes (slowly) as far as possible then merge in turn at the end. The problem is that this is a recent introduction that is misunderstood by both motorists and even sometimes the police (based on dashcam clips) who will block one lane to stop what they see (under the old system) people flying down the outside to jump the queue.

    As with (see rant on last thread) the Highway Code changes to give priorities to pedestrians crossing at (some) junctions, the DoT has not publicised them enough so no-one has a clue what will happen (as opposed to should happen).
    No the merge in turn rules ONLY apply at low speed. The guidance specifically says not to do this at high speed. Highway Code rule 134.
    If you're going to inveigh against people not understanding the rules, helps if you know them yourself
    Yeah, when I said "slowly" I meant at low speed. But even if you missed that word, you missed the point because if both lanes are in use before a pinch point, speed will be low in both lanes rather than, under the old system, where one lane is barely crawling and the other lane empty except for the odd queue-jumper.


  • Nigelb said:

    For the first time ever the most advanced Russian main battle tank T-90M was captured by the Ukrainian army - presumably in #Kharkiv Oblast.
    This tank is also covered with Nakidka radar-absorbent and heat-insulating material.

    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1571531776178245635

    To be back in America before President Biden.
    LOL.

    Looks incredibly unsophisticated inside to be honest.
    It does indeed. The Pentagon will be all over the materials and software. In ww2, there were an awful lot of analytical chemists working on steel, fuel and oil from downed Luftwaffe fighters.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,732
    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    ping said:

    Foxy said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    On topic

    Great piece, although I would add, surely, unlimited private medical care is a factor?

    I doubt anyone in the Windsor family has ever had to fight like hell in a long telephone queue just to get an GP appointment at 8am.

    My mother’s experience of trying to access decent medical care over the last few years has been appalling.

    Eventiually she’s been able to get relevant tests done and, just now she’s had an emergency referral for a potential blood cancer diagnosis.

    Her life may well have been significantly shortened because she didn’t have access to the same sort of medical care that Windsors get.

    We’ll find out in a few weeks.

    @MSmithsonPB

    “Both my wife and I have had longstanding medical appointments scheduled for tomorrow put back even more because of the decision to make it a public holiday. I am furious”

    You have my sympathies, @MikeSmithson

    In fairness, as a counterbalance to both my post above, and your tweet - as a result of my mums emergency consultation on Friday, she’s been booked in for an emergency test tomorrow, at midday.

    At least some people/parts of the NHS are functioning normally.
    I am working normal hours tommorow. In my dept we were asked whether we wanted to, and a substantial majority voted to do so. We didn't think it appropriate to cancel long awaited appointments to mark the funeral. Quite a few patients have rebooked, but that is their choice. I expect it will be a fairly quiet and I will be able to slip into the waiting room for some of the highlights.
    Very decent of you and your colleagues.
    We do get a day in lieu, so not complete martyrs!
    Even so, pretty shit for the patients elsewhere to lose their appointments. The Scottish Gmt made it clear they should be respected.
    making it clear they should be respected and ensuring they are respected are two different things. The first is virtue signalling the second is doing something helpful. And for avoidance of doubt would say the samething about the uk governement doing the same
    Given it's a legal bank holiday, and NHS staff can't be treated worse than say the bin collectors who are leaving my bins for another 5 days, they can't do much more, but see this:

    https://news.stv.tv/scotland/nhs-scotland-services-to-continue-during-queens-funeral-but-government-warns-of-some-disruption
    There are practical problems with child care and transport, with schools and nurseries closed and public transport services reduced. Some staff simply couldn't work if they wanted to do so.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 8,112

    I am very pleased to report that the silence was properly respected in the pub that I am in 👍

    What was the silence? On telly, the queue stopped for a bit - then there was applause and cheering from outside. What was going on?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 8,304
    rcs1000 said:

    Toms asked: 'What is "healthy life" and what is moderate exercise.'

    Some years ago, Gretchen Reynolds (then at the New York Times, now at the Washington Post) provided a partial, but very useful, answer: Walk regularly, briskly -- and for most briskly means at least 60 steps a minute. (I've found that doing that controls my depression nicely, as well as giving me the well-known physical health benefits.)

    Recently she has been discussing the pluses of brief, more intense workouts. I try to get a little bit of that by running (all right, jogging) up stairs whenever I can.

    (There are, of course, even greater benefits from swimming and cross-country skiing. And both can be done, moderately.)

    I'm not sure cross country skiing can be done moderately: that's some of the most cardiovascular intensive exercise in the world. The resting heart rates of those guys are insane - often dipping into the 20s.
    Yes having watched people do it while doing downhill skiing my first thought is, why? Downhill is knackering enough when gravity helps. And where is the fun and fear.
  • Nigelb said:

    Toms asked: 'What is "healthy life" and what is moderate exercise.'

    Some years ago, Gretchen Reynolds (then at the New York Times, now at the Washington Post) provided a partial, but very useful, answer: Walk regularly, briskly -- and for most briskly means at least 60 steps a minute. (I've found that doing that controls my depression nicely, as well as giving me the well-known physical health benefits.)

    Recently she has been discussing the pluses of brief, more intense workouts. I try to get a little bit of that by running (all right, jogging) up stairs whenever I can.

    (There are, of course, even greater benefits from swimming and cross-country skiing. And both can be done, moderately.)

    Moderately difficult to do the latter in New York.
    Only IF you do not have skiis, not just in New York State (much of which is perfect for X-country) but even in New York City:

    https://www.centralpark.com/things-to-do/sports/cross-country-skiing/#:~:text=With 6" of snow, you,of the world's biggest cities.

    Plus other opportunities in NYC parks in other 4 boroughs.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649
    Cookie said:

    I am very pleased to report that the silence was properly respected in the pub that I am in 👍

    What was the silence? On telly, the queue stopped for a bit - then there was applause and cheering from outside. What was going on?
    8pm was set as a minutes silence and reflection
  • Cookie said:

    I am very pleased to report that the silence was properly respected in the pub that I am in 👍

    What was the silence? On telly, the queue stopped for a bit - then there was applause and cheering from outside. What was going on?
    8pm was set as a minutes silence and reflection
    Oh right, at 8pm I got my pots and pans out and started banging.

    Did I make a faux pas?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649

    Cookie said:

    I am very pleased to report that the silence was properly respected in the pub that I am in 👍

    What was the silence? On telly, the queue stopped for a bit - then there was applause and cheering from outside. What was going on?
    8pm was set as a minutes silence and reflection
    Oh right, at 8pm I got my pots and pans out and started banging.

    Did I make a faux pas?
    Usually, yes
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563

    Cookie said:

    I am very pleased to report that the silence was properly respected in the pub that I am in 👍

    What was the silence? On telly, the queue stopped for a bit - then there was applause and cheering from outside. What was going on?
    8pm was set as a minutes silence and reflection
    Oh right, at 8pm I got my pots and pans out and started banging.

    Did I make a faux pas?
    You and Mrs Eagles into kinky stuff, or is there a fairly significant 'them together' missing from that sentence?
  • ydoethur said:

    Cookie said:

    I am very pleased to report that the silence was properly respected in the pub that I am in 👍

    What was the silence? On telly, the queue stopped for a bit - then there was applause and cheering from outside. What was going on?
    8pm was set as a minutes silence and reflection
    Oh right, at 8pm I got my pots and pans out and started banging.

    Did I make a faux pas?
    You and Mrs Eagles into kinky stuff, or is there a fairly significant 'them together' missing from that sentence?
    Get your mind out of the gutter!
  • Cookie said:

    I am very pleased to report that the silence was properly respected in the pub that I am in 👍

    What was the silence? On telly, the queue stopped for a bit - then there was applause and cheering from outside. What was going on?
    8pm was set as a minutes silence and reflection
    'I was rendered speechless after looking in a mirror'
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563

    Cookie said:

    I am very pleased to report that the silence was properly respected in the pub that I am in 👍

    What was the silence? On telly, the queue stopped for a bit - then there was applause and cheering from outside. What was going on?
    8pm was set as a minutes silence and reflection
    'I was rendered speechless after looking in a mirror'
    Other way round. If it's silence and reflection, you lose the power of speech first then look in the mirror.
  • 'We've basically got to replicate the Biden strategy,' a senior Labour strategist told me. 'We need to convince people that we can get the country back to normal. That we can give everyone a break from the craziness.'

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11222807/After-Vladimir-Putins-war-Covid-election-won-offering-normality.html
  • MattWMattW Posts: 15,145
    edited September 2022

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Cookie said:

    MattW said:

    Cookie said:

    kle4 said:

    Eight people?!

    In fact, there has been escalating use of lying in state in America — with eight people doing so in Washington since 2018 — whilst this is only the second such British ceremony since Winston Churchill in 1965. It is today *mostly an American occurrence.*

    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1571504089934053376?cxt=HHwWgIC-uZipjc8rAAAA

    I'd also add that the Americans are obsessed by queuing. They will do it for hours for anything from getting into a good barbeque place to casting a vote.

    Americans are NOT in the same league as Brits when it comes to standing in line (the words "queue" and "queuing being virtually unknown to Americans who are NOT either English majors OR super-fans of PBS).

    For example, in USA people will wait in a sort of line to board a bus, but it will be NOTHING as organized (or as respected) as in UK.
    The bus queue is the one most frequently cited. But in my experience, bus queues more often than not tend to operate more like barber queues. A lot of people wait around - it is your duty when you turn up to note the order of everyone's arrival and board the bus in that order. But there is rarely a 'line' as such.

    The true British genius for queuing can be observed where there are two separate queues for equally acceptable results - like people to serve you in a sandwich shop. Left unmarshalled, the British will naturally form one queue, the front person of which goes to whoever is next available. In my limited experience, that doesn't tend to happen abroad.
    That's an interesting contrast to "merge in turn" on the roads, which other countries call "zip queueing".

    On our roads this is terrible, with it being routine to see selfish drivers blocking a second lane to prevent all the road space being used, or closing the gap to 3cm to prevent someone from another lane merging in.
    Queues on roads are very different.
    Picture this: a motorway, lanes 2 and 3 are closed up ahead.
    Every time some arrogant fucker in the outside lane whizzes past the queue in lane 1 for half a mile, the kind soul who lets him cut in at the last minute is putting back not just himself but the long queue of drivers behind him who are doing the right thing.
    The people closing the gap to 3cm are rewarding the virtuous and punishing the wicked.

    These things would work a lot better with a bit more thought put into how the queuing will work.
    That is sooooo wrong it's embarrassing. The most efficient use of the road area available is to have two lanes, merging at the last possible moment. I am the arrogant fucker because I understand traffic theory.

    Best LOL of all time: the other day I did about 2 miles of arrogant prickery to find when I got to the top that the 2 to 1 reduction had been sorted out and no longer existed; they just hadn't got as far as removing the signs. Think about the implications of that.
    I know a fair bit about this, and I know how to use road space efficiently. But highways management is about more than just efficient use of highway - otherwise we'd have no signals at all - it's about ensuring all parties are abke to make some progress, rather than some arrogant fuckers making all the progress and the majority crawling along at almost no speed.
    You are supposed to use both lanes (slowly) as far as possible then merge in turn at the end. The problem is that this is a recent introduction that is misunderstood by both motorists and even sometimes the police (based on dashcam clips) who will block one lane to stop what they see (under the old system) people flying down the outside to jump the queue.

    As with (see rant on last thread) the Highway Code changes to give priorities to pedestrians crossing at (some) junctions, the DoT has not publicised them enough so no-one has a clue what will happen (as opposed to should happen).
    No the merge in turn rules ONLY apply at low speed. The guidance specifically says not to do this at high speed. Highway Code rule 134.
    If you're going to inveigh against people not understanding the rules, helps if you know them yourself
    Yeah, when I said "slowly" I meant at low speed. But even if you missed that word, you missed the point because if both lanes are in use before a pinch point, speed will be low in both lanes rather than, under the old system, where one lane is barely crawling and the other lane empty except for the odd queue-jumper.
    Thanks for the responses.

    I'd say the HC is clear that both lanes should be used for efficiency.

    For some years I always thought the "turn" in "merge in turn" referred to a bend in the road, ie 'as you go round the turn'. But I have almost always done the 1:1 zipping anyway.

    Ashley Neal (yes, that one) has a good vid or two about this (several):
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6ODnfLCY_Q
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1O7jBSNfZgk
  • Watching Sky News, I was waiting for a Big Ben Bong to mark the start of the silence.

    I was still waiting by the end of the silence.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563

    ydoethur said:

    Cookie said:

    I am very pleased to report that the silence was properly respected in the pub that I am in 👍

    What was the silence? On telly, the queue stopped for a bit - then there was applause and cheering from outside. What was going on?
    8pm was set as a minutes silence and reflection
    Oh right, at 8pm I got my pots and pans out and started banging.

    Did I make a faux pas?
    You and Mrs Eagles into kinky stuff, or is there a fairly significant 'them together' missing from that sentence?
    Get your mind out of the gutter!
    I can't, I have to lie flat because I'm drained.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 7,280

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Surprised there hasn't been more pouring over His Majesty's statement to faith leaders

    https://twitter.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1570824611104948225

    He will be defender of faith as well as protector of the Anglican settlement
    No quarrel with that - looks great.
    It's interesting but his argument for religious tolerance is based on his own faith rather than a secular liberal argument.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649
    Sky just had Lord Boateng on. He was pretty damn good and talking some proper sense.
    I concluded earlier its going to be a while before i can be arsed to give a shit about politics, ive got a sinking feeling its all just struggle, hardship and petty squabbling for the foreseeable.
    A shit winter to follow three shit winters. Grumpy old bugger tonight.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,563

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Surprised there hasn't been more pouring over His Majesty's statement to faith leaders

    https://twitter.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1570824611104948225

    He will be defender of faith as well as protector of the Anglican settlement
    No quarrel with that - looks great.
    It's interesting but his argument for religious tolerance is based on his own faith rather than a secular liberal argument.
    Out of curiosity, what did you expect it to be based on given he isn't a secular liberal?
  • Pagan2 said:

    Believe Truss is doing a reading at Westminster Abbey funeral service tomorrow

    psalms 137 - 8- p9 maybe

    or

    jeremiah 13:15 to 26

    or

    Isiah 13:9 to 16

    or

    judges 18: 1 to 27

    or.......
    I would expect it to be from the new testament as the Queen wanted a celebration of her Christianity
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 5,616
    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Believe Truss is doing a reading at Westminster Abbey funeral service tomorrow

    psalms 137 - 8- p9 maybe

    or

    jeremiah 13:15 to 26

    or

    Isiah 13:9 to 16

    or

    judges 18: 1 to 27

    or.......
    Johnson asked for Proverbs 24:22.

    For Truss, surely Deuteronomy 32:28-35.
    euw no to boils she might show them us
    Eh?
    deutoronmy 32:28 - 35 is
    The LORD will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head.
    No it isn't.

    '28Israel is a nation devoid of counsel,
    with no understanding among them.
    29If only they were wise, they would understand it;
    they would comprehend their fate.
    30How could one man pursue a thousand,
    or two put ten thousand to flight,
    unless their Rock had sold them,
    unless the LORD had given them up?
    31For their rock is not like our Rock,
    even our enemies concede.h
    32But their vine is from the vine of Sodom
    and from the fields of Gomorrah.
    Their grapes are poisonous;
    their clusters are bitter.
    33Their wine is the venom of serpents,
    the deadly poison of cobras.
    34“Have I not stored up these things,
    sealed up within My vaults?
    35Vengeance is Mine; I will repay.i
    In due time their foot will slip;
    for their day of disaster is near,
    and their doom is coming quickly.”
    25The LORD will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will march out against them in one direction but flee from them in seven. You will be an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth. 26Your corpses will be food for all the birds of the air and beasts of the earth, with no one to scare them away.

    27The LORD will afflict you with the boils of Egypt, with tumors and scabs and itch from which you cannot be cured.

    28The LORD will afflict you with madness, blindness, and confusion of mind, 29and at noon you will grope about like a blind man in the darkness. You will not prosper in your ways. Day after day you will be oppressed and plundered, with no one to save you.

    30You will be pledged in marriage to a woman, but another man will violate her. You will build a house but will not live in it. You will plant a vineyard but will not enjoy its fruit. 31Your ox will be slaughtered before your eyes, but you will not eat any of it. Your donkey will be taken away and not returned to you. Your flock will be given to your enemies, and no one will save you.

    32Your sons and daughters will be given to another nation, while your eyes grow weary looking for them day after day, with no power in your hand. 33A people you do not know will eat the produce of your land and of all your toil. All your days you will be oppressed and crushed. 34You will be driven mad by the sights you see.

    35The LORD will afflict you with painful, incurable boils on your knees and thighs, from the soles of your feet to the top of your head.


    according to my copy of the book
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,460

    Looks like the queue is shrinking. If those joining has fallen to a trickle there might be quite a few hours left before it is officially closed.

    ,"The Queue" even has its own Wikipedia page now.
    Queue time is now 8 hours says live Telegraph blog
    Official site saying 7 hours now. End at London bridge. If true they should be through by 3.30ish so still a couple of hours leeway. If you're in London and want to, take your chance.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Believe Truss is doing a reading at Westminster Abbey funeral service tomorrow

    psalms 137 - 8- p9 maybe

    or

    jeremiah 13:15 to 26

    or

    Isiah 13:9 to 16

    or

    judges 18: 1 to 27

    or.......
    Johnson asked for Proverbs 24:22.

    For Truss, surely Deuteronomy 32:28-35.
    euw no to boils she might show them us
    Eh?
    deutoronmy 32:28 - 35 is
    The LORD will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head.
    No it isn't.

    '28Israel is a nation devoid of counsel,
    with no understanding among them.
    29If only they were wise, they would understand it;
    they would comprehend their fate.
    30How could one man pursue a thousand,
    or two put ten thousand to flight,
    unless their Rock had sold them,
    unless the LORD had given them up?
    31For their rock is not like our Rock,
    even our enemies concede.h
    32But their vine is from the vine of Sodom
    and from the fields of Gomorrah.
    Their grapes are poisonous;
    their clusters are bitter.
    33Their wine is the venom of serpents,
    the deadly poison of cobras.
    34“Have I not stored up these things,
    sealed up within My vaults?
    35Vengeance is Mine; I will repay.i
    In due time their foot will slip;
    for their day of disaster is near,
    and their doom is coming quickly.”
    25The LORD will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will march out against them in one direction but flee from them in seven. You will be an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth. 26Your corpses will be food for all the birds of the air and beasts of the earth, with no one to scare them away.

    27The LORD will afflict you with the boils of Egypt, with tumors and scabs and itch from which you cannot be cured.

    28The LORD will afflict you with madness, blindness, and confusion of mind, 29and at noon you will grope about like a blind man in the darkness. You will not prosper in your ways. Day after day you will be oppressed and plundered, with no one to save you.

    30You will be pledged in marriage to a woman, but another man will violate her. You will build a house but will not live in it. You will plant a vineyard but will not enjoy its fruit. 31Your ox will be slaughtered before your eyes, but you will not eat any of it. Your donkey will be taken away and not returned to you. Your flock will be given to your enemies, and no one will save you.

    32Your sons and daughters will be given to another nation, while your eyes grow weary looking for them day after day, with no power in your hand. 33A people you do not know will eat the produce of your land and of all your toil. All your days you will be oppressed and crushed. 34You will be driven mad by the sights you see.

    35The LORD will afflict you with painful, incurable boils on your knees and thighs, from the soles of your feet to the top of your head.


    according to my copy of the book
    Dat be Deut 28.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 5,616
    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Believe Truss is doing a reading at Westminster Abbey funeral service tomorrow

    psalms 137 - 8- p9 maybe

    or

    jeremiah 13:15 to 26

    or

    Isiah 13:9 to 16

    or

    judges 18: 1 to 27

    or.......
    Johnson asked for Proverbs 24:22.

    For Truss, surely Deuteronomy 32:28-35.
    euw no to boils she might show them us
    Eh?
    deutoronmy 32:28 - 35 is
    The LORD will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head.
    No it isn't.

    '28Israel is a nation devoid of counsel,
    with no understanding among them.
    29If only they were wise, they would understand it;
    they would comprehend their fate.
    30How could one man pursue a thousand,
    or two put ten thousand to flight,
    unless their Rock had sold them,
    unless the LORD had given them up?
    31For their rock is not like our Rock,
    even our enemies concede.h
    32But their vine is from the vine of Sodom
    and from the fields of Gomorrah.
    Their grapes are poisonous;
    their clusters are bitter.
    33Their wine is the venom of serpents,
    the deadly poison of cobras.
    34“Have I not stored up these things,
    sealed up within My vaults?
    35Vengeance is Mine; I will repay.i
    In due time their foot will slip;
    for their day of disaster is near,
    and their doom is coming quickly.”
    25The LORD will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will march out against them in one direction but flee from them in seven. You will be an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth. 26Your corpses will be food for all the birds of the air and beasts of the earth, with no one to scare them away.

    27The LORD will afflict you with the boils of Egypt, with tumors and scabs and itch from which you cannot be cured.

    28The LORD will afflict you with madness, blindness, and confusion of mind, 29and at noon you will grope about like a blind man in the darkness. You will not prosper in your ways. Day after day you will be oppressed and plundered, with no one to save you.

    30You will be pledged in marriage to a woman, but another man will violate her. You will build a house but will not live in it. You will plant a vineyard but will not enjoy its fruit. 31Your ox will be slaughtered before your eyes, but you will not eat any of it. Your donkey will be taken away and not returned to you. Your flock will be given to your enemies, and no one will save you.

    32Your sons and daughters will be given to another nation, while your eyes grow weary looking for them day after day, with no power in your hand. 33A people you do not know will eat the produce of your land and of all your toil. All your days you will be oppressed and crushed. 34You will be driven mad by the sights you see.

    35The LORD will afflict you with painful, incurable boils on your knees and thighs, from the soles of your feet to the top of your head.


    according to my copy of the book
    and looked up the king james version

    28 The Lord shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart;

    29 and thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways. “And thou shalt be only oppressed and despoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.

    30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her. Thou shalt build a house, and thou shalt not dwell therein. Thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.

    31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof. Thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee. Thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.

    32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand.

    33 The fruit of thy land and all thy labors shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed always,

    34 so that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

    35 The Lord shall smite thee in the knees and in the legs with a sore boil that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
  • Looks like the queue is shrinking. If those joining has fallen to a trickle there might be quite a few hours left before it is officially closed.

    ,"The Queue" even has its own Wikipedia page now.
    Queue time is now 8 hours says live Telegraph blog
    Official site saying 7 hours now. End at London bridge. If true they should be through by 3.30ish so still a couple of hours leeway. If you're in London and want to, take your chance.
    Still time for Phil and Holly to make amends.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 1,883

    Sky just had Lord Boateng on. He was pretty damn good and talking some proper sense.
    I concluded earlier its going to be a while before i can be arsed to give a shit about politics, ive got a sinking feeling its all just struggle, hardship and petty squabbling for the foreseeable.
    A shit winter to follow three shit winters. Grumpy old bugger tonight.

    Cheer up Woolie, we’ve got England being agonisingly knocked out of the World Cup and a Christmas John Lewis advert to look forward to (I hear they are going with a Nouvelle Vague version of Electricity by OMD this year). Not to mention the hilarity of the Boris honours list and a hopefully a new series of “Ghosts”. Mustn’t grumble.
  • kle4 said:

    Eight people?!

    In fact, there has been escalating use of lying in state in America — with eight people doing so in Washington since 2018 — whilst this is only the second such British ceremony since Winston Churchill in 1965. It is today *mostly an American occurrence.*

    https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1571504089934053376?cxt=HHwWgIC-uZipjc8rAAAA

    IIRC the UK came up with a second tier (“national funeral”?) which they use relatively frequently to keep the state funeral special

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 6,649
    boulay said:

    Sky just had Lord Boateng on. He was pretty damn good and talking some proper sense.
    I concluded earlier its going to be a while before i can be arsed to give a shit about politics, ive got a sinking feeling its all just struggle, hardship and petty squabbling for the foreseeable.
    A shit winter to follow three shit winters. Grumpy old bugger tonight.

    Cheer up Woolie, we’ve got England being agonisingly knocked out of the World Cup and a Christmas John Lewis advert to look forward to (I hear they are going with a Nouvelle Vague version of Electricity by OMD this year). Not to mention the hilarity of the Boris honours list and a hopefully a new series of “Ghosts”. Mustn’t grumble.
    These things may help my enhuit
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779
    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    ping said:

    Foxy said:

    ping said:

    ping said:

    On topic

    Great piece, although I would add, surely, unlimited private medical care is a factor?

    I doubt anyone in the Windsor family has ever had to fight like hell in a long telephone queue just to get an GP appointment at 8am.

    My mother’s experience of trying to access decent medical care over the last few years has been appalling.

    Eventiually she’s been able to get relevant tests done and, just now she’s had an emergency referral for a potential blood cancer diagnosis.

    Her life may well have been significantly shortened because she didn’t have access to the same sort of medical care that Windsors get.

    We’ll find out in a few weeks.

    @MSmithsonPB

    “Both my wife and I have had longstanding medical appointments scheduled for tomorrow put back even more because of the decision to make it a public holiday. I am furious”

    You have my sympathies, @MikeSmithson

    In fairness, as a counterbalance to both my post above, and your tweet - as a result of my mums emergency consultation on Friday, she’s been booked in for an emergency test tomorrow, at midday.

    At least some people/parts of the NHS are functioning normally.
    I am working normal hours tommorow. In my dept we were asked whether we wanted to, and a substantial majority voted to do so. We didn't think it appropriate to cancel long awaited appointments to mark the funeral. Quite a few patients have rebooked, but that is their choice. I expect it will be a fairly quiet and I will be able to slip into the waiting room for some of the highlights.
    Very decent of you and your colleagues.
    We do get a day in lieu, so not complete martyrs!
    Even so, pretty shit for the patients elsewhere to lose their appointments. The Scottish Gmt made it clear they should be respected.
    making it clear they should be respected and ensuring they are respected are two different things. The first is virtue signalling the second is doing something helpful. And for avoidance of doubt would say the samething about the uk governement doing the same
    Given it's a legal bank holiday, and NHS staff can't be treated worse than say the bin collectors who are leaving my bins for another 5 days, they can't do much more, but see this:

    https://news.stv.tv/scotland/nhs-scotland-services-to-continue-during-queens-funeral-but-government-warns-of-some-disruption
    ok read it....not sure I see the point though.....it doesnt change mine in the least. If scottish NHS staff choose to watch the funeral rather than provide service then the scottish governement is virtue signalling by saying "it shouldnt be allowed to disrupt service" same as it would be if truss announced it.

    shouldn't is different to mustn't and we will take steps to ensure it won't
    Foxy has explained the situation better than I could (not in the least astoundingly).
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 20,039

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Surprised there hasn't been more pouring over His Majesty's statement to faith leaders

    https://twitter.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1570824611104948225

    He will be defender of faith as well as protector of the Anglican settlement
    No quarrel with that - looks great.
    It's interesting but his argument for religious tolerance is based on his own faith rather than a secular liberal argument.
    Yes, well, if he reaches a reasonable conclusion, I'm not inclined to quibble with how he got there.
  • A new account will be arriving shortly, Sean, sorry Leon's replacement.

    Is doxxing an acceptable behaviour in your neck of the woods?
    The guiltiest poster when it comes to doxxing Leon, is Leon.
    But he doesn’t (as far as I am aware) actually acknowledge his real world persona. Just broadly hints
  • paulyork64paulyork64 Posts: 2,460
    Cookie said:

    I am very pleased to report that the silence was properly respected in the pub that I am in 👍

    What was the silence? On telly, the queue stopped for a bit - then there was applause and cheering from outside. What was going on?
    A bong from big Ben at the start would have been helpful, but we managed without.
  • TimS said:

    TimS said:

    carnforth said:

    Just enjoyed a 40 minute checkout queue. Worse than Christmas eve...

    We’ve realised late in the day that it’s basically like Christmas or Easter and should be planned as such. No presents, but a lie in then watch the funeral followed by a big roast (we got a duck) and some nice wine, an afternoon walk then cheese and biscuits for supper.

    That plus a couple of teams calls and in my case an early call from the beeb to talk about tax on the Today programme.
    What time are you on?

    Around 6.15. Back to sleep afterwards.

    Good luck… I may wait until catch up later…
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 28,779

    A new account will be arriving shortly, Sean, sorry Leon's replacement.

    Is doxxing an acceptable behaviour in your neck of the woods?
    The guiltiest poster when it comes to doxxing Leon, is Leon.
    But he doesn’t (as far as I am aware) actually acknowledge his real world persona. Just broadly hints
    He did gleefully announce it when I, quite by accident, posted a picture of his house. Or their house?
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