Boris has a wedding thanksgiving party at a Grade 1 house in the Cotswolds with guests including Nadine Dorries and Jacob Rees-Mogg, Ben Wallace, Zac Goldsmith, John Whittingdale and Lord Bamford and his father and sister
If Liz Truss is the answer, what is the question, exactly?
What is Liz going to do (or not do) that Boris wasn't doing (or was doing) that will turn Conservative fortunes around?
Because, apart from the trivial (not keeping sex pests in the Whips' Office) and the downright dangerous (assuming government can spend like a sailor without consequences), it's not obvious.
The "trivial" was deemed pretty serious a few weeks ago.
If the same policies are done, but minus Boris's personal flaws like his propensity to lie more than the average politician does, then would that not be a significant change in its own right?
It may be. But would it be more successful?
Well it was successful enough recipe two and a half years ago to get an 80 seat majority.
I get that those who want a complete change in direction, us to rejoin the Single Market etc, etc might not think this is a significant change - but Boris wasn't brought down because of policy failings. Well apart from his failure to stick to the manifesto on tax, which Truss is promising to fix.
FPT. 2m attend an Anglican church ONCE A MONTH or more? That's a mere 3% of the population. And that hardly shows a devout devotion anyways.
Sounds like self reporting distortion, a bit like long Covid. Sounds far too high.
Not really
There are 16,000 C of E churches in England (presumably a few more in Sco, NI and Wales)
Plus 42 cathedrals (which will get big crowds for Evensongs and the like)
2 million divided by 16,000 = 125
That means each church needs to get just 125 visitors spread over four Sundays, and some other services
Some will get much less than that, if any, but some churches will get way more than that - and add in the big numbers for the cathedrals - and then it sounds quite feasible
When did you last go to church? Our village church 3 years ago closed for lack of attendance. Our previous village pop. circa 1,000 had a regular attendance of about a dozen, including the vicar, readers and churchwardens.
When did you last go to a big happy clappy more-evangelical CofE church in London with hundreds of congregants?
They should lock the doors and not let those mad feckers out again.
If Liz Truss is the answer, what is the question, exactly?
What is Liz going to do (or not do) that Boris wasn't doing (or was doing) that will turn Conservative fortunes around?
Because, apart from the trivial (not keeping sex pests in the Whips' Office) and the downright dangerous (assuming government can spend like a sailor without consequences), it's not obvious.
The "trivial" was deemed pretty serious a few weeks ago.
If the same policies are done, but minus Boris's personal flaws like his propensity to lie more than the average politician does, then would that not be a significant change in its own right?
It may be. But would it be more successful?
Well it was successful enough recipe two and a half years ago to get an 80 seat majority.
I get that those who want a complete change in direction, us to rejoin the Single Market etc, etc might not think this is a significant change - but Boris wasn't brought down because of policy failings. Well apart from his failure to stick to the manifesto on tax, which Truss is promising to fix.
Are you quite sure that played no part whatsoever?
Plenty now calling that we are past peak US inflation. Sure, they don’t have the gas issue to contend with and have lost relatively less oil refining capacity. But they did undertake a massive monetary and fiscal expansion in covid, with the Trump cheque as close to textbook helicopter money as you can envisage.
It’s plausible to think that we’ll also be past the peak in inflation as the last winter frosts thaw. Real question then will be what sort of growth environment do we exit into.
Can’t help but think those slating Truss’s chances do so from a position of either instinctive anti-Toryism or anti-Brexitism, rather than dispassionate calculation. Personally I can envisage a scenario where she surfs through a very difficult first 6 months with the electorate giving her the benefit of the doubt as a new leader, before she (fairly or otherwise) claims the peace dividend. A sensibly balanced Cabinet and she might far surpass Theresa May, and win a sufficiently reasonable majority that she outlasts not only Johnson’s tenure but Cameron’s too.
Feel free to remind me of this next autumn if TSE is right and there’s another leadership vote, but I (gentlemen’s) wager I’m more right than the most scathing predictions are.
I have to take a yawning teenage daughter on a one or two day trip out of London
She's 16, bright, but easily bored, quite likes history
Any suggestions? Quirkier the better perhaps
Brighton of course. The Royal Pavilion and the adjacent museum for the history. Then the seedy underbelly and all the woke deviancy to stave off the boredom. And the beach, and the pier.....
Hmm. Good idea, trouble is I know Brighton really well, and I want to have fun too. Tricky...
I have to take a yawning teenage daughter on a one or two day trip out of London
She's 16, bright, but easily bored, quite likes history
Any suggestions? Quirkier the better perhaps
There are a bunch of different caves within striking distance of London. A cave tour is something a bit different, can have some interesting history attached. I wouldn't know a specific one to recommend though.
Niiigel, Nig-el Far-age, Everyone Loves Your Cords!
Niiigel, Ni-gel Far-age, Thanks For Stopping the Hordes!
Thar's what our smiling, rosy-cheeked children will sing, on this:
the Feast of Leave.
And Brexit Day shall ne'er go by, From this day to the ending of the world, But we in it shall be remembered, with our cheers We few, we happy few, we band of Brexiteers
Fewer and fewer...
In about 5 years barely anyone will admit to voting Remain. In ten years Remainers will be actively hunted for sport, and the last of them will have to hide in "Remoaner Holes", tiny little alcoves in big old houses in Richmond and Cambridge, as the hardcore Leavers smoke them out with dogs and guns and super laser drones which look like weird grey wasps, or maybe hornets
We're in the King Edward IV phase of Brexit at the moment.
The question is whether we get Queen Mary I next or a long Queen Elizabeth I reign who effectively settles it for good.
Good Queen Bess settled the issue for good with a relatively moderate settlement that frustrated evangelicals who wanted to go further.
The evangelicals would have had their way if Mary had not usurped Queen Jane. I think that's the branch we're heading down.
There was the small matter of Civil War, regicide, Restoration and the Glorious Revolution before it was truly settled for good.
Plenty now calling that we are past peak US inflation. Sure, they don’t have the gas issue to contend with and have lost relatively less oil refining capacity. But they did undertake a massive monetary and fiscal expansion in covid, with the Trump cheque as close to textbook helicopter money as you can envisage.
It’s plausible to think that we’ll also be past the peak in inflation as the last winter frosts thaw. Real question then will be what sort of growth environment do we exit into.
Can’t help but think those slating Truss’s chances do so from a position of either instinctive anti-Toryism or anti-Brexitism, rather than dispassionate calculation. Personally I can envisage a scenario where she surfs through a very difficult first 6 months with the electorate giving her the benefit of the doubt as a new leader, before she (fairly or otherwise) claims the peace dividend. A sensibly balanced Cabinet and she might far surpass Theresa May, and win a sufficiently reasonable majority that she outlasts not only Johnson’s tenure but Cameron’s too.
Feel free to remind me of this next autumn if TSE is right and there’s another leadership vote, but I (gentlemen’s) wager I’m more right than the most scathing predictions are.
I think she'll lead the Tories into the next election but I do not foresee her producing a large majority in any case.
I think Starmer may basically end up having the same problem as Sunak, just with a slightly slower burn.
I don't really believe he's heart-on-sleeve patriotic and loves the monarchy no matter how many flags he puts up around him.
It's pretty obvious he's got conventional north London left-wing views at heart - probably similar to @kinabalu - and would go full Woke, flip to a republic and re-join the EU - with the euro on top - if he could.
People will sniff that insincerity out.
Yes, you've really got him sussed, haven't you - brilliant. A Labour leader from north London has conventional north London left-wing views - well I never.
Think you're wrong on the detail anyway. I reckon he does love his country. As for the monarchy, like many of us he probably thinks it's pretty anachronistic but also pretty harmless currently, and there are bigger fish to fry. Europe - he'll play that by ear. And as for going 'full Woke' - I haven't got a clue what that even means.
Agree with @Casino_Royale in the last thread. Love him or hate him Nigel Farage should clearly be honoured for the contribution he's made to public life.
Not just honoured, REVERED
More drunken BS.
Brits don’t give a xxxx for abstract concepts like (purported) sovereignty if they come with the cost of having to queue for five hours to go on holiday.
One day, my friend, you too will give thanks for Brexit. And you will whisper the name "Farage" almost like a long lost, much loved girlfriend
And you will come on this site and ask my forgiveness, and apologise for being so wrong. I shall try to be magnanimous, because I know you are lonely and only talk to your dog
I think you should not mix PCP, MDMA and booze. It just breaks your brain.
Back on Planet Earth I think Truss will have the shortest of short honeymoons and then be taken apart as one crisis bangs into another and her incompetence outstrips the ability of the Tory bullshit machine to gloss over her faults.
This is true. We all (well, except Barty) thought she was crap and mad before, based on y'know, the evidence. She hasn't suddenly become sane and competent.
It will all end in tears.
Or I was right and you were 'all' wrong.
Just as I was when I was a relatively lone voice at the time on this site from the leave side calling for Theresa May's deal to be rejected, which ended in triumph.
Lol - such a 'triumph' that more people than ever think Brexit was a mistake.
Seriously though, how do you think the Tories are going to survive the next two years of economic woe?
Plenty now calling that we are past peak US inflation. Sure, they don’t have the gas issue to contend with and have lost relatively less oil refining capacity. But they did undertake a massive monetary and fiscal expansion in covid, with the Trump cheque as close to textbook helicopter money as you can envisage.
It’s plausible to think that we’ll also be past the peak in inflation as the last winter frosts thaw. Real question then will be what sort of growth environment do we exit into.
Can’t help but think those slating Truss’s chances do so from a position of either instinctive anti-Toryism or anti-Brexitism, rather than dispassionate calculation. Personally I can envisage a scenario where she surfs through a very difficult first 6 months with the electorate giving her the benefit of the doubt as a new leader, before she (fairly or otherwise) claims the peace dividend. A sensibly balanced Cabinet and she might far surpass Theresa May, and win a sufficiently reasonable majority that she outlasts not only Johnson’s tenure but Cameron’s too.
Feel free to remind me of this next autumn if TSE is right and there’s another leadership vote, but I (gentlemen’s) wager I’m more right than the most scathing predictions are.
I think she'll lead the Tories into the next election but I do not foresee her producing a large majority in any case.
My view is she stands a good chance of winning a large enough majority to last another term. I think the economic cycle is going to play into her hands.
Plenty now calling that we are past peak US inflation. Sure, they don’t have the gas issue to contend with and have lost relatively less oil refining capacity. But they did undertake a massive monetary and fiscal expansion in covid, with the Trump cheque as close to textbook helicopter money as you can envisage.
It’s plausible to think that we’ll also be past the peak in inflation as the last winter frosts thaw. Real question then will be what sort of growth environment do we exit into.
Can’t help but think those slating Truss’s chances do so from a position of either instinctive anti-Toryism or anti-Brexitism, rather than dispassionate calculation. Personally I can envisage a scenario where she surfs through a very difficult first 6 months with the electorate giving her the benefit of the doubt as a new leader, before she (fairly or otherwise) claims the peace dividend. A sensibly balanced Cabinet and she might far surpass Theresa May, and win a sufficiently reasonable majority that she outlasts not only Johnson’s tenure but Cameron’s too.
Feel free to remind me of this next autumn if TSE is right and there’s another leadership vote, but I (gentlemen’s) wager I’m more right than the most scathing predictions are.
I think she'll lead the Tories into the next election but I do not foresee her producing a large majority in any case.
My view is she stands a good chance of winning a large enough majority to last another term. I think the economic cycle is going to play into her hands.
I think we're in deep shit and the economy is in the hole after 12 years of failure. But you may well be right.
Plenty now calling that we are past peak US inflation. Sure, they don’t have the gas issue to contend with and have lost relatively less oil refining capacity. But they did undertake a massive monetary and fiscal expansion in covid, with the Trump cheque as close to textbook helicopter money as you can envisage.
It’s plausible to think that we’ll also be past the peak in inflation as the last winter frosts thaw. Real question then will be what sort of growth environment do we exit into.
Can’t help but think those slating Truss’s chances do so from a position of either instinctive anti-Toryism or anti-Brexitism, rather than dispassionate calculation. Personally I can envisage a scenario where she surfs through a very difficult first 6 months with the electorate giving her the benefit of the doubt as a new leader, before she (fairly or otherwise) claims the peace dividend. A sensibly balanced Cabinet and she might far surpass Theresa May, and win a sufficiently reasonable majority that she outlasts not only Johnson’s tenure but Cameron’s too.
Feel free to remind me of this next autumn if TSE is right and there’s another leadership vote, but I (gentlemen’s) wager I’m more right than the most scathing predictions are.
I think she'll lead the Tories into the next election but I do not foresee her producing a large majority in any case.
Yes the conditions for a large Tory majority don’t look to be there. However there is a chance of several outcomes which if Johnson had clung on would have been fewer.
I have to take a yawning teenage daughter on a one or two day trip out of London
She's 16, bright, but easily bored, quite likes history
Any suggestions? Quirkier the better perhaps
The Farage Monument on Primrose Hill.
She is already a fierce Leaver. I made sure of that at least. Think she has a shrine to Farage in her new bedroom
I quite like those chains on the north bank of the Thames near the Captain Kidd where they used to drown pirates in the rising tide. Incorporate it with a history walk along the river from as far West as your legs can last.
What will do for Truss is CoL, if she sorts that out Tory majority is value. I don't think she will and my central forecast is Labour minority government
Yes, I agree. The odds are out of line with the Betfair odds for the Tories getting a majority (3-1) - it's hard to see Truss staying on if they don't.
But of course there's always a risk that the actual winner is a fourth person.
I have to take a yawning teenage daughter on a one or two day trip out of London
She's 16, bright, but easily bored, quite likes history
Any suggestions? Quirkier the better perhaps
Brighton of course. The Royal Pavilion and the adjacent museum for the history. Then the seedy underbelly and all the woke deviancy to stave off the boredom. And the beach, and the pier.....
Hmm. Good idea, trouble is I know Brighton really well, and I want to have fun too. Tricky...
You can have fun too; you're not too old. Sit outside the Waggon and Horses, watch all the beautiful and/or interesting people stroll by. Or perch on the terrace of the new Shelter Hall, on the beach, eating good food and drinking whatever. The oyster is your world. PS - Wild Flor in Hove is a top class restaurant, and yes I do have a personal interest in it, but it really is superb.
I have to take a yawning teenage daughter on a one or two day trip out of London
She's 16, bright, but easily bored, quite likes history
Any suggestions? Quirkier the better perhaps
The Farage Monument on Primrose Hill.
She is already a fierce Leaver. I made sure of that at least. Think she has a shrine to Farage in her new bedroom
I quite like those chains on the north bank of the Thames near the Captain Kidd where they used to drown pirates in the rising tide. Incorporate it with a history walk along the river from as far West as your legs can last.
Plenty now calling that we are past peak US inflation. Sure, they don’t have the gas issue to contend with and have lost relatively less oil refining capacity. But they did undertake a massive monetary and fiscal expansion in covid, with the Trump cheque as close to textbook helicopter money as you can envisage.
It’s plausible to think that we’ll also be past the peak in inflation as the last winter frosts thaw. Real question then will be what sort of growth environment do we exit into.
Can’t help but think those slating Truss’s chances do so from a position of either instinctive anti-Toryism or anti-Brexitism, rather than dispassionate calculation. Personally I can envisage a scenario where she surfs through a very difficult first 6 months with the electorate giving her the benefit of the doubt as a new leader, before she (fairly or otherwise) claims the peace dividend. A sensibly balanced Cabinet and she might far surpass Theresa May, and win a sufficiently reasonable majority that she outlasts not only Johnson’s tenure but Cameron’s too.
Feel free to remind me of this next autumn if TSE is right and there’s another leadership vote, but I (gentlemen’s) wager I’m more right than the most scathing predictions are.
I think she'll lead the Tories into the next election but I do not foresee her producing a large majority in any case.
Yes the conditions for a large Tory majority don’t look to be there. However there is a chance of several outcomes which if Johnson had clung on would have been fewer.
Completely agree.
It ranges from tiny Labour majority, to Labour largest party, to Tories largest party to small Tory majority.
Truss's best is repeating Cameron IMHO. The Red Wall looks to be mostly lost whatever happens.
How does Truss go down in the Blue Wall, does anyone know?
I have to take a yawning teenage daughter on a one or two day trip out of London
She's 16, bright, but easily bored, quite likes history
Any suggestions? Quirkier the better perhaps
The Farage Monument on Primrose Hill.
She is already a fierce Leaver. I made sure of that at least. Think she has a shrine to Farage in her new bedroom
I quite like those chains on the north bank of the Thames near the Captain Kidd where they used to drown pirates in the rising tide. Incorporate it with a history walk along the river from as far West as your legs can last.
I LOVE that bit of London, but she REALLY wants to get out of the Smoke
I think Starmer may basically end up having the same problem as Sunak, just with a slightly slower burn.
I don't really believe he's heart-on-sleeve patriotic and loves the monarchy no matter how many flags he puts up around him.
It's pretty obvious he's got conventional north London left-wing views at heart - probably similar to @kinabalu - and would go full Woke, flip to a republic and re-join the EU - with the euro on top - if he could.
People will sniff that insincerity out.
Yes, you've really got him sussed, haven't you - brilliant. A Labour leader from north London has conventional north London left-wing views - well I never.
Think you're wrong on the detail anyway. I reckon he does love his country. As for the monarchy, like many of us he probably thinks it's pretty anachronistic but also pretty harmless currently, and there are bigger fish to fry. Europe - he'll play that by ear. And as for going 'full Woke' - I haven't got a clue what that even means.
Love of country not sufficient though. Has to be in "heart on sleeve" fashion which means ... well god knows but it sounds like something you'd cross the street to avoid.
I have to take a yawning teenage daughter on a one or two day trip out of London
She's 16, bright, but easily bored, quite likes history
Any suggestions? Quirkier the better perhaps
Brighton of course. The Royal Pavilion and the adjacent museum for the history. Then the seedy underbelly and all the woke deviancy to stave off the boredom. And the beach, and the pier.....
Hmm. Good idea, trouble is I know Brighton really well, and I want to have fun too. Tricky...
You can have fun too; you're not too old. Sit outside the Waggon and Horses, watch all the beautiful and/or interesting people stroll by. Or perch on the terrace of the new Shelter Hall, on the beach, eating good food and drinking whatever. The oyster is your world. PS - Wild Flor in Hove is a top class restaurant, and yes I do have a personal interest in it, but it really is superb.
Plenty now calling that we are past peak US inflation. Sure, they don’t have the gas issue to contend with and have lost relatively less oil refining capacity. But they did undertake a massive monetary and fiscal expansion in covid, with the Trump cheque as close to textbook helicopter money as you can envisage.
It’s plausible to think that we’ll also be past the peak in inflation as the last winter frosts thaw. Real question then will be what sort of growth environment do we exit into.
Can’t help but think those slating Truss’s chances do so from a position of either instinctive anti-Toryism or anti-Brexitism, rather than dispassionate calculation. Personally I can envisage a scenario where she surfs through a very difficult first 6 months with the electorate giving her the benefit of the doubt as a new leader, before she (fairly or otherwise) claims the peace dividend. A sensibly balanced Cabinet and she might far surpass Theresa May, and win a sufficiently reasonable majority that she outlasts not only Johnson’s tenure but Cameron’s too.
Feel free to remind me of this next autumn if TSE is right and there’s another leadership vote, but I (gentlemen’s) wager I’m more right than the most scathing predictions are.
I think she'll lead the Tories into the next election but I do not foresee her producing a large majority in any case.
Yes the conditions for a large Tory majority don’t look to be there. However there is a chance of several outcomes which if Johnson had clung on would have been fewer.
Completely agree.
It ranges from tiny Labour majority, to Labour largest party, to Tories largest party to small Tory majority.
Truss's best is repeating Cameron IMHO. The Red Wall looks to be mostly lost whatever happens.
How does Truss go down in the Blue Wall, does anyone know?
Probably the same as everywhere else, though you may wish to rephrase your question.
I've never been to Blenheim Palace. That's got to be interesting? An entire palace. UNESCO listed
Has any PB-er been? Is it impressive enough to placate a slightly snarky 16 year old?
I went there as an older teenager and enjoyed the day but mainly because it included a trip up the road to the village where my grandmother grew up as one daughter of 5 in a small cottage and the church where she married my grandfather not too many years after he was released from the pow camps. Village seemed like it hadn’t changed in those many decades.
Go for personal history. We’re all the stars of our own novel.
I have to take a yawning teenage daughter on a one or two day trip out of London
She's 16, bright, but easily bored, quite likes history
Any suggestions? Quirkier the better perhaps
Brighton of course. The Royal Pavilion and the adjacent museum for the history. Then the seedy underbelly and all the woke deviancy to stave off the boredom. And the beach, and the pier.....
Hmm. Good idea, trouble is I know Brighton really well, and I want to have fun too. Tricky...
You can have fun too; you're not too old. Sit outside the Waggon and Horses, watch all the beautiful and/or interesting people stroll by. Or perch on the terrace of the new Shelter Hall, on the beach, eating good food and drinking whatever. The oyster is your world. PS - Wild Flor in Hove is a top class restaurant, and yes I do have a personal interest in it, but it really is superb.
I'd like to break it gently to the PB Tories now daring to believe that Queenie can somehow save the party from a complete trouncing at the next GE:
1. The economy is f*cked.
2. The population is going to face financial hardship the like of which none of us will have experienced.
3. The CoL crisis is going to blamed fairly and squarely on this government.
Nothing the Tories can do will fix it in the next 2-3 years.
Neither Thatcher nor Churchill would stand a chance of overcoming that enormous electoral hurdle. Truss certainly won't. Even a Labour led by Corbyn would win in those circumstances.
The Tories are doomed. And rightly so.
Sorry to ruin your evening, but there it is.
No you're right. The Conservatives are heading for opposition at the next election and Labour will form the next government.
It won't be a 1997 meltdown or anything like that but a small overall Labour majority is very likely IMO.
Con have had a good run but it will be time for a change in 2024/25.
I've never been to Blenheim Palace. That's got to be interesting? An entire palace. UNESCO listed
Has any PB-er been? Is it impressive enough to placate a slightly snarky 16 year old?
I went there as an older teenager and enjoyed the day but mainly because it included a trip up the road to the village where my grandmother grew up as one daughter of 5 in a small cottage and the church where she married my grandfather not too many years after he was released from the pow camps. Village seemed like it hadn’t changed in those many decades.
Go for personal history. We’re all the stars of our own novel.
Keir Starmer was brought up in Surrey by a toolmaker and a nurse, I know people are desperate for him to be some kind of ultra woke London elitist but he's really not.
I'd like to break it gently to the PB Tories now daring to believe that Queenie can somehow save the party from a complete trouncing at the next GE:
1. The economy is f*cked.
2. The population is going to face financial hardship the like of which none of us will have experienced.
3. The CoL crisis is going to blamed fairly and squarely on this government.
Nothing the Tories can do will fix it in the next 2-3 years.
Neither Thatcher nor Churchill would stand a chance of overcoming that enormous electoral hurdle. Truss certainly won't. Even a Labour led by Corbyn would win in those circumstances.
The Tories are doomed. And rightly so.
Sorry to ruin your evening, but there it is.
It really isn't even there or thereabouts. I'd love to see some polling on this, but in the absence of same I am thinking most people rightly think their personal economy is fucked by the following factors in this order
1. Putin 2. Covid 3. Brexit
of which 1 and 2 are shit happens type events, 3 is actually the tories' fault but people recognise that they voted for it. Now, if SKS scored one hundredth of a Blair on the feelgood scale, that would be enough. But things is what they is, and he is such an ineffably dreary self righteous fuckwit that it really is all to play for. He has underperformed to a jaw dropping extent over Borisdammerung, how he will do against a female PM without a criminal record is anybody's guess.
I've never been to Blenheim Palace. That's got to be interesting? An entire palace. UNESCO listed
Has any PB-er been? Is it impressive enough to placate a slightly snarky 16 year old?
It's OK.
Have you considered Stamford, Lincs.
Burleigh House is the finest Elizabeth England House in the country, the grounds are lovely, with deer wandering around. The whole town is an architectural gem. There are several good Georgian inns to stay in as it was the overnight stop between London and York. The water meadows are delightful
I have to take a yawning teenage daughter on a one or two day trip out of London
She's 16, bright, but easily bored, quite likes history
Any suggestions? Quirkier the better perhaps
The Farage Monument on Primrose Hill.
She is already a fierce Leaver. I made sure of that at least. Think she has a shrine to Farage in her new bedroom
I quite like those chains on the north bank of the Thames near the Captain Kidd where they used to drown pirates in the rising tide. Incorporate it with a history walk along the river from as far West as your legs can last.
I LOVE that bit of London, but she REALLY wants to get out of the Smoke
Dover? March straight uphill from the railway station to the Western Heights, and the GRand Shaft, if you can catch an open day. https://doverwesternheights.org/calendar/ And the wooden Bronze Age ship in the museum. And a very nice old mediaeval pub in the ancient harbour area. White Horse.
(That's before you even get to Dover Castle and the White Cliffs and the concrete sound mirrors.)
Or Portchester Castle and Fort Nelson on the hill above.
Or Selborne to see Gilbert White's house and a walk up the hanger (steep wooded brae sensu Weald).
I have to take a yawning teenage daughter on a one or two day trip out of London
She's 16, bright, but easily bored, quite likes history
Any suggestions? Quirkier the better perhaps
Brighton of course. The Royal Pavilion and the adjacent museum for the history. Then the seedy underbelly and all the woke deviancy to stave off the boredom. And the beach, and the pier.....
Hmm. Good idea, trouble is I know Brighton really well, and I want to have fun too. Tricky...
You can have fun too; you're not too old. Sit outside the Waggon and Horses, watch all the beautiful and/or interesting people stroll by. Or perch on the terrace of the new Shelter Hall, on the beach, eating good food and drinking whatever. The oyster is your world. PS - Wild Flor in Hove is a top class restaurant, and yes I do have a personal interest in it, but it really is superb.
You are indeed making it sound quite tempting....
Volk's Electric Railway! The oldest still-open electric railway, 1883! (that's SEVEN years before the first part of London's Northern Line)
Keir Starmer was brought up in Surrey by a toolmaker and a nurse, I know people are desperate for him to be some kind of ultra woke London elitist but he's really not.
I like him, but you have to admit he’s become part of the London metropolitan elite, surely?
Keir Starmer was brought up in Surrey by a toolmaker and a nurse, I know people are desperate for him to be some kind of ultra woke London elitist but he's really not.
I like him, but you have to admit he’s become part of the London metropolitan elite, surely?
Then Truss has too. But I bet we won't see that written will we?
I'd like to break it gently to the PB Tories now daring to believe that Queenie can somehow save the party from a complete trouncing at the next GE:
1. The economy is f*cked.
2. The population is going to face financial hardship the like of which none of us will have experienced.
3. The CoL crisis is going to blamed fairly and squarely on this government.
Nothing the Tories can do will fix it in the next 2-3 years.
Neither Thatcher nor Churchill would stand a chance of overcoming that enormous electoral hurdle. Truss certainly won't. Even a Labour led by Corbyn would win in those circumstances.
The Tories are doomed. And rightly so.
Sorry to ruin your evening, but there it is.
It really isn't even there or thereabouts. I'd love to see some polling on this, but in the absence of same I am thinking most people rightly think their personal economy is fucked by the following factors in this order
1. Putin 2. Covid 3. Brexit
of which 1 and 2 are shit happens type events, 3 is actually the tories' fault but people recognise that they voted for it. Now, if SKS scored one hundredth of a Blair on the feelgood scale, that would be enough. But things is what they is, and he is such an ineffably dreary self righteous fuckwit that it really is all to play for. He has underperformed to a jaw dropping extent over Borisdammerung, how he will do against a female PM without a criminal record is anybody's guess.
I don't disagree with you today but in two years time the it'll be 'the economy stupid' and barring an unlikely and unexpected capitulation by Putin, the economy will be well and truly f*cked.
I've never been to Blenheim Palace. That's got to be interesting? An entire palace. UNESCO listed
Has any PB-er been? Is it impressive enough to placate a slightly snarky 16 year old?
It's certainly big and impressive but I'm not sure my 16yo self would have appreciated it. Somewhere like Fishbourne Palace is much smaller but the 2,000 year old history is worth more.
Speaking of Roman history I went to Silchester for the first time a week ago. The actual "town" itself there is nothing really to see except fields and was pretty disappointing. However, the amphitheatre outside the town is fairly intact and you can feel the history. I'm sure many people must have died inside that arena and I felt a sense of that.
Also a +1 for Portchester. Some other places around the central South I think are worth the visit are: - Old Sarum (original town just North of Salisbury) - Corfe Castle, Isle of Purbeck (possibly the most inspiring castle in the country despite it being a ruin) - Wareham. Quaint old town with beautiful pubs on the river and impressive ramparts around the town built by Alfred the Great
Keir Starmer was brought up in Surrey by a toolmaker and a nurse, I know people are desperate for him to be some kind of ultra woke London elitist but he's really not.
I like him, but you have to admit he’s become part of the London metropolitan elite, surely?
Boris Johnson lived in Islington. So does almost all the elite in politics and the media. Starmer isn't special in that regard at all. It isn't a good thing, mind, being as how it's very difficult to do your job and not live there.
She'd abolish housing targets. Well we never meet them anyway so I guess give up?
She'd make it easier to get a mortgage by using renter history, this was already coming in. Anything about the price of houses Liz, or how to save up whilst spending thousands on rent?
Anything on getting it easier to build FTTP, or masts? Nope
If Labour was doing this we'd be saying how empty a platform and vehicle they are.
Keir Starmer was brought up in Surrey by a toolmaker and a nurse, I know people are desperate for him to be some kind of ultra woke London elitist but he's really not.
I like him, but you have to admit he’s become part of the London metropolitan elite, surely?
Biggest criticism of Starmer remains boring, certainly on that basis he's the best Labour has had since Blair
Yes. He is not paid to outperform his own predecessors, though, he is paid to outperform the tories.
He is outperforming the Tories as of right now. We can argue if he should be doing better but I am still glad to have voted for him, he did what I voted him to do.
I've never been to Blenheim Palace. That's got to be interesting? An entire palace. UNESCO listed
Has any PB-er been? Is it impressive enough to placate a slightly snarky 16 year old?
It's certainly big and impressive but I'm not sure my 16yo self would have appreciated it. Somewhere like Fishbourne Palace is much smaller but the 2,000 year old history is worth more.
Speaking of Roman history I went to Silchester for the first time a week ago. The actual "town" itself there is nothing really to see except fields and was pretty disappointing. However, the amphitheatre outside the town is fairly intact and you can feel the history. I'm sure many people must have died inside that arena and I felt a sense of that.
Also a +1 for Portchester. Some other places around the central South I think are worth the visit are: - Old Sarum (original town just North of Salisbury) - Corfe Castle, Isle of Purbeck (possibly the most inspiring castle in the country despite it being a ruin) - Wareham. Quaint old town with beautiful pubs on the river and impressive ramparts around the town built by Alfred the Great
Absolutely agree on all of those - and a walk around the village of Corfe masy turn up some Purbeck marble rubble form the old industry (fossil snails in limestone).
The town of Silchester itself is best seen in a dry summer - the town roads magically appear in the parched grass seen from the top of the walls. But yes, there is not a lot to see unless there are escavations going on, and the amphitheatre is the big bonus. I remember once camping just outside the Silchester amphitheatre as a student en route to a hike along the old Roman road to the east.
Another area worth visiting for good history is the NE of England. Some locations for a 2 or 3 day road trip:
- York. Obviously - Jorvik etc. - Durham, particularly the cathedral and stunning location of it - Whitby Abbey (very haunting if you get it in the right weather) - Hadrian's Wall (lots of very impressive locations) - Holy Island - Berwick - Alnwick
I have to take a yawning teenage daughter on a one or two day trip out of London
She's 16, bright, but easily bored, quite likes history
Any suggestions? Quirkier the better perhaps
The Farage Monument on Primrose Hill.
She is already a fierce Leaver. I made sure of that at least. Think she has a shrine to Farage in her new bedroom
I quite like those chains on the north bank of the Thames near the Captain Kidd where they used to drown pirates in the rising tide. Incorporate it with a history walk along the river from as far West as your legs can last.
I LOVE that bit of London, but she REALLY wants to get out of the Smoke
Talking of smoke - take a trip on a preserved railway. You can focus on the role of the railways in the industrial revolution, opening up tourism for the masses and other historical stuff. And enjoy the chuffing.
I have to take a yawning teenage daughter on a one or two day trip out of London
She's 16, bright, but easily bored, quite likes history
Any suggestions? Quirkier the better perhaps
Brighton of course. The Royal Pavilion and the adjacent museum for the history. Then the seedy underbelly and all the woke deviancy to stave off the boredom. And the beach, and the pier.....
Hmm. Good idea, trouble is I know Brighton really well, and I want to have fun too. Tricky...
You can have fun too; you're not too old. Sit outside the Waggon and Horses, watch all the beautiful and/or interesting people stroll by. Or perch on the terrace of the new Shelter Hall, on the beach, eating good food and drinking whatever. The oyster is your world. PS - Wild Flor in Hove is a top class restaurant, and yes I do have a personal interest in it, but it really is superb.
You are indeed making it sound quite tempting....
Volk's Electric Railway! The oldest still-open electric railway, 1883! (that's SEVEN years before the first part of London's Northern Line)
Yes, and that. They've spent money on it in Covid times, and it's considerably improved this year - track upgraded, new crossing points etc.
Another area worth visiting for good history is the NE of England. Some locations for a 2 or 3 day road trip:
- York. Obviously - Jorvik etc. - Durham, particularly the cathedral and stunning location of it - Whitby Abbey (very haunting if you get it in the right weather) - Hadrian's Wall (lots of very impressive locations) - Holy Island - Berwick - Alnwick
Vindolanda. Arbeia. Chesters. There's so much Roman history if she likes that stuff.
So erh, Rishi was in favour of international law. God help us.
She really is Johnson 2.0 if this is what she's offering.
I think she’s showing she’s a savvier politician than I and many others gave her credit for. She knows her electorate is in the most important vote, which is always the next vote. Sunak has repeatedly shown himself to be a very naive politician, digging the knife further into Boris when the key constituency he needs to attract all voted for Boris. Because he’s looking to a general election that he likely won’t get to fight.
Keir Starmer was brought up in Surrey by a toolmaker and a nurse, I know people are desperate for him to be some kind of ultra woke London elitist but he's really not.
I like him, but you have to admit he’s become part of the London metropolitan elite, surely?
This is a narrative created by the Conservative media. There was no greater London Metropolitan Elitist than Boris Johnson.
Final comment on places to go with a bit of history. This is just a one off location but you can do it very easily on a day trip from London or if you on your way somewhere else and driving past - Bletchley Park. Modern history but they really bring it to life amazingly well. Thoroughly recommended.
The castration and execution has now appeared on my FB feed.
Unfollow whatever ghoul posted that to his timeline…
I would. But almost nowt is from my friends anymore. It's all algorithm driven. And adverts. I'd give up if it wasn't for the dwindling numbers of my friends from HS and Uni still using it to communicate.
I'd like to break it gently to the PB Tories now daring to believe that Queenie can somehow save the party from a complete trouncing at the next GE:
1. The economy is f*cked.
2. The population is going to face financial hardship the like of which none of us will have experienced.
3. The CoL crisis is going to blamed fairly and squarely on this government.
Nothing the Tories can do will fix it in the next 2-3 years.
Neither Thatcher nor Churchill would stand a chance of overcoming that enormous electoral hurdle. Truss certainly won't. Even a Labour led by Corbyn would win in those circumstances.
The Tories are doomed. And rightly so.
Sorry to ruin your evening, but there it is.
No you're right. The Conservatives are heading for opposition at the next election and Labour will form the next government.
It won't be a 1997 meltdown or anything like that but a small overall Labour majority is very likely IMO.
Con have had a good run but it will be time for a change in 2024/25.
Yep. And I'd go further. If despite everything the Cons win again that will be plain absurd and also objectively unhealthy. It will mean they are permagovernment and Labour are permaopposition with only the cast of characters changing. Can't see it myself. Or rather I can but I rate it well below 50% probability.
So erh, Rishi was in favour of international law. God help us.
She really is Johnson 2.0 if this is what she's offering.
I believe in Liz. She's the right candidate in the right place at the right time. To destroy the Tory Party's electoral prospects for a decade to come.
I will be getting behind her, and advise colleagues in the Tory parliamentary party, and proud and committed campaigners in local constituency offices up and down the country, too, to get behind the northern candidate, the real conservative candidate, rather than a member of the globalised elite. and the iron lady who's Best for Britain.
I've never been to Blenheim Palace. That's got to be interesting? An entire palace. UNESCO listed
Has any PB-er been? Is it impressive enough to placate a slightly snarky 16 year old?
Yes I have been, it is very impressive, grander than Buckingham Palace with fantastic grounds plus Maze. It is the UK Versailles
Versailles, you say? In that REPUBLIC known as France?
Where Macron lives in the Elysee Palace yes
So if we do become a republic, we can still have palaces as tourist attractions?
He lives in a Palace, visitors can't visit the Elysee as much as they can Buckingham Palace and they don't have the royal wedding, jubille and coronation revenue we do
I have to take a yawning teenage daughter on a one or two day trip out of London
She's 16, bright, but easily bored, quite likes history
Any suggestions? Quirkier the better perhaps
The Farage Monument on Primrose Hill.
She is already a fierce Leaver. I made sure of that at least. Think she has a shrine to Farage in her new bedroom
I quite like those chains on the north bank of the Thames near the Captain Kidd where they used to drown pirates in the rising tide. Incorporate it with a history walk along the river from as far West as your legs can last.
I LOVE that bit of London, but she REALLY wants to get out of the Smoke
Talking of smoke - take a trip on a preserved railway. You can focus on the role of the railways in the industrial revolution, opening up tourism for the masses and other historical stuff. And enjoy the chuffing.
This is not what 16 year olds like. As much as I think Brighton a dump, it was a better idea. Teenagers much prefer seeing something like the alley where Phil Daniels gave one to Lesley Ash in Quadrophenia and then having a pint with dad in a bar of disrepute that hasn’t changed since he was a teenager.
On the way down you could drop off at one of the old witches covens in the ashdown forest if you can find it online.
I've never been to Blenheim Palace. That's got to be interesting? An entire palace. UNESCO listed
Has any PB-er been? Is it impressive enough to placate a slightly snarky 16 year old?
Yes I have been, it is very impressive, grander than Buckingham Palace with fantastic grounds plus Maze. It is the UK Versailles
Versailles, you say? In that REPUBLIC known as France?
Where Macron lives in the Elysee Palace yes
So if we do become a republic, we can still have palaces as tourist attractions?
He lives in a Palace, visitors can't visit the Elysee as much as they can Buckingham Palace and they don't have the royal wedding, jubille and coronation revenue we do
But you were the one who mentioned Versailles earlier.
I have to take a yawning teenage daughter on a one or two day trip out of London
She's 16, bright, but easily bored, quite likes history
Any suggestions? Quirkier the better perhaps
The Farage Monument on Primrose Hill.
She is already a fierce Leaver. I made sure of that at least. Think she has a shrine to Farage in her new bedroom
I quite like those chains on the north bank of the Thames near the Captain Kidd where they used to drown pirates in the rising tide. Incorporate it with a history walk along the river from as far West as your legs can last.
I LOVE that bit of London, but she REALLY wants to get out of the Smoke
Talking of smoke - take a trip on a preserved railway. You can focus on the role of the railways in the industrial revolution, opening up tourism for the masses and other historical stuff. And enjoy the chuffing.
This is not what 16 year olds like. As much as I think Brighton a dump, it was a better idea. Teenagers much prefer seeing something like the alley where Phil Daniels gave one to Lesley Ash in Quadrophenia and then having a pint with dad in a bar of disrepute that hasn’t changed since he was a teenager.
On the way down you could drop off at one of the old witches covens in the ashdown forest if you can find it online.
I've never been to Blenheim Palace. That's got to be interesting? An entire palace. UNESCO listed
Has any PB-er been? Is it impressive enough to placate a slightly snarky 16 year old?
I went there as an older teenager and enjoyed the day but mainly because it included a trip up the road to the village where my grandmother grew up as one daughter of 5 in a small cottage and the church where she married my grandfather not too many years after he was released from the pow camps. Village seemed like it hadn’t changed in those many decades.
Go for personal history. We’re all the stars of our own novel.
Yes, I was considering taking her to Hastings for the Abbey and battlefield - and her Great ggggggggggg father William Peverel who is, apparently, listed in the abbey as one of the knights who came over with The Bastard
I'm not entirely sure if this is VI intention or something else, anyway
About that Tory lead bet...
Truss is bound to get an initial bounce and probably a poll lead. Johnson in summer 2019, May in summer 2016, Brown in summer 2007 and Major in autumn 1990 all got a bounce and took the lead after entering No 10.
However sustaining it to win a majority at the next general election would be the bigger challenge, only Major in 1992 managed it
I'm not entirely sure if this is VI intention or something else, anyway
About that Tory lead bet...
I don't think many non-Conservatives on this board are under any disillusion that Truss won't have a honeymoon and have invested accordingly. The question is how long will it last?
I've never been to Blenheim Palace. That's got to be interesting? An entire palace. UNESCO listed
Has any PB-er been? Is it impressive enough to placate a slightly snarky 16 year old?
I went there as an older teenager and enjoyed the day but mainly because it included a trip up the road to the village where my grandmother grew up as one daughter of 5 in a small cottage and the church where she married my grandfather not too many years after he was released from the pow camps. Village seemed like it hadn’t changed in those many decades.
Go for personal history. We’re all the stars of our own novel.
Yes, I was considering taking her to Hastings for the Abbey and battlefield - and her Great ggggggggggg father William Peverel who is, apparently, listed in the abbey as one of the knights who came over with The Bastard
I've never been to the battlefield or abbey
Worth a visit. I went last Summer. It is one of those places where you can feel the history.
Edit: if you do the SE then Canterbury Cathedral (Thomas Becket's murder location has that sense too) and Dover Castle are also good places to go.
I'm not entirely sure if this is VI intention or something else, anyway
About that Tory lead bet...
I don't think many non-Conservatives on this board are under any disillusion that Truss won't have a honeymoon and have invested accordingly. The question is how long will it last?
True, but I'm sure when she does get that bounce, people on here will be saying "HAHA, you silly lefites thought she wouldn't get a poll bounce!"
Niiigel, Nig-el Far-age, Everyone Loves Your Cords!
Niiigel, Ni-gel Far-age, Thanks For Stopping the Hordes!
Thar's what our smiling, rosy-cheeked children will sing, on this:
the Feast of Leave.
And Brexit Day shall ne'er go by, From this day to the ending of the world, But we in it shall be remembered, with our cheers We few, we happy few, we band of Brexiteers
Fewer and fewer...
In about 5 years barely anyone will admit to voting Remain. In ten years Remainers will be actively hunted for sport, and the last of them will have to hide in "Remoaner Holes", tiny little alcoves in big old houses in Richmond and Cambridge, as the hardcore Leavers smoke them out with dogs and guns and super laser drones which look like weird grey wasps, or maybe hornets
We're in the King Edward IV phase of Brexit at the moment.
The question is whether we get Queen Mary I next or a long Queen Elizabeth I reign who effectively settles it for good.
King Edward the 'IV'? Does that mean Dominic Cummings converts to being a remainer, helps install a Labour/LD coalition government, only for it to collapse after six months upon him getting ambushed by Boris Johnson (who takes office for a second period of time)?
I've never been to Blenheim Palace. That's got to be interesting? An entire palace. UNESCO listed
Has any PB-er been? Is it impressive enough to placate a slightly snarky 16 year old?
I went there as an older teenager and enjoyed the day but mainly because it included a trip up the road to the village where my grandmother grew up as one daughter of 5 in a small cottage and the church where she married my grandfather not too many years after he was released from the pow camps. Village seemed like it hadn’t changed in those many decades.
Go for personal history. We’re all the stars of our own novel.
Yes, I was considering taking her to Hastings for the Abbey and battlefield - and her Great ggggggggggg father William Peverel who is, apparently, listed in the abbey as one of the knights who came over with The Bastard
I've never been to the battlefield or abbey
Battle is nice but not what I really meant! I was talking more about personal history of a relative that she knows/knew or at most one generation removed from someone she met. I remember at 16 getting a thrill learning that the pub I took my then girlfriend to on a date was the self same pub my old man used to drink in with his mates on a Saturday night as a teenager. Hadn’t changed inside much at all, still had the same built in wooden benches. History comes in many forms.
Keir Starmer was brought up in Surrey by a toolmaker and a nurse, I know people are desperate for him to be some kind of ultra woke London elitist but he's really not.
I like him, but you have to admit he’s become part of the London metropolitan elite, surely?
This is a narrative created by the Conservative media. There was no greater London Metropolitan Elitist than Boris Johnson.
Does a Swaffham Elitist count?
I don't think Ms Truss had any connection to Swaffham until she was placed in the safe seat there.
I've never been to Blenheim Palace. That's got to be interesting? An entire palace. UNESCO listed
Has any PB-er been? Is it impressive enough to placate a slightly snarky 16 year old?
Yes I have been, it is very impressive, grander than Buckingham Palace with fantastic grounds plus Maze. It is the UK Versailles
Versailles, you say? In that REPUBLIC known as France?
Where Macron lives in the Elysee Palace yes
So if we do become a republic, we can still have palaces as tourist attractions?
He lives in a Palace, visitors can't visit the Elysee as much as they can Buckingham Palace and they don't have the royal wedding, jubille and coronation revenue we do
Paris is famous for having v few tourists since it got rid of it's monarchy.
Final comment on places to go with a bit of history. This is just a one off location but you can do it very easily on a day trip from London or if you on your way somewhere else and driving past - Bletchley Park. Modern history but they really bring it to life amazingly well. Thoroughly recommended.
I slightly preferred it before the injection of lottery cash, but well worth a visit
I'm not entirely sure if this is VI intention or something else, anyway
About that Tory lead bet...
I don't think many non-Conservatives on this board are under any disillusion that Truss won't have a honeymoon and have invested accordingly. The question is how long will it last?
I cannot make head or tail of that, nor of the post you are replying to. I doubt there will be much of a rally when Truss gets the gig though. Perhaps a brief blip if she trounces Sir Interesting at PMQs, which is quite possible.
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I get that those who want a complete change in direction, us to rejoin the Single Market etc, etc might not think this is a significant change - but Boris wasn't brought down because of policy failings. Well apart from his failure to stick to the manifesto on tax, which Truss is promising to fix.
Truss 31%
Sunak 29%
Undecided 32%
https://twitter.com/SavantaComRes/status/1553462935032401926?s=20&t=ddC2HfRSB945qEvTESNx3w
It’s plausible to think that we’ll also be past the peak in inflation as the last winter frosts thaw. Real question then will be what sort of growth environment do we exit into.
Can’t help but think those slating Truss’s chances do so from a position of either instinctive anti-Toryism or anti-Brexitism, rather than dispassionate calculation. Personally I can envisage a scenario where she surfs through a very difficult first 6 months with the electorate giving her the benefit of the doubt as a new leader, before she (fairly or otherwise) claims the peace dividend. A sensibly balanced Cabinet and she might far surpass Theresa May, and win a sufficiently reasonable majority that she outlasts not only Johnson’s tenure but Cameron’s too.
Feel free to remind me of this next autumn if TSE is right and there’s another leadership vote, but I (gentlemen’s) wager I’m more right than the most scathing predictions are.
https://gunpowderimmersive.com/
Seriously though, how do you think the Tories are going to survive the next two years of economic woe?
Good stuff at last from Liz
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/30/liz-truss-no-second-scottish-independence-referendum-watch/
You should stick to your principles man!
Has any PB-er been? Is it impressive enough to placate a slightly snarky 16 year old?
But of course there's always a risk that the actual winner is a fourth person.
PS - Wild Flor in Hove is a top class restaurant, and yes I do have a personal interest in it, but it really is superb.
It ranges from tiny Labour majority, to Labour largest party, to Tories largest party to small Tory majority.
Truss's best is repeating Cameron IMHO. The Red Wall looks to be mostly lost whatever happens.
How does Truss go down in the Blue Wall, does anyone know?
pow camps. Village seemed like it hadn’t changed in those many decades.
Go for personal history. We’re all the stars of our own novel.
It won't be a 1997 meltdown or anything like that but a small overall Labour majority is very likely IMO.
Con have had a good run but it will be time for a change in 2024/25.
1. Putin
2. Covid
3. Brexit
of which 1 and 2 are shit happens type events, 3 is actually the tories' fault but people recognise that they voted for it. Now, if SKS scored one hundredth of a Blair on the feelgood scale, that would be enough. But things is what they is, and he is such an ineffably dreary self righteous fuckwit that it really is all to play for. He has underperformed to a jaw dropping extent over Borisdammerung, how he will do against a female PM without a criminal record is anybody's guess.
Have you considered Stamford, Lincs.
Burleigh House is the finest Elizabeth England House in the country, the grounds are lovely, with deer wandering around. The whole town is an architectural gem. There are several good Georgian inns to stay in as it was the overnight stop between London and York. The water meadows are delightful
(That's before you even get to Dover Castle and the White Cliffs and the concrete sound mirrors.)
Or Portchester Castle and Fort Nelson on the hill above.
Or Selborne to see Gilbert White's house and a walk up the hanger (steep wooded brae sensu Weald).
He turned a 26 point deficit into a 10 point lead? Underperformed, really?
There's not a lot of competition to live up to?
Speaking of Roman history I went to Silchester for the first time a week ago. The actual "town" itself there is nothing really to see except fields and was pretty disappointing. However, the amphitheatre outside the town is fairly intact and you can feel the history. I'm sure many people must have died inside that arena and I felt a sense of that.
Also a +1 for Portchester. Some other places around the central South I think are worth the visit are:
- Old Sarum (original town just North of Salisbury)
- Corfe Castle, Isle of Purbeck (possibly the most inspiring castle in the country despite it being a ruin)
- Wareham. Quaint old town with beautiful pubs on the river and impressive ramparts around the town built by Alfred the Great
So does almost all the elite in politics and the media.
Starmer isn't special in that regard at all.
It isn't a good thing, mind, being as how it's very difficult to do your job and not live there.
#LizForLeader
lizforleader.co.uk
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1553485799307579392
She'd abolish housing targets. Well we never meet them anyway so I guess give up?
She'd make it easier to get a mortgage by using renter history, this was already coming in. Anything about the price of houses Liz, or how to save up whilst spending thousands on rent?
Anything on getting it easier to build FTTP, or masts? Nope
If Labour was doing this we'd be saying how empty a platform and vehicle they are.
(Blenheim is a bit meh btw.)
The town of Silchester itself is best seen in a dry summer - the town roads magically appear in the parched grass seen from the top of the walls. But yes, there is not a lot to see unless there are escavations going on, and the amphitheatre is the big bonus. I remember once camping just outside the Silchester amphitheatre as a student en route to a hike along the old Roman road to the east.
https://twitter.com/whazell/status/1553470164775084034
- York. Obviously - Jorvik etc.
- Durham, particularly the cathedral and stunning location of it
- Whitby Abbey (very haunting if you get it in the right weather)
- Hadrian's Wall (lots of very impressive locations)
- Holy Island
- Berwick
- Alnwick
She really is Johnson 2.0 if this is what she's offering.
Isn't this the sort of thing the Tories oppose, Government intervention?
Labour polls 37% against 38% for Truss
Labour polls 39% against 37% for Sunak
I'm not entirely sure if this is VI intention or something else, anyway
Does a Swaffham Elitist count?
But almost nowt is from my friends anymore. It's all algorithm driven. And adverts.
I'd give up if it wasn't for the dwindling numbers of my friends from HS and Uni still using it to communicate.
I don't believe it will last
I will be getting behind her, and advise colleagues in the Tory parliamentary party, and proud and committed campaigners in local constituency offices up and down the country, too, to get behind the northern candidate, the real conservative candidate, rather than a member of the globalised elite. and the iron lady who's Best for Britain.
On the way down you could drop off at one of the old witches covens in the ashdown forest if you can find it online.
I've never been to the battlefield or abbey
However sustaining it to win a majority at the next general election would be the bigger challenge, only Major in 1992 managed it
Edit: if you do the SE then Canterbury Cathedral (Thomas Becket's murder location has that sense too) and Dover Castle are also good places to go.
Does that mean Dominic Cummings converts to being a remainer, helps install a Labour/LD coalition government, only for it to collapse after six months upon him getting ambushed by Boris Johnson (who takes office for a second period of time)?
Betfair next prime minister
1.1 Liz Truss 91%
10.5 Rishi Sunak 10%
Next Conservative leader
1.1 Liz Truss 91%
10.5 Rishi Sunak 10%