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LAB lead down to 1% with YouGov – politicalbetting.com

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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,453
    RobD said:

    I thought it was widely accepted the Remain campaign was a bit crap.
    It was in a bit of trouble when Cameron's "renegotiation" - the central basis for going to the voters with our new, shiny, improved deal with the EU - was put on the verboten list.

    By the Remain campaign.

    Thereby acknowledging the very reason many of those voting Leave "actually have a point". And meaning Cameron had to defend the UK's position in the EU prior to the renegotiation - the shit position that required a renegotiation.

    And then Cameron called us Little Englanders for rubbishing his rubbish deal. Way to go, Dave. Add anger, indignation and determination to vote against him to the list.

    Thick Of It, meet Mr Kafka....
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited May 2022
    https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1524103380657917953?t=a5paf3CciU8aSv4A-tH6Lw&s=19

    Reading between the lines, might be worst case outcome for SKS.
    And why are labour 'sources' allowing him to be portrayed as planning weasalling out on a technicality. Are they thick? Or have they received bad news?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,371
    This thread has been shut down like Rod Crosby's posting privileges.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,001
     
    rcs1000 said:

    Rod had but a single problem.

    He couldn't stop talking about the holocaust. We'd give him lots and lots of warnings. "Rod, we love you please stop talking about the holocaust". And he'd stop. And then then next evening, when the red wine was coursing through his veins... he'd forget his earnest promises, and he'd get back on to the holocaust.
    But didn't he have a magnificent set of Hungarian implants?

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,513

    Nonsense of VAR...Aston Villa were offside in build up to goal.

    No, I think that was fair enough. There will be times when the linesman gets it wrong in the other direction. And in those cases, the game stops so we don’t know what would have happened if the game had continued. So we never know about the goals that never happened because the play was stopped incorrectly.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729

    Yes, overall there's more regular or comitted Tory supporters ; this is one of the reasons I would say PB still leans more to the centre-right, at least as a default.
    Of course there was the time when Ukip and other groups were commanding large support. I don't think PB ever quite attracted a committed Ukip / Farage cohort, or similar parties. But that may be because the non-Ukip/Farage outfits were a lot nastier.
    I feel that the most represented group may be ex-Cameroon Remainers followed by regular Lib Dems. Wouldn't say that was centre-right. Would guess that the average comment would vote for a mix-n-match government over Johnson in a forced choice.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,182
    edited May 2022
    EPG said:

    There have never been many regular Labour supporters, have there? I can't remember the entirety of the last 13 years of reading. Obviously a relatively strong representation of ex-MPs but I mean ordinary folk who were activists or even just loyal voters.
    There used to be a girl on here called Apocalypse who was a moderate Labour supporter.

    Very much missed as relief from the endless ranting by the gammonati about the BBC license.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,252

    New Thread

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,243
    vino said:

    That was his poster name - Paul West Ham Fan
    Ah sorry I don't remember him. I was trying to remember when I joined PB. I think it was a couple of years after it started. If I remember rightly about the time Brown became PM as I don't remember discussing Blair on here when he was PM.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,729

    There used to be a girl on here called Apocalypse who was a moderate Labour supporter.

    Very much missed as relief from the endless ranting by the gammonati about the BBC license.
    There was also S**nT's 20-year old Corbynite girlfriend.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,910

    Somewhere between 60 and 90% have had Covid. It’s not surprising that some on here haven’t. We may also have had it without realising. My cold of 8 weeks ago may have been, but a negative test suggested not, but only one test, so maybe.
    If it was Covid, I’ve had worse hangovers. (Thanks vaccines!)
    Hang on.
    Somewhere between 60 and 90%?
    That's a pretty large range. Is no one counting anymore?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Unless you have some sort of genetic immunity to Covid (I suspect we might at some point discover that this exists) and/or you have literally never left the house in the past three years, the chances of you having had covid by now must be at or near 100%.

    It is inevitable that you will catch it unless you have somehow managed to exist without ever seeing another human being.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,610

    It already has a form of PR.
    It is proposing to move to a rather unique form of PR, which seems expressly designed to ensure a permanent duopoly.

    Welsh people should be up in arms about it, unless they literally don’t give a fuck about the legitimacy or competence of their own government.
    I’m not saying the changes are right (or wrong). I’m questioning the claim that FPTP alone has been endorsed by the voters. Sorry, I could’ve been clearer on that.

    I would be interested to see an analysis of how much difference these changes would have. What is being suggested is not as significant as, say, changing from FPTP to STV (as the Scottish local elections did).
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Penddu2 said:

    Why ? It is Welsh people voting for a Welsh government. And which was promised in manifestos of both Plaid and WLab. It is nothing to do with anyone else. If LDs or Greens want to get elected they simply need to win more votes. In reality you should be able to win a seat on about 12-14% - which is enough to keep the likes of BNP/ATWA etc out.
    Ah, if it was in the manifestos: that's different.

    I am uneasy, also, that people on PB cannot always accept the idea that devolution means making different decisions.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,182
    EPG said:

    There was also S**nT's 20-year old Corbynite girlfriend.
    Much missed, I believe she posted as @BlancheLivermore.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,938
    edited May 2022
    EPG said:

    Of course there was the time when Ukip and other groups were commanding large support. I don't think PB ever quite attracted a committed Ukip / Farage cohort, or similar parties. But that may be because the non-Ukip/Farage outfits were a lot nastier.
    I feel that the most represented group may be ex-Cameroon Remainers followed by regular Lib Dems. Wouldn't say that was centre-right. Would guess that the average comment would vote for a mix-n-match government over Johnson in a forced choice.
    I'd partially agree - but I think PB attracts the right of the lib dems much more than the left - see the majority view at most of the Lib Dem leadership elections over the last few years, for instance. To me that's another pillar of its vaguely and broadly centre-right identity, but as people have said, it's also unusual in hosting so many different voices.

    Long may that continue.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    Vino is wrong.

    Lots of a Labour Leavers – Owls, Wulfrun, Rentool to name the first three that just pop out of my head. Pioneers was also a Labour Leaver at the time (now a Lib) and Owls is a PB Tory these days.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,182
    edited May 2022
    Carnyx said:

    Ah, if it was in the manifestos: that's different.

    I am uneasy, also, that people on PB cannot always accept the idea that devolution means making different decisions.
    Devolution doesn’t mean going rogue, though.
    This is a gerrymander.

    At least it should be sanctioned explicitly by voters, not rammed through by party apparatchiks.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617
    Penddu2 said:

    When did we gain independence? Did I sleepwalk into it?? Damn I missedvthe after party..
    Awww, I didn't get the invite either.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,617

    Devolution doesn’t mean going rogue, though.
    This is a gerrymander.

    At least it should be sanctioned explicitly by voters, but rammed through by party apparatchiks.
    It's in the manifesto. What more dfo you want? A referendum?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,585
    dixiedean said:

    Hang on.
    Somewhere between 60 and 90%?
    That's a pretty large range. Is no one counting anymore?
    Not really no, when 99% have antibodies of one sort or another, it doesn’t really matter that much.
  • JACK_WJACK_W Posts: 682
    Alastair Matlock is also missed.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,633
    murali_s said:

    I don’t hate the white working class. I only hate lazy uneducated folk who want to put their woes on hard working foreigners.
    If they weren't lazy and uneducated they would probably stop being working class before long - although they would probably still be white.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,182
    edited May 2022
    Carnyx said:

    It's in the manifesto. What more dfo you want? A referendum?
    At least.

    Personally I don’t think you should change electoral systems without a referendum.

    Secondly I don’t think you should be able to change electoral systems to anything you want; there ought to be minimal “standards” applicable to any political entity inside the UK.

    I don’t think anyone’s thought this through, or they just think the Greens or whoever should campaign better, but if you do the maths it’s very clear what this new system delivers.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,585

    Unless you have some sort of genetic immunity to Covid (I suspect we might at some point discover that this exists) and/or you have literally never left the house in the past three years, the chances of you having had covid by now must be at or near 100%.

    It is inevitable that you will catch it unless you have somehow managed to exist without ever seeing another human being.

    That rather ignores the vaccination effect. I’m not convinced we’ve all had it, but we do all have antibodies.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795

    That rather ignores the vaccination effect. I’m not convinced we’ve all had it, but we do all have antibodies.
    Do vax actually reduce the chances of contracting it much (even asymptomatically)? Of course, there's a nontrivial amount of people who have it but without any symptoms. Mrs Anab had barely a sniffle – she would have been none the wiser were it not for her doing a test when I had Man-Covid.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,795
    dixiedean said:

    Hang on.
    Somewhere between 60 and 90%?
    That's a pretty large range. Is no one counting anymore?
    It's not clear to me why we are still counting TBH.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,185
    edited May 2022

    Beeb cause national security headache by breaking embargo that the cabinet are meeting in Staffs Thursday

    Does Putin have any assets in Uttoxeter?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,185
    nico679 said:

    For those wanting to move to an EU country now the income requirements have almost doubled. This makes it much more difficult . Retiring there is now almost impossible unless you have a very good pension and huge savings , there is no longer reciprocal healthcare so you’d need private health cover .

    Whether people would ever use their previous FOM rights isn’t the point , Brits had that right .

    This is one of the main reasons why the Brexit wounds will be very hard to heal , in most votes the large scale removal of rights doesn’t happen .

    It did however with Brexit .

    Leavers often fail to understand this aspect and some almost gleeful , as if it’s only the metropolitan elite who enjoyed FOM and so the attitude has been suck it up you lost . We also heard the same attitude about Erasmus.

    For those of us lucky enough to have qualified for an EU passport through parents , the anger is somewhat mollified but there’s a lot of people out there who aren’t that lucky.

    An absolutely great post which demonstrates why some of us were so disappointed by the Leave win and subsequent hard as nails Brexit.

    I daresay Boris Johnson would meet the financial requirements and could afford the health insurance.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,287



    Does Putin have any assets in Uttoxeter?
    Russia assets would stick out - they wouldn't be dribbling on the floor. ;)

    (I went to school in Uttoxeter, and lived just over the border. Have family for whom it is their nearest town, so I can joke about it. Also the only place I've ever been offered drugs by a kid outside a bus station.)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,037

    Who is next, Malc?
    And will they be able to maintain SNP supremacy?
    Macbeth Robertson and doubtful
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,037

    Fitaloon and Fitalass were a particularly precious duo as I recall.
    Howdit and dodit, they were crackers
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,037
    IshmaelZ said:

    All you ever do here is call people morons, thickos, idiots and fat. You have never constructed an argument about anything - not even a wrong, stupid, dishonest or simplistic argument. Niente.

    Why is this?
    He keeps it simple
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