That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Gravity is not banned in France, but curiously the energy price rises will be held at 4% this year. C'est interesting, n'est-ce-pas ?
EDF is demanding between 8 and upto 15 billion euros from Macron for the freeze
Which will be much better for the French economy than small businesses and pensioners paying it.
Err it comes from the taxes of businesses and pensioners
There is no free money
Well not NI from pensioners.
Still comes out of taxes
Which your generation do not pay.
Of course my I pay tax but my wife's sole income from her pension is just £4,850 pa and would not pay NI anyway if it was levied
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Gravity is not banned in France, but curiously the energy price rises will be held at 4% this year. C'est interesting, n'est-ce-pas ?
EDF is demanding between 8 and upto 15 billion euros from Macron for the freeze
Which will be much better for the French economy than small businesses and pensioners paying it.
Err it comes from the taxes of businesses and pensioners
There is no free money
Well not NI from pensioners.
Still comes out of taxes
Which your generation do not pay.
IN other words, mostly Tory voters, members, and people who are ex-members but desperate to rejoin.
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Gravity is not banned in France, but curiously the energy price rises will be held at 4% this year. C'est interesting, n'est-ce-pas ?
EDF is demanding between 8 and upto 15 billion euros from Macron for the freeze
Which will be much better for the French economy than small businesses and pensioners paying it.
Err it comes from the taxes of businesses and pensioners
There is no free money
But what there are are disproportionate multiplier effects, in particular areas of the economy and society. If the government doesn't foot the bill in the shorter-term, thousands of businesses will be gone, never to return, and milllions will be left destitute.
Many businesses are affected twice;
Firstly, by consumers fiscal tightening as a consequence of high domestic energy bills. Labours plan will definitely help in this regard.
Secondly, business energy costs. I don’t think anyone is talking about capping/subsidising business energy supplies. A lot of businesses are sunk with the current wholesale price as it is.
May be an idea to be short the UK economy until this blows over. I’m reconsidering my ftse 100 tracker, even though it’s nowhere near as domestic-facing as the 250.
I was looking at buying a uk residential REIT. There are one or two with very well insulated modern housing units that will surely be able to milk the rents as energy prices go nuts.
Having a second vote on brexit before ghe first had been implemented would have been an abomination. But we could have one now, as we have left. There's no problem with that and I'd vote to rejoin. On the energy I think keeping the price cap to the old level would make sense but with a kicker of much higher unit charges once someone gets past 3000 kwh of leccy or 12000 kwh of gas. Adjust the leccy up for someone on leccy only supply
Too late. I wouldn't vote to rejoin now. The damage is done, and we would rejoin on vastly inferior terms, if the EU even allowed us back.
Still it was all worth it we got a Boris Johnson premiership.
Whatever your view of his overall thesis, I really recommend reading Oliver Eagleton's superb account (p74-127) of how Labour moved from its pledge to respect Leave in its 2017 manifesto to the car crash 2nd referendum policy in 2019. Starmer behaved, in my view, disgracefully.
ANYONE who advocated for a 2nd referendum, without enacting the first, is no better than a Trumpite marching on the Capitol to overturn the election
They should all be hurled out of politics, and never allowed to speak again. Including Starmer
Besides the immorality of their position, what they espoused was criminally dangerous and stupid. It would have collapsed British democracy overnight. Whyever vote for anything ever again?
Why do Conservative Governments chase a new mandate every two or three years even when on the one occasion they had a decent little majority?
Jesus fucking Christ. How hard is this. Seriously
We had the biggest, probably most important referendum in British history. 36 MILLION people voted, I believe that is the most ever for anything in the UK - and that on an extremely respectable 72% turnout. Almost three quarters of every eligible adult in the entire country. Massive. 17.4 MILLION people voted Leave - the most ever votes cast for any cause or party in the history of the United Kingdom. And they voted because the government, prime minster and civil service of the UK told them: this is it. One vote. Leave or Remain. You choose. We will respect your choice
Just imagine the chaos, anger and blood-letting that would have resulted, if that vote had been overturned, without honouring it, and we were asked to vote again, to provide the answer our betters wanted. Advocating for a 2nd vote was utter criminal madness. It was a kind of constitutional nihilism
Anyone that seriously did it should slink away in shame
It's somewhat ironic that you claim a second vote was an act of "constitutional nihilism" because that's what the unwinding of Brexit (post Brexit) looks like to me.
As is par for the course you are talking utter bollocks. If the majority voted to remain after a second vote that is democracy in action, and a new mandate has been issued by the voters. Now whether that would have been wise or not is another debate entirely.
It looks like you are building up a head of steam to a crescendo of unpleasant right wing bigotry later this evening. Best I do slink away in that case.
The thing is that, if unwinding Brexit ever becomes popular enough, it will become the right thing to do, whenever that happens. We're not at that position right now, it's possible that we never will.
Had the British public responded to the June 2016 result the way a cat responds to a water pistol, it would have been right and proper to reverse Brexit before enacting it. Let's say that the polling through autumn 2016 to say 2018 had been consistently 70 Remain: 30 Leave. That didn't happpen, but it wasn't totally crazy as a possibility once blank slate Brexit was replaced by a concrete reality.
And it wouldn't have been a democratic problem, provided a vast majority of the electorate backed that. And whilst that would have annoyed some people a lot, the rest of the country would have been numerous enough to shrug and point to the numbers.
“The Labour leader, Keir Starmer, is to call for a ban on crippling energy price rises this autumn in a move that would save the average household more than £2,000 a year on gas and electricity bills, the Observer can reveal.
The demand to freeze the energy price cap at the current £1,971 level – blocking the regulator Ofgem from allowing a huge anticipated rise to around £3,600 in October – will place intense pressure on the Tory leadership candidates Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak to follow suit when one becomes prime minister.”
He took his time…
30 million or so households, times £2000 pa. £60 billion takes some finding. It would take a 10p rise in IT to cover it.
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Gravity is not banned in France, but curiously the energy price rises will be held at 4% this year. C'est interesting, n'est-ce-pas ?
EDF is demanding between 8 and upto 15 billion euros from Macron for the freeze
Which will be much better for the French economy than small businesses and pensioners paying it.
Err it comes from the taxes of businesses and pensioners
There is no free money
Well not NI from pensioners.
Still comes out of taxes
Which your generation do not pay.
IN other words, mostly Tory voters, members, and people who are ex-members but desperate to rejoin.
It is upto the political parties to levy NI on pensioners though I have not heard it proposed by any party
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Gravity is not banned in France, but curiously the energy price rises will be held at 4% this year. C'est interesting, n'est-ce-pas ?
EDF is demanding between 8 and upto 15 billion euros from Macron for the freeze
Which will be much better for the French economy than small businesses and pensioners paying it.
Err it comes from the taxes of businesses and pensioners
Having a second vote on brexit before ghe first had been implemented would have been an abomination. But we could have one now, as we have left. There's no problem with that and I'd vote to rejoin. On the energy I think keeping the price cap to the old level would make sense but with a kicker of much higher unit charges once someone gets past 3000 kwh of leccy or 12000 kwh of gas. Adjust the leccy up for someone on leccy only supply
Too late. I wouldn't vote to rejoin now. The damage is done, and we would rejoin on vastly inferior terms, if the EU even allowed us back.
Still it was all worth it we got a Boris Johnson premiership.
Historians of the future will wonder at how we were so brutally and repeatedly fucked by A Johnson.
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Gravity is not banned in France, but curiously the energy price rises will be held at 4% this year. C'est interesting, n'est-ce-pas ?
EDF is demanding between 8 and upto 15 billion euros from Macron for the freeze
Which will be much better for the French economy than small businesses and pensioners paying it.
Err it comes from the taxes of businesses and pensioners
There is no free money
Well not NI from pensioners.
Still comes out of taxes
Which your generation do not pay.
IN other words, mostly Tory voters, members, and people who are ex-members but desperate to rejoin.
It is upto the political parties to levy NI on pensioners though I have not heard it proposed by any party
How can they levy it on pensioners? It is a job-related tax and pensioners do not work.
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Gravity is not banned in France, but curiously the energy price rises will be held at 4% this year. C'est interesting, n'est-ce-pas ?
EDF is demanding between 8 and upto 15 billion euros from Macron for the freeze
Which will be much better for the French economy than small businesses and pensioners paying it.
Err it comes from the taxes of businesses and pensioners
There is no free money
Yes there is - you get a pension every week.
I have paid a lifetime of contributions into the pension as has every other pensioner
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Theyve been working this up with economists and everything. And then they just nick Daveys policy that they said was shit a week ago
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Gravity is not banned in France, but curiously the energy price rises will be held at 4% this year. C'est interesting, n'est-ce-pas ?
EDF is demanding between 8 and upto 15 billion euros from Macron for the freeze
Which will be much better for the French economy than small businesses and pensioners paying it.
Err it comes from the taxes of businesses and pensioners
There is no free money
Well not NI from pensioners.
Still comes out of taxes
Which your generation do not pay.
IN other words, mostly Tory voters, members, and people who are ex-members but desperate to rejoin.
It is upto the political parties to levy NI on pensioners though I have not heard it proposed by any party
How can they levy it on pensioners? It is a job-related tax and pensioners do not work.
Some pensioners do work and I believe they should pay NI
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Gravity is not banned in France, but curiously the energy price rises will be held at 4% this year. C'est interesting, n'est-ce-pas ?
EDF is demanding between 8 and upto 15 billion euros from Macron for the freeze
Which will be much better for the French economy than small businesses and pensioners paying it.
Err it comes from the taxes of businesses and pensioners
There is no free money
Well not NI from pensioners.
Still comes out of taxes
Which your generation do not pay.
IN other words, mostly Tory voters, members, and people who are ex-members but desperate to rejoin.
It is upto the political parties to levy NI on pensioners though I have not heard it proposed by any party
Even if they could do such a thing why would they politically when the grey vote is so powerful?
Party leaders know what they need to do to win elections, even Corbyn made a play for that vote.
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Gravity is not banned in France, but curiously the energy price rises will be held at 4% this year. C'est interesting, n'est-ce-pas ?
EDF is demanding between 8 and upto 15 billion euros from Macron for the freeze
Which will be much better for the French economy than small businesses and pensioners paying it.
Err it comes from the taxes of businesses and pensioners
There is no free money
Yes there is - you get a pension every week.
I have paid a lifetime of contributions into the pension as has every other pensioner
Matthew Parris highlighted the flaw with that argument in his Times piece this morning;
Ever since I started dealing with the leader of the opposition’s postbag in 1976, I’ve been familiar with the cry, “I haven’t worked and paid taxes all my life, only to have [insert chosen desideratum] taken away.” I longed to reply, “You may well have paid taxes all your life, but not enough, as it now turns out.”
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Gravity is not banned in France, but curiously the energy price rises will be held at 4% this year. C'est interesting, n'est-ce-pas ?
EDF is demanding between 8 and upto 15 billion euros from Macron for the freeze
Which will be much better for the French economy than small businesses and pensioners paying it.
Err it comes from the taxes of businesses and pensioners
There is no free money
Well not NI from pensioners.
Still comes out of taxes
Which your generation do not pay.
IN other words, mostly Tory voters, members, and people who are ex-members but desperate to rejoin.
It is upto the political parties to levy NI on pensioners though I have not heard it proposed by any party
How can they levy it on pensioners? It is a job-related tax and pensioners do not work.
Some pensioners do work and I believe they should pay NI
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Gravity is not banned in France, but curiously the energy price rises will be held at 4% this year. C'est interesting, n'est-ce-pas ?
EDF is demanding between 8 and upto 15 billion euros from Macron for the freeze
Which will be much better for the French economy than small businesses and pensioners paying it.
Err it comes from the taxes of businesses and pensioners
There is no free money
Yes there is - you get a pension every week.
I have paid a lifetime of contributions into the pension as has every other pensioner
Matthew Parris highlighted the flaw with that argument in his Times piece this morning;
Ever since I started dealing with the leader of the opposition’s postbag in 1976, I’ve been familiar with the cry, “I haven’t worked and paid taxes all my life, only to have [insert chosen desideratum] taken away.” I longed to reply, “You may well have paid taxes all your life, but not enough, as it now turns out.”
Yep. Also, it becomes suddenly unfair, nay, unconscionable, to seek to impose new ones or extend the pension age or whatever, but it is never wrong to impose it on others.
I missed this in July. Starmer rules out any arrangement with anyone. Be a short stint as minority PM then
It's very simple - a lot will depend on the numbers of course. Labour will put forward legislation and presumably the other parties will consider each piece on its merits and vote accordingly. The numbers will dictate how viable this is and how soon we will b facing another election.
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Gravity is not banned in France, but curiously the energy price rises will be held at 4% this year. C'est interesting, n'est-ce-pas ?
EDF is demanding between 8 and upto 15 billion euros from Macron for the freeze
Which will be much better for the French economy than small businesses and pensioners paying it.
Err it comes from the taxes of businesses and pensioners
There is no free money
Yes there is - you get a pension every week.
I have paid a lifetime of contributions into the pension as has every other pensioner
Today's NI payments are in next week's pension payouts. It is a pipeline, not a saving scheme - at least for state pensions
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Theyve been working this up with economists and everything. And then they just nick Daveys policy that they said was shit a week ago
I thought all those windmills that litter the UK's coast were supposed to provide cheaper energy? It does not seem to be working out that way.
Tidal. We are an island. Tidal ffs, invest to the max in tidal power
I completely agree with you, but for some reason no govt will touch tidal.
Truss said she would invest in tidal at the last hustings
She was also claiming to be relying on certain nuclear reactors that are (a) not approved yet for design purposes; not prorotyped to see if they work; (c) not in series production; (d) do not have sites approved yet.
Tidal power would be am improvement; just such a shame the governments in which she took such a prominent and carefully photographed part did so little.
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Theyve been working this up with economists and everything. And then they just nick Daveys policy that they said was shit a week ago
Sounds like another Ed Miliband special to me.
Theyll all be tweeting 'fully costed' on Monday.
Why wait? If they close all the schools and get rid of all our armed forces it is covered.
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Gravity is not banned in France, but curiously the energy price rises will be held at 4% this year. C'est interesting, n'est-ce-pas ?
EDF is demanding between 8 and upto 15 billion euros from Macron for the freeze
Which will be much better for the French economy than small businesses and pensioners paying it.
Err it comes from the taxes of businesses and pensioners
There is no free money
Yes there is - you get a pension every week.
I have paid a lifetime of contributions into the pension as has every other pensioner
Today's NI payments are in next week's pension payouts. It is a pipeline, not a saving scheme - at least for state pensions
I am aware of that but that is the system and I paid all the NI demanded of me through my 47 years in work
I missed this in July. Starmer rules out any arrangement with anyone. Be a short stint as minority PM then
It's very simple - a lot will depend on the numbers of course. Labour will put forward legislation and presumably the other parties will consider each piece on its merits and vote accordingly. The numbers will dictate how viable this is and how soon we will b facing another election.
It also means an election can be forced by Tories plus (say) LDs once it looks seat gain-ish for the LDs to vote no confidence. In the absence of any formal arrangement hes at the mercy of a polling collapse leading to the opposition cashing in en masse. But of course it will depend on how far labour sit in isolation from 322 seats (assuming SF get 7)
I would not trust JRM to know what day of the week it is.
He'll have a man to tell him that.
One of my favourite bits of JRM posturing was upon getting his barely scraping into the Cabinet position and spending his time leaving notes on others' desks, he had a shot of himself at his desk promoted which was enthusiastically talked up by his mates as what an office should look like, lacking a computer at his desk for example.
Meaning he thinks it is more efficient, and is proud, that he is creating more work for someone else to print things out for him and bring it to his desk rather than just have someone send it to him. That his petty whims are more important.
I thought all those windmills that litter the UK's coast were supposed to provide cheaper energy? It does not seem to be working out that way.
Tidal. We are an island. Tidal ffs, invest to the max in tidal power
I completely agree with you, but for some reason no govt will touch tidal.
Its bizarre how underutilised it has been. More Home grown power we could be leveraging to protect against world price surges. Prorectionism. Its suddenly sexy again.
I thought all those windmills that litter the UK's coast were supposed to provide cheaper energy? It does not seem to be working out that way.
No, they were intended to provide profit for shareholders. All built by private commercial firms, so far as I understand it.
The UK's function in modern times seems to be to pipeline as much money and savings as possible to foreign owners and govts.
We are little better than serfs. Everything we earn goes aboard.
This is the price we pay for running a trade deficit for nearly 30 years now. Brown said it didn't matter but he was, of course, completely wrong. We have become a rentier economy with the majority of our assets and wealth creation in foreign hands. Excess consumption has put us in a truly perilous position so of course our politicians are having an auction about who can subsidise the cost of imported fuel the most. It would honestly make you weep.
I thought all those windmills that litter the UK's coast were supposed to provide cheaper energy? It does not seem to be working out that way.
No, they were intended to provide profit for shareholders. All built by private commercial firms, so far as I understand it.
The UK's function in modern times seems to be to pipeline as much money and savings as possible to foreign owners and govts.
We are little better than serfs. Everything we earn goes aboard.
This is the price we pay for running a trade deficit for nearly 30 years now. Brown said it didn't matter but he was, of course, completely wrong. We have become a rentier economy with the majority of our assets and wealth creation in foreign hands. Excess consumption has put us in a truly perilous position so of course our politicians are having an auction about who can subsidise the cost of imported fuel the most. It would honestly make you weep.
I missed this in July. Starmer rules out any arrangement with anyone. Be a short stint as minority PM then
It's very simple - a lot will depend on the numbers of course. Labour will put forward legislation and presumably the other parties will consider each piece on its merits and vote accordingly. The numbers will dictate how viable this is and how soon we will b facing another election.
It also means an election can be forced by Tories plus (say) LDs once it looks seat gain-ish for the LDs to vote no confidence. In the absence of any formal arrangement hes at the mercy of a polling collapse leading to the opposition cashing in en masse. But of course it will depend on how far labour sit in isolation from 322 seats (assuming SF get 7)
I'm less convinced - I don't think there'll be much sentiment for having the Tories back after so long in power. I suspect Starmer can and will rely on the greater antipathy of the minor parties toward the Conservatives so that even if the Conservatives try to take advantage of poor Labour polling they may find their way blocked by other parties.
Wouldn't have been a race without it, but it scuppered him. Predictable, but unfortunate for him. Even many of those who wanted Boris gone probably don't trust a quitter.
It was ok when Boris quit and constantly undermined his PM though.
I thought all those windmills that litter the UK's coast were supposed to provide cheaper energy? It does not seem to be working out that way.
Tidal. We are an island. Tidal ffs, invest to the max in tidal power
I completely agree with you, but for some reason no govt will touch tidal.
Its bizarre how underutilised it has been. More Home grown power we could be leveraging to protect against world price surges. Prorectionism. Its suddenly sexy again.
Same with food. Though I fear it is too late in view of the latest news. Periodically, and only months ago, on here, I was being relentlessly lectured how silly I was for being worried about UK food security, when it was much better and much more consonant with free market liberalism to import all our food from Australia etc and fuck the farmers.
There are some very bad taste Man Utd jokes currently working their way around the internet.
Let’s hope the Glazers know about the football pyramid, and don’t think they bought a “Premier League franchise”.
What's the difference between a triangle and Man Utd?
I wouldn't overeact. Man U had 15 shots and De Gea gifted the 1st 2 goals. And it's VERY early days in the season.
I might have a nibble for Top 4 if the price has gone stupid.
So you think Man U might finish above one of last years top 5? Which one? Because I can’t see it.
I think ManU has major dressing room and back room problems as a series of managers have failed, and often ones with good track records elsewhere. SAF is always the spectre in the background.
Other managers have started badly before their system worked. Arteta is a good example.
I reckon ManU will make the top 7, though possibly with another manager at the helm.
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Theyve been working this up with economists and everything. And then they just nick Daveys policy that they said was shit a week ago
Sounds like another Ed Miliband special to me.
Theyll all be tweeting 'fully costed' on Monday.
Why wait? If they close all the schools and get rid of all our armed forces it is covered.
Paying the suppliers not to raise prices is far better than just nationalising them as the problem remains exactly as it was but the state is in charge if you just natioanlise.
Having a second vote on brexit before ghe first had been implemented would have been an abomination. But we could have one now, as we have left. There's no problem with that and I'd vote to rejoin. On the energy I think keeping the price cap to the old level would make sense but with a kicker of much higher unit charges once someone gets past 3000 kwh of leccy or 12000 kwh of gas. Adjust the leccy up for someone on leccy only supply
Too late. I wouldn't vote to rejoin now. The damage is done, and we would rejoin on vastly inferior terms, if the EU even allowed us back.
Still it was all worth it we got a Boris Johnson premiership.
Schengen and the Single Currency aren't inferior terms - they're the best things about the EU!
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Theyve been working this up with economists and everything. And then they just nick Daveys policy that they said was shit a week ago
Sounds like another Ed Miliband special to me.
Theyll all be tweeting 'fully costed' on Monday.
Why wait? If they close all the schools and get rid of all our armed forces it is covered.
What’s the profile of tidal power generation over, say, 24hrs? Would it not need to be paired with batteries (pumped hydro?) to provide effective baseload?
So the membership are basically voting to continue Johnson and as he is not available the next 'best' thing.
God it is the GOP all over again.
Or Labour in 2016. Though at least they didn't go for Long-Bailey in 2020.
Following on from that,
1. Will Truss dare to kick Boris out in the snow to die this autumn?
2. Will the general public give Truss much of a new leader bounce if she comes to be seen as Boris in a frock? (As opposed to actual Boris, who likes getting his hands and other organs inside other people's frocks.)
I was being told at our celebratory lunch today by my son's chinese girlfriend that in Mandarin 4 is a very unlucky number because it sounds like the word for death. Maybe they have a point.
- “What is devomax? What currently reserved powers would be devolved?”
Your lack of answer did not go unnoticed.
It is not for me to answer, it is a PM Starmer and Gordon Brown who would implement it
Gordon Brown?!? When did he become leader of the Labour Party again?
Starmer has made clear as PM he would put Gordon Brown in charge of a programme of further devolution
One for the PB Tories and Stuart.
" Dumb and Dumber"
Just going through the list of stuff that could get devolved while retaining a sensible Union (aka devomax), I reckon:
Universal Credit (etc) Illegal drugs Betting (eeek) Experimenting on animals Possibly some more energy stuff? tricky Equalities Post All income taxes (though income tax is largely devolved now)
That's it really. Anything further would be unworkable, imo.
I assume if income tax is devolved and they keep all they raise then there will be no capital transfer from the rest of the country and they will be getting a bill for their share of defence and debt servicing etc
You're forgetting NI, VAT, road tax, petrol tax ...
Indeed - that's why I specified income taxes (I include NI in that, given there is no actual link to the state pension). I think opening it up to other taxes would be unworkable.
@Pagan2, I won't bore you with the complex interactions of income tax revenue in Scotland and the block grant from the UK Gov, but that's basically what happens already. Though, of course, Scotland enjoys higher spend per capita compared with elsewhere.
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Theyve been working this up with economists and everything. And then they just nick Daveys policy that they said was shit a week ago
Sounds like another Ed Miliband special to me.
Theyll all be tweeting 'fully costed' on Monday.
Why wait? If they close all the schools and get rid of all our armed forces it is covered.
Paying the suppliers not to raise prices is far better than just nationalising them as the problem remains exactly as it was but the state is in charge if you just natioanlise.
We need to adapt to a world where energy is much more expensive. The sooner we start doing this the better. If it reduces demand for all the crap we import and improves our carbon neutrality so much the better.
Interesting piece of research on a mechanism of cognitive exhaustion.
https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(22)01111-3.pdf Behavioral activities that require control over automatic routines typically feel effortful and result in cogni- tive fatigue. Beyond subjective report, cognitive fatigue has been conceived as an inflated cost of cogni- tive control, objectified by more impulsive decisions. However, the origins of such control cost inflation with cognitive work are heavily debated. Here, we suggest a neuro-metabolic account: the cost would relate to the necessity of recycling potentially toxic substances accumulated during cognitive control exertion. We validated this account using magnetic resonance spectroscopy (MRS) to monitor brain me- tabolites throughout an approximate workday, during which two groups of participants performed either high-demand or low-demand cognitive control tasks, interleaved with economic decisions. Choice- related fatigue markers were only present in the high-demand group, with a reduction of pupil dilation during decision-making and a preference shift toward short-delay and little-effort options (a low-cost bias captured using computational modeling). At the end of the day, high-demand cognitive work re- sulted in higher glutamate concentration and glutamate/glutamine diffusion in a cognitive control brain region (lateral prefrontal cortex [lPFC]), relative to low-demand cognitive work and to a reference brain region (primary visual cortex [V1]). Taken together with previous fMRI data, these results support a neuro-metabolic model in which glutamate accumulation triggers a regulation mechanism that makes lPFC activation more costly, explaining why cognitive control is harder to mobilize after a strenuous workday…
What’s the profile of tidal power generation over, say, 24hrs? Would it not need to be paired with batteries (pumped hydro?) to provide effective baseload?
The tidal stream goes around the coasts of the UK such that high and low water, so to speak, move around the coast. Ergo they happen at different times in different places. You just build several installations in different places.
Also - some tidal systems let the water in when the tide is flowing, then impound it and use the power when it is ebbing. Vide the mediaeval/early modern watermill at Freshwater on the Isle of Wight.
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Theyve been working this up with economists and everything. And then they just nick Daveys policy that they said was shit a week ago
Sounds like another Ed Miliband special to me.
Theyll all be tweeting 'fully costed' on Monday.
Why wait? If they close all the schools and get rid of all our armed forces it is covered.
Paying the suppliers not to raise prices is far better than just nationalising them as the problem remains exactly as it was but the state is in charge if you just natioanlise.
We need to adapt to a world where energy is much more expensive. The sooner we start doing this the better. If it reduces demand for all the crap we import and improves our carbon neutrality so much the better.
So you’re saying Ed Miliband was right, with his “insulate the crap out of everything” policy?
I thought all those windmills that litter the UK's coast were supposed to provide cheaper energy? It does not seem to be working out that way.
Tidal. We are an island. Tidal ffs, invest to the max in tidal power
I completely agree with you, but for some reason no govt will touch tidal.
Its bizarre how underutilised it has been. More Home grown power we could be leveraging to protect against world price surges. Prorectionism. Its suddenly sexy again.
Same with food. Though I fear it is too late in view of the latest news. Periodically, and only months ago, on here, I was being relentlessly lectured how silly I was for being worried about UK food security, when it was much better and much more consonant with free market liberalism to import all our food from Australia etc and fuck the farmers.
Surely you should be worried about "Scottish food security". Cut off from rUK you will be eating oats, tatties, soil, thistles and "neeps and pebbles", a warming and traditional dish that has filled the stomach of weirdly stunted Unst kids for centuries
What’s the profile of tidal power generation over, say, 24hrs? Would it not need to be paired with batteries (pumped hydro?) to provide effective baseload?
The tidal stream goes around the coasts of the UK such that high and low water, so to speak, move around the coast. Ergo they happen at different times in different places. You just build several installations in different places.
Also - some tidal systems let the water in when the tide is flowing, then impound it and use the power when it is ebbing. Vide the mediaeval/early modern watermill at Freshwater on the Isle of Wight.
The Pentland Firth would be a fantastic site for tidal if the technology was available
I thought all those windmills that litter the UK's coast were supposed to provide cheaper energy? It does not seem to be working out that way.
Tidal. We are an island. Tidal ffs, invest to the max in tidal power
I think a wind, solar and battery solution could work for us but....
Was it Swansea or Cardiff where tidal got blocked by the treasury bean counters ?
No vision, even old Uncle Joe has more ffsake
Those treasury bean counters when the Swansea bay scheme got cancelled in 2018 included the Chief Secretary of the Treasury, a certain Liz Truss. Whatever happened to her?
What’s the profile of tidal power generation over, say, 24hrs? Would it not need to be paired with batteries (pumped hydro?) to provide effective baseload?
Tide varies around the U.K. Plus you can use barrages to then outflow later than the high tide. It’s very doable.
So the membership are basically voting to continue Johnson and as he is not available the next 'best' thing.
God it is the GOP all over again.
Or Labour in 2016. Though at least they didn't go for Long-Bailey in 2020.
Following on from that,
1. Will Truss dare to kick Boris out in the snow to die this autumn?
2. Will the general public give Truss much of a new leader bounce if she comes to be seen as Boris in a frock? (As opposed to actual Boris, who likes getting his hands and other organs inside other people's frocks.)
Truss has been clear, I believe, that Boris going is an error (and implicitly that her own solutions to problems different from his are not as good as his solutions) - she has certainly described it as a mistake to reject him in the way that led to his losing the leadership.
That assessment included encompassing the 'mistakes' that he himself made (saying they were not sufficient to reject him). Accordingly, if there are committee findings against him expect her to call it a witchhunt, moan about the process, about how we should move on as he is not PM anymore, or just outright seek to ignore it.
I thought all those windmills that litter the UK's coast were supposed to provide cheaper energy? It does not seem to be working out that way.
Tidal. We are an island. Tidal ffs, invest to the max in tidal power
I think a wind, solar and battery solution could work for us but....
Was it Swansea or Cardiff where tidal got blocked by the treasury bean counters ?
No vision, even old Uncle Joe has more ffsake
Those treasury bean counters when the Swansea bay scheme got cancelled in 2018 included the Chief Secretary of the Treasury, a certain Liz Truss. Whatever happened to her?
The energy situation has changed dramatically since 2018
I thought all those windmills that litter the UK's coast were supposed to provide cheaper energy? It does not seem to be working out that way.
Tidal. We are an island. Tidal ffs, invest to the max in tidal power
I completely agree with you, but for some reason no govt will touch tidal.
Its bizarre how underutilised it has been. More Home grown power we could be leveraging to protect against world price surges. Prorectionism. Its suddenly sexy again.
Same with food. Though I fear it is too late in view of the latest news. Periodically, and only months ago, on here, I was being relentlessly lectured how silly I was for being worried about UK food security, when it was much better and much more consonant with free market liberalism to import all our food from Australia etc and fuck the farmers.
Surely you should be worried about "Scottish food security". Cut off from rUK you will be eating oats, tatties, soil, thistles and "neeps and pebbles", a warming and traditional dish that has filled the stomach of weirdly stunted Unst kids for centuries
There's not a lot wrong with a diet based on porridge, potatoes, swedes, herring and mutton, bread, and garden vegetables.
The point does need t be made that Scotland is overall selfsufficient in food, unlike rUK.
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Sweden votes in four weeks and it seems Sifo will be polling regularly for Svenska Dagbladet.
The latest numbers (changes from 2018):
Social Democrats: 31.3% (+2.8) Moderates: 19.2% (-0.6) Sweden Democrats: 17.3% (-0.2) Left: 8.0% (nc) Christian Democrats: 6.7% (+0.4) Liberals: 5.6% (+0.1) Centre: 5.3% (-3.3) Greens: 4.5% (+0.1)
We have our two blocs (as we always do) - the centre-left consisting of Social Democrats, Left, Green and Centre are on 49.1% (-0.2) and the centre-right bloc of Moderates, Sweden Democrats, Christian Democrats and Liberals are on 48.8% (-0.5) so a dead heat to all intents and purposes.
Th 2018 result split the 349 seat Riksdag 175-174 in favour of the centre-left bloc so this is going to be very close again. Perhaps the centre-left might extend their lead by a couple of seats on these numbers but there's a long way to go.
So does Italy and there Brothers of Italy still leads most of the latest polls
There's not a lot wrong with a diet based on porridge, potatoes, swedes, herring and mutton, bread, and garden vegetables.
The point does need t be made that Scotland is overall selfsufficient in food, unlike rUK.
Farmers may have to stop growing potatoes because of rising temperatures in Scotland, projections suggest.
The James Hutton Institute, the respected scientific research centre in Dundee, has calculated that extreme weather will impose radical changes to farming
I was being told at our celebratory lunch today by my son's chinese girlfriend that in Mandarin 4 is a very unlucky number because it sounds like the word for death. Maybe they have a point.
- “What is devomax? What currently reserved powers would be devolved?”
Your lack of answer did not go unnoticed.
It is not for me to answer, it is a PM Starmer and Gordon Brown who would implement it
Gordon Brown?!? When did he become leader of the Labour Party again?
Starmer has made clear as PM he would put Gordon Brown in charge of a programme of further devolution
One for the PB Tories and Stuart.
" Dumb and Dumber"
Just going through the list of stuff that could get devolved while retaining a sensible Union (aka devomax), I reckon:
Universal Credit (etc) Illegal drugs Betting (eeek) Experimenting on animals Possibly some more energy stuff? tricky Equalities Post All income taxes (though income tax is largely devolved now)
That's it really. Anything further would be unworkable, imo.
I assume if income tax is devolved and they keep all they raise then there will be no capital transfer from the rest of the country and they will be getting a bill for their share of defence and debt servicing etc
You're forgetting NI, VAT, road tax, petrol tax ...
Indeed - that's why I specified income taxes (I include NI in that, given there is no actual link to the state pension). I think opening it up to other taxes would be unworkable.
@Pagan2, I won't bore you with the complex interactions of income tax revenue in Scotland and the block grant from the UK Gov, but that's basically what happens already. Though, of course, Scotland enjoys higher spend per capita compared with elsewhere.
But there is a link between NI and pensions, in that you need to pay NI to qualify for the state pension.
I missed this in July. Starmer rules out any arrangement with anyone. Be a short stint as minority PM then
It's very simple - a lot will depend on the numbers of course. Labour will put forward legislation and presumably the other parties will consider each piece on its merits and vote accordingly. The numbers will dictate how viable this is and how soon we will b facing another election.
It also means an election can be forced by Tories plus (say) LDs once it looks seat gain-ish for the LDs to vote no confidence. In the absence of any formal arrangement hes at the mercy of a polling collapse leading to the opposition cashing in en masse. But of course it will depend on how far labour sit in isolation from 322 seats (assuming SF get 7)
I'm less convinced - I don't think there'll be much sentiment for having the Tories back after so long in power. I suspect Starmer can and will rely on the greater antipathy of the minor parties toward the Conservatives so that even if the Conservatives try to take advantage of poor Labour polling they may find their way blocked by other parties.
Yeah i see that logic, but lets say Starmer is PM of a minoroty government with 280 seats, the SNP have 45, Tories 270 Lib Dems 25 with NI, Greens, a couple of indies and Plaid scarfing the rest. Things are pretty bleak economically 18 months in and con lead but not on a high score Lab are tanking with LDs polling 20 plus again. SNP abstain on a Vonc, surely the LDs are going to cash in and try for a big seat boost?
i think I am right in saying that the predicted energy bills are based on historical consumption multiplied by predicted £ per kWh for electricity and gas. The result being that predicted energy bills that will be so high that people will have to choose between "heat or eat", i.e your only option will be to starve or to freeze to death. However, before the general introduction of 21 deg C central heating no one froze to death because during what were much colder winters they did not heat the whole house and they wore vests and jumpers and thicker clothing. Perhaps if we did that again we might find that our energy bills were much reduced and we could afford to eat!
I thought all those windmills that litter the UK's coast were supposed to provide cheaper energy? It does not seem to be working out that way.
Tidal. We are an island. Tidal ffs, invest to the max in tidal power
I completely agree with you, but for some reason no govt will touch tidal.
Its bizarre how underutilised it has been. More Home grown power we could be leveraging to protect against world price surges. Prorectionism. Its suddenly sexy again.
Same with food. Though I fear it is too late in view of the latest news. Periodically, and only months ago, on here, I was being relentlessly lectured how silly I was for being worried about UK food security, when it was much better and much more consonant with free market liberalism to import all our food from Australia etc and fuck the farmers.
Surely you should be worried about "Scottish food security". Cut off from rUK you will be eating oats, tatties, soil, thistles and "neeps and pebbles", a warming and traditional dish that has filled the stomach of weirdly stunted Unst kids for centuries
There's not a lot wrong with a diet based on porridge, potatoes, swedes, herring and mutton, bread, and garden vegetables.
The point does need t be made that Scotland is overall selfsufficient in food, unlike rUK.
There's not a lot wrong with a diet based on porridge, potatoes, swedes, herring and mutton, bread, and garden vegetables.
The point does need t be made that Scotland is overall selfsufficient in food, unlike rUK.
Farmers may have to stop growing potatoes because of rising temperatures in Scotland, projections suggest.
The James Hutton Institute, the respected scientific research centre in Dundee, has calculated that extreme weather will impose radical changes to farming
I thought all those windmills that litter the UK's coast were supposed to provide cheaper energy? It does not seem to be working out that way.
Tidal. We are an island. Tidal ffs, invest to the max in tidal power
I think a wind, solar and battery solution could work for us but....
Was it Swansea or Cardiff where tidal got blocked by the treasury bean counters ?
No vision, even old Uncle Joe has more ffsake
Those treasury bean counters when the Swansea bay scheme got cancelled in 2018 included the Chief Secretary of the Treasury, a certain Liz Truss. Whatever happened to her?
The energy situation has changed dramatically since 2018
Not that much, at least in terms of energy resilience, carbon neutrality and autonomy.
It certainly was the sort of short termist saving that lacks strategic vision that we have so gotten used to in this country.
That will help the owner of a 6 bedroom mansion a lot more than the owner of a 1 bedroom flat. Is that what he wants?
I assume the plan also includes nationalising all the providers and rationing supply.
Presumably his next policy will be to decree that gravity in the UK will be reduced to 8.8m/s2 so that those who are overweight feel better about themselves?
Theyve been working this up with economists and everything. And then they just nick Daveys policy that they said was shit a week ago
Sounds like another Ed Miliband special to me.
Theyll all be tweeting 'fully costed' on Monday.
Why wait? If they close all the schools and get rid of all our armed forces it is covered.
Paying the suppliers not to raise prices is far better than just nationalising them as the problem remains exactly as it was but the state is in charge if you just natioanlise.
We need to adapt to a world where energy is much more expensive. The sooner we start doing this the better. If it reduces demand for all the crap we import and improves our carbon neutrality so much the better.
So you’re saying Ed Miliband was right, with his “insulate the crap out of everything” policy?
Yes, he is right about that. Stopped clocks etc but he is right.
Having a second vote on brexit before ghe first had been implemented would have been an abomination. But we could have one now, as we have left. There's no problem with that and I'd vote to rejoin. On the energy I think keeping the price cap to the old level would make sense but with a kicker of much higher unit charges once someone gets past 3000 kwh of leccy or 12000 kwh of gas. Adjust the leccy up for someone on leccy only supply
Too late. I wouldn't vote to rejoin now. The damage is done, and we would rejoin on vastly inferior terms, if the EU even allowed us back.
Still it was all worth it we got a Boris Johnson premiership.
Schengen and the Single Currency aren't inferior terms - they're the best things about the EU!
We can negotiate FOM and SM without rejoining. Whether in twenty or thirty years the UK decides it would like to take closer ties any further that is not something that will concern me.
I was being told at our celebratory lunch today by my son's chinese girlfriend that in Mandarin 4 is a very unlucky number because it sounds like the word for death. Maybe they have a point.
- “What is devomax? What currently reserved powers would be devolved?”
Your lack of answer did not go unnoticed.
It is not for me to answer, it is a PM Starmer and Gordon Brown who would implement it
Gordon Brown?!? When did he become leader of the Labour Party again?
Starmer has made clear as PM he would put Gordon Brown in charge of a programme of further devolution
One for the PB Tories and Stuart.
" Dumb and Dumber"
Just going through the list of stuff that could get devolved while retaining a sensible Union (aka devomax), I reckon:
Universal Credit (etc) Illegal drugs Betting (eeek) Experimenting on animals Possibly some more energy stuff? tricky Equalities Post All income taxes (though income tax is largely devolved now)
That's it really. Anything further would be unworkable, imo.
I assume if income tax is devolved and they keep all they raise then there will be no capital transfer from the rest of the country and they will be getting a bill for their share of defence and debt servicing etc
You're forgetting NI, VAT, road tax, petrol tax ...
Indeed - that's why I specified income taxes (I include NI in that, given there is no actual link to the state pension). I think opening it up to other taxes would be unworkable.
@Pagan2, I won't bore you with the complex interactions of income tax revenue in Scotland and the block grant from the UK Gov, but that's basically what happens already. Though, of course, Scotland enjoys higher spend per capita compared with elsewhere.
But there is a link between NI and pensions, in that you need to pay NI to qualify for the state pension.
Sure, but there is no "pot". That can be swept aside by some legislation.
(Ducks for cover from irate pensioners and Nats...)
I thought all those windmills that litter the UK's coast were supposed to provide cheaper energy? It does not seem to be working out that way.
Tidal. We are an island. Tidal ffs, invest to the max in tidal power
I completely agree with you, but for some reason no govt will touch tidal.
Its bizarre how underutilised it has been. More Home grown power we could be leveraging to protect against world price surges. Prorectionism. Its suddenly sexy again.
Same with food. Though I fear it is too late in view of the latest news. Periodically, and only months ago, on here, I was being relentlessly lectured how silly I was for being worried about UK food security, when it was much better and much more consonant with free market liberalism to import all our food from Australia etc and fuck the farmers.
Surely you should be worried about "Scottish food security". Cut off from rUK you will be eating oats, tatties, soil, thistles and "neeps and pebbles", a warming and traditional dish that has filled the stomach of weirdly stunted Unst kids for centuries
There's not a lot wrong with a diet based on porridge, potatoes, swedes, herring and mutton, bread, and garden vegetables.
The point does need t be made that Scotland is overall selfsufficient in food, unlike rUK.
I thought all those windmills that litter the UK's coast were supposed to provide cheaper energy? It does not seem to be working out that way.
Tidal. We are an island. Tidal ffs, invest to the max in tidal power
I completely agree with you, but for some reason no govt will touch tidal.
Its bizarre how underutilised it has been. More Home grown power we could be leveraging to protect against world price surges. Prorectionism. Its suddenly sexy again.
Same with food. Though I fear it is too late in view of the latest news. Periodically, and only months ago, on here, I was being relentlessly lectured how silly I was for being worried about UK food security, when it was much better and much more consonant with free market liberalism to import all our food from Australia etc and fuck the farmers.
I agree. I'm genuinely surprised the benefits of brexit brigade havent jumped all over protectionism
I missed this in July. Starmer rules out any arrangement with anyone. Be a short stint as minority PM then
It's very simple - a lot will depend on the numbers of course. Labour will put forward legislation and presumably the other parties will consider each piece on its merits and vote accordingly. The numbers will dictate how viable this is and how soon we will b facing another election.
It also means an election can be forced by Tories plus (say) LDs once it looks seat gain-ish for the LDs to vote no confidence. In the absence of any formal arrangement hes at the mercy of a polling collapse leading to the opposition cashing in en masse. But of course it will depend on how far labour sit in isolation from 322 seats (assuming SF get 7)
I'm less convinced - I don't think there'll be much sentiment for having the Tories back after so long in power. I suspect Starmer can and will rely on the greater antipathy of the minor parties toward the Conservatives so that even if the Conservatives try to take advantage of poor Labour polling they may find their way blocked by other parties.
Yeah i see that logic, but lets say Starmer is PM of a minoroty government with 280 seats, the SNP have 45, Tories 270 Lib Dems 25 with NI, Greens, a couple of indies and Plaid scarfing the rest. Things are pretty bleak economically 18 months in and con lead but not on a high score Lab are tanking with LDs polling 20 plus again. SNP abstain on a Vonc, surely the LDs are going to cash in and try for a big seat boost?
The LDs would then have more seats but zero influence with a Tory majority government. Better for them to keep getting concessions from Labour so that some of their ideas make it into legislation.
I thought all those windmills that litter the UK's coast were supposed to provide cheaper energy? It does not seem to be working out that way.
Tidal. We are an island. Tidal ffs, invest to the max in tidal power
I completely agree with you, but for some reason no govt will touch tidal.
Its bizarre how underutilised it has been. More Home grown power we could be leveraging to protect against world price surges. Prorectionism. Its suddenly sexy again.
Same with food. Though I fear it is too late in view of the latest news. Periodically, and only months ago, on here, I was being relentlessly lectured how silly I was for being worried about UK food security, when it was much better and much more consonant with free market liberalism to import all our food from Australia etc and fuck the farmers.
Surely you should be worried about "Scottish food security". Cut off from rUK you will be eating oats, tatties, soil, thistles and "neeps and pebbles", a warming and traditional dish that has filled the stomach of weirdly stunted Unst kids for centuries
There's not a lot wrong with a diet based on porridge, potatoes, swedes, herring and mutton, bread, and garden vegetables.
The point does need t be made that Scotland is overall selfsufficient in food, unlike rUK.
Huh, is that true? I would have thought our lack of arable land would make it a struggle. Though I suppose a small population + massive land and coastline = excess calories, even if it's hard work to produce them.
There's not a lot wrong with a diet based on porridge, potatoes, swedes, herring and mutton, bread, and garden vegetables.
The point does need t be made that Scotland is overall selfsufficient in food, unlike rUK.
Farmers may have to stop growing potatoes because of rising temperatures in Scotland, projections suggest.
The James Hutton Institute, the respected scientific research centre in Dundee, has calculated that extreme weather will impose radical changes to farming
How does that work then? They grow in the Channel Islands now, hence Jersey Royals. Pretty sure that’s warmer than Scotland on average. I call bullshit.
I missed this in July. Starmer rules out any arrangement with anyone. Be a short stint as minority PM then
It's very simple - a lot will depend on the numbers of course. Labour will put forward legislation and presumably the other parties will consider each piece on its merits and vote accordingly. The numbers will dictate how viable this is and how soon we will b facing another election.
It also means an election can be forced by Tories plus (say) LDs once it looks seat gain-ish for the LDs to vote no confidence. In the absence of any formal arrangement hes at the mercy of a polling collapse leading to the opposition cashing in en masse. But of course it will depend on how far labour sit in isolation from 322 seats (assuming SF get 7)
I'm less convinced - I don't think there'll be much sentiment for having the Tories back after so long in power. I suspect Starmer can and will rely on the greater antipathy of the minor parties toward the Conservatives so that even if the Conservatives try to take advantage of poor Labour polling they may find their way blocked by other parties.
Yeah i see that logic, but lets say Starmer is PM of a minoroty government with 280 seats, the SNP have 45, Tories 270 Lib Dems 25 with NI, Greens, a couple of indies and Plaid scarfing the rest. Things are pretty bleak economically 18 months in and con lead but not on a high score Lab are tanking with LDs polling 20 plus again. SNP abstain on a Vonc, surely the LDs are going to cash in and try for a big seat boost?
The LDs would then have more seats but zero influence with a Tory majority government. Better for them to keep getting concessions from Labour so that some of their ideas make it into legislation.
But would be much better placed for the sort of breakthrough that brief I agree with Nick moment teased Theyd need to consider what they might 'get' in the 2 to 3 years left of the parliament versus possibly losing the poll surge they were enjoying. 25 seats and a few concessions, maybe, versus perhaps 65 seats and a Tory majority....
I thought all those windmills that litter the UK's coast were supposed to provide cheaper energy? It does not seem to be working out that way.
Tidal. We are an island. Tidal ffs, invest to the max in tidal power
I completely agree with you, but for some reason no govt will touch tidal.
Its bizarre how underutilised it has been. More Home grown power we could be leveraging to protect against world price surges. Prorectionism. Its suddenly sexy again.
Same with food. Though I fear it is too late in view of the latest news. Periodically, and only months ago, on here, I was being relentlessly lectured how silly I was for being worried about UK food security, when it was much better and much more consonant with free market liberalism to import all our food from Australia etc and fuck the farmers.
Surely you should be worried about "Scottish food security". Cut off from rUK you will be eating oats, tatties, soil, thistles and "neeps and pebbles", a warming and traditional dish that has filled the stomach of weirdly stunted Unst kids for centuries
There's not a lot wrong with a diet based on porridge, potatoes, swedes, herring and mutton, bread, and garden vegetables.
The point does need t be made that Scotland is overall selfsufficient in food, unlike rUK.
No avocados? The horror!
Not heard of the Scottish avocado? There's at least one on this site.
Having a second vote on brexit before ghe first had been implemented would have been an abomination. But we could have one now, as we have left. There's no problem with that and I'd vote to rejoin. On the energy I think keeping the price cap to the old level would make sense but with a kicker of much higher unit charges once someone gets past 3000 kwh of leccy or 12000 kwh of gas. Adjust the leccy up for someone on leccy only supply
Too late. I wouldn't vote to rejoin now. The damage is done, and we would rejoin on vastly inferior terms, if the EU even allowed us back.
Still it was all worth it we got a Boris Johnson premiership.
No, I wouldn't. We'd look such utter plonkers. A National Humiliation that I'm just enough of a Patriot to recoil from. Need to ease back over many years to close pragmatic alignment and cooperation. Then who knows. It's an uncertain world.
I thought all those windmills that litter the UK's coast were supposed to provide cheaper energy? It does not seem to be working out that way.
Tidal. We are an island. Tidal ffs, invest to the max in tidal power
I completely agree with you, but for some reason no govt will touch tidal.
Its bizarre how underutilised it has been. More Home grown power we could be leveraging to protect against world price surges. Prorectionism. Its suddenly sexy again.
Same with food. Though I fear it is too late in view of the latest news. Periodically, and only months ago, on here, I was being relentlessly lectured how silly I was for being worried about UK food security, when it was much better and much more consonant with free market liberalism to import all our food from Australia etc and fuck the farmers.
Surely you should be worried about "Scottish food security". Cut off from rUK you will be eating oats, tatties, soil, thistles and "neeps and pebbles", a warming and traditional dish that has filled the stomach of weirdly stunted Unst kids for centuries
There's not a lot wrong with a diet based on porridge, potatoes, swedes, herring and mutton, bread, and garden vegetables.
The point does need t be made that Scotland is overall selfsufficient in food, unlike rUK.
No avocados? The horror!
I am sure that Edinburgh would starve without quinoa.
I was being told at our celebratory lunch today by my son's chinese girlfriend that in Mandarin 4 is a very unlucky number because it sounds like the word for death. Maybe they have a point.
- “What is devomax? What currently reserved powers would be devolved?”
Your lack of answer did not go unnoticed.
It is not for me to answer, it is a PM Starmer and Gordon Brown who would implement it
Gordon Brown?!? When did he become leader of the Labour Party again?
Starmer has made clear as PM he would put Gordon Brown in charge of a programme of further devolution
One for the PB Tories and Stuart.
" Dumb and Dumber"
Just going through the list of stuff that could get devolved while retaining a sensible Union (aka devomax), I reckon:
Universal Credit (etc) Illegal drugs Betting (eeek) Experimenting on animals Possibly some more energy stuff? tricky Equalities Post All income taxes (though income tax is largely devolved now)
That's it really. Anything further would be unworkable, imo.
I assume if income tax is devolved and they keep all they raise then there will be no capital transfer from the rest of the country and they will be getting a bill for their share of defence and debt servicing etc
You're forgetting NI, VAT, road tax, petrol tax ...
Indeed - that's why I specified income taxes (I include NI in that, given there is no actual link to the state pension). I think opening it up to other taxes would be unworkable.
@Pagan2, I won't bore you with the complex interactions of income tax revenue in Scotland and the block grant from the UK Gov, but that's basically what happens already. Though, of course, Scotland enjoys higher spend per capita compared with elsewhere.
But there is a link between NI and pensions, in that you need to pay NI to qualify for the state pension.
Sure, but there is no "pot". That can be swept aside by some legislation.
(Ducks for cover from irate pensioners and Nats...)
Quite right. Interestingly, it's pretty much the Tory Party voters who would be most outraged at that change to the certainties of a lifetime.
I thought all those windmills that litter the UK's coast were supposed to provide cheaper energy? It does not seem to be working out that way.
Tidal. We are an island. Tidal ffs, invest to the max in tidal power
I completely agree with you, but for some reason no govt will touch tidal.
Its bizarre how underutilised it has been. More Home grown power we could be leveraging to protect against world price surges. Prorectionism. Its suddenly sexy again.
Same with food. Though I fear it is too late in view of the latest news. Periodically, and only months ago, on here, I was being relentlessly lectured how silly I was for being worried about UK food security, when it was much better and much more consonant with free market liberalism to import all our food from Australia etc and fuck the farmers.
Surely you should be worried about "Scottish food security". Cut off from rUK you will be eating oats, tatties, soil, thistles and "neeps and pebbles", a warming and traditional dish that has filled the stomach of weirdly stunted Unst kids for centuries
There's not a lot wrong with a diet based on porridge, potatoes, swedes, herring and mutton, bread, and garden vegetables.
The point does need t be made that Scotland is overall selfsufficient in food, unlike rUK.
But that's only because no one wants to live in the turgid, sordid, midgey toilet that is Scotland (especially under the Nats). It's like saying "Greenland is self sufficient in food", Well, er, yeah, because you have 2 million tons of salmon but you have a population of 7,000 and they are all drunk because of the ghastly climate and permanent, suicidal gloom. And the shit football
It's like saying "in Saudi Arabia petrol is 20p a gallon"! Come and live here! Driving is cheap! We cut off hands!
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Of course, he could start by ordering the water companies to, y'know, fix their fecking pipes.
Edit - great minds, etc @Beibheirli_C
https://twitter.com/juliadavisnews/status/1558544508404617222
I missed this in July. Starmer rules out any arrangement with anyone. Be a short stint as minority PM then
Firstly, by consumers fiscal tightening as a consequence of high domestic energy bills. Labours plan will definitely help in this regard.
Secondly, business energy costs. I don’t think anyone is talking about capping/subsidising business energy supplies. A lot of businesses are sunk with the current wholesale price as it is.
May be an idea to be short the UK economy until this blows over. I’m reconsidering my ftse 100 tracker, even though it’s nowhere near as domestic-facing as the 250.
I was looking at buying a uk residential REIT. There are one or two with very well insulated modern housing units that will surely be able to milk the rents as energy prices go nuts.
Hmm
Still it was all worth it we got a Boris Johnson premiership.
Had the British public responded to the June 2016 result the way a cat responds to a water pistol, it would have been right and proper to reverse Brexit before enacting it. Let's say that the polling through autumn 2016 to say 2018 had been consistently 70 Remain: 30 Leave. That didn't happpen, but it wasn't totally crazy as a possibility once blank slate Brexit was replaced by a concrete reality.
And it wouldn't have been a democratic problem, provided a vast majority of the electorate backed that. And whilst that would have annoyed some people a lot, the rest of the country would have been numerous enough to shrug and point to the numbers.
Boris Johnson and his allies are plotting a return to Number 10 before the next election if Liz Truss “implodes” as Prime Minister
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-allies-plotting-return-27733394
Party leaders know what they need to do to win elections, even Corbyn made a play for that vote.
Ever since I started dealing with the leader of the opposition’s postbag in 1976, I’ve been familiar with the cry, “I haven’t worked and paid taxes all my life, only to have [insert chosen desideratum] taken away.” I longed to reply, “You may well have paid taxes all your life, but not enough, as it now turns out.”
Was it Swansea or Cardiff where tidal got blocked by the treasury bean counters ?
No vision, even old Uncle Joe has more ffsake
Tidal power would be am improvement; just such a shame the governments in which she took such a prominent and carefully photographed part did so little.
We are little better than serfs. Everything we earn goes aboard.
One of my favourite bits of JRM posturing was upon getting his barely scraping into the Cabinet position and spending his time leaving notes on others' desks, he had a shot of himself at his desk promoted which was enthusiastically talked up by his mates as what an office should look like, lacking a computer at his desk for example.
Meaning he thinks it is more efficient, and is proud, that he is creating more work for someone else to print things out for him and bring it to his desk rather than just have someone send it to him. That his petty whims are more important.
Prorectionism. Its suddenly sexy again.
God it is the GOP all over again.
Goodnight!
It was ok when Boris quit and constantly undermined his PM though.
Other managers have started badly before their system worked. Arteta is a good example.
I reckon ManU will make the top 7, though possibly with another manager at the helm.
What’s the profile of tidal power generation over, say, 24hrs? Would it not need to be paired with batteries (pumped hydro?) to provide effective baseload?
Following on from that,
1. Will Truss dare to kick Boris out in the snow to die this autumn?
2. Will the general public give Truss much of a new leader bounce if she comes to be seen as Boris in a frock? (As opposed to actual Boris, who likes getting his hands and other organs inside other people's frocks.)
@Pagan2, I won't bore you with the complex interactions of income tax revenue in Scotland and the block grant from the UK Gov, but that's basically what happens already. Though, of course, Scotland enjoys higher spend per capita compared with elsewhere.
https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(22)01111-3.pdf
Behavioral activities that require control over automatic routines typically feel effortful and result in cogni- tive fatigue. Beyond subjective report, cognitive fatigue has been conceived as an inflated cost of cogni- tive control, objectified by more impulsive decisions. However, the origins of such control cost inflation with cognitive work are heavily debated. Here, we suggest a neuro-metabolic account: the cost would relate to the necessity of recycling potentially toxic substances accumulated during cognitive control exertion. We validated this account using magnetic resonance spectroscopy (MRS) to monitor brain me- tabolites throughout an approximate workday, during which two groups of participants performed either high-demand or low-demand cognitive control tasks, interleaved with economic decisions. Choice- related fatigue markers were only present in the high-demand group, with a reduction of pupil dilation during decision-making and a preference shift toward short-delay and little-effort options (a low-cost bias captured using computational modeling). At the end of the day, high-demand cognitive work re- sulted in higher glutamate concentration and glutamate/glutamine diffusion in a cognitive control brain region (lateral prefrontal cortex [lPFC]), relative to low-demand cognitive work and to a reference brain region (primary visual cortex [V1]). Taken together with previous fMRI data, these results support a neuro-metabolic model in which glutamate accumulation triggers a regulation mechanism that makes lPFC activation more costly, explaining why cognitive control is harder to mobilize after a strenuous workday…
Also - some tidal systems let the water in when the tide is flowing, then impound it and use the power when it is ebbing. Vide the mediaeval/early modern watermill at Freshwater on the Isle of Wight.
Edit: here's an example.
https://montymariner.co.uk/tide-stream-charts/
That assessment included encompassing the 'mistakes' that he himself made (saying they were not sufficient to reject him). Accordingly, if there are committee findings against him expect her to call it a witchhunt, moan about the process, about how we should move on as he is not PM anymore, or just outright seek to ignore it.
The point does need t be made that Scotland is overall selfsufficient in food, unlike rUK.
The James Hutton Institute, the respected scientific research centre in Dundee, has calculated that extreme weather will impose radical changes to farming
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/climate-change-threatens-potatoes-in-scotland-n3pc3kcbp
Things are pretty bleak economically 18 months in and con lead but not on a high score Lab are tanking with LDs polling 20 plus again. SNP abstain on a Vonc, surely the LDs are going to cash in and try for a big seat boost?
However, before the general introduction of 21 deg C central heating no one froze to death because during what were much colder winters they did not heat the whole house and they wore vests and jumpers and thicker clothing. Perhaps if we did that again we might find that our energy bills were much reduced and we could afford to eat!
It certainly was the sort of short termist saving that lacks strategic vision that we have so gotten used to in this country.
(Ducks for cover from irate pensioners and Nats...)
(Goes on a wikipedia deep dive)
Theyd need to consider what they might 'get' in the 2 to 3 years left of the parliament versus possibly losing the poll surge they were enjoying.
25 seats and a few concessions, maybe, versus perhaps 65 seats and a Tory majority....
It's like saying "in Saudi Arabia petrol is 20p a gallon"! Come and live here! Driving is cheap! We cut off hands!