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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    Gazprom is also stopping deliveries to Bulgaria from tomorrow according to Russian state media.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    Omnium said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    Live concerts have always been a bit crap. If you can see the band then it'll be far too noisy, and if you can't, well you can't.

    Even concerts where there's just a small audience can fail. For example New Order once played at a Cambridge May Ball (New Hall) - they didn't want to be there at all. However I did get the scout mark for seeing them play!
    The fact you can now watch virtually any gig on YouTube, with high quality sound/video - for free has changed everything for me.

    Haven’t been to a gig for, probably a decade, now.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,798

    Nigelb said:

    The heroic Swiss (from The Guardian). Harry Lime was right, after all.


    Switzerland has vetoed the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Gepard anti-aircraft systems that Germany is sending to Ukraine, the government said…
    .

    As I predicted this morning.

    NATO members should think twice before buying Swiss in future.
    Plus they’re hypocrites.
    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/investigation-exposes-the-use-of-swiss-arms-in-war-zones/47394434
    Given we are fighting an existential war, what would be wrong with a bit of breach of contact? They can sue later. Fuck 'em.
    'We' are not fighting an existential war, we're rightly giving lethal aid to a country that is.
    On the whole I'd feel things would have come to an undesirable pass if we were fighting such a war.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480
    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,172
    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    I wonder in which year the price of the two were roughly the same.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,578
    Nigelb said:

    China - Government statement: reports first human case of H3N8 bird flu - April 26, 2022
    https://twitter.com/FluTrackers/status/1519011762984693762

    "You're joking. Not another one?"
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,172

    Nigelb said:

    China - Government statement: reports first human case of H3N8 bird flu - April 26, 2022
    https://twitter.com/FluTrackers/status/1519011762984693762

    NOT NOW BIRD FLU
    Most of these diseases have probably always been around somewhere or other.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 41,798
    edited April 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Golly

    I suppose we are the grey pound in marketingspeak
    My partner just booked 2 of the last remaining tickets for Marty Stuart in August, £30ish each, not bad I think for a bloke bursting with Country DNA.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Also old music is the new trend.

    https://tedgioia.substack.com/p/the-music-business-turns-into-groundhog?s=r
    … Music has long been a leading cultural indicator. Throughout history you could predict societal changes before they happened, simply by studying what songs are climbing the charts. What does it mean when this forward-looking art form unexpectedly turns around and decides it prefers the past?…
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,172
    rcs1000 said:

    The legal age of marriage and civil partnerships has been raised to 18 in England and Wales.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-61228240

    Wow. I recall that lowering it to sixteen was one of the totemic liberties of the permissive age. Gone without a peep.
    I believe eqaulising gay and straight marriage ages was the big issue.
    True but it's interesting how almost no-one suggested setting them both at 18, it was assumed that 16 was the correct age.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,162

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    I'm seeing Whitesnake and Foreigner at the O2 for sixty quid, which struck me as reasonable, as I'd happily see either band for £30.

    A friend went to see Nick Mason and was well impressed, must try to do likewise.
    He’s coming to the O2 in Newcastle. I’d love to see him. Really like early Pink Floyd but we’ve got tickets to see Alan Partridge that night.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549
    Mick Fealty - In an election in which SF is likely to “beat the DUP”, they may also lose something in the process..

    https://www.sluggerotoole.com/2022/04/26/in-an-election-which-sf-seems-likely-to-beat-the-dup-they-may-also-lose-something-in-the-process/#more-140155

    What an odd election. We know something is coming, but not sure what. Overseas journalists talk casually about Sinn Fein being on the verge of power when in fact what’s coming ought to be a levelling up of status between SF and the DUP. They’ve been in power for twenty years.

    But as I look around the constituencies the rise of the middle shows that losses are going to be very hard to avoid for both Sinn Féin and the DUP (unless their platform falls apart). This may take place in a scenario in which both lose vote share and seats.

    If we look at North Antrim, I see two things. One, the TUV challenge to the DUP is unlikely to yield much either for the TUV or damage the DUP footprint there, and two, the actual challenge is likely to be from Alliance’s Patricia O’Lynne.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    China - Government statement: reports first human case of H3N8 bird flu - April 26, 2022
    https://twitter.com/FluTrackers/status/1519011762984693762

    NOT NOW BIRD FLU
    Most of these diseases have probably always been around somewhere or other.
    Of course.

    Was more just a tongue-in-cheek comment that after a pandemic, war in Europe and a looming commodities/inflation/cost of living crisis, we kind of don't need anything else at the moment!
  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    I’m sure this has already been discussed, but…

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61227622

    “Cost of living crisis: Changes to childcare and MOT rules considered to help budgets”

    Note: only suggestions are stuff that doesn’t cost the treasury anything. Number 10/11 don’t get it. This is an existential crisis for the government.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,210

    Nigelb said:

    The heroic Swiss (from The Guardian). Harry Lime was right, after all.


    Switzerland has vetoed the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Gepard anti-aircraft systems that Germany is sending to Ukraine, the government said…
    .

    As I predicted this morning.

    NATO members should think twice before buying Swiss in future.
    Plus they’re hypocrites.
    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/investigation-exposes-the-use-of-swiss-arms-in-war-zones/47394434
    Given we are fighting an existential war, what would be wrong with a bit of breach of contact? They can sue later. Fuck 'em.
    'We' are not fighting an existential war, we're rightly giving lethal aid to a country that is.
    On the whole I'd feel things would have come to an undesirable pass if we were fighting such a war.
    In this case, I think Lavrov is right. We are effectively belligerents. The US Secretary of State is openly talking about a military defeat of Russia, demilitarisation even.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976
    rcs1000 said:

    Why do employers ask for salary expectations, and what sort of salary should you ask for?

    Because they want to pay as little for you as possible.
    Usually, yes. More rarely, they would prefer to have you just tell them what it'll take to get you, than try to guess, in which case they run the risk of lowballing and hence insulting you.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,210
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The heroic Swiss (from The Guardian). Harry Lime was right, after all.


    Switzerland has vetoed the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Gepard anti-aircraft systems that Germany is sending to Ukraine, the government said…
    .

    As I predicted this morning.

    NATO members should think twice before buying Swiss in future.
    Plus they’re hypocrites.
    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/investigation-exposes-the-use-of-swiss-arms-in-war-zones/47394434
    Given we are fighting an existential war, what would be wrong with a bit of breach of contact? They can sue later. Fuck 'em.
    Not we.
    This is Germany you’re talking about….
    We. NATO. The West. The Contact Group, whatever.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,162

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Golly

    I suppose we are the grey pound in marketingspeak
    My partner just booked 2 of the last remaining tickets for Marty Stuart in August, £30ish each, not bad I think for a bloke bursting with Country DNA.
    Tribute acts now command that sort of price. We’ve seen Aussie Pink Floyd and Rumours of Fleetwood Mac, both cost £35 a ticket. Both were excellent
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Also old music is the new trend.

    https://tedgioia.substack.com/p/the-music-business-turns-into-groundhog?s=r
    … Music has long been a leading cultural indicator. Throughout history you could predict societal changes before they happened, simply by studying what songs are climbing the charts. What does it mean when this forward-looking art form unexpectedly turns around and decides it prefers the past?…
    Anyone remember "The Lawrence Welk Show"? There's your answer!
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,162
    ping said:

    I’m sure this has already been discussed, but…

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61227622

    “Cost of living crisis: Changes to childcare and MOT rules considered to help budgets”

    Note: only suggestions are stuff that doesn’t cost the treasury anything. Number 10/11 don’t get it. This is an existential crisis for the government.

    Totally out of touch, it’s an horrendous look.
  • pingping Posts: 3,805

    Nigelb said:

    The heroic Swiss (from The Guardian). Harry Lime was right, after all.


    Switzerland has vetoed the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Gepard anti-aircraft systems that Germany is sending to Ukraine, the government said…
    .

    As I predicted this morning.

    NATO members should think twice before buying Swiss in future.
    Plus they’re hypocrites.
    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/investigation-exposes-the-use-of-swiss-arms-in-war-zones/47394434
    Given we are fighting an existential war, what would be wrong with a bit of breach of contact? They can sue later. Fuck 'em.
    'We' are not fighting an existential war, we're rightly giving lethal aid to a country that is.
    On the whole I'd feel things would have come to an undesirable pass if we were fighting such a war.
    In this case, I think Lavrov is right. We are effectively belligerents. The US Secretary of State is openly talking about a military defeat of Russia, demilitarisation even.
    I do find that talk rather alarming. Cool heads are required.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,210

    Gazprom is also stopping deliveries to Bulgaria from tomorrow according to Russian state media.

    I'm surprised there hasn't been a big patriotic push to use as little gas and petrol as possible. It's certainly what I'm doing - I've hardly had tge heating on since mid-March and now expect it to be turned off until October. We'd all save some money, and move us all away from needing Russian gas and oil.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549
    NYT ($) - Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken said that the United States would support Ukraine in trying to push Russian forces out of eastern Ukraine if that is what President Volodymyr Zelensky aims to do. Speaking at a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Blinken said, “If that is how they define their objectives as a sovereign, democratic, independent country, that’s what we’ll support.”

    - U.S. arms are moving faster than ever to Ukraine, Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Where it once took weeks from the time of a presidential order, he said, “now, often it’s 72 hours.”
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,069
    ping said:

    I’m sure this has already been discussed, but…

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61227622

    “Cost of living crisis: Changes to childcare and MOT rules considered to help budgets”

    Note: only suggestions are stuff that doesn’t cost the treasury anything. Number 10/11 don’t get it. This is an existential crisis for the government.

    Trouble is that the government cupboard is pretty much bare. No ideas, no money to implement them anyway, and no time to make anything happen before the wave really hits.

    And the two things that would help the economy (build lots more homes and unclog our trade with our near neighbors) are electorally impossible.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    Nigelb said:

    The heroic Swiss (from The Guardian). Harry Lime was right, after all.


    Switzerland has vetoed the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Gepard anti-aircraft systems that Germany is sending to Ukraine, the government said…
    .

    As I predicted this morning.

    NATO members should think twice before buying Swiss in future.
    Plus they’re hypocrites.
    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/investigation-exposes-the-use-of-swiss-arms-in-war-zones/47394434
    Given we are fighting an existential war, what would be wrong with a bit of breach of contact? They can sue later. Fuck 'em.
    'We' are not fighting an existential war, we're rightly giving lethal aid to a country that is.
    On the whole I'd feel things would have come to an undesirable pass if we were fighting such a war.
    In this case, I think Lavrov is right. We are effectively belligerents. The US Secretary of State is openly talking about a military defeat of Russia, demilitarisation even.
    That’s not really what he saud.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549

    Nigelb said:

    The heroic Swiss (from The Guardian). Harry Lime was right, after all.


    Switzerland has vetoed the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Gepard anti-aircraft systems that Germany is sending to Ukraine, the government said…
    .

    As I predicted this morning.

    NATO members should think twice before buying Swiss in future.
    Plus they’re hypocrites.
    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/investigation-exposes-the-use-of-swiss-arms-in-war-zones/47394434
    Given we are fighting an existential war, what would be wrong with a bit of breach of contact? They can sue later. Fuck 'em.
    'We' are not fighting an existential war, we're rightly giving lethal aid to a country that is.
    On the whole I'd feel things would have come to an undesirable pass if we were fighting such a war.
    In this case, I think Lavrov is right. We are effectively belligerents. The US Secretary of State is openly talking about a military defeat of Russia, demilitarisation even.
    Lavrov = Rippentrop. But lacking the class of that 2nd-rate champagne salesman.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,162

    Gazprom is also stopping deliveries to Bulgaria from tomorrow according to Russian state media.

    I'm surprised there hasn't been a big patriotic push to use as little gas and petrol as possible. It's certainly what I'm doing - I've hardly had tge heating on since mid-March and now expect it to be turned off until October. We'd all save some money, and move us all away from needing Russian gas and oil.
    We should be doing that anyway to ‘save the planet’ .

    We’re lucky here that we have had a mild spring so far. We have had our heating off pretty much since mid March too. Really try to economise doing long journeys even if it means arriving half an hour later.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The heroic Swiss (from The Guardian). Harry Lime was right, after all.


    Switzerland has vetoed the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Gepard anti-aircraft systems that Germany is sending to Ukraine, the government said…
    .

    As I predicted this morning.

    NATO members should think twice before buying Swiss in future.
    Plus they’re hypocrites.
    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/investigation-exposes-the-use-of-swiss-arms-in-war-zones/47394434
    Given we are fighting an existential war, what would be wrong with a bit of breach of contact? They can sue later. Fuck 'em.
    Not we.
    This is Germany you’re talking about….
    We. NATO. The West. The Contact Group, whatever.
    Point being Germany will stick to the letter of the rules.
    Most than most of the rest.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549

    Gazprom is also stopping deliveries to Bulgaria from tomorrow according to Russian state media.

    I'm surprised there hasn't been a big patriotic push to use as little gas and petrol as possible. It's certainly what I'm doing - I've hardly had tge heating on since mid-March and now expect it to be turned off until October. We'd all save some money, and move us all away from needing Russian gas and oil.
    Instead, the push is to frack everywhere including beneath your rumpus room AND water table.
  • ping said:

    Nigelb said:

    The heroic Swiss (from The Guardian). Harry Lime was right, after all.


    Switzerland has vetoed the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Gepard anti-aircraft systems that Germany is sending to Ukraine, the government said…
    .

    As I predicted this morning.

    NATO members should think twice before buying Swiss in future.
    Plus they’re hypocrites.
    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/investigation-exposes-the-use-of-swiss-arms-in-war-zones/47394434
    Given we are fighting an existential war, what would be wrong with a bit of breach of contact? They can sue later. Fuck 'em.
    'We' are not fighting an existential war, we're rightly giving lethal aid to a country that is.
    On the whole I'd feel things would have come to an undesirable pass if we were fighting such a war.
    In this case, I think Lavrov is right. We are effectively belligerents. The US Secretary of State is openly talking about a military defeat of Russia, demilitarisation even.
    I do find that talk rather alarming. Cool heads are required.
    I wish our leaders would say that it’s the aggression by Russia that is the problem. If someone had attacked Russia in the same way they attacked Ukraine, we would have offered help to Russia.

    My desired outcome would be a return to the February position then a negotiation about security guarantees for everyone. But it is up to Ukraine to decide what they want because they are the wronged party.

    What we don’t have the right to do is spout rubbish about regime change in Russia. That is up to the Russian people.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528

    This piece by Charles Grant on Macron and the likely direction of the EU is excellent:

    https://www.cer.eu/insights/very-french-europe

    Laughable, and laughable that you believe anything like "strategic autonomy" is possible in any industry for Europe or in defence.

    It's actually delusional to think that Europe or the EU could come anywhere near strategic autonomy in defence after watching the last few months unfold. Not only do Baltic, Scandinavian and Eastern European countries completely mistrust Macron, they also don't believe the EU will act in their favour if it means any economic sacrifice for Germany.

    It's completely ridiculous.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528
    tlg86 said:

    ping said:

    £ down to $1.258

    For a country that imports most of its essentials, that aint good.

    Inflaaaaaation

    Time to put up interest rates.
    Markets are pricing in a weak BoE. I don't blame them, Bailey is a Tory patsy. He'll do whatever the Treasury asks for.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549
    NYT($) - Allies will ‘keep moving heaven and earth’ to supply Ukraine, the U.S. defense chief says.

    In opening remarks to the Ukraine Defense Consultative Group meeting in Germany on Tuesday, Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III told a gathering of defense officials from more than 40 countries that he wanted them to leave with a common understanding of Ukraine’s immediate security requirements.

    “We are going to keep moving heaven and earth so that we can meet them,” Mr. Austin said.

    Speaking to his Ukrainian counterpart, Oleksiy Reznikov, Mr. Austin said: “We’re all here because of Ukraine’s courage, because of the innocent civilians who have been killed, and because of the suffering that your people still endure.”

    The United States gathered allied nations in Germany to discuss accelerating the supply of weapons to help Ukraine fend off Russia’s offensive in the south and east. The meeting came days after Mr. Austin and Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken made a secretive visit to Kyiv, where they pledged more assistance in a meeting with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine.

    The meeting in Germany included representatives from Albania, Australia, Belgium, Britain, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Israel, Italy, Kenya, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Montenegro, the Netherlands, North Macedonia, Norway, Poland, Qatar, Romania, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Spain and Turkey, as well as NATO and the European Union. Officials from Germany, the United States and Ukraine sat at the head of the table.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    This might be the future of US conservatism, apparently.
    Anyone got the stamina to read the whole thing ?

    Inside the New Right, Where Peter Thiel Is Placing His Biggest Bets
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/04/inside-the-new-right-where-peter-thiel-is-placing-his-biggest-bets
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Oh don't, I have booked to see the Pub Singer (Elton John) in Swansea at £300 a ticket. It was to celebrate our 60th this year. I booked it pre Covid before I realised he is now absolutely unlistenable. And to make matters worse Roxy Music and James Taylor are touring this year, either of which will be far, far better.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,342
    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Saw Dylan, Santana and UB40 at Wembley Stadium 1983.
    £4.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Oh don't, I have booked to see the Pub Singer (Elton John) in Swansea at £300 a ticket. It was to celebrate our 60th this year. I booked it pre Covid before I realised he is now absolutely unlistenable. And to make matters worse Roxy Music and James Taylor are touring this year, either of which will be far, far better.
    Flog your EJ tickets online somewhere, surely someone will want 'em?

    Might have to take some loss, on other hand who knows, you could end up subsidizing your celebrations!
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,363
    edited April 2022

    Apparently Germany's gas storage is only 33% full and the largest facility (owned by Gazprom) is almost empty.

    https://www.energie-und-management.de/nachrichten/detail/die-gasfluesse-sind-stabil-152443

    Only? According to the article you reference, 33% is pretty good. It's about 5% higher than the same time last year, and up from 26% in March.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Oh don't, I have booked to see the Pub Singer (Elton John) in Swansea at £300 a ticket. It was to celebrate our 60th this year. I booked it pre Covid before I realised he is now absolutely unlistenable. And to make matters worse Roxy Music and James Taylor are touring this year, either of which will be far, far better.
    Flog your EJ tickets online somewhere, surely someone will want 'em?

    Might have to take some loss, on other hand who knows, you could end up subsidizing your celebrations!
    I don't believe it is even sold out, otherwise I would.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 21,965
    I appear to have different musical tastes to quite a number of PBers.

    Which isn't a bad thing.
  • What a game

    City should be 6 - 1 up but for careless finishing but it is now 3 - 2
  • dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Saw Dylan, Santana and UB40 at Wembley Stadium 1983.
    £4.
    Latecomer.

    Saw Santana at Fillmore West, July 1969. They hadn't made a record at the time but were top of the bill just on local reputation.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123
    The Man City v Real Madrid game is reminiscent of the Man Utd v Real Madrid game in 2003, which, apparently, is what got Abramovich hooked on football.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,503
    Holiday anecdote - I had dinner last night with 6 relatives and their friends in rural Blue Wall country. All of them are normally Tory - two are Countryside Alliance supporters and active in shooting and fishing. None of them will vote Conservative next week. They won't vote Labour either - variously Green and Independent. Not especially anti-Starmer, but too big a jump.

    One - a Conservative party member till two years ago - said flatly, "Honour matters in Government, or it should. I don't vote for liars" - everyone nodded.

    I wonder if some of the Blue Wall results will be quite startling.
  • tlg86 said:

    The Man City v Real Madrid game is reminiscent of the Man Utd v Real Madrid game in 2003, which, apparently, is what got Abramovich hooked on football.

    I was at that game
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,123

    tlg86 said:

    The Man City v Real Madrid game is reminiscent of the Man Utd v Real Madrid game in 2003, which, apparently, is what got Abramovich hooked on football.

    I was at that game
    Did you stand up and applaud Ronaldo when he was taken off?

    And did you boo McManaman when he came on a few minutes later?
  • I appear to have different musical tastes to quite a number of PBers.

    Which isn't a bad thing.

    I suppose Kenneth McKellar is something of an acquired taste.
  • tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    The Man City v Real Madrid game is reminiscent of the Man Utd v Real Madrid game in 2003, which, apparently, is what got Abramovich hooked on football.

    I was at that game
    Did you stand up and applaud Ronaldo when he was taken off?

    And did you boo McManaman when he came on a few minutes later?
    It was some game as is this
  • Nigelb said:

    The heroic Swiss (from The Guardian). Harry Lime was right, after all.


    Switzerland has vetoed the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Gepard anti-aircraft systems that Germany is sending to Ukraine, the government said…
    .

    As I predicted this morning.

    NATO members should think twice before buying Swiss in future.
    Plus they’re hypocrites.
    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/investigation-exposes-the-use-of-swiss-arms-in-war-zones/47394434
    Given we are fighting an existential war, what would be wrong with a bit of breach of contact? They can sue later. Fuck 'em.
    'We' are not fighting an existential war, we're rightly giving lethal aid to a country that is.
    On the whole I'd feel things would have come to an undesirable pass if we were fighting such a war.
    In this case, I think Lavrov is right. We are effectively belligerents. The US Secretary of State is openly talking about a military defeat of Russia, demilitarisation even.
    Lavrov = Rippentrop. But lacking the class of that 2nd-rate champagne salesman.
    Would that be Jack the Rippentrop? :wink:

  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758

    ping said:

    Nigelb said:

    The heroic Swiss (from The Guardian). Harry Lime was right, after all.


    Switzerland has vetoed the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Gepard anti-aircraft systems that Germany is sending to Ukraine, the government said…
    .

    As I predicted this morning.

    NATO members should think twice before buying Swiss in future.
    Plus they’re hypocrites.
    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/investigation-exposes-the-use-of-swiss-arms-in-war-zones/47394434
    Given we are fighting an existential war, what would be wrong with a bit of breach of contact? They can sue later. Fuck 'em.
    'We' are not fighting an existential war, we're rightly giving lethal aid to a country that is.
    On the whole I'd feel things would have come to an undesirable pass if we were fighting such a war.
    In this case, I think Lavrov is right. We are effectively belligerents. The US Secretary of State is openly talking about a military defeat of Russia, demilitarisation even.
    I do find that talk rather alarming. Cool heads are required.
    I wish our leaders would say that it’s the aggression by Russia that is the problem. If someone had attacked Russia in the same way they attacked Ukraine, we would have offered help to Russia.

    My desired outcome would be a return to the February position then a negotiation about security guarantees for everyone. But it is up to Ukraine to decide what they want because they are the wronged party.

    What we don’t have the right to do is spout rubbish about regime change in Russia. That is up to the Russian people.
    The government shouldn't spout regime change but it does need to be the covert policy long-term. Why? Current aggression is not an aberration of Putin clique but systematic outcome of Russian political and economic structures. I don't mean there should be any lunatic interventions but we need to assist Ukraine towards a comprehensive victory and also maintain sanctions until war crimes issue is dealt with. A big defeat will cause big changes inside Russia, risky indeed but also an opportunity that West must try to engage with.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480
    edited April 2022

    Nigelb said:

    The heroic Swiss (from The Guardian). Harry Lime was right, after all.


    Switzerland has vetoed the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Gepard anti-aircraft systems that Germany is sending to Ukraine, the government said…
    .

    As I predicted this morning.

    NATO members should think twice before buying Swiss in future.
    Plus they’re hypocrites.
    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/investigation-exposes-the-use-of-swiss-arms-in-war-zones/47394434
    Given we are fighting an existential war, what would be wrong with a bit of breach of contact? They can sue later. Fuck 'em.
    'We' are not fighting an existential war, we're rightly giving lethal aid to a country that is.
    On the whole I'd feel things would have come to an undesirable pass if we were fighting such a war.
    In this case, I think Lavrov is right. We are effectively belligerents. The US Secretary of State is openly talking about a military defeat of Russia, demilitarisation even.
    Thats already happening. Russia has confirmed losses of more tanks in the last 2 months than they normally manufacture in 2 years.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549

    Nigelb said:

    The heroic Swiss (from The Guardian). Harry Lime was right, after all.


    Switzerland has vetoed the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Gepard anti-aircraft systems that Germany is sending to Ukraine, the government said…
    .

    As I predicted this morning.

    NATO members should think twice before buying Swiss in future.
    Plus they’re hypocrites.
    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/investigation-exposes-the-use-of-swiss-arms-in-war-zones/47394434
    Given we are fighting an existential war, what would be wrong with a bit of breach of contact? They can sue later. Fuck 'em.
    'We' are not fighting an existential war, we're rightly giving lethal aid to a country that is.
    On the whole I'd feel things would have come to an undesirable pass if we were fighting such a war.
    In this case, I think Lavrov is right. We are effectively belligerents. The US Secretary of State is openly talking about a military defeat of Russia, demilitarisation even.
    Lavrov = Rippentrop. But lacking the class of that 2nd-rate champagne salesman.
    Would that be Jack the Rippentrop? :wink:

    Don't blame ME if German-speakers cannot make up their minds between b & p! As in Habsburg/Hapsburg.

  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549

    Holiday anecdote - I had dinner last night with 6 relatives and their friends in rural Blue Wall country. All of them are normally Tory - two are Countryside Alliance supporters and active in shooting and fishing. None of them will vote Conservative next week. They won't vote Labour either - variously Green and Independent. Not especially anti-Starmer, but too big a jump.

    One - a Conservative party member till two years ago - said flatly, "Honour matters in Government, or it should. I don't vote for liars" - everyone nodded.

    I wonder if some of the Blue Wall results will be quite startling.

    Not too startling, I hope. I'm a Lib Dem paper candidate in a Blue Wall ward, but I really don't want to be a councillor!
    You cannot fight destiny . . . best get a nice seat cushion for those loooooooong council meetings!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528
    edited April 2022

    Holiday anecdote - I had dinner last night with 6 relatives and their friends in rural Blue Wall country. All of them are normally Tory - two are Countryside Alliance supporters and active in shooting and fishing. None of them will vote Conservative next week. They won't vote Labour either - variously Green and Independent. Not especially anti-Starmer, but too big a jump.

    One - a Conservative party member till two years ago - said flatly, "Honour matters in Government, or it should. I don't vote for liars" - everyone nodded.

    I wonder if some of the Blue Wall results will be quite startling.

    Not too startling, I hope. I'm a Lib Dem paper candidate in a Blue Wall ward, but I really don't want to be a councillor!
    Happened to a friend of mine, she only stood as a favour for her dad who was in the local party. Ended up actually bloody winning because the local council made loads of unpopular decisions in the run up to the election.

    She resigned at the earliest opportunity, unsurprising given that she was a student and had precisely zero interest in politics, local or otherwise.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Mine was The Rolling Stones at the Chez Don in Dalston High Street - 7s6d to get in.

    Beat that. :smile:
    I paid £10.80 to see the Rolling Stones at the old Wembley stadium in 1982. I blew £30 that weekend on the town, staying with my brother at Uni.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 2,960
    This custom might help explain where some of the early marriages in the US occur: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinceañera

    Hispanics are a higher proportion of the young than of the total population.

    Both my sisters married before they were 21, something common back in the 1960s. Foxy, and other medical professionals, may be able to check this, but I believe that babies have the best medical odds if they are born when both parents are between 21 and 30.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    Nigelb said:

    The heroic Swiss (from The Guardian). Harry Lime was right, after all.


    Switzerland has vetoed the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Gepard anti-aircraft systems that Germany is sending to Ukraine, the government said…
    .

    As I predicted this morning.

    NATO members should think twice before buying Swiss in future.
    Plus they’re hypocrites.
    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/investigation-exposes-the-use-of-swiss-arms-in-war-zones/47394434
    Given we are fighting an existential war, what would be wrong with a bit of breach of contact? They can sue later. Fuck 'em.
    'We' are not fighting an existential war, we're rightly giving lethal aid to a country that is.
    On the whole I'd feel things would have come to an undesirable pass if we were fighting such a war.
    In this case, I think Lavrov is right. We are effectively belligerents. The US Secretary of State is openly talking about a military defeat of Russia, demilitarisation even.
    Lavrov = Rippentrop. But lacking the class of that 2nd-rate champagne salesman.
    Would that be Jack the Rippentrop? :wink:

    Don't blame ME if German-speakers cannot make up their minds between b & p! As in Habsburg/Hapsburg.

    Not can Koreans - ㅂ
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549
    MaxPB said:

    Holiday anecdote - I had dinner last night with 6 relatives and their friends in rural Blue Wall country. All of them are normally Tory - two are Countryside Alliance supporters and active in shooting and fishing. None of them will vote Conservative next week. They won't vote Labour either - variously Green and Independent. Not especially anti-Starmer, but too big a jump.

    One - a Conservative party member till two years ago - said flatly, "Honour matters in Government, or it should. I don't vote for liars" - everyone nodded.

    I wonder if some of the Blue Wall results will be quite startling.

    Not too startling, I hope. I'm a Lib Dem paper candidate in a Blue Wall ward, but I really don't want to be a councillor!
    Happened to a friend of mine, she only stood as a favour for her dad who was in the local party. Ended up actually bloody winning because the local council made loads of unpopular decisions in the run up to the election.
    In 1932 general election Democrats when from a handful in the WA state legislature to a majority of both houses. At the opening of the 1933 legislative session, plenty of Dems who never expected to get elected found themselves running the show. Bunch of them ended up renting a house and sleeping on cots half-dozen to a room.

    Except for one newly-elected state representative, who had been recruited as ballot-filler, and turned out was a convicted felon (statutory rape) meaning he was ineligible to be elected.

    So one of the first orders of business for the House, was voting to expel him.
  • Nigelb said:

    The heroic Swiss (from The Guardian). Harry Lime was right, after all.


    Switzerland has vetoed the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Gepard anti-aircraft systems that Germany is sending to Ukraine, the government said…
    .

    As I predicted this morning.

    NATO members should think twice before buying Swiss in future.
    Plus they’re hypocrites.
    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/investigation-exposes-the-use-of-swiss-arms-in-war-zones/47394434
    Given we are fighting an existential war, what would be wrong with a bit of breach of contact? They can sue later. Fuck 'em.
    'We' are not fighting an existential war, we're rightly giving lethal aid to a country that is.
    On the whole I'd feel things would have come to an undesirable pass if we were fighting such a war.
    In this case, I think Lavrov is right. We are effectively belligerents. The US Secretary of State is openly talking about a military defeat of Russia, demilitarisation even.
    Lavrov = Rippentrop. But lacking the class of that 2nd-rate champagne salesman.
    Would that be Jack the Rippentrop? :wink:

    Don't blame ME if German-speakers cannot make up their minds between b & p! As in Habsburg/Hapsburg.

    Seriously, I'm inclined to regard Lavrov as a fairly inconsequential figure and not part of Putin's inner circle. He's one of their useful idiots, a bit like Comical Ali in the Iraq war.

    Incidentally, his daughter is something of a party-loving art student in London. My guess is he'd call her home if there were any chance of a nuke being fired at the capital.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,460
    10-9 on aggregate over two legs?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    Holiday anecdote - I had dinner last night with 6 relatives and their friends in rural Blue Wall country. All of them are normally Tory - two are Countryside Alliance supporters and active in shooting and fishing. None of them will vote Conservative next week. They won't vote Labour either - variously Green and Independent. Not especially anti-Starmer, but too big a jump.

    One - a Conservative party member till two years ago - said flatly, "Honour matters in Government, or it should. I don't vote for liars" - everyone nodded.

    I wonder if some of the Blue Wall results will be quite startling.

    Not too startling, I hope. I'm a Lib Dem paper candidate in a Blue Wall ward, but I really don't want to be a councillor!
    Nick's relatives are right. It is a damned disgrace. I dearly hope that Johnson gets an absolute shellacking next week.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Oh don't, I have booked to see the Pub Singer (Elton John) in Swansea at £300 a ticket. It was to celebrate our 60th this year. I booked it pre Covid before I realised he is now absolutely unlistenable. And to make matters worse Roxy Music and James Taylor are touring this year, either of which will be far, far better.
    I saw EJ in 1990, a great show, so he might be better still as has had more years of practice!

    Generally tickets for rescheduled dates have a refund option. I got The Handsome Family refunded as I couldn't make the new date.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Mine was The Rolling Stones at the Chez Don in Dalston High Street - 7s6d to get in.

    Beat that. :smile:
    My hand with Marillion at Birmingham Odeon just folded.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    This custom might help explain where some of the early marriages in the US occur: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinceañera

    Hispanics are a higher proportion of the young than of the total population.

    Both my sisters married before they were 21, something common back in the 1960s. Foxy, and other medical professionals, may be able to check this, but I believe that babies have the best medical odds if they are born when both parents are between 21 and 30.

    Yes, I think that is still true, though Median first birth is now over 30 now, a large part of the reason for smaller familes. There simply isnt that much time left for more.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994

    Holiday anecdote - I had dinner last night with 6 relatives and their friends in rural Blue Wall country. All of them are normally Tory - two are Countryside Alliance supporters and active in shooting and fishing. None of them will vote Conservative next week. They won't vote Labour either - variously Green and Independent. Not especially anti-Starmer, but too big a jump.

    One - a Conservative party member till two years ago - said flatly, "Honour matters in Government, or it should. I don't vote for liars" - everyone nodded.

    I wonder if some of the Blue Wall results will be quite startling.

    I won't vote, but that's an easy choice for me to make as there are no elections in East Hampshire this year.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,425
    The post office doc. Wowsa.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Saw Dylan, Santana and UB40 at Wembley Stadium 1983.
    £4.
    Latecomer.

    Saw Santana at Fillmore West, July 1969. They hadn't made a record at the time but were top of the bill just on local reputation.
    That IS impressive.

    You can buy poster for that concert on Ebay for $54.99 plus shipping.

    OR from this guy
    https://www.wolfgangs.com/posters/santana/poster/BG160.html
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Mine was The Rolling Stones at the Chez Don in Dalston High Street - 7s6d to get in.

    Beat that. :smile:
    My hand with Marillion at Birmingham Odeon just folded.
    JackW saw the young Mozart at one of Salieri’s soirées, allegedly.
    Didn't JackW also help write the Skye Boat Song? OR did he just hum a few bars for Bonnie Prince Charlie?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,200
    Wow this Man City v Real Madrid game is superb . A wonderful advert for football .
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401

    Nigelb said:

    The heroic Swiss (from The Guardian). Harry Lime was right, after all.


    Switzerland has vetoed the re-export of Swiss-made ammunition used in Gepard anti-aircraft systems that Germany is sending to Ukraine, the government said…
    .

    As I predicted this morning.

    NATO members should think twice before buying Swiss in future.
    Plus they’re hypocrites.
    https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/investigation-exposes-the-use-of-swiss-arms-in-war-zones/47394434
    Given we are fighting an existential war, what would be wrong with a bit of breach of contact? They can sue later. Fuck 'em.
    'We' are not fighting an existential war, we're rightly giving lethal aid to a country that is.
    On the whole I'd feel things would have come to an undesirable pass if we were fighting such a war.
    In this case, I think Lavrov is right. We are effectively belligerents. The US Secretary of State is openly talking about a military defeat of Russia, demilitarisation even.
    Lavrov = Rippentrop. But lacking the class of that 2nd-rate champagne salesman.
    Would that be Jack the Rippentrop? :wink:

    Don't blame ME if German-speakers cannot make up their minds between b & p! As in Habsburg/Hapsburg.

    Seriously, I'm inclined to regard Lavrov as a fairly inconsequential figure and not part of Putin's inner circle. He's one of their useful idiots, a bit like Comical Ali in the Iraq war.

    Incidentally, his daughter is something of a party-loving art student in London. My guess is he'd call her home if there were any chance of a nuke being fired at the capital.
    If he's outside the inner circle how would he know when the nukes are about to go?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,895
    Tesla shares plunge 12%, hemorrhage $126 billion in market value in single session http://dlvr.it/SPHtyP https://twitter.com/Automotive_News/status/1519054975493492737/photo/1
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,460
    nico679 said:

    Wow this Man City v Real Madrid game is superb . A wonderful advert for football .

    If Man City don't go through they will be kicking themselves, as they should have 6..7...8...goals at least.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480
    edited April 2022
    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Mine was The Rolling Stones at the Chez Don in Dalston High Street - 7s6d to get in.

    Beat that. :smile:
    My hand with Marillion at Birmingham Odeon just folded.
    JackW saw the young Mozart at one of Salieri’s soirées, allegedly.
    Yes, but was the ticket cheaper than the sheet music?
  • Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Mine was The Rolling Stones at the Chez Don in Dalston High Street - 7s6d to get in.

    Beat that. :smile:
    I paid £10.80 to see the Rolling Stones at the old Wembley stadium in 1982. I blew £30 that weekend on the town, staying with my brother at Uni.
    Who is attending the Anfield concert?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,639

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Mine was The Rolling Stones at the Chez Don in Dalston High Street - 7s6d to get in.

    Beat that. :smile:
    My hand with Marillion at Birmingham Odeon just folded.
    JackW saw the young Mozart at one of Salieri’s soirées, allegedly.
    Didn't JackW also help write the Skye Boat Song? OR did he just hum a few bars for Bonnie Prince Charlie?
    Bit too modern. Surely the Táin Bó Cúailnge?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480
    edited April 2022

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Mine was The Rolling Stones at the Chez Don in Dalston High Street - 7s6d to get in.

    Beat that. :smile:
    My hand with Marillion at Birmingham Odeon just folded.
    I love most live music, but Marillion would stretch me past breaking point. They are no Radiohead...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Mine was The Rolling Stones at the Chez Don in Dalston High Street - 7s6d to get in.

    Beat that. :smile:
    My hand with Marillion at Birmingham Odeon just folded.
    JackW saw the young Mozart at one of Salieri’s soirées, allegedly.
    Yes, but was the ticket cheaper than the sheet music?
    Yes.
    https://www.classicfm.com/composers/mozart/early-manuscript-auctioned-sothebys-paris-170-000/
  • Holiday anecdote - I had dinner last night with 6 relatives and their friends in rural Blue Wall country. All of them are normally Tory - two are Countryside Alliance supporters and active in shooting and fishing. None of them will vote Conservative next week. They won't vote Labour either - variously Green and Independent. Not especially anti-Starmer, but too big a jump.

    One - a Conservative party member till two years ago - said flatly, "Honour matters in Government, or it should. I don't vote for liars" - everyone nodded.

    I wonder if some of the Blue Wall results will be quite startling.

    I won't vote, but that's an easy choice for me to make as there are no elections in East Hampshire this year.
    No matter. We'll accept that as a notional abstention.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MrEd said:

    kinabalu said:

    Aslan said:

    I do believe Corbyn would have been a better PM than Johnson yes, that's a sincerely held view. Johnson is a 0, Corbyn a 0.1

    Ukraine would have been screwed right now had Corbyn been in charge.
    I get the sentiment but this is to overestimate the role of the British PM in the conflict.
    I think that’s unfair on BJ (and the U.K.). It’s clear given the hesitancy of countries such as France and Germany - and indeed the US - that they would have been quietly satisfied for the Ukraine problem to go away with a swift Russian victory which would have led them to go “oh well”. Arguably, the U.K. was the one that stiffened the spines with its shipments, as well as giving the Eastern European / Baltic states one of the big NATO countries on their side.
    I think that's broadly right, although I would also credit the Baltics and Poland too.

    Edit to add: I think Italy, Japan and India also deserve far more opprobrium than they get. The last of them basically supports Russian actions, while Japan has upped purchases of Russian gas and Italy (along with Hungary) has been the most opposed to EU sanctions.
    I think that's slightly unfair to India, who now find themselves in a uniquely difficult geopolitical situation. India had a strong relationship with Ukraine before the war and so really does not support the war, but they are so desperate to have Russian support in any future conflict with China that they can't say so.
    Yet Russia and China are as thick as thieves, and if they end up in a war with China, it will be the West that they rely on for support.
    Ironically, I think India are trapped in a post colonial/cold war era mindset and are struggling to adapt to the fact the world has changed, and now need to make some clearer choices.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    Holiday anecdote - I had dinner last night with 6 relatives and their friends in rural Blue Wall country. All of them are normally Tory - two are Countryside Alliance supporters and active in shooting and fishing. None of them will vote Conservative next week. They won't vote Labour either - variously Green and Independent. Not especially anti-Starmer, but too big a jump.

    One - a Conservative party member till two years ago - said flatly, "Honour matters in Government, or it should. I don't vote for liars" - everyone nodded.

    I wonder if some of the Blue Wall results will be quite startling.

    I won't vote, but that's an easy choice for me to make as there are no elections in East Hampshire this year.
    No matter. We'll accept that as a notional abstention.
    I shall also be abstaining for similar reasons, so CR and I will cancel out.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,320
    Bulgaria has served as a transit route for gas to Russia-friendly countries like Serbia and Hungary

    Bulgaria did not expect being 100% cut off from Russian gas but said in February that if it did, its first response would be to suspend electricity exports to the region


    https://twitter.com/samramani2/status/1519056383680946177
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Mine was The Rolling Stones at the Chez Don in Dalston High Street - 7s6d to get in.

    Beat that. :smile:
    My hand with Marillion at Birmingham Odeon just folded.
    I love most live music, but Marillion would stretch me past breaking point. They are no Radiohead...
    This was the Fish days.

    And Peter Hammill was the support act.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,401
    Scott_xP said:

    Tesla shares plunge 12%, hemorrhage $126 billion in market value in single session http://dlvr.it/SPHtyP https://twitter.com/Automotive_News/status/1519054975493492737/photo/1

    They've realised Musk will be tied up for months dealing with bots on twitter rather than driving Tesla forward?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    nico679 said:

    Wow this Man City v Real Madrid game is superb . A wonderful advert for football .

    If Man City don't go through they will be kicking themselves, as they should have 6..7...8...goals at least.
    Sets up for an interesting away match now.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    Scott_xP said:

    Tesla shares plunge 12%, hemorrhage $126 billion in market value in single session http://dlvr.it/SPHtyP https://twitter.com/Automotive_News/status/1519054975493492737/photo/1

    They've realised Musk will be tied up for months dealing with bots on twitter rather than driving Tesla forward?
    I think expecting him to sell a lot of Tesla shares.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,528

    Scott_xP said:

    Tesla shares plunge 12%, hemorrhage $126 billion in market value in single session http://dlvr.it/SPHtyP https://twitter.com/Automotive_News/status/1519054975493492737/photo/1

    They've realised Musk will be tied up for months dealing with bots on twitter rather than driving Tesla forward?
    Nah, looming recession in China. One of Tesla's biggest markets is China both for consumption and production.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    I've mentioned it before but the Vaccine rollout to 5-11 children is a farce.

    You are supposed to wait 12 weeks for your child's first vaccination if they've had Covid. Given the sheer volume of kids who have had Covid recently that's a lot of pushed back appointments.

    The reason for doing so is apparently safety. But PCR testing has stopped/is stopping. So how are parents supposed to know if their child hasn't got Covid again in the intervening time (as 12 week is longer than the current 4 week immunity window -the immunity window used to be 90 days but has been shortened to 28 days).

    So now getting the Covid vaccine is basically unsafe by the government guidelines as the chance of a child getting undetected Covid must be very high.

    Even without that Kafkaesque situation the gap is so large, followed by a further 12 week gap for the second dose, that in Scotland at least there is no chance of swathes of the child population getting double vaxxed before the new school year starts.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Mine was The Rolling Stones at the Chez Don in Dalston High Street - 7s6d to get in.

    Beat that. :smile:
    My hand with Marillion at Birmingham Odeon just folded.
    I love most live music, but Marillion would stretch me past breaking point. They are no Radiohead...
    This was the Fish days.

    And Peter Hammill was the support act.
    I never really got Prog Rock, Pink Floyd excepted, though I did have a girlfriend who was really into Yes.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 59,994
    That Charles Grant article reads like a love letter to Macron to me; he's hoping he'll fulfil the federalist agenda he's always dreamed of, even whilst he acknowledges (without blinking) that other EU nations are not in the same place at the same time.

    It will be interesting to revisit the article in 5 years time to see how much of it actually happened. And on that which may, such as moves on defence and security, how far they did so without substantial British support.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Mine was The Rolling Stones at the Chez Don in Dalston High Street - 7s6d to get in.

    Beat that. :smile:
    I paid £10.80 to see the Rolling Stones at the old Wembley stadium in 1982. I blew £30 that weekend on the town, staying with my brother at Uni.
    I saw them there for a fiver in 1990. The reason being there was some kickball bollocks going on the same evening (Germany?) and people were virtually giving their tickets away. Most boring concert I have ever been to, partly but not only because Jagger wanted to pop backstage between numbers to watch the kickball on telly.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,480
    edited April 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Mine was The Rolling Stones at the Chez Don in Dalston High Street - 7s6d to get in.

    Beat that. :smile:
    I paid £10.80 to see the Rolling Stones at the old Wembley stadium in 1982. I blew £30 that weekend on the town, staying with my brother at Uni.
    I saw them there for a fiver in 1990. The reason being there was some kickball bollocks going on the same evening (Germany?) and people were virtually giving their tickets away. Most boring concert I have ever been to, partly but not only because Jagger wanted to pop backstage between numbers to watch the kickball on telly.
    Wembley '82 was very lively. J Geils Band and Aswad as support too. Both were very good, though JGB only known for one song in the UK.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Saw Dylan, Santana and UB40 at Wembley Stadium 1983.
    £4.
    Latecomer.

    Saw Santana at Fillmore West, July 1969. They hadn't made a record at the time but were top of the bill just on local reputation.
    Cool. A month before woodstock, where Carlos Santana was a bit off the pace for his set cos Jerry Garcia introduced him to mescaline half an hour before it started
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Scott_xP said:

    Tesla shares plunge 12%, hemorrhage $126 billion in market value in single session http://dlvr.it/SPHtyP https://twitter.com/Automotive_News/status/1519054975493492737/photo/1

    He's pledged his Tesla shares as collateral on the Twitter deal and the fear is that, if he doesn't find partners to help finance the deal, there will be a massive overhang on the stock
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,549
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Groovier people than me: is £55 really what it costs these days to see Nick Mason at Plymouth Pavilions? It is a long time since I went to a concert not a festival.

    Quite reasonable. Most of the tickets for this year's Roxy Music tour (surely the last?) are higher than that.

    https://www.gigsandtours.com/tour/roxy-music
    Yes, back I the 90s you could usually see live music for less than the price of an album. A concert now costs five or six times as much as an album.
    One reason that we see these dinosaurs touring their back catalogue is that they don't make money on streamed albums. Now they charge for the show, rather than tour at low cost to sell the album.

    My first gig was UFO at Southampton Gaumont at £3.25 in 1980.

    Mine was The Rolling Stones at the Chez Don in Dalston High Street - 7s6d to get in.

    Beat that. :smile:
    My hand with Marillion at Birmingham Odeon just folded.
    I love most live music, but Marillion would stretch me past breaking point. They are no Radiohead...
    This was the Fish days.

    And Peter Hammill was the support act.
    I never really got Prog Rock, Pink Floyd excepted, though I did have a girlfriend who was really into Yes.
    So was YOU saying yes to Yes, a stratagem for getting HER to say yes?
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