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Hunt takes clear lead in the next CON leader betting – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited June 5 in General
imageHunt takes clear lead in the next CON leader betting – politicalbetting.com

With just a possibility that we might soon be seeing a Conservative leadership contest the former Health Secretary and the one who made the final two last time, Jeremy Hunt, is now the clear favourite.

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  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,216
    Test
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 13,821
    edited June 1
    Just over 5/1 on Betfair for next leader and next prime minister.

    ETA although according to Oddschecker, you can get better prices by shopping around the books.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 17,893
    Hunt is too normal for the job.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 98,947
    Ludicrous, Hunt got just 33% with Conservative members in 2019.

    Hunt also is on -31% with the public on whether he has what it takes to be a good PM, even worse than Boris on -25% and miles behind Wallace on -12% or Javid on -22% and only ahead of Raab, Gove and Patel amongst top tier Tories

    https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2022-04/Ipsos April 2022 Political Monitor_290422_PUBLIC.pdf
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 16,020
    edited June 1
    HYUFD said:

    Ludicrous, Hunt got just 33% with Conservative members in 2019.

    Right, and a bunch of those 33% have since left the party in disgust.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 15,957
    Jonathan said:

    Hunt is too normal for the job.

    I met him when he was FS. He really wasn't that normal then. He has had a very good pandemic though.

    On Isam's (late of this parish) charisma quotient, neither Hunt not any of the other runners and riders are much more exciting than Starmer.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 13,152
    Andy_JS said:
    23 Yes; 27 Suspected.
    Hmmm.
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,191
    the old rule used to be that the Tory favourite would never win...(until BJ) and I think this will apply, its hard to gauge what might happen (big might) but I cant see how the MPs would split... I jus cant see Hunt making it (though I think he'd be ok at the job)
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 274
    I have to like a man who says one of his heroes is William Wilberforce.

    What do you folks know about Lucia Guo?
  • PensfoldPensfold Posts: 167

    Test

    An instruction or looking forward to the contest with New Zealand?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 17,020
    John Gray in the New Statesman.

    "As things stand, Starmer could become prime minister from sheer Tory inanition. Johnson seems bent on continuing his lurch to defeat and a lucrative career impersonating himself in after-dinner speeches. Yet Labour could still be thwarted if Conservative MPs can rouse themselves from fear and torpor. Deposing Johnson and installing any one of his rivals would be a sign they are serious about staying in power. The prospect of some form of proportional voting for Westminster, which could lock the Tories out of government indefinitely, could be averted or postponed."

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/05/tony-blairs-new-centrist-project-shows-he-and-his-acolytes-have-learned-nothing
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 45,382
    Andy_JS said:

    John Gray in the New Statesman.

    "As things stand, Starmer could become prime minister from sheer Tory inanition. Johnson seems bent on continuing his lurch to defeat and a lucrative career impersonating himself in after-dinner speeches. Yet Labour could still be thwarted if Conservative MPs can rouse themselves from fear and torpor. Deposing Johnson and installing any one of his rivals would be a sign they are serious about staying in power. The prospect of some form of proportional voting for Westminster, which could lock the Tories out of government indefinitely, could be averted or postponed."

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/05/tony-blairs-new-centrist-project-shows-he-and-his-acolytes-have-learned-nothing

    Sometimes I think John Gray is a bit of an idiot.

    Does he really think that PR would result in a permanent center left monopoly or power in the UK?
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,191
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    John Gray in the New Statesman.

    "As things stand, Starmer could become prime minister from sheer Tory inanition. Johnson seems bent on continuing his lurch to defeat and a lucrative career impersonating himself in after-dinner speeches. Yet Labour could still be thwarted if Conservative MPs can rouse themselves from fear and torpor. Deposing Johnson and installing any one of his rivals would be a sign they are serious about staying in power. The prospect of some form of proportional voting for Westminster, which could lock the Tories out of government indefinitely, could be averted or postponed."

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/05/tony-blairs-new-centrist-project-shows-he-and-his-acolytes-have-learned-nothing

    Sometimes I think John Gray is a bit of an idiot.

    Does he really think that PR would result in a permanent center left monopoly or power in the UK?
    Judging by Labour's approach to the referendum on electoral reform in 2012 I wont hold my breath....
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 13,152
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    John Gray in the New Statesman.

    "As things stand, Starmer could become prime minister from sheer Tory inanition. Johnson seems bent on continuing his lurch to defeat and a lucrative career impersonating himself in after-dinner speeches. Yet Labour could still be thwarted if Conservative MPs can rouse themselves from fear and torpor. Deposing Johnson and installing any one of his rivals would be a sign they are serious about staying in power. The prospect of some form of proportional voting for Westminster, which could lock the Tories out of government indefinitely, could be averted or postponed."

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/05/tony-blairs-new-centrist-project-shows-he-and-his-acolytes-have-learned-nothing

    Sometimes I think John Gray is a bit of an idiot.

    Does he really think that PR would result in a permanent center left monopoly or power in the UK?
    Judging by Labour's approach to the referendum on electoral reform in 2012 I wont hold my breath....
    If the UK were to move to some form of multi member PR (which I am somewhat doubtful of, but that's another story), then the existing political parties would all likely end up splitting.

    We only have the parties we have, because of the electoral system we have.
    Doubtful.

    If NZ is any guide, the resultant situation would still be Con and Lab as the major parties, with Green and LD as minors. Reform too, but would need charismatic leadership

    There would certainly be some breakaway parties but the lesson from NZ is that these are very very difficult to sustain unless they talk to a genuine political cleavage in the electorate.
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,191

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    John Gray in the New Statesman.

    "As things stand, Starmer could become prime minister from sheer Tory inanition. Johnson seems bent on continuing his lurch to defeat and a lucrative career impersonating himself in after-dinner speeches. Yet Labour could still be thwarted if Conservative MPs can rouse themselves from fear and torpor. Deposing Johnson and installing any one of his rivals would be a sign they are serious about staying in power. The prospect of some form of proportional voting for Westminster, which could lock the Tories out of government indefinitely, could be averted or postponed."

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/05/tony-blairs-new-centrist-project-shows-he-and-his-acolytes-have-learned-nothing

    Sometimes I think John Gray is a bit of an idiot.

    Does he really think that PR would result in a permanent center left monopoly or power in the UK?
    Judging by Labour's approach to the referendum on electoral reform in 2012 I wont hold my breath....
    If the UK were to move to some form of multi member PR (which I am somewhat doubtful of, but that's another story), then the existing political parties would all likely end up splitting.

    We only have the parties we have, because of the electoral system we have.
    Doubtful.

    If NZ is any guide, the resultant situation would still be Con and Lab as the major parties, with Green and LD as minors. Reform too, but would need charismatic leadership

    There would certainly be some breakaway parties but the lesson from NZ is that these are very very difficult to sustain unless they talk to a genuine political cleavage in the electorate.
    it'd change the Scottish situation though,,,
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,761
    Why is Twitter full of speculation about Carrie and Boris Johnson divorcing? Have I missed something? After a quick search I cannot see anything in the establishment media.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,603
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    John Gray in the New Statesman.

    "As things stand, Starmer could become prime minister from sheer Tory inanition. Johnson seems bent on continuing his lurch to defeat and a lucrative career impersonating himself in after-dinner speeches. Yet Labour could still be thwarted if Conservative MPs can rouse themselves from fear and torpor. Deposing Johnson and installing any one of his rivals would be a sign they are serious about staying in power. The prospect of some form of proportional voting for Westminster, which could lock the Tories out of government indefinitely, could be averted or postponed."

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/05/tony-blairs-new-centrist-project-shows-he-and-his-acolytes-have-learned-nothing

    Sometimes I think John Gray is a bit of an idiot.

    Does he really think that PR would result in a permanent center left monopoly or power in the UK?
    No, but it could do for the Tory party itself for good, as a majority party.
    Remember that until its current incarnation, and to a lesser extent still, it has always been a broad coalition.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,603
    edited June 1
    (FPT)
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Uvalde PD and Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer cooperating with the Texas Dept. of Public Safety's investigation into Robb Elementary School shooting, multiple law enforcement sources tell
    @ABC News.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ABC/status/1531746408000368648

    So fucked up.
    Where do you think ‘defund the police’ (however stupid the slogan) came from ?
    US policing makes ours, the Dicks and Hogan Hopelesses notwithstanding, look a model of good practice.

    Note that 40% of the town’s budget went to the police department.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,603
    Biden: U.S. will provide precision rockets to Ukraine
    The rockets are to be used solely in Ukraine, not against targets within Russia.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/31/biden-ukraine-rockets-russia-00036225

    48 mile max range.
    It’s probably going to take a few weeks to get there, but it will severely constrain Russia’s ability to use its artillery.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,603
    .This is going to be fun…..

    Supreme Court leak investigation heats up as clerks are asked for phone records in unprecedented move
    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/31/politics/supreme-court-roe-v-wade-leak-phone-records/index.html
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,761
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    When’s Crossover?

    NOM 1.82
    Con Maj 3.85
    Lab Maj 4.6

    Lab Maj looks a bit tempting right now. But I think it's a losing bet if Boris goes, and I'm not 100% confident he'll stay.
    Lab Maj still looks dreadful value. Key indicators are:

    - the Midlands VI: even-stevens in the latest YouGov
    - and SLab VI: an unimpressive 22% in the latest YouGov (they need 30% to even get into double figures for Jock seats
    Economic woes could hurt Tories and SNP at the same time.
    Far from nailed on, but the central estimate has to be economic pain leading to reactions against parties in power. If we tip into recession and start to see job losses, the VI *could* shift a fair amount.
    - “Economic woes could hurt Tories and SNP at the same time.”

    Absolutely, Sterling becoming an Emerging Market currency is the fault of the Scottish Government. 😉

    But you actually make a serious point. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that the dire economic situation will be blamed on all four incumbents: Drakeford, Johnson, O'Neill and Sturgeon. However, evidence that that is what is happening is weak. For example, the SNP just won our eleventh election in a row, with our strongest ever performance in local government elections.

    And this being a betting blog, what do punters think? Look at the prices of the principal opponents of the English and Scottish first ministers:

    Next English FM/PM Starmer 7/1

    Next Scottish FM/PM Sarwar 16/1
    Next Scottish FM/PM Ross 18/1

    Bearing in mind that the Starmer price is very long due to an imminent VONC in Johnson, it is clear that the markets judge that Johnson being kicked out is much more likely than Sturgeon being kicked out. Why? Well, part of the answer must surely be that the coming economic maelstrom is going to get blamed fairly and squarely on the Brexit Revolutionary Party.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 36,679
    Andy_JS said:

    John Gray in the New Statesman.

    "As things stand, Starmer could become prime minister from sheer Tory inanition. Johnson seems bent on continuing his lurch to defeat and a lucrative career impersonating himself in after-dinner speeches. Yet Labour could still be thwarted if Conservative MPs can rouse themselves from fear and torpor. Deposing Johnson and installing any one of his rivals would be a sign they are serious about staying in power. The prospect of some form of proportional voting for Westminster, which could lock the Tories out of government indefinitely, could be averted or postponed."

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/05/tony-blairs-new-centrist-project-shows-he-and-his-acolytes-have-learned-nothing

    There are a few commentators who have mastered the art of being paid for writing the same article over and over again. John Gray is one of them. Dan Hodges is another. Then, of course, there is Brendan O'Neill, who is the master!

  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,761

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    John Gray in the New Statesman.

    "As things stand, Starmer could become prime minister from sheer Tory inanition. Johnson seems bent on continuing his lurch to defeat and a lucrative career impersonating himself in after-dinner speeches. Yet Labour could still be thwarted if Conservative MPs can rouse themselves from fear and torpor. Deposing Johnson and installing any one of his rivals would be a sign they are serious about staying in power. The prospect of some form of proportional voting for Westminster, which could lock the Tories out of government indefinitely, could be averted or postponed."

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/05/tony-blairs-new-centrist-project-shows-he-and-his-acolytes-have-learned-nothing

    Sometimes I think John Gray is a bit of an idiot.

    Does he really think that PR would result in a permanent center left monopoly or power in the UK?
    Judging by Labour's approach to the referendum on electoral reform in 2012 I wont hold my breath....
    If the UK were to move to some form of multi member PR (which I am somewhat doubtful of, but that's another story), then the existing political parties would all likely end up splitting.

    We only have the parties we have, because of the electoral system we have.
    Doubtful.

    If NZ is any guide, the resultant situation would still be Con and Lab as the major parties, with Green and LD as minors. Reform too, but would need charismatic leadership

    There would certainly be some breakaway parties but the lesson from NZ is that these are very very difficult to sustain unless they talk to a genuine political cleavage in the electorate.
    it'd change the Scottish situation though,,,
    Absolutely. PR would be a boon for Unionists.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,603
    Traditionally, in the view if the church, is it not first necessary to acknowledge what you did wrong ?

    Archbishop of Canterbury suggests Prince Andrew wants to ‘make amends’
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/31/archbishop-of-canterbury-suggests-prince-andrew-wants-to-make-amends
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 39,603
    Scientists discover ‘biggest plant on Earth’ off Western Australian coast
    seagrass meadow
    Genetic testing has determined a single 4,500-year-old seagrass may have spread over 200 sq km of underwater seafloor – about 20,000 football fields
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/01/what-the-hell-australian-scientists-discover-biggest-plant-on-earth-off-wa-coast
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,191

    Andy_JS said:

    John Gray in the New Statesman.

    "As things stand, Starmer could become prime minister from sheer Tory inanition. Johnson seems bent on continuing his lurch to defeat and a lucrative career impersonating himself in after-dinner speeches. Yet Labour could still be thwarted if Conservative MPs can rouse themselves from fear and torpor. Deposing Johnson and installing any one of his rivals would be a sign they are serious about staying in power. The prospect of some form of proportional voting for Westminster, which could lock the Tories out of government indefinitely, could be averted or postponed."

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2022/05/tony-blairs-new-centrist-project-shows-he-and-his-acolytes-have-learned-nothing

    There are a few commentators who have mastered the art of being paid for writing the same article over and over again. John Gray is one of them. Dan Hodges is another. Then, of course, there is Brendan O'Neill, who is the master!

    I'd add Boris Johnson's time as a journalist (of sorts) into that category as well...
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,761
    FIFA World Cup Play-Off Semi-Final
    Hampden Park
    7:45 kick off this evening

    Scotland 2.42
    Ukraine 3.6
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 55,112
    Nigelb said:

    Biden: U.S. will provide precision rockets to Ukraine
    The rockets are to be used solely in Ukraine, not against targets within Russia.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/31/biden-ukraine-rockets-russia-00036225

    48 mile max range.
    It’s probably going to take a few weeks to get there, but it will severely constrain Russia’s ability to use its artillery.

    Biden in the NYT:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/31/opinion/biden-ukraine-strategy.html
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 33,456

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    When’s Crossover?

    NOM 1.82
    Con Maj 3.85
    Lab Maj 4.6

    Lab Maj looks a bit tempting right now. But I think it's a losing bet if Boris goes, and I'm not 100% confident he'll stay.
    Lab Maj still looks dreadful value. Key indicators are:

    - the Midlands VI: even-stevens in the latest YouGov
    - and SLab VI: an unimpressive 22% in the latest YouGov (they need 30% to even get into double figures for Jock seats
    Economic woes could hurt Tories and SNP at the same time.
    Far from nailed on, but the central estimate has to be economic pain leading to reactions against parties in power. If we tip into recession and start to see job losses, the VI *could* shift a fair amount.
    - “Economic woes could hurt Tories and SNP at the same time.”

    Absolutely, Sterling becoming an Emerging Market currency is the fault of the Scottish Government. 😉

    But you actually make a serious point. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that the dire economic situation will be blamed on all four incumbents: Drakeford, Johnson, O'Neill and Sturgeon. However, evidence that that is what is happening is weak. For example, the SNP just won our eleventh election in a row, with our strongest ever performance in local government elections.

    And this being a betting blog, what do punters think? Look at the prices of the principal opponents of the English and Scottish first ministers:

    Next English FM/PM Starmer 7/1

    Next Scottish FM/PM Sarwar 16/1
    Next Scottish FM/PM Ross 18/1

    Bearing in mind that the Starmer price is very long due to an imminent VONC in Johnson, it is clear that the markets judge that Johnson being kicked out is much more likely than Sturgeon being kicked out. Why? Well, part of the answer must surely be that the coming economic maelstrom is going to get blamed fairly and squarely on the Brexit Revolutionary Party.
    Shocking but typical that the SNP will refuse to take responsibility for decisions taken by the PM, Chancellor and the BoE. Only by taking the blame and being kicked out by voters will the SNP show that they're serious about Scottish independence.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 33,456
    Nigelb said:

    Traditionally, in the view if the church, is it not first necessary to acknowledge what you did wrong ?

    Archbishop of Canterbury suggests Prince Andrew wants to ‘make amends’
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/31/archbishop-of-canterbury-suggests-prince-andrew-wants-to-make-amends

    Nothing says sorry like £10m+ of mummy's money.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    Anyway, good morning everyone.

    Interesting about Jeremy Hunt. What he would do is shore up the Blue Wall and I really think the tories need to think seriously about that. The current trajectory of this party is profoundly un-Conservative.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 10,471
    HYUFD said:

    Ludicrous, Hunt got just 33% with Conservative members in 2019.

    Hunt also is on -31% with the public on whether he has what it takes to be a good PM, even worse than Boris on -25% and miles behind Wallace on -12% or Javid on -22% and only ahead of Raab, Gove and Patel amongst top tier Tories

    https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2022-04/Ipsos April 2022 Political Monitor_290422_PUBLIC.pdf

    It's surely a sell at that price, no?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036
    Nigelb said:

    Traditionally, in the view if the church, is it not first necessary to acknowledge what you did wrong ?

    Archbishop of Canterbury suggests Prince Andrew wants to ‘make amends’
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/31/archbishop-of-canterbury-suggests-prince-andrew-wants-to-make-amends

    I dislike Welby a lot, but I didn’t realise he was this stupid. Presumably he’s talking about Andrew’s friendship with Epstein, but it isn’t clear.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 45,382
    Nigelb said:

    Scientists discover ‘biggest plant on Earth’ off Western Australian coast
    seagrass meadow
    Genetic testing has determined a single 4,500-year-old seagrass may have spread over 200 sq km of underwater seafloor – about 20,000 football fields
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/01/what-the-hell-australian-scientists-discover-biggest-plant-on-earth-off-wa-coast

    Jesus Christ - it's spreading faster than the Russian invasion of Ukraine. And people say we should worry about Putin.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 10,471

    FIFA World Cup Play-Off Semi-Final
    Hampden Park
    7:45 kick off this evening

    Scotland 2.42
    Ukraine 3.6

    I'd be on Scotland at that price.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 18,484
    HYUFD said:

    Ludicrous, Hunt got just 33% with Conservative members in 2019.

    Hunt also is on -31% with the public on whether he has what it takes to be a good PM, even worse than Boris on -25% and miles behind Wallace on -12% or Javid on -22% and only ahead of Raab, Gove and Patel amongst top tier Tories

    https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2022-04/Ipsos April 2022 Political Monitor_290422_PUBLIC.pdf

    Unfortunately for your proto-fascist/welsh nationalist wing of the party, the contest is coming. No more excuses. No more defending law breaking and corruption and demeaning our parliamentary system.

    It's on. Look at Graham Brady's face yesterday, a man who knows he is about to have his day in the sun. The party is facing down a big election loss and potentially the rewriting of our electoral system against it. So it can go knee-jerk and stupid - elect an IDS or contemplate a Leadsom in the form of some of the names that get mentioned. Appease the mouth-foamers wing of your membership.

    Or it can consider this to be the last chance. You still can retain power after the next election, but you need a sane leader and a bonfire of Johnsonism, its (lack of) policies and a restoration of the Conservative party as opposed whatever you want to call this proto-fascist English nationalist tax and spend international pariah you support.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 36,838

    Why is Twitter full of speculation about Carrie and Boris Johnson divorcing? Have I missed something? After a quick search I cannot see anything in the establishment media.

    Allegedly a peer of the realm on Twitter but not seen on mainstream who will be very cautious
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 18,484

    Jonathan said:

    Hunt is too normal for the job.

    I met him when he was FS. He really wasn't that normal then. He has had a very good pandemic though.

    On Isam's (late of this parish) charisma quotient, neither Hunt not any of the other runners and riders are much more exciting than Starmer.
    Dr Paul Williams (late of Stockton South) spoke in hushed tones about how effective Hunt was as Health Secretary. How engaging he was when you spoke to him personally, a man quietly on top of both his brief and the need to be political about it.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 8,370

    Jonathan said:

    Hunt is too normal for the job.

    I met him when he was FS. He really wasn't that normal then. He has had a very good pandemic though.

    On Isam's (late of this parish) charisma quotient, neither Hunt not any of the other runners and riders are much more exciting than Starmer.
    I don't know about exciting, but Hunt is more charming in person than Starmer is.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    HYUFD said:

    Ludicrous, Hunt got just 33% with Conservative members in 2019.

    The landscape in 2019 was very different. Boris Johnson stood on a platform to Get Brexit Done. Following what many members saw as May's dithering and the botched Brexit it's remarkable that Hunt did as well as he did.

    The landscape three years later is very different.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036

    FIFA World Cup Play-Off Semi-Final
    Hampden Park
    7:45 kick off this evening

    Scotland 2.42
    Ukraine 3.6

    I'd be on Scotland at that price.
    To win in 90 mins, I assume.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    I just spoke to my Boris-loving Surrey neighbour, mentioning Mike's post. Here's her response verbatim:

    'Ah well I've always rated Jeremy Hunt and have said so many times.'

    She was rather glowing and it's the first time I've ever heard her relaxed and happy about the prospect of Johnson going.

  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 18,484
    edited June 1

    Why is Twitter full of speculation about Carrie and Boris Johnson divorcing? Have I missed something? After a quick search I cannot see anything in the establishment media.

    Supposedly she has dumped him and shacked up with x, with yet another Johnson superinjunction to shut everyone up. Like the last one of those, the press can't talk about what's disappeared into the black hole, but can talk about the ooh what a massive black hole / I wonder where Carrie is juxtaposition.

    No idea whether its true or not. I think the last time she was exhibited in public was the PM physically dragging her down the street to vote last month.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    So basically I think Hunt would shore up the Blue Wall.

    The problem will be the Red Wall but it's my belief that their support is fickle anyway. If they're not seeing food on the table they won't stick with Johnson's newfound reach.

    Ditching Conservative policies was an incredible mistake by Johnson-Sunak. To become a socialist party of High Tax and Spend is red rag to the bull.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 18,484

    FIFA World Cup Play-Off Semi-Final
    Hampden Park
    7:45 kick off this evening

    Scotland 2.42
    Ukraine 3.6

    Great of the Scottish government to slash train services so that people living as far away Edinburgh can't get the train home afterwards. Drivers interviewed up here in the Press and Journal say the cuts are absurd and have left them "twiddling their thumbs" available for driving with no trains to drive...
  • TazTaz Posts: 5,041
    Heathener said:

    As a victim of a paedophile rapist it is not the place of the Archbishop of Canterbury to forgive. Only victims could possibly be in a position to do that.

    It was crass of Welby but he was led into the trap by Tom Bradby.

    Well put.

    Welby has been a pitiful Archbishop of Canterbury. This is just another sorry episode.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 36,838

    FIFA World Cup Play-Off Semi-Final
    Hampden Park
    7:45 kick off this evening

    Scotland 2.42
    Ukraine 3.6

    I'd be on Scotland at that price.
    I am on
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,761
    Heathener said:

    As a victim of a paedophile rapist it is not the place of the Archbishop of Canterbury to forgive. Only victims could possibly be in a position to do that.

    It was crass of Welby but he was led into the trap by Tom Bradby.

    It was profoundly unwise timing.

    The Establishment should just keep their big mouths shut. At least for another month.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036

    FIFA World Cup Play-Off Semi-Final
    Hampden Park
    7:45 kick off this evening

    Scotland 2.42
    Ukraine 3.6

    Great of the Scottish government to slash train services so that people living as far away Edinburgh can't get the train home afterwards. Drivers interviewed up here in the Press and Journal say the cuts are absurd and have left them "twiddling their thumbs" available for driving with no trains to drive...
    Nationalise it. Oh wait...
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 17,893
    The crisis in the NHS is noose hanging around Hunts premiership.
  • TazTaz Posts: 5,041
    Heathener said:

    So basically I think Hunt would shore up the Blue Wall.

    The problem will be the Red Wall but it's my belief that their support is fickle anyway. If they're not seeing food on the table they won't stick with Johnson's newfound reach.

    Ditching Conservative policies was an incredible mistake by Johnson-Sunak. To become a socialist party of High Tax and Spend is red rag to the bull.

    It’s hardly being fickle in your support if you move away from a party that has destroyed your standard of living and taken the food from your table. That would apply to any party. The red wall is not uniform. Some seats are naturally gravitating towards the Tories, some seats will swing back.

    People vote for a party expecting the party to improve their lives. The Tories are failing to do,that. If they had succeeded they would keep,the red wall.
  • TazTaz Posts: 5,041
    Jonathan said:

    The crisis in the NHS is noose hanging around Hunts premiership.

    Ever since I can remember the NHS has been in one crisis or another. The boy has cried wolf so many times now.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 58,560
    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Jonathan, disagree. More than enough time has passed for it not to be a problem for Hunt (in particular).
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 8,370
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/01/the-decade-that-broke-britain-the-disastrous-decisions-that-left-millions-in-a-cost-of-living-crisis

    A thorough account of how we got to a situation where millions of Britons are living with poverty and hunger.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036
    Jonathan said:

    The crisis in the NHS is noose hanging around Hunts premiership.

    I doubt many people remember him being health secretary, let alone what happened when we was doing the job.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 70,234

    Why is Twitter full of speculation about Carrie and Boris Johnson divorcing? Have I missed something? After a quick search I cannot see anything in the establishment media.

    Supposedly she has dumped him and shacked up with x, with yet another Johnson superinjunction to shut everyone up. Like the last one of those, the press can't talk about what's disappeared into the black hole, but can talk about the ooh what a massive black hole / I wonder where Carrie is juxtaposition.

    No idea whether its true or not. I think the last time she was exhibited in public was the PM physically dragging her down the street to vote last month.
    X is Zac Goldsmith isn't it :D
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 28,169
    Good morning everyone. There's another possibility, surely. Boris scrapes home and Durham issue VPN's to Starmer and Rayner.
    Boris immediately calls a GE, on the grounds that 'the public have a right choose their PM'!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 28,169
    Pulpstar said:

    Why is Twitter full of speculation about Carrie and Boris Johnson divorcing? Have I missed something? After a quick search I cannot see anything in the establishment media.

    Supposedly she has dumped him and shacked up with x, with yet another Johnson superinjunction to shut everyone up. Like the last one of those, the press can't talk about what's disappeared into the black hole, but can talk about the ooh what a massive black hole / I wonder where Carrie is juxtaposition.

    No idea whether its true or not. I think the last time she was exhibited in public was the PM physically dragging her down the street to vote last month.
    X is Zac Goldsmith isn't it :D
    Who was it said 'you might think that but I couldn't possibly comment!'?
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,191

    Good morning everyone. There's another possibility, surely. Boris scrapes home and Durham issue VPN's to Starmer and Rayner.
    Boris immediately calls a GE, on the grounds that 'the public have a right choose their PM'!

    oh for the FTPA....
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 18,484
    So the comedy scenario is thus:
    1. Graham Brady books a big room in parliament early next week and announces a contest
    2. Consternation and uproar from the Tories. The loon wing angrily attack their traitor colleagues, the moral / nervous ones attack back
    3. Johnson scrapes over the line. Badly damaged, with ongoing attacks by the moral vs the vacuous.
    4. We really now must move on says team clown
    5. "Oh hell no" says the public, with a fresh poll plunge for the Tories
    6. Tories get smashed in both Wakefield and Devon.
    7. Despite the "he's safe for 12 months" rule the slide into the mire only accelerates.
    8. He resigns, but instead of a swift contest and a sane leader paraded at conference we have a fractious battle with the remaining loons desperate to hold onto control of the party.
    9. Instead Conference is a contest where the membership listen to "vote for me" speeches from favoured candidates. A choice of Patel or Baker becomes their option...
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,761
    edited June 1

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/01/the-decade-that-broke-britain-the-disastrous-decisions-that-left-millions-in-a-cost-of-living-crisis

    A thorough account of how we got to a situation where millions of Britons are living with poverty and hunger.

    I remember the Winter of Discontent. It was bad, but there were no food banks. As an regular visitor to England and Scotland I have witnessed the societal decline with a degree of objectivity. It is palpable that the island is in strategic, perhaps unstoppable decline. Scots should get out and become a normal nation again. One which cares for *all* her citizens.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    tlg86 said:

    Jonathan said:

    The crisis in the NHS is noose hanging around Hunts premiership.

    I doubt many people remember him being health secretary, let alone what happened when we was doing the job.
    I'm not sure that's true tlg
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 18,484
    tlg86 said:

    FIFA World Cup Play-Off Semi-Final
    Hampden Park
    7:45 kick off this evening

    Scotland 2.42
    Ukraine 3.6

    Great of the Scottish government to slash train services so that people living as far away Edinburgh can't get the train home afterwards. Drivers interviewed up here in the Press and Journal say the cuts are absurd and have left them "twiddling their thumbs" available for driving with no trains to drive...
    Nationalise it. Oh wait...
    As I kept pointing out to the "just nationalise it" wing of the Labour party, that isn't the solution when you aren't letting the industry run itself. Ministers and civil servants have no idea how to run a railway, and when they start to micromanage it all turns into an expensive mess.

    The solution is as demonstrated by most European governments. A StateCo. Owned by the state but run commercially. The state removes the need to make profit and enables very cheap borrowing for investment and can subsidise as heavily as it wants to. But does not dictate the seat spacing and lack of tray tables on the Thameslink fleet (other examples of government meddling can be found)
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 18,484

    Good morning everyone. There's another possibility, surely. Boris scrapes home and Durham issue VPN's to Starmer and Rayner.
    Boris immediately calls a GE, on the grounds that 'the public have a right choose their PM'!

    Yep. he is enough of a lady tunnel to do such a thing.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 7,863
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jun/01/uk-raspberry-picking-robot-soft-fruit

    Necessity leading to invention again. I really thought this was hard enough that it would take longer.

    Some smart people in the UK.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,761
    malcolmg said:

    Why is Twitter full of speculation about Carrie and Boris Johnson divorcing? Have I missed something? After a quick search I cannot see anything in the establishment media.

    Allegedly a peer of the realm on Twitter but not seen on mainstream who will be very cautious
    Aha! The old defamation concern.

    It is pretty easy to catch the gist!

    Poor old de Pfeffel. It’s not just him that can pfeffel around…
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 17,893
    tlg86 said:

    Jonathan said:

    The crisis in the NHS is noose hanging around Hunts premiership.

    I doubt many people remember him being health secretary, let alone what happened when we was doing the job.
    I’m sure we will be reminded constantly that he gave us this mess. Longest serving Health Secretary isn’t going be able to run from his record.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036
    Heathener said:

    tlg86 said:

    Jonathan said:

    The crisis in the NHS is noose hanging around Hunts premiership.

    I doubt many people remember him being health secretary, let alone what happened when we was doing the job.
    I'm not sure that's true tlg
    My only memory of his time as health secretary is that he stood up to junior doctors.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 32,311
    Jonathan said:

    The crisis in the NHS is noose hanging around Hunts premiership.

    Mishandling a second Doctors strike to come...
  • kjhkjh Posts: 6,613

    So the comedy scenario is thus:
    1. Graham Brady books a big room in parliament early next week and announces a contest
    2. Consternation and uproar from the Tories. The loon wing angrily attack their traitor colleagues, the moral / nervous ones attack back
    3. Johnson scrapes over the line. Badly damaged, with ongoing attacks by the moral vs the vacuous.
    4. We really now must move on says team clown
    5. "Oh hell no" says the public, with a fresh poll plunge for the Tories
    6. Tories get smashed in both Wakefield and Devon.
    7. Despite the "he's safe for 12 months" rule the slide into the mire only accelerates.
    8. He resigns, but instead of a swift contest and a sane leader paraded at conference we have a fractious battle with the remaining loons desperate to hold onto control of the party.
    9. Instead Conference is a contest where the membership listen to "vote for me" speeches from favoured candidates. A choice of Patel or Baker becomes their option...

    If Boris won a vote of no confidence from his MPs I think there would be a few defections or a small group split away. It would be suicide for them but it might be enough to bring the govt down. That is my fantasy punt.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 17,893

    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Jonathan, disagree. More than enough time has passed for it not to be a problem for Hunt (in particular).

    Wishful thinking. The only interesting thing about Hunt is that he was Health Secretary for so long. He has tremendous baggage here. Each week for the next two years at PMQs “ As the longest serving Health Secretary like to explain why …”.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 32,311
    tlg86 said:

    Heathener said:

    tlg86 said:

    Jonathan said:

    The crisis in the NHS is noose hanging around Hunts premiership.

    I doubt many people remember him being health secretary, let alone what happened when we was doing the job.
    I'm not sure that's true tlg
    My only memory of his time as health secretary is that he stood up to junior doctors.
    In 2015 he promised 5000 more GPs. We now have 2000 fewer.

    Staff retention is the thing to address. April 2022 saw a new record in numbers retiring.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    edited June 1
    I have great respect for you Old King Cole and I would put pretty much nothing past Boris Johnson but the idea that he would press nuclear (an unfortunate metaphor) is I think too much of a stretch.

    The one thing about the current Labour Party and membership is that they're ravenous for power. In the unlikely event of both Starmer and Rayner resigning and Johnson calling a snap election, Labour would either a) defer SKS' resignation until after the election or b) have a caretaker leader of prowess. There are plenty of very serious contenders on their shadow cabinet who could fulfill a 6-month role like that including Yvette Cooper or Ed Miliband.

    If Boris did that the tories would be wiped out
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 39,007
    Morning all. Lay the favourite.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 39,007
    No way the members vote for the guy who put the pandemic preparedness plan in the circular filing cabinet under his desk.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036
    After the real v fake tickets were shown by the French, you'd think news outlets would be careful about what they show. Yesterday it was Sky, this morning it's the Guardian:

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/31/number-of-fake-liverpool-champions-league-final-tickets-was-just-2800

    The tickets on display in the image are clearly fakes.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    Sandpit said:

    Morning all. Lay the favourite.

    Good morning. But be wary of Non-Dom opinions.

    That's not disrespectful and you may be right but this is a fast-moving situation and I'm not sure you still get the visceral anger around in the country.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    tlg86 said:



    The tickets on display in the image are clearly fakes.

    A tip. When you make a mistake, as I did about the invasion, it's often best just to admit it and back away from the topic.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036
    Heathener said:

    tlg86 said:



    The tickets on display in the image are clearly fakes.

    A tip. When you make a mistake, as I did about the invasion, it's often best just to admit it and back away from the topic.
    Are you saying those tickets are real?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    Sandpit said:

    No way the members vote for the guy who put the pandemic preparedness plan in the circular filing cabinet under his desk.

    He had a good pandemic though. Very sensible and a safe pair of hands attitude.

    He's also outside the Cabinet and I think the stench of partygate, cronyism and corruption would be very hard for anyone in Johnson's team to shake off.

    I'll put this slightly more firmly: living out in the Middle East as you do I really don't think you have your finger on the pulse of this country.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 7,863
    Hunt will not win. I can understand why people would think he's the best available halfway plausible choice. The sensible choice, if you will.

    But the Tory party never gave the leadership to Ken Clarke, so why would it start making sensible choices now?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 13,821
    Jonathan said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Jonathan, disagree. More than enough time has passed for it not to be a problem for Hunt (in particular).

    Wishful thinking. The only interesting thing about Hunt is that he was Health Secretary for so long. He has tremendous baggage here. Each week for the next two years at PMQs “ As the longest serving Health Secretary like to explain why …”.
    Jeremy Hunt has a new book out, Zero, about reducing accident rates in the NHS. I'd not be quite so sure that his stint as Health Secretary or even his disastrous response to Exercise Cygnus disqualify him.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 39,007

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jun/01/uk-raspberry-picking-robot-soft-fruit

    Necessity leading to invention again. I really thought this was hard enough that it would take longer.

    Some smart people in the UK.

    All of a sudden, when you can’t find people to work for £3 an hour - sorry, work for the national minimum wage for an honest 35 hours a week, while staying in your £200 a week bunk bed - you realise that either you invest in capital equipment or don’t have a harvest.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    edited June 1
    tlg86 said:

    Heathener said:

    tlg86 said:



    The tickets on display in the image are clearly fakes.

    A tip. When you make a mistake, as I did about the invasion, it's often best just to admit it and back away from the topic.
    Are you saying those tickets are real?
    You came in very, very, strongly opinionated from the get-go on Saturday evening with some remarks about Liverpool fans that I think you should have retracted.

    My opinion is that you should drop it and wait for the full proper and professionally conducted enquiry. Then by all means pitch your opinion.

    There's far too much of this on the internet, including on here: people spouting opinions when they are not experts and don't have full command of the facts.

    Peace.

    x
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,761

    Jonathan said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Jonathan, disagree. More than enough time has passed for it not to be a problem for Hunt (in particular).

    Wishful thinking. The only interesting thing about Hunt is that he was Health Secretary for so long. He has tremendous baggage here. Each week for the next two years at PMQs “ As the longest serving Health Secretary like to explain why …”.
    Jeremy Hunt has a new book out, Zero, about reducing accident rates in the NHS. I'd not be quite so sure that his stint as Health Secretary or even his disastrous response to Exercise Cygnus disqualify him.
    I don’t mean to be childish, but I just cannot envisage a prime minister called Hunt. It is like giving your opponents ten free penalty kicks.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 39,007
    Heathener said:

    Sandpit said:

    No way the members vote for the guy who put the pandemic preparedness plan in the circular filing cabinet under his desk.

    He had a good pandemic though. Very sensible and a safe pair of hands attitude.
    How did he have a good pandemic? He was a backbencher throughout, able to carp from the sidelines without any of the actual responsibility of dealing with it.

    Nadhim Zahawi, now he had a good pandemic.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 28,169
    Heathener said:

    I have great respect for you Old King Cole and I would put pretty much nothing past Boris Johnson but the idea that he would press nuclear (an unfortunate metaphor) is I think too much of a stretch.

    The one thing about the current Labour Party and membership is that they're ravenous for power. In the unlikely event of both Starmer and Rayner resigning and Johnson calling a snap election, Labour would either a) defer SKS' resignation until after the election or b) have a caretaker leader of prowess. There are plenty of very serious contenders on their shadow cabinet who could fulfill a 6-month role like that including Yvette Cooper or Ed Miliband.

    If Boris did that the tories would be wiped out

    Thank you for the kind remarks. I am not sure that you are right; I think the Conservatives would have a significant part of the press behind them.
    "Better the devil you know", as opposed to "someone whom the Labour Party might vote out themselves in six months" would be the offering.
    And given the trouble our nation is in .....
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 13,821

    malcolmg said:

    Why is Twitter full of speculation about Carrie and Boris Johnson divorcing? Have I missed something? After a quick search I cannot see anything in the establishment media.

    Allegedly a peer of the realm on Twitter but not seen on mainstream who will be very cautious
    Aha! The old defamation concern.

    It is pretty easy to catch the gist!

    Poor old de Pfeffel. It’s not just him that can pfeffel around…
    Whether it is true or not is another matter. Twitter can act as a bubble, retweeting the same information, true or false, until there is a critical mass of gossip all tracing back to one source. Is there anything in the foreign press, say in Sweden, for instance? Or a mass of stories in the press here that say nothing but get the names out?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    Sandpit said:

    Heathener said:

    Sandpit said:

    No way the members vote for the guy who put the pandemic preparedness plan in the circular filing cabinet under his desk.

    He had a good pandemic though. Very sensible and a safe pair of hands attitude.
    How did he have a good pandemic? He was a backbencher throughout, able to carp from the sidelines without any of the actual responsibility of dealing with it.

    Once again I think you reveal your absence from these shores.

    Jeremy Hunt was really good in the early stages, probably I have to say because of his Asian connections. He knew what was coming and came out with plans which were far ahead of the curve of Johnson's typically slack and careless attitude.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036
    Heathener said:

    tlg86 said:

    Heathener said:

    tlg86 said:



    The tickets on display in the image are clearly fakes.

    A tip. When you make a mistake, as I did about the invasion, it's often best just to admit it and back away from the topic.
    Are you saying those tickets are real?
    You came in very, very, strongly opinionated from the get-go on Saturday evening with some remarks about Liverpool fans that I think you should have retracted.

    My opinion is that you should drop it and wait for the full proper and professionally conducted enquiry. Then by all means pitch your opinion.

    There's far too much of this on the internet, including on here: people spouting opinions when they are not experts and don't have full command of the facts.

    Peace.

    x
    We go through this every time with Liverpool. David Conn writes:

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/31/no-excuse-for-uefa-echoing-hillsborough-by-instantly-blaming-liverpool-fans-paris

    The ministers’ claims, that there were 30-40,000 Liverpool fans with fake or no tickets, look ludicrous – where, physically, were all these tens of thousands of people? – but there will have been some, a routine issue to be dealt with at any major match.

    Sorry, no. People turning up with fake tickets is not a routine issue to be dealt with. People turning up with fake tickets need to be called out for what they are. That doesn't mean that the authorities get off. Far from it. Liverpool fans have a right to be protected from other knobhead Liverpool fans. But we shouldn't be afraid to call out the knobheads.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 52,189
    kjh said:

    So the comedy scenario is thus:
    1. Graham Brady books a big room in parliament early next week and announces a contest
    2. Consternation and uproar from the Tories. The loon wing angrily attack their traitor colleagues, the moral / nervous ones attack back
    3. Johnson scrapes over the line. Badly damaged, with ongoing attacks by the moral vs the vacuous.
    4. We really now must move on says team clown
    5. "Oh hell no" says the public, with a fresh poll plunge for the Tories
    6. Tories get smashed in both Wakefield and Devon.
    7. Despite the "he's safe for 12 months" rule the slide into the mire only accelerates.
    8. He resigns, but instead of a swift contest and a sane leader paraded at conference we have a fractious battle with the remaining loons desperate to hold onto control of the party.
    9. Instead Conference is a contest where the membership listen to "vote for me" speeches from favoured candidates. A choice of Patel or Baker becomes their option...

    If Boris won a vote of no confidence from his MPs I think there would be a few defections or a small group split away. It would be suicide for them but it might be enough to bring the govt down. That is my fantasy punt.
    Good morning

    The vonc next week will fatally wound Boris and if he survives the forthcoming by election results will be a massacre and it is then upto the rebels to inform the whips that they will vote against HMG until he is gone

    On Hunt I do not see him winning the membership vote even if he gets to the last 2 and I rather think it is hope by some over expectation

    As for Boris calling an election I just cannot see that at all

    Anyway, let's s hope he is history very soon and I am confident that my prediction some time ago that a vonc will happen next week will come to pass
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 39,007
    Taz said:

    Jonathan said:

    The crisis in the NHS is noose hanging around Hunts premiership.

    Ever since I can remember the NHS has been in one crisis or another. The boy has cried wolf so many times now.
    That’s what happens, when a very mediocre healthcare system is allowed to become a national religion.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 3,156
    tlg86 said:

    Heathener said:

    tlg86 said:

    Heathener said:

    tlg86 said:



    The tickets on display in the image are clearly fakes.

    A tip. When you make a mistake, as I did about the invasion, it's often best just to admit it and back away from the topic.
    Are you saying those tickets are real?
    You came in very, very, strongly opinionated from the get-go on Saturday evening with some remarks about Liverpool fans that I think you should have retracted.

    My opinion is that you should drop it and wait for the full proper and professionally conducted enquiry. Then by all means pitch your opinion.

    There's far too much of this on the internet, including on here: people spouting opinions when they are not experts and don't have full command of the facts.

    Peace.

    x
    Sorry but no ... we shouldn't be afraid to call out the knobheads.
    The worst thing about the internet is precisely this.

    Someone failing to recognise or admit their own error, becoming more entrenched and opinionated.

    Sorry really is the hardest word.

    Have a good day everyone.

    xx
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 8,761
    edited June 1

    Why is Twitter full of speculation about Carrie and Boris Johnson divorcing? Have I missed something? After a quick search I cannot see anything in the establishment media.

    Supposedly she has dumped him and shacked up with x, with yet another Johnson superinjunction to shut everyone up. Like the last one of those, the press can't talk about what's disappeared into the black hole, but can talk about the ooh what a massive black hole / I wonder where Carrie is juxtaposition.

    No idea whether its true or not. I think the last time she was exhibited in public was the PM physically dragging her down the street to vote last month.
    That had ‘Marriage Made in Hell’ right from the second Westminster Cathedral imprudently opened their door to the twice-divorced Oaf and his latest mug. The whole thing was just tacky beyond belief. If there is a Good Boris in there, deep inside the repulsive, corpulent Bad Boris, it must be suffering an agonising, tortuous demise. I hope he finds redemption once he’s out of the public eye. There is hope for every soul… if they truly repent.

    - “… physically dragging her down the street to vote last month.”

    Presumably she voted Lib Dem.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 23,036
    Heathener said:

    tlg86 said:

    Heathener said:

    tlg86 said:

    Heathener said:

    tlg86 said:



    The tickets on display in the image are clearly fakes.

    A tip. When you make a mistake, as I did about the invasion, it's often best just to admit it and back away from the topic.
    Are you saying those tickets are real?
    You came in very, very, strongly opinionated from the get-go on Saturday evening with some remarks about Liverpool fans that I think you should have retracted.

    My opinion is that you should drop it and wait for the full proper and professionally conducted enquiry. Then by all means pitch your opinion.

    There's far too much of this on the internet, including on here: people spouting opinions when they are not experts and don't have full command of the facts.

    Peace.

    x
    Sorry but no ... we shouldn't be afraid to call out the knobheads.
    The worst thing about the internet is precisely this.

    Someone failing to recognise or admit their own error, becoming more entrenched and opinionated.

    Sorry really is the hardest word.

    Have a good day everyone.

    xx
    I'm not the one that turned up to a football match with a fake ticket.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 5,623

    Jonathan said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    Mr. Jonathan, disagree. More than enough time has passed for it not to be a problem for Hunt (in particular).

    Wishful thinking. The only interesting thing about Hunt is that he was Health Secretary for so long. He has tremendous baggage here. Each week for the next two years at PMQs “ As the longest serving Health Secretary like to explain why …”.
    Jeremy Hunt has a new book out, Zero, about reducing accident rates in the NHS. I'd not be quite so sure that his stint as Health Secretary or even his disastrous response to Exercise Cygnus disqualify him.
    I don’t mean to be childish, but I just cannot envisage a prime minister called Hunt. It is like giving your opponents ten free penalty kicks.
    There was a Cabinet minister called Balls
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