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  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,109
    There does not seem to be much in the Sunday papers, although Team Truss will no doubt be crawling over Rishi's ten point plan on immigration so they can shoot it down in the debates and hustings.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,852
    tyson said:

    We have had the fucking Tories now for 12 years......even calling them Tory scum is much too positive a description...they have caused bloody mayhem from every conceivable orifice...

    I am sure I've posted this before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANirM3s2JpQ

    But this is a great series if you want to understand more about New Labour. I fundamentally feel that under New Labour Britain was a country very much at ease with itself, we have lost that now, things seem a lot more nasty and divided.

    I try to not look back at that time romantically but I do recall how good the NHS was then and how terrible it is now, as an example.

    Welcome back.

    How’s the exploiting of the renter class going?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,852
    edited July 2022

    kyf_100 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Apparently a lot of European countries are relying on us to send them more gas than usual because of the Ukraine situation.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/22/national-grid-emergency-bid-pump-gas-europe/


    We didn’t vote to send them more gas than usual

    We voted to leave!
    Bluntly, we will need that gas ourselves. The UK consumes approximately 1.5x more gas than it produces, therefore there is not going to be any to spare if the Russians decide to turn off the lights in Europe.

    Solar panels, diesel generators and big fluffy blankets at the ready this winter...
    Bluntly, it makes sense for us to send them that gas now.

    We have more gas than we need now coming in, but not much in the way of storage, they do have storage. We can send them electricity via as now, which they can use now. We can get energy off them in the winter from storage in return.

    The more we send now, the more they can store now, ensuring everyone's storage is full this winter will help.

    Its all interconnected.
    You really believe they will send it back?

    My poor, sweet, innocent child
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 70,649

    ping said:

    Thing is, the Chorleywood process (and other innovations in recent decades) is wot means you can buy a loaf of reasonably nutritious bread in the supermarket for under 50p, sometimes as little as 25p. We’ve made incredible advancements. And, despite me doing a reasonable amount of research on it, I just can’t see the problem. Sure, your 25p loaf (and, well, any loaf under about £2.50) has chemicals and preservatives in it, but there isn’t any evidence that they cause health problems.

    As Tim Minchin once screamed during his comedy routine, “EVERYTHING IS CHEMICALS!”

    That said, there is a bit of a labelling problem. I’m trying to shift over to rye bread and most of the loaves which advertise themselves as “rye bread” are, basically, regular wheat bread with a token amount of rye. The worst offender I almost bought had 3% rye, the rest white flour.

    So, yeah, the telegraph (and these specialist bakers) do have a point.

    Rich peoples problems, though!
    When did batons stop being called French sticks or French loaves?
    They needed to change the name to make a hit over here.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 17,455

    kyf_100 said:

    Foxy said:

    kyf_100 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Apparently a lot of European countries are relying on us to send them more gas than usual because of the Ukraine situation.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/07/22/national-grid-emergency-bid-pump-gas-europe/


    We didn’t vote to send them more gas than usual

    We voted to leave!
    Bluntly, we will need that gas ourselves. The UK consumes approximately 1.5x more gas than it produces, therefore there is not going to be any to spare if the Russians decide to turn off the lights in Europe.

    Solar panels, diesel generators and big fluffy blankets at the ready this winter...
    I ordered my multi-fuel stove today, so can burn the furniture if needed. Perhaps eat the children too.
    Nuclear. The only option if we want energy security + low emissions. France has obviously done this quite well, hence why they are better prepared than most of us and experiencing lower inflation.

    A little too early for the stove-top models, but the neglect of the nuclear industry by the west (often at the behest of the green lobby) has brought us to where we are now.
    The problem with nuclear is its normally much more expensive than alternatives. So sure they're having lower inflation now, but that's because they were already paying much more than us. We've gone from cheaper to more expensive, but after this crisis has passed we'll be cheaper again.

    The question is do you want reliably expensive all the time, or typically cheaper but sometimes expensive?

    Wind + storage may be cheaper than nuclear. Or tidal may. Or it may not, but we shouldn't do one thing just because it sounds good, we should go for whatever works best.
    We should do a mix of things because predicting the future is hard and diversity in supply provides an additional bonus in responding to changing circumstances.
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