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imageWallace might top ConHome’s list but he’s still a relative unknown – politicalbetting.com

it is a measure of how precarious the prime minister’s position is seen to be that so much attention today is being paid the latest ConHome survey on possible leadership contenders.

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  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,417
    First unlike the Tories
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    Yes, I'm not 100% I could pick him out of a lineup in fairness. Is he charismatic, a deep thinker, a maverick?

    You don't need to be any of those things, being seen as naturally authoritative or serious can be enough in the right circumstances, but there's a chance the lesser known cannot sustain themselves once they get more attention.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,435
    I think I was the first person on here to tip Wallace, but I think he - like Mordaunt - are really just a black screen upon which Tories can project their fantasies.

    Wallace seems sound but is essentially a grey man, and Mordaunt comes across as flakey with her rather odd pronouncements on trade.

    Judging by the ConHome polling, I’d now say Zarhawi is the one to watch.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,097
    Fourth, like Hunt
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Gardenwalker said:

    I think I was the first person on here to tip Wallace, but I think he - like Mordaunt - are really just a black screen upon which Tories can project their fantasies.

    Wallace seems sound but is essentially a grey man, and Mordaunt comes across as flakey with her rather odd pronouncements on trade.

    Judging by the ConHome polling, I’d now say Zarhawi is the one to watch.

    Is this really a poll? Or an ice cream survey? Or something in between?

    Focus group might make more sense, albeit yielding fewer clicks and links.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,027
    Evening all :)

    None of this matters - the only electorate of importance in the initial stages of any leadership is or are Conservative MPs. Conservative members don't get to determine which final two candidates go to the membership - the MPs do.

    Wallace has to get into the final two - it's hard to imagine the holders of the three other offices of State, Sunak, Truss and Patel meekly stepping aside. The other option is one of them gets Wallace on side perhaps with an offer of Chancellor or Foreign Secretary in the next Government.

    That leaves Wallace with the possibility of becoming LOTO if the Conservatives lose power at the next GE.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,996
    Gardenwalker said:

    I think I was the first person on here to tip Wallace, but I think he - like Mordaunt - are really just a black screen upon which Tories can project their fantasies.

    Wallace seems sound but is essentially a grey man, and Mordaunt comes across as flakey with her rather odd pronouncements on trade.

    Judging by the ConHome polling, I’d now say Zarhawi is the one to watch.

    Zahawi is very impressive.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    pigeon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Akron Police fired more bullets at Jayland Walker than English police have fired since the Bush administration
    https://twitter.com/Beschizza/status/1544016118704128000

    A helpful reminder that, despite both the rock bottom reputation of some British police forces, and the violence that undoubtedly exists in wider society, both could be an awful, awful lot worse.
    Our police let us down by their competence, through poor procedures and lack of understanding or appreciation for investigative practice, professional standards, rights and the law. (for the moment we'll bypass where politicians have contributed to this).

    But beyond what are genuinely rare instances, even awful people are usually at least safe from them.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    Gardenwalker said:

    I think I was the first person on here to tip Wallace, but I think he - like Mordaunt - are really just a black screen upon which Tories can project their fantasies.

    Wallace seems sound but is essentially a grey man, and Mordaunt comes across as flakey with her rather odd pronouncements on trade.

    Judging by the ConHome polling, I’d now say Zarhawi is the one to watch.

    I'd have been less worried by Zahawi but he has in the last 6 months or so shown a regrettable eagerness to peddle some truly stupid No. 10 lines. Probably just trying to demonstrate loyalty, but he's been particularly shameless with some.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,088
    Over the last few months if I am remembering correctly only a handful of possibles have consistency of support + at least of scintilla of electability.

    Sunak comes and goes along with the rise and fall of free money; Wallace rises as the war rhetoric rises and will fall ditto. Truss and Baker are unappointable in any circumstances.

    Those with a mix of consistency, stability, not apparently insane and could make the Tory party a better place remain Tugendhat, Mordaunt and Hunt. Mordaunt is in the government which may well and should be a disqualification (why didn't she resign when she knew like the rest of us that they were unfit to govern?).

    Hunt and Tugendhat remain.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    Ben who?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,719
    Won't the contest come down to the ERG's preferred candidate versus not the ERG's candidate, with the ERG's candidate winning because they will be more to the liking of the loony tunes membership? I don't imagine Wallace will be the ERG's candidate so I can't see him winning. And he's bald.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,322
    Casino_Royale said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    I think I was the first person on here to tip Wallace, but I think he - like Mordaunt - are really just a black screen upon which Tories can project their fantasies.

    Wallace seems sound but is essentially a grey man, and Mordaunt comes across as flakey with her rather odd pronouncements on trade.

    Judging by the ConHome polling, I’d now say Zarhawi is the one to watch.

    Zahawi is very impressive.
    Zarhawi had a good pandemic, and the poetry thing shows a willingness to get down'n'dirty politically. But what would he do with the job? Isn't he just as much a blank screen as Mordaunt or Wallace from that point of view?

    All of which probably suits the incumbent Conservative leader just fine.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,719
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    None of this matters - the only electorate of importance in the initial stages of any leadership is or are Conservative MPs. Conservative members don't get to determine which final two candidates go to the membership - the MPs do.

    Wallace has to get into the final two - it's hard to imagine the holders of the three other offices of State, Sunak, Truss and Patel meekly stepping aside. The other option is one of them gets Wallace on side perhaps with an offer of Chancellor or Foreign Secretary in the next Government.

    That leaves Wallace with the possibility of becoming LOTO if the Conservatives lose power at the next GE.

    This poll matters if Tory MPs think it matters. It shows potential supporters of Sunak that he loses against every other final two candidate polled, except Hunt. Not much point supporting Sunak if he's doomed to lose to Truss in the membership vote.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    edited July 2022
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Won't the contest come down to the ERG's preferred candidate versus not the ERG's candidate, with the ERG's candidate winning because they will be more to the liking of the loony tunes membership? I don't imagine Wallace will be the ERG's candidate so I can't see him winning. And he's bald.

    I thought that the "best hair" parameter only applied to US Presidential candidates of equal height?

    Admittedly, if Boris was bald he would look like Matt Lucas (has anyone ever seen them both in the same room at the same time? It would explain a lot)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    edited July 2022
    OnlyLivingBoy said:

    Won't the contest come down to the ERG's preferred candidate versus not the ERG's candidate, with the ERG's candidate winning because they will be more to the liking of the loony tunes membership? I don't imagine Wallace will be the ERG's candidate so I can't see him winning. And he's bald.

    Memberships can change their tune in a pretty quick period. Starmer was not the Corbynite candidate during his leadership contest (even if he hardly repudiated him at the time), but they went with him nonetheless. Now the membership doesn't seem hugely passionate about Keir, but they back him by and large, when he is quite far from the Corbyn days they mostly loved.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Re: Centinje, believe the sight I would be most interested in seeing is

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cetinje_Monastery
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,743
    kle4 said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    I think I was the first person on here to tip Wallace, but I think he - like Mordaunt - are really just a black screen upon which Tories can project their fantasies.

    Wallace seems sound but is essentially a grey man, and Mordaunt comes across as flakey with her rather odd pronouncements on trade.

    Judging by the ConHome polling, I’d now say Zarhawi is the one to watch.

    I'd have been less worried by Zahawi but he has in the last 6 months or so shown a regrettable eagerness to peddle some truly stupid No. 10 lines. Probably just trying to demonstrate loyalty, but he's been particularly shameless with some.
    Education bill did not go down well, I gather.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,590
    edited July 2022
    kle4 said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    I think I was the first person on here to tip Wallace, but I think he - like Mordaunt - are really just a black screen upon which Tories can project their fantasies.

    Wallace seems sound but is essentially a grey man, and Mordaunt comes across as flakey with her rather odd pronouncements on trade.

    Judging by the ConHome polling, I’d now say Zarhawi is the one to watch.

    I'd have been less worried by Zahawi but he has in the last 6 months or so shown a regrettable eagerness to peddle some truly stupid No. 10 lines. Probably just trying to demonstrate loyalty, but he's been particularly shameless with some.
    This is true but are there BJ cabinet members who have not besmirched themselves thus?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,742
    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    Theuniondivvie said:

    kle4 said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    I think I was the first person on here to tip Wallace, but I think he - like Mordaunt - are really just a black screen upon which Tories can project their fantasies.

    Wallace seems sound but is essentially a grey man, and Mordaunt comes across as flakey with her rather odd pronouncements on trade.

    Judging by the ConHome polling, I’d now say Zarhawi is the one to watch.

    I'd have been less worried by Zahawi but he has in the last 6 months or so shown a regrettable eagerness to peddle some truly stupid No. 10 lines. Probably just trying to demonstrate loyalty, but he's been particularly shameless with some.
    This is true but have there BJ cabinet members who have not besmirched themselves thus?
    No, that's part of the job after all, but he could do a better job of selling me a shit sandwich if he is insistent on trying.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,157
    Hunt at least has a programme. He wants to improve the NHS by eliminating avoidable deaths. That should please both the NHS is wonderful and NHS is terrible wings of the party. I'd not be writing him off just yet.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,870
    I don’t even know what a Kemi Badenoch IS

    I mean, I genuinely don’t know if that is a male or a female

    The Tories don’t bat deep, do they?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited July 2022
    BlancheLivermore said:

    My new house just has a tiny little yard with a high wall, and anything on the ground only gets about four hours sun a day.

    So I put a big metal shelf unit by wall and made a sky garden. It’s going rather well. I’ve already had six mini cucumbers off the middle plant, and there are at least thirty coming through.

    All three of the of the tomatoes have loads of flowers and green fruits growing. The pepper plant (bottom right) is struggling in the dark, but looks like it might be about to break into the light.

    Great idea. And shelf even matches the wall, or at least isn't clashing.

    BTW, that's the first clothes pin I've seen being used (for intended purpose anyway) for a LONG time.

    Rare in 21st-century USA. Which is nuts re: climate change.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    edited July 2022
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    Hunt at least has a programme. He wants to improve the NHS by eliminating avoidable deaths. That should please both the NHS is wonderful and NHS is terrible wings of the party. I'd not be writing him off just yet.

    People don't like admitting they made a mistake*, even if they come to think they have indeed made one. Ditching Boris and replacing him with NotHunt would acknowledge a mistake without admitting it so clearly as replacing him with the guy they could have chosen would. Deniability.

    *in their defence in terms of winning a Brexit election so much it was not necessarily a mistake in that regard.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited July 2022
    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    edited July 2022
    Leon said:

    I don’t even know what a Kemi Badenoch IS

    I mean, I genuinely don’t know if that is a male or a female

    The Tories don’t bat deep, do they?

    Minister of State. Surprised you've not heard of her, she's won plaudits in various circles for criticising wokeness and identity politics.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10621429/Equalities-Minister-launches-broadside-woke-warriors-brand-British-institutions-racist.html
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1365759/Kemi-Badenoch-news-Equality-minister-school-curriculum-reform-campaign-history-vn
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,743
    edited July 2022
    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    It's not Supermac that Ms Truss is cosplaying. Look a bit closer to our times.

    https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20220210/281505049633395

    PS Not sure what more she could do apart from getting her husband to write a column in Private Eye.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,458
    Diary of Boris Johnson-
    Mon: He didn’t know
    Tues: He was aware but not the substance
    Wed: He knew substance, but not the seriousness
    Thurs: He knew seriousness, but on balance decided they were only allegations
    Fri: Carrie knew all along
    Sat: Dozens of his MPs lied for him, again

    https://twitter.com/nazirafzal/status/1544018917403889668
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,996
    edited July 2022
    Leon said:

    I don’t even know what a Kemi Badenoch IS

    I mean, I genuinely don’t know if that is a male or a female

    The Tories don’t bat deep, do they?

    She's very anti-Woke, and rather good, so you should like her?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,511
    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    BlancheLivermore said:

    My new house just has a tiny little yard with a high wall, and anything on the ground only gets about four hours sun a day.

    So I put a big metal shelf unit by wall and made a sky garden. It’s going rather well. I’ve already had six mini cucumbers off the middle plant, and there are at least thirty coming through.

    All three of the of the tomatoes have loads of flowers and green fruits growing. The pepper plant (bottom right) is struggling in the dark, but looks like it might be about to break into the light.

    Great idea. And shelf even matches the wall, or at least isn't clashing.

    BTW, that's the first clothes pin I've seen being used (for intended purpose anyway) for a LONG time.

    Rare in 21st-century USA. Which is nuts re: climate change.
    I check the weather before I put my washing on
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,256
    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,458
    kle4 said:

    I'd have been less worried by Zahawi but he has in the last 6 months or so shown a regrettable eagerness to peddle some truly stupid No. 10 lines. Probably just trying to demonstrate loyalty, but he's been particularly shameless with some.

    No, Zahawi is a true believer.

    He hosted BoZo on his bus tour during the campaign.

    He consoled Nads tears when BoZo crashed and burned the first time.

    If any of them will go the mattresses for BoZo, he is first in line.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,743
    BlancheLivermore said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    BlancheLivermore said:

    My new house just has a tiny little yard with a high wall, and anything on the ground only gets about four hours sun a day.

    So I put a big metal shelf unit by wall and made a sky garden. It’s going rather well. I’ve already had six mini cucumbers off the middle plant, and there are at least thirty coming through.

    All three of the of the tomatoes have loads of flowers and green fruits growing. The pepper plant (bottom right) is struggling in the dark, but looks like it might be about to break into the light.

    Great idea. And shelf even matches the wall, or at least isn't clashing.

    BTW, that's the first clothes pin I've seen being used (for intended purpose anyway) for a LONG time.

    Rare in 21st-century USA. Which is nuts re: climate change.
    I check the weather before I put my washing on
    Us too. The weather radar on the Met website is wonderful.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    I don’t even know what a Kemi Badenoch IS

    I mean, I genuinely don’t know if that is a male or a female

    The Tories don’t bat deep, do they?

    Minister of State. Surprised you've not heard of her, she's won plaudits in various circles for criticising wokeness and identity politics.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10621429/Equalities-Minister-launches-broadside-woke-warriors-brand-British-institutions-racist.html
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1365759/Kemi-Badenoch-news-Equality-minister-school-curriculum-reform-campaign-history-vn
    This is the woman with the 70 point plan? No micro-managing there then.... :D:D
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,322
    Leon said:

    I don’t even know what a Kemi Badenoch IS

    I mean, I genuinely don’t know if that is a male or a female

    The Tories don’t bat deep, do they?

    It is rather like sending your opening batsmen to the crease only for them to find, the moment the first balls are bowled, that their bats have been broken before the game by the team captain.

    The current captain has happily run out his partners- Geoff Boycott only much more selfish.

    And yet, the huge takeaway from the polling is that ConHome really really don't want Hunt, who is the only one who isn't tainted by association with this madness. I understand why (nobody wants to admit they screwed up) but gosh it's depressing.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,144
    If you watched the latest episode of Stranger Things they rightly conclude pineapple doesn't belong on pizza.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,458
    Stuartinromford said:

    And yet, the huge takeaway from the polling is that ConHome really really don't want Hunt, who is the only one who isn't tainted by association with this madness. I understand why (nobody wants to admit they screwed up) but gosh it's depressing.

    Is ConHome only frequented by people who still think BoZo is the man though?

    Is it actually representative of the voting members?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Carnyx said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    It's not Supermac that Ms Truss is cosplaying. Look a bit closer to our times.

    https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20220210/281505049633395

    PS Not sure what more she could do apart from getting her husband to write a column in Private Eye.
    Personally think Liz's hat is much closer to Mac's than Maggie's. Except for color

    https://www.alamy.com/feb-02-1959-mr-macmillan-in-moscow-photo-shows-mr-harold-macmillan-image69357054.html

    IIRC in his diaries, Macmillan says that he acquired his hat during a pre-WW2 trip to Soviet Union. And took great delight in upstaging K & other Ruski muckety-mucks with his magnificent model.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,458
    You have to hand it to the Government - they are excellent at solving imaginary problems. https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1544038640132800515
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,870
    BlancheLivermore said:

    My new house just has a tiny little yard with a high wall, and anything on the ground only gets about four hours sun a day.

    So I put a big metal shelf unit by wall and made a sky garden. It’s going rather well. I’ve already had six mini cucumbers off the middle plant, and there are at least thirty coming through.

    All three of the of the tomatoes have loads of flowers and green fruits growing. The pepper plant (bottom right) is struggling in the dark, but looks like it might be about to break into the light.

    Big gardens are a pain to maintain, anyway
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,743
    Scott_xP said:

    You have to hand it to the Government - they are excellent at solving imaginary problems. https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1544038640132800515

    I like this comment -

    "At this point, I'm sure many of us would happily live on Goering Street if the mortgage and utilities were affordable"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    Scott_xP said:

    You have to hand it to the Government - they are excellent at solving imaginary problems. https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1544038640132800515

    From the image, I would vote to change the name of my street from Black Boy Lane. Not because it's woke to do so, but because it sounds stupid.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,458
    NEW - Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB 43% (+2)
    CON 35% (+1)
    LD 11% (+1)
    SNP 3% (-1)
    GRN 2% (-1)
    OTH 5% (-2)

    1,017 UK adults aged 18+ online, 27th June '22. Changes w/ June 17th ‘22 https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1544043321089204224/photo/1
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,870
    Casino_Royale said:

    Leon said:

    I don’t even know what a Kemi Badenoch IS

    I mean, I genuinely don’t know if that is a male or a female

    The Tories don’t bat deep, do they?

    She's very anti-Woke, and rather good, so you should like her?
    OK I like her
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,458
    While just one poll, Labour's 43% showing is the highest we've seen for the party since Jan this year. This is an insufficient lead over the Conservatives on 35% to be assured of an overall majority were an election called, but Labour would be comfortably the largest party. https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1544043326164176896/photo/1
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,144
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    You have to hand it to the Government - they are excellent at solving imaginary problems. https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1544038640132800515

    From the image, I would vote to change the name of my street from Black Boy Lane. Not because it's woke to do so, but because it sounds stupid.
    I see Black Boy Lane and raise you this street not far from me.

    Deadman's Hole Lane

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/history/how-deadmans-hole-lane-name-23567045
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
    As a habitual hat wearer, am constantly testing boundaries - mine and others.

    Last hot, sunny day in Seattle (a distant memory now) broke out my pith helmet (with genuine pith or reasonable substitute) soaked it in cold war, and went forth into the (urban) jungles and (suburban) deserts of North Seattle bravely imitating intrepid Captain Spaulding.

    Kept my fool head cool AND drew zero nasty comments. At least that I heard!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,458
    Boris Johnson’s net favourability rating has made new lows (-32%), while about as many voters approve of Keir Starmer as disapprove, which, while nothing to celebrate, puts him 30 points ahead of the PM on this measure. https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1544043925832335361/photo/1
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,256
    Gardenwalker said:

    I think I was the first person on here to tip Wallace, but I think he - like Mordaunt - are really just a black screen upon which Tories can project their fantasies.

    Wallace seems sound but is essentially a grey man, and Mordaunt comes across as flakey with her rather odd pronouncements on trade.

    Judging by the ConHome polling, I’d now say Zarhawi is the one to watch.

    Can you point me in the direction of her flaky pronouncements? The only sustained criticism I've seen levelled at her was from posters like Dura who hates the bones of the Tory party. And his criticisms were flaccid to say the least.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    edited July 2022
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    You have to hand it to the Government - they are excellent at solving imaginary problems. https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1544038640132800515

    From the image, I would vote to change the name of my street from Black Boy Lane. Not because it's woke to do so, but because it sounds stupid.
    I see Black Boy Lane and raise you this street not far from me.

    Deadman's Hole Lane

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/history/how-deadmans-hole-lane-name-23567045
    I raise you.... err... maybe that is not the best phrasing.....

    image
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,256
    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
    Well, ostrich feathers are not for everyone, so you were right to be cautious.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,144
    Beibheirli_C said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    You have to hand it to the Government - they are excellent at solving imaginary problems. https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1544038640132800515

    From the image, I would vote to change the name of my street from Black Boy Lane. Not because it's woke to do so, but because it sounds stupid.
    I see Black Boy Lane and raise you this street not far from me.

    Deadman's Hole Lane

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/history/how-deadmans-hole-lane-name-23567045
    I raise you.... err... maybe that is not the best phrasing.....

    image
    Nah, I've been up far too many back passages, I've never been up a Deadman's hole.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
    Surely not? I have quite a few hats and I love wearing them.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,322
    Scott_xP said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    And yet, the huge takeaway from the polling is that ConHome really really don't want Hunt, who is the only one who isn't tainted by association with this madness. I understand why (nobody wants to admit they screwed up) but gosh it's depressing.

    Is ConHome only frequented by people who still think BoZo is the man though?

    Is it actually representative of the voting members?
    They don't like Boris;

    https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/04/cabinet-league-table-johnson-and-sunak-in-negative-ratings-as-all-cabinet-members-scores-fall-except-wallaces/

    But I suspect they dislike Boris from the other side to the rest of the country.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,256
    ...
    Stuartinromford said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    And yet, the huge takeaway from the polling is that ConHome really really don't want Hunt, who is the only one who isn't tainted by association with this madness. I understand why (nobody wants to admit they screwed up) but gosh it's depressing.

    Is ConHome only frequented by people who still think BoZo is the man though?

    Is it actually representative of the voting members?
    They don't like Boris;

    https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/04/cabinet-league-table-johnson-and-sunak-in-negative-ratings-as-all-cabinet-members-scores-fall-except-wallaces/

    But I suspect they dislike Boris from the other side to the rest of the country.
    He has united Britain! Brexiters and Remainers, hand in hand.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,458
    Chris Pincher was reported for being drunk in the Commons on Tuesday afternoon - 24 hours before his alleged groping incident - but nothing was done, a senior Tory MP tells me tonight. https://twitter.com/TheNewsDesk/status/1544027505195188224
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,478
    Scott_xP said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    And yet, the huge takeaway from the polling is that ConHome really really don't want Hunt, who is the only one who isn't tainted by association with this madness. I understand why (nobody wants to admit they screwed up) but gosh it's depressing.

    Is ConHome only frequented by people who still think BoZo is the man though?

    Is it actually representative of the voting members?
    Bonkers as they are, the ConHome panels do seem to predict leadership contests reasonably reliably.

    What a dispiriting bunch of candidates, with Hunt the best of a feeble bunch keen to feed us on Culture War rather than address any of the real issues of the country.

    Not that Starmer's timid utterings are any better.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,458
    This is explosive on two grounds. Carrie knew, but Boris didn’t? But also, where did this correspondence come from? Because if it came from Carrie’s allies, then there’s a whole storm of trouble heading Boris’s way.
    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1544044512242196481
    https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1544023060608606210
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,478
    Beibheirli_C said:

    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
    Surely not? I have quite a few hats and I love wearing them.
    Yes, I often wear one, protecting from both sun and rain.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    You have to hand it to the Government - they are excellent at solving imaginary problems. https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1544038640132800515

    From the image, I would vote to change the name of my street from Black Boy Lane. Not because it's woke to do so, but because it sounds stupid.
    I see Black Boy Lane and raise you this street not far from me.

    Deadman's Hole Lane

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/history/how-deadmans-hole-lane-name-23567045
    I raise you.... err... maybe that is not the best phrasing.....

    image
    Nah, I've been up far too many back passages, I've never been up a Deadman's hole.
    :open_mouth:
    image
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,313
    Scott_xP said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    And yet, the huge takeaway from the polling is that ConHome really really don't want Hunt, who is the only one who isn't tainted by association with this madness. I understand why (nobody wants to admit they screwed up) but gosh it's depressing.

    Is ConHome only frequented by people who still think BoZo is the man though?

    Is it actually representative of the voting members?
    Johnson is bottom of the cabinet rankings on -21.1 which says it all really

    Conhome is a barometer of members opinions but even I take part and I am not a member
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
    Well, ostrich feathers are not for everyone, so you were right to be cautious.
    Feathers itch. Boas are the biggest fashion disappointment I have ever had. They look so nice but they are so uncomfortable!
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,088
    edited July 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    While just one poll, Labour's 43% showing is the highest we've seen for the party since Jan this year. This is an insufficient lead over the Conservatives on 35% to be assured of an overall majority were an election called, but Labour would be comfortably the largest party. https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1544043326164176896/photo/1

    The chances of a lab overall majority are more or less Zero. There are three big reasons:
    1) Maths
    2) The Tories are unlikely to be this bad all the time (though Major's lot set a standard in this towards which they may be aspiring, perhaps as a result of a dare)
    3) Policy. Because of Brexit it isn't possible for Labour to set out a stall of real policy difference, ie an ideological platform to win by inspiring. They don't dare take a pro EU line. This is understandable. So they have no choice but to take a line on the biggest issue of the day - UK/EU relations which everyone knows Labour don't really believe or support. and most voters don't believe or support it either. They just think we are stuck.

    As a result Labour plan to win by being less bad than the other lot, not by conviction politics. This does not make for ideological excitement. Nor is it the stuff of landslides.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,743
    Scott_xP said:

    This is explosive on two grounds. Carrie knew, but Boris didn’t? But also, where did this correspondence come from? Because if it came from Carrie’s allies, then there’s a whole storm of trouble heading Boris’s way.
    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1544044512242196481
    https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1544023060608606210

    Compare and contrast the verb tenses (... and is a Whip a ministerial appointment anyway?).

    'While communications director at CCHQ in 2017, Mrs Johnson (then Ms Symonds) questioned how Mr Pincher had ever ended up in the whips' office in correspondence seen by Sky News.

    [...]

    A Number 10 spokesperson said: "Mrs Johnson is a private individual and has no role in ministerial appointments."'
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,195
    Is Carrie briefing against Johnson? Hodges is wondering tonight.

    Could go supernova shortly.

    There is not enough popcorn on planet.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,144
    rottenborough said:

    Is Carrie briefing against Johnson? Hodges is wondering tonight.

    Could go supernova shortly.

    There is not enough popcorn on planet.

    It's all going a bit Game of Thrones.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,743
    rottenborough said:

    Is Carrie briefing against Johnson? Hodges is wondering tonight.

    Could go supernova shortly.

    There is not enough popcorn on planet.

    YOu'd need a supernova to toast sufficient anyway.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,195
    Casino_Royale said:

    Leon said:

    I don’t even know what a Kemi Badenoch IS

    I mean, I genuinely don’t know if that is a male or a female

    The Tories don’t bat deep, do they?

    She's very anti-Woke, and rather good, so you should like her?
    If she’s related to this chap, she could be a force to be reckoned with.
    https://www.scotsman.com/whats-on/arts-and-entertainment/wolf-badenoch-scotlands-vilest-man-647369
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,217
    edited July 2022
    Survation is interesting. 43 is a very powerful score and with greens on 2 which is perhaps more realistic than the fantasy 8% type results and might be nearer the truth. However its also the second poll today with a more solid Con 35 score. A couple points swingback from there and its deep into chaotically hung territory.
    LabGrLD 56 so low end progressive team score.

    Edit - also the second to show SNP down on 3. I'm unconvinced. Not yet seen any evidence the SNP 45 plus position is crumbling.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Beibheirli_C said:

    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
    Surely not? I have quite a few hats and I love wearing them.
    Believe this is one area where there is a gender difference. Traditional yet also modern.

    Women can get away - with others and even more importantly with themselves - wearing any damn thing on their heads.

    For example, those utterly hideous "fascinators" - ugh.

    Have some hats I like and which others clearly do also, via spontaneous comments from total strangers. Best being from Black people, who is USA are THE true hat aficianados.

    Other hats I like, and others not so much.

    My favorite hats for this time of year, are naturally-air conditioned wide-brimmed Australian jobs where the sides are plastic mesh. Genius! Particularly for naturally hot-headed free-sweating folks like myself. Also good for sticking interesting lapel pins on, esp. as I no longer where coats with lapels.

    For winter wear, favorites are Tyrolean loden-felt hats, light, water-resistant and stylish. Women in particular seem to like them, always a plus (though too rarely enough to balance the minuses). Though have been warned that in Italy they brand you as a fascist? And not considered chic in their homeland, unless you are have a nearby landed estate OR are in an ompah band?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,719
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW - Westminster Voting Intention:

    LAB 43% (+2)
    CON 35% (+1)
    LD 11% (+1)
    SNP 3% (-1)
    GRN 2% (-1)
    OTH 5% (-2)

    1,017 UK adults aged 18+ online, 27th June '22. Changes w/ June 17th ‘22 https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1544043321089204224/photo/1

    48-31 lead for Labour among women, 39-39 level among men.

    54-25 lead for the Tories in over 65s, +37 compared to the population as a whole.

    Tories 41-36 up for household income between £20k and £40k. Long way behind for lower and higher household incomes.

    Roughly equal numbers of 2019 Tory voters say they will now vote Labour as say they don't know. A sign that Labour are making some progress in winning people over.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,256
    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:

    This is explosive on two grounds. Carrie knew, but Boris didn’t? But also, where did this correspondence come from? Because if it came from Carrie’s allies, then there’s a whole storm of trouble heading Boris’s way.
    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1544044512242196481
    https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1544023060608606210

    Compare and contrast the verb tenses (... and is a Whip a ministerial appointment anyway?).

    'While communications director at CCHQ in 2017, Mrs Johnson (then Ms Symonds) questioned how Mr Pincher had ever ended up in the whips' office in correspondence seen by Sky News.

    [...]

    A Number 10 spokesperson said: "Mrs Johnson is a private individual and has no role in ministerial appointments."'
    But when they did work together, face to face conversations between them would have been rare.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,743
    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
    Surely not? I have quite a few hats and I love wearing them.
    Believe this is one area where there is a gender difference. Traditional yet also modern.

    Women can get away - with others and even more importantly with themselves - wearing any damn thing on their heads.

    For example, those utterly hideous "fascinators" - ugh.

    Have some hats I like and which others clearly do also, via spontaneous comments from total strangers. Best being from Black people, who is USA are THE true hat aficianados.

    Other hats I like, and others not so much.

    My favorite hats for this time of year, are naturally-air conditioned wide-brimmed Australian jobs where the sides are plastic mesh. Genius! Particularly for naturally hot-headed free-sweating folks like myself. Also good for sticking interesting lapel pins on, esp. as I no longer where coats with lapels.

    For winter wear, favorites are Tyrolean loden-felt hats, light, water-resistant and stylish. Women in particular seem to like them, always a plus (though too rarely enough to balance the minuses). Though have been warned that in Italy they brand you as a fascist? And not considered chic in their homeland, unless you are have a nearby landed estate OR are in an ompah band?
    I burn in the sun. I go for Irish fishermens' tweed hats in the winter myself. But in summer, either cricket hat or Australian (kangaroo felt or cloth wider brim) too.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Stuartinromford said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Stuartinromford said:

    And yet, the huge takeaway from the polling is that ConHome really really don't want Hunt, who is the only one who isn't tainted by association with this madness. I understand why (nobody wants to admit they screwed up) but gosh it's depressing.

    Is ConHome only frequented by people who still think BoZo is the man though?

    Is it actually representative of the voting members?
    They don't like Boris;

    https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/04/cabinet-league-table-johnson-and-sunak-in-negative-ratings-as-all-cabinet-members-scores-fall-except-wallaces/

    But I suspect they dislike Boris from the other side to the rest of the country.
    Making your side look bad, that's plenty reason for disliking a politico. Esp. for fellow politicos & apparatchiks.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    Scott_xP said:

    You have to hand it to the Government - they are excellent at solving imaginary problems. https://twitter.com/Tony_Diver/status/1544038640132800515

    And creating or amplifying real ones.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,256
    Carnyx said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
    Surely not? I have quite a few hats and I love wearing them.
    Believe this is one area where there is a gender difference. Traditional yet also modern.

    Women can get away - with others and even more importantly with themselves - wearing any damn thing on their heads.

    For example, those utterly hideous "fascinators" - ugh.

    Have some hats I like and which others clearly do also, via spontaneous comments from total strangers. Best being from Black people, who is USA are THE true hat aficianados.

    Other hats I like, and others not so much.

    My favorite hats for this time of year, are naturally-air conditioned wide-brimmed Australian jobs where the sides are plastic mesh. Genius! Particularly for naturally hot-headed free-sweating folks like myself. Also good for sticking interesting lapel pins on, esp. as I no longer where coats with lapels.

    For winter wear, favorites are Tyrolean loden-felt hats, light, water-resistant and stylish. Women in particular seem to like them, always a plus (though too rarely enough to balance the minuses). Though have been warned that in Italy they brand you as a fascist? And not considered chic in their homeland, unless you are have a nearby landed estate OR are in an ompah band?
    I burn in the sun. I go for Irish fishermens' tweed hats in the winter myself. But in summer, either cricket hat or Australian (kangaroo felt or cloth wider brim) too.
    That must irritate the Irish fishermen.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,743
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Carnyx said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
    Surely not? I have quite a few hats and I love wearing them.
    Believe this is one area where there is a gender difference. Traditional yet also modern.

    Women can get away - with others and even more importantly with themselves - wearing any damn thing on their heads.

    For example, those utterly hideous "fascinators" - ugh.

    Have some hats I like and which others clearly do also, via spontaneous comments from total strangers. Best being from Black people, who is USA are THE true hat aficianados.

    Other hats I like, and others not so much.

    My favorite hats for this time of year, are naturally-air conditioned wide-brimmed Australian jobs where the sides are plastic mesh. Genius! Particularly for naturally hot-headed free-sweating folks like myself. Also good for sticking interesting lapel pins on, esp. as I no longer where coats with lapels.

    For winter wear, favorites are Tyrolean loden-felt hats, light, water-resistant and stylish. Women in particular seem to like them, always a plus (though too rarely enough to balance the minuses). Though have been warned that in Italy they brand you as a fascist? And not considered chic in their homeland, unless you are have a nearby landed estate OR are in an ompah band?
    I burn in the sun. I go for Irish fishermens' tweed hats in the winter myself. But in summer, either cricket hat or Australian (kangaroo felt or cloth wider brim) too.
    That must irritate the Irish fishermen.
    I get to them before they put flies in them!
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
    Surely not? I have quite a few hats and I love wearing them.
    Believe this is one area where there is a gender difference. Traditional yet also modern.

    Women can get away - with others and even more importantly with themselves - wearing any damn thing on their heads.

    For example, those utterly hideous "fascinators" - ugh.

    [snip!]
    Fascinators are not hideous, well, most of them are not :D I have a lovely straw hat for summer and the weather so far has been a huge disappointment to me :disappointed:
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,742
    Carnyx said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Carnyx said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
    Surely not? I have quite a few hats and I love wearing them.
    Believe this is one area where there is a gender difference. Traditional yet also modern.

    Women can get away - with others and even more importantly with themselves - wearing any damn thing on their heads.

    For example, those utterly hideous "fascinators" - ugh.

    Have some hats I like and which others clearly do also, via spontaneous comments from total strangers. Best being from Black people, who is USA are THE true hat aficianados.

    Other hats I like, and others not so much.

    My favorite hats for this time of year, are naturally-air conditioned wide-brimmed Australian jobs where the sides are plastic mesh. Genius! Particularly for naturally hot-headed free-sweating folks like myself. Also good for sticking interesting lapel pins on, esp. as I no longer where coats with lapels.

    For winter wear, favorites are Tyrolean loden-felt hats, light, water-resistant and stylish. Women in particular seem to like them, always a plus (though too rarely enough to balance the minuses). Though have been warned that in Italy they brand you as a fascist? And not considered chic in their homeland, unless you are have a nearby landed estate OR are in an ompah band?
    I burn in the sun. I go for Irish fishermens' tweed hats in the winter myself. But in summer, either cricket hat or Australian
    (kangaroo felt or cloth wider brim) too.
    That must irritate the Irish fishermen.
    I get to them before they put flies in them!
    As Chris Pincher said before they invented the trouser zip.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,478
    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    While just one poll, Labour's 43% showing is the highest we've seen for the party since Jan this year. This is an insufficient lead over the Conservatives on 35% to be assured of an overall majority were an election called, but Labour would be comfortably the largest party. https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1544043326164176896/photo/1

    The chances of a lab overall majority are more or less Zero. There are three big reasons:
    1) Maths
    2) The Tories are unlikely to be this bad all the time (though Major's lot set a standard in this towards which they may be aspiring, perhaps as a result of a dare)
    3) Policy. Because of Brexit it isn't possible for Labour to set out a stall of real policy difference, ie an ideological platform to win by inspiring. They don't dare take a pro EU line. This is understandable. So they have no choice but to take a line on the biggest issue of the day - UK/EU relations which everyone knows Labour don't really believe or support. and most voters don't believe or support it either. They just think we are stuck.

    As a result Labour plan to win by being less bad than the other lot, not by conviction politics. This does not make for ideological excitement. Nor is it the stuff of landslides.
    I agree, the timidity over Labour's policy direction, which rightly or wrongly is believed by few, is not the way to majority.

    Possibly though Starmer would prefer a minority government.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,719
    1-in-8 Euros received in tax by the Irish government is paid by 10 multinational companies.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,323
    edited July 2022
    Why would Wallace suffer because he is less well known with the public? The public don't get a say in who the next Tory leader and PM is if Boris goes, only Tory members do. Tory members do know who Wallace is.

    As today's ConHome survey suggests Tory members also have decided Wallace is their man. Wallace beats
    Truss 51% to 33%, Hunt 72% to 14%, Sunak 59% to 25% and Mordaunt 54% to 30% in today's survey in head to heads. Wallace is now clearly frontrunner and as Defence Secretary his keeping his head down and getting on with the job re Ukraine, not engaging in internal party squabbling and representing traditional Tory values has gone down well

    https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/04/next-tory-leader-play-offs-ninth-jeremy-hunt/

    https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/04/next-tory-leader-play-offs-sixth-rishi-sunak/

    https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/04/next-tory-leader-play-offs-third-liz-truss/

    https://conservativehome.com/2022/07/04/next-tory-leader-play-offs-first-ben-wallace-second-penny-mordaunt/


  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,217
    Survation fieldwork is a week old, somewhat disappointingly
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Wiki-

    The Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasury is a senior ministerial position in the British Government. However, the office is now attached to the Treasury in name only; the holder is typically also the Chief Whip of the House of Commons.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_Secretary_to_the_Treasury

    Press release
    Ministerial appointment: 1 July 2022
    Kelly Tolhurst MP is appointed Treasurer of HM Household (Deputy Chief Whip).

    From:
    Prime Minister's Office, 10 Downing Street
    Published 1 July 2022

    The Queen has been pleased to approve the appointment of Kelly Tolhurst MP as Treasurer of HM Household (Deputy Chief Whip)

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ministerial-appointment-1-july-2022#:~:text=Kelly Tolhurst MP is appointed,Household (Deputy Chief Whip).&text=The Queen has been pleased,Household (Deputy Chief Whip).
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,247
    Beibheirli_C said:

    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
    Surely not? I have quite a few hats and I love wearing them.
    Where are all the former milleners? Ever seen footage of an old football match? Hats as far as the eye can see.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,088
    Foxy said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
    Surely not? I have quite a few hats and I love wearing them.
    Yes, I often wear one, protecting from both sun and rain.
    Yes. Hugely under rated. One sort is great for sun and rain. Another sort fantastic for warmth in wind and cold. Kind old ladies knit them for third world mariners. A third sort is just the thing for Ascot and when you have the urge to wear a gardenia in the button hole of your morning coat while shopping in Lidl.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,730
    Carnyx said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Carnyx said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
    Surely not? I have quite a few hats and I love wearing them.
    Believe this is one area where there is a gender difference. Traditional yet also modern.

    Women can get away - with others and even more importantly with themselves - wearing any damn thing on their heads.

    For example, those utterly hideous "fascinators" - ugh.

    Have some hats I like and which others clearly do also, via spontaneous comments from total strangers. Best being from Black people, who is USA are THE true hat aficianados.

    Other hats I like, and others not so much.

    My favorite hats for this time of year, are naturally-air conditioned wide-brimmed Australian jobs where the sides are plastic mesh. Genius! Particularly for naturally hot-headed free-sweating folks like myself. Also good for sticking interesting lapel pins on, esp. as I no longer where coats with lapels.

    For winter wear, favorites are Tyrolean loden-felt hats, light, water-resistant and stylish. Women in particular seem to like them, always a plus (though too rarely enough to balance the minuses). Though have been warned that in Italy they brand you as a fascist? And not considered chic in their homeland, unless you are have a nearby landed estate OR are in an ompah band?
    I burn in the sun. I go for Irish fishermens' tweed hats in the winter myself. But in summer, either cricket hat or Australian (kangaroo felt or cloth wider brim) too.
    That must irritate the Irish fishermen.
    I get to them before they put flies in them!
    You must move with a bit of zip.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    Meanwhile in other news, my mother is now spending over half her pension each month on gas and electric
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    LostPassword said:

    1-in-8 Euros received in tax by the Irish government is paid by 10 multinational companies.

    Not the tax dodging ones I assume?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Beibheirli_C said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
    Surely not? I have quite a few hats and I love wearing them.
    Believe this is one area where there is a gender difference. Traditional yet also modern.

    Women can get away - with others and even more importantly with themselves - wearing any damn thing on their heads.

    For example, those utterly hideous "fascinators" - ugh.

    [snip!]
    Fascinators are not hideous, well, most of them are not :D I have a lovely straw hat for summer and the weather so far has been a huge disappointment to me :disappointed:
    Hoping you get a nice sunny spell soon for you & your straw. And willing to stipulate, sight unseen, that you look smashing in it. OR even a freaking fascinator, though would still deplore waste of a good head (aka nature's hat rack).
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,742
    kle4 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
    Surely not? I have quite a few hats and I love wearing them.
    Where are all the former milleners? Ever
    seen footage of an old football match? Hats as far as the eye can see.
    It’s a good question, Chris Tarrant even did a programme about trying to revive the industry, “Who wants to be a milliner” I think it was called.

  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,192
    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Beibheirli_C said:

    kle4 said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    NickPalmer said:

    I've been catching up with Designated Survivor on Netflix - this discussion is getting a bit like that, with the most unknown person catapulted into the leadership. I think the Tories may feel they need someone they've seen a fair amount of and know, faults and all. Which might mean Hunt vs Truss.

    Truss at least inherited Harold Macmillan's old Russian fur hat. Surely a sign?
    Yes, a sign of being a prize tit.
    In these fervently anti-hat times it takes courage to plonk one on your head and risk looking a wally. It took me weeks after buying my first one to wear it in public, so I appaud her boldness if not its execution.
    Surely not? I have quite a few hats and I love wearing them.
    Believe this is one area where there is a gender difference. Traditional yet also modern.

    Women can get away - with others and even more importantly with themselves - wearing any damn thing on their heads.

    For example, those utterly hideous "fascinators" - ugh.

    [snip!]
    Fascinators are not hideous, well, most of them are not :D I have a lovely straw hat for summer and the weather so far has been a huge disappointment to me :disappointed:
    Hoping you get a nice sunny spell soon for you & your straw. And willing to stipulate, sight unseen, that you look smashing in it. OR even a freaking fascinator, though would still deplore waste of a good head (aka nature's hat rack).
    Thank you :smile:
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,730
    SeaShantyIrish2 said:

    Wiki-

    The Parliamentary Secretary to the Treasury is a senior ministerial position in the British Government. However, the office is now attached to the Treasury in name only; the holder is typically also the Chief Whip of the House of Commons.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_Secretary_to_the_Treasury

    Press release
    Ministerial appointment: 1 July 2022
    Kelly Tolhurst MP is appointed Treasurer of HM Household (Deputy Chief Whip).

    From:
    Prime Minister's Office, 10 Downing Street
    Published 1 July 2022

    The Queen has been pleased to approve the appointment of Kelly Tolhurst MP as Treasurer of HM Household (Deputy Chief Whip)

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ministerial-appointment-1-july-2022#:~:text=Kelly Tolhurst MP is appointed,Household (Deputy Chief Whip).&text=The Queen has been pleased,Household (Deputy Chief Whip).

    Was that the sound of a barrel being scraped?
  • glwglw Posts: 10,474
    rottenborough said:

    Is Carrie briefing against Johnson? Hodges is wondering tonight.

    Could go supernova shortly.

    There is not enough popcorn on planet.

    Why would she do that?
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