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Dear Prime Minister, the trend is not your friend – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited July 31 in General
Dear Prime Minister, the trend is not your friend – politicalbetting.com

By 69% to 22%, Britons continue to think Boris Johnson should resign as PMTory voters are now split 46/46, however, having supported him going by 54% to 33% at the beginning of Julyhttps://t.co/CJw0fYpc57 pic.twitter.com/IdeGuIbxtO

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 102,795
    Nice.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 7,592
    By the time this goes up I’ll be third
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 7,592
    Oooh!
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 19,449

    Nice.

    Cap Ferrat.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 41,401
    DougSeal said:

    Oooh!

    And so you are.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 24,292

    Nice.

    I was momentarily wondering what sort of disease or syndrome has befallen the PM that the National Institute for Clinical Excellence should be involved.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 41,401
    Weren't we assured he was almost dead ?

    Biden tests negative, will end Covid isolation
    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/27/biden-tests-negative-will-end-covid-isolation-00048160
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 77,369
    edited July 27
    When your time is up, it's up. Have some dignity about it.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 28,584
    Nigelb said:

    Weren't we assured he was almost dead ?

    Biden tests negative, will end Covid isolation
    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/27/biden-tests-negative-will-end-covid-isolation-00048160

    That was before Covid wasn't it!
  • kle4 said:

    When your time is up, it's up. Have some dignity about it.

    That's no way to speak about the US President.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 41,401
    Carnyx said:

    Nice.

    I was momentarily wondering what sort of disease or syndrome has befallen the PM that the National Institute for Clinical Excellence should be involved.
    They would prescribe nemesis.
    https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/132/5/1396/354862
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 15,682
    Betfair next prime minister
    1.2 Liz Truss 83%
    6 Rishi Sunak 17%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.19 Liz Truss 84%
    6.2 Rishi Sunak 16%
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 7,592
    edited July 27
    Not a great sign for internal Tory dynamics or his successor that support for their resigned leader is growing amongst their voters
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 101,105
    edited July 27
    Though according to Deltapoll at the weekend, 33% of 2019 Tory voters still think Boris would make the best PM. That is compared to 26% who think Truss would make the best PM and 24% who think Sunak would make the best PM
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11042775/And-favourite-Boris-Grassroots-backlash-putsch-growing.html
  • DriverDriver Posts: 478
    DougSeal said:

    Not a great sign for internal Tory dynamics or his successor that support for their resigned leader is growing amongst their voters

    It isn't.

    Start of July: Pro-Boris by 54-33
    Now: Tied 46-46.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 28,119
    Nigelb said:

    Weren't we assured he was almost dead ?

    Biden tests negative, will end Covid isolation
    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/27/biden-tests-negative-will-end-covid-isolation-00048160

    That which is dead, can never die....
  • DriverDriver Posts: 478
    HYUFD said:

    Though according to Deltapoll at the weekend, 33% of 2019 Tory voters still think Boris would make the best PM. That is compared to 26% who think Truss would make the best PM and 24% who think Sunak would make the best PM
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11042775/And-favourite-Boris-Grassroots-backlash-putsch-growing.html

    Isn't that just the usual bias towards the incumbent?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 55,591
    A QC tweets:

    A very good explainer on the #AllisonBaileyWins case emphasising the consequences for employers & other organisations who implement so-called diversity schemes that don’t respect all the protected characteristics of the #EqualityAct.

    https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1552328425800699904?s=20&t=3SuGEi6DsYQ39rLoSrPqNw
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 77,369
    Driver said:

    HYUFD said:

    Though according to Deltapoll at the weekend, 33% of 2019 Tory voters still think Boris would make the best PM. That is compared to 26% who think Truss would make the best PM and 24% who think Sunak would make the best PM
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11042775/And-favourite-Boris-Grassroots-backlash-putsch-growing.html

    Isn't that just the usual bias towards the incumbent?
    Probably. And while they are attacking each other is not the best time for people to be confident about either Sunak or Truss.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 55,591
    Johnson will never match The Incredible Sulk - he won’t be around long enough…..
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 41,401
    edited July 27
    I like Wikipedia a lot, even donate to it, but their editorial policies leave something to be desired.

    How a prominent American composer lost his Wikipedia page—and got entangled in a Kafkaesque nightmare trying to get it back
    https://twitter.com/tedgioia/status/1552317962928984065

    Note, Gioia does still have his own Wikipedia entry
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Gioia
    And for those who enjoy trivia, had one of his compositions feature on Better Call Saul a week ago.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 478
    Nigelb said:

    I like Wikipedia a lot, even donate to it, but their editorial policies leave something to be desired.

    How a prominent American composer lost his Wikipedia page—and got entangled in a Kafkaesque nightmare trying to get it back
    https://twitter.com/tedgioia/status/1552317962928984065

    The biggest problem with Wikipedia is that it's run by the people who can devote lots of time to putting up with all the crap.
  • https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62325842

    Keir Starmer sacks shadow transport minister who backed rail strikes

    Yes, Keir Starmer is being advised by Blair
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 319
    edited July 27
    Daily Mail latest: Angela Rayner's strike backing boyfriend has been sacked from Shadow Cabinet.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 11,523
    Lol. I just saw on the last thread that "Don't call me Phil-cos-I'm-so-infamous-@BartholomewRoberts called me "thick".

    "Barty" has decided to take Malcolm's long held title of PB Psychological Projection Award. Barty calling someone else "thick"!! lol. You couldn't make it up. Your lack of intellect is something we realise you can't do much about Barty, but why not get some real life experience instead of spending night and day on here and you might actually have something useful to say. Otherwise fuck off dimwit.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 55,591
    Senior trade union source not mincing their words: “This moment demonstrates the end of the Labour Party. Not only is it against our principles, but it also demonstrates Keir’s inadequacy as a leader. He is, in the words of one of his better predecessors - weak, weak, weak.”

    https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1552331136336121857?s=20&t=3SuGEi6DsYQ39rLoSrPqNw
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 41,401
    Ferrari have a new slogan that the Tories should steal.

    'We are not the disaster people think we are'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/62286363
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 101,105
    Some good news for Sunak

    'Rishi Sunak is less unpopular than Liz Truss among those 2019 Tory voters the party is currently losing to Labour

    Sunak: -25 net favourability
    Truss: -45
    Johnson: -90'
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1552328071025500163?s=20&t=6S4yuxTcTIF5QBJUUn6o0g
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 479
    FPT - Nick Palmer - I think the former Penn swimmer, "Lia" Thomas, is a clear example of a man pretending to be a woman, for his advantage. And there are others. I am sorry to say that I have not seen serious discussions of all the "trans" questions in our mainstream media, so I don't know how important it is, nationally.

    And there are rare cases of individuals who are not clearly male or female, like those suffering from the androgen insensitvity syndrome. They deserve our tolerance and, if they need it, help of various kinds.

    But I don't believe in magic, and I do believe in the theory of evolution -- which is inconsistent with osme of he more extreme "trans" ideology.

    (As for the "distressed" jeans, what I have been seeing here in the last year of two is a bit different. The jeans are not worn all over, as if they were a really old pair, but instead have one or more holes in them, about 3 inches across.

    Incidentally, when distressed jeans became a thing years ago, manufacturing them sometimes caused significant damage to the environment. That was important enough to be desribed in one of Tony Hillerman's detective stories, though I forget which one.)
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 14,619

    Senior trade union source not mincing their words: “This moment demonstrates the end of the Labour Party. Not only is it against our principles, but it also demonstrates Keir’s inadequacy as a leader. He is, in the words of one of his better predecessors - weak, weak, weak.”

    https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1552331136336121857?s=20&t=3SuGEi6DsYQ39rLoSrPqNw

    How does sacking someone make him “weak, weak, weak”.

    I have sympathy with those wishing to support the strikers, but Tarry knew precisely what he was doing.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 41,401
    edited July 27
    HYUFD said:

    Some good news for Sunak

    'Rishi Sunak is less unpopular than Liz Truss among those 2019 Tory voters the party is currently losing to Labour

    Sunak: -25 net favourability
    Truss: -45
    Johnson: -90'
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1552328071025500163?s=20&t=6S4yuxTcTIF5QBJUUn6o0g

    Not great news for the Tories, though.
    And reinforces what TSE has in the header.
  • eekeek Posts: 20,284

    Senior trade union source not mincing their words: “This moment demonstrates the end of the Labour Party. Not only is it against our principles, but it also demonstrates Keir’s inadequacy as a leader. He is, in the words of one of his better predecessors - weak, weak, weak.”

    https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1552331136336121857?s=20&t=3SuGEi6DsYQ39rLoSrPqNw

    I think it's more - we don't want that person anywhere near a TV camera - he's going to say the wrong thing.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 1,911

    Senior trade union source not mincing their words: “This moment demonstrates the end of the Labour Party. Not only is it against our principles, but it also demonstrates Keir’s inadequacy as a leader. He is, in the words of one of his better predecessors - weak, weak, weak.”

    https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1552331136336121857?s=20&t=3SuGEi6DsYQ39rLoSrPqNw

    I’m starting to think that if Starmer stamps his authority on this stuff, he will become PM. For the Left, that will of course be another betrayal.

  • Senior trade union source not mincing their words: “This moment demonstrates the end of the Labour Party. Not only is it against our principles, but it also demonstrates Keir’s inadequacy as a leader. He is, in the words of one of his better predecessors - weak, weak, weak.”

    https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1552331136336121857?s=20&t=3SuGEi6DsYQ39rLoSrPqNw

    Bit of a bizarre quote.

    Summarily dismissing Tarry for doing what he was told not to do may be right or may be wrong... but it isn't "weak".

    Also, the "one of his better predecessors" in question is Tony Blair, who I have little doubt would agree with Starmer on this.
  • RH1992RH1992 Posts: 712
    edited July 27

    Senior trade union source not mincing their words: “This moment demonstrates the end of the Labour Party. Not only is it against our principles, but it also demonstrates Keir’s inadequacy as a leader. He is, in the words of one of his better predecessors - weak, weak, weak.”

    https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1552331136336121857?s=20&t=3SuGEi6DsYQ39rLoSrPqNw

    If it's an RMT official saying that, why should Labour listen to them? They got expelled 18 years ago and haven't supported Labour in any elections since.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 24,250
    What is this endless grey weather shit
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 16,957
    BBC headline: "Gas prices soar"

    Gosh. Have they doubled? Or at least gone up by a double-digit percentage?

    Actually... "gas prices rose almost 2%"

    Hyperbolic headline of the day.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 41,401

    Senior trade union source not mincing their words: “This moment demonstrates the end of the Labour Party. Not only is it against our principles, but it also demonstrates Keir’s inadequacy as a leader. He is, in the words of one of his better predecessors - weak, weak, weak.”

    https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1552331136336121857?s=20&t=3SuGEi6DsYQ39rLoSrPqNw

    Bit of a bizarre quote.

    Summarily dismissing Tarry for doing what he was told not to do may be right or may be wrong... but it isn't "weak".

    Also, the "one of his better predecessors" in question is Tony Blair, who I have little doubt would agree with Starmer on this.
    Also if the Labour Party is ended as they claim, why should they care about the adequacy of its leader ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 41,401
    Leon said:

    What is this endless grey weather shit

    You're back in Blighty, remember.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 4,821
    HYUFD said:

    Some good news for Sunak

    'Rishi Sunak is less unpopular than Liz Truss among those 2019 Tory voters the party is currently losing to Labour

    Sunak: -25 net favourability
    Truss: -45
    Johnson: -90'
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1552328071025500163?s=20&t=6S4yuxTcTIF5QBJUUn6o0g

    'Johnson -90' must be some sort of historical worst-ever poll result, surely? They've really gone off him, haven't they?
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,209
    HYUFD said:

    Some good news for Sunak

    'Rishi Sunak is less unpopular than Liz Truss among those 2019 Tory voters the party is currently losing to Labour

    Sunak: -25 net favourability
    Truss: -45
    Johnson: -90'
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1552328071025500163?s=20&t=6S4yuxTcTIF5QBJUUn6o0g

    How many voters are the tories losing to labour, actually?

    I thought the tories were losing because their voters are abstaining.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 24,250
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    What is this endless grey weather shit

    You're back in Blighty, remember.
    Yes. I remember now

    Jeez
  • Leon said:

    What is this endless grey weather shit

    I thought it wouldn't be long before you missed the glorious weather we were having.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 4,821
    What's surprising is that Sam Tarry was appointed to a junior shadow role in the first place, not that he's been sacked, given that he was quite a Corbynite, quite controversial, and, I think, a Momentum chap.

    Tarry's relationship with Angela Rayner could, however, make this tricky for Starmer - though she may of course agree with his decision.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 46,350
    Driver said:

    Nigelb said:

    I like Wikipedia a lot, even donate to it, but their editorial policies leave something to be desired.

    How a prominent American composer lost his Wikipedia page—and got entangled in a Kafkaesque nightmare trying to get it back
    https://twitter.com/tedgioia/status/1552317962928984065

    The biggest problem with Wikipedia is that it's run by the people who can devote lots of time to putting up with all the crap.
    I have a delicious anecdote about the creator of Wikipedia that I'm not sure I can share on the board.
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 1,174
    FPT - (Apologies, I have no idea how to copy across the formatting of old comments)

    Gardenwalker said:

    Did it happen before? Sure.
    Did it happen at such scale? No.

    I’ll repeat (and perhaps correct) the stat.

    Only 4 in 16 identified as cis and straight.

    --------------------------------------

    The plural of anecdote, alas, is not data.

    For the last 4-5 years I've worked at a university in outreach, working with dozens of schools across all age ranges; literally thousands of young people between the ages of about 10 - 18 have interacted with the team I'm in. We have spoken to 1 student who has identified themselves as trans.

    Young people are in the process of coming to terms with their identity - they will explore different things and consider what is available to them. We live in a society that is somewhat less strict in our acceptance and understanding of gender and sexuality than when even I was in school 15-20 odd years ago. So, yes, children will consider their identity. Some may socially transition, others may try puberty blockers. Some of those will decide they don't want to transition because, actually, that time of interest and self discovery showed them they are comfortable identifying with their assigned gender. That's fine - when I was 10 I knew I fancied girls, when I was 14 I was sure I was gay, when I was 16 I learned bisexuals existed and understood myself better.

    The moral panic, specifically around children, regarding transgender people is exactly the same as the ones against gays and lesbians in the 70s and 80s - painting people as deviant predators out to harm your children, or turn them gay as part of a gay agenda.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 77,369
    HYUFD said:

    Some good news for Sunak

    'Rishi Sunak is less unpopular than Liz Truss among those 2019 Tory voters the party is currently losing to Labour

    Sunak: -25 net favourability
    Truss: -45
    Johnson: -90'
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1552328071025500163?s=20&t=6S4yuxTcTIF5QBJUUn6o0g

    He has a hook at last!

    After he's already been knocked to the canvas twice.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 24,250

    Leon said:

    What is this endless grey weather shit

    I thought it wouldn't be long before you missed the glorious weather we were having.
    It wasn't glorious, at all. Not in London

    It was forty fucking degrees C. You literally could not go out

    And now it's a pathetic grey overcast 22C with a nagging breeze which makes it feel like 18C. Autumnal

    BOLLOCKS

    Meanwhile the forecast in Paris is endless sun and 30C. How can 200 miles make so much difference?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2988507
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 22,694
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    What is this endless grey weather shit

    You're back in Blighty, remember.
    Yes. I remember now

    Jeez
    Glorious weather in the Lakes right now.

    (Though sadly am heading to London right now for some work and also a social event this weekend.)
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 22,811
    rcs1000 said:

    Driver said:

    Nigelb said:

    I like Wikipedia a lot, even donate to it, but their editorial policies leave something to be desired.

    How a prominent American composer lost his Wikipedia page—and got entangled in a Kafkaesque nightmare trying to get it back
    https://twitter.com/tedgioia/status/1552317962928984065

    The biggest problem with Wikipedia is that it's run by the people who can devote lots of time to putting up with all the crap.
    I have a delicious anecdote about the creator of Wikipedia that I'm not sure I can share on the board.
    You could put it on his wiki page?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 101,105
    MISTY said:

    HYUFD said:

    Some good news for Sunak

    'Rishi Sunak is less unpopular than Liz Truss among those 2019 Tory voters the party is currently losing to Labour

    Sunak: -25 net favourability
    Truss: -45
    Johnson: -90'
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1552328071025500163?s=20&t=6S4yuxTcTIF5QBJUUn6o0g

    How many voters are the tories losing to labour, actually?

    I thought the tories were losing because their voters are abstaining.
    Amongst 2019 Tory voters uncertain who they will vote for it is:

    Sunak -12
    Truss -16
    Johnson -22

    Though Starmer is on -59 with them compared to +57 amongst 2019 Tory voters now backing Labour

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1552328071025500163?s=20&t=9RbN8B3awlRGN4J9vA4Y4g
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 15,682
    Leon said:

    What is this endless grey weather shit

    The weather is great. Not too hot; not too cold; not raining.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 77,369
    Leon said:

    What is this endless grey weather shit

    Great, isn't it? You get nostalgic for that uniform, filtered light sky.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 24,250
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    What is this endless grey weather shit

    Great, isn't it? You get nostalgic for that uniform, filtered light sky.
    As Bill Bryson said, living in Britain is like living in a Tupperware box. In the fridge
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 71,279
    Nigelb said:

    Weren't we assured he was almost dead ?

    Biden tests negative, will end Covid isolation
    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/27/biden-tests-negative-will-end-covid-isolation-00048160

    He's currently a bigger price than Rishi to get a second term.
    I'd suggest he's more likely to do so than a Rishi win
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 1,174
    Nigelb said:

    Senior trade union source not mincing their words: “This moment demonstrates the end of the Labour Party. Not only is it against our principles, but it also demonstrates Keir’s inadequacy as a leader. He is, in the words of one of his better predecessors - weak, weak, weak.”

    https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1552331136336121857?s=20&t=3SuGEi6DsYQ39rLoSrPqNw

    Bit of a bizarre quote.

    Summarily dismissing Tarry for doing what he was told not to do may be right or may be wrong... but it isn't "weak".

    Also, the "one of his better predecessors" in question is Tony Blair, who I have little doubt would agree with Starmer on this.
    Also if the Labour Party is ended as they claim, why should they care about the adequacy of its leader ?
    I don't know, the inability to allow a plethora of people in the shadow cabinet shows a brittleness of the ideology there, a weakness in that disagreement is not acceptable. Strength is not only in the ability to wield the hammer, but knowing when.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 22,811
    HYUFD said:

    MISTY said:

    HYUFD said:

    Some good news for Sunak

    'Rishi Sunak is less unpopular than Liz Truss among those 2019 Tory voters the party is currently losing to Labour

    Sunak: -25 net favourability
    Truss: -45
    Johnson: -90'
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1552328071025500163?s=20&t=6S4yuxTcTIF5QBJUUn6o0g

    How many voters are the tories losing to labour, actually?

    I thought the tories were losing because their voters are abstaining.
    Amongst 2019 Tory voters uncertain who they will vote for it is:

    Sunak -12
    Truss -16
    Johnson -22

    Though Starmer is on -59 with them compared to +57 amongst 2019 Tory voters now backing Labour

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1552328071025500163?s=20&t=9RbN8B3awlRGN4J9vA4Y4g
    So. Essentially, 2019 Tory voters who now hate Boris, and quite like Starmer, have decided to vote Labour?
    Not sure we needed YouGov to inform us of that.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 3,350

    BBC headline: "Gas prices soar"

    Gosh. Have they doubled? Or at least gone up by a double-digit percentage?

    Actually... "gas prices rose almost 2%"

    Hyperbolic headline of the day.

    In a similar vein, the electricity we bought from Belgium that was FIVE THOUSAND PER CENT higher price than usual.

    What's wrong with fifty times higher?

    If you want to make it sound big why fuck around with percentages? Go with basis points - FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND basis points higher. That's a proper fucking scary number.
  • HYUFD said:

    Some good news for Sunak

    'Rishi Sunak is less unpopular than Liz Truss among those 2019 Tory voters the party is currently losing to Labour

    Sunak: -25 net favourability
    Truss: -45
    Johnson: -90'
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1552328071025500163?s=20&t=6S4yuxTcTIF5QBJUUn6o0g

    Doesn’t really suggest Truss is going to win any seats back
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 50,432
    148grss said:

    Nigelb said:

    Senior trade union source not mincing their words: “This moment demonstrates the end of the Labour Party. Not only is it against our principles, but it also demonstrates Keir’s inadequacy as a leader. He is, in the words of one of his better predecessors - weak, weak, weak.”

    https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1552331136336121857?s=20&t=3SuGEi6DsYQ39rLoSrPqNw

    Bit of a bizarre quote.

    Summarily dismissing Tarry for doing what he was told not to do may be right or may be wrong... but it isn't "weak".

    Also, the "one of his better predecessors" in question is Tony Blair, who I have little doubt would agree with Starmer on this.
    Also if the Labour Party is ended as they claim, why should they care about the adequacy of its leader ?
    I don't know, the inability to allow a plethora of people in the shadow cabinet shows a brittleness of the ideology there, a weakness in that disagreement is not acceptable. Strength is not only in the ability to wield the hammer, but knowing when.
    There is a difference between having a different view, and breaching collective responsibility to express opposition to an agreed line in public.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 77,369

    BBC headline: "Gas prices soar"

    Gosh. Have they doubled? Or at least gone up by a double-digit percentage?

    Actually... "gas prices rose almost 2%"

    Hyperbolic headline of the day.

    Seriously? That's bloody stupid. 'Close to record highs' as elsewhere in the story would be more accurate.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 41,258

    HYUFD said:

    Some good news for Sunak

    'Rishi Sunak is less unpopular than Liz Truss among those 2019 Tory voters the party is currently losing to Labour

    Sunak: -25 net favourability
    Truss: -45
    Johnson: -90'
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1552328071025500163?s=20&t=6S4yuxTcTIF5QBJUUn6o0g

    Doesn’t really suggest Truss is going to win any seats back
    They haven't lost them yet.
  • HYUFD said:

    Some good news for Sunak

    'Rishi Sunak is less unpopular than Liz Truss among those 2019 Tory voters the party is currently losing to Labour

    Sunak: -25 net favourability
    Truss: -45
    Johnson: -90'
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1552328071025500163?s=20&t=6S4yuxTcTIF5QBJUUn6o0g

    Doesn’t really suggest Truss is going to win any seats back
    They haven't lost them yet.
    Doesn’t suggest she’s going to overturn Labour’s lead then. She’s starting off heavily in the red. Johnson has destroyed the Tories in the Red Wall
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 45,034

    Johnson will never match The Incredible Sulk - he won’t be around long enough…..

    There's no money in sulking.
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 1,174
    ydoethur said:

    148grss said:

    Nigelb said:

    Senior trade union source not mincing their words: “This moment demonstrates the end of the Labour Party. Not only is it against our principles, but it also demonstrates Keir’s inadequacy as a leader. He is, in the words of one of his better predecessors - weak, weak, weak.”

    https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1552331136336121857?s=20&t=3SuGEi6DsYQ39rLoSrPqNw

    Bit of a bizarre quote.

    Summarily dismissing Tarry for doing what he was told not to do may be right or may be wrong... but it isn't "weak".

    Also, the "one of his better predecessors" in question is Tony Blair, who I have little doubt would agree with Starmer on this.
    Also if the Labour Party is ended as they claim, why should they care about the adequacy of its leader ?
    I don't know, the inability to allow a plethora of people in the shadow cabinet shows a brittleness of the ideology there, a weakness in that disagreement is not acceptable. Strength is not only in the ability to wield the hammer, but knowing when.
    There is a difference between having a different view, and breaching collective responsibility to express opposition to an agreed line in public.
    Sure, but demanding that line be followed is, itself, a form of weakness. You would think Starmer would like to be associated with the unions at the moment - Mick Lynch seems to be popular with the public and the strikes aren't massively unpopular - a third strongly in favour, a third strongly oppose, a third neutral. And Labour members and their typical base of younger people are more in favour of them than any other group.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 3,350
    According to Owen Jones, Keir Starmer supporters are "the most tedious and ridiculous Waitrose customers"

    Burn
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 52,691
    Lovelock.

    RIP.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 30,796
    James Lovelock has died, aged 103.

    RIP. I remember unofficially learning about his Gaia theory in a geography lesson in school...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62322575
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 77,369

    James Lovelock has died, aged 103.

    RIP. I remember unofficially learning about his Gaia theory in a geography lesson in school...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62322575

    ...his support for nuclear energy and for fracking attracted criticism from other environmentalists.

    No room for nuance in climate science I guess.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 24,292

    Johnson will never match The Incredible Sulk - he won’t be around long enough…..

    There's no money in sulking.
    But there is in writing his stuff for the Speccy and going back on HIGNFY. If they have him.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 4,510

    According to Owen Jones, Keir Starmer supporters are "the most tedious and ridiculous Waitrose customers"

    Burn

    The amusing part is that this complaint relies on the complainer's and the target audience's also being Waitrose customers.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 55,591
    Conservatives tearing themselves apart.

    Labour “Hold my beer”

    If you see Keir Starmer out and about, call him what he is - a conman and a liar - and film it.

    Enough of letting our politicians getting away with this grotesque level of dishonesty.


    https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/1552345276077277186?s=21&t=9i154HFpWLmrsk_KKnkSXA
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 52,691
    kle4 said:

    James Lovelock has died, aged 103.

    RIP. I remember unofficially learning about his Gaia theory in a geography lesson in school...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-62322575

    ...his support for nuclear energy and for fracking attracted criticism from other environmentalists.

    No room for nuance in climate science I guess.
    I think he said something along the lines that nuke was so relatively safe he would happily have one at the bottom of his garden in exchange for free energy.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 10,516
    edited July 27
    Evening all :)

    The fact Sam Tarry is in a relationship with Angela Rayner is of course entirely immaterial to everyone except the Daily Mail - I suspect Rayner is going to be subject to even more negative and vitriolic coverage if it seems likely she will become a significant part of the next non-Conservative Government, which of course Messrs Sunak and Truss are doing their best to facilitate.

    Interesting to read the vox pops on the strike today - of course, plenty of awful stories with people not able to get to work, attend funerals and the like for which of course one can only sympathise. It also seems those queuing at Orpington this morning were fairly supportive of the strikers.

    Truss is of course hoping to build on anti-strike and anti-union feeling to justify her planned curtailing of people's rights. Apparently the line from the Right is "people are allowed to strike if it doesn't disrupt anything, inconvenience everyone or anyone notices".

    Wind up and close down the Conservative Party - no one will notice.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 52,691

    According to Owen Jones, Keir Starmer supporters are "the most tedious and ridiculous Waitrose customers"

    Burn

    I see Owen is busy "taking the fight to the Tories" as ever.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 52,691

    Johnson will never match The Incredible Sulk - he won’t be around long enough…..

    There's no money in sulking.
    LOL.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 52,691

    Leon said:

    What is this endless grey weather shit

    The weather is great. Not too hot; not too cold; not raining.
    Give me this any day over 38 degrees.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 16,848

    Conservatives tearing themselves apart.

    Labour “Hold my beer”

    If you see Keir Starmer out and about, call him what he is - a conman and a liar - and film it.

    Enough of letting our politicians getting away with this grotesque level of dishonesty.


    https://twitter.com/owenjones84/status/1552345276077277186?s=21&t=9i154HFpWLmrsk_KKnkSXA

    Don't worry yourself Carlotta, it's only Owen Jones. Nothing to see, move along.

    But what of Sam Tarry you say?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 10,516
    Back on topic.

    I said once Johnson had dedicated his whole life and career to becoming Prime Minister. The unfortunate truth was consequences meant the job he expected and wanted wasn't what was on offer. He won the election but ran straight into a global pandemic which changed everything.

    Instead of inculcating the nation with post-Brexit optimism, he was faced with the awful (for him) prospect of shutting us all in our homes and suspending normal life and frivolity.

    The thing for which he dreamt was in reality a nightmare and now he will live his life in the past tense. Some Conservatives may want him back (not surprising considering the choices on offer as his successor) but there's no mood in the country for him at present and it's hard to see how he could return. Would he want to be leader of a much reduced Parliamentary Party facing a triumphant Starmer? I suspect not - in truth the next Conservative leader after Truss (or Sunak) is probably Kemi Badenoch but whether she will end up the Hague de nos jours remains to be seen.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 19,449

    Leon said:

    What is this endless grey weather shit

    The weather is great. Not too hot; not too cold; not raining.
    Give me this any day over 38 degrees.

    A sentiment reversible by punctuation

    Give me this: any day over 38 degrees.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 6,539
    Matt Ridley on the Wuhan market hypothesis
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/has-the-lab-leak-theory-really-been-disproved-
    Anyone seen Matt and Leon in the same room?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 33,521
    edited July 27

    According to Owen Jones, Keir Starmer supporters are "the most tedious and ridiculous Waitrose customers"

    Burn

    Starmer has supporters?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 3,350
    This appears a peculiar message to the team..

    Marie Chantrait
    @mchantrait
    A des jeunes sportifs au lycée français de Cotonou, Emmanuel Macron souhaite bonne chance aux Bleues en demi-finale ce soir « Jai une pensee pour les joueuses de l’équipe de 🇫🇷 et je leur dis merde » cc @TF1Info

    To young athletes at the French high school in Cotonou, Emmanuel Macron wishes Les Bleues good luck in the semi-finals tonight “I have a thought for the players of the 🇫🇷 team and I tell them shit” cc @TF1Info

    https://twitter.com/mchantrait/status/1552352534173458432
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 6,539
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    What is this endless grey weather shit

    The weather is great. Not too hot; not too cold; not raining.
    Give me this any day over 38 degrees.

    A sentiment reversible by punctuation

    Give me this: any day over 38 degrees.
    best be punctilious about punctuation then

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 19,449

    This appears a peculiar message to the team..

    Marie Chantrait
    @mchantrait
    A des jeunes sportifs au lycée français de Cotonou, Emmanuel Macron souhaite bonne chance aux Bleues en demi-finale ce soir « Jai une pensee pour les joueuses de l’équipe de 🇫🇷 et je leur dis merde » cc @TF1Info

    To young athletes at the French high school in Cotonou, Emmanuel Macron wishes Les Bleues good luck in the semi-finals tonight “I have a thought for the players of the 🇫🇷 team and I tell them shit” cc @TF1Info

    https://twitter.com/mchantrait/status/1552352534173458432

    In this context it means "Break a leg."
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,146
    Leon said:

    What is this endless grey weather shit

    Um. One week ago we had the towering inferno.

    Is there any weather state we won't whinge about?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 6,539
    Foxy said:

    According to Owen Jones, Keir Starmer supporters are "the most tedious and ridiculous Waitrose customers"

    Burn

    Starmer has supporters?
    Surely Truss's are better

  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 9,127
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    The fact Sam Tarry is in a relationship with Angela Rayner is of course entirely immaterial to everyone except the Daily Mail - I suspect Rayner is going to be subject to even more negative and vitriolic coverage if it seems likely she will become a significant part of the next non-Conservative Government, which of course Messrs Sunak and Truss are doing their best to facilitate.

    Interesting to read the vox pops on the strike today - of course, plenty of awful stories with people not able to get to work, attend funerals and the like for which of course one can only sympathise. It also seems those queuing at Orpington this morning were fairly supportive of the strikers.

    Truss is of course hoping to build on anti-strike and anti-union feeling to justify her planned curtailing of people's rights. Apparently the line from the Right is "people are allowed to strike if it doesn't disrupt anything, inconvenience everyone or anyone notices".

    Wind up and close down the Conservative Party - no one will notice.

    I have personally witnessed support for the strikers in the most unexpected places. If the Tories are hoping these strikes will play well for them I think they are going to be disappointed.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,146
    HYUFD said:

    MISTY said:

    HYUFD said:

    Some good news for Sunak

    'Rishi Sunak is less unpopular than Liz Truss among those 2019 Tory voters the party is currently losing to Labour

    Sunak: -25 net favourability
    Truss: -45
    Johnson: -90'
    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1552328071025500163?s=20&t=6S4yuxTcTIF5QBJUUn6o0g

    How many voters are the tories losing to labour, actually?

    I thought the tories were losing because their voters are abstaining.
    Amongst 2019 Tory voters uncertain who they will vote for it is:

    Sunak -12
    Truss -16
    Johnson -22

    Though Starmer is on -59 with them compared to +57 amongst 2019 Tory voters now backing Labour

    https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1552328071025500163?s=20&t=9RbN8B3awlRGN4J9vA4Y4g
    What's the sample size of 2019 Tory voters now backing Labour relative to 2019 Tory voters?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 33,521

    Leon said:

    What is this endless grey weather shit

    Um. One week ago we had the towering inferno.

    Is there any weather state we won't whinge about?
    It seems @Leon is not patriotic enough to actually want to be here.

    Britain's weather has always been variable and unpredictable. I rather like it that way.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 6,286
    With Johnson the image that springs to mind is that of a moody toddler in his high chair at the dinner table.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 14,619

    According to Owen Jones, Keir Starmer supporters are "the most tedious and ridiculous Waitrose customers"

    Burn

    Owen Jones became famous for writing a book about class warfare and name calling.

    He seems to have been driven mad by his flirtation with Corbynism.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 46,146
    rcs1000 said:

    Driver said:

    Nigelb said:

    I like Wikipedia a lot, even donate to it, but their editorial policies leave something to be desired.

    How a prominent American composer lost his Wikipedia page—and got entangled in a Kafkaesque nightmare trying to get it back
    https://twitter.com/tedgioia/status/1552317962928984065

    The biggest problem with Wikipedia is that it's run by the people who can devote lots of time to putting up with all the crap.
    I have a delicious anecdote about the creator of Wikipedia that I'm not sure I can share on the board.
    I wish I'd done something half-salacious in my life so people could tell secret delicious anecdotes about me.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 14,619
    edited July 27
    Starmer is scraping the barnacles of all the stuff that might prevent Labour winning the next election or deter from his core message which is going to be “growth”.

    I might regret the fact that Labour are no longer promising to nationalise the water utilities, but it’s also true to say it’s not the number one priority for the next government.
  • According to Owen Jones, Keir Starmer supporters are "the most tedious and ridiculous Waitrose customers"

    Burn

    Owen Jones became famous for writing a book about class warfare and name calling.

    He seems to have been driven mad by his flirtation with Corbynism.
    Owen Jones called for Corbyn to resign in 2017. He was right.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 14,619

    According to Owen Jones, Keir Starmer supporters are "the most tedious and ridiculous Waitrose customers"

    Burn

    Owen Jones became famous for writing a book about class warfare and name calling.

    He seems to have been driven mad by his flirtation with Corbynism.
    Owen Jones called for Corbyn to resign in 2017. He was right.
    Yes, and then he cravenly fell in with the Corbyn crowd.

    Owen lives in Islington, not far from a Waitrose which is very likely his preferred supermarket.
  • TazTaz Posts: 5,427

    According to Owen Jones, Keir Starmer supporters are "the most tedious and ridiculous Waitrose customers"

    Burn

    Owen Jones became famous for writing a book about class warfare and name calling.

    He seems to have been driven mad by his flirtation with Corbynism.
    Owen Jones called for Corbyn to resign in 2017. He was right.
    He’s a weathervane.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 14,619

    rcs1000 said:

    Driver said:

    Nigelb said:

    I like Wikipedia a lot, even donate to it, but their editorial policies leave something to be desired.

    How a prominent American composer lost his Wikipedia page—and got entangled in a Kafkaesque nightmare trying to get it back
    https://twitter.com/tedgioia/status/1552317962928984065

    The biggest problem with Wikipedia is that it's run by the people who can devote lots of time to putting up with all the crap.
    I have a delicious anecdote about the creator of Wikipedia that I'm not sure I can share on the board.
    I wish I'd done something half-salacious in my life so people could tell secret delicious anecdotes about me.
    I heard that you shag flags.
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