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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,094

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:
    CMI calculates 122,400 excess deaths in the UK since the start of the pandemic. The total has increased by 2,000 in 2022.

    Cumulative mortality rates YTD are 0.1% of a full year’s mortality worse than 2019. 2/3 https://t.co/0oikxlDC9C



    I think that there is a limit to how far back one can safely compare when looking at excess deaths, as population ageing effects start to intrude.

    The problem of Omicron is more one of morbidity than mortality, lengthening hospital stay, etc.


    Deaths running nearly 20% above normal now as shown by latest ons figures not that gps are interested, they are still in hiding
    Largely a recording effect from the prolonged Bank Holiday.

    This is an interesting piece of work looking at the excess million deaths from covid in the USA, in particular the higher mortality in the young and middle aged.

    https://covidactuaries.org/2022/06/20/excess-mortality-in-the-usa/
    FFS - have we got another ignoring-reporting-effects clown?

    {picks up baseball bat and a handful of rust nails…}

    Sir Malmesbury, your work is not yet done. Can you take up this final mission?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    boulay said:

    It's absolutely none of my business what people post on here, and generally I'm at the freedom of speech end of the spectrum. But there is a line to be drawn.

    So, how about an automatic ban on anybody who refers to other posters as 'mate' or 'pal'? Beyond the pale, in my view.

    I’m more confused by someone using both - in my life there are people who call others “mate” and others who use “pal” but don’t recall anyone using both - I always thought it was a regional thing with “pal” being more Northern and “mate” more south….

    I've used both depending on where I am. Mate in London, Pal in Scotland. Marra on Tyneside. I'm sure I have heard blokes calling each other Love elsewhere in the North, maybe Sheffield. Don't think I've used any on here though.
    It's a usage that I find odd, as usually "mate" or "pal" is used in a slightly hostile way, to mean its opposite.

    All fairly random though, and often get patients calling me "mate", "me duck", or even "my love". The last seems mostly to come from older Gujeratis rather than Bristolians in my part of the world. All part of life's rich tapestry.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    It's absolutely none of my business what people post on here, and generally I'm at the freedom of speech end of the spectrum. But there is a line to be drawn.

    So, how about an automatic ban on anybody who refers to other posters as 'mate' or 'pal'? Beyond the pale, in my view.

    I’m more confused by someone using both - in my life there are people who call others “mate” and others who use “pal” but don’t recall anyone using both - I always thought it was a regional thing with “pal” being more Northern and “mate” more south….

    I've used both depending on where I am. Mate in London, Pal in Scotland. Marra on Tyneside. I'm sure I have heard blokes calling each other Love elsewhere in the North, maybe Sheffield. Don't think I've used any on here though.
    It's a usage that I find odd, as usually "mate" or "pal" is used in a slightly hostile way, to mean its opposite.

    All fairly random though, and often get patients calling me "mate", "me duck", or even "my love". The last seems mostly to come from older Gujeratis rather than Bristolians in my part of the world. All part of life's rich tapestry.
    I’ve usually found “pal” to be used in a passive aggressive way - often experienced at a bar when you accidentally knock into someone and you hear the dread phrase “you alright, pal”….. not asking about my welfare.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,587
    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    It's absolutely none of my business what people post on here, and generally I'm at the freedom of speech end of the spectrum. But there is a line to be drawn.

    So, how about an automatic ban on anybody who refers to other posters as 'mate' or 'pal'? Beyond the pale, in my view.

    I’m more confused by someone using both - in my life there are people who call others “mate” and others who use “pal” but don’t recall anyone using both - I always thought it was a regional thing with “pal” being more Northern and “mate” more south….

    I've used both depending on where I am. Mate in London, Pal in Scotland. Marra on Tyneside. I'm sure I have heard blokes calling each other Love elsewhere in the North, maybe Sheffield. Don't think I've used any on here though.
    It's a usage that I find odd, as usually "mate" or "pal" is used in a slightly hostile way, to mean its opposite.

    All fairly random though, and often get patients calling me "mate", "me duck", or even "my love". The last seems mostly to come from older Gujeratis rather than Bristolians in my part of the world. All part of life's rich tapestry.
    I knew a couple of blokes from the South Yorkshire area who would call many people they were friendly with - male or female - "petal" and "flower"

    Aye up petal, fancy the pub?

    Not strangers though.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    micktrain said:

    kle4 said:

    DougSeal said:

    micktrain said:

    James Melville going in heavy on vaccine injuries now Same as Mark Steyn on GB news

    https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1540091478076280833?s=20&t=q6Q79A-Ei_bSi3GDYp0i-Q

    You joined the site 48 hours ago and have made 117 posts, roughly one every 25 minutes unless I’m mistaken. Are you doing this for a living somewhere perhaps?

    Eh, I've probably done more.
    Yes you have mate and I must say your output is impressive
    His posts are quite good too...😀
  • micktrainmicktrain Posts: 137

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:
    CMI calculates 122,400 excess deaths in the UK since the start of the pandemic. The total has increased by 2,000 in 2022.

    Cumulative mortality rates YTD are 0.1% of a full year’s mortality worse than 2019. 2/3 https://t.co/0oikxlDC9C



    I think that there is a limit to how far back one can safely compare when looking at excess deaths, as population ageing effects start to intrude.

    The problem of Omicron is more one of morbidity than mortality, lengthening hospital stay, etc.


    Deaths running nearly 20% above normal now as shown by latest ons figures not that gps are interested, they are still in hiding
    Largely a recording effect from the prolonged Bank Holiday.

    This is an interesting piece of work looking at the excess million deaths from covid in the USA, in particular the higher mortality in the young and middle aged.

    https://covidactuaries.org/2022/06/20/excess-mortality-in-the-usa/
    FFS - have we got another ignoring-reporting-effects clown?

    {picks up baseball bat and a handful of rust nails…}

    No wrong deaths rose above the seasonal trend in May and have continued above in June, the snowball has started
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    kamski said:

    Sandpit said:

    micktrain said:

    There are rumours going round especially in the USA that the shortage of airline staff and flight cancellations may be due to vaccine injuries,, could be rubbish but who knows

    Look closer to home, at the number of BA pilots with vaccine injuries.
    Does anyone know what the theory is for why airline staff are especially prone to these vaccine injuries?
    The airline industry is well known for being full of gayers.

    Which leaves them particularly vulnerable to illness.

    I blame the sexual revolution.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386

    kamski said:

    Sandpit said:

    micktrain said:

    There are rumours going round especially in the USA that the shortage of airline staff and flight cancellations may be due to vaccine injuries,, could be rubbish but who knows

    Look closer to home, at the number of BA pilots with vaccine injuries.
    Does anyone know what the theory is for why airline staff are especially prone to these vaccine injuries?
    The airline industry is well known for being full of gayers.

    Which leaves them particularly vulnerable to illness.

    I blame the sexual revolution.
    Your theory seems a bit queer to me.

    Although not as queer as the thinking of our pal here…

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,260
    micktrain said:

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:
    CMI calculates 122,400 excess deaths in the UK since the start of the pandemic. The total has increased by 2,000 in 2022.

    Cumulative mortality rates YTD are 0.1% of a full year’s mortality worse than 2019. 2/3 https://t.co/0oikxlDC9C



    I think that there is a limit to how far back one can safely compare when looking at excess deaths, as population ageing effects start to intrude.

    The problem of Omicron is more one of morbidity than mortality, lengthening hospital stay, etc.


    Deaths running nearly 20% above normal now as shown by latest ons figures not that gps are interested, they are still in hiding
    Largely a recording effect from the prolonged Bank Holiday.

    This is an interesting piece of work looking at the excess million deaths from covid in the USA, in particular the higher mortality in the young and middle aged.

    https://covidactuaries.org/2022/06/20/excess-mortality-in-the-usa/
    FFS - have we got another ignoring-reporting-effects clown?

    {picks up baseball bat and a handful of rust nails…}

    No wrong deaths rose above the seasonal trend in May and have continued above in June, the snowball has started
    Sigh

    Monoliths for you, later, when I have time.
  • micktrainmicktrain Posts: 137

    Could we club together and get a better class of troll? Is there a Platinum Deluxe category?

    Just an ordinary bloke asking questions mate, you should try it sometime
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    micktrain said:

    Could we club together and get a better class of troll? Is there a Platinum Deluxe category?

    Just an ordinary bloke asking questions mate, you should try it sometime
    He asks two questions in that very post!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,260
    micktrain said:

    Could we club together and get a better class of troll? Is there a Platinum Deluxe category?

    Just an ordinary bloke asking questions mate, you should try it sometime
    Interesting that you assumed that the troll I was talking of, was you.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,260
    ydoethur said:

    kamski said:

    Sandpit said:

    micktrain said:

    There are rumours going round especially in the USA that the shortage of airline staff and flight cancellations may be due to vaccine injuries,, could be rubbish but who knows

    Look closer to home, at the number of BA pilots with vaccine injuries.
    Does anyone know what the theory is for why airline staff are especially prone to these vaccine injuries?
    The airline industry is well known for being full of gayers.

    Which leaves them particularly vulnerable to illness.

    I blame the sexual revolution.
    Your theory seems a bit queer to me.

    Although not as queer as the thinking of our pal here…

    Your thinking has a certain…. bent… to it
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    micktrain said:

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:
    CMI calculates 122,400 excess deaths in the UK since the start of the pandemic. The total has increased by 2,000 in 2022.

    Cumulative mortality rates YTD are 0.1% of a full year’s mortality worse than 2019. 2/3 https://t.co/0oikxlDC9C



    I think that there is a limit to how far back one can safely compare when looking at excess deaths, as population ageing effects start to intrude.

    The problem of Omicron is more one of morbidity than mortality, lengthening hospital stay, etc.


    Deaths running nearly 20% above normal now as shown by latest ons figures not that gps are interested, they are still in hiding
    Largely a recording effect from the prolonged Bank Holiday.

    This is an interesting piece of work looking at the excess million deaths from covid in the USA, in particular the higher mortality in the young and middle aged.

    https://covidactuaries.org/2022/06/20/excess-mortality-in-the-usa/
    FFS - have we got another ignoring-reporting-effects clown?

    {picks up baseball bat and a handful of rust nails…}

    No wrong deaths rose above the seasonal trend in May and have continued above in June, the snowball has started
    Oh do fuck off. This forum is packed with intelligent, successful men and women who come here to discuss political betting, politics and test cricket. Frankly there is more than enough expertise on here to have shown up the media as the shower they are during covid. We understand statistics and data. We know that there is a novel virus still raging round the country and the globe. We also know that sadly some are dying. Right now those people are mostly ill with something else (pace @Foxy’s 20% admitted for covid stat of yesterday).
    I don’t know what argument you think you will have here.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited June 2022
    micktrain said:

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:
    CMI calculates 122,400 excess deaths in the UK since the start of the pandemic. The total has increased by 2,000 in 2022.

    Cumulative mortality rates YTD are 0.1% of a full year’s mortality worse than 2019. 2/3 https://t.co/0oikxlDC9C



    I think that there is a limit to how far back one can safely compare when looking at excess deaths, as population ageing effects start to intrude.

    The problem of Omicron is more one of morbidity than mortality, lengthening hospital stay, etc.


    Deaths running nearly 20% above normal now as shown by latest ons figures not that gps are interested, they are still in hiding
    Largely a recording effect from the prolonged Bank Holiday.

    This is an interesting piece of work looking at the excess million deaths from covid in the USA, in particular the higher mortality in the young and middle aged.

    https://covidactuaries.org/2022/06/20/excess-mortality-in-the-usa/
    FFS - have we got another ignoring-reporting-effects clown?

    {picks up baseball bat and a handful of rust nails…}

    No wrong deaths rose above the seasonal trend in May and have continued above in June, the snowball has started
    You mean when all the deaths from the spring surge of Covid, >200 deaths a day, were registered?

    Say it ain't so.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386

    micktrain said:

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:
    CMI calculates 122,400 excess deaths in the UK since the start of the pandemic. The total has increased by 2,000 in 2022.

    Cumulative mortality rates YTD are 0.1% of a full year’s mortality worse than 2019. 2/3 https://t.co/0oikxlDC9C



    I think that there is a limit to how far back one can safely compare when looking at excess deaths, as population ageing effects start to intrude.

    The problem of Omicron is more one of morbidity than mortality, lengthening hospital stay, etc.


    Deaths running nearly 20% above normal now as shown by latest ons figures not that gps are interested, they are still in hiding
    Largely a recording effect from the prolonged Bank Holiday.

    This is an interesting piece of work looking at the excess million deaths from covid in the USA, in particular the higher mortality in the young and middle aged.

    https://covidactuaries.org/2022/06/20/excess-mortality-in-the-usa/
    FFS - have we got another ignoring-reporting-effects clown?

    {picks up baseball bat and a handful of rust nails…}

    No wrong deaths rose above the seasonal trend in May and have continued above in June, the snowball has started
    Oh do fuck off. This forum is packed with intelligent, successful men and women who come here to discuss political betting, politics and test cricket.
    Some of us like to make awesome puns too!

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,278
    Stalin’s To Do List




    … in Stalin’s SECRET UNDERGROUND PRINTING LAIR. Hidden away in the humdrum outskirts of Tbilisi


  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,260
    ydoethur said:

    micktrain said:

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:
    CMI calculates 122,400 excess deaths in the UK since the start of the pandemic. The total has increased by 2,000 in 2022.

    Cumulative mortality rates YTD are 0.1% of a full year’s mortality worse than 2019. 2/3 https://t.co/0oikxlDC9C



    I think that there is a limit to how far back one can safely compare when looking at excess deaths, as population ageing effects start to intrude.

    The problem of Omicron is more one of morbidity than mortality, lengthening hospital stay, etc.


    Deaths running nearly 20% above normal now as shown by latest ons figures not that gps are interested, they are still in hiding
    Largely a recording effect from the prolonged Bank Holiday.

    This is an interesting piece of work looking at the excess million deaths from covid in the USA, in particular the higher mortality in the young and middle aged.

    https://covidactuaries.org/2022/06/20/excess-mortality-in-the-usa/
    FFS - have we got another ignoring-reporting-effects clown?

    {picks up baseball bat and a handful of rust nails…}

    No wrong deaths rose above the seasonal trend in May and have continued above in June, the snowball has started
    Oh do fuck off. This forum is packed with intelligent, successful men and women who come here to discuss political betting, politics and test cricket.
    Some of us like to make awesome puns too!

    And plan for the relocation of the DfE…..

  • micktrainmicktrain Posts: 137
    My neighbour had a stroke 2 months after her booster
    My other neighbour told me she's in chronic pain after the booster and it's ruined her health
    My 3rd neighbour has just gone into hospital
    3 anecdotes right there What are the medical profession covering up foxy
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,220

    Could we club together and get a better class of troll? Is there a Platinum Deluxe category?

    Given what else we've discovered about Russian capabilities in recent years, there's a chance that we're seeing platinum deluxe russian trolling here.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    Could we club together and get a better class of troll? Is there a Platinum Deluxe category?

    The ultimate accolade is the Leon Award for Fantastical Excess. AFAIK no one has qualified yet....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386

    ydoethur said:

    micktrain said:

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:
    CMI calculates 122,400 excess deaths in the UK since the start of the pandemic. The total has increased by 2,000 in 2022.

    Cumulative mortality rates YTD are 0.1% of a full year’s mortality worse than 2019. 2/3 https://t.co/0oikxlDC9C



    I think that there is a limit to how far back one can safely compare when looking at excess deaths, as population ageing effects start to intrude.

    The problem of Omicron is more one of morbidity than mortality, lengthening hospital stay, etc.


    Deaths running nearly 20% above normal now as shown by latest ons figures not that gps are interested, they are still in hiding
    Largely a recording effect from the prolonged Bank Holiday.

    This is an interesting piece of work looking at the excess million deaths from covid in the USA, in particular the higher mortality in the young and middle aged.

    https://covidactuaries.org/2022/06/20/excess-mortality-in-the-usa/
    FFS - have we got another ignoring-reporting-effects clown?

    {picks up baseball bat and a handful of rust nails…}

    No wrong deaths rose above the seasonal trend in May and have continued above in June, the snowball has started
    Oh do fuck off. This forum is packed with intelligent, successful men and women who come here to discuss political betting, politics and test cricket.
    Some of us like to make awesome puns too!

    And plan for the relocation of the DfE…..

    On that subject, how’s that space rocket coming along?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    Leon said:

    Stalin’s To Do List




    … in Stalin’s SECRET UNDERGROUND PRINTING LAIR. Hidden away in the humdrum outskirts of Tbilisi


    He doesn’t look anything like the other pictures of him I’ve seen.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    I see the BBC are doing their usual "nothing to see here'" over the Oslo gay bar shooting. Compare and contrast with the WSJ:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61933817

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/shooting-outside-gay-nightclub-in-norway-kills-two-sparks-terrorism-investigation-11656149242

    WSJ manages to identify the background of the shooter, which the BBC somehow can't force itself to admit.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,896
    OT today's Google doodle seems to be Anne Frank of diary fame.
    https://www.google.co.uk/
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    micktrain said:

    My neighbour had a stroke 2 months after her booster
    My other neighbour told me she's in chronic pain after the booster and it's ruined her health
    My 3rd neighbour has just gone into hospital
    3 anecdotes right there What are the medical profession covering up foxy

    Correlation does not equal correlation. Everyone who heathers air dies eventually. Should we ban air? Or just for pathetic antivaxxer trolls?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    micktrain said:

    My neighbour had a stroke 2 months after her booster
    My other neighbour told me she's in chronic pain after the booster and it's ruined her health
    My 3rd neighbour has just gone into hospital
    3 anecdotes right there What are the medical profession covering up foxy

    Ages, prior medical history, and a diagnosis for no 3 please
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585

    Could we club together and get a better class of troll? Is there a Platinum Deluxe category?

    Given what else we've discovered about Russian capabilities in recent years, there's a chance that we're seeing platinum deluxe russian trolling here.
    We should be proud as a forum, that we managed to get upgraded to the Level 3 troll, after the first two lasted only a batter of minutes before finding the ban hammer wielded. A more subtle attempt at pointless division was needed.
  • micktrainmicktrain Posts: 137
    Oh and my mother's health suddenly deteriorated after the first jab so she's now a shadow of her former self, still keep silent and keep the money flowing in foxy
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    Carnyx said:

    While on the topic of blaming the woman (with some spreading to Mr J) - Graun feed reports:

    'The i reports one saying: “Parish shouldn’t have resigned.

    “He should have just gone away with his wife for a few weeks and then come back to the job. I don’t know why the girls had to speak out like that.”

    Another suggested the witnesses would “feel like a turd in the swimming pool”.

    On Johnson, a Tory MP said: “It’s like a disease. The prime minister is infecting the cabinet, and if the Tory party doesn’t act in the next six months we will all be infected by him.”'

    Original is here but ££.

    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-is-like-a-disease-inside-a-tory-party-shell-shocked-by-horrific-double-defeat-1706526

    Problem with that argument is that Bozo has been infecting the cabinet for over 2 years it's just a lot of people haven't noticed until now.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Oh no, Jamie Overton.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    Oh Jamie Overton.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    I’ve never really been one to say that England bat deep, but No.8 almost getting a century on debut is a definite shifting of the Overton window in the Test Match game.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    edited June 2022

    micktrain said:

    My neighbour had a stroke 2 months after her booster
    My other neighbour told me she's in chronic pain after the booster and it's ruined her health
    My 3rd neighbour has just gone into hospital
    3 anecdotes right there What are the medical profession covering up foxy

    Correlation does not equal correlation. Everyone who heathers air dies eventually. Should we ban air? Or just for pathetic antivaxxer trolls?
    I was once singing under a man called David Russell Hulme, a brilliant conductor but very temperamental. Some people kept breathing in the wrong place and he glared at them and said ‘Dangerous to do that. Everyone who breathes, dies.’

    Speaking of dangers, real shame for Jamie Overton, joining Bob Taylor as a lower order fight backer who goes for 97.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    ydoethur said:

    micktrain said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    micktrain said:

    The point is James Melville is saying coverage of vaccine injuries is being suppressed, you may disagree with him but it's important to have the debate, or do we live in North korea

    We got on fine not having the debate till you showed up, and we will get on fine after rcs decides he has had enough of you

    Melville's thesis is: previously healthy people, are getting ill. That in my experience is how getting ill has always worked.
    I doubt it will be long before 'rcs' acts but in the meantime the cricket is about to start and a day away from politics beckons
    I suppose if I had taken a vaccine that questions are now being asked about by substantial figures I would go into denial too
    The clock is ticking and the cricket has started
    Yesterday I had a double free in the afternoon due to exam classes leaving. I had hoped to watch the cricket while I was working but I was very busy and forgot to put it on.

    We all make mistakes…
    TMS reports the Headingley bars were full at 9.30 this morning...
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    micktrain said:

    Oh and my mother's health suddenly deteriorated after the first jab so she's now a shadow of her former self, still keep silent and keep the money flowing in foxy

    Funny that. I’ve not known anyone who has had any long term impacts from the vaccine. My anecdote beats your anecdote. Checkmate chum! (Have we done “chum” yet?).

    Are you in Brum BTW?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,386
    Oh dear, that’s a shame. The troll is banned and Overton misses out in a ton.

    I shall go and get my watch fixed. Later.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,896
    MrEd said:

    I see the BBC are doing their usual "nothing to see here'" over the Oslo gay bar shooting. Compare and contrast with the WSJ:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61933817

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/shooting-outside-gay-nightclub-in-norway-kills-two-sparks-terrorism-investigation-11656149242

    WSJ manages to identify the background of the shooter, which the BBC somehow can't force itself to admit.

    Norway has cancelled the Pride march so it looks like the baddies have won.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    ydoethur said:

    micktrain said:

    My neighbour had a stroke 2 months after her booster
    My other neighbour told me she's in chronic pain after the booster and it's ruined her health
    My 3rd neighbour has just gone into hospital
    3 anecdotes right there What are the medical profession covering up foxy

    Correlation does not equal correlation. Everyone who heathers air dies eventually. Should we ban air? Or just for pathetic antivaxxer trolls?
    I was once singing under a man called David Russell Hulme, a brilliant conductor but very temperamental. Some people kept breathing in the wrong place and he glared at them and said ‘Dangerous to do that. Everyone who breathes, does.’

    Speaking of dangers, real shame for Jamie Overton, joining Bob Taylor as a lower order
    fight backer who goes for 97.
    Shot his bolt....
    Fantastic innings, nevertheless.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    ydoethur said:

    Oh dear, that’s a shame. The troll is banned and Overton misses out in a ton.

    I shall go and get my watch fixed. Later.

    Say it ain’t so!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,716
    I see our newest person has now been banned.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Nigelb said:

    ydoethur said:

    micktrain said:

    My neighbour had a stroke 2 months after her booster
    My other neighbour told me she's in chronic pain after the booster and it's ruined her health
    My 3rd neighbour has just gone into hospital
    3 anecdotes right there What are the medical profession covering up foxy

    Correlation does not equal correlation. Everyone who heathers air dies eventually. Should we ban air? Or just for pathetic antivaxxer trolls?
    I was once singing under a man called David Russell Hulme, a brilliant conductor but very temperamental. Some people kept breathing in the wrong place and he glared at them and said ‘Dangerous to do that. Everyone who breathes, does.’

    Speaking of dangers, real shame for Jamie Overton, joining Bob Taylor as a lower order
    fight backer who goes for 97.
    Shot his bolt....
    Fantastic innings, nevertheless.
    Yes, and I think Overton batted well as well.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    edited June 2022
    The Overton Window has been broken
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    micktrain said:

    My neighbour had a stroke 2 months after her booster
    My other neighbour told me she's in chronic pain after the booster and it's ruined her health
    My 3rd neighbour has just gone into hospital
    3 anecdotes right there What are the medical profession covering up foxy

    Correlation does not equal correlation. Everyone who heathers air dies eventually. Should we ban air? Or just for pathetic antivaxxer trolls?
    Sounds bloody dangerous being his neighbour, though.
    Cooking novichok in the kitchen, perhaps.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    DougSeal said:

    The Overton Window as been broken

    Hoping Bairstow gets a move on now...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,094
    micktrain said:

    My neighbour had a stroke 2 months after her booster
    My other neighbour told me she's in chronic pain after the booster and it's ruined her health
    My 3rd neighbour has just gone into hospital
    3 anecdotes right there What are the medical profession covering up foxy

    Yes, the medical profession want to cover up medical problems because...because, er, reasons.

    Even if all three were related to the booster, there were potential if rare side effects well advertised.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Where did our pet troll go? Just when we were having fun with conspiracy theories about pilots getting vaccine injuries.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    kle4 said:

    micktrain said:

    My neighbour had a stroke 2 months after her booster
    My other neighbour told me she's in chronic pain after the booster and it's ruined her health
    My 3rd neighbour has just gone into hospital
    3 anecdotes right there What are the medical profession covering up foxy

    Yes, the medical profession want to cover up medical problems because...because, er, reasons.

    Even if all three were related to the booster, there were potential if rare side effects well advertised.
    I had a shit 24 hours after my Pfizer booster. As bad a night as I’ve had since my cancer treatment some ten years ago.
    Totally worth it.
    To my knowledge I’ve not yet had covid.
    I’d do it again right now.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,260
    edited June 2022
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    micktrain said:

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:

    Foxy said:

    micktrain said:
    CMI calculates 122,400 excess deaths in the UK since the start of the pandemic. The total has increased by 2,000 in 2022.

    Cumulative mortality rates YTD are 0.1% of a full year’s mortality worse than 2019. 2/3 https://t.co/0oikxlDC9C



    I think that there is a limit to how far back one can safely compare when looking at excess deaths, as population ageing effects start to intrude.

    The problem of Omicron is more one of morbidity than mortality, lengthening hospital stay, etc.


    Deaths running nearly 20% above normal now as shown by latest ons figures not that gps are interested, they are still in hiding
    Largely a recording effect from the prolonged Bank Holiday.

    This is an interesting piece of work looking at the excess million deaths from covid in the USA, in particular the higher mortality in the young and middle aged.

    https://covidactuaries.org/2022/06/20/excess-mortality-in-the-usa/
    FFS - have we got another ignoring-reporting-effects clown?

    {picks up baseball bat and a handful of rust nails…}

    No wrong deaths rose above the seasonal trend in May and have continued above in June, the snowball has started
    Oh do fuck off. This forum is packed with intelligent, successful men and women who come here to discuss political betting, politics and test cricket.
    Some of us like to make awesome puns too!

    And plan for the relocation of the DfE…..

    On that subject, how’s that space rocket coming along?
    Flight hardware being stacked - Starship 24 and Booster 7…
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    kle4 said:

    micktrain said:

    My neighbour had a stroke 2 months after her booster
    My other neighbour told me she's in chronic pain after the booster and it's ruined her health
    My 3rd neighbour has just gone into hospital
    3 anecdotes right there What are the medical profession covering up foxy

    Yes, the medical profession want to cover up medical problems because...because, er, reasons.

    Even if all three were related to the booster, there were potential if rare side effects well advertised.
    I had a shit 24 hours after my Pfizer booster. As bad a night as I’ve had since my cancer treatment some ten years ago.
    Totally worth it.
    To my knowledge I’ve not yet had covid.
    I’d do it again right now.
    I’ve had Covid once, symptoms of a mild cough for 48 hours, vaccines totally worth it.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    If the NASUWT go on strike will micktrain’s next generation be patrickblackboard?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    kle4 said:

    micktrain said:

    My neighbour had a stroke 2 months after her booster
    My other neighbour told me she's in chronic pain after the booster and it's ruined her health
    My 3rd neighbour has just gone into hospital
    3 anecdotes right there What are the medical profession covering up foxy

    Yes, the medical profession want to cover up medical problems because...because, er, reasons.

    Even if all three were related to the booster, there were potential if rare side effects well advertised.
    But the statistical odds of 3 different very rare side effects happening to close neighbours has to be far higher than the statistical odds that a troll is an anti-vaccine looney...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,094
    edited June 2022

    kle4 said:

    micktrain said:

    My neighbour had a stroke 2 months after her booster
    My other neighbour told me she's in chronic pain after the booster and it's ruined her health
    My 3rd neighbour has just gone into hospital
    3 anecdotes right there What are the medical profession covering up foxy

    Yes, the medical profession want to cover up medical problems because...because, er, reasons.

    Even if all three were related to the booster, there were potential if rare side effects well advertised.
    I had a shit 24 hours after my Pfizer booster. As bad a night as I’ve had since my cancer treatment some ten years ago.
    Totally worth it.
    To my knowledge I’ve not yet had covid.
    I’d do it again right now.
    Relative of mine yesterday (in between fantasies of physically harming Boris) said they refuse to get a further shot as they had a poor reaction to the Moderna. I hope most plough on in that situation
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,260
    Nigelb said:

    micktrain said:

    My neighbour had a stroke 2 months after her booster
    My other neighbour told me she's in chronic pain after the booster and it's ruined her health
    My 3rd neighbour has just gone into hospital
    3 anecdotes right there What are the medical profession covering up foxy

    Correlation does not equal correlation. Everyone who heathers air dies eventually. Should we ban air? Or just for pathetic antivaxxer trolls?
    Sounds bloody dangerous being his neighbour, though.
    Cooking novichok in the kitchen, perhaps.
    Or perhaps too many visits to cathedrals?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    boulay said:

    If the NASUWT go on strike will micktrain’s next generation be patrickblackboard?

    Criminal barristers are on strike next week so JohnnyThief?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,958

    It's absolutely none of my business what people post on here, and generally I'm at the freedom of speech end of the spectrum. But there is a line to be drawn.

    So, how about an automatic ban on anybody who refers to other posters as 'mate' or 'pal'? Beyond the pale, in my view.

    A starting point certainly. I’ve noticed a surge of ‘chap’ as a term of online familiarity in the last decade, eg ‘you’ve done wonders restoring those magnesium alloy wheels, chap’. Summary execution in those cases.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    micktrain said:

    My neighbour had a stroke 2 months after her booster
    My other neighbour told me she's in chronic pain after the booster and it's ruined her health
    My 3rd neighbour has just gone into hospital
    3 anecdotes right there What are the medical profession covering up foxy

    Yes, the medical profession want to cover up medical problems because...because, er, reasons.

    Even if all three were related to the booster, there were potential if rare side effects well advertised.
    I had a shit 24 hours after my Pfizer booster. As bad a night as I’ve had since my cancer treatment some ten years ago.
    Totally worth it.
    To my knowledge I’ve not yet had covid.
    I’d do it again right now.
    Relative of mine yesterday (in between fantasies of physically harming Boris) said they refuse to get a further shot as they had a poor reaction to the Moderna. I hope most plough on in that situation
    I’d had AZ for the first two shots, so it was my first mRNA, which may have played a part. Or it could just be the immune systems response having had the first two doses to prime it.
    As I said, I’d be first in the queue again, and will take the chance if offered (age, asthma, work etc).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Johnson confirms the only thing that would make him resign before the next general election as PM is if support for Ukraine became too difficult or costly and the government decided to abandon it

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-61934851
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,094

    It's absolutely none of my business what people post on here, and generally I'm at the freedom of speech end of the spectrum. But there is a line to be drawn.

    So, how about an automatic ban on anybody who refers to other posters as 'mate' or 'pal'? Beyond the pale, in my view.

    A starting point certainly. I’ve noticed a surge of ‘chap’ as a term of online familiarity in the last decade, eg ‘you’ve done wonders restoring those magnesium alloy wheels, chap’. Summary execution in those cases.
    Had a gas engineer round the other day and he kept calling me sir. Must have been of the old school style.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    It's absolutely none of my business what people post on here, and generally I'm at the freedom of speech end of the spectrum. But there is a line to be drawn.

    So, how about an automatic ban on anybody who refers to other posters as 'mate' or 'pal'? Beyond the pale, in my view.

    A starting point certainly. I’ve noticed a surge of ‘chap’ as a term of online familiarity in the last decade, eg ‘you’ve done wonders restoring those magnesium alloy wheels, chap’. Summary execution in those cases.
    I’m pressing for the return of “Chum”. I thought it’s use by Leeroy Jenkins would popularise it but, sadly, 16 years on still no traction.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,585
    Well, at 55/6 I was sure we’d be following-on, and Eagles would be getting his money back for tomorrow. What an achievement to get the scores level, from Bairstow, Overton and now Broad.
  • I missed another troll? :(
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    Scores level.
    What were the odds at 55-6?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,039
    England complete comeback and lead by 1
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    HYUFD said:

    Johnson confirms the only thing that would make him resign before the next general election as PM is if support for Ukraine became too difficult or costly and the government decided to abandon it

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-61934851

    Excellent news for the opposition. Also bollocks.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,631
    The discussion reminds me of this from Dave Allen:

    "Listen to me, pal..."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IfoUM6a4bA
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,632
    Eyes emoji.

    England are level with New Zealand, having taken 61 overs to make 329 (for 7). NZ took 117.3 overs.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541

    I missed another troll? :(

    I’m hanging on by my fingernails
  • DougSeal said:

    I missed another troll? :(

    I’m hanging on by my fingernails
    How are you Doug?
  • Lowest % to say 'coronavirus restrictions' that we've recorded.

    Which issues would most determine how Britons would vote in a General Election, if there were to be one tomorrow? (19 June)

    Economy 58%
    Healthcare 52%
    Education 27%
    Immigration 24%
    Taxation 23%
    Housing 21%

    Do the Tories have any answers?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    edited June 2022



    How are you Doug?

    Good, good! You?
  • Boris Johnson tells Sky's @BethRigby people are "absolutely fed up" about hearing things that "I’d stuffed up" as he played down the party's by-election defeats. The arrogance of a broken PM he just goes from worse to rotten, he has no moral’s or decency what so ever.

    https://twitter.com/politicalpics/status/1540650495790010370

    Is this what it was like facing Corbyn for the Tories in the room
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402

    Lowest % to say 'coronavirus restrictions' that we've recorded.

    Which issues would most determine how Britons would vote in a General Election, if there were to be one tomorrow? (19 June)

    Economy 58%
    Healthcare 52%
    Education 27%
    Immigration 24%
    Taxation 23%
    Housing 21%

    Do the Tories have any answers?

    Does anyone anywhere?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    HYUFD said:

    Johnson confirms the only thing that would make him resign before the next general election as PM is if support for Ukraine became too difficult or costly and the government decided to abandon it

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-61934851

    Uh-oh. An undying oath of fealty from Johnson generally spells trouble for the counter-party.

    Armatas on Khreshchatyk by Christmas.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402

    Boris Johnson tells Sky's @BethRigby people are "absolutely fed up" about hearing things that "I’d stuffed up" as he played down the party's by-election defeats. The arrogance of a broken PM he just goes from worse to rotten, he has no moral’s or decency what so ever.

    https://twitter.com/politicalpics/status/1540650495790010370

    Is this what it was like facing Corbyn for the Tories in the room

    One solution might be to stop stuffing up...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,958
    edited June 2022
    MrEd said:

    I see the BBC are doing their usual "nothing to see here'" over the Oslo gay bar shooting. Compare and contrast with the WSJ:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61933817

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/shooting-outside-gay-nightclub-in-norway-kills-two-sparks-terrorism-investigation-11656149242

    WSJ manages to identify the background of the shooter, which the BBC somehow can't force itself to admit.

    Just had the BBC R4 bulletin tell me that the shooter was a Norwegian citizen of Iranian background, and the shooting was a hate crime. You post and the BBC immediately reacts, impressive!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    DougSeal said:

    It's absolutely none of my business what people post on here, and generally I'm at the freedom of speech end of the spectrum. But there is a line to be drawn.

    So, how about an automatic ban on anybody who refers to other posters as 'mate' or 'pal'? Beyond the pale, in my view.

    A starting point certainly. I’ve noticed a surge of ‘chap’ as a term of online familiarity in the last decade, eg ‘you’ve done wonders restoring those magnesium alloy wheels, chap’. Summary execution in those cases.
    I’m pressing for the return of “Chum”. I thought it’s use by Leeroy Jenkins would popularise it but, sadly, 16 years on still no traction.
    Never mind, old boy.

  • dixiedean said:

    Lowest % to say 'coronavirus restrictions' that we've recorded.

    Which issues would most determine how Britons would vote in a General Election, if there were to be one tomorrow? (19 June)

    Economy 58%
    Healthcare 52%
    Education 27%
    Immigration 24%
    Taxation 23%
    Housing 21%

    Do the Tories have any answers?

    Does anyone anywhere?
    We will see a lot of Governments going soon IMHO after overseeing the current crisis
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405
    Nigelb said:

    DougSeal said:

    It's absolutely none of my business what people post on here, and generally I'm at the freedom of speech end of the spectrum. But there is a line to be drawn.

    So, how about an automatic ban on anybody who refers to other posters as 'mate' or 'pal'? Beyond the pale, in my view.

    A starting point certainly. I’ve noticed a surge of ‘chap’ as a term of online familiarity in the last decade, eg ‘you’ve done wonders restoring those magnesium alloy wheels, chap’. Summary execution in those cases.
    I’m pressing for the return of “Chum”. I thought it’s use by Leeroy Jenkins would popularise it but, sadly, 16 years on still no traction.
    Never mind, old boy.

    When I used to lead my beginners running group, I used to refer to all as ‘guys’, despite almost all being female. No one seemed to mind.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Aggregate Results of the 15 Council By-Elections since the 2022 Locals:

    LAB: 5 (+2)
    LDM: 3 (+3)
    CON: 3 (-7)
    GRN: 2 (+2)
    IND: 1 (-)
    OTH: 1 (-) https://t.co/2oW66p43n3

    With the caveat that 2 losses Thursday were from a majority of 4 votes and a dead heat, the message is being consistently delivered from all angles. Wake up, buttercups
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    dixiedean said:

    Lowest % to say 'coronavirus restrictions' that we've recorded.

    Which issues would most determine how Britons would vote in a General Election, if there were to be one tomorrow? (19 June)

    Economy 58%
    Healthcare 52%
    Education 27%
    Immigration 24%
    Taxation 23%
    Housing 21%

    Do the Tories have any answers?

    Does anyone anywhere?
    We will see a lot of Governments going soon IMHO after overseeing the current crisis
    You can make an argument that the longer Johnson hangs around, and the later the election is, the better it is for labour. Would Starmer really want to take over in 6 weeks time? Better to let things go over the next 18 months, see hopefully signs of recovery in the economy, have the Tories forced to make the tough decisions.
    A bit like 1997.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    dixiedean said:

    Lowest % to say 'coronavirus restrictions' that we've recorded.

    Which issues would most determine how Britons would vote in a General Election, if there were to be one tomorrow? (19 June)

    Economy 58%
    Healthcare 52%
    Education 27%
    Immigration 24%
    Taxation 23%
    Housing 21%

    Do the Tories have any answers?

    Does anyone anywhere?
    We will see a lot of Governments going soon IMHO after overseeing the current crisis
    You can make an argument that the longer Johnson hangs around, and the later the election is, the better it is for labour. Would Starmer really want to take over in 6 weeks time? Better to let things go over the next 18 months, see hopefully signs of recovery in the economy, have the Tories forced to make the tough decisions.
    A bit like 1997.
    The utilitarian solution of greatest happiness of the greatest number expressed over both short and long terms is crying out for an immediate election. But its all a bit Jim and the Indians at an individual level.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,377

    Farewll then micktrain
    You have left the PB station
    Are you looking for another platform ?

    Micktrain
    Was a pain
    But he'll be back
    Again.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,039
    edited June 2022

    dixiedean said:

    Lowest % to say 'coronavirus restrictions' that we've recorded.

    Which issues would most determine how Britons would vote in a General Election, if there were to be one tomorrow? (19 June)

    Economy 58%
    Healthcare 52%
    Education 27%
    Immigration 24%
    Taxation 23%
    Housing 21%

    Do the Tories have any answers?

    Does anyone anywhere?
    We will see a lot of Governments going soon IMHO after overseeing the current crisis
    You can make an argument that the longer Johnson hangs around, and the later the election is, the better it is for labour. Would Starmer really want to take over in 6 weeks time? Better to let things go over the next 18 months, see hopefully signs of recovery in the economy, have the Tories forced to make the tough decisions.
    A bit like 1997.
    The utilitarian solution of greatest happiness of the greatest number expressed over both short and long terms is crying out for an immediate election. But its all a bit Jim and the Indians at an individual level.
    The next GE is likely to be over 2 years away and who knows where we will be then

    Broad throwing the bat is very entertaining

    Was
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370

    Nigelb said:

    DougSeal said:

    It's absolutely none of my business what people post on here, and generally I'm at the freedom of speech end of the spectrum. But there is a line to be drawn.

    So, how about an automatic ban on anybody who refers to other posters as 'mate' or 'pal'? Beyond the pale, in my view.

    A starting point certainly. I’ve noticed a surge of ‘chap’ as a term of online familiarity in the last decade, eg ‘you’ve done wonders restoring those magnesium alloy wheels, chap’. Summary execution in those cases.
    I’m pressing for the return of “Chum”. I thought it’s use by Leeroy Jenkins would popularise it but, sadly, 16 years on still no traction.
    Never mind, old boy.

    When I used to lead my beginners running group, I used to refer to all as ‘guys’, despite almost all being female. No one seemed to mind.
    I've always used folk - simply because it's gender neutral and used to complete throw any Europeans when they first appeared on a conference call.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    edited June 2022

    kamski said:

    Sandpit said:

    micktrain said:

    There are rumours going round especially in the USA that the shortage of airline staff and flight cancellations may be due to vaccine injuries,, could be rubbish but who knows

    Look closer to home, at the number of BA pilots with vaccine injuries.
    Does anyone know what the theory is for why airline staff are especially prone to these vaccine injuries?
    The airline industry is well known for being full of gayers.

    Which leaves them particularly vulnerable to illness.

    I blame the sexual revolution.
    "Would you like something to suck on for landing, sir?"
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061

    Farewll then micktrain
    You have left the PB station
    Are you looking for another platform ?

    Micktrain
    Was a pain
    But he'll be back
    Again.
    The poster banned as Micktrain
    Will come back again and again
    Im not sure which post
    Annoyed me the most
    But he's a twat
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    edited June 2022

    Nigelb said:

    DougSeal said:

    It's absolutely none of my business what people post on here, and generally I'm at the freedom of speech end of the spectrum. But there is a line to be drawn.

    So, how about an automatic ban on anybody who refers to other posters as 'mate' or 'pal'? Beyond the pale, in my view.

    A starting point certainly. I’ve noticed a surge of ‘chap’ as a term of online familiarity in the last decade, eg ‘you’ve done wonders restoring those magnesium alloy wheels, chap’. Summary execution in those cases.
    I’m pressing for the return of “Chum”. I thought it’s use by Leeroy Jenkins would popularise it but, sadly, 16 years on still no traction.
    Never mind, old boy.

    When I used to lead my beginners running group, I used to refer to all as ‘guys’, despite almost all being female. No one seemed to mind.
    "Guys" took some getting used to when I moved to Canada.
    Generically and ubiquitously used for all plural groups regardless of gender.
    Even chipmunks, raccoons, and ants.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited June 2022

    dixiedean said:

    Lowest % to say 'coronavirus restrictions' that we've recorded.

    Which issues would most determine how Britons would vote in a General Election, if there were to be one tomorrow? (19 June)

    Economy 58%
    Healthcare 52%
    Education 27%
    Immigration 24%
    Taxation 23%
    Housing 21%

    Do the Tories have any answers?

    Does anyone anywhere?
    We will see a lot of Governments going soon IMHO after overseeing the current crisis
    You can make an argument that the longer Johnson hangs around, and the later the election is, the better it is for labour. Would Starmer really want to take over in 6 weeks time? Better to let things go over the next 18 months, see hopefully signs of recovery in the economy, have the Tories forced to make the tough decisions.
    A bit like 1997.
    The utilitarian solution of greatest happiness of the greatest number expressed over both short and long terms is crying out for an immediate election. But its all a bit Jim and the Indians at an individual level.
    The next GE is likely to be over 2 years away and who knows where we will be then

    Broad throwing the bat is very entertaining

    Was
    Indeed it is. But looking at the headwinds there is an argument for now being the less damaging boil lancing and red team cross infection technique.
    Madness that won't happen but will be a what if in year 10 of opposition
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,402
    Bloody hell!
    Even Leach has gone 20/20.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,958
    Dura_Ace said:

    HYUFD said:

    Johnson confirms the only thing that would make him resign before the next general election as PM is if support for Ukraine became too difficult or costly and the government decided to abandon it

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-61934851

    Uh-oh. An undying oath of fealty from Johnson generally spells trouble for the counter-party.

    Armatas on Khreshchatyk by Christmas.
    BJ will be shagging another freedom loving Eastern European state at that point and trying to get them a job with the EU.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,525
    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    It's absolutely none of my business what people post on here, and generally I'm at the freedom of speech end of the spectrum. But there is a line to be drawn.

    So, how about an automatic ban on anybody who refers to other posters as 'mate' or 'pal'? Beyond the pale, in my view.

    I’m more confused by someone using both - in my life there are people who call others “mate” and others who use “pal” but don’t recall anyone using both - I always thought it was a regional thing with “pal” being more Northern and “mate” more south….

    I've used both depending on where I am. Mate in London, Pal in Scotland. Marra on Tyneside. I'm sure I have heard blokes calling each other Love elsewhere in the North, maybe Sheffield. Don't think I've used any on here though.
    It's a usage that I find odd, as usually "mate" or "pal" is used in a slightly hostile way, to mean its opposite.

    All fairly random though, and often get patients calling me "mate", "me duck", or even "my love". The last seems mostly to come from older Gujeratis rather than Bristolians in my part of the world. All part of life's rich tapestry.
    I remember an incident someone (Nick Clegg, i think) had in Liverpool, ingratiatingly greeting a random passer-by:

    Politician: Hello, friend!
    Liverpudlian: I'm not yer fooking friend.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    dixiedean said:

    Bloody hell!
    Even Leach has gone 20/20.

    England think they can win - they want to give themselves the time to do so.

    Might not work, but makes sense.

  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,785

    Nigelb said:

    DougSeal said:

    It's absolutely none of my business what people post on here, and generally I'm at the freedom of speech end of the spectrum. But there is a line to be drawn.

    So, how about an automatic ban on anybody who refers to other posters as 'mate' or 'pal'? Beyond the pale, in my view.

    A starting point certainly. I’ve noticed a surge of ‘chap’ as a term of online familiarity in the last decade, eg ‘you’ve done wonders restoring those magnesium alloy wheels, chap’. Summary execution in those cases.
    I’m pressing for the return of “Chum”. I thought it’s use by Leeroy Jenkins would popularise it but, sadly, 16 years on still no traction.
    Never mind, old boy.

    When I used to lead my beginners running group, I used to refer to all as ‘guys’, despite almost all being female. No one seemed to mind.
    I was listening to a podcast a while back and one of the men who presents it was talking about spending an agonising three hours in a meeting with other men trying to decide on an 'inclusive' gender-neutral term with no resolution.

    He went back home and had a brilliant idea! Why not ask his wife? So he did. And she replied 'Just say "you guys" - that's what I do!". His mind was blown.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    dixiedean said:

    Nigelb said:

    DougSeal said:

    It's absolutely none of my business what people post on here, and generally I'm at the freedom of speech end of the spectrum. But there is a line to be drawn.

    So, how about an automatic ban on anybody who refers to other posters as 'mate' or 'pal'? Beyond the pale, in my view.

    A starting point certainly. I’ve noticed a surge of ‘chap’ as a term of online familiarity in the last decade, eg ‘you’ve done wonders restoring those magnesium alloy wheels, chap’. Summary execution in those cases.
    I’m pressing for the return of “Chum”. I thought it’s use by Leeroy Jenkins would popularise it but, sadly, 16 years on still no traction.
    Never mind, old boy.

    When I used to lead my beginners running group, I used to refer to all as ‘guys’, despite almost all being female. No one seemed to mind.
    "Guys" took some getting used to when I moved to Canada.
    Generically and ubiquitously used for all plural groups regardless of gender.
    Even chipmunks, raccoons, and ants.
    I think I first heard "Hey, you guys!" in the cartoon Rugrats. The babies were both girls and boys.
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