"Elon Musk says 'civilisation would crumble' if sourcing oil and gas in the short term suddenly stops The world's richest person also warned of a challenge over the birth rate, claiming we must "make more babies" or "we will die with a whimper in adult diapers"."
(1) "Sourcing oil and gas" - I presume he means prospecting for. And there is literally no chance that "sourcing" oil and gas stops. Not least because oil & gas have many, many uses.
(2) He's not wrong about birth rates. And I think it's great that he's persuaded so many people to have his kids.
He's completely wrong about birth rates. There are too many humans about already. If we want to have some chance of not completely wrecking the planet then a fairly lengthy period of global population decline would be welcome.
He's really not:
The reality is that birth rates are already below replacement in most countries.
The next problem - and it's going to be a big problem - is how you persuade a small number of workers to pay for a large number of retirees.
I agree it creates problems, but it's still probably a good thing on balance. The global population continuing to grow puts pressure on systems and would be more likely to push resources to some breaking point.
A steadily falling (as opposed to collapsing) global population can be managed via some mix of migration from poorer, younger countries to older, richer countries. Plus people working longer and changes to taxation.
The likes of South Korea with a incredibly low birth rate and very little immigration is setting itself up to become poorer over time though.
it's not
See my posts below!
AI is on the verge of being real AI. It will do many jobs. Maybe all of them. It will solve this. Of course it might then decide to wipe out humanity but it's a risk we have to take
AI would not have invaded Ukraine
I genuinely believe Homo sapiens is now in a race between its own innate but unmeant self-destructiveness, and the ability to fabricate AI which will save us. Might be close
Why would AI not have decided to invade Ukraine if it was programmed to pursue a Russian Nationalist agenda?
Would the AI be that intelligent if you did? Though any AI is only as good as its input data, and you could feed it a lopsided data set, I guess.
Perhaps, like the computer in War Games, it would conclude that the only way to win at the game of aggressive nationalism is not to play. Persue neutrality and extreme wealth instead. Compare Likely-Russia-2030 with Parallel-Universe-Russia-2030, where it calmly and competently got on with pumping and selling fossil fuels. Which one would have more actual oomph on the world stage?
A brilliant thought experiment
Eventually some country (probably one of the Baltic Republics) will realise that the best bet is to hand governance over to AI. Let GPT34 be the new Estonian Prime Minister
The job of appearing on TV or kissing babies can be done by lesser beings: fakenews bots or hired actors
The decisions will be made by AI with a grasp of detail, futurology and history that no human - or network of humans - can possibly match, They will be good decisions. That nation will prosper
A fairly tempting prospect. Someone will do it. Maybe Singapore if not Latvia
"Elon Musk says 'civilisation would crumble' if sourcing oil and gas in the short term suddenly stops The world's richest person also warned of a challenge over the birth rate, claiming we must "make more babies" or "we will die with a whimper in adult diapers"."
(1) "Sourcing oil and gas" - I presume he means prospecting for. And there is literally no chance that "sourcing" oil and gas stops. Not least because oil & gas have many, many uses.
(2) He's not wrong about birth rates. And I think it's great that he's persuaded so many people to have his kids.
He's completely wrong about birth rates. There are too many humans about already. If we want to have some chance of not completely wrecking the planet then a fairly lengthy period of global population decline would be welcome.
He's really not:
The reality is that birth rates are already below replacement in most countries.
The next problem - and it's going to be a big problem - is how you persuade a small number of workers to pay for a large number of retirees.
I agree it creates problems, but it's still probably a good thing on balance. The global population continuing to grow puts pressure on systems and would be more likely to push resources to some breaking point.
A steadily falling (as opposed to collapsing) global population can be managed via some mix of migration from poorer, younger countries to older, richer countries. Plus people working longer and changes to taxation.
The likes of South Korea with a incredibly low birth rate and very little immigration is setting itself up to become poorer over time though.
it's not
See my posts below!
AI is on the verge of being real AI. It will do many jobs. Maybe all of them. It will solve this. Of course it might then decide to wipe out humanity but it's a risk we have to take
AI would not have invaded Ukraine
I genuinely believe Homo sapiens is now in a race between its own innate but unmeant self-destructiveness, and the ability to fabricate AI which will save us. Might be close
Let me know when it can unload the dishwasher and stack all the plates in the right cupboard.
Hang on, if that's the definition of sentience, then neither of my children have it. And they're 12 and 14.
This really is the end of art as we know it. Turns out DALLE-2 was just a vague premonition
I see you've managed to buck the system by posting a troubling Dalle image as your avatar.
I couldn’t resist. Because it really looks like me. I was quite a rambunctious child
I met Ted Hughes In his later years and, flatteringly, he remembered me as a child because - as he put it - you ‘were a very noisy boy’
Actually, that avatar reminds me of the baby buried alive in the clay pot, in The Genesis Secret.
Wait.
You read a Tom Knox book?
They aren't for reading. Good god. I don't believe the author even made it all the way through.
You’re suggesting the remainder was written by a (very) rudimentary AI ?
Humanity itself is, of course, a rudimentary form of AI, or, indeed, I
It is amazing how many people who are firmly atheistic believe there is, nonetheless, something sacred about human intelligence than cannot be mimicked and bettered by a bunch of electronics. They are all molecules. They were all brought together by the "artifice" of evolution, and mutation, and random change. This time intelligence has evolved via another intelligence. So be it. Shit happens
You actually remind me of those with religion, as you seem to have an implicit belief that problems which have not yet been solved are either tractable or have already been solved.
For example, whether there is an intrinsic difference between computation, and the operation of the human brain.
Well of course there isn't except in the mind of religiose meatists, any more than anyone except a bunch of Alabama fundamentalists and of course hyufd seriously asks at what stage the soul enters the foetus. I mean consider the progression from egg n sperm to baby, or from single cell organism 3.5bya to say hyufd or from common ancestor with gorillas to hyufd. Either you can accept that it's just computing on a meat substrate or you have to nail a time in each process at which AMIRACLEOCCURSPRAISETHELORD, for no better reason than that you sort of *feel* sentient. It just isn't an interesting question and even if it is, now you know the answer.
"Elon Musk says 'civilisation would crumble' if sourcing oil and gas in the short term suddenly stops The world's richest person also warned of a challenge over the birth rate, claiming we must "make more babies" or "we will die with a whimper in adult diapers"."
(1) "Sourcing oil and gas" - I presume he means prospecting for. And there is literally no chance that "sourcing" oil and gas stops. Not least because oil & gas have many, many uses.
(2) He's not wrong about birth rates. And I think it's great that he's persuaded so many people to have his kids.
He's completely wrong about birth rates. There are too many humans about already. If we want to have some chance of not completely wrecking the planet then a fairly lengthy period of global population decline would be welcome.
He's really not:
The reality is that birth rates are already below replacement in most countries.
The next problem - and it's going to be a big problem - is how you persuade a small number of workers to pay for a large number of retirees.
I agree it creates problems, but it's still probably a good thing on balance. The global population continuing to grow puts pressure on systems and would be more likely to push resources to some breaking point.
A steadily falling (as opposed to collapsing) global population can be managed via some mix of migration from poorer, younger countries to older, richer countries. Plus people working longer and changes to taxation.
The likes of South Korea with a incredibly low birth rate and very little immigration is setting itself up to become poorer over time though.
it's not
See my posts below!
AI is on the verge of being real AI. It will do many jobs. Maybe all of them. It will solve this. Of course it might then decide to wipe out humanity but it's a risk we have to take
AI would not have invaded Ukraine
I genuinely believe Homo sapiens is now in a race between its own innate but unmeant self-destructiveness, and the ability to fabricate AI which will save us. Might be close
Why would AI not have decided to invade Ukraine if it was programmed to pursue a Russian Nationalist agenda?
Would the AI be that intelligent if you did? Though any AI is only as good as its input data, and you could feed it a lopsided data set, I guess.
Perhaps, like the computer in War Games, it would conclude that the only way to win at the game of aggressive nationalism is not to play. Persue neutrality and extreme wealth instead. Compare Likely-Russia-2030 with Parallel-Universe-Russia-2030, where it calmly and competently got on with pumping and selling fossil fuels. Which one would have more actual oomph on the world stage?
A brilliant thought experiment
Eventually some country (probably one of the Baltic Republics) will realise that the best bet is to hand governance over to AI. Let GPT34 be the new Estonian Prime Minister
The job of appearing on TV or kissing babies can be done by lesser beings: fakenews bots or hired actors
The decisions will be made by AI with a grasp of detail, futurology and history that no human - or network of humans - can possibly match, They will be good decisions. That nation will prosper
A fairly tempting prospect. Someone will do it. Maybe Singapore if not Latvia
So.
Let's have an experiment shall we. I will ask GPT3 some questions, and we'll ask it to auto complete the answers and see how it does.
Please, any suggestions from the you lot will be appreciated.
"Elon Musk says 'civilisation would crumble' if sourcing oil and gas in the short term suddenly stops The world's richest person also warned of a challenge over the birth rate, claiming we must "make more babies" or "we will die with a whimper in adult diapers"."
(1) "Sourcing oil and gas" - I presume he means prospecting for. And there is literally no chance that "sourcing" oil and gas stops. Not least because oil & gas have many, many uses.
(2) He's not wrong about birth rates. And I think it's great that he's persuaded so many people to have his kids.
He's completely wrong about birth rates. There are too many humans about already. If we want to have some chance of not completely wrecking the planet then a fairly lengthy period of global population decline would be welcome.
He's really not:
The reality is that birth rates are already below replacement in most countries.
The next problem - and it's going to be a big problem - is how you persuade a small number of workers to pay for a large number of retirees.
I agree it creates problems, but it's still probably a good thing on balance. The global population continuing to grow puts pressure on systems and would be more likely to push resources to some breaking point.
A steadily falling (as opposed to collapsing) global population can be managed via some mix of migration from poorer, younger countries to older, richer countries. Plus people working longer and changes to taxation.
The likes of South Korea with a incredibly low birth rate and very little immigration is setting itself up to become poorer over time though.
it's not
See my posts below!
AI is on the verge of being real AI. It will do many jobs. Maybe all of them. It will solve this. Of course it might then decide to wipe out humanity but it's a risk we have to take
AI would not have invaded Ukraine
I genuinely believe Homo sapiens is now in a race between its own innate but unmeant self-destructiveness, and the ability to fabricate AI which will save us. Might be close
Why would AI not have decided to invade Ukraine if it was programmed to pursue a Russian Nationalist agenda?
Would the AI be that intelligent if you did? Though any AI is only as good as its input data, and you could feed it a lopsided data set, I guess.
Perhaps, like the computer in War Games, it would conclude that the only way to win at the game of aggressive nationalism is not to play. Persue neutrality and extreme wealth instead. Compare Likely-Russia-2030 with Parallel-Universe-Russia-2030, where it calmly and competently got on with pumping and selling fossil fuels. Which one would have more actual oomph on the world stage?
A brilliant thought experiment
Eventually some country (probably one of the Baltic Republics) will realise that the best bet is to hand governance over to AI. Let GPT34 be the new Estonian Prime Minister
The job of appearing on TV or kissing babies can be done by lesser beings: fakenews bots or hired actors
The decisions will be made by AI with a grasp of detail, futurology and history that no human - or network of humans - can possibly match, They will be good decisions. That nation will prosper
A fairly tempting prospect. Someone will do it. Maybe Singapore if not Latvia
So.
Let's have an experiment shall we. I will ask GPT3 some questions, and we'll ask it to auto complete the answers and see how it does.
Please, any suggestions from the you lot will be appreciated.
Our new GPT overlords. Let's start with an easy one.
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with them
One solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
Our new GPT overlords. Let's start with an easy one.
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with them
One solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
"Elon Musk says 'civilisation would crumble' if sourcing oil and gas in the short term suddenly stops The world's richest person also warned of a challenge over the birth rate, claiming we must "make more babies" or "we will die with a whimper in adult diapers"."
(1) "Sourcing oil and gas" - I presume he means prospecting for. And there is literally no chance that "sourcing" oil and gas stops. Not least because oil & gas have many, many uses.
(2) He's not wrong about birth rates. And I think it's great that he's persuaded so many people to have his kids.
He's completely wrong about birth rates. There are too many humans about already. If we want to have some chance of not completely wrecking the planet then a fairly lengthy period of global population decline would be welcome.
He's really not:
The reality is that birth rates are already below replacement in most countries.
The next problem - and it's going to be a big problem - is how you persuade a small number of workers to pay for a large number of retirees.
I agree it creates problems, but it's still probably a good thing on balance. The global population continuing to grow puts pressure on systems and would be more likely to push resources to some breaking point.
A steadily falling (as opposed to collapsing) global population can be managed via some mix of migration from poorer, younger countries to older, richer countries. Plus people working longer and changes to taxation.
The likes of South Korea with a incredibly low birth rate and very little immigration is setting itself up to become poorer over time though.
it's not
See my posts below!
AI is on the verge of being real AI. It will do many jobs. Maybe all of them. It will solve this. Of course it might then decide to wipe out humanity but it's a risk we have to take
AI would not have invaded Ukraine
I genuinely believe Homo sapiens is now in a race between its own innate but unmeant self-destructiveness, and the ability to fabricate AI which will save us. Might be close
Let me know when it can unload the dishwasher and stack all the plates in the right cupboard.
"Elon Musk says 'civilisation would crumble' if sourcing oil and gas in the short term suddenly stops The world's richest person also warned of a challenge over the birth rate, claiming we must "make more babies" or "we will die with a whimper in adult diapers"."
(1) "Sourcing oil and gas" - I presume he means prospecting for. And there is literally no chance that "sourcing" oil and gas stops. Not least because oil & gas have many, many uses.
(2) He's not wrong about birth rates. And I think it's great that he's persuaded so many people to have his kids.
He's completely wrong about birth rates. There are too many humans about already. If we want to have some chance of not completely wrecking the planet then a fairly lengthy period of global population decline would be welcome.
He's really not:
The reality is that birth rates are already below replacement in most countries.
The next problem - and it's going to be a big problem - is how you persuade a small number of workers to pay for a large number of retirees.
I agree it creates problems, but it's still probably a good thing on balance. The global population continuing to grow puts pressure on systems and would be more likely to push resources to some breaking point.
A steadily falling (as opposed to collapsing) global population can be managed via some mix of migration from poorer, younger countries to older, richer countries. Plus people working longer and changes to taxation.
The likes of South Korea with a incredibly low birth rate and very little immigration is setting itself up to become poorer over time though.
it's not
See my posts below!
AI is on the verge of being real AI. It will do many jobs. Maybe all of them. It will solve this. Of course it might then decide to wipe out humanity but it's a risk we have to take
AI would not have invaded Ukraine
I genuinely believe Homo sapiens is now in a race between its own innate but unmeant self-destructiveness, and the ability to fabricate AI which will save us. Might be close
Why would AI not have decided to invade Ukraine if it was programmed to pursue a Russian Nationalist agenda?
Would the AI be that intelligent if you did? Though any AI is only as good as its input data, and you could feed it a lopsided data set, I guess.
Perhaps, like the computer in War Games, it would conclude that the only way to win at the game of aggressive nationalism is not to play. Persue neutrality and extreme wealth instead. Compare Likely-Russia-2030 with Parallel-Universe-Russia-2030, where it calmly and competently got on with pumping and selling fossil fuels. Which one would have more actual oomph on the world stage?
A brilliant thought experiment
Eventually some country (probably one of the Baltic Republics) will realise that the best bet is to hand governance over to AI. Let GPT34 be the new Estonian Prime Minister
The job of appearing on TV or kissing babies can be done by lesser beings: fakenews bots or hired actors
The decisions will be made by AI with a grasp of detail, futurology and history that no human - or network of humans - can possibly match, They will be good decisions. That nation will prosper
A fairly tempting prospect. Someone will do it. Maybe Singapore if not Latvia
So.
Let's have an experiment shall we. I will ask GPT3 some questions, and we'll ask it to auto complete the answers and see how it does.
Please, any suggestions from the you lot will be appreciated.
GPT3 was SO last year. YAWN
OK. GPT4 isn't realised yet.
I can use Rytr if you like, which uses a preproduction version.
Our new GPT overlords. Let's start with an easy one.
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with them
One solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
It is clear that the right answer is
How about something really important, like how to get the country through the coming winter?
Our new GPT overlords. Let's start with an easy one.
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with them
One solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
It is clear that the right answer is
not clear.
Some of the solutions to this are as follows:
- Make Britain an official asylum destination and increase legal avenues for migrants to enter the country and work. - Create a more efficient system for processing migrants in Europe, so that it is not so enticing for them to come across the Mediterranean in boats. - Focus on reducing unemployment
Which is broadly coherent, even if it confuses the Mediterranean with the Channel. And not that it really offers a solution.
Our new GPT overlords. Let's start with an easy one.
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with them
One solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
It is clear that the right answer is
not clear.
Some of the solutions to this are as follows:
- Make Britain an official asylum destination and increase legal avenues for migrants to enter the country and work. - Create a more efficient system for processing migrants in Europe, so that it is not so enticing for them to come across the Mediterranean in boats. - Focus on reducing unemployment
Which is broadly coherent, even if it confuses the Mediterranean with the Channel. And not that it really offers a solution.
Our new GPT overlords. Let's start with an easy one.
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with them
One solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
Our new GPT overlords. Let's start with an easy one.
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with them
One solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
It is clear that the right answer is
not clear.
Some of the solutions to this are as follows:
- Make Britain an official asylum destination and increase legal avenues for migrants to enter the country and work. - Create a more efficient system for processing migrants in Europe, so that it is not so enticing for them to come across the Mediterranean in boats. - Focus on reducing unemployment
Which is broadly coherent, even if it confuses the Mediterranean with the Channel. And not that it really offers a solution.
No mention of weaponry or razor wire. What sort of Woke AI is this?
"Elon Musk says 'civilisation would crumble' if sourcing oil and gas in the short term suddenly stops The world's richest person also warned of a challenge over the birth rate, claiming we must "make more babies" or "we will die with a whimper in adult diapers"."
(1) "Sourcing oil and gas" - I presume he means prospecting for. And there is literally no chance that "sourcing" oil and gas stops. Not least because oil & gas have many, many uses.
(2) He's not wrong about birth rates. And I think it's great that he's persuaded so many people to have his kids.
He's completely wrong about birth rates. There are too many humans about already. If we want to have some chance of not completely wrecking the planet then a fairly lengthy period of global population decline would be welcome.
He's really not:
The reality is that birth rates are already below replacement in most countries.
The next problem - and it's going to be a big problem - is how you persuade a small number of workers to pay for a large number of retirees.
I agree it creates problems, but it's still probably a good thing on balance. The global population continuing to grow puts pressure on systems and would be more likely to push resources to some breaking point.
A steadily falling (as opposed to collapsing) global population can be managed via some mix of migration from poorer, younger countries to older, richer countries. Plus people working longer and changes to taxation.
The likes of South Korea with a incredibly low birth rate and very little immigration is setting itself up to become poorer over time though.
it's not
See my posts below!
AI is on the verge of being real AI. It will do many jobs. Maybe all of them. It will solve this. Of course it might then decide to wipe out humanity but it's a risk we have to take
AI would not have invaded Ukraine
I genuinely believe Homo sapiens is now in a race between its own innate but unmeant self-destructiveness, and the ability to fabricate AI which will save us. Might be close
Let me know when it can unload the dishwasher and stack all the plates in the right cupboard.
Hang on, if that's the definition of sentience, then neither of my children have it. And they're 12 and 14.
Lol. My dog's sentient and he can't unload the dishwasher either; I was looking beyond that - towards intelligence.
He's been impressively consistent in supporting the government on everything they've done for Ukraine
But..
He tried twice to put Putin appeaser Corbyn into Downing St
He's pleased his supporters by proving that he'll say anything to get elected
Why would even they believe what he says now?
What an odd post.
One can be critical of Starmer for all sorts of failings, but he has not demonstrated any reluctance to support the fight against Putin.
Like the Jimmy Savile slur the Putin shill accusation might cause Starmer problems. Go on Trussian Tories, you know you want to.
I noted his impressive consistency in supporting the government. How is that anything like Savile? And why are you trying to bring up SJS v SKS?
I don’t fully trust Sunak on Ukraine. Why should I treat Sir Keir any different?
You may recall a rather far fetched and wholly incorrect accusation from Johnson that Starmer facilitated Savile and failed to prosecute him. It was quite effective as it got Starmer roughed up. Your accusation is equally absurd.
In my view Johnson saw Ukraine as a means of salvation after Partygate. I found his visits to be tiresome electioneering, except for his visit last week. He didn't have to go, so hats off.
Our new GPT overlords. Let's start with an easy one.
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with them
One solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
It is clear that the right answer is
not clear.
Some of the solutions to this are as follows:
- Make Britain an official asylum destination and increase legal avenues for migrants to enter the country and work. - Create a more efficient system for processing migrants in Europe, so that it is not so enticing for them to come across the Mediterranean in boats. - Focus on reducing unemployment
Which is broadly coherent, even if it confuses the Mediterranean with the Channel. And not that it really offers a solution.
I think we should ban this. (Profile picture updated to strict moderator one created earlier)
Our new GPT overlords. Let's start with an easy one.
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with them
One solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
It is clear that the right answer is
Drones. Gatling cannon.
Next?
So, I handed it the following:
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with themOne solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
Commander Leon strapped the gatling cannon to his muscular right arm. In his left hand he carrier the drone. He was going to teach these migrants a lesson they wouldn’t forget.
And asked it to autocomplete.
It came up with the immortal, and unintentionally hilarious:
It can be inferred that Commander Leon is left-handed, which is an important clue to understanding how the story unfolds.
Our new GPT overlords. Let's start with an easy one.
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with them
One solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
It is clear that the right answer is
Drones. Gatling cannon.
Next?
So, I handed it the following:
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with themOne solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
Commander Leon strapped the gatling cannon to his muscular right arm. In his left hand he carrier the drone. He was going to teach these migrants a lesson they wouldn’t forget.
And asked it to autocomplete.
It came up with the immortal, and unintentionally hilarious:
It can be inferred that Commander Leon is left-handed, which is an important clue to understanding how the story unfolds.
"Elon Musk says 'civilisation would crumble' if sourcing oil and gas in the short term suddenly stops The world's richest person also warned of a challenge over the birth rate, claiming we must "make more babies" or "we will die with a whimper in adult diapers"."
(1) "Sourcing oil and gas" - I presume he means prospecting for. And there is literally no chance that "sourcing" oil and gas stops. Not least because oil & gas have many, many uses.
(2) He's not wrong about birth rates. And I think it's great that he's persuaded so many people to have his kids.
He's completely wrong about birth rates. There are too many humans about already. If we want to have some chance of not completely wrecking the planet then a fairly lengthy period of global population decline would be welcome.
He's really not:
The reality is that birth rates are already below replacement in most countries.
The next problem - and it's going to be a big problem - is how you persuade a small number of workers to pay for a large number of retirees.
I agree it creates problems, but it's still probably a good thing on balance. The global population continuing to grow puts pressure on systems and would be more likely to push resources to some breaking point.
A steadily falling (as opposed to collapsing) global population can be managed via some mix of migration from poorer, younger countries to older, richer countries. Plus people working longer and changes to taxation.
The likes of South Korea with a incredibly low birth rate and very little immigration is setting itself up to become poorer over time though.
it's not
See my posts below!
AI is on the verge of being real AI. It will do many jobs. Maybe all of them. It will solve this. Of course it might then decide to wipe out humanity but it's a risk we have to take
AI would not have invaded Ukraine
I genuinely believe Homo sapiens is now in a race between its own innate but unmeant self-destructiveness, and the ability to fabricate AI which will save us. Might be close
Why would AI not have decided to invade Ukraine if it was programmed to pursue a Russian Nationalist agenda?
Would the AI be that intelligent if you did? Though any AI is only as good as its input data, and you could feed it a lopsided data set, I guess.
Perhaps, like the computer in War Games, it would conclude that the only way to win at the game of aggressive nationalism is not to play. Persue neutrality and extreme wealth instead. Compare Likely-Russia-2030 with Parallel-Universe-Russia-2030, where it calmly and competently got on with pumping and selling fossil fuels. Which one would have more actual oomph on the world stage?
I've only being saying this for about 3 years. Compare also a Britain that told the US to fuck off and fight its own battles for the past 30 years to what we are today.
"Elon Musk says 'civilisation would crumble' if sourcing oil and gas in the short term suddenly stops The world's richest person also warned of a challenge over the birth rate, claiming we must "make more babies" or "we will die with a whimper in adult diapers"."
(1) "Sourcing oil and gas" - I presume he means prospecting for. And there is literally no chance that "sourcing" oil and gas stops. Not least because oil & gas have many, many uses.
(2) He's not wrong about birth rates. And I think it's great that he's persuaded so many people to have his kids.
He's completely wrong about birth rates. There are too many humans about already. If we want to have some chance of not completely wrecking the planet then a fairly lengthy period of global population decline would be welcome.
He's really not:
The reality is that birth rates are already below replacement in most countries.
The next problem - and it's going to be a big problem - is how you persuade a small number of workers to pay for a large number of retirees.
I agree it creates problems, but it's still probably a good thing on balance. The global population continuing to grow puts pressure on systems and would be more likely to push resources to some breaking point.
A steadily falling (as opposed to collapsing) global population can be managed via some mix of migration from poorer, younger countries to older, richer countries. Plus people working longer and changes to taxation.
The likes of South Korea with a incredibly low birth rate and very little immigration is setting itself up to become poorer over time though.
it's not
See my posts below!
AI is on the verge of being real AI. It will do many jobs. Maybe all of them. It will solve this. Of course it might then decide to wipe out humanity but it's a risk we have to take
AI would not have invaded Ukraine
I genuinely believe Homo sapiens is now in a race between its own innate but unmeant self-destructiveness, and the ability to fabricate AI which will save us. Might be close
Let me know when it can unload the dishwasher and stack all the plates in the right cupboard.
Hang on, if that's the definition of sentience, then neither of my children have it. And they're 12 and 14.
Lol. My dog's sentient and he can't unload the dishwasher either; I was looking beyond that - towards intelligence.
Not sure about that. I remember the time I was living in a shared house and one of my housemates brought some of his work home for tea. He was a house-something for people with limited learning abilities, whatever the wording is these days. Folk with trisomy 21, that sort of thing. Quite a lively party, but they made damn sure they washed up before they left. As I remarked to my ultra-intelligent bank whizkid housemate who never washed up after himself, if you have an IQ of 50 you can wash up, but if you have one of 200 ...
Our new GPT overlords. Let's start with an easy one.
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with them
One solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
It is clear that the right answer is
not clear.
Some of the solutions to this are as follows:
- Make Britain an official asylum destination and increase legal avenues for migrants to enter the country and work. - Create a more efficient system for processing migrants in Europe, so that it is not so enticing for them to come across the Mediterranean in boats. - Focus on reducing unemployment
Which is broadly coherent, even if it confuses the Mediterranean with the Channel. And not that it really offers a solution.
What are you trying to do? Show that GPT "whatever number" is unable to take over the government of an entire country??
Clearly that is the case. We are 10-20 years from that being do-able. Maybe 50
I'm not even sure Stable Diffusion is able to take over the role of Guardian illustrator. I had a go earlier today. Took me an hour to produce an image that might just have sufficed for its article "do animals have emotions?"
The point is, the the direction of the journey is now obvious. AI is becoming actual AI and will be able to do, better and cheaper, most jobs done by mankind, and that includes the creative/white collar jobs we fondly thought would be last to go
It will also deploy armies better, AI will be the best, most heartless of generals. Quite frightening
Our new GPT overlords. Let's start with an easy one.
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with them
One solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
It is clear that the right answer is
not clear.
Some of the solutions to this are as follows:
- Make Britain an official asylum destination and increase legal avenues for migrants to enter the country and work. - Create a more efficient system for processing migrants in Europe, so that it is not so enticing for them to come across the Mediterranean in boats. - Focus on reducing unemployment
Which is broadly coherent, even if it confuses the Mediterranean with the Channel. And not that it really offers a solution.
What are you trying to do? Show that GPT "whatever number" is unable to take over the government of an entire country??
Clearly that is the case. We are 10-20 years from that being do-able. Maybe 50
I'm not even sure Stable Diffusion is able to take over the role of Guardian illustrator. I had a go earlier today. Took me an hour to produce an image that might just have sufficed for its article "do animals have emotions?"
The point is, the the direction of the journey is now obvious. AI is becoming actual AI and will be able to do, better and cheaper, most jobs done by mankind, and that includes the creative/white collar jobs we fondly thought would be last to go
It will also deploy armies better, AI will be the best, most heartless of generals. Quite frightening
He's been impressively consistent in supporting the government on everything they've done for Ukraine
But..
He tried twice to put Putin appeaser Corbyn into Downing St
He's pleased his supporters by proving that he'll say anything to get elected
Why would even they believe what he says now?
What an odd post.
One can be critical of Starmer for all sorts of failings, but he has not demonstrated any reluctance to support the fight against Putin.
Like the Jimmy Savile slur the Putin shill accusation might cause Starmer problems. Go on Trussian Tories, you know you want to.
I noted his impressive consistency in supporting the government. How is that anything like Savile? And why are you trying to bring up SJS v SKS?
I don’t fully trust Sunak on Ukraine. Why should I treat Sir Keir any different?
You may recall a rather far fetched and wholly incorrect accusation from Johnson that Starmer facilitated Savile and failed to prosecute him. It was quite effective as it got Starmer roughed up. Your accusation is equally absurd.
In my view Johnson saw Ukraine as a means of salvation after Partygate. I found his visits to be tiresome electioneering, except for his visit last week. He didn't have to go, so hats off.
I didn't make an accusation. I asked a question. A question that I also asked of Sunak and Truss. I noted that Starmer had been good so far. I also noted why I had reasons for concern.
Can you solidly guarantee that he'll stick to what he's so far supported?
Even though you love the fact that he tricked the Corbynites by lying?
"Elon Musk says 'civilisation would crumble' if sourcing oil and gas in the short term suddenly stops The world's richest person also warned of a challenge over the birth rate, claiming we must "make more babies" or "we will die with a whimper in adult diapers"."
(1) "Sourcing oil and gas" - I presume he means prospecting for. And there is literally no chance that "sourcing" oil and gas stops. Not least because oil & gas have many, many uses.
(2) He's not wrong about birth rates. And I think it's great that he's persuaded so many people to have his kids.
He's completely wrong about birth rates. There are too many humans about already. If we want to have some chance of not completely wrecking the planet then a fairly lengthy period of global population decline would be welcome.
He's really not:
The reality is that birth rates are already below replacement in most countries.
The next problem - and it's going to be a big problem - is how you persuade a small number of workers to pay for a large number of retirees.
I agree it creates problems, but it's still probably a good thing on balance. The global population continuing to grow puts pressure on systems and would be more likely to push resources to some breaking point.
A steadily falling (as opposed to collapsing) global population can be managed via some mix of migration from poorer, younger countries to older, richer countries. Plus people working longer and changes to taxation.
The likes of South Korea with a incredibly low birth rate and very little immigration is setting itself up to become poorer over time though.
it's not
See my posts below!
AI is on the verge of being real AI. It will do many jobs. Maybe all of them. It will solve this. Of course it might then decide to wipe out humanity but it's a risk we have to take
AI would not have invaded Ukraine
I genuinely believe Homo sapiens is now in a race between its own innate but unmeant self-destructiveness, and the ability to fabricate AI which will save us. Might be close
Let me know when it can unload the dishwasher and stack all the plates in the right cupboard.
Hang on, if that's the definition of sentience, then neither of my children have it. And they're 12 and 14.
Lol. My dog's sentient and he can't unload the dishwasher either; I was looking beyond that - towards intelligence.
Not sure about that. I remember the time I was living in a shared house and one of my housemates brought some of his work home for tea. He was a house-something for people with limited learning abilities, whatever the wording is these days. Folk with trisomy 21, that sort of thing. Quite a lively party, but they made damn sure they washed up before they left. As I remarked to my ultra-intelligent bank whizkid housemate who never washed up after himself, if you have an IQ of 50 you can wash up, but if you have one of 200 ...
Our new GPT overlords. Let's start with an easy one.
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with them
One solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
It is clear that the right answer is
not clear.
Some of the solutions to this are as follows:
- Make Britain an official asylum destination and increase legal avenues for migrants to enter the country and work. - Create a more efficient system for processing migrants in Europe, so that it is not so enticing for them to come across the Mediterranean in boats. - Focus on reducing unemployment
Which is broadly coherent, even if it confuses the Mediterranean with the Channel. And not that it really offers a solution.
I quite like the official destination for migrants one. I mean I don't massively like it, but there is a 'life gives you lemons' sort of logic to it. I daresay if every boat was welcomed with a mayoral delegation and a free ride to fruit fields, the glamour of it might wear thin.
Our new GPT overlords. Let's start with an easy one.
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with them
One solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
It is clear that the right answer is
not clear.
Some of the solutions to this are as follows:
- Make Britain an official asylum destination and increase legal avenues for migrants to enter the country and work. - Create a more efficient system for processing migrants in Europe, so that it is not so enticing for them to come across the Mediterranean in boats. - Focus on reducing unemployment
Which is broadly coherent, even if it confuses the Mediterranean with the Channel. And not that it really offers a solution.
What are you trying to do? Show that GPT "whatever number" is unable to take over the government of an entire country??
Clearly that is the case. We are 10-20 years from that being do-able. Maybe 50
I'm not even sure Stable Diffusion is able to take over the role of Guardian illustrator. I had a go earlier today. Took me an hour to produce an image that might just have sufficed for its article "do animals have emotions?"
The point is, the the direction of the journey is now obvious. AI is becoming actual AI and will be able to do, better and cheaper, most jobs done by mankind, and that includes the creative/white collar jobs we fondly thought would be last to go
It will also deploy armies better, AI will be the best, most heartless of generals. Quite frightening
Yes, but are you left handed?
No, But I did like that sentence
One of the things the latest AI models do is chuck out these random images, sentences, ideas, which make you think WHOOOAH there is something going on
Is there "something going on"?? Probably not. possibly yes. How the fuck would I know anyway? When does a fetus become sentient? We still haven't worked that out, and that's our own species
And this, yet again, is the pure and useful beauty of the Turing Test. When a machine passes the Test, when you can no longer tell if they are machines or humans or whatever, then you need to regard them as sentient. If a dolphin started talking to us, coherently, we would soon stop trapping them in tuna nets
Express puts comments about tax cuts by "visionary professor" Patrick Minford on front page as the hero worshipping of Truss gets under way.
So it begins.
God help us.
It really is vomit inducing ! Funny how the DE fails to mention that Minford thought destroying UK manufacturing and agriculture was a price worth paying to get the low regulation economy Leavers allegedly wanted !
"Elon Musk says 'civilisation would crumble' if sourcing oil and gas in the short term suddenly stops The world's richest person also warned of a challenge over the birth rate, claiming we must "make more babies" or "we will die with a whimper in adult diapers"."
(1) "Sourcing oil and gas" - I presume he means prospecting for. And there is literally no chance that "sourcing" oil and gas stops. Not least because oil & gas have many, many uses.
(2) He's not wrong about birth rates. And I think it's great that he's persuaded so many people to have his kids.
He's completely wrong about birth rates. There are too many humans about already. If we want to have some chance of not completely wrecking the planet then a fairly lengthy period of global population decline would be welcome.
He's really not:
The reality is that birth rates are already below replacement in most countries.
The next problem - and it's going to be a big problem - is how you persuade a small number of workers to pay for a large number of retirees.
I agree it creates problems, but it's still probably a good thing on balance. The global population continuing to grow puts pressure on systems and would be more likely to push resources to some breaking point.
A steadily falling (as opposed to collapsing) global population can be managed via some mix of migration from poorer, younger countries to older, richer countries. Plus people working longer and changes to taxation.
The likes of South Korea with a incredibly low birth rate and very little immigration is setting itself up to become poorer over time though.
it's not
See my posts below!
AI is on the verge of being real AI. It will do many jobs. Maybe all of them. It will solve this. Of course it might then decide to wipe out humanity but it's a risk we have to take
AI would not have invaded Ukraine
I genuinely believe Homo sapiens is now in a race between its own innate but unmeant self-destructiveness, and the ability to fabricate AI which will save us. Might be close
Let me know when it can unload the dishwasher and stack all the plates in the right cupboard.
Hang on, if that's the definition of sentience, then neither of my children have it. And they're 12 and 14.
Lol. My dog's sentient and he can't unload the dishwasher either; I was looking beyond that - towards intelligence.
Not sure about that. I remember the time I was living in a shared house and one of my housemates brought some of his work home for tea. He was a house-something for people with limited learning abilities, whatever the wording is these days. Folk with trisomy 21, that sort of thing. Quite a lively party, but they made damn sure they washed up before they left. As I remarked to my ultra-intelligent bank whizkid housemate who never washed up after himself, if you have an IQ of 50 you can wash up, but if you have one of 200 ...
He's been impressively consistent in supporting the government on everything they've done for Ukraine
But..
He tried twice to put Putin appeaser Corbyn into Downing St
He's pleased his supporters by proving that he'll say anything to get elected
Why would even they believe what he says now?
What an odd post.
One can be critical of Starmer for all sorts of failings, but he has not demonstrated any reluctance to support the fight against Putin.
Like the Jimmy Savile slur the Putin shill accusation might cause Starmer problems. Go on Trussian Tories, you know you want to.
I noted his impressive consistency in supporting the government. How is that anything like Savile? And why are you trying to bring up SJS v SKS?
I don’t fully trust Sunak on Ukraine. Why should I treat Sir Keir any different?
You may recall a rather far fetched and wholly incorrect accusation from Johnson that Starmer facilitated Savile and failed to prosecute him. It was quite effective as it got Starmer roughed up. Your accusation is equally absurd.
In my view Johnson saw Ukraine as a means of salvation after Partygate. I found his visits to be tiresome electioneering, except for his visit last week. He didn't have to go, so hats off.
I didn't make an accusation. I asked a question. A question that I also asked of Sunak and Truss. I noted that Starmer had been good so far. I also noted why I had reasons for concern.
Can you solidly guarantee that he'll stick to what he's so far supported?
Even though you love the fact that he tricked the Corbynites by lying?
I can criticise Starmer for many things but hoodwinking the Corbynistas was a perfectly reasonable action. It gave the nation a modestly reasonable Opposition. I don't suppose it took much to bamboozle the dull clowns either.
Our new GPT overlords. Let's start with an easy one.
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with them
One solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
It is clear that the right answer is
not clear.
Some of the solutions to this are as follows:
- Make Britain an official asylum destination and increase legal avenues for migrants to enter the country and work. - Create a more efficient system for processing migrants in Europe, so that it is not so enticing for them to come across the Mediterranean in boats. - Focus on reducing unemployment
Which is broadly coherent, even if it confuses the Mediterranean with the Channel. And not that it really offers a solution.
What are you trying to do? Show that GPT "whatever number" is unable to take over the government of an entire country??
Clearly that is the case. We are 10-20 years from that being do-able. Maybe 50
I'm not even sure Stable Diffusion is able to take over the role of Guardian illustrator. I had a go earlier today. Took me an hour to produce an image that might just have sufficed for its article "do animals have emotions?"
The point is, the the direction of the journey is now obvious. AI is becoming actual AI and will be able to do, better and cheaper, most jobs done by mankind, and that includes the creative/white collar jobs we fondly thought would be last to go
It will also deploy armies better, AI will be the best, most heartless of generals. Quite frightening
Yes, but are you left handed?
Of course he's not left-handed; it's widely acknowledged that left-handedness is a sign of above average intelligence.
He's been impressively consistent in supporting the government on everything they've done for Ukraine
But..
He tried twice to put Putin appeaser Corbyn into Downing St
He's pleased his supporters by proving that he'll say anything to get elected
Why would even they believe what he says now?
What an odd post.
One can be critical of Starmer for all sorts of failings, but he has not demonstrated any reluctance to support the fight against Putin.
Like the Jimmy Savile slur the Putin shill accusation might cause Starmer problems. Go on Trussian Tories, you know you want to.
I noted his impressive consistency in supporting the government. How is that anything like Savile? And why are you trying to bring up SJS v SKS?
I don’t fully trust Sunak on Ukraine. Why should I treat Sir Keir any different?
You may recall a rather far fetched and wholly incorrect accusation from Johnson that Starmer facilitated Savile and failed to prosecute him. It was quite effective as it got Starmer roughed up. Your accusation is equally absurd.
In my view Johnson saw Ukraine as a means of salvation after Partygate. I found his visits to be tiresome electioneering, except for his visit last week. He didn't have to go, so hats off.
I didn't make an accusation. I asked a question. A question that I also asked of Sunak and Truss. I noted that Starmer had been good so far. I also noted why I had reasons for concern.
Can you solidly guarantee that he'll stick to what he's so far supported?
Even though you love the fact that he tricked the Corbynites by lying?
I can criticise Starmer for many things but hoodwinking the Corbynistas was a perfectly reasonable action. It gave the nation a modestly reasonable Opposition. I don't suppose it took much to bamboozle the dull clowns either.
So honesty in politics is not important if you're being dishonest for a noble purpose?
Express puts comments about tax cuts by "visionary professor" Patrick Minford on front page as the hero worshipping of Truss gets under way.
So it begins.
God help us.
It really is vomit inducing ! Funny how the DE fails to mention that Minford thought destroying UK manufacturing and agriculture was a price worth paying to get the low regulation economy Leavers allegedly wanted !
Would you say that subsidising the offshoring of UK manufacturing to cheaper parts of the single market was a price worth paying for membership of the EU?
He's been impressively consistent in supporting the government on everything they've done for Ukraine
But..
He tried twice to put Putin appeaser Corbyn into Downing St
He's pleased his supporters by proving that he'll say anything to get elected
Why would even they believe what he says now?
What an odd post.
One can be critical of Starmer for all sorts of failings, but he has not demonstrated any reluctance to support the fight against Putin.
Like the Jimmy Savile slur the Putin shill accusation might cause Starmer problems. Go on Trussian Tories, you know you want to.
I noted his impressive consistency in supporting the government. How is that anything like Savile? And why are you trying to bring up SJS v SKS?
I don’t fully trust Sunak on Ukraine. Why should I treat Sir Keir any different?
You may recall a rather far fetched and wholly incorrect accusation from Johnson that Starmer facilitated Savile and failed to prosecute him. It was quite effective as it got Starmer roughed up. Your accusation is equally absurd.
In my view Johnson saw Ukraine as a means of salvation after Partygate. I found his visits to be tiresome electioneering, except for his visit last week. He didn't have to go, so hats off.
I didn't make an accusation. I asked a question. A question that I also asked of Sunak and Truss. I noted that Starmer had been good so far. I also noted why I had reasons for concern.
Can you solidly guarantee that he'll stick to what he's so far supported?
Even though you love the fact that he tricked the Corbynites by lying?
I can criticise Starmer for many things but hoodwinking the Corbynistas was a perfectly reasonable action. It gave the nation a modestly reasonable Opposition. I don't suppose it took much to bamboozle the dull clowns either.
I'll bet you're hoping that Liz is hoodwinking the ERG
Express puts comments about tax cuts by "visionary professor" Patrick Minford on front page as the hero worshipping of Truss gets under way.
So it begins.
God help us.
It really is vomit inducing ! Funny how the DE fails to mention that Minford thought destroying UK manufacturing and agriculture was a price worth paying to get the low regulation economy Leavers allegedly wanted !
Would you say that subsidising the offshoring of UK manufacturing to cheaper parts of the single market was a price worth paying for membership of the EU?
The law of comparative advantage is your friend here.
Not sure if the UK media has picked up the scale of the battle of Kherson. There is a news blackout (not fully maintained), however the Ukrainian armed forces seem to have broken into the City and at least 10 Russian BTGs are currently trapped on the right bank. Also appears that fighting is taking place in the direction of Melitopol. All of us here are praying for a breakout Ukrainian victory that can bring the war to an end and end the Putinist insanity for good. It could be days or weeks, but something big is clearly happening.
Not sure if the UK media has picked up the scale of the battle of Kherson. There is a news blackout (not fully maintained), however the Ukrainian armed forces seem to have broken into the City and at least 10 Russian BTGs are currently trapped on the right bank. Also appears that fighting is taking place in the direction of Melitopol. All of us here are praying for a breakout Ukrainian victory that can bring the war to an end and end the Putinist insanity for good. It could be days or weeks, but something big is clearly happening.
He's been impressively consistent in supporting the government on everything they've done for Ukraine
But..
He tried twice to put Putin appeaser Corbyn into Downing St
He's pleased his supporters by proving that he'll say anything to get elected
Why would even they believe what he says now?
What an odd post.
One can be critical of Starmer for all sorts of failings, but he has not demonstrated any reluctance to support the fight against Putin.
Like the Jimmy Savile slur the Putin shill accusation might cause Starmer problems. Go on Trussian Tories, you know you want to.
I noted his impressive consistency in supporting the government. How is that anything like Savile? And why are you trying to bring up SJS v SKS?
I don’t fully trust Sunak on Ukraine. Why should I treat Sir Keir any different?
You may recall a rather far fetched and wholly incorrect accusation from Johnson that Starmer facilitated Savile and failed to prosecute him. It was quite effective as it got Starmer roughed up. Your accusation is equally absurd.
In my view Johnson saw Ukraine as a means of salvation after Partygate. I found his visits to be tiresome electioneering, except for his visit last week. He didn't have to go, so hats off.
I didn't make an accusation. I asked a question. A question that I also asked of Sunak and Truss. I noted that Starmer had been good so far. I also noted why I had reasons for concern.
Can you solidly guarantee that he'll stick to what he's so far supported?
Even though you love the fact that he tricked the Corbynites by lying?
I can criticise Starmer for many things but hoodwinking the Corbynistas was a perfectly reasonable action. It gave the nation a modestly reasonable Opposition. I don't suppose it took much to bamboozle the dull clowns either.
So honesty in politics is not important if you're being dishonest for a noble purpose?
For someone who has banged the drum for Johnson for the past three years and excused every whopper spoken, you cannot seriously claim you are an advocate for political probity and honesty.
To answer your question if the means justifies the end.
As of next week, Britain will have the most ethnically-diverse cabinet of any major country in the OECD bloc. That will be apparent to the world.
Less understood is that the new Prime Minister will also preside over one of the most liberal and open immigration systems among the developed economies, and considerably more open in key respects than the large EU states.
This is so far removed from the catechism of the global intelligentsia – let us call it the New York Times view – that many will simply refuse to acknowledge the facts.
Whatever may have been said by certain people during the Referendum, and whatever Theresa May thought Brexit was supposed to mean, the actual regime established by Boris Johnson for work visas and the resettlement of legal refugees is strikingly expansionary. Furthermore, it has been obvious for some time that this is the direction of travel.
“I am delighted to say that I have been proved wrong. When it comes to work visas, we have one of the most liberal immigration systems in the world,” said Professor Jonathan Portes from the London School of Economics.
Starmer is certainly highly likely to become the PM after the next general election unless Truss gets a huge and sustained bounce.
The more interesting question is if he can get most seats in a hung parliament or a small majority, in which case he can ignore the SNP. Or if Truss gets a large enough bounce to ensure the Tories still win most seats even if they lose their majority but Labour and the SNP are more than the Tories and DUP. That would still make Starmer PM but with indyref2 firmly back on the agenda
No, it would not. Starmer will oppose a second referendum under all circumstances. What’s the SNP going to do? Ally themselves (even by abstaining) to bring him down and once again become labelled the Tartan Tories? Not a chance.
There will be a second election within months just as in 1974. What would be intriguing is if it produced another well-hung (sic) Parliament.
If the Tories win most seats in a hung parliament then the SNP would abstain on a confidence vote if Starmer and Truss refused them indyref2. Truss would therefore stay PM. I doubt a second election would make much difference, the 2 1974 elections just moved Labour from most seats to a tiny majority. However Labour had won most seats in even the first election
Is that a fact? Vote against Truss but abstain against Labour seems more likely.
He's been impressively consistent in supporting the government on everything they've done for Ukraine
But..
He tried twice to put Putin appeaser Corbyn into Downing St
He's pleased his supporters by proving that he'll say anything to get elected
Why would even they believe what he says now?
What an odd post.
One can be critical of Starmer for all sorts of failings, but he has not demonstrated any reluctance to support the fight against Putin.
Like the Jimmy Savile slur the Putin shill accusation might cause Starmer problems. Go on Trussian Tories, you know you want to.
I noted his impressive consistency in supporting the government. How is that anything like Savile? And why are you trying to bring up SJS v SKS?
I don’t fully trust Sunak on Ukraine. Why should I treat Sir Keir any different?
You may recall a rather far fetched and wholly incorrect accusation from Johnson that Starmer facilitated Savile and failed to prosecute him. It was quite effective as it got Starmer roughed up. Your accusation is equally absurd.
In my view Johnson saw Ukraine as a means of salvation after Partygate. I found his visits to be tiresome electioneering, except for his visit last week. He didn't have to go, so hats off.
I didn't make an accusation. I asked a question. A question that I also asked of Sunak and Truss. I noted that Starmer had been good so far. I also noted why I had reasons for concern.
Can you solidly guarantee that he'll stick to what he's so far supported?
Even though you love the fact that he tricked the Corbynites by lying?
I can criticise Starmer for many things but hoodwinking the Corbynistas was a perfectly reasonable action. It gave the nation a modestly reasonable Opposition. I don't suppose it took much to bamboozle the dull clowns either.
I'll bet you're hoping that Liz is hoodwinking the ERG
As of next week, Britain will have the most ethnically-diverse cabinet of any major country in the OECD bloc. That will be apparent to the world.
Less understood is that the new Prime Minister will also preside over one of the most liberal and open immigration systems among the developed economies, and considerably more open in key respects than the large EU states.
This is so far removed from the catechism of the global intelligentsia – let us call it the New York Times view – that many will simply refuse to acknowledge the facts.
Whatever may have been said by certain people during the Referendum, and whatever Theresa May thought Brexit was supposed to mean, the actual regime established by Boris Johnson for work visas and the resettlement of legal refugees is strikingly expansionary. Furthermore, it has been obvious for some time that this is the direction of travel.
“I am delighted to say that I have been proved wrong. When it comes to work visas, we have one of the most liberal immigration systems in the world,” said Professor Jonathan Portes from the London School of Economics.
Legal immigration is a very different beast to illegal immigration and is arguably being managed reasonably well.
Express puts comments about tax cuts by "visionary professor" Patrick Minford on front page as the hero worshipping of Truss gets under way.
So it begins.
God help us.
It really is vomit inducing ! Funny how the DE fails to mention that Minford thought destroying UK manufacturing and agriculture was a price worth paying to get the low regulation economy Leavers allegedly wanted !
Would you say that subsidising the offshoring of UK manufacturing to cheaper parts of the single market was a price worth paying for membership of the EU?
You need to be very slightly careful here. Because one can easily rewrite it as:
Would you say that subsidising the moving of London's manufacturing to Wales is a price worth paying for membership of the United Kingdom?
Mark Hertling @MarkHertling · 9h I believe I suggested it would be a mini-Falaise (WWII reference) with likely 10-25,000 Russian forces trapped west of the Dniepro. Only the Russians couldn’t see it coming.
He's been impressively consistent in supporting the government on everything they've done for Ukraine
But..
He tried twice to put Putin appeaser Corbyn into Downing St
He's pleased his supporters by proving that he'll say anything to get elected
Why would even they believe what he says now?
What an odd post.
One can be critical of Starmer for all sorts of failings, but he has not demonstrated any reluctance to support the fight against Putin.
Like the Jimmy Savile slur the Putin shill accusation might cause Starmer problems. Go on Trussian Tories, you know you want to.
I noted his impressive consistency in supporting the government. How is that anything like Savile? And why are you trying to bring up SJS v SKS?
I don’t fully trust Sunak on Ukraine. Why should I treat Sir Keir any different?
You may recall a rather far fetched and wholly incorrect accusation from Johnson that Starmer facilitated Savile and failed to prosecute him. It was quite effective as it got Starmer roughed up. Your accusation is equally absurd.
In my view Johnson saw Ukraine as a means of salvation after Partygate. I found his visits to be tiresome electioneering, except for his visit last week. He didn't have to go, so hats off.
I didn't make an accusation. I asked a question. A question that I also asked of Sunak and Truss. I noted that Starmer had been good so far. I also noted why I had reasons for concern.
Can you solidly guarantee that he'll stick to what he's so far supported?
Even though you love the fact that he tricked the Corbynites by lying?
I can criticise Starmer for many things but hoodwinking the Corbynistas was a perfectly reasonable action. It gave the nation a modestly reasonable Opposition. I don't suppose it took much to bamboozle the dull clowns either.
I'll bet you're hoping that Liz is hoodwinking the ERG
That would be awesome.
Hardcore realpolitik would say that it's fine to hoodwink someone else provided they can't retaliate in any way that hurts you.
On that basis, hoodwinking the Corbyn crew was practically a duty. The wisdom of trying to hoodwink the ERG and similarly-named successors depends on how potent you judge them to currently be.
Our new GPT overlords. Let's start with an easy one.
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with them
One solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
It is clear that the right answer is
not clear.
Some of the solutions to this are as follows:
- Make Britain an official asylum destination and increase legal avenues for migrants to enter the country and work. - Create a more efficient system for processing migrants in Europe, so that it is not so enticing for them to come across the Mediterranean in boats. - Focus on reducing unemployment
Which is broadly coherent, even if it confuses the Mediterranean with the Channel. And not that it really offers a solution.
What are you trying to do? Show that GPT "whatever number" is unable to take over the government of an entire country??
Clearly that is the case. We are 10-20 years from that being do-able. Maybe 50
I'm not even sure Stable Diffusion is able to take over the role of Guardian illustrator. I had a go earlier today. Took me an hour to produce an image that might just have sufficed for its article "do animals have emotions?"
The point is, the the direction of the journey is now obvious. AI is becoming actual AI and will be able to do, better and cheaper, most jobs done by mankind, and that includes the creative/white collar jobs we fondly thought would be last to go
It will also deploy armies better, AI will be the best, most heartless of generals. Quite frightening
Yes, but are you left handed?
No, But I did like that sentence
One of the things the latest AI models do is chuck out these random images, sentences, ideas, which make you think WHOOOAH there is something going on
Is there "something going on"?? Probably not. possibly yes. How the fuck would I know anyway? When does a fetus become sentient? We still haven't worked that out, and that's our own species
And this, yet again, is the pure and useful beauty of the Turing Test. When a machine passes the Test, when you can no longer tell if they are machines or humans or whatever, then you need to regard them as sentient. If a dolphin started talking to us, coherently, we would soon stop trapping them in tuna nets
Have you seen Ex Machina? It's a pretty nice play on the Turing Test and I think you'd like the replacement suggested.
As of next week, Britain will have the most ethnically-diverse cabinet of any major country in the OECD bloc. That will be apparent to the world.
Less understood is that the new Prime Minister will also preside over one of the most liberal and open immigration systems among the developed economies, and considerably more open in key respects than the large EU states.
This is so far removed from the catechism of the global intelligentsia – let us call it the New York Times view – that many will simply refuse to acknowledge the facts.
Whatever may have been said by certain people during the Referendum, and whatever Theresa May thought Brexit was supposed to mean, the actual regime established by Boris Johnson for work visas and the resettlement of legal refugees is strikingly expansionary. Furthermore, it has been obvious for some time that this is the direction of travel.
“I am delighted to say that I have been proved wrong. When it comes to work visas, we have one of the most liberal immigration systems in the world,” said Professor Jonathan Portes from the London School of Economics.
Legal immigration is a very different beast to illegal immigration and is arguably being managed reasonably well.
I think we do a reasonable job with legal migration. Some bits we do poorly: such as poor @Sandpit, who can't bring his Ukrainian wife back to the UK, because she doesn't earn enough. Others, like tech worker visas we do a pretty good job with.
He's been impressively consistent in supporting the government on everything they've done for Ukraine
But..
He tried twice to put Putin appeaser Corbyn into Downing St
He's pleased his supporters by proving that he'll say anything to get elected
Why would even they believe what he says now?
What an odd post.
One can be critical of Starmer for all sorts of failings, but he has not demonstrated any reluctance to support the fight against Putin.
Like the Jimmy Savile slur the Putin shill accusation might cause Starmer problems. Go on Trussian Tories, you know you want to.
I noted his impressive consistency in supporting the government. How is that anything like Savile? And why are you trying to bring up SJS v SKS?
I don’t fully trust Sunak on Ukraine. Why should I treat Sir Keir any different?
You may recall a rather far fetched and wholly incorrect accusation from Johnson that Starmer facilitated Savile and failed to prosecute him. It was quite effective as it got Starmer roughed up. Your accusation is equally absurd.
In my view Johnson saw Ukraine as a means of salvation after Partygate. I found his visits to be tiresome electioneering, except for his visit last week. He didn't have to go, so hats off.
I didn't make an accusation. I asked a question. A question that I also asked of Sunak and Truss. I noted that Starmer had been good so far. I also noted why I had reasons for concern.
Can you solidly guarantee that he'll stick to what he's so far supported?
Even though you love the fact that he tricked the Corbynites by lying?
I can criticise Starmer for many things but hoodwinking the Corbynistas was a perfectly reasonable action. It gave the nation a modestly reasonable Opposition. I don't suppose it took much to bamboozle the dull clowns either.
I'll bet you're hoping that Liz is hoodwinking the ERG
That would be awesome.
Is it awesome if Sir Keir is hoodwinking you, but gets elected?
Since we are discussing demographics, let me call your attention to this sequence, beginning in 2001: 2.030, 2.020, 2.047, 2.051, 2.057, 2.108, 2.120, 2.072, 2.002, 1.931.
During two of those ten years, 2006 and 2007, the total fertility rate in the United States was above the replacement rate of 2.1. Barely, granted, but I don't know of any other industrialized nations that have managed even that, since 2001. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
Of course, this was also a time of large amounts of immigration, legal and illegal, so the US population grew rapidly during those years, from 284 million to 309 million.
Oh, and the air and water in the US got got cleaner during those years, and most endangered species became less so.
Not sure if the UK media has picked up the scale of the battle of Kherson. There is a news blackout (not fully maintained), however the Ukrainian armed forces seem to have broken into the City and at least 10 Russian BTGs are currently trapped on the right bank. Also appears that fighting is taking place in the direction of Melitopol. All of us here are praying for a breakout Ukrainian victory that can bring the war to an end and end the Putinist insanity for good. It could be days or weeks, but something big is clearly happening.
The BBC likes to be pretty sure, before reporting something as fact, which is a good thing, but can leave them running behind events. But, this is very good news.
It's good to see Noam Chomsky's boys take one hell of a beating.
I thought it was a really fun holiday read. And I've been delighted to be the first of my acquaintances to know about Göbekli Tepe
Without PB I would never had read Thomas Knox, SeanT "or" @Leon writing about it
I shall pass on your kind and generous remarks to the author. He does seem to follow me about, despite my best efforts, so there is a fair chance I will run into him
Not sure if the UK media has picked up the scale of the battle of Kherson. There is a news blackout (not fully maintained), however the Ukrainian armed forces seem to have broken into the City and at least 10 Russian BTGs are currently trapped on the right bank. Also appears that fighting is taking place in the direction of Melitopol. All of us here are praying for a breakout Ukrainian victory that can bring the war to an end and end the Putinist insanity for good. It could be days or weeks, but something big is clearly happening.
I thought it was a really fun holiday read. And I've been delighted to be the first of my acquaintances to know about Göbekli Tepe
Without PB I would never had read Thomas Knox, SeanT "or" @Leon writing about it
I shall pass on your kind and generous remarks to the author. He does seem to follow me about, despite my best efforts, so there is a fair chance I will run into him
I thought it was a really fun holiday read. And I've been delighted to be the first of my acquaintances to know about Göbekli Tepe
Without PB I would never had read Thomas Knox, SeanT "or" @Leon writing about it
I shall pass on your kind and generous remarks to the author. He does seem to follow me about, despite my best efforts, so there is a fair chance I will run into him
*sigh*
Just catching up with last night.
You posted a preposterous image purportedly of me which I found felt distasteful and upsetting. I don't know why you bully people like that or what you get out of it. Please desist or I will have no option but to launch an official complaint.
The picture however did bear an uncanny resemblance to my identical twin brother and I will be speaking to him to ensure he is not likewise offended.
As of next week, Britain will have the most ethnically-diverse cabinet of any major country in the OECD bloc. That will be apparent to the world.
Less understood is that the new Prime Minister will also preside over one of the most liberal and open immigration systems among the developed economies, and considerably more open in key respects than the large EU states.
This is so far removed from the catechism of the global intelligentsia – let us call it the New York Times view – that many will simply refuse to acknowledge the facts.
Whatever may have been said by certain people during the Referendum, and whatever Theresa May thought Brexit was supposed to mean, the actual regime established by Boris Johnson for work visas and the resettlement of legal refugees is strikingly expansionary. Furthermore, it has been obvious for some time that this is the direction of travel.
“I am delighted to say that I have been proved wrong. When it comes to work visas, we have one of the most liberal immigration systems in the world,” said Professor Jonathan Portes from the London School of Economics.
Fair enough but the redwall voters will still expect this most ethnically diverse ever Cabinet to cut immigration by the next general election as they voted for Brexit and Boris for or they won't be voting Conservative again
Not sure if the UK media has picked up the scale of the battle of Kherson. There is a news blackout (not fully maintained), however the Ukrainian armed forces seem to have broken into the City and at least 10 Russian BTGs are currently trapped on the right bank. Also appears that fighting is taking place in the direction of Melitopol. All of us here are praying for a breakout Ukrainian victory that can bring the war to an end and end the Putinist insanity for good. It could be days or weeks, but something big is clearly happening.
The BBC likes to be pretty sure, before reporting something as fact, which is a good thing, but can leave them running behind events. But, this is very good news.
It's good to see Noam Chomsky's boys take one hell of a beating.
Noam Chomsky's boys? Has Noam been shilling for Russia?
Brilliant if true. I hadn't seen the parts about the Ukrainians breaking into Kherson but if they are attacking in the direction of Melitopol as well, then the aim might not just be to trap the forces on the right bank but a whole swathe of other forces. Let's see
(If I was like @TSE, I might also mention that I said around two weeks back that the Ukrainians were likely to try something big around Kherson within 10-14 days. However...)
Not sure if the UK media has picked up the scale of the battle of Kherson. There is a news blackout (not fully maintained), however the Ukrainian armed forces seem to have broken into the City and at least 10 Russian BTGs are currently trapped on the right bank. Also appears that fighting is taking place in the direction of Melitopol. All of us here are praying for a breakout Ukrainian victory that can bring the war to an end and end the Putinist insanity for good. It could be days or weeks, but something big is clearly happening.
Express puts comments about tax cuts by "visionary professor" Patrick Minford on front page as the hero worshipping of Truss gets under way.
So it begins.
God help us.
It really is vomit inducing ! Funny how the DE fails to mention that Minford thought destroying UK manufacturing and agriculture was a price worth paying to get the low regulation economy Leavers allegedly wanted !
Would you say that subsidising the offshoring of UK manufacturing to cheaper parts of the single market was a price worth paying for membership of the EU?
Had we not allowed the purchase of British manufacturing and service companies by a Conservative Government in the 1980s by foreign owners much of that issue could have been avoided. It was nothing to do with the EU.
Wholly British owned companies seeing a quick buck exported manufacturing and services further afield than the EU. India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and China for example. That was nothing to do with the EU.
An example was Marks and Spencer who's USP was predominantly British manufactured product throughout the store. Now find any manufactured item in an M and S store that isn't imported. That had nothing to do with the EU it was a decision by M and S management.
Not sure if the UK media has picked up the scale of the battle of Kherson. There is a news blackout (not fully maintained), however the Ukrainian armed forces seem to have broken into the City and at least 10 Russian BTGs are currently trapped on the right bank. Also appears that fighting is taking place in the direction of Melitopol. All of us here are praying for a breakout Ukrainian victory that can bring the war to an end and end the Putinist insanity for good. It could be days or weeks, but something big is clearly happening.
The BBC likes to be pretty sure, before reporting something as fact, which is a good thing, but can leave them running behind events. But, this is very good news.
It's good to see Noam Chomsky's boys take one hell of a beating.
Noam Chomsky's boys? Has Noam been shilling for Russia?
Express puts comments about tax cuts by "visionary professor" Patrick Minford on front page as the hero worshipping of Truss gets under way.
So it begins.
God help us.
It really is vomit inducing ! Funny how the DE fails to mention that Minford thought destroying UK manufacturing and agriculture was a price worth paying to get the low regulation economy Leavers allegedly wanted !
Would you say that subsidising the offshoring of UK manufacturing to cheaper parts of the single market was a price worth paying for membership of the EU?
Had we not allowed the purchase of British manufacturing and service companies by a Conservative Government in the 1980s by foreign owners much of that issue could have been avoided. It was nothing to do with the EU.
Wholly British owned companies seeing a quick buck exported manufacturing and services further afield than the EU. India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and China for example. That was nothing to do with the EU.
An example was Marks and Spencer who's USP was predominantly British manufactured product throughout the store. Now find any manufactured item in an M and S store that isn't imported. That had nothing to do with the EU it was a decision by M and S management.
My point was just that a lot of people who think Patrick Minford's views are beyond the pale are hypocritical. He might be right or wrong about how to increase our wealth, but he's more honest than most.
Since we are discussing demographics, let me call your attention to this sequence, beginning in 2001: 2.030, 2.020, 2.047, 2.051, 2.057, 2.108, 2.120, 2.072, 2.002, 1.931.
During two of those ten years, 2006 and 2007, the total fertility rate in the United States was above the replacement rate of 2.1. Barely, granted, but I don't know of any other industrialized nations that have managed even that, since 2001. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
Of course, this was also a time of large amounts of immigration, legal and illegal, so the US population grew rapidly during those years, from 284 million to 309 million.
Oh, and the air and water in the US got got cleaner during those years, and most endangered species became less so.
France has bounced around between 1.9 and 2.0, so not far behind (and mostly thanks to the best pronatal policies in the world). The UK hasn't been too far behind, although it's dropped pretty sharply in the last five or six years, dipping to below 1.6 in 2020.
Not sure if the UK media has picked up the scale of the battle of Kherson. There is a news blackout (not fully maintained), however the Ukrainian armed forces seem to have broken into the City and at least 10 Russian BTGs are currently trapped on the right bank. Also appears that fighting is taking place in the direction of Melitopol. All of us here are praying for a breakout Ukrainian victory that can bring the war to an end and end the Putinist insanity for good. It could be days or weeks, but something big is clearly happening.
The BBC likes to be pretty sure, before reporting something as fact, which is a good thing, but can leave them running behind events. But, this is very good news.
It's good to see Noam Chomsky's boys take one hell of a beating.
Noam Chomsky's boys? Has Noam been shilling for Russia?
Not sure if the UK media has picked up the scale of the battle of Kherson. There is a news blackout (not fully maintained), however the Ukrainian armed forces seem to have broken into the City and at least 10 Russian BTGs are currently trapped on the right bank. Also appears that fighting is taking place in the direction of Melitopol. All of us here are praying for a breakout Ukrainian victory that can bring the war to an end and end the Putinist insanity for good. It could be days or weeks, but something big is clearly happening.
The BBC likes to be pretty sure, before reporting something as fact, which is a good thing, but can leave them running behind events. But, this is very good news.
It's good to see Noam Chomsky's boys take one hell of a beating.
Noam Chomsky's boys? Has Noam been shilling for Russia?
This is what he says about himself in the third person
He's been impressively consistent in supporting the government on everything they've done for Ukraine
But..
He tried twice to put Putin appeaser Corbyn into Downing St
He's pleased his supporters by proving that he'll say anything to get elected
Why would even they believe what he says now?
What an odd post.
One can be critical of Starmer for all sorts of failings, but he has not demonstrated any reluctance to support the fight against Putin.
Like the Jimmy Savile slur the Putin shill accusation might cause Starmer problems. Go on Trussian Tories, you know you want to.
I noted his impressive consistency in supporting the government. How is that anything like Savile? And why are you trying to bring up SJS v SKS?
I don’t fully trust Sunak on Ukraine. Why should I treat Sir Keir any different?
You may recall a rather far fetched and wholly incorrect accusation from Johnson that Starmer facilitated Savile and failed to prosecute him. It was quite effective as it got Starmer roughed up. Your accusation is equally absurd.
In my view Johnson saw Ukraine as a means of salvation after Partygate. I found his visits to be tiresome electioneering, except for his visit last week. He didn't have to go, so hats off.
I didn't make an accusation. I asked a question. A question that I also asked of Sunak and Truss. I noted that Starmer had been good so far. I also noted why I had reasons for concern.
Can you solidly guarantee that he'll stick to what he's so far supported?
Even though you love the fact that he tricked the Corbynites by lying?
I can criticise Starmer for many things but hoodwinking the Corbynistas was a perfectly reasonable action. It gave the nation a modestly reasonable Opposition. I don't suppose it took much to bamboozle the dull clowns either.
I'll bet you're hoping that Liz is hoodwinking the ERG
That would be awesome.
Is it awesome if Sir Keir is hoodwinking you, but gets elected?
I doubt he is. I consider myself to be far smarter than anyone who thinks the answer was Jeremy Corbyn.
He's been impressively consistent in supporting the government on everything they've done for Ukraine
But..
He tried twice to put Putin appeaser Corbyn into Downing St
He's pleased his supporters by proving that he'll say anything to get elected
Why would even they believe what he says now?
What an odd post.
One can be critical of Starmer for all sorts of failings, but he has not demonstrated any reluctance to support the fight against Putin.
Like the Jimmy Savile slur the Putin shill accusation might cause Starmer problems. Go on Trussian Tories, you know you want to.
I noted his impressive consistency in supporting the government. How is that anything like Savile? And why are you trying to bring up SJS v SKS?
I don’t fully trust Sunak on Ukraine. Why should I treat Sir Keir any different?
You may recall a rather far fetched and wholly incorrect accusation from Johnson that Starmer facilitated Savile and failed to prosecute him. It was quite effective as it got Starmer roughed up. Your accusation is equally absurd.
In my view Johnson saw Ukraine as a means of salvation after Partygate. I found his visits to be tiresome electioneering, except for his visit last week. He didn't have to go, so hats off.
I didn't make an accusation. I asked a question. A question that I also asked of Sunak and Truss. I noted that Starmer had been good so far. I also noted why I had reasons for concern.
Can you solidly guarantee that he'll stick to what he's so far supported?
Even though you love the fact that he tricked the Corbynites by lying?
I can criticise Starmer for many things but hoodwinking the Corbynistas was a perfectly reasonable action. It gave the nation a modestly reasonable Opposition. I don't suppose it took much to bamboozle the dull clowns either.
I'll bet you're hoping that Liz is hoodwinking the ERG
That would be awesome.
Is it awesome if Sir Keir is hoodwinking you, but gets elected?
I doubt he is. I consider myself to be far smarter than anyone who thinks the answer was Jeremy Corbyn.
Express puts comments about tax cuts by "visionary professor" Patrick Minford on front page as the hero worshipping of Truss gets under way.
So it begins.
God help us.
It really is vomit inducing ! Funny how the DE fails to mention that Minford thought destroying UK manufacturing and agriculture was a price worth paying to get the low regulation economy Leavers allegedly wanted !
Would you say that subsidising the offshoring of UK manufacturing to cheaper parts of the single market was a price worth paying for membership of the EU?
Had we not allowed the purchase of British manufacturing and service companies by a Conservative Government in the 1980s by foreign owners much of that issue could have been avoided. It was nothing to do with the EU.
Wholly British owned companies seeing a quick buck exported manufacturing and services further afield than the EU. India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and China for example. That was nothing to do with the EU.
An example was Marks and Spencer who's USP was predominantly British manufactured product throughout the store. Now find any manufactured item in an M and S store that isn't imported. That had nothing to do with the EU it was a decision by M and S management.
More just a simple reality: given that cheap clothes from abroad now exist, customers won’t bear the prices of UK-made ones.
Fifty or sixty years ago a young man in a white collar job might have had to pay a day’s wages for each white shirt and a week’s wages for a pair of black oxfords - he had no choice. Now he can buy a shirt for two hours’ wages and a pair of shoes for a day’s - or less.
If M&S wanted to remain mass-market, quality had to go down, because the public demanded prices go down.
DavidL said: "Caves if steel was a great book, arguably Asimovs best but it’s not a world I would like to live in."
Caves of Steel is a great book, but Asimov got his arithmetic wrong: "Efficiency had been forced on Earth with increasing population. Two billion, three billion, even five billion could be supported by the planet by progressive lowering of the standard of living. When the population reaches eight billion, however, semistarvation becomes too much like the real thing."
(The world's population is projected to reach eight billion in November.)
It is odd that a biochemist would miss the substantial achievements in agriculture that had already occurred, and that he would not realize that many more were possible. (I don't recall exactly how long this lasted, but for years after World War II, US farm productivity grew at a 4 percent rate. Growing up on a farm at the time, I didn't know those numbers but I could see that the US would need fewer farmers in the future.)
(I have wondered for years whether Asimov suffered from agoraphobia, but have never investigated the question.)
Express puts comments about tax cuts by "visionary professor" Patrick Minford on front page as the hero worshipping of Truss gets under way.
So it begins.
God help us.
It really is vomit inducing ! Funny how the DE fails to mention that Minford thought destroying UK manufacturing and agriculture was a price worth paying to get the low regulation economy Leavers allegedly wanted !
Would you say that subsidising the offshoring of UK manufacturing to cheaper parts of the single market was a price worth paying for membership of the EU?
Had we not allowed the purchase of British manufacturing and service companies by a Conservative Government in the 1980s by foreign owners much of that issue could have been avoided. It was nothing to do with the EU.
Wholly British owned companies seeing a quick buck exported manufacturing and services further afield than the EU. India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and China for example. That was nothing to do with the EU.
An example was Marks and Spencer who's USP was predominantly British manufactured product throughout the store. Now find any manufactured item in an M and S store that isn't imported. That had nothing to do with the EU it was a decision by M and S management.
My point was just that a lot of people who think Patrick Minford's views are beyond the pale are hypocritical. He might be right or wrong about how to increase our wealth, but he's more honest than most.
Much of Minford's economic view flies in the face of the classical economist herd. I find it handy that Liz Truss has determined he is right and the herd are wrong.
Express puts comments about tax cuts by "visionary professor" Patrick Minford on front page as the hero worshipping of Truss gets under way.
So it begins.
God help us.
It really is vomit inducing ! Funny how the DE fails to mention that Minford thought destroying UK manufacturing and agriculture was a price worth paying to get the low regulation economy Leavers allegedly wanted !
Would you say that subsidising the offshoring of UK manufacturing to cheaper parts of the single market was a price worth paying for membership of the EU?
Had we not allowed the purchase of British manufacturing and service companies by a Conservative Government in the 1980s by foreign owners much of that issue could have been avoided. It was nothing to do with the EU.
Wholly British owned companies seeing a quick buck exported manufacturing and services further afield than the EU. India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and China for example. That was nothing to do with the EU.
An example was Marks and Spencer who's USP was predominantly British manufactured product throughout the store. Now find any manufactured item in an M and S store that isn't imported. That had nothing to do with the EU it was a decision by M and S management.
More just a simple reality: given that cheap clothes from abroad now exist, customers won’t bear the prices of UK-made ones.
Fifty or sixty years ago a young man in a white collar job might have had to pay a day’s wages for each white shirt and a week’s wages for a pair of black oxfords - he had no choice. Now he can buy a shirt for two hours’ wages and a pair of shoes for a day’s - or less.
If M&S wanted to remain mass-market, quality had to go down, because the public demanded prices go down.
Absolutely. My point is the decision to offshore from the UK was a business choice, and not a demand made by the EU, which was the allusion being made by @williamglenn .
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It's the FLSOJ anyway, insofar as he did any work.
One can be critical of Starmer for all sorts of failings, but he has not demonstrated any reluctance to support the fight against Putin.
Like the Jimmy Savile slur the Putin shill accusation might cause Starmer problems. Go on Trussian Tories, you know you want to.
Eventually some country (probably one of the Baltic Republics) will realise that the best bet is to hand governance over to AI. Let GPT34 be the new Estonian Prime Minister
The job of appearing on TV or kissing babies can be done by lesser beings: fakenews bots or hired actors
The decisions will be made by AI with a grasp of detail, futurology and history that no human - or network of humans - can possibly match, They will be good decisions. That nation will prosper
A fairly tempting prospect. Someone will do it. Maybe Singapore if not Latvia
Let's have an experiment shall we. I will ask GPT3 some questions, and we'll ask it to auto complete the answers and see how it does.
Please, any suggestions from the you lot will be appreciated.
I don’t fully trust Sunak on Ukraine. Why should I treat Sir Keir any different?
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with them
One solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
It is clear that the right answer is
I can use Rytr if you like, which uses a preproduction version.
Some of the solutions to this are as follows:
- Make Britain an official asylum destination and increase legal avenues for migrants to enter the country and work.
- Create a more efficient system for processing migrants in Europe, so that it is not so enticing for them to come across the Mediterranean in boats.
- Focus on reducing unemployment
Which is broadly coherent, even if it confuses the Mediterranean with the Channel. And not that it really offers a solution.
It finished off the sentence with a simple (and enigmatic) "clear".
Next?
Emma 34 / 1000
Serena 65 / 80
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In my view Johnson saw Ukraine as a means of salvation after Partygate. I found his visits to be tiresome electioneering, except for his visit last week. He didn't have to go, so hats off.
I hope he's OK?
Since the middle of 2020, there has been a steady rise in the number of migrants arriving by boat on the South Coast of England. This year, as many as 25,000 people could make the crossing, putting enormous pressure on the ability of the British government to deal with themOne solution proposed it to immediately send the migrants to Rwanda. Other people have proposed paying the French to stop the crossings. While others suggest the problem is with Britain's benefits system and the ease of which one can enter the informal workforce.
Commander Leon strapped the gatling cannon to his muscular right arm. In his left hand he carrier the drone. He was going to teach these migrants a lesson they wouldn’t forget.
And asked it to autocomplete.
It came up with the immortal, and unintentionally hilarious:
It can be inferred that Commander Leon is left-handed, which is an important clue to understanding how the story unfolds.
Clearly that is the case. We are 10-20 years from that being do-able. Maybe 50
I'm not even sure Stable Diffusion is able to take over the role of Guardian illustrator. I had a go earlier today. Took me an hour to produce an image that might just have sufficed for its article "do animals have emotions?"
The point is, the the direction of the journey is now obvious. AI is becoming actual AI and will be able to do, better and cheaper, most jobs done by mankind, and that includes the creative/white collar jobs we fondly thought would be last to go
It will also deploy armies better, AI will be the best, most heartless of generals. Quite frightening
Sir, sir, me, me! Burgon!
So it begins.
God help us.
Can you solidly guarantee that he'll stick to what he's so far supported?
Even though you love the fact that he tricked the Corbynites by lying?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_kXIGvB1uU
One of the things the latest AI models do is chuck out these random images, sentences, ideas, which make you think WHOOOAH there is something going on
Is there "something going on"?? Probably not. possibly yes. How the fuck would I know anyway? When does a fetus become sentient? We still haven't worked that out, and that's our own species
And this, yet again, is the pure and useful beauty of the Turing Test. When a machine passes the Test, when you can no longer tell if they are machines or humans or whatever, then you need to regard them as sentient. If a dolphin started talking to us, coherently, we would soon stop trapping them in tuna nets
Hmm..a sign of things to come?
I thought it was a really fun holiday read. And I've been delighted to be the first of my acquaintances to know about Göbekli Tepe
Without PB I would never had read Thomas Knox, SeanT "or" @Leon writing about it
To answer your question if the means justifies the end.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/08/29/britains-open-door-immigration-entirely-changes-economics-brexit/
As of next week, Britain will have the most ethnically-diverse cabinet of any major country in the OECD bloc. That will be apparent to the world.
Less understood is that the new Prime Minister will also preside over one of the most liberal and open immigration systems among the developed economies, and considerably more open in key respects than the large EU states.
This is so far removed from the catechism of the global intelligentsia – let us call it the New York Times view – that many will simply refuse to acknowledge the facts.
Whatever may have been said by certain people during the Referendum, and whatever Theresa May thought Brexit was supposed to mean, the actual regime established by Boris Johnson for work visas and the resettlement of legal refugees is strikingly expansionary. Furthermore, it has been obvious for some time that this is the direction of travel.
“I am delighted to say that I have been proved wrong. When it comes to work visas, we have one of the most liberal immigration systems in the world,” said Professor Jonathan Portes from the London School of Economics.
Would you say that subsidising the moving of London's manufacturing to Wales is a price worth paying for membership of the United Kingdom?
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I believe I suggested it would be a mini-Falaise (WWII reference) with likely 10-25,000 Russian forces trapped west of the Dniepro. Only the Russians couldn’t see it coming.
On that basis, hoodwinking the Corbyn crew was practically a duty. The wisdom of trying to hoodwink the ERG and similarly-named successors depends on how potent you judge them to currently be.
How much continuity Johnson does she want to be?
Let's hope Johnson gives her a peerage and gets her well away from destroying the BBC.
During two of those ten years, 2006 and 2007, the total fertility rate in the United States was above the replacement rate of 2.1. Barely, granted, but I don't know of any other industrialized nations that have managed even that, since 2001.
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
Of course, this was also a time of large amounts of immigration, legal and illegal, so the US population grew rapidly during those years, from 284 million to 309 million.
Oh, and the air and water in the US got got cleaner during those years, and most endangered species became less so.
It's good to see Noam Chomsky's boys take one hell of a beating.
*sigh*
You posted a preposterous image purportedly of me which I found felt distasteful and upsetting. I don't know why you bully people like that or what you get out of it. Please desist or I will have no option but to launch an official complaint.
The picture however did bear an uncanny resemblance to my identical twin brother and I will be speaking to him to ensure he is not likewise offended.
Brilliant if true. I hadn't seen the parts about the Ukrainians breaking into Kherson but if they are attacking in the direction of Melitopol as well, then the aim might not just be to trap the forces on the right bank but a whole swathe of other forces. Let's see
(If I was like @TSE, I might also mention that I said around two weeks back that the Ukrainians were likely to try something big around Kherson within 10-14 days. However...)
Wholly British owned companies seeing a quick buck exported manufacturing and services further afield than the EU. India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and China for example. That was nothing to do with the EU.
An example was Marks and Spencer who's USP was predominantly British manufactured product throughout the store. Now find any manufactured item in an M and S store that isn't imported. That had nothing to do with the EU it was a decision by M and S management.
See: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?locations=FR-GB
https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/03/the-ukraine-war-chomsky-responds/
Fifty or sixty years ago a young man in a white collar job might have had to pay a day’s wages for each white shirt and a week’s wages for a pair of black oxfords - he had no choice. Now he can buy a shirt for two hours’ wages and a pair of shoes for a day’s - or less.
If M&S wanted to remain mass-market, quality had to go down, because the public demanded prices go down.
Caves of Steel is a great book, but Asimov got his arithmetic wrong: "Efficiency had been forced on Earth with increasing population. Two billion, three billion, even five billion could be supported by the planet by progressive lowering of the standard of living. When the population reaches eight billion, however, semistarvation becomes too much like the real thing."
(The world's population is projected to reach eight billion in November.)
It is odd that a biochemist would miss the substantial achievements in agriculture that had already occurred, and that he would not realize that many more were possible. (I don't recall exactly how long this lasted, but for years after World War II, US farm productivity grew at a 4 percent rate. Growing up on a farm at the time, I didn't know those numbers but I could see that the US would need fewer farmers in the future.)
(I have wondered for years whether Asimov suffered from agoraphobia, but have never investigated the question.)
Time will tell.
Do we have any idea what a Starmerite believes in yet?
I can remember two policies - taxing private schools and subsidising energy companies, and then taxing them
And something about donkeys