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  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,647

    Scott_xP said:

    The last minute or so is the anchor, Olga Skabeyeva, with her mad and rather chilling summary - "We were forced into this. We cannot surrender. We cannot talk to anyone. We must fight until the end. We will get there; our great country will win"

    https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1526329765065539592

    Part of the problem seems to be that Russians conflate prior USSR successes with Russian ones
    And also overplay their role.

    I listened to an interview with David Dimbleby yesterday, where he basically said that the Russians won the war, and that our contribution was minor. It was bullsh*t. Yes, the Russians fought their way into Germany. Yes, the Russians kept a million or more German troops occupied.

    But it ignores two facts:
    *) For two years, Russia was on Germany's side.
    *) The massive amount of financial and material aid the US (and us, to a lesser extent) gave Russia. The US alone gave 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 14,000 planes, millions of tons of fuel, millions of tons of food, and everything else an army requires. Without this, Russia would have been defeated.

    Whilst we tend to overplay our role, we at least generally acknowledge the Yanks, Canadians, Russians, Poles et al who fought alongside us (*). The Second World War was won by a collaboration, with each major power giving what they could. Without any of them, the war could have ended very differently.

    The Russians see it as 'their' victory, apparently with the roles of other countries whitewashed. Whilst we also suffer from this, there does not appear to be quite the same mythos over it.

    (*) Not Indians though, sadly. Their contribution to the war effort is often forgotten.
    It also diminishes the role of other nations of the USSR in the war, notably 7 million Ukranians served in the Red Army for example.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Good morning.
    Those real pay figures are stark. Not sure what levers can be pulled right now effectively.
    We are headed for recession I reckon.
  • Eabhal said:

    Can anyone explain what Andrew Bailey is up to with the "don't take a pay rise" remarks?

    It's obvious what the reaction would be and the BoE loses credibility. It's a classic prisoner's dilemma - I get the thinking, but no chance I'm following that advice myself.

    Maybe putting pressure on UKGov to freeze public sector pay?

    Who knows what Bailey is up to. This is the guy who hasn't even started quantitative tightening on the £800b QE assets even though inflation is raging out of control.
    Inflation is raging out of control for supply side reasons: the pandemic screwed manufacturing supply lines, especially from China; chip shortages mean new cars cannot be delivered; gas prices surged; the Russia-Ukraine kerfuffle has stymied food exports from both countries. The Bank of England cannot bring about world peace by raising interest rates!
    And the covid crisis is paralysing China with very serious economic consequences
    Of course a lot of this is a supply side shock. But the BoE isn't helping by being asleep at the wheel. Look at the £ vs $ - clear sign that partly investors don't have faith in how HMG and BoE are managing the macroeconomics.

    That has absolutely nothing to do with the BoE and is everything to do with the appreciation of the dollar as the #1 global reserve currency that commodities are traded in. Dollar has been rising against every currency.

    If you want to look at sterling you need to compare against a basket of other currencies. £ v € has been relatively stable and is at the same rate it was at Christmas.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,652
    Taz said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, I am off to the heart of the City of London for the first time in simply ages to give a talk on Bad People and How to Stop Them etc etc. in front of real life human beings.

    It will be an odd experience after all this time doing stuff by Zoom.

    Wish me luck!

    Break a leg, you'll be fine
    Given the average PBer's propensity for accidents (wasn't there someone who broke both their legs just walking about?!), you shouldn't joke.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    edited May 2022
    Cicero said:

    The scale of Russian crimes in Ukraine is gradually getting clearer. Bucha is not a one-off and murder, rape and torture have been used routinely by the occupying forces. It is sickening and totally evil. Normal relations with Russia can never be possible for as long as the criminals go unpunished. Meanwhile the gradual collapse of the Russian armed forces seems to being accelerated by the arrival of NATO kit and freshly trained Ukrainian troops onto the battlefields.

    One can only hope that Russia is finished as a great power after a comprehensive defeat.

    Then there might be a reckoning in the West with those who either took the cash to shill for Putin, or were sufficiently demented to do it for free: Tucker Carlson? Rand Paul?...

    Were ?
    Still are.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    That 8/15 for CL is very skinny indeed.
    Is everyone confident that's a virtually 2 in 3 chance?
    It will be LFC's 65th game of the season against what is, at the very least, a decent side.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    🤝 Numerous MPs have told PoliticsHome that they were approached by allies of Hunt in recent weeks to discuss his future prospects

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/top-tories-are-quietly-making-moves-on-leadership-bid-despite-boris-johnson-seeming-safe-for-now
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,652

    Scott_xP said:

    The last minute or so is the anchor, Olga Skabeyeva, with her mad and rather chilling summary - "We were forced into this. We cannot surrender. We cannot talk to anyone. We must fight until the end. We will get there; our great country will win"

    https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1526329765065539592

    Part of the problem seems to be that Russians conflate prior USSR successes with Russian ones
    And also overplay their role.

    I listened to an interview with David Dimbleby yesterday, where he basically said that the Russians won the war, and that our contribution was minor. It was bullsh*t. Yes, the Russians fought their way into Germany. Yes, the Russians kept a million or more German troops occupied.

    But it ignores two facts:
    *) For two years, Russia was on Germany's side.
    *) The massive amount of financial and material aid the US (and us, to a lesser extent) gave Russia. The US alone gave 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 14,000 planes, millions of tons of fuel, millions of tons of food, and everything else an army requires. Without this, Russia would have been defeated.

    Whilst we tend to overplay our role, we at least generally acknowledge the Yanks, Canadians, Russians, Poles et al who fought alongside us (*). The Second World War was won by a collaboration, with each major power giving what they could. Without any of them, the war could have ended very differently.

    The Russians see it as 'their' victory, apparently with the roles of other countries whitewashed. Whilst we also suffer from this, there does not appear to be quite the same mythos over it.

    (*) Not Indians though, sadly. Their contribution to the war effort is often forgotten.

    There was a very good piece on this in the New Statesman last week:

    https://www.newstatesman.com/world/asia/2022/05/how-the-worlds-dictators-are-rewriting-the-past-in-order-to-control-the-future

    The control of history is an essential element of the dictator's toolkit.

  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,915

    OT what would you do? Take the money or open the box? Deal or no deal?

    Punter set for £367,200 win if Liverpool land historic quadruple but could take £22k cash out right now
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/betting-tips/18531976/liverpool-quadruple-bet-betfair-odds-lucky-punter-football-betting/

    Note in passing that The Sun correctly refers to a quadruple and not tetralogy or tetrapak or whatever term Scouse pseuds use.

    Should the punter cash out the bet for £22,000 or let it run? Current odds for the remaining two legs are: 7/1 Premier League; 8/15 Champions League.

    Wouldn’t he be best off laying the 7/1 for say 280k/40k if possible?
    Probably not possible and even if it was, that leaves the unlikely but possible scenario that Liverpool win the League but lose the Champions League final in which case both bets lose.

    I've not heard any Liverpool fan use any word other than quadruple to discuss what happens if the 4 titles are won, but I don't think any Liverpool fan is expecting it either. It doesn't help that its not in our hands.
    If that happened, he could lay some of the 87k left from the 367k at 8/15 on the Champions League and still clear over 50k either way.

    He'd presumably have to find a bridging loan for the the 280k payout on Liverpool winning the league though!
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717
    To all Norgies, gratulerer med dagen, syttende mai
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,652
    Foxy said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The last minute or so is the anchor, Olga Skabeyeva, with her mad and rather chilling summary - "We were forced into this. We cannot surrender. We cannot talk to anyone. We must fight until the end. We will get there; our great country will win"

    https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1526329765065539592

    Part of the problem seems to be that Russians conflate prior USSR successes with Russian ones
    And also overplay their role.

    I listened to an interview with David Dimbleby yesterday, where he basically said that the Russians won the war, and that our contribution was minor. It was bullsh*t. Yes, the Russians fought their way into Germany. Yes, the Russians kept a million or more German troops occupied.

    But it ignores two facts:
    *) For two years, Russia was on Germany's side.
    *) The massive amount of financial and material aid the US (and us, to a lesser extent) gave Russia. The US alone gave 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 14,000 planes, millions of tons of fuel, millions of tons of food, and everything else an army requires. Without this, Russia would have been defeated.

    Whilst we tend to overplay our role, we at least generally acknowledge the Yanks, Canadians, Russians, Poles et al who fought alongside us (*). The Second World War was won by a collaboration, with each major power giving what they could. Without any of them, the war could have ended very differently.

    The Russians see it as 'their' victory, apparently with the roles of other countries whitewashed. Whilst we also suffer from this, there does not appear to be quite the same mythos over it.

    (*) Not Indians though, sadly. Their contribution to the war effort is often forgotten.
    It also diminishes the role of other nations of the USSR in the war, notably 7 million Ukranians served in the Red Army for example.

    The Russians do not see Ukrainians as being from a different nation. That is part of the problem.

  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, I am off to the heart of the City of London for the first time in simply ages to give a talk on Bad People and How to Stop Them etc etc. in front of real life human beings.

    It will be an odd experience after all this time doing stuff by Zoom.

    Wish me luck!

    Break a leg, you'll be fine
    Given the average PBer's propensity for accidents (wasn't there someone who broke both their legs just walking about?!), you shouldn't joke.
    That would be me.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,034
    edited May 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    🤔 In 2019 the PM told us - repeatedly- that his Brexit deal would mean no checks on goods to or from NI. So today we asked the Business Secretary:

    'Did Boris Johnson not understand what he was signing or was he lying?' #Ridge
    https://twitter.com/RidgeOnSunday/status/1525779212430462976/video/1

    For all the recriminations over Boris and his agreement to the NIP, the reality is that a compromise is needed and ultimately will happen

    As much as many wish Brexit had not happened, it has and there is no appetite to rejoin within the majority of the political opinion, but in time a more consensual attitude will happen, not least as a result of the war in Ukraine seeking close cooperation on defence, security and of course trade
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Climbdown back into holding pattern on the Northern Ireland Protocol, from a government evidently quite stuck on what to do. Can't successfully negotiate with the EU for fear of backbenchers / DUP, can't really threaten for fear of the consequences. Government without power. https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1526440124426473472
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,353
    edited May 2022

    Scott_xP said:

    The last minute or so is the anchor, Olga Skabeyeva, with her mad and rather chilling summary - "We were forced into this. We cannot surrender. We cannot talk to anyone. We must fight until the end. We will get there; our great country will win"

    https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1526329765065539592

    Part of the problem seems to be that Russians conflate prior USSR successes with Russian ones
    And also overplay their role.

    I listened to an interview with David Dimbleby yesterday, where he basically said that the Russians won the war, and that our contribution was minor. It was bullsh*t. Yes, the Russians fought their way into Germany. Yes, the Russians kept a million or more German troops occupied.

    But it ignores two facts:
    *) For two years, Russia was on Germany's side.
    *) The massive amount of financial and material aid the US (and us, to a lesser extent) gave Russia. The US alone gave 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 14,000 planes, millions of tons of fuel, millions of tons of food, and everything else an army requires. Without this, Russia would have been defeated.

    Whilst we tend to overplay our role, we at least generally acknowledge the Yanks, Canadians, Russians, Poles et al who fought alongside us (*). The Second World War was won by a collaboration, with each major power giving what they could. Without any of them, the war could have ended very differently.

    The Russians see it as 'their' victory, apparently with the roles of other countries whitewashed. Whilst we also suffer from this, there does not appear to be quite the same mythos over it.

    (*) Not Indians though, sadly. Their contribution to the war effort is often forgotten.
    It's one of the most irritating features of military history, this tendency to assume that one's own people won the war, whereas one's allies were of little importance. It's even worse in histories of the Napoleonic wars than it is in histories of WWII.

    The Indian contribution is overlooked, not least because some Indian nationalists are ashamed of it, preferring to focus on the INA, who only attracted a fraction of the people who volunteered for the Indian army.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496

    OT what would you do? Take the money or open the box? Deal or no deal?

    Punter set for £367,200 win if Liverpool land historic quadruple but could take £22k cash out right now
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/betting-tips/18531976/liverpool-quadruple-bet-betfair-odds-lucky-punter-football-betting/

    Note in passing that The Sun correctly refers to a quadruple and not tetralogy or tetrapak or whatever term Scouse pseuds use.

    Should the punter cash out the bet for £22,000 or let it run? Current odds for the remaining two legs are: 7/1 Premier League; 8/15 Champions League.

    In this case I would do the same as any rational person would do if you substitute the word 'Arsenal' for 'Liverpool'.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    edited May 2022

    Scott_xP said:

    The last minute or so is the anchor, Olga Skabeyeva, with her mad and rather chilling summary - "We were forced into this. We cannot surrender. We cannot talk to anyone. We must fight until the end. We will get there; our great country will win"

    https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1526329765065539592

    Part of the problem seems to be that Russians conflate prior USSR successes with Russian ones
    And also overplay their role.

    I listened to an interview with David Dimbleby yesterday, where he basically said that the Russians won the war, and that our contribution was minor. It was bullsh*t. Yes, the Russians fought their way into Germany. Yes, the Russians kept a million or more German troops occupied.

    But it ignores two facts:
    *) For two years, Russia was on Germany's side.
    *) The massive amount of financial and material aid the US (and us, to a lesser extent) gave Russia. The US alone gave 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 14,000 planes, millions of tons of fuel, millions of tons of food, and everything else an army requires. Without this, Russia would have been defeated.

    Whilst we tend to overplay our role, we at least generally acknowledge the Yanks, Canadians, Russians, Poles et al who fought alongside us (*). The Second World War was won by a collaboration, with each major power giving what they could. Without any of them, the war could have ended very differently.

    The Russians see it as 'their' victory, apparently with the roles of other countries whitewashed. Whilst we also suffer from this, there does not appear to be quite the same mythos over it.

    (*) Not Indians though, sadly. Their contribution to the war effort is often forgotten.
    Chinese are forgotten too.
    There were more Japanese troops tied down there, 4 million I think, than in the rest of the Pacific put together.
    Getting the worst end of brutality as well.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990

    For all the recriminations over Boris and his agreement to the NIP, the reality is that a compromise is needed and ultimately will happen

    Only when we have a PM who accepts reality
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,034
    Scott_xP said:

    For all the recriminations over Boris and his agreement to the NIP, the reality is that a compromise is needed and ultimately will happen

    Only when we have a PM who accepts reality
    Boris may well be replaced by his mps but irrespective this stalemate will not continue for the next two years
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,353
    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The last minute or so is the anchor, Olga Skabeyeva, with her mad and rather chilling summary - "We were forced into this. We cannot surrender. We cannot talk to anyone. We must fight until the end. We will get there; our great country will win"

    https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1526329765065539592

    Part of the problem seems to be that Russians conflate prior USSR successes with Russian ones
    And also overplay their role.

    I listened to an interview with David Dimbleby yesterday, where he basically said that the Russians won the war, and that our contribution was minor. It was bullsh*t. Yes, the Russians fought their way into Germany. Yes, the Russians kept a million or more German troops occupied.

    But it ignores two facts:
    *) For two years, Russia was on Germany's side.
    *) The massive amount of financial and material aid the US (and us, to a lesser extent) gave Russia. The US alone gave 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 14,000 planes, millions of tons of fuel, millions of tons of food, and everything else an army requires. Without this, Russia would have been defeated.

    Whilst we tend to overplay our role, we at least generally acknowledge the Yanks, Canadians, Russians, Poles et al who fought alongside us (*). The Second World War was won by a collaboration, with each major power giving what they could. Without any of them, the war could have ended very differently.

    The Russians see it as 'their' victory, apparently with the roles of other countries whitewashed. Whilst we also suffer from this, there does not appear to be quite the same mythos over it.

    (*) Not Indians though, sadly. Their contribution to the war effort is often forgotten.
    Chinese are forgotten too.
    There were more Japanese troops tied down there, 4 million I think, than in the rest of the Pacific put together.
    Max Hastings, who should know better, was very disparaging of the Chinese, in Nemesis, before casually revealing that the Japanese took over a million casualties fighting them. An unskilful army that simply remains in being, and ties down forces that could be more usefully deployed elsewhere, is performing a useful contribution in war.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,580
    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The last minute or so is the anchor, Olga Skabeyeva, with her mad and rather chilling summary - "We were forced into this. We cannot surrender. We cannot talk to anyone. We must fight until the end. We will get there; our great country will win"

    https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1526329765065539592

    Part of the problem seems to be that Russians conflate prior USSR successes with Russian ones
    And also overplay their role.

    I listened to an interview with David Dimbleby yesterday, where he basically said that the Russians won the war, and that our contribution was minor. It was bullsh*t. Yes, the Russians fought their way into Germany. Yes, the Russians kept a million or more German troops occupied.

    But it ignores two facts:
    *) For two years, Russia was on Germany's side.
    *) The massive amount of financial and material aid the US (and us, to a lesser extent) gave Russia. The US alone gave 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 14,000 planes, millions of tons of fuel, millions of tons of food, and everything else an army requires. Without this, Russia would have been defeated.

    Whilst we tend to overplay our role, we at least generally acknowledge the Yanks, Canadians, Russians, Poles et al who fought alongside us (*). The Second World War was won by a collaboration, with each major power giving what they could. Without any of them, the war could have ended very differently.

    The Russians see it as 'their' victory, apparently with the roles of other countries whitewashed. Whilst we also suffer from this, there does not appear to be quite the same mythos over it.

    (*) Not Indians though, sadly. Their contribution to the war effort is often forgotten.
    Chinese are forgotten too.
    There were more Japanese troops tied down there, 4 million I think, than in the rest of the Pacific put together.
    Getting the worst end of brutality as well.
    I think I'm repeating myself, but I recently watched a video about the history of WW1. It's amazing how much of the war was fought away from the trenches in Flanders or Gallipoli; fighting that is mostly forgotten by us. The same's true for WW2: it truly was a world war.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    edited May 2022
    Scott_xP said:

    Climbdown back into holding pattern on the Northern Ireland Protocol, from a government evidently quite stuck on what to do. Can't successfully negotiate with the EU for fear of backbenchers / DUP, can't really threaten for fear of the consequences. Government without power. https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1526440124426473472

    Various holding patterns have now been in place for at least 100 years. Brexit threatened to bring a sort of finality between an irresistible force and an immovable object. But everyone manages to keep evading finality. This will continue until there is a united Ireland; at which point no doubt a new holding pattern will form itself. Personally I blame the Vikings and Henry II.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,835
    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The last minute or so is the anchor, Olga Skabeyeva, with her mad and rather chilling summary - "We were forced into this. We cannot surrender. We cannot talk to anyone. We must fight until the end. We will get there; our great country will win"

    https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1526329765065539592

    Part of the problem seems to be that Russians conflate prior USSR successes with Russian ones
    And also overplay their role.

    I listened to an interview with David Dimbleby yesterday, where he basically said that the Russians won the war, and that our contribution was minor. It was bullsh*t. Yes, the Russians fought their way into Germany. Yes, the Russians kept a million or more German troops occupied.

    But it ignores two facts:
    *) For two years, Russia was on Germany's side.
    *) The massive amount of financial and material aid the US (and us, to a lesser extent) gave Russia. The US alone gave 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 14,000 planes, millions of tons of fuel, millions of tons of food, and everything else an army requires. Without this, Russia would have been defeated.

    Whilst we tend to overplay our role, we at least generally acknowledge the Yanks, Canadians, Russians, Poles et al who fought alongside us (*). The Second World War was won by a collaboration, with each major power giving what they could. Without any of them, the war could have ended very differently.

    The Russians see it as 'their' victory, apparently with the roles of other countries whitewashed. Whilst we also suffer from this, there does not appear to be quite the same mythos over it.

    (*) Not Indians though, sadly. Their contribution to the war effort is often forgotten.
    Chinese are forgotten too.
    There were more Japanese troops tied down there, 4 million I think, than in the rest of the Pacific put together.
    Getting the worst end of brutality as well.
    India of course was the pre-1947 India, too, and there are the Anzacs, and the Vietnamese, and the Filipinos, and the Africans, and Brazilians, and West Indians, and Newfoundlanders (not then part of Canada), and ...
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    edited May 2022
    Personal rant against the use of 'likely' as an unqualified adverb. Ugh!

    image

    (I may be becoming an old fogey, of course.)
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    A fundamental problem with UK-EU relationship is that all the key players who might have to place their trust in Boris Johnson have met him before.
    https://twitter.com/rafaelbehr/status/1526463593411227650
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,835

    Personal rant against the use of 'likely' as an unqualified adverb. Ugh!

    image

    And - probably - in the wrong place in the sentence, too.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Fifth day of Queen's Speech debate today, with 22 amendments tabled: this is the official opposition one https://commonsbusiness.parliament.uk/document/56740/pdf https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1526463494488473600/photo/1
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,253
    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The last minute or so is the anchor, Olga Skabeyeva, with her mad and rather chilling summary - "We were forced into this. We cannot surrender. We cannot talk to anyone. We must fight until the end. We will get there; our great country will win"

    https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1526329765065539592

    Part of the problem seems to be that Russians conflate prior USSR successes with Russian ones
    And also overplay their role.

    I listened to an interview with David Dimbleby yesterday, where he basically said that the Russians won the war, and that our contribution was minor. It was bullsh*t. Yes, the Russians fought their way into Germany. Yes, the Russians kept a million or more German troops occupied.

    But it ignores two facts:
    *) For two years, Russia was on Germany's side.
    *) The massive amount of financial and material aid the US (and us, to a lesser extent) gave Russia. The US alone gave 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 14,000 planes, millions of tons of fuel, millions of tons of food, and everything else an army requires. Without this, Russia would have been defeated.

    Whilst we tend to overplay our role, we at least generally acknowledge the Yanks, Canadians, Russians, Poles et al who fought alongside us (*). The Second World War was won by a collaboration, with each major power giving what they could. Without any of them, the war could have ended very differently.

    The Russians see it as 'their' victory, apparently with the roles of other countries whitewashed. Whilst we also suffer from this, there does not appear to be quite the same mythos over it.

    (*) Not Indians though, sadly. Their contribution to the war effort is often forgotten.
    Chinese are forgotten too.
    There were more Japanese troops tied down there, 4 million I think, than in the rest of the Pacific put together.
    The "Russia won the war" crowd tend to be in the "Tanks equal potatoes" group. That is, they bang on about what a small percentage of the Russian economy Lend-Lease was. But the point of it was to provide materials and equipment that Russia didn't have and couldn't get. You can't just turn potato production into tanks.

    For example, the American supplied radio systems were the only reliable radios the Red Army had. The USSR was unable to make super octane aviation fuel - it was *all* supplied by the UK and USA. Machine cutting tools was another one

    We are seeing today, what happens to an economy when supplies of quite small (in terms of bulk and cost) items are turned off. The machine cutting tools (the actual sharp bits) for a large country would probably fit in a large truck or 2 - a supply for *months*. Without them, Russian industry is grinding to a halt.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717

    Personal rant against the use of 'likely' as an unqualified adverb. Ugh!

    image

    (I may be becoming an old fogey, of course.)

    Kicking against the pricks there Ben.

  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Anyway, I am off to the heart of the City of London for the first time in simply ages to give a talk on Bad People and How to Stop Them etc etc. in front of real life human beings.

    It will be an odd experience after all this time doing stuff by Zoom.

    Wish me luck!

    Break a leg, you'll be fine
    Given the average PBer's propensity for accidents (wasn't there someone who broke both their legs just walking about?!), you shouldn't joke.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Break_a_leg
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited May 2022
    Eabhal said:

    The census in Scotland continues to fail. 83% v 97% in England & Wales.

    I don't really get why - that's a huge difference, not going to be explained by the Trans question or the splitting from the rUK one. General suspicion of SG?

    Local Radio Ads are basically wall to wall "Fill in the census" at the moment
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Dura_Ace said:

    Good morning, everyone.

    I see Turkey doesn't want Finland/Sweden to join NATO.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61472021

    They can't afford to get too shirty with Erdogan because he can turn off the Bayraktars.
    But Erdogan can’t afford to be too mutinous, the Turkish economy is on the brink

    The Turkish inflation rate in April was an astonishing 70%

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/5/turkeys-inflation-rate-soars-to-almost-70-percent-in-april

    He’s not so popular any more - at home - that he can piss off his major allies, especially the USA, when he might be needing *economic help* pretty shortly

    On my two recent visits to Turkey - in the conservative east and on the westernized coast - what really struck me is the trend towards secularisation and the renewed reverence for Ataturk (they’ve always loved Kemal but now they appear to love him more than PBUH). These aren’t great signs for Erdogan’s brand of soft Islamification
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    Sean_F said:

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The last minute or so is the anchor, Olga Skabeyeva, with her mad and rather chilling summary - "We were forced into this. We cannot surrender. We cannot talk to anyone. We must fight until the end. We will get there; our great country will win"

    https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1526329765065539592

    Part of the problem seems to be that Russians conflate prior USSR successes with Russian ones
    And also overplay their role.

    I listened to an interview with David Dimbleby yesterday, where he basically said that the Russians won the war, and that our contribution was minor. It was bullsh*t. Yes, the Russians fought their way into Germany. Yes, the Russians kept a million or more German troops occupied.

    But it ignores two facts:
    *) For two years, Russia was on Germany's side.
    *) The massive amount of financial and material aid the US (and us, to a lesser extent) gave Russia. The US alone gave 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 14,000 planes, millions of tons of fuel, millions of tons of food, and everything else an army requires. Without this, Russia would have been defeated.

    Whilst we tend to overplay our role, we at least generally acknowledge the Yanks, Canadians, Russians, Poles et al who fought alongside us (*). The Second World War was won by a collaboration, with each major power giving what they could. Without any of them, the war could have ended very differently.

    The Russians see it as 'their' victory, apparently with the roles of other countries whitewashed. Whilst we also suffer from this, there does not appear to be quite the same mythos over it.

    (*) Not Indians though, sadly. Their contribution to the war effort is often forgotten.
    Chinese are forgotten too.
    There were more Japanese troops tied down there, 4 million I think, than in the rest of the Pacific put together.
    Max Hastings, who should know better, was very disparaging of the Chinese, in Nemesis, before casually revealing that the Japanese took over a million casualties fighting them. An unskilful army that simply remains in being, and ties down forces that could be more usefully deployed elsewhere, is performing a useful contribution in war.
    Whether Japanese troops could have been deployed elsewhere is another question. There was no real cooperation between Germany and Japan, so forming a second front against the Soviets was out. The Japanese lost to America in the Pacific but that was mainly down to the US Navy and its carriers, and US Marines on each island. Japan could have deployed its troops against British forces in the East where Japan had anyway been largely successful, and if that meant it would capture India or a large part of it then so what?

    Rather than being deployed elsewhere, those Japanese troops would simply have captured more of China.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,253
    Eabhal said:

    The census in Scotland continues to fail. 83% v 97% in England & Wales.

    I don't really get why - that's a huge difference, not going to be explained by the Trans question or the splitting from the rUK one. General suspicion of SG?

    Census work is surprisingly tricky, I understand. Having an organisation with a history of doing a particular census, established methods etc, is a big, big help.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The last minute or so is the anchor, Olga Skabeyeva, with her mad and rather chilling summary - "We were forced into this. We cannot surrender. We cannot talk to anyone. We must fight until the end. We will get there; our great country will win"

    https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1526329765065539592

    Part of the problem seems to be that Russians conflate prior USSR successes with Russian ones
    And also overplay their role.

    I listened to an interview with David Dimbleby yesterday, where he basically said that the Russians won the war, and that our contribution was minor. It was bullsh*t. Yes, the Russians fought their way into Germany. Yes, the Russians kept a million or more German troops occupied.

    But it ignores two facts:
    *) For two years, Russia was on Germany's side.
    *) The massive amount of financial and material aid the US (and us, to a lesser extent) gave Russia. The US alone gave 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 14,000 planes, millions of tons of fuel, millions of tons of food, and everything else an army requires. Without this, Russia would have been defeated.

    Whilst we tend to overplay our role, we at least generally acknowledge the Yanks, Canadians, Russians, Poles et al who fought alongside us (*). The Second World War was won by a collaboration, with each major power giving what they could. Without any of them, the war could have ended very differently.

    The Russians see it as 'their' victory, apparently with the roles of other countries whitewashed. Whilst we also suffer from this, there does not appear to be quite the same mythos over it.

    (*) Not Indians though, sadly. Their contribution to the war effort is often forgotten.
    Chinese are forgotten too.
    There were more Japanese troops tied down there, 4 million I think, than in the rest of the Pacific put together.
    Getting the worst end of brutality as well.
    I think I'm repeating myself, but I recently watched a video about the history of WW1. It's amazing how much of the war was fought away from the trenches in Flanders or Gallipoli; fighting that is mostly forgotten by us. The same's true for WW2: it truly was a world war.
    The clue is in the name(s).
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    edited May 2022
    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The last minute or so is the anchor, Olga Skabeyeva, with her mad and rather chilling summary - "We were forced into this. We cannot surrender. We cannot talk to anyone. We must fight until the end. We will get there; our great country will win"

    https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1526329765065539592

    Part of the problem seems to be that Russians conflate prior USSR successes with Russian ones
    And also overplay their role.

    I listened to an interview with David Dimbleby yesterday, where he basically said that the Russians won the war, and that our contribution was minor. It was bullsh*t. Yes, the Russians fought their way into Germany. Yes, the Russians kept a million or more German troops occupied.

    But it ignores two facts:
    *) For two years, Russia was on Germany's side.
    *) The massive amount of financial and material aid the US (and us, to a lesser extent) gave Russia. The US alone gave 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 14,000 planes, millions of tons of fuel, millions of tons of food, and everything else an army requires. Without this, Russia would have been defeated.

    Whilst we tend to overplay our role, we at least generally acknowledge the Yanks, Canadians, Russians, Poles et al who fought alongside us (*). The Second World War was won by a collaboration, with each major power giving what they could. Without any of them, the war could have ended very differently.

    The Russians see it as 'their' victory, apparently with the roles of other countries whitewashed. Whilst we also suffer from this, there does not appear to be quite the same mythos over it.

    (*) Not Indians though, sadly. Their contribution to the war effort is often forgotten.
    Chinese are forgotten too.
    There were more Japanese troops tied down there, 4 million I think, than in the rest of the Pacific put together.
    Getting the worst end of brutality as well.
    And that war started in 1937.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496

    Personal rant against the use of 'likely' as an unqualified adverb. Ugh!

    image

    (I may be becoming an old fogey, of course.)

    Speaking, like, of likely, like, reminds me, like of the like most annoying and, like, just, like, wrong, like, like, article I like have, like, read even in the, like, Guardian for like ages.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/may/15/why-do-people-like-say-like-so-much-in-praise-of-an-underappreciated-word




  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    kle4 said:

    Off-topic (sort-of):

    Politicians are strange creatures, aren't they? Many are known for one or two things, rarely good.

    Take Edwina Currie. What is she known for? Something to do with eggs and an affair with John Major.

    I'm currently struggling through Stephen Fry's turgid third volume of memoirs. Fry is very much a lefty, and contributed to speeches for Kinnock, Smith and Blair. Yet he refers to Currie as 'sainted' ?

    The reason: in 1994 she introduced a Private Members Bill to equalise the homosexual age of consent to the heterosexual one; it was defeated, but the age was reduced to 18 (finally being reduced to 16 around 2000).

    I had no idea.

    I know this wasnt the point, but three volumes of memoirs? That seems excessive.
    It is. And as it was written in 2014 or so, I guess we can look forward to a fourth sometime...

    The first one was brilliant. The Liar

    The second - Moab is my Washpot - was a significant decline. I stopped there.

    What kind of berk writes FOUR volumes of memoirs. No one has THAT much material
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    algarkirk said:

    Personal rant against the use of 'likely' as an unqualified adverb. Ugh!

    image

    (I may be becoming an old fogey, of course.)

    Speaking, like, of likely, like, reminds me, like of the like most annoying and, like, just, like, wrong, like, like, article I like have, like, read even in the, like, Guardian for like ages.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/may/15/why-do-people-like-say-like-so-much-in-praise-of-an-underappreciated-word

    Tbf, that's like proper bad.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401

    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

    Far be it from me to be the first to state the obvious...
    But, erm. Isn't that why employers are having huge trouble filling minimum wage positions?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    Scott_xP said:

    Fifth day of Queen's Speech debate today, with 22 amendments tabled: this is the official opposition one https://commonsbusiness.parliament.uk/document/56740/pdf https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1526463494488473600/photo/1

    Rishi's not signed the Labour amendment calling for a windfall tax then? *innocent face*
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    edited May 2022
    Nigelb said:


    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The last minute or so is the anchor, Olga Skabeyeva, with her mad and rather chilling summary - "We were forced into this. We cannot surrender. We cannot talk to anyone. We must fight until the end. We will get there; our great country will win"

    https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1526329765065539592

    Part of the problem seems to be that Russians conflate prior USSR successes with Russian ones
    And also overplay their role.

    I listened to an interview with David Dimbleby yesterday, where he basically said that the Russians won the war, and that our contribution was minor. It was bullsh*t. Yes, the Russians fought their way into Germany. Yes, the Russians kept a million or more German troops occupied.

    But it ignores two facts:
    *) For two years, Russia was on Germany's side.
    *) The massive amount of financial and material aid the US (and us, to a lesser extent) gave Russia. The US alone gave 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 14,000 planes, millions of tons of fuel, millions of tons of food, and everything else an army requires. Without this, Russia would have been defeated.

    Whilst we tend to overplay our role, we at least generally acknowledge the Yanks, Canadians, Russians, Poles et al who fought alongside us (*). The Second World War was won by a collaboration, with each major power giving what they could. Without any of them, the war could have ended very differently.

    The Russians see it as 'their' victory, apparently with the roles of other countries whitewashed. Whilst we also suffer from this, there does not appear to be quite the same mythos over it.

    (*) Not Indians though, sadly. Their contribution to the war effort is often forgotten.
    Chinese are forgotten too.
    There were more Japanese troops tied down there, 4 million I think, than in the rest of the Pacific put together.
    Getting the worst end of brutality as well.
    And that war started in 1937.
    Yes.
    Don't ever suggest WW2 began in 1939 there.
    Whilst I take the point about deployment, one dreads to think what could have happened had they simply surrendered.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    geoffw said:

    Personal rant against the use of 'likely' as an unqualified adverb. Ugh!

    image

    (I may be becoming an old fogey, of course.)

    Kicking against the pricks there Ben.

    “Likely” is an Americanism and I like it. And use it. A nice alternative to “probably”

    Not all Americanisms are bad or ugly or pointless. Plenty are excellent and useful
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Climbdown back into holding pattern on the Northern Ireland Protocol, from a government evidently quite stuck on what to do. Can't successfully negotiate with the EU for fear of backbenchers / DUP, can't really threaten for fear of the consequences. Government without power. https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1526440124426473472

    Various holding patterns have now been in place for at least 100 years. Brexit threatened to bring a sort of finality between an irresistible force and an immovable object. But everyone manages to keep evading finality. This will continue until there is a united Ireland; at which point no doubt a new holding pattern will form itself. Personally I blame the Vikings and Henry II.

    There will never be a united Ireland, at most the Catholic majority areas will join the Republic but Antrim and East Londonderry and Lagan Valley and the Protestant and Unionist dominated areas will stay in the UK.

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,594
    So not only does the UK officially have full employment ** real earnings have turned positive again.

    For all the economic bewailing many millions of people are doing very well.

    ** On a national level at least - it would be interesting to see data at a local level and for different employment sectors.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    Personal rant against the use of 'likely' as an unqualified adverb. Ugh!

    image

    (I may be becoming an old fogey, of course.)

    Kicking against the pricks there Ben.

    “Likely” is an Americanism and I like it. And use it. A nice alternative to “probably”

    Not all Americanisms are bad or ugly or pointless. Plenty are excellent and useful
    The word "gotten" has been creeping into pb usage recently. Likely pb's young'uns have picked it up from US teen sitcoms on TikTok.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496

    Eabhal said:

    The census in Scotland continues to fail. 83% v 97% in England & Wales.

    I don't really get why - that's a huge difference, not going to be explained by the Trans question or the splitting from the rUK one. General suspicion of SG?

    Census work is surprisingly tricky, I understand. Having an organisation with a history of doing a particular census, established methods etc, is a big, big help.
    Have they provided sufficient information about it in Lallans, Gaelic, Old Norse, Doric and Glaswegeian? The website seems to be written predominantly in London style English.

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Off-topic (sort-of):

    Politicians are strange creatures, aren't they? Many are known for one or two things, rarely good.

    Take Edwina Currie. What is she known for? Something to do with eggs and an affair with John Major.

    I'm currently struggling through Stephen Fry's turgid third volume of memoirs. Fry is very much a lefty, and contributed to speeches for Kinnock, Smith and Blair. Yet he refers to Currie as 'sainted' ?

    The reason: in 1994 she introduced a Private Members Bill to equalise the homosexual age of consent to the heterosexual one; it was defeated, but the age was reduced to 18 (finally being reduced to 16 around 2000).

    I had no idea.

    I know this wasnt the point, but three volumes of memoirs? That seems excessive.
    It is. And as it was written in 2014 or so, I guess we can look forward to a fourth sometime...

    The first one was brilliant. The Liar

    The second - Moab is my Washpot - was a significant decline. I stopped there.

    What kind of berk writes FOUR volumes of memoirs. No one has THAT much material
    Don't The Liar and Moab cover pretty much the same ground, one as a Not My Memoirs Honest novelisation, and the other as a straight autobiography?

    Though three volumes, even for someone with an interesting life, is an awful lot.

    (Can't knock the Fry, though. I used to devour his writings, along with Clive James, when I was a precious provincial teen without a proper outlet for it.)
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 4,515

    OT what would you do? Take the money or open the box? Deal or no deal?

    Punter set for £367,200 win if Liverpool land historic quadruple but could take £22k cash out right now
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/betting-tips/18531976/liverpool-quadruple-bet-betfair-odds-lucky-punter-football-betting/

    Note in passing that The Sun correctly refers to a quadruple and not tetralogy or tetrapak or whatever term Scouse pseuds use.

    Should the punter cash out the bet for £22,000 or let it run? Current odds for the remaining two legs are: 7/1 Premier League; 8/15 Champions League.

    Bet as much as they can afford on City and Real as a hedge?.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,594
    Cicero said:

    The scale of Russian crimes in Ukraine is gradually getting clearer. Bucha is not a one-off and murder, rape and torture have been used routinely by the occupying forces. It is sickening and totally evil. Normal relations with Russia can never be possible for as long as the criminals go unpunished. Meanwhile the gradual collapse of the Russian armed forces seems to being accelerated by the arrival of NATO kit and freshly trained Ukrainian troops onto the battlefields.

    One can only hope that Russia is finished as a great power after a comprehensive defeat.

    Then there might be a reckoning in the West with those who either took the cash to shill for Putin, or were sufficiently demented to do it for free: Tucker Carlson? Rand Paul? As for those like Farage and Salmond who were happy to work for RT, to my mind there is insufficient condemnation of them both then and now. The truth is that a Russian defeat should also be followed by a righteous purge of those in the West who were so morally blind that they were prepared to support the blank faced butcher of the Kremlin or those who took his money. Schoeder, Le Pen et al in the EU, and several figures in the UK.

    A monstrous evil has been unleashed, and there really is no morally neutral ground. Those who stood to gain should pay the price.

    Not just those who were Russian cheerleaders.

    We should get learn from the experience to expose those who have been Chinese cheerleaders as well.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401

    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    Personal rant against the use of 'likely' as an unqualified adverb. Ugh!

    image

    (I may be becoming an old fogey, of course.)

    Kicking against the pricks there Ben.

    “Likely” is an Americanism and I like it. And use it. A nice alternative to “probably”

    Not all Americanisms are bad or ugly or pointless. Plenty are excellent and useful
    The word "gotten" has been creeping into pb usage recently. Likely pb's young'uns have picked it up from US teen sitcoms on TikTok.
    Although gotten, like many "Americanisms" is simply archaic English which survived over there and died out here.
    It's 14th Century.
    I hate it btw
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496

    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    Personal rant against the use of 'likely' as an unqualified adverb. Ugh!

    image

    (I may be becoming an old fogey, of course.)

    Kicking against the pricks there Ben.

    “Likely” is an Americanism and I like it. And use it. A nice alternative to “probably”

    Not all Americanisms are bad or ugly or pointless. Plenty are excellent and useful
    The word "gotten" has been creeping into pb usage recently. Likely pb's young'uns have picked it up from US teen sitcoms on TikTok.
    Gotten is good Shakespeare and AV Bible, as is putten. And good Yorkshire. As in the schoolchild to their RP speaking teacher:

    "I've gone and putten putten whereas tha'd 'ave putten put"

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    Here is @BrandonLewis repeating the false claim "there are more people in work now than before the pandemic" for which the PM has been fact-checked eight times and reprimanded by the govt's own statistical authority - here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/24/boris-johnson-again-reprimanded-after-misleading-employment-claim https://twitter.com/KayBurley/status/1526458436816347140
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    The Queen presented with a Karabakh horse by the President of Azerbaijan

    https://twitter.com/Platinum2022/status/1526293673725534209?s=20&t=HIy-A7fbc2io38zyvJzYLQ
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    It would be incredible if ordinary Russians weren’t beginning to have doubts

    They were promised a brief, successful “Military Operation”, but the scale of the losses, the prolonged and intense fighting, the nervous look of the leadership, are all telling them that this is going to be an enduring and horrible war, which they could actually lose. And for what? And all of this against their cousins the Ukrainians?!

    They can also see their exclusion from world affairs - from sports to Eurovision - and the departure of western companies. And apparently 2m young able Russians have fled the country

    I do not believe the Russian state propaganda machine is so good it can make up for all this. Indeed there are signs they have stopped trying
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    dixiedean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The last minute or so is the anchor, Olga Skabeyeva, with her mad and rather chilling summary - "We were forced into this. We cannot surrender. We cannot talk to anyone. We must fight until the end. We will get there; our great country will win"

    https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1526329765065539592

    Part of the problem seems to be that Russians conflate prior USSR successes with Russian ones
    And also overplay their role.

    I listened to an interview with David Dimbleby yesterday, where he basically said that the Russians won the war, and that our contribution was minor. It was bullsh*t. Yes, the Russians fought their way into Germany. Yes, the Russians kept a million or more German troops occupied.

    But it ignores two facts:
    *) For two years, Russia was on Germany's side.
    *) The massive amount of financial and material aid the US (and us, to a lesser extent) gave Russia. The US alone gave 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 14,000 planes, millions of tons of fuel, millions of tons of food, and everything else an army requires. Without this, Russia would have been defeated.

    Whilst we tend to overplay our role, we at least generally acknowledge the Yanks, Canadians, Russians, Poles et al who fought alongside us (*). The Second World War was won by a collaboration, with each major power giving what they could. Without any of them, the war could have ended very differently.

    The Russians see it as 'their' victory, apparently with the roles of other countries whitewashed. Whilst we also suffer from this, there does not appear to be quite the same mythos over it.

    (*) Not Indians though, sadly. Their contribution to the war effort is often forgotten.
    Chinese are forgotten too.
    There were more Japanese troops tied down there, 4 million I think, than in the rest of the Pacific put together.
    Getting the worst end of brutality as well.
    I think I'm repeating myself, but I recently watched a video about the history of WW1. It's amazing how much of the war was fought away from the trenches in Flanders or Gallipoli; fighting that is mostly forgotten by us. The same's true for WW2: it truly was a world war.
    The vast majority of WWI casualties were in the European theatre, though.
    http://www.100letprve.si/en/world_war_1/casualties/index.html

    The Russian civil war which followed saw 8 million dead.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894

    OT what would you do? Take the money or open the box? Deal or no deal?

    Punter set for £367,200 win if Liverpool land historic quadruple but could take £22k cash out right now
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/betting-tips/18531976/liverpool-quadruple-bet-betfair-odds-lucky-punter-football-betting/

    Note in passing that The Sun correctly refers to a quadruple and not tetralogy or tetrapak or whatever term Scouse pseuds use.

    Should the punter cash out the bet for £22,000 or let it run? Current odds for the remaining two legs are: 7/1 Premier League; 8/15 Champions League.

    Bet as much as they can afford on City and Real as a hedge?.
    Perhaps, although asking for a partial cash-out might be an easier equivalent. Say, take £11,000 now and let the other half run to win £183,600 if Liverpool do pull it off.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    dixiedean said:

    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

    Far be it from me to be the first to state the obvious...
    But, erm. Isn't that why employers are having huge trouble filling minimum wage positions?
    Thing is, hospitality jobs make most sense for people who are fairly young, without responsibilities, for whom being in a nice place for a summer, or coming to England to improve their English, is part of the package. There isn't enough value added by them to create a job to support a family, unless you want to raise prices to an unviable level.

    The economy will rebalance... Quite possibly with less jobs. But that could be with fewer businesses rather than productivity by mechanisation.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Off-topic (sort-of):

    Politicians are strange creatures, aren't they? Many are known for one or two things, rarely good.

    Take Edwina Currie. What is she known for? Something to do with eggs and an affair with John Major.

    I'm currently struggling through Stephen Fry's turgid third volume of memoirs. Fry is very much a lefty, and contributed to speeches for Kinnock, Smith and Blair. Yet he refers to Currie as 'sainted' ?

    The reason: in 1994 she introduced a Private Members Bill to equalise the homosexual age of consent to the heterosexual one; it was defeated, but the age was reduced to 18 (finally being reduced to 16 around 2000).

    I had no idea.

    I know this wasnt the point, but three volumes of memoirs? That seems excessive.
    It is. And as it was written in 2014 or so, I guess we can look forward to a fourth sometime...

    The first one was brilliant. The Liar

    The second - Moab is my Washpot - was a significant decline. I stopped there.

    What kind of berk writes FOUR volumes of memoirs. No one has THAT much material
    Don't The Liar and Moab cover pretty much the same ground, one as a Not My Memoirs Honest novelisation, and the other as a straight autobiography?

    Though three volumes, even for someone with an interesting life, is an awful lot.

    (Can't knock the Fry, though. I used to devour his writings, along with Clive James, when I was a precious provincial teen without a proper outlet for it.)
    Yes, you’re right. I slightly misremember

    Anyway the Liar was obviously memoir, badly disguised as a novel, and it was excellent and witty, and he should have stopped there, for a long time

    And maybe given us one more volume of his later life right at the end
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    I see we have an explanation for some of the huge scores in County Championship this year.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/may/17/counties-receive-fresh-batch-after-dukes-balls-go-soft-cricket
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,324
    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    Personal rant against the use of 'likely' as an unqualified adverb. Ugh!

    image

    (I may be becoming an old fogey, of course.)

    Kicking against the pricks there Ben.

    “Likely” is an Americanism and I like it. And use it. A nice alternative to “probably”

    Not all Americanisms are bad or ugly or pointless. Plenty are excellent and useful
    What do you make of 'winningest', Leon?

    I find it ugly but there is no English word that does the same job.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    dixiedean said:

    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

    Far be it from me to be the first to state the obvious...
    But, erm. Isn't that why employers are having huge trouble filling minimum wage positions?
    Thing is, hospitality jobs make most sense for people who are fairly young, without responsibilities, for whom being in a nice place for a summer, or coming to England to improve their English, is part of the package. There isn't enough value added by them to create a job to support a family, unless you want to raise prices to an unviable level.

    The economy will rebalance... Quite possibly with less jobs. But that could be with fewer businesses rather than productivity by mechanisation.
    Apparently some hospitality sectors in the USA - this is a worldwide problem - have had to triple or even quadruple wages to get the staff. This is in many ways a good thing, workers in US hospitality were paid horrible wages and expected to make up for it in tipping. Which is a peculiar custom that descends all the way from slavery: slaves emancipated by Lincoln went north and took hospitality jobs (the easiest for the young and rootless, as now) and their employers decided they could do without “white wages” and it went from there

    So: good riddance. However this means that American hotel prices have gone through the roof. Double, triple, more. Advice: don’t go on holiday in the USA for a year or two
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,717

    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    Personal rant against the use of 'likely' as an unqualified adverb. Ugh!

    image

    (I may be becoming an old fogey, of course.)

    Kicking against the pricks there Ben.

    “Likely” is an Americanism and I like it. And use it. A nice alternative to “probably”

    Not all Americanisms are bad or ugly or pointless. Plenty are excellent and useful
    What do you make of 'winningest', Leon?

    I find it ugly but there is no English word that does the same job.
    Sounds like a Trumpism. It bigly makes me laugh.

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    edited May 2022
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Off-topic (sort-of):

    Politicians are strange creatures, aren't they? Many are known for one or two things, rarely good.

    Take Edwina Currie. What is she known for? Something to do with eggs and an affair with John Major.

    I'm currently struggling through Stephen Fry's turgid third volume of memoirs. Fry is very much a lefty, and contributed to speeches for Kinnock, Smith and Blair. Yet he refers to Currie as 'sainted' ?

    The reason: in 1994 she introduced a Private Members Bill to equalise the homosexual age of consent to the heterosexual one; it was defeated, but the age was reduced to 18 (finally being reduced to 16 around 2000).

    I had no idea.

    I know this wasnt the point, but three volumes of memoirs? That seems excessive.
    It is. And as it was written in 2014 or so, I guess we can look forward to a fourth sometime...

    The first one was brilliant. The Liar

    The second - Moab is my Washpot - was a significant decline. I stopped there.

    What kind of berk writes FOUR volumes of memoirs. No one has THAT much material
    Don't The Liar and Moab cover pretty much the same ground, one as a Not My Memoirs Honest novelisation, and the other as a straight autobiography?

    Though three volumes, even for someone with an interesting life, is an awful lot.

    (Can't knock the Fry, though. I used to devour his writings, along with Clive James, when I was a precious provincial teen without a proper outlet for it.)
    Yes, you’re right. I slightly misremember

    Anyway the Liar was obviously memoir, badly disguised as a novel, and it was excellent and witty, and he should have stopped there, for a long time

    And maybe given us one more volume of his later life right at the end
    Never mind Stephen Fry's life. He should instead write a biography of erstwhile comedy partner Hugh Laurie, who became a Hollywood A-lister while Fry was reduced to panel shows.

    ETA and their early collaborator Emma Thompson racked up BAFTAs and Oscars.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    Personal rant against the use of 'likely' as an unqualified adverb. Ugh!

    image

    (I may be becoming an old fogey, of course.)

    Kicking against the pricks there Ben.

    “Likely” is an Americanism and I like it. And use it. A nice alternative to “probably”

    Not all Americanisms are bad or ugly or pointless. Plenty are excellent and useful
    What do you make of 'winningest', Leon?

    I find it ugly but there is no English word that does the same job.
    If there is no equivalent then Yay, bring it on. Any term that expands the utility of our marvellous language is welcome, surely

    And I’m note sure it is ugly. It has a whimsical quality which balances its vulgar boasting. I am therefore drawn to it for some unaccountable reason
  • theakestheakes Posts: 930
    HI,
    Anyone else had their email hacked, the basis seeming to come from this site?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401

    dixiedean said:

    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

    Far be it from me to be the first to state the obvious...
    But, erm. Isn't that why employers are having huge trouble filling minimum wage positions?
    Thing is, hospitality jobs make most sense for people who are fairly young, without responsibilities, for whom being in a nice place for a summer, or coming to England to improve their English, is part of the package. There isn't enough value added by them to create a job to support a family, unless you want to raise prices to an unviable level.

    The economy will rebalance... Quite possibly with less jobs. But that could be with fewer businesses rather than productivity by mechanisation.
    Maybe it's just because I've moved so am noticing.
    But I'm struck by the sheer number of places to eat round here. Not restaurants, but chippies, pie shops, sandwich shops, kebab places, etc..
    None of them are busy at any time. Can't see how the local economy ever supported them all in the first place.
    And can't see how many will survive for long at this rate.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,253

    dixiedean said:

    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

    Far be it from me to be the first to state the obvious...
    But, erm. Isn't that why employers are having huge trouble filling minimum wage positions?
    Thing is, hospitality jobs make most sense for people who are fairly young, without responsibilities, for whom being in a nice place for a summer, or coming to England to improve their English, is part of the package. There isn't enough value added by them to create a job to support a family, unless you want to raise prices to an unviable level.

    The economy will rebalance... Quite possibly with less jobs. But that could be with fewer businesses rather than productivity by mechanisation.
    The vast majority of such jobs, outside the central London were (and are) filled by UK citizens.

    Job mobility is an fascinating area - I've long believed that the lowest paid are the least mobile. Whether this is a sensible caution, lack of horizons or an artefact of lower educational achievement is another question. But COVID forced a lot of poorly paid people to try other things. Which they are now sticking to, it seems.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    Personal rant against the use of 'likely' as an unqualified adverb. Ugh!

    image

    (I may be becoming an old fogey, of course.)

    Kicking against the pricks there Ben.

    “Likely” is an Americanism and I like it. And use it. A nice alternative to “probably”

    Not all Americanisms are bad or ugly or pointless. Plenty are excellent and useful
    What do you make of 'winningest', Leon?

    I find it ugly but there is no English word that does the same job.
    Sounds like a Trumpism. It bigly makes me laugh.

    Winningmost, surely?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,594
    Noticed strawberries from West Sussex in Tesco yesterday and more surprisingly blackberries from there as well.

    Haven't seen any 'there will be no strawberries in the supermarkets' stories though.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Off-topic (sort-of):

    Politicians are strange creatures, aren't they? Many are known for one or two things, rarely good.

    Take Edwina Currie. What is she known for? Something to do with eggs and an affair with John Major.

    I'm currently struggling through Stephen Fry's turgid third volume of memoirs. Fry is very much a lefty, and contributed to speeches for Kinnock, Smith and Blair. Yet he refers to Currie as 'sainted' ?

    The reason: in 1994 she introduced a Private Members Bill to equalise the homosexual age of consent to the heterosexual one; it was defeated, but the age was reduced to 18 (finally being reduced to 16 around 2000).

    I had no idea.

    I know this wasnt the point, but three volumes of memoirs? That seems excessive.
    It is. And as it was written in 2014 or so, I guess we can look forward to a fourth sometime...

    The first one was brilliant. The Liar

    The second - Moab is my Washpot - was a significant decline. I stopped there.

    What kind of berk writes FOUR volumes of memoirs. No one has THAT much material
    Don't The Liar and Moab cover pretty much the same ground, one as a Not My Memoirs Honest novelisation, and the other as a straight autobiography?

    Though three volumes, even for someone with an interesting life, is an awful lot.

    (Can't knock the Fry, though. I used to devour his writings, along with Clive James, when I was a precious provincial teen without a proper outlet for it.)
    Yes, you’re right. I slightly misremember

    Anyway the Liar was obviously memoir, badly disguised as a novel, and it was excellent and witty, and he should have stopped there, for a long time

    And maybe given us one more volume of his later life right at the end
    Never mind Stephen Fry's life. He should instead write a biography of erstwhile comedy partner Hugh Laurie, who became a Hollywood A-lister while Fry was reduced to panel shows.
    Fry has had such an incredible, varied career I doubt he is agonised by Laurie’s success the way Peter Cook was, supposedly, pained by the Hollywood rise of Dudley Moore

    Anyway I am sitting in a Greek terrace in the dreaming peaks and breakfast is done and the sun doth shine and I must attempt some work before my next walk through the Eden of the North Pindus mountains. Later!
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,915
    edited May 2022

    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    Personal rant against the use of 'likely' as an unqualified adverb. Ugh!

    image

    (I may be becoming an old fogey, of course.)

    Kicking against the pricks there Ben.

    “Likely” is an Americanism and I like it. And use it. A nice alternative to “probably”

    Not all Americanisms are bad or ugly or pointless. Plenty are excellent and useful
    What do you make of 'winningest', Leon?

    I find it ugly but there is no English word that does the same job.
    Victoriousliest?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    Personal rant against the use of 'likely' as an unqualified adverb. Ugh!

    image

    (I may be becoming an old fogey, of course.)

    Kicking against the pricks there Ben.

    “Likely” is an Americanism and I like it. And use it. A nice alternative to “probably”

    Not all Americanisms are bad or ugly or pointless. Plenty are excellent and useful
    A point of agreement.
    UK English is centuries of borrowings of one kind or another. Why complain now ?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,594
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

    Far be it from me to be the first to state the obvious...
    But, erm. Isn't that why employers are having huge trouble filling minimum wage positions?
    Thing is, hospitality jobs make most sense for people who are fairly young, without responsibilities, for whom being in a nice place for a summer, or coming to England to improve their English, is part of the package. There isn't enough value added by them to create a job to support a family, unless you want to raise prices to an unviable level.

    The economy will rebalance... Quite possibly with less jobs. But that could be with fewer businesses rather than productivity by mechanisation.
    Maybe it's just because I've moved so am noticing.
    But I'm struck by the sheer number of places to eat round here. Not restaurants, but chippies, pie shops, sandwich shops, kebab places, etc..
    None of them are busy at any time. Can't see how the local economy ever supported them all in the first place.
    And can't see how many will survive for long at this rate.
    How so many grotty takeaways and 8-to-late convenience stores exist is a mystery to everyone I know.

    Its generally assumed that some of them are a front for more dubious activities.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,324

    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    Personal rant against the use of 'likely' as an unqualified adverb. Ugh!

    image

    (I may be becoming an old fogey, of course.)

    Kicking against the pricks there Ben.

    “Likely” is an Americanism and I like it. And use it. A nice alternative to “probably”

    Not all Americanisms are bad or ugly or pointless. Plenty are excellent and useful
    What do you make of 'winningest', Leon?

    I find it ugly but there is no English word that does the same job.
    Victoriousliest?
    Congratulations on inventing an even uglier word.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Off-topic (sort-of):

    Politicians are strange creatures, aren't they? Many are known for one or two things, rarely good.

    Take Edwina Currie. What is she known for? Something to do with eggs and an affair with John Major.

    I'm currently struggling through Stephen Fry's turgid third volume of memoirs. Fry is very much a lefty, and contributed to speeches for Kinnock, Smith and Blair. Yet he refers to Currie as 'sainted' ?

    The reason: in 1994 she introduced a Private Members Bill to equalise the homosexual age of consent to the heterosexual one; it was defeated, but the age was reduced to 18 (finally being reduced to 16 around 2000).

    I had no idea.

    I know this wasnt the point, but three volumes of memoirs? That seems excessive.
    It is. And as it was written in 2014 or so, I guess we can look forward to a fourth sometime...

    The first one was brilliant. The Liar

    The second - Moab is my Washpot - was a significant decline. I stopped there.

    What kind of berk writes FOUR volumes of memoirs. No one has THAT much material
    Don't The Liar and Moab cover pretty much the same ground, one as a Not My Memoirs Honest novelisation, and the other as a straight autobiography?

    Though three volumes, even for someone with an interesting life, is an awful lot.

    (Can't knock the Fry, though. I used to devour his writings, along with Clive James, when I was a precious provincial teen without a proper outlet for it.)
    Yes, you’re right. I slightly misremember

    Anyway the Liar was obviously memoir, badly disguised as a novel, and it was excellent and witty, and he should have stopped there, for a long time

    And maybe given us one more volume of his later life right at the end
    Bit tricky timing that...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

    Far be it from me to be the first to state the obvious...
    But, erm. Isn't that why employers are having huge trouble filling minimum wage positions?
    Thing is, hospitality jobs make most sense for people who are fairly young, without responsibilities, for whom being in a nice place for a summer, or coming to England to improve their English, is part of the package. There isn't enough value added by them to create a job to support a family, unless you want to raise prices to an unviable level.

    The economy will rebalance... Quite possibly with less jobs. But that could be with fewer businesses rather than productivity by mechanisation.
    Maybe it's just because I've moved so am noticing.
    But I'm struck by the sheer number of places to eat round here. Not restaurants, but chippies, pie shops, sandwich shops, kebab places, etc..
    None of them are busy at any time. Can't see how the local economy ever supported them all in the first place.
    And can't see how many will survive for long at this rate.
    How so many grotty takeaways and 8-to-late convenience stores exist is a mystery to everyone I know.

    Its generally assumed that some of them are a front for more dubious activities.
    Yes.
    We've just had 3 closed down for that very reason.
    However. There can't be a market for that many places to deliver drugs either, can there?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    Personal rant against the use of 'likely' as an unqualified adverb. Ugh!

    image

    (I may be becoming an old fogey, of course.)

    Kicking against the pricks there Ben.

    “Likely” is an Americanism and I like it. And use it. A nice alternative to “probably”

    Not all Americanisms are bad or ugly or pointless. Plenty are excellent and useful
    A point of agreement.
    UK English is centuries of borrowings of one kind or another. Why complain now ?
    Precisely

    It is exactly this which makes English the greatest language yet devised. It absorbs everything, borrows all over the place, and marches on

    These last few weeks abroad again bring home how much English has become the lingua franca. It is now assumed by everyone that you must speak English abroad. Thais in Turkey. French in Samos. The Germans, Japanese, Dutch, Brazilians, here in the Zagori mountains. They all speak English FIRST and all the young Greeks and Turks can speak it back to them, in return

    We are incredibly lucky that it is our mother tongue, tho it maybe makes us lazy

    And that really is it. To work, to work
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    Am I the only one who wishes they’d just get on with it and reunify Ireland so we can be free of endless retweets from Scott about the Northern Ireland Protocol and unflinching unionist posts from HYFUD?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

    Far be it from me to be the first to state the obvious...
    But, erm. Isn't that why employers are having huge trouble filling minimum wage positions?
    Thing is, hospitality jobs make most sense for people who are fairly young, without responsibilities, for whom being in a nice place for a summer, or coming to England to improve their English, is part of the package. There isn't enough value added by them to create a job to support a family, unless you want to raise prices to an unviable level.

    The economy will rebalance... Quite possibly with less jobs. But that could be with fewer businesses rather than productivity by mechanisation.
    Maybe it's just because I've moved so am noticing.
    But I'm struck by the sheer number of places to eat round here. Not restaurants, but chippies, pie shops, sandwich shops, kebab places, etc..
    None of them are busy at any time. Can't see how the local economy ever supported them all in the first place.
    And can't see how many will survive for long at this rate.
    Indeed. One important reason for the shortage of staff is the increased number of restaurants and takeaways. Another is the huge rise in delivery jobs. And it was noticeable that when Amazon expanded last year, its job adverts explicitly stated they required no experience.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    moonshine said:

    Am I the only one who wishes they’d just get on with it and reunify Ireland so we can be free of endless retweets from Scott about the Northern Ireland Protocol and unflinching unionist posts from HYFUD?

    I think you are.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,747
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

    Far be it from me to be the first to state the obvious...
    But, erm. Isn't that why employers are having huge trouble filling minimum wage positions?
    Thing is, hospitality jobs make most sense for people who are fairly young, without responsibilities, for whom being in a nice place for a summer, or coming to England to improve their English, is part of the package. There isn't enough value added by them to create a job to support a family, unless you want to raise prices to an unviable level.

    The economy will rebalance... Quite possibly with less jobs. But that could be with fewer businesses rather than productivity by mechanisation.
    Maybe it's just because I've moved so am noticing.
    But I'm struck by the sheer number of places to eat round here. Not restaurants, but chippies, pie shops, sandwich shops, kebab places, etc..
    None of them are busy at any time. Can't see how the local economy ever supported them all in the first place.
    And can't see how many will survive for long at this rate.
    How so many grotty takeaways and 8-to-late convenience stores exist is a mystery to everyone I know.

    Its generally assumed that some of them are a front for more dubious activities.
    Yes.
    We've just had 3 closed down for that very reason.
    However. There can't be a market for that many places to deliver drugs either, can there?
    Walter White didn’t sell drugs from his car wash but to launder the money
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    moonshine said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

    Far be it from me to be the first to state the obvious...
    But, erm. Isn't that why employers are having huge trouble filling minimum wage positions?
    Thing is, hospitality jobs make most sense for people who are fairly young, without responsibilities, for whom being in a nice place for a summer, or coming to England to improve their English, is part of the package. There isn't enough value added by them to create a job to support a family, unless you want to raise prices to an unviable level.

    The economy will rebalance... Quite possibly with less jobs. But that could be with fewer businesses rather than productivity by mechanisation.
    Maybe it's just because I've moved so am noticing.
    But I'm struck by the sheer number of places to eat round here. Not restaurants, but chippies, pie shops, sandwich shops, kebab places, etc..
    None of them are busy at any time. Can't see how the local economy ever supported them all in the first place.
    And can't see how many will survive for long at this rate.
    How so many grotty takeaways and 8-to-late convenience stores exist is a mystery to everyone I know.

    Its generally assumed that some of them are a front for more dubious activities.
    Yes.
    We've just had 3 closed down for that very reason.
    However. There can't be a market for that many places to deliver drugs either, can there?
    Walter White didn’t sell drugs from his car wash but to launder the money
    Fair enough.
    There's some heavy duty laundering going on round here, then.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894

    dixiedean said:

    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

    Far be it from me to be the first to state the obvious...
    But, erm. Isn't that why employers are having huge trouble filling minimum wage positions?
    Thing is, hospitality jobs make most sense for people who are fairly young, without responsibilities, for whom being in a nice place for a summer, or coming to England to improve their English, is part of the package. There isn't enough value added by them to create a job to support a family, unless you want to raise prices to an unviable level.

    The economy will rebalance... Quite possibly with less jobs. But that could be with fewer businesses rather than productivity by mechanisation.
    The vast majority of such jobs, outside the central London were (and are) filled by UK citizens.

    Job mobility is an fascinating area - I've long believed that the lowest paid are the least mobile. Whether this is a sensible caution, lack of horizons or an artefact of lower educational achievement is another question. But COVID forced a lot of poorly paid people to try other things. Which they are now sticking to, it seems.
    Least mobile in terms of relocating but suddenly we have lots of brand new jobs related to online shopping that need little skill, no experience and no relocation.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    moonshine said:

    Am I the only one who wishes they’d just get on with it and reunify Ireland so we can be free of endless retweets from Scott about the Northern Ireland Protocol and unflinching unionist posts from HYFUD?

    That won't solve the increasing threats of violence from loyalists, the Troubles would return just mainly from the loyalist side rather than the nationalist side as was the case in the last century.

    Removing the Irish Sea border is the best way to return stability

    https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/uvf-is-actively-planning-to-target-more-irish-politicians-41492302.html
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758

    OT what would you do? Take the money or open the box? Deal or no deal?

    Punter set for £367,200 win if Liverpool land historic quadruple but could take £22k cash out right now
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/betting-tips/18531976/liverpool-quadruple-bet-betfair-odds-lucky-punter-football-betting/

    Note in passing that The Sun correctly refers to a quadruple and not tetralogy or tetrapak or whatever term Scouse pseuds use.

    Should the punter cash out the bet for £22,000 or let it run? Current odds for the remaining two legs are: 7/1 Premier League; 8/15 Champions League.

    Bet as much as they can afford on City and Real as a hedge?.
    Good suggestion. In fact this is a rare occasion where borrowing stake money could make sense.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,594
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

    Far be it from me to be the first to state the obvious...
    But, erm. Isn't that why employers are having huge trouble filling minimum wage positions?
    Thing is, hospitality jobs make most sense for people who are fairly young, without responsibilities, for whom being in a nice place for a summer, or coming to England to improve their English, is part of the package. There isn't enough value added by them to create a job to support a family, unless you want to raise prices to an unviable level.

    The economy will rebalance... Quite possibly with less jobs. But that could be with fewer businesses rather than productivity by mechanisation.
    Maybe it's just because I've moved so am noticing.
    But I'm struck by the sheer number of places to eat round here. Not restaurants, but chippies, pie shops, sandwich shops, kebab places, etc..
    None of them are busy at any time. Can't see how the local economy ever supported them all in the first place.
    And can't see how many will survive for long at this rate.
    How so many grotty takeaways and 8-to-late convenience stores exist is a mystery to everyone I know.

    Its generally assumed that some of them are a front for more dubious activities.
    Yes.
    We've just had 3 closed down for that very reason.
    However. There can't be a market for that many places to deliver drugs either, can there?
    Probably not but there's also prostitution, money laundering and tax credit farming.

    Having cash transactions and people coming and going at all hours must be useful for many criminal activities.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    dixiedean said:

    moonshine said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

    Far be it from me to be the first to state the obvious...
    But, erm. Isn't that why employers are having huge trouble filling minimum wage positions?
    Thing is, hospitality jobs make most sense for people who are fairly young, without responsibilities, for whom being in a nice place for a summer, or coming to England to improve their English, is part of the package. There isn't enough value added by them to create a job to support a family, unless you want to raise prices to an unviable level.

    The economy will rebalance... Quite possibly with less jobs. But that could be with fewer businesses rather than productivity by mechanisation.
    Maybe it's just because I've moved so am noticing.
    But I'm struck by the sheer number of places to eat round here. Not restaurants, but chippies, pie shops, sandwich shops, kebab places, etc..
    None of them are busy at any time. Can't see how the local economy ever supported them all in the first place.
    And can't see how many will survive for long at this rate.
    How so many grotty takeaways and 8-to-late convenience stores exist is a mystery to everyone I know.

    Its generally assumed that some of them are a front for more dubious activities.
    Yes.
    We've just had 3 closed down for that very reason.
    However. There can't be a market for that many places to deliver drugs either, can there?
    Walter White didn’t sell drugs from his car wash but to launder the money
    Fair enough.
    There's some heavy duty laundering going on round here, then.
    As well as laundering, there is also blind optimism since most restaurants are badly-located serial failures but the rise in online shopping and delivery means location does not matter. Your kebab shop does not need to be between the pub and the bus stop now that most of its customers use Deliveroo.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Climbdown back into holding pattern on the Northern Ireland Protocol, from a government evidently quite stuck on what to do. Can't successfully negotiate with the EU for fear of backbenchers / DUP, can't really threaten for fear of the consequences. Government without power. https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1526440124426473472

    Various holding patterns have now been in place for at least 100 years. Brexit threatened to bring a sort of finality between an irresistible force and an immovable object. But everyone manages to keep evading finality. This will continue until there is a united Ireland; at which point no doubt a new holding pattern will form itself. Personally I blame the Vikings and Henry II.

    There will never be a united Ireland, at most the Catholic majority areas will join the Republic but Antrim and East Londonderry and Lagan Valley and the Protestant and Unionist dominated areas will stay in the UK.

    Repartitioning not only Ireland, and not only the province, but even repartitioning Derry!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    The Russian army used Gygorii Tkachenko's farm for a "hunting expedition."

    They fired missiles, shot 157 cows, blew up his buildings.

    Now — defiantly — he's rebuilding.

    This is his harrowing story — and why it matters to the world.

    https://twitter.com/EddyWax/status/1526469235832246274
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,715
    moonshine said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

    Far be it from me to be the first to state the obvious...
    But, erm. Isn't that why employers are having huge trouble filling minimum wage positions?
    Thing is, hospitality jobs make most sense for people who are fairly young, without responsibilities, for whom being in a nice place for a summer, or coming to England to improve their English, is part of the package. There isn't enough value added by them to create a job to support a family, unless you want to raise prices to an unviable level.

    The economy will rebalance... Quite possibly with less jobs. But that could be with fewer businesses rather than productivity by mechanisation.
    Maybe it's just because I've moved so am noticing.
    But I'm struck by the sheer number of places to eat round here. Not restaurants, but chippies, pie shops, sandwich shops, kebab places, etc..
    None of them are busy at any time. Can't see how the local economy ever supported them all in the first place.
    And can't see how many will survive for long at this rate.
    How so many grotty takeaways and 8-to-late convenience stores exist is a mystery to everyone I know.

    Its generally assumed that some of them are a front for more dubious activities.
    Yes.
    We've just had 3 closed down for that very reason.
    However. There can't be a market for that many places to deliver drugs either, can there?
    Walter White didn’t sell drugs from his car wash but to launder the money
    In Ozarks it's a motel, at least initially. Although how so much money can be laundered through one motel remains a mystery to me.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,883
    moonshine said:

    Am I the only one who wishes they’d just get on with it and reunify Ireland so we can be free of endless retweets from Scott about the Northern Ireland Protocol and unflinching unionist posts from HYFUD?

    I agree with the reunification objective, mainly because it is a righting of a100 yr wrong, not just to get Bozo the Clown out of a hole.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401

    dixiedean said:

    moonshine said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

    Far be it from me to be the first to state the obvious...
    But, erm. Isn't that why employers are having huge trouble filling minimum wage positions?
    Thing is, hospitality jobs make most sense for people who are fairly young, without responsibilities, for whom being in a nice place for a summer, or coming to England to improve their English, is part of the package. There isn't enough value added by them to create a job to support a family, unless you want to raise prices to an unviable level.

    The economy will rebalance... Quite possibly with less jobs. But that could be with fewer businesses rather than productivity by mechanisation.
    Maybe it's just because I've moved so am noticing.
    But I'm struck by the sheer number of places to eat round here. Not restaurants, but chippies, pie shops, sandwich shops, kebab places, etc..
    None of them are busy at any time. Can't see how the local economy ever supported them all in the first place.
    And can't see how many will survive for long at this rate.
    How so many grotty takeaways and 8-to-late convenience stores exist is a mystery to everyone I know.

    Its generally assumed that some of them are a front for more dubious activities.
    Yes.
    We've just had 3 closed down for that very reason.
    However. There can't be a market for that many places to deliver drugs either, can there?
    Walter White didn’t sell drugs from his car wash but to launder the money
    Fair enough.
    There's some heavy duty laundering going on round here, then.
    As well as laundering, there is also blind optimism since most restaurants are badly-located serial failures but the rise in online shopping and delivery means location does not matter. Your kebab shop does not need to be between the pub and the bus stop now that most of its customers use Deliveroo.
    Deliveroo doesn't exist round here. Almost every other one is advertising for drivers.
    Remarkable since they seem to do almost no business.
    Maybe it should?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,715

    dixiedean said:

    moonshine said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

    Far be it from me to be the first to state the obvious...
    But, erm. Isn't that why employers are having huge trouble filling minimum wage positions?
    Thing is, hospitality jobs make most sense for people who are fairly young, without responsibilities, for whom being in a nice place for a summer, or coming to England to improve their English, is part of the package. There isn't enough value added by them to create a job to support a family, unless you want to raise prices to an unviable level.

    The economy will rebalance... Quite possibly with less jobs. But that could be with fewer businesses rather than productivity by mechanisation.
    Maybe it's just because I've moved so am noticing.
    But I'm struck by the sheer number of places to eat round here. Not restaurants, but chippies, pie shops, sandwich shops, kebab places, etc..
    None of them are busy at any time. Can't see how the local economy ever supported them all in the first place.
    And can't see how many will survive for long at this rate.
    How so many grotty takeaways and 8-to-late convenience stores exist is a mystery to everyone I know.

    Its generally assumed that some of them are a front for more dubious activities.
    Yes.
    We've just had 3 closed down for that very reason.
    However. There can't be a market for that many places to deliver drugs either, can there?
    Walter White didn’t sell drugs from his car wash but to launder the money
    Fair enough.
    There's some heavy duty laundering going on round here, then.
    As well as laundering, there is also blind optimism since most restaurants are badly-located serial failures but the rise in online shopping and delivery means location does not matter. Your kebab shop does not need to be between the pub and the bus stop now that most of its customers use Deliveroo.
    There's a little cafe very near me. Tiny. Too small to make a living basically. Every two years it folds and is empty for a few weeks.

    And then someone else rents it and opens as...a cafe.

    I often wonder why these people don't do some basic research before setting up.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,370
    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    At last! The government have come up with a solution to the cost of living crisis: get a better paid job!

    https://news.sky.com/story/minister-says-people-should-work-more-hours-or-move-to-a-better-job-to-protect-themselves-from-cost-of-living-surge-12614360

    Far be it from me to be the first to state the obvious...
    But, erm. Isn't that why employers are having huge trouble filling minimum wage positions?
    Thing is, hospitality jobs make most sense for people who are fairly young, without responsibilities, for whom being in a nice place for a summer, or coming to England to improve their English, is part of the package. There isn't enough value added by them to create a job to support a family, unless you want to raise prices to an unviable level.

    The economy will rebalance... Quite possibly with less jobs. But that could be with fewer businesses rather than productivity by mechanisation.
    Apparently some hospitality sectors in the USA - this is a worldwide problem - have had to triple or even quadruple wages to get the staff. This is in many ways a good thing, workers in US hospitality were paid horrible wages and expected to make up for it in tipping. Which is a peculiar custom that descends all the way from slavery: slaves emancipated by Lincoln went north and took hospitality jobs (the easiest for the young and rootless, as now) and their employers decided they could do without “white wages” and it went from there

    So: good riddance. However this means that American hotel prices have gone through the roof. Double, triple, more. Advice: don’t go on holiday in the USA for a year or two
    Given the current £/$ or xyz/$ exchange rate I'm not rushing to go anywhere West - although the Mrs does want to go back to Barbados.

    Thankfully she has used all her holiday up so it won't be this year.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,894
    theakes said:

    HI,
    Anyone else had their email hacked, the basis seeming to come from this site?

    Hacked in what sense? If the baddies have taken control of your email account, then you have a problem because most sites will use it to reset your password. If they are just sending spam to you, or to others pretending it is from you (spoofing) then welcome to the 21st Century.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    A good article on why it's not possible simply to reroute grain exports from Ukraine overland.
    https://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-masterplan-to-get-ukraine-grain-moving/

    Though that may change in time.
    ...Looking further ahead, the Commission is thinking about expanding its strategic infrastructure corridors, dubbed TEN-T, into Ukraine. Such an initiative won't have an immediate impact, but it will make European gauge railways in Ukraine and Moldova eligible for billions in EU funding....

    For now, there's only three months to solve the problem of creating room to store this year's harvest.
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