Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

New poll has 59% want CON MPs to vote to remove BoJo – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited June 13 in General
imageNew poll has 59% want CON MPs to vote to remove BoJo – politicalbetting.com

An Opinium poll carried out this morning finds 59% saying Tory MPs should vote to remove PM with 28% saying they should vote to keep him. There were 13% saying Don’t know.

Read the full story here

«13456

Comments

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 71,238
    I have been nose to the grindstone working all over the long bank holiday....have i missed much?
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,120
    edited June 6

    Nigelb said:

    I wonder what prompted this ?

    https://twitter.com/AnushkaAsthana/status/1533736317296812032
    New- just seen an interesting email to MPs from Sir Graham Brady- who is running tonight’s confidence vote as chair of the 1922 committee. A big warning about it being confidential- and no pics of ballot papers to be taken or vote void

    Allegedly, Team Big Dog has been demanding loyalists prove their loyalty by breaking the secrecy of the ballot.

    Oh the laughs if Team Johnson void all their own supporters votes by demanding they try and take a sneaky photo!
    Do you remember when we had that rule in place last leadership election? Again the rumour that BoJo was asking loyalists to prove it?

    Pepperidge farm remembers.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 20,921
    “Bojo”?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 17,019
    Nadine Dorries to Jeremy Hunt:

    "Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    1/4 On afternoon of 23rd July 2020 when I was health minister you telephoned me to tell me that we had to handle the pandemic following the example set by the East/China. That people testing + should be removed from their homes and placed into isolation hotels for two weeks.

    2/4You said yr wife’s family had experience of this during SARS. I said that British people would never tolerate being removed from their homes and loved ones at which point you demanded I show you the evidence for that. Your handling of the pandemic would have been a disaster.

    3/4 Your pandemic preparation during six years as health secretary was found wanting and inadequate.Your duplicity right now in destabilising the party and country to serve your own personal ambition, more so.

    4/4You told others that PM and Gov would swiftly collapse on back of Brexit and you would swoop in. You told me as much in Victoria St after GE. If you had been leader you’d have handed the keys of No10 to Corbyn. You’ve been wrong about almost everything, you are wrong again now"

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1533763405844185088
  • LeonLeon Posts: 20,921
    Andy_JS said:

    Nadine Dorries to Jeremy Hunt:

    "Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    1/4 On afternoon of 23rd July 2020 when I was health minister you telephoned me to tell me that we had to handle the pandemic following the example set by the East/China. That people testing + should be removed from their homes and placed into isolation hotels for two weeks.

    2/4You said yr wife’s family had experience of this during SARS. I said that British people would never tolerate being removed from their homes and loved ones at which point you demanded I show you the evidence for that. Your handling of the pandemic would have been a disaster.

    3/4 Your pandemic preparation during six years as health secretary was found wanting and inadequate.Your duplicity right now in destabilising the party and country to serve your own personal ambition, more so.

    4/4You told others that PM and Gov would swiftly collapse on back of Brexit and you would swoop in. You told me as much in Victoria St after GE. If you had been leader you’d have handed the keys of No10 to Corbyn. You’ve been wrong about almost everything, you are wrong again now"

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1533763405844185088

    It’s an attempt by Dorries to hobble Hunt before he even starts running

    And I have to say, it is pretty damn effective. Ouch
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,120

    Iain Martin @iainmartin1

    This will be worrying Number 10. It's lunchtime, five hours until the vote, and they've only got to 82 public declarations of support.


    And not at all an unexpected VONC, so you'd expect the No 10 heavies to have already done over MPs. In other words, you'd expect that most of those going to make a public declaration of support would already have done so.

    Also worth remembering that in 1975 Ted Heath got fewer votes than he'd had public declarations of support!

    I wonder about the 82 - are they payroll? Surely some we should focus on more than others?

    Similar case for the rebels.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 3,633
    edited June 6

    Iain Martin @iainmartin1

    This will be worrying Number 10. It's lunchtime, five hours until the vote, and they've only got to 82 public declarations of support.


    And not at all an unexpected VONC, so you'd expect the No 10 heavies to have already done over MPs. In other words, you'd expect that most of those going to make a public declaration of support would already have done so.

    Also worth remembering that in 1975 Ted Heath got fewer votes than he'd had public declarations of support!

    This is why I think there's not only value, but also potential trading value in the odds on the VONC at present. Market likely to get twitchy later on unless there's a big increase in declared support.

    Edit: I don't particularly put too much weight on the declarations. Wisest thing is to say things in private, but not take a public position. "Yes, of course I'm going to back you Boris" and "I totally agree, Jeremy. Can't wait for him to be gone. Hope you're the successor if he does". But with a lack of actual data, the betting could move fast, as we've already seen.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,021

    Iain Martin @iainmartin1

    This will be worrying Number 10. It's lunchtime, five hours until the vote, and they've only got to 82 public declarations of support.


    And not at all an unexpected VONC, so you'd expect the No 10 heavies to have already done over MPs. In other words, you'd expect that most of those going to make a public declaration of support would already have done so.

    Also worth remembering that in 1975 Ted Heath got fewer votes than he'd had public declarations of support!

    I wonder about the 82 - are they payroll? Surely some we should focus on more than others?

    Similar case for the rebels.
    Yes, the vast majority of them are payroll.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 693
    If I was a potential leadership candidate I would be on the phone to Lord Frost, trying to get his endorsement.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 40,433

    Iain Martin @iainmartin1

    This will be worrying Number 10. It's lunchtime, five hours until the vote, and they've only got to 82 public declarations of support.


    And not at all an unexpected VONC, so you'd expect the No 10 heavies to have already done over MPs. In other words, you'd expect that most of those going to make a public declaration of support would already have done so.

    Also worth remembering that in 1975 Ted Heath got fewer votes than he'd had public declarations of support!

    How many MPs publicly backed Theresa May before her VONC? She survived by 200 to 117 in the vote.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 16,591

    Iain Martin @iainmartin1

    This will be worrying Number 10. It's lunchtime, five hours until the vote, and they've only got to 82 public declarations of support.


    And not at all an unexpected VONC, so you'd expect the No 10 heavies to have already done over MPs. In other words, you'd expect that most of those going to make a public declaration of support would already have done so.

    Also worth remembering that in 1975 Ted Heath got fewer votes than he'd had public declarations of support!

    They're holding out for a seat in the Lords. Expect them to show their hand shortly after afternoon tea.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,759

    I have been nose to the grindstone working all over the long bank holiday....have i missed much?

    No.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,120

    Iain Martin @iainmartin1

    This will be worrying Number 10. It's lunchtime, five hours until the vote, and they've only got to 82 public declarations of support.


    And not at all an unexpected VONC, so you'd expect the No 10 heavies to have already done over MPs. In other words, you'd expect that most of those going to make a public declaration of support would already have done so.

    Also worth remembering that in 1975 Ted Heath got fewer votes than he'd had public declarations of support!

    I wonder about the 82 - are they payroll? Surely some we should focus on more than others?

    Similar case for the rebels.
    Yes, the vast majority of them are payroll.
    Do we learn more from considering the others? Who are the swing votes?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 5,877
    Applicant said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    @PennyMordaunt
    Today I will be attending Portsmouth’s commemoration service to remember the efforts and sacrifice of #DDay. Privilege to have met so many who took part and proud of #Portsmouth role. #DDay78


    https://twitter.com/PennyMordaunt/status/1533727319466119169

    Classy from our next PM....
    Has due diligence been done on Mourdant? She would be a right wing leader, so not not a unifier in the party or someone whose idealism and instinct would be to tack to the centre?
    There is no chance the membership will elect anyone who is not as committed to a hard Brexit as Johnson is, in fact they just want someone who is more pro low taxes and low spending than Johnson as well and tougher on immigration and ideally less carbon net zero obsessed.

    So forget any leader winning who will be left of Johnson and anti Brexit
    But Johnson is being sacked today because he has messed up Brexit - it’s too hard and business want it watered down. that’s the truth underlying all this isn’t it, Tories have no choice now but to install a government to give business the changes they want to Brexit, in order to ever win again?
    Rubbish, you are deluded if you think the Tory membership will elect anyone who is not as pro hard a Brexit as Johnson if not more so.

    That is the Tory voting coalition primarily now, hard Leavers and lose them to Farage again and they would be left with nothing
    I’m DELUDED to see continued Brexit fault line in voters, MPs and party members, and deluded suspecting the new non Boris government may cuddle up to business again post Boris and tweak the current Brexit deal accordingly? 🙂
    It won't as Tory members will not elect a leader who wants to align to EU regulations again and certainly not one who would restore free movement.
    Let’s be clear what you are saying, because you are not being clear. None of the platforms laid out in the leadership election will look for improvements in current Brexit deal to help British business prosper and grow the economy? Or that some candidates will phrase it just like this, but then get splendidly rejected by MPs and Party Members for not swearing loyalty to keep Boris Brexit deal unscathed?

    So the Tory party remains at distance from Businesses and businesses needs? it remains ravaged in Remainia voting areas where it now cannot compete?

    You still think I’m deluded for thinking Brexit plays a part in this?
    It will certainly play a part.

    But it won't be the all-consuming issue that it was in 2019.
    The new leader inherits two problems, and they need to make them go away. Firstly the party doesn’t currently have a credible economic strategy or direction. Secondly, it has a poll slump, particularly on the remain side of the Brexit fault line that definitely exists out there today (unless you what to challenge that as statement of fact).

    The main thing determining problems 1 and 2 is Brexit, the current governments inability to challenge its own Brexit agreement and position - meaning the party is arms length from business and being able to compete and win the next general election.

    The only way it can solve those two problems is make a move on its current inability to tweak its Brexit positions.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,759
    Andy_JS said:

    Nadine Dorries to Jeremy Hunt:

    "Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    1/4 On afternoon of 23rd July 2020 when I was health minister you telephoned me to tell me that we had to handle the pandemic following the example set by the East/China. That people testing + should be removed from their homes and placed into isolation hotels for two weeks.

    2/4You said yr wife’s family had experience of this during SARS. I said that British people would never tolerate being removed from their homes and loved ones at which point you demanded I show you the evidence for that. Your handling of the pandemic would have been a disaster.

    3/4 Your pandemic preparation during six years as health secretary was found wanting and inadequate.Your duplicity right now in destabilising the party and country to serve your own personal ambition, more so.

    4/4You told others that PM and Gov would swiftly collapse on back of Brexit and you would swoop in. You told me as much in Victoria St after GE. If you had been leader you’d have handed the keys of No10 to Corbyn. You’ve been wrong about almost everything, you are wrong again now"

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1533763405844185088

    Tory civil war.
    Absolutely delicious.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 3,633
    Leon said:

    “Bojo”?

    Gojo!
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 737

    Iain Martin @iainmartin1

    This will be worrying Number 10. It's lunchtime, five hours until the vote, and they've only got to 82 public declarations of support.


    And not at all an unexpected VONC, so you'd expect the No 10 heavies to have already done over MPs. In other words, you'd expect that most of those going to make a public declaration of support would already have done so.

    Also worth remembering that in 1975 Ted Heath got fewer votes than he'd had public declarations of support!

    I wonder about the 82 - are they payroll? Surely some we should focus on more than others?

    Similar case for the rebels.
    Yes, the vast majority of them are payroll.
    You can be paid and still dislike your boss.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,759

    Iain Martin @iainmartin1

    This will be worrying Number 10. It's lunchtime, five hours until the vote, and they've only got to 82 public declarations of support.


    And not at all an unexpected VONC, so you'd expect the No 10 heavies to have already done over MPs. In other words, you'd expect that most of those going to make a public declaration of support would already have done so.

    Also worth remembering that in 1975 Ted Heath got fewer votes than he'd had public declarations of support!

    Not like Tory MPs ever lie.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,120
    edited June 6

    Iain Martin @iainmartin1

    This will be worrying Number 10. It's lunchtime, five hours until the vote, and they've only got to 82 public declarations of support.


    And not at all an unexpected VONC, so you'd expect the No 10 heavies to have already done over MPs. In other words, you'd expect that most of those going to make a public declaration of support would already have done so.

    Also worth remembering that in 1975 Ted Heath got fewer votes than he'd had public declarations of support!

    How many MPs publicly backed Theresa May before her VONC? She survived by 200 to 117 in the vote.
    John Stevens
    @johnestevens
    ·
    2m
    🚨 This will not ease nerves in Downing Street...

    By 12:16pm, Theresa May had got to the public backing of the 158 Tory MPs she needed to win confidence vote

    It is now 1pm and Boris Johnson is only up to 82

    Different conditions, mind. Tory benches well prepped last time.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 15,953
    MISTY said:

    If I was a potential leadership candidate I would be on the phone to Lord Frost, trying to get his endorsement.

    More relevant to hold a seance and get the endorsement of Sir David Frost.

    Hello, good evening, and welcome, Jeremy Hunt.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,138
    edited June 6
    FPT:
    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    JRM now going around telling MPs they will end up with a GE very soon if they vote Johnson out today.

    That doesn't make any sense at all, the new PM makes that decision.
    Given the return to the old way of calling an election - could Boris call one tomorrow for the Lols and what stops him doing so?
    The answer as already noted is 'The Palace' but giving a more fuller answer, this is probably the Lascelles principles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascelles_Principles
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 32,311
    Andy_JS said:

    Nadine Dorries to Jeremy Hunt:

    "Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    1/4 On afternoon of 23rd July 2020 when I was health minister you telephoned me to tell me that we had to handle the pandemic following the example set by the East/China. That people testing + should be removed from their homes and placed into isolation hotels for two weeks.

    2/4You said yr wife’s family had experience of this during SARS. I said that British people would never tolerate being removed from their homes and loved ones at which point you demanded I show you the evidence for that. Your handling of the pandemic would have been a disaster.

    3/4 Your pandemic preparation during six years as health secretary was found wanting and inadequate.Your duplicity right now in destabilising the party and country to serve your own personal ambition, more so.

    4/4You told others that PM and Gov would swiftly collapse on back of Brexit and you would swoop in. You told me as much in Victoria St after GE. If you had been leader you’d have handed the keys of No10 to Corbyn. You’ve been wrong about almost everything, you are wrong again now"

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1533763405844185088

    July 2020? I don't buy that. Possibly a viable policy in Feb 2020, but by July it had faded to allow EOTHO etc.

    I don't believe Mad Nad.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 22,453

    Andy_JS said:

    Nadine Dorries to Jeremy Hunt:

    "Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    1/4 On afternoon of 23rd July 2020 when I was health minister you telephoned me to tell me that we had to handle the pandemic following the example set by the East/China. That people testing + should be removed from their homes and placed into isolation hotels for two weeks.

    2/4You said yr wife’s family had experience of this during SARS. I said that British people would never tolerate being removed from their homes and loved ones at which point you demanded I show you the evidence for that. Your handling of the pandemic would have been a disaster.

    3/4 Your pandemic preparation during six years as health secretary was found wanting and inadequate.Your duplicity right now in destabilising the party and country to serve your own personal ambition, more so.

    4/4You told others that PM and Gov would swiftly collapse on back of Brexit and you would swoop in. You told me as much in Victoria St after GE. If you had been leader you’d have handed the keys of No10 to Corbyn. You’ve been wrong about almost everything, you are wrong again now"

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1533763405844185088

    Tory civil war.
    Absolutely delicious.
    Quite quick out of the mark with the smears, no?

    BUT ....

    What puzzles me is that Ms D has basically admitted that the Tories screwed the pooch on pandemic preparedness as a party of government.

    Also, furthermore, Mr Hunt was only Sec of S for Health till 2018; so she has said by implication that the Johnson administration did nothing, or at least nothing sufficient, to remedy this.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 22,453
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nadine Dorries to Jeremy Hunt:

    "Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    1/4 On afternoon of 23rd July 2020 when I was health minister you telephoned me to tell me that we had to handle the pandemic following the example set by the East/China. That people testing + should be removed from their homes and placed into isolation hotels for two weeks.

    2/4You said yr wife’s family had experience of this during SARS. I said that British people would never tolerate being removed from their homes and loved ones at which point you demanded I show you the evidence for that. Your handling of the pandemic would have been a disaster.

    3/4 Your pandemic preparation during six years as health secretary was found wanting and inadequate.Your duplicity right now in destabilising the party and country to serve your own personal ambition, more so.

    4/4You told others that PM and Gov would swiftly collapse on back of Brexit and you would swoop in. You told me as much in Victoria St after GE. If you had been leader you’d have handed the keys of No10 to Corbyn. You’ve been wrong about almost everything, you are wrong again now"

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1533763405844185088

    July 2020? I don't buy that. Possibly a viable policy in Feb 2020, but by July it had faded to allow EOTHO etc.

    I don't believe Mad Nad.
    That too. Very odd.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,138
    FPT:
    Scott_xP said:

    🚨 This will not ease nerves in Downing Street...

    By 12:16pm, Theresa May had got to the public backing of the 158 Tory MPs she needed to win confidence vote

    It is now 1pm and Boris Johnson is only up to 82


    https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1533775006051753986

    And its even worse. So TM made her 50% by 12.15pm.
    Johnson hasn't even got to 25% (as his vote is out of 359, whereas May was out of 316).

    He might win, but his authority will be completely shot.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 20,921
    I’m in a sunny little side-street in Old Town Tbilisi sipping a cold amber wine and someone is playing the piano under the fig tree and suddenly all the Georgians have burst into passionate song. It is melancholy yet sweet, harmonious yet rustic, moving and lovely

    I am going to miss this marvellous city
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 4,536
    Carnyx said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nadine Dorries to Jeremy Hunt:

    "Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    1/4 On afternoon of 23rd July 2020 when I was health minister you telephoned me to tell me that we had to handle the pandemic following the example set by the East/China. That people testing + should be removed from their homes and placed into isolation hotels for two weeks.

    2/4You said yr wife’s family had experience of this during SARS. I said that British people would never tolerate being removed from their homes and loved ones at which point you demanded I show you the evidence for that. Your handling of the pandemic would have been a disaster.

    3/4 Your pandemic preparation during six years as health secretary was found wanting and inadequate.Your duplicity right now in destabilising the party and country to serve your own personal ambition, more so.

    4/4You told others that PM and Gov would swiftly collapse on back of Brexit and you would swoop in. You told me as much in Victoria St after GE. If you had been leader you’d have handed the keys of No10 to Corbyn. You’ve been wrong about almost everything, you are wrong again now"

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1533763405844185088

    Tory civil war.
    Absolutely delicious.
    Quite quick out of the mark with the smears, no?

    BUT ....

    What puzzles me is that Ms D has basically admitted that the Tories screwed the pooch on pandemic preparedness as a party of government.

    Also, furthermore, Mr Hunt was only Sec of S for Health till 2018; so she has said by implication that the Johnson administration did nothing, or at least nothing sufficient, to remedy this.
    Why would they have done anything, realistically?

    The pandemic began within 6 months of the administration forming and in that time we had the Brexit dramas of the fag end of the Remain Parliament, negotiations and the General Election.

    Pandemic preparedness would not remotely have been on the radar.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 36,679
    The idea that Johnson would call an election in which he could quite possibly lose his own seat is for the fairies.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,120

    FPT:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨 This will not ease nerves in Downing Street...

    By 12:16pm, Theresa May had got to the public backing of the 158 Tory MPs she needed to win confidence vote

    It is now 1pm and Boris Johnson is only up to 82


    https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1533775006051753986

    And its even worse. So TM made her 50% by 12.15pm.
    Johnson hasn't even got to 25% (as his vote is out of 359, whereas May was out of 316).

    He might win, but his authority will be completely shot.
    Everyone moved quickly last time around, because the VONC was a long time coming. More complex issues this time around, I wouldn't rely on it too much,
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,759

    FPT:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨 This will not ease nerves in Downing Street...

    By 12:16pm, Theresa May had got to the public backing of the 158 Tory MPs she needed to win confidence vote

    It is now 1pm and Boris Johnson is only up to 82


    https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1533775006051753986

    And its even worse. So TM made her 50% by 12.15pm.
    Johnson hasn't even got to 25% (as his vote is out of 359, whereas May was out of 316).

    He might win, but his authority will be completely shot.
    I’m beginning to wonder if he might just lose this.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 34,892

    Iain Martin @iainmartin1

    This will be worrying Number 10. It's lunchtime, five hours until the vote, and they've only got to 82 public declarations of support.


    And not at all an unexpected VONC, so you'd expect the No 10 heavies to have already done over MPs. In other words, you'd expect that most of those going to make a public declaration of support would already have done so.

    Also worth remembering that in 1975 Ted Heath got fewer votes than he'd had public declarations of support!

    This is what's playing on their minds, it's why Team Pig Dog are asking for loyalty pics.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 15,953

    FPT:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨 This will not ease nerves in Downing Street...

    By 12:16pm, Theresa May had got to the public backing of the 158 Tory MPs she needed to win confidence vote

    It is now 1pm and Boris Johnson is only up to 82


    https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1533775006051753986

    And its even worse. So TM made her 50% by 12.15pm.
    Johnson hasn't even got to 25% (as his vote is out of 359, whereas May was out of 316).

    He might win, but his authority will be completely shot.
    I’m beginning to wonder if he might just lose this.
    Mr Dido Harding demanding Johnson's resignation has to be the end.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 55,112
    Labour on the case:

    Wes Streeting:
    Was ‘inadequate pandemic preparedness’ on the grid for ‘health week’
    @sajidjavid?


    https://twitter.com/wesstreeting/status/1533784470771449858
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 7,841

    FPT:

    eek said:

    MaxPB said:

    JRM now going around telling MPs they will end up with a GE very soon if they vote Johnson out today.

    That doesn't make any sense at all, the new PM makes that decision.
    Given the return to the old way of calling an election - could Boris call one tomorrow for the Lols and what stops him doing so?
    The answer as already noted is 'The Palace' but giving a more fuller answer, this is probably the Lascelles principles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascelles_Principles
    Ironically, as most of the opposition MPs would have agreed to a dissolution, it would have been easier for Boris to get a GE under the FTPA.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 15,953

    The idea that Johnson would call an election in which he could quite possibly lose his own seat is for the fairies.

    He may remain so out of touch that he believes the public are still on board with his Benny Hill tribute.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 6,371
    Cyclefree said:

    I see that Nadine Dorries is re-enacting the Charge of the Light Brigade (the Intellectually Light Brigade in her case) via the medium of Twitter.

    It is very nice of the Tories to give us this Whitehall Farce just after the Platinum Jubilee celebrations have ended.

    For whose benefit is Nadine tweeting? Surely no-one's mind is going to be made up by a tweet from Nadine? This strikes me as a tweet that is all cost, no benefit.
    Once again, I am amazed by the way those in the public eye feel unable to maintain a dignified silence on Twitter.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 55,112
    Peter, for those who say the MPs will never get rid of a leader who only 30 months ago won an 80 seat majority, perhaps they are too young to remember 1989, when Mrs. Thatcher was removed just 29 months after winning a majority of 102!

    https://twitter.com/FreeEnglishman1/status/1533747275280920576
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,138

    FPT:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨 This will not ease nerves in Downing Street...

    By 12:16pm, Theresa May had got to the public backing of the 158 Tory MPs she needed to win confidence vote

    It is now 1pm and Boris Johnson is only up to 82


    https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1533775006051753986

    And its even worse. So TM made her 50% by 12.15pm.
    Johnson hasn't even got to 25% (as his vote is out of 359, whereas May was out of 316).

    He might win, but his authority will be completely shot.
    I’m beginning to wonder if he might just lose this.
    So am I.

    I thought all these votes ended up with the leader 'winning' but basically forced to resign shortly afterwards because of the scale of the opposition within the party.

    Only IDS actually lost a vote straight out the gate, and he wasn't PM at the time.
  • gettingbettergettingbetter Posts: 336
    Will we see crossover in the betting before the vote? It is possible.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 6,969
    Carnyx said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nadine Dorries to Jeremy Hunt:

    "Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    1/4 On afternoon of 23rd July 2020 when I was health minister you telephoned me to tell me that we had to handle the pandemic following the example set by the East/China. That people testing + should be removed from their homes and placed into isolation hotels for two weeks.

    2/4You said yr wife’s family had experience of this during SARS. I said that British people would never tolerate being removed from their homes and loved ones at which point you demanded I show you the evidence for that. Your handling of the pandemic would have been a disaster.

    3/4 Your pandemic preparation during six years as health secretary was found wanting and inadequate.Your duplicity right now in destabilising the party and country to serve your own personal ambition, more so.

    4/4You told others that PM and Gov would swiftly collapse on back of Brexit and you would swoop in. You told me as much in Victoria St after GE. If you had been leader you’d have handed the keys of No10 to Corbyn. You’ve been wrong about almost everything, you are wrong again now"

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1533763405844185088

    Tory civil war.
    Absolutely delicious.
    Quite quick out of the mark with the smears, no?

    BUT ....

    What puzzles me is that Ms D has basically admitted that the Tories screwed the pooch on pandemic preparedness as a party of government.

    Also, furthermore, Mr Hunt was only Sec of S for Health till 2018; so she has said by implication that the Johnson administration did nothing, or at least nothing sufficient, to remedy this.
    Don't be puzzled. This is a government of knaves and fools, reacting emotionally as they are being abandoned on the battlefield by their own troops.

    It's all about malicious incompetence now.
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 76
    Cyclefree said:

    I see that Nadine Dorries is re-enacting the Charge of the Light Brigade (the Intellectually Light Brigade in her case) via the medium of Twitter.

    It is very nice of the Tories to give us this Whitehall Farce just after the Platinum Jubilee celebrations have ended.

    I have a close relative who works directly with Dorries. She (my relative) has only been in post for a few months, but is already resorting to almost Trumpian levels of simplification in her presentations and reports.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 3,399
    To link with an RIP story

    "Woah oh! Living on a Prayer"
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 34,728
    Oh people are over here, are they.

    fpt

    Are we going to do a tally of who on PB thinks what.

    I think Boris loses. My reasoning is that it will (indeed has already been) one damn thing after another and if they keep him it is only a matter of time before he Borises up again and we are back to where we started all the while the polls tanking.

    He has tainted the party and although has had successes that was then and we are left with a very flawed leader.*

    Took the 5.1 bf at modest levels.

    *Of course we always were but it is becoming more transparent to people by the day.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 55,112
    Did PM’s allies put some letters in? Timing is good. Monday, when everyone’s hurrying back from hols with no time to plot, and before two by-elections that are bound to go belly up. A colleague says: “No 10 aren’t that clever.”

    https://twitter.com/timothy_stanley/status/1533787018408361984
  • eekeek Posts: 19,260
    MaxPB said:

    Iain Martin @iainmartin1

    This will be worrying Number 10. It's lunchtime, five hours until the vote, and they've only got to 82 public declarations of support.


    And not at all an unexpected VONC, so you'd expect the No 10 heavies to have already done over MPs. In other words, you'd expect that most of those going to make a public declaration of support would already have done so.

    Also worth remembering that in 1975 Ted Heath got fewer votes than he'd had public declarations of support!

    This is what's playing on their minds, it's why Team Pig Dog are asking for loyalty pics.
    Supposedly that's banned - where photos are taken the vote is voided.

    image
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 44,851

    FPT:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨 This will not ease nerves in Downing Street...

    By 12:16pm, Theresa May had got to the public backing of the 158 Tory MPs she needed to win confidence vote

    It is now 1pm and Boris Johnson is only up to 82


    https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1533775006051753986

    And its even worse. So TM made her 50% by 12.15pm.
    Johnson hasn't even got to 25% (as his vote is out of 359, whereas May was out of 316).

    He might win, but his authority will be completely shot.
    Both Rebels and Government are both giving a range of 130-170 MPs against so he very probably "wins".
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,120
    Anyone here backing Boris to stay at 1.3?
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,106
    Cookie said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I see that Nadine Dorries is re-enacting the Charge of the Light Brigade (the Intellectually Light Brigade in her case) via the medium of Twitter.

    It is very nice of the Tories to give us this Whitehall Farce just after the Platinum Jubilee celebrations have ended.

    For whose benefit is Nadine tweeting? Surely no-one's mind is going to be made up by a tweet from Nadine? This strikes me as a tweet that is all cost, no benefit.
    Once again, I am amazed by the way those in the public eye feel unable to maintain a dignified silence on Twitter.
    To me it is obvious. If BJ does emerge from this in one piece and carries on as PM, then she has shown her absolute loyalty and is likely to continue as a member of the Cabinet.

    If not, then definitely not, I think. She has nothing to lose.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 55,112
    Chris Mason R4 says Mad Nads rant has edged some MPs into the no confidence camp….
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 40,433

    Chris Mason R4 says Mad Nads rant has edged some MPs into the no confidence camp….

    Because it reassured them that Hunt can't win?
  • JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 522
    My golden groat in the ring :

    Surprised that the declarations of support for Boris are so low, especially allowing for the payroll vote. With this in mind I think many are staying their hand for fear of the backlash from constituents who have been bending their MP's ear over the recess.

    My hope is that there are enough Conservative MP's who still recall what the meaning of honour, decency, honesty and true leadership actually means. My expectation is that the tenant of 10 Downing Street will receive a temporary reprieve and the whole sorry and grotesque saga will drag on to the detriment of the nation.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,120

    Chris Mason R4 says Mad Nads rant has edged some MPs into the no confidence camp….

    Because it reassured them that Hunt can't win?
    Can't think it swung many votes, but will have firmed some up.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 17,019
    MaxPB said:

    Iain Martin @iainmartin1

    This will be worrying Number 10. It's lunchtime, five hours until the vote, and they've only got to 82 public declarations of support.


    And not at all an unexpected VONC, so you'd expect the No 10 heavies to have already done over MPs. In other words, you'd expect that most of those going to make a public declaration of support would already have done so.

    Also worth remembering that in 1975 Ted Heath got fewer votes than he'd had public declarations of support!

    This is what's playing on their minds, it's why Team Pig Dog are asking for loyalty pics.
    Team Pig Dog, lol.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 17,001
    TOPPING said:

    Oh people are over here, are they.

    fpt

    Are we going to do a tally of who on PB thinks what.

    I think Boris loses. My reasoning is that it will (indeed has already been) one damn thing after another and if they keep him it is only a matter of time before he Borises up again and we are back to where we started all the while the polls tanking.

    He has tainted the party and although has had successes that was then and we are left with a very flawed leader.*

    Took the 5.1 bf at modest levels.

    *Of course we always were but it is becoming more transparent to people by the day.

    Loses

    Would bet but cannot do so in Sicily
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,063
    Wait, what?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-61703174

    South Africans have condemned Irish airline Ryanair for making them take a test in the Afrikaans language on UK flights, calling it discriminatory.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 6,028
    How many non-payroll votes does Boris have?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 17,019
    Cookie said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I see that Nadine Dorries is re-enacting the Charge of the Light Brigade (the Intellectually Light Brigade in her case) via the medium of Twitter.

    It is very nice of the Tories to give us this Whitehall Farce just after the Platinum Jubilee celebrations have ended.

    For whose benefit is Nadine tweeting? Surely no-one's mind is going to be made up by a tweet from Nadine? This strikes me as a tweet that is all cost, no benefit.
    Once again, I am amazed by the way those in the public eye feel unable to maintain a dignified silence on Twitter.
    It could be in order to try to get those Brexit-supporting MPs who've said they're voting against Johnson to change their minds again. People like IDS and John Baron.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,070
    ...
  • CookieCookie Posts: 6,371
    TOPPING said:

    Oh people are over here, are they.

    fpt

    Are we going to do a tally of who on PB thinks what.

    I think Boris loses. My reasoning is that it will (indeed has already been) one damn thing after another and if they keep him it is only a matter of time before he Borises up again and we are back to where we started all the while the polls tanking.

    He has tainted the party and although has had successes that was then and we are left with a very flawed leader.*

    Took the 5.1 bf at modest levels.

    *Of course we always were but it is becoming more transparent to people by the day.

    Laughing at your opening comment. We've been here for nearly an hour.
    But just checking in on the last thread, we appear to have had active threads going concurrently for some time. How odd.

    Anyway, my view is that, disappointingly, Boris survives, for now - about 60:40. Too easy to extrapolate from those MPs making the most noise or reported with the most excitement.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 20,935

    FPT:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨 This will not ease nerves in Downing Street...

    By 12:16pm, Theresa May had got to the public backing of the 158 Tory MPs she needed to win confidence vote

    It is now 1pm and Boris Johnson is only up to 82


    https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1533775006051753986

    And its even worse. So TM made her 50% by 12.15pm.
    Johnson hasn't even got to 25% (as his vote is out of 359, whereas May was out of 316).

    He might win, but his authority will be completely shot.
    I’m beginning to wonder if he might just lose this.
    Mr Dido Harding demanding Johnson's resignation has to be the end.
    There will be no white flag above my head.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,483
    edited June 6
    Is it possible that Boris will announce at 4pm when he addresses Tory MP's that he plans to stand down before the next General Eelction in a play to buy himself a bit more time as PM? I don't think this is likely and could easily backfire. But a possibility??
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 7,250
    Applicant said:

    Wait, what?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-61703174

    South Africans have condemned Irish airline Ryanair for making them take a test in the Afrikaans language on UK flights, calling it discriminatory.

    It is discriminatory. It's a provision criteria or practice that disadvantages black South Africans and is not a proportionate means of achieving the supposedly legitimate aim Ryanair say it is intended to achieve. Not sure whether or not they have EqA 2010 coverage if they buy their tickets from SA though.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,701
    I've also partaken in a YouGov Tory leadership poll.

    They asked beforehand that I was still a Tory member.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 20,935
    IshmaelZ said:

    TOPPING said:

    Oh people are over here, are they.

    fpt

    Are we going to do a tally of who on PB thinks what.

    I think Boris loses. My reasoning is that it will (indeed has already been) one damn thing after another and if they keep him it is only a matter of time before he Borises up again and we are back to where we started all the while the polls tanking.

    He has tainted the party and although has had successes that was then and we are left with a very flawed leader.*

    Took the 5.1 bf at modest levels.

    *Of course we always were but it is becoming more transparent to people by the day.

    Loses

    Would bet but cannot do so in Sicily
    I'm in the lose camp too. But wouldn't be surprised to be wrong.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,120
    IshmaelZ said:

    TOPPING said:

    Oh people are over here, are they.

    fpt

    Are we going to do a tally of who on PB thinks what.

    I think Boris loses. My reasoning is that it will (indeed has already been) one damn thing after another and if they keep him it is only a matter of time before he Borises up again and we are back to where we started all the while the polls tanking.

    He has tainted the party and although has had successes that was then and we are left with a very flawed leader.*

    Took the 5.1 bf at modest levels.

    *Of course we always were but it is becoming more transparent to people by the day.

    Loses

    Would bet but cannot do so in Sicily
    Back to 4.2 (I know you can't see this)

    I am happy to put small stakes on for you if you want.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 6,371
    Andy_JS said:

    Cookie said:

    Cyclefree said:

    I see that Nadine Dorries is re-enacting the Charge of the Light Brigade (the Intellectually Light Brigade in her case) via the medium of Twitter.

    It is very nice of the Tories to give us this Whitehall Farce just after the Platinum Jubilee celebrations have ended.

    For whose benefit is Nadine tweeting? Surely no-one's mind is going to be made up by a tweet from Nadine? This strikes me as a tweet that is all cost, no benefit.
    Once again, I am amazed by the way those in the public eye feel unable to maintain a dignified silence on Twitter.
    It could be in order to try to get those Brexit-supporting MPs who've said they're voting against Johnson to change their minds again. People like IDS and John Baron.
    Well yes, but if that were her aim a judiciously worded private message, or a message in the Tory MPs whatsapp group would be better.
    I think PClipp's explanation is probably the right one.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,070
    The absolute state of this.

    A Cabinet Minister now admitting the Conservative Government failed to prepare our country for a pandemic in which 180,000 people in the UK died.

    They failed to keep us safe.

    You just can’t trust them.

    https://twitter.com/AngelaRayner/status/1533768088176533506
    https://twitter.com/nadinedorries/status/1533763409627566080
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 18,484
    TOPPING said:

    Oh people are over here, are they.

    fpt

    Are we going to do a tally of who on PB thinks what.

    I think Boris loses. My reasoning is that it will (indeed has already been) one damn thing after another and if they keep him it is only a matter of time before he Borises up again and we are back to where we started all the while the polls tanking.

    He has tainted the party and although has had successes that was then and we are left with a very flawed leader.*

    Took the 5.1 bf at modest levels.

    *Of course we always were but it is becoming more transparent to people by the day.

    I'm sticking my head above the parapet to say that he will resign after the Confidence vote. But there are two scenarios how this happens:
    1. He wins, but the vote against is 150ish. Downing Street fires up the "that draws a line under it, lets move on" script, but we hear from MPs who just voted for him that they don't think he can credibly cling on like that. The clamour builds and he quits later this week
    2. He loses. Several signs that this is possible - very slow build of open support, self-harm acts by pro-Boris loons like Elphicke and Dorries etc
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 5,483

    FPT:

    Scott_xP said:

    🚨 This will not ease nerves in Downing Street...

    By 12:16pm, Theresa May had got to the public backing of the 158 Tory MPs she needed to win confidence vote

    It is now 1pm and Boris Johnson is only up to 82


    https://twitter.com/johnestevens/status/1533775006051753986

    And its even worse. So TM made her 50% by 12.15pm.
    Johnson hasn't even got to 25% (as his vote is out of 359, whereas May was out of 316).

    He might win, but his authority will be completely shot.
    I’m beginning to wonder if he might just lose this.
    So am I.

    I thought all these votes ended up with the leader 'winning' but basically forced to resign shortly afterwards because of the scale of the opposition within the party.

    Only IDS actually lost a vote straight out the gate, and he wasn't PM at the time.
    I think he will lose today, and have modestly backed this view.

  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,120

    TOPPING said:

    Oh people are over here, are they.

    fpt

    Are we going to do a tally of who on PB thinks what.

    I think Boris loses. My reasoning is that it will (indeed has already been) one damn thing after another and if they keep him it is only a matter of time before he Borises up again and we are back to where we started all the while the polls tanking.

    He has tainted the party and although has had successes that was then and we are left with a very flawed leader.*

    Took the 5.1 bf at modest levels.

    *Of course we always were but it is becoming more transparent to people by the day.

    I'm sticking my head above the parapet to say that he will resign after the Confidence vote. But there are two scenarios how this happens:
    1. He wins, but the vote against is 150ish. Downing Street fires up the "that draws a line under it, lets move on" script, but we hear from MPs who just voted for him that they don't think he can credibly cling on like that. The clamour builds and he quits later this week
    2. He loses. Several signs that this is possible - very slow build of open support, self-harm acts by pro-Boris loons like Elphicke and Dorries etc
    Is it officially a resignation if he loses? Or is he just out?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,070
    Hearing Sir Graham and the 22 team has been telling MPs NOT to take pictures of their ballots to prove loyalty to the PM or they could be ruled null and void

    A few MPs expected to vote by proxy as they're away/can't get back to Westminster

    https://twitter.com/NatashaC/status/1533792298475171842
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,070
    Today is not about Brexit it is only about whether or not colleagues feel the PM is the fit and proper person to be in No10.

    Unsurprisingly, I do not believe he is and I will therefore be voting against the PM tonight.

    https://twitter.com/AnthonyMangnal1/status/1533791212922093568
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,070
    Dorries is about to give an interview to @BethRigby. 👀👀👀
    https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1533792386152898562
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,003
    The pro Johnson support not exactly overwhelming, is it?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 17,019
    "Kate Ferguson
    @kateferguson4

    I understand the Tory MP accused of rape will be allowed to vote in today's confidence vote in Boris Johnson.
    It is because he has not had the whip suspended"

    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1533754523604361218
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 17,019
    edited June 6
    edit
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,063
    DougSeal said:

    Applicant said:

    Wait, what?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-61703174

    South Africans have condemned Irish airline Ryanair for making them take a test in the Afrikaans language on UK flights, calling it discriminatory.

    It is discriminatory. It's a provision criteria or practice that disadvantages black South Africans and is not a proportionate means of achieving the supposedly legitimate aim Ryanair say it is intended to achieve. Not sure whether or not they have EqA 2010 coverage if they buy their tickets from SA though.
    Oh, yeah, my "WTF?" was at why Ryanair thought this might be at all appropriate.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,139
    If Boris and his team are seriously concerned that he is definitely going to lose the vote of confidence, could we see his resignation before the vote tonight? I suspect that there will be more Conservative MPs who were sitting on the fence unable to vote to shore him up than those who are now willing to keep him in place in the short term now the decisive moment has arrived.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 1,082

    Carnyx said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nadine Dorries to Jeremy Hunt:

    "Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    1/4 On afternoon of 23rd July 2020 when I was health minister you telephoned me to tell me that we had to handle the pandemic following the example set by the East/China. That people testing + should be removed from their homes and placed into isolation hotels for two weeks.

    2/4You said yr wife’s family had experience of this during SARS. I said that British people would never tolerate being removed from their homes and loved ones at which point you demanded I show you the evidence for that. Your handling of the pandemic would have been a disaster.

    3/4 Your pandemic preparation during six years as health secretary was found wanting and inadequate.Your duplicity right now in destabilising the party and country to serve your own personal ambition, more so.

    4/4You told others that PM and Gov would swiftly collapse on back of Brexit and you would swoop in. You told me as much in Victoria St after GE. If you had been leader you’d have handed the keys of No10 to Corbyn. You’ve been wrong about almost everything, you are wrong again now"

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1533763405844185088

    Tory civil war.
    Absolutely delicious.
    Quite quick out of the mark with the smears, no?

    BUT ....

    What puzzles me is that Ms D has basically admitted that the Tories screwed the pooch on pandemic preparedness as a party of government.

    Also, furthermore, Mr Hunt was only Sec of S for Health till 2018; so she has said by implication that the Johnson administration did nothing, or at least nothing sufficient, to remedy this.
    Why would they have done anything, realistically?

    The pandemic began within 6 months of the administration forming and in that time we had the Brexit dramas of the fag end of the Remain Parliament, negotiations and the General Election.

    Pandemic preparedness would not remotely have been on the radar.
    Pandemic preparedness should always be on the radar, just as a war should always be on the radar.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 7,250

    TOPPING said:

    Oh people are over here, are they.

    fpt

    Are we going to do a tally of who on PB thinks what.

    I think Boris loses. My reasoning is that it will (indeed has already been) one damn thing after another and if they keep him it is only a matter of time before he Borises up again and we are back to where we started all the while the polls tanking.

    He has tainted the party and although has had successes that was then and we are left with a very flawed leader.*

    Took the 5.1 bf at modest levels.

    *Of course we always were but it is becoming more transparent to people by the day.

    I'm sticking my head above the parapet to say that he will resign after the Confidence vote. But there are two scenarios how this happens:
    1. He wins, but the vote against is 150ish. Downing Street fires up the "that draws a line under it, lets move on" script, but we hear from MPs who just voted for him that they don't think he can credibly cling on like that. The clamour builds and he quits later this week
    2. He loses. Several signs that this is possible - very slow build of open support, self-harm acts by pro-Boris loons like Elphicke and Dorries etc
    Is it officially a resignation if he loses? Or is he just out?
    Constitutionally, a vote of no-confidence should mean he no longer has the confidence of the majority party in the Commons, and thus should tender his resignation to HMQ. However, he could hang on, forcing a VONC in the Commons and a constitutional crisis.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 18,484

    TOPPING said:

    Oh people are over here, are they.

    fpt

    Are we going to do a tally of who on PB thinks what.

    I think Boris loses. My reasoning is that it will (indeed has already been) one damn thing after another and if they keep him it is only a matter of time before he Borises up again and we are back to where we started all the while the polls tanking.

    He has tainted the party and although has had successes that was then and we are left with a very flawed leader.*

    Took the 5.1 bf at modest levels.

    *Of course we always were but it is becoming more transparent to people by the day.

    I'm sticking my head above the parapet to say that he will resign after the Confidence vote. But there are two scenarios how this happens:
    1. He wins, but the vote against is 150ish. Downing Street fires up the "that draws a line under it, lets move on" script, but we hear from MPs who just voted for him that they don't think he can credibly cling on like that. The clamour builds and he quits later this week
    2. He loses. Several signs that this is possible - very slow build of open support, self-harm acts by pro-Boris loons like Elphicke and Dorries etc
    Is it officially a resignation if he loses? Or is he just out?
    A valid question - I'm sure they all say "as I no longer have the confidence of my colleagues I will resign as leader" or words to that effect. But I don't know for sure.
  • JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 522
    Andy_JS said:

    "Kate Ferguson
    @kateferguson4

    I understand the Tory MP accused of rape will be allowed to vote in today's confidence vote in Boris Johnson.
    It is because he has not had the whip suspended"

    https://twitter.com/kateferguson4/status/1533754523604361218

    Imagine if it's the vote that helps Boris over the line ?!? .. :astonished:
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 101,701
    I see the cowardly PM is hiding in Downing Street and didn't come out to greet the Estonian Prime Minister.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,211
    I think Boris loses by 5-10.

    I've just laid his winning on BF.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 2,003

    I see the cowardly PM is hiding in Downing Street and didn't come out to greet the Estonian Prime Minister.

    HE’S FOCUSED ON THE DAY JOB..

    (Presumably hiding in a fridge)
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,063
    edited June 6

    Carnyx said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nadine Dorries to Jeremy Hunt:

    "Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    1/4 On afternoon of 23rd July 2020 when I was health minister you telephoned me to tell me that we had to handle the pandemic following the example set by the East/China. That people testing + should be removed from their homes and placed into isolation hotels for two weeks.

    2/4You said yr wife’s family had experience of this during SARS. I said that British people would never tolerate being removed from their homes and loved ones at which point you demanded I show you the evidence for that. Your handling of the pandemic would have been a disaster.

    3/4 Your pandemic preparation during six years as health secretary was found wanting and inadequate.Your duplicity right now in destabilising the party and country to serve your own personal ambition, more so.

    4/4You told others that PM and Gov would swiftly collapse on back of Brexit and you would swoop in. You told me as much in Victoria St after GE. If you had been leader you’d have handed the keys of No10 to Corbyn. You’ve been wrong about almost everything, you are wrong again now"

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1533763405844185088

    Tory civil war.
    Absolutely delicious.
    Quite quick out of the mark with the smears, no?

    BUT ....

    What puzzles me is that Ms D has basically admitted that the Tories screwed the pooch on pandemic preparedness as a party of government.

    Also, furthermore, Mr Hunt was only Sec of S for Health till 2018; so she has said by implication that the Johnson administration did nothing, or at least nothing sufficient, to remedy this.
    Why would they have done anything, realistically?

    The pandemic began within 6 months of the administration forming and in that time we had the Brexit dramas of the fag end of the Remain Parliament, negotiations and the General Election.

    Pandemic preparedness would not remotely have been on the radar.
    Pandemic preparedness should always be on the radar, just as a war should always be on the radar.
    Right. But the point is that there was a perfectly viable pandemic preparedness plan, which Boris (panicked by the photos coming out of Italy) chucked in the bin under pressure from the media. The problem wasn't the planning, the problem was the panic.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 2,515
    edited June 6
    I started this morning thinking he'd win comfortably, but on current trajectory I think it is down to winning fairly narrowly. Too many people openly saying they'll vote to get rid of him, and relatively slow take-up on the support side. Not convinced yet there's enough to oust him today, but he's not going to win by a comfortable margin.

    Reasonably after that you'd expect anyone else to realise the game's up, do the honourable thing and resign anyway, but Boris won't. They'll have to prise him out. So I reckon the Tories will spend the next several months with a lame duck PM who only relatively narrowly scraped through a confidence vote but who then pretended nothing had happened.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 1,082
    DougSeal said:

    TOPPING said:

    Oh people are over here, are they.

    fpt

    Are we going to do a tally of who on PB thinks what.

    I think Boris loses. My reasoning is that it will (indeed has already been) one damn thing after another and if they keep him it is only a matter of time before he Borises up again and we are back to where we started all the while the polls tanking.

    He has tainted the party and although has had successes that was then and we are left with a very flawed leader.*

    Took the 5.1 bf at modest levels.

    *Of course we always were but it is becoming more transparent to people by the day.

    I'm sticking my head above the parapet to say that he will resign after the Confidence vote. But there are two scenarios how this happens:
    1. He wins, but the vote against is 150ish. Downing Street fires up the "that draws a line under it, lets move on" script, but we hear from MPs who just voted for him that they don't think he can credibly cling on like that. The clamour builds and he quits later this week
    2. He loses. Several signs that this is possible - very slow build of open support, self-harm acts by pro-Boris loons like Elphicke and Dorries etc
    Is it officially a resignation if he loses? Or is he just out?
    Constitutionally, a vote of no-confidence should mean he no longer has the confidence of the majority party in the Commons, and thus should tender his resignation to HMQ. However, he could hang on, forcing a VONC in the Commons and a constitutional crisis.
    It is possible for an outgoing leader to have lost the confidence of the party as a permanent leader, but for the party to retain their confidence in the individual being PM while a new leader is selected.

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 22,070

    I see the cowardly PM is hiding in Downing Street and didn't come out to greet the Estonian Prime Minister.

    A blond-haired prime minister whose government could collapse within hours just spotted going into Number 10…

    (Johnson meeting Estonian PM Kaja Kallas today - unfortunate timing for both, but within limits).

    First of many rolling piss takes here.


    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-vote-no-confidence-carrie-b2094851.html https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1533794354342551558/photo/1
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 17,019

    How many non-payroll votes does Boris have?

    Around 50 probably.
  • eekeek Posts: 19,260
    Mortimer said:

    I think Boris loses by 5-10.

    I've just laid his winning on BF.

    I think Bozo wins by 5-10 which in his world is reason enough to remain PM even as it kicks off an almighty Tory party civil war..
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 91
    Pro_Rata said:

    To link with an RIP story

    "Woah oh! Living on a Prayer"
    Or...

    'I'm going down...on a bed..with Dories'
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 1,082

    I see the cowardly PM is hiding in Downing Street and didn't come out to greet the Estonian Prime Minister.

    You should’ve said that the Etonian Prime Minister didn’t come out to meet the Estonian Prime Minister!
This discussion has been closed.