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Do Republican politicians even want to be Senators these days? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,020
edited May 2022 in General
imageDo Republican politicians even want to be Senators these days? – politicalbetting.com

Midterm elections are golden opportunities for opposition parties to gain seats. The Republicans have their sights on winning several senate seats from the Democrats, as well as retain some competitive states where long-standing Senators are standing down.

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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    second
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    FPT:
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    F1: fairly entertaining sprint race. The format remains stupid.

    Pre-race tosh will be up tomorrow, as usual, so the markets have time to get going.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,426
    edited April 2022
    Republican Governors are even more intriguing, some of them are truly bat shit crazy.

    Special circle of hell for the governors who are so pro life they are undertaking a record breaking number of executions.
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    FPT:
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    F1: fairly entertaining sprint race. The format remains stupid.

    Pre-race tosh will be up tomorrow, as usual, so the markets have time to get going.

    The sprint races are great.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115
    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....
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    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. Eagles, you madman.
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    Mr. Eagles, you madman.

    The final sprint race of last season was awesome, listen to me, your failure to embrace the sprint races will see you turn in to the Luca Badoer of F1 tipsters.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,983
    Mr. Eagles, I don't recall Luca Badoer having a 250/1 winning tip.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896

    Mr. Eagles, you madman.

    The final sprint race of last season was awesome, listen to me, your failure to embrace the sprint races will see you turn in to the Luca Badoer of F1 tipsters.
    The final sprint race of last season, was only good because they put Mr Hamilton to the back and he had to fight through. Apart from that, they’re a crap idea that sadly increase the TV and live audiences so they’re not going anywhere.

    If I were F1 God, I’d have a standalone Sprint championship on Saturdays, maybe with a reverse championship grid and a $1m prize for the winning driver over the season. Most importantly, it would have nothing to do with the qualifying and Grand Prix, completely on its own so the drivers can take risks. If they want some American razzmatazz, put the $1m in cash in a Perspex briefcase and bring it to all the podium ceremonies and press conferences - but leave the qualifying format and Grand Prix alone!
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,942
    rcs1000 said:

    I know: and if you try and organise an armed insurrection, the bloody snowflakes try and use it against you.

    Only if it doesn't work...
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    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Eagles, you madman.

    The final sprint race of last season was awesome, listen to me, your failure to embrace the sprint races will see you turn in to the Luca Badoer of F1 tipsters.
    The final sprint race of last season, was only good because they put Mr Hamilton to the back and he had to fight through. Apart from that, they’re a crap idea that sadly increase the TV and live audiences so they’re not going anywhere.

    If I were F1 God, I’d have a standalone Sprint championship on Saturdays, maybe with a reverse championship grid and a $1m prize for the winning driver over the season. Most importantly, it would have nothing to do with the qualifying and Grand Prix, completely on its own so the drivers can take risks. If they want some American razzmatazz, put the $1m in cash in a Perspex briefcase and bring it to all the podium ceremonies and press conferences - but leave the qualifying format and Grand Prix alone!
    You, Morris, and myself are not the target audience for these races.

    This is not The Hundred of the F1, the worst idea that F1 came up with recently was the double points for the final race.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,896

    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Eagles, you madman.

    The final sprint race of last season was awesome, listen to me, your failure to embrace the sprint races will see you turn in to the Luca Badoer of F1 tipsters.
    The final sprint race of last season, was only good because they put Mr Hamilton to the back and he had to fight through. Apart from that, they’re a crap idea that sadly increase the TV and live audiences so they’re not going anywhere.

    If I were F1 God, I’d have a standalone Sprint championship on Saturdays, maybe with a reverse championship grid and a $1m prize for the winning driver over the season. Most importantly, it would have nothing to do with the qualifying and Grand Prix, completely on its own so the drivers can take risks. If they want some American razzmatazz, put the $1m in cash in a Perspex briefcase and bring it to all the podium ceremonies and press conferences - but leave the qualifying format and Grand Prix alone!
    You, Morris, and myself are not the target audience for these races.

    This is not The Hundred of the F1, the worst idea that F1 came up with recently was the double points for the final race.
    I was at the double points race. There was a palpable sense of relief afterwards, that it didn’t affect the championship!
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    NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231
    @Quincel

    Although I’m sure there are some QAnon members who think they are actually aliens or lizards

    Some Qanon members think they themselves are lizards or aliens, or some QAnon members think Republican politicians are lizards or aliens?
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489
    On topic, I don't know why the Republicans are struggling to find good candidates in winnable seats, but is this possibly partly the shadow of trump? As in are credible republicans, reluctant to run this time, because they don't what to put a lot of time and energy in to a campaign, only for trump to endorse a rival at the last minute and then loss, or worse still go on the record endorsing Trump.

    Trump endorses candidates for all sorts of elections, but what he really cases about is the senit, as that's the body that impeaches presidents and so on. so that's where he is most active.
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    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
    Journalist: Your recent joke has caused a bit of a scandal, how do you view your position?

    Me: I'm more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub, oh shit, I did it again.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,233
    It has been a while since we heard of the death of a Russian general, and then two come along at once...

    "Military intelligence: 2 Russian generals killed near Kherson.

    According to Defense Ministry’s Intelligence Directorate, the military hit a Russian command post near occupied regional capital Kherson, allegedly killing two Russian generals and wounding one."


    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1517874325495455744
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,942
    STORY

    Questions over 11 Tory MPs and donors handed knighthoods by overseas tax haven

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/questions-over-11-tory-mps-26780036
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,932
    edited April 2022
    I had a nice trrixie up at Sandown today, 1st 3 winners. I toyed doing Nicholls to win all 7 races but did not, 5 winners would have been worth a few bob though so cost me.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,298
    What the fuck is going on with the football scores on the BBC. I knew James Alexander Gordon had retired (then died) and I thought Charlotte Green had taken over. Now it's some random geezer from Hartlepool and all the magic has gone.

    Privatise the Beeb. Now.
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,432

    Republican Governors are even more intriguing, some of them are truly bat shit crazy.

    Special circle of hell for the governors who are so pro life they are undertaking a record breaking number of executions.

    Is that why they don't want to be senators?

    As a governor in a red state, it looks like you get to make your batshit dreams happen. As a senator, you have to at least pretend to be civil, and where's the fun in that?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
    Journalist: Your recent joke has caused a bit of a scandal, how do you view your position?

    Me: I'm more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub, oh shit, I did it again.
    But you won't be buggered until you get on to the joke about reluctant Turkish conscripts...
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2022

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
    Journalist: Your recent joke has caused a bit of a scandal, how do you view your position?

    Me: I'm more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub, oh shit, I did it again.
    The Crawley manager who appears to be in a lot of hot water did have a very non-pc cracking answer in a press conference this season, asked about a player, he defended his performance by saying well this season we have had to play him in more positions than you see in your average porno.
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    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
    Journalist: Your recent joke has caused a bit of a scandal, how do you view your position?

    Me: I'm more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub, oh shit, I did it again.
    The Crawley manager who appears to be in a lot of hot water did have a very non-pc cracking answer in a press conference this season, asked about a player, he defended his performance by saying well this season we have had to play him in more positions than you see in your average porno.
    Rookie mistake there, he should have said the Kama Sutra, not a porno.

    Anyone criticises you saying that is racist for dissing the Kama Sutra.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    Leaving about 72 minutes total devoted to other matters for the length of your political career.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231
    kle4 said:

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    Leaving about 72 minutes total devoted to other matters for the length of your political career.
    Just time to introduce a bill bringing back capital punishment for those barbarians who pollute pizzas with pineapple.
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    MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    ydoethur said:

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
    Journalist: Your recent joke has caused a bit of a scandal, how do you view your position?

    Me: I'm more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub, oh shit, I did it again.
    But you won't be buggered until you get on to the joke about reluctant Turkish conscripts...
    Talking about buggered - minor county west have let us down this week! You made Lancashire look brilliant. 😠
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744
    rcs1000 said:

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I know: and if you try and organise an armed insurrection, the bloody snowflakes try and use it against you.
    Weird thing is that the biggest snowflakes are probably most likely to use the insult - just look at Russia and its deep levels of fury when they face mild diplomatic criticism, seeing it as worse than, to pick a random example, indiscriminate killing of thousands.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231

    ydoethur said:

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
    Journalist: Your recent joke has caused a bit of a scandal, how do you view your position?

    Me: I'm more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub, oh shit, I did it again.
    But you won't be buggered until you get on to the joke about reluctant Turkish conscripts...
    Talking about buggered - minor county west have let us down this week! You made Lancashire look brilliant. 😠
    Well, the umpires are again not helping. Giving Marcus Harris out when he wasn't and Josh Bohannon not out when he was.

    I'm hoping that at some point we build up massive karma and beat Surrey, Hampshire and Essex all by an innings.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216
    edited April 2022
    Great header - thanks @Quincel

    On JD Vance. Not just author of Hillbilly Elegy. He served in Iraq (although wiki says in public affairs - so not exactly eyeball to eyeball with the enemy).

    He went into finance and has has worked with Peter Thiel. I suspect this is the link back to Trump, because iirc Thiel is a big Trump follower/fan/financier.



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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744

    Republican Governors are even more intriguing, some of them are truly bat shit crazy.

    Special circle of hell for the governors who are so pro life they are undertaking a record breaking number of executions.

    Is that why they don't want to be senators?

    As a governor in a red state, it looks like you get to make your batshit dreams happen. As a senator, you have to at least pretend to be civil, and where's the fun in that?
    The best political job is to get appointed to the Supreme Court - massively powerful, appointed for life, free to pursue your political agendas with the figleaf cloak of jurisprudence.

    You do have to put in legwork to be a plausible candidate though, and so few can actually get appointed, so it is high risk though.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited April 2022

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
    Journalist: Your recent joke has caused a bit of a scandal, how do you view your position?

    Me: I'm more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub, oh shit, I did it again.
    The Crawley manager who appears to be in a lot of hot water did have a very non-pc cracking answer in a press conference this season, asked about a player, he defended his performance by saying well this season we have had to play him in more positions than you see in your average porno.
    Rookie mistake there, he should have said the Kama Sutra, not a porno.

    Anyone criticises you saying that is racist for dissing the Kama Sutra.
    Opens ones self up to accusations of Cultural Appropriation though innit....
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,995
    The last 2 midterms in the President's first term, 2018 and 2010, the President's party lost control of the House of Representatives but kept the Senate.

    So it is possible the Democrats lose the House but hold the Senate in November. Especially as the thread header suggests the GOP put up some dubious candidates
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    It has been a while since we heard of the death of a Russian general, and then two come along at once...

    "Military intelligence: 2 Russian generals killed near Kherson.

    According to Defense Ministry’s Intelligence Directorate, the military hit a Russian command post near occupied regional capital Kherson, allegedly killing two Russian generals and wounding one."


    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1517874325495455744

    Wonderful news, :) couldn't happen to more appropriate people.

    Are we thinking Lt Generals or Major Generals?

    Is anybody else getting the feeling that the Russians where expecting that 'Phase 2' was going to have advanced more than it has by now? and that they are having to send there generals to the front line again to 'encourage the men'
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,578
    On Topic - great post by Pip as per ususal.

    Re: caliber of GOP senatorial hopefuls this cycle, the Sage of Mar-a-Lardo is a factor all right, but another is the growing amount & impact of superPACs and other forms of unlimited campaign contributions from - in many cases - who knows?

    AND note that celebrity candidacies are hardly unknown in US politics. For example, John C Fremont (Pathfinder), Teddy Roosevelt (Rough Rider), Ronald Reagan ("Win One for the Gipper"), Shirley Temple Black ("On the Good Ship Lollipop") and Arnold Schwarzenegger (the Terminator) to name a few.

    Celebrity Democrats have included Henry Ford ("Fix or Repair Daily"), W Lee O'Daniel ("Pass the Biscuits Pappy), John Glenn ("We See Strange Things Out There") and (uck) Al Franken ("It's My Right as an Entertainer")

    Lots of other examples of elected or would-be American politicos who used their fame and (in some cases) fortune to jump start their candidacies.

    Some went on to accumulate significant political & governmental assistance. Some not. But name recognition combined with popular appeal gave them huge boost.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
    Journalist: Your recent joke has caused a bit of a scandal, how do you view your position?

    Me: I'm more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub, oh shit, I did it again.
    The Crawley manager who appears to be in a lot of hot water did have a very non-pc cracking answer in a press conference this season, asked about a player, he defended his performance by saying well this season we have had to play him in more positions than you see in your average porno.
    Rookie mistake there, he should have said the Kama Sutra, not a porno.

    Anyone criticises you saying that is racist for dissing the Kama Sutra.
    Opens ones self up to accusations of Cultural Appropriation though innit....
    Surely the Yanks aren't going to try and claim Reverse Cowgirl as exclusively their own?
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    BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,489

    On Topic - great post by Pip as per ususal.

    Re: caliber of GOP senatorial hopefuls this cycle, the Sage of Mar-a-Lardo is a factor all right, but another is the growing amount & impact of superPACs and other forms of unlimited campaign contributions from - in many cases - who knows?

    AND note that celebrity candidacies are hardly unknown in US politics. For example, John C Fremont (Pathfinder), Teddy Roosevelt (Rough Rider), Ronald Reagan ("Win One for the Gipper"), Shirley Temple Black ("On the Good Ship Lollipop") and Arnold Schwarzenegger (the Terminator) to name a few.

    Celebrity Democrats have included Henry Ford ("Fix or Repair Daily"), W Lee O'Daniel ("Pass the Biscuits Pappy), John Glenn ("We See Strange Things Out There") and (uck) Al Franken ("It's My Right as an Entertainer")

    Lots of other examples of elected or would-be American politicos who used their fame and (in some cases) fortune to jump start their candidacies.

    Some went on to accumulate significant political & governmental assistance. Some not. But name recognition combined with popular appeal gave them huge boost.

    In the category of fames Americans who tried to make it in politics, should be a special place for General Westmorland, of Vietnam War fame. Where if memory serves me correctly contested the George Governor republican primary, one story I have heard was that he mishandled the whole campaign but was non the less convinced he would win, right up till the results where announced, when he lost by some very wide margin.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,288

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
    Journalist: Your recent joke has caused a bit of a scandal, how do you view your position?

    Me: I'm more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub, oh shit, I did it again.
    You do realise they're just acting, and aren't REAL stepmoms, right? :lol:
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    It's nice here today in SW London, a nice breeze but warm enough to wear shorts.

    Got a nice run in down by the river
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231
    BigRich said:

    It has been a while since we heard of the death of a Russian general, and then two come along at once...

    "Military intelligence: 2 Russian generals killed near Kherson.

    According to Defense Ministry’s Intelligence Directorate, the military hit a Russian command post near occupied regional capital Kherson, allegedly killing two Russian generals and wounding one."


    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1517874325495455744

    Wonderful news, :) couldn't happen to more appropriate people.

    Are we thinking Lt Generals or Major Generals?

    Is anybody else getting the feeling that the Russians where expecting that 'Phase 2' was going to have advanced more than it has by now? and that they are having to send there generals to the front line again to 'encourage the men'
    If the (very interesting) report from the RUSI linked to earlier is right, the key problem is that they are having to jam their own communications as well as the Ukrainians' due to a reluctance to put the necessary tech where it could be captured. Which means their generals have to go forward and use alternative means e.g. mobile phones to communicate which is most helpful for the Ukrainians...
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,932

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
    Journalist: Your recent joke has caused a bit of a scandal, how do you view your position?

    Me: I'm more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub, oh shit, I did it again.
    You do realise they're just acting, and aren't REAL stepmoms, right? :lol:
    You have killed the dreams of millions of spotty teenage stepsons
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    felixfelix Posts: 15,124
    Scott_xP said:

    STORY

    Questions over 11 Tory MPs and donors handed knighthoods by overseas tax haven

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/questions-over-11-tory-mps-26780036

    Right in the middle of the article: "There’s no suggestion of any wrongdoing on the part of the donors or MPs." Scott bollox! Plus ca change.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,288
    TOPPING said:

    What the fuck is going on with the football scores on the BBC. I knew James Alexander Gordon had retired (then died) and I thought Charlotte Green had taken over. Now it's some random geezer from Hartlepool and all the magic has gone.

    Privatise the Beeb. Now.

    I thought it was Len Martin (from 1958 until 1995), Tim Gudgin (from 1995 until 2011) and Mike West since 2011.
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    A very interesting article.

    I suspect the key issue here is that a strong political CV is less important in the Republican Party now than a Twitter following and loyalty to the Orange'Un.

    I suspect it will weaken them in November, albeit that the mid-term environment weighs the other way. It's not that people love career politicians, but having an electoral history at reasonably high levels means the potential for major gaffes (while not absent) is lower, and there has been time for skeletons to tumble out of closets. Herschel Walker's domestic violence record is an obvious one (and I think it's remarkable he's still very likely to get the nod). But there will be others to come.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,578
    Scott_xP said:

    STORY

    Questions over 11 Tory MPs and donors handed knighthoods by overseas tax haven

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/questions-over-11-tory-mps-26780036

    San Marino! The "Freak of Freedom"!

    Once got tour of their Capitol building (forget what they call it) conducted by large English-speaking security guard who turned out to have dual citizenship and was a voter in New York City. (Didn't ask him who he voted for but strongly suspect that Rudy G and W may have gotten his support.)

    In the legislative chamber there is a rather striking depiction of St Agatha demonstrating how she was martyred.

    Will always be a fan of the Most Serene Republic for one reason: they gave refuge to Garibaldi when half the armies of Europe where hot on this trail. San Marino & the Sanmarinese took a HUGE risk - for freedom.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,377
    edited April 2022
    kle4 said:

    Republican Governors are even more intriguing, some of them are truly bat shit crazy.

    Special circle of hell for the governors who are so pro life they are undertaking a record breaking number of executions.

    Is that why they don't want to be senators?

    As a governor in a red state, it looks like you get to make your batshit dreams happen. As a senator, you have to at least pretend to be civil, and where's the fun in that?
    The best political job is to get appointed to the Supreme Court - massively powerful, appointed for life, free to pursue your political agendas with the figleaf cloak of jurisprudence.

    You do have to put in legwork to be a plausible candidate though, and so few can actually get appointed, so it is high risk though.
    A non-trivial issue may be getting financial backing for a run.

    Without the big donors, being a politician in the US is non stop fund raising, occasionally interrupted by politics.

    Many big companies who used to donate to both parties fairly equally are pulling back from the GOP. Consider how much the House of Mouse spends - after Florida, what will they do?

    So if you are not insane enough to get on the Trump++ bandwagon (and get the money from the loonies), running for the GOP looks especially shit…
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    ydoethur said:

    @Quincel

    Although I’m sure there are some QAnon members who think they are actually aliens or lizards

    Some Qanon members think they themselves are lizards or aliens, or some QAnon members think Republican politicians are lizards or aliens?

    I'd love to say this was intentionally ambiguous, but sadly I'm not that witty.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,983

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
    Journalist: Your recent joke has caused a bit of a scandal, how do you view your position?

    Me: I'm more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub, oh shit, I did it again.
    You do realise they're just acting, and aren't REAL stepmoms, right? :lol:
    They might be, of course. They have lives outside their’art’!
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    HYUFD said:

    The last 2 midterms in the President's first term, 2018 and 2010, the President's party lost control of the House of Representatives but kept the Senate.

    So it is possible the Democrats lose the House but hold the Senate in November. Especially as the thread header suggests the GOP put up some dubious candidates

    2010 is a bit different as Democrats lost half a dozen Senators and just had a big enough majority to hold on despite that. The Democrats now have no margin for any losses.

    I agree 2018 is a decent comparison. That provided a decent map for Republicans as the Senators had previously been elected in Obama's re-election cycle, so Democrats had to defend a lot (and indeed there was a net GOP gain of two). Similarly, this year Republicans are defending 21 versus only 14 Democrats who were elected the same year Trump won the Presidency - so it's not a terrible map for the Democrats.

    I think Republicans are a bit more likely to make net gains than not. But in the betting there's some value at the moment betting against it - they are quite a bit less nailed on than for the House.
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    2019 was wild, does anyone remember Jo Swinson insisting she would be the next PM
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,578
    BigRich said:

    On Topic - great post by Pip as per ususal.

    Re: caliber of GOP senatorial hopefuls this cycle, the Sage of Mar-a-Lardo is a factor all right, but another is the growing amount & impact of superPACs and other forms of unlimited campaign contributions from - in many cases - who knows?

    AND note that celebrity candidacies are hardly unknown in US politics. For example, John C Fremont (Pathfinder), Teddy Roosevelt (Rough Rider), Ronald Reagan ("Win One for the Gipper"), Shirley Temple Black ("On the Good Ship Lollipop") and Arnold Schwarzenegger (the Terminator) to name a few.

    Celebrity Democrats have included Henry Ford ("Fix or Repair Daily"), W Lee O'Daniel ("Pass the Biscuits Pappy), John Glenn ("We See Strange Things Out There") and (uck) Al Franken ("It's My Right as an Entertainer")

    Lots of other examples of elected or would-be American politicos who used their fame and (in some cases) fortune to jump start their candidacies.

    Some went on to accumulate significant political & governmental assistance. Some not. But name recognition combined with popular appeal gave them huge boost.

    In the category of fames Americans who tried to make it in politics, should be a special place for General Westmorland, of Vietnam War fame. Where if memory serves me correctly contested the George Governor republican primary, one story I have heard was that he mishandled the whole campaign but was non the less convinced he would win, right up till the results where announced, when he lost by some very wide margin.
    Am obliged to you for this, as I was totally unaware of Gen. Westmoreland's candidacy for Governor of South Carolina in 1974:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_South_Carolina_gubernatorial_election

    Personally skeptical that Gen. Westmoreland could have gotten himself elected dogcatcher ANYWHERE in the USA in 1974. As by that point just about EVERY American was sick unto death of hearing about the Vietnam War PLUS the stench of failure about the whole business in general AND Westmoreland in particular.

    Fact that he only got 42% in GOP primary versus John Edwards "a Charleston orthodontist who remained unknown virtually to the moment he won" the general election (Almanac of American Politics 1976)

    My favorite (in very restricted sense) who laid an egg on the campaign trail was Alexander "I'm in charge here" Haig.
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 31,983

    ydoethur said:

    @Quincel

    Although I’m sure there are some QAnon members who think they are actually aliens or lizards

    Some Qanon members think they themselves are lizards or aliens, or some QAnon members think Republican politicians are lizards or aliens?

    I’ve asked the Lizard Men and the Zita Reticulans - they both deny having anything to do with anything as far gone as QAnon.
    That access, Mr M, might give you opportunity to the inner circles of the Tory Party.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836
    ydoethur said:

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
    Journalist: Your recent joke has caused a bit of a scandal, how do you view your position?

    Me: I'm more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub, oh shit, I did it again.
    But you won't be buggered until you get on to the joke about reluctant Turkish conscripts...
    I remember one fuction I was at, where the speaker told a stunningly bad-taste joke about paedophilia. You could have heard a pin drop.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,578

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
    Journalist: Your recent joke has caused a bit of a scandal, how do you view your position?

    Me: I'm more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub, oh shit, I did it again.
    You do realise they're just acting, and aren't REAL stepmoms, right? :lol:
    You seem surprisingly knowledgeable on this topic . . .
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    2019 was wild, does anyone remember Jo Swinson insisting she would be the next PM

    I'm glad they did that, it showed a pugnacious ambition that Lib Dems often lack. Obviously they didn't really believe it, but it was an attempt to jolt British politics out of its two party rut. A heroic failure.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612
    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
    Journalist: Your recent joke has caused a bit of a scandal, how do you view your position?

    Me: I'm more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub, oh shit, I did it again.
    But you won't be buggered until you get on to the joke about reluctant Turkish conscripts...
    I remember one fuction I was at, where the speaker told a stunningly bad-taste joke about paedophilia. You could have heard a pin drop.
    Church fete?
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,578

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
    Journalist: Your recent joke has caused a bit of a scandal, how do you view your position?

    Me: I'm more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub, oh shit, I did it again.
    But you won't be buggered until you get on to the joke about reluctant Turkish conscripts...
    I remember one fuction I was at, where the speaker told a stunningly bad-taste joke about paedophilia. You could have heard a pin drop.
    Church fete?
    Boy Scout jamboree?
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    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
    Journalist: Your recent joke has caused a bit of a scandal, how do you view your position?

    Me: I'm more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub, oh shit, I did it again.
    But you won't be buggered until you get on to the joke about reluctant Turkish conscripts...
    I remember one fuction I was at, where the speaker told a stunningly bad-taste joke about paedophilia. You could have heard a pin drop.
    Look, it sounded funnier in my head.

    #KnowYourAudience
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 41,932
    Farooq said:

    2019 was wild, does anyone remember Jo Swinson insisting she would be the next PM

    I'm glad they did that, it showed a pugnacious ambition that Lib Dems often lack. Obviously they didn't really believe it, but it was an attempt to jolt British politics out of its two party rut. A heroic failure.
    She was a deluded numpty
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,138
    malcolmg said:

    Farooq said:

    2019 was wild, does anyone remember Jo Swinson insisting she would be the next PM

    I'm glad they did that, it showed a pugnacious ambition that Lib Dems often lack. Obviously they didn't really believe it, but it was an attempt to jolt British politics out of its two party rut. A heroic failure.
    She was a deluded numpty
    An Alba supporter chips in.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,138

    BigRich said:

    On Topic - great post by Pip as per ususal.

    Re: caliber of GOP senatorial hopefuls this cycle, the Sage of Mar-a-Lardo is a factor all right, but another is the growing amount & impact of superPACs and other forms of unlimited campaign contributions from - in many cases - who knows?

    AND note that celebrity candidacies are hardly unknown in US politics. For example, John C Fremont (Pathfinder), Teddy Roosevelt (Rough Rider), Ronald Reagan ("Win One for the Gipper"), Shirley Temple Black ("On the Good Ship Lollipop") and Arnold Schwarzenegger (the Terminator) to name a few.

    Celebrity Democrats have included Henry Ford ("Fix or Repair Daily"), W Lee O'Daniel ("Pass the Biscuits Pappy), John Glenn ("We See Strange Things Out There") and (uck) Al Franken ("It's My Right as an Entertainer")

    Lots of other examples of elected or would-be American politicos who used their fame and (in some cases) fortune to jump start their candidacies.

    Some went on to accumulate significant political & governmental assistance. Some not. But name recognition combined with popular appeal gave them huge boost.

    In the category of fames Americans who tried to make it in politics, should be a special place for General Westmorland, of Vietnam War fame. Where if memory serves me correctly contested the George Governor republican primary, one story I have heard was that he mishandled the whole campaign but was non the less convinced he would win, right up till the results where announced, when he lost by some very wide margin.
    Am obliged to you for this, as I was totally unaware of Gen. Westmoreland's candidacy for Governor of South Carolina in 1974:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_South_Carolina_gubernatorial_election

    Personally skeptical that Gen. Westmoreland could have gotten himself elected dogcatcher ANYWHERE in the USA in 1974. As by that point just about EVERY American was sick unto death of hearing about the Vietnam War PLUS the stench of failure about the whole business in general AND Westmoreland in particular.

    Fact that he only got 42% in GOP primary versus John Edwards "a Charleston orthodontist who remained unknown virtually to the moment he won" the general election (Almanac of American Politics 1976)

    My favorite (in very restricted sense) who laid an egg on the campaign trail was Alexander "I'm in charge here" Haig.
    The long lost county of Westmoreland is making a comeback this election AIUI.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,854

    2019 was wild, does anyone remember Jo Swinson insisting she would be the next PM

    The key political event was the release of polling in mid June which showed Boris Johnson, alone among the prospective successors to Theresa May, able to unite the LEAVE vote behind the Conservatives and win a majority.

    Nothing else in that year mattered - the triumph of Boris Johnson was certain the moment May announced her intention to resign. With hindsight, everything else was irrelevant.

    All the attempts to thwart, forestall and otherwise subvert the 2016 referendum result not only were doomed to failure but each attempt only strengthened Johnson's hand and increased his majority.

    It was political stupidity of the first order and those who tried paid the price (and now we are all paying the price).
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115
    DougSeal said:

    2019 was wild, does anyone remember Jo Swinson insisting she would be the next PM

    As a member at the time I thought it about the only positive thing about her campaign. What else was she going to say? “I’m running to prop up Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn”. No point I’m running nationally if you don’t at least make a pretence of ambition.
    She sounded like an idiot. Not me - the feedback on the doorsteps. I was really surprised at the vehemence.
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    DougSeal said:

    2019 was wild, does anyone remember Jo Swinson insisting she would be the next PM

    As a member at the time I thought it about the only positive thing about her campaign. What else was she going to say? “I’m running to prop up Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn”. No point I’m running nationally if you don’t at least make a pretence of ambition.
    She sounded like an idiot. Not me - the feedback on the doorsteps. I was really surprised at the vehemence.
    Yes, but she increased the Lib Dem vote 60%.
    The lesson of the last few years is very, very clear: attention trumps everything. "Bollocks to Brexit" and "next PM" were pugnacious messages that got attention. And that means exciting some people and revolting others. I'm far from surprised people were wound up by her. But that's the ecosystem we live in.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    ydoethur said:

    BigRich said:

    It has been a while since we heard of the death of a Russian general, and then two come along at once...

    "Military intelligence: 2 Russian generals killed near Kherson.

    According to Defense Ministry’s Intelligence Directorate, the military hit a Russian command post near occupied regional capital Kherson, allegedly killing two Russian generals and wounding one."


    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1517874325495455744

    Wonderful news, :) couldn't happen to more appropriate people.

    Are we thinking Lt Generals or Major Generals?

    Is anybody else getting the feeling that the Russians where expecting that 'Phase 2' was going to have advanced more than it has by now? and that they are having to send there generals to the front line again to 'encourage the men'
    If the (very interesting) report from the RUSI linked to earlier is right, the key problem is that they are having to jam their own communications as well as the Ukrainians' due to a reluctance to put the necessary tech where it could be captured. Which means their generals have to go forward and use alternative means e.g. mobile phones to communicate which is most helpful for the Ukrainians...
    Whatsapp or Signal will encrypt your voice convos for you. Unless they have selectively disabled themselves for Russian phones in Ukraine, or you are outside 3g coverage.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115
    edited April 2022
    Farooq said:

    DougSeal said:

    2019 was wild, does anyone remember Jo Swinson insisting she would be the next PM

    As a member at the time I thought it about the only positive thing about her campaign. What else was she going to say? “I’m running to prop up Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn”. No point I’m running nationally if you don’t at least make a pretence of ambition.
    She sounded like an idiot. Not me - the feedback on the doorsteps. I was really surprised at the vehemence.
    Yes, but she increased the Lib Dem vote 60%.
    The lesson of the last few years is very, very clear: attention trumps everything. "Bollocks to Brexit" and "next PM" were pugnacious messages that got attention. And that means exciting some people and revolting others. I'm far from surprised people were wound up by her. But that's the ecosystem we live in.
    She lost her seat. If there is a better indicator for a shit campaign...do tell.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,138

    DougSeal said:

    2019 was wild, does anyone remember Jo Swinson insisting she would be the next PM

    As a member at the time I thought it about the only positive thing about her campaign. What else was she going to say? “I’m running to prop up Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn”. No point I’m running nationally if you don’t at least make a pretence of ambition.
    She sounded like an idiot. Not me - the feedback on the doorsteps. I was really surprised at the vehemence.
    I’ll agree she sounded like an idiot, a reason I resigned, but not for saying that. Nick Clegg took grief during the Cleggasm of 2010 for basically saying he was in it to form a coalition, one reason it came to an end.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,418
    TOPPING said:

    What the fuck is going on with the football scores on the BBC. I knew James Alexander Gordon had retired (then died) and I thought Charlotte Green had taken over. Now it's some random geezer from Hartlepool and all the magic has gone.

    Privatise the Beeb. Now.

    Not a great advertisement for the merits or retirement.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    2019 was wild, does anyone remember Jo Swinson insisting she would be the next PM

    As a member at the time I thought it about the only positive thing about her campaign. What else was she going to say? “I’m running to prop up Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn”. No point I’m running nationally if you don’t at least make a pretence of ambition.
    She sounded like an idiot. Not me - the feedback on the doorsteps. I was really surprised at the vehemence.
    I’ll agree she sounded like an idiot, a reason I resigned, but not for saying that. Nick Clegg took grief during the Cleggasm of 2010 for basically saying he was in it to form a coalition, one reason it came to an end.
    He formed a coalition. Looks like a better outcome than she achieved. But hey, I'm not a LibDem. Fuck knows what passes for a win with them.....
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    Well now.

    The Labour party is also thought to be holding talks with a number of “wavering Tories” about defecting. Conservative whips are particularly concerned about Dehenna Davison, the MP for the red wall seat Bishop Auckland. Another seven Tory MPs are also believed to have held talks with Labour in recent months.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-keir-starmer-ever-going-to-win-back-the-love-labours-lost-3zqzcgn7z
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    Farooq said:

    DougSeal said:

    2019 was wild, does anyone remember Jo Swinson insisting she would be the next PM

    As a member at the time I thought it about the only positive thing about her campaign. What else was she going to say? “I’m running to prop up Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn”. No point I’m running nationally if you don’t at least make a pretence of ambition.
    She sounded like an idiot. Not me - the feedback on the doorsteps. I was really surprised at the vehemence.
    Yes, but she increased the Lib Dem vote 60%.
    The lesson of the last few years is very, very clear: attention trumps everything. "Bollocks to Brexit" and "next PM" were pugnacious messages that got attention. And that means exciting some people and revolting others. I'm far from surprised people were wound up by her. But that's the ecosystem we live in.
    She lost her seat. If there isn't a better indicator for a shit campaign....
    That definitely needs to be taken in as evidence, but you can't dismiss the evidence I gave. Up from 4 seats to 11, and a big spike in the number of voters in the plus column, and losing her own seat in the minus column.
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    Wow.

    Three cabinet ministers and two shadow cabinet ministers are facing allegations of sexual misconduct after being reported to the parliamentary watchdog set up in the wake of the #MeToo scandal.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/three-cabinet-ministers-face-sexual-misconduct-claims-c8t58nhxx
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231

    Well now.

    The Labour party is also thought to be holding talks with a number of “wavering Tories” about defecting. Conservative whips are particularly concerned about Dehenna Davison, the MP for the red wall seat Bishop Auckland. Another seven Tory MPs are also believed to have held talks with Labour in recent months.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-keir-starmer-ever-going-to-win-back-the-love-labours-lost-3zqzcgn7z

    Why would Keir Starmer want an idiot like Dehenna Davison in his ranks?
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    Well now.

    The Labour party is also thought to be holding talks with a number of “wavering Tories” about defecting. Conservative whips are particularly concerned about Dehenna Davison, the MP for the red wall seat Bishop Auckland. Another seven Tory MPs are also believed to have held talks with Labour in recent months.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-keir-starmer-ever-going-to-win-back-the-love-labours-lost-3zqzcgn7z

    Remember when the Conservatives were going to unveil three Labour defectors at their conference?
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    DougSeal said:

    2019 was wild, does anyone remember Jo Swinson insisting she would be the next PM

    As a member at the time I thought it about the only positive thing about her campaign. What else was she going to say? “I’m running to prop up Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn”. No point I’m running nationally if you don’t at least make a pretence of ambition.
    That is right, but she should have been a bit more sophisticated in the framing of it

    Headline message: I could be PM

    Immediate qualification: as leader of a national party I owe it to my candidates and members and the electorate to set that as my goal. How much of your own money you would like to bet for or against that outcome at what odds, mr interviewer, is entirely a matter for you.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,185
    edited April 2022

    Well now.

    The Labour party is also thought to be holding talks with a number of “wavering Tories” about defecting. Conservative whips are particularly concerned about Dehenna Davison, the MP for the red wall seat Bishop Auckland. Another seven Tory MPs are also believed to have held talks with Labour in recent months.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-keir-starmer-ever-going-to-win-back-the-love-labours-lost-3zqzcgn7z

    I’m old enough to remember rumours of three labour mps defecting to the Tories...
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115

    Well now.

    The Labour party is also thought to be holding talks with a number of “wavering Tories” about defecting. Conservative whips are particularly concerned about Dehenna Davison, the MP for the red wall seat Bishop Auckland. Another seven Tory MPs are also believed to have held talks with Labour in recent months.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-keir-starmer-ever-going-to-win-back-the-love-labours-lost-3zqzcgn7z

    That does look rather like a rehash of a story from weeks ago for Shakespeare Day.....
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231
    DougSeal said:

    BigRich said:

    On Topic - great post by Pip as per ususal.

    Re: caliber of GOP senatorial hopefuls this cycle, the Sage of Mar-a-Lardo is a factor all right, but another is the growing amount & impact of superPACs and other forms of unlimited campaign contributions from - in many cases - who knows?

    AND note that celebrity candidacies are hardly unknown in US politics. For example, John C Fremont (Pathfinder), Teddy Roosevelt (Rough Rider), Ronald Reagan ("Win One for the Gipper"), Shirley Temple Black ("On the Good Ship Lollipop") and Arnold Schwarzenegger (the Terminator) to name a few.

    Celebrity Democrats have included Henry Ford ("Fix or Repair Daily"), W Lee O'Daniel ("Pass the Biscuits Pappy), John Glenn ("We See Strange Things Out There") and (uck) Al Franken ("It's My Right as an Entertainer")

    Lots of other examples of elected or would-be American politicos who used their fame and (in some cases) fortune to jump start their candidacies.

    Some went on to accumulate significant political & governmental assistance. Some not. But name recognition combined with popular appeal gave them huge boost.

    In the category of fames Americans who tried to make it in politics, should be a special place for General Westmorland, of Vietnam War fame. Where if memory serves me correctly contested the George Governor republican primary, one story I have heard was that he mishandled the whole campaign but was non the less convinced he would win, right up till the results where announced, when he lost by some very wide margin.
    Am obliged to you for this, as I was totally unaware of Gen. Westmoreland's candidacy for Governor of South Carolina in 1974:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_South_Carolina_gubernatorial_election

    Personally skeptical that Gen. Westmoreland could have gotten himself elected dogcatcher ANYWHERE in the USA in 1974. As by that point just about EVERY American was sick unto death of hearing about the Vietnam War PLUS the stench of failure about the whole business in general AND Westmoreland in particular.

    Fact that he only got 42% in GOP primary versus John Edwards "a Charleston orthodontist who remained unknown virtually to the moment he won" the general election (Almanac of American Politics 1976)

    My favorite (in very restricted sense) who laid an egg on the campaign trail was Alexander "I'm in charge here" Haig.
    The long lost county of Westmoreland is making a comeback this election AIUI.
    But it can't hold a Kendal to the county of Huntingdonshire.
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    OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,106

    Well now.

    The Labour party is also thought to be holding talks with a number of “wavering Tories” about defecting. Conservative whips are particularly concerned about Dehenna Davison, the MP for the red wall seat Bishop Auckland. Another seven Tory MPs are also believed to have held talks with Labour in recent months.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-keir-starmer-ever-going-to-win-back-the-love-labours-lost-3zqzcgn7z

    I am all in favour of Labour being a broad church, but surely there has to be some kind of quality control?
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,138

    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    2019 was wild, does anyone remember Jo Swinson insisting she would be the next PM

    As a member at the time I thought it about the only positive thing about her campaign. What else was she going to say? “I’m running to prop up Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn”. No point I’m running nationally if you don’t at least make a pretence of ambition.
    She sounded like an idiot. Not me - the feedback on the doorsteps. I was really surprised at the vehemence.
    I’ll agree she sounded like an idiot, a reason I resigned, but not for saying that. Nick Clegg took grief during the Cleggasm of 2010 for basically saying he was in it to form a coalition, one reason it came to an end.
    He formed a coalition. Looks like a better outcome than she achieved. But hey, I'm not a LibDem. Fuck knows what passes for a win with them.....
    A worse outcome in terms of seats than he was heading for. This has moved into territory not covered by the original post, She ran a shit campaign but saying she was running to be Prime Minister (not she “would be”) was not an intrinsically stupid thing to say because, ultimately, she was.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    DougSeal said:

    2019 was wild, does anyone remember Jo Swinson insisting she would be the next PM

    As a member at the time I thought it about the only positive thing about her campaign. What else was she going to say? “I’m running to prop up Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn”. No point I’m running nationally if you don’t at least make a pretence of ambition.
    She sounded like an idiot. Not me - the feedback on the doorsteps. I was really surprised at the vehemence.
    Yes, but she increased the Lib Dem vote 60%.
    The lesson of the last few years is very, very clear: attention trumps everything. "Bollocks to Brexit" and "next PM" were pugnacious messages that got attention. And that means exciting some people and revolting others. I'm far from surprised people were wound up by her. But that's the ecosystem we live in.
    She lost her seat. If there isn't a better indicator for a shit campaign....
    That definitely needs to be taken in as evidence, but you can't dismiss the evidence I gave. Up from 4 seats to 11, and a big spike in the number of voters in the plus column, and losing her own seat in the minus column.
    The LibDems could have had 50 seats, but if Boris gets an 80 seat majority, it is still in the "very much a work in progress" column. As it is, 11 seats is in the "we are fighting it out with the Ulstermen, to see who can be bought most cheaply in a hung Parliament..."
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,138

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    DougSeal said:

    2019 was wild, does anyone remember Jo Swinson insisting she would be the next PM

    As a member at the time I thought it about the only positive thing about her campaign. What else was she going to say? “I’m running to prop up Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn”. No point I’m running nationally if you don’t at least make a pretence of ambition.
    She sounded like an idiot. Not me - the feedback on the doorsteps. I was really surprised at the vehemence.
    Yes, but she increased the Lib Dem vote 60%.
    The lesson of the last few years is very, very clear: attention trumps everything. "Bollocks to Brexit" and "next PM" were pugnacious messages that got attention. And that means exciting some people and revolting others. I'm far from surprised people were wound up by her. But that's the ecosystem we live in.
    She lost her seat. If there isn't a better indicator for a shit campaign....
    That definitely needs to be taken in as evidence, but you can't dismiss the evidence I gave. Up from 4 seats to 11, and a big spike in the number of voters in the plus column, and losing her own seat in the minus column.
    The LibDems could have had 50 seats, but if Boris gets an 80 seat majority, it is still in the "very much a work in progress" column. As it is, 11 seats is in the "we are fighting it out with the Ulstermen, to see who can be bought most cheaply in a hung Parliament..."
    Not in 2019 they couldn’t.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,167

    Well now.

    The Labour party is also thought to be holding talks with a number of “wavering Tories” about defecting. Conservative whips are particularly concerned about Dehenna Davison, the MP for the red wall seat Bishop Auckland. Another seven Tory MPs are also believed to have held talks with Labour in recent months.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-keir-starmer-ever-going-to-win-back-the-love-labours-lost-3zqzcgn7z

    I’m old enough to remember rumours of three labour mps defecting to the Tories...

    Ah, the heady days of 2020.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,334

    Well now.

    The Labour party is also thought to be holding talks with a number of “wavering Tories” about defecting. Conservative whips are particularly concerned about Dehenna Davison, the MP for the red wall seat Bishop Auckland. Another seven Tory MPs are also believed to have held talks with Labour in recent months.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-keir-starmer-ever-going-to-win-back-the-love-labours-lost-3zqzcgn7z

    I’m old enough to remember rumours of three labour mos defecting to the Tories...
    Yes, I do think it's curious how rare defections have been in recent years. When Corbyn was leading Labour, there was a tiny trickle to the Tories, but most MPs just gritted their teeth and carried on. Now the Tories are doing the same, with a single exception (and some ex-MPs). It'll be surprising if the dearth continues...
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Sean_F said:

    ydoethur said:

    Why would anybody want to be a politician these days? You can't even get up to a bit of, er, honest graft without a Twitterarmy crawling all over everything you've ever said....

    I knew if I ever became a politician I'd spend 95% of my time apologising for my sense of humour.
    and the other 5% cracking jokes.
    Journalist: Your recent joke has caused a bit of a scandal, how do you view your position?

    Me: I'm more fucked than a stepmom on pornhub, oh shit, I did it again.
    But you won't be buggered until you get on to the joke about reluctant Turkish conscripts...
    I remember one fuction I was at, where the speaker told a stunningly bad-taste joke about paedophilia. You could have heard a pin drop.
    Church fete?
    Boy Scout jamboree?
    Conclave.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115

    ydoethur said:

    @Quincel

    Although I’m sure there are some QAnon members who think they are actually aliens or lizards

    Some Qanon members think they themselves are lizards or aliens, or some QAnon members think Republican politicians are lizards or aliens?

    I’ve asked the Lizard Men and the Zita Reticulans - they both deny having anything to do with anything as far gone as QAnon.
    That access, Mr M, might give you opportunity to the inner circles of the Tory Party.
    Not since Cameron and Osborne left....
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    FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    IshmaelZ said:

    DougSeal said:

    2019 was wild, does anyone remember Jo Swinson insisting she would be the next PM

    As a member at the time I thought it about the only positive thing about her campaign. What else was she going to say? “I’m running to prop up Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn”. No point I’m running nationally if you don’t at least make a pretence of ambition.
    That is right, but she should have been a bit more sophisticated in the framing of it

    Headline message: I could be PM

    Immediate qualification: as leader of a national party I owe it to my candidates and members and the electorate to set that as my goal. How much of your own money you would like to bet for or against that outcome at what odds, mr interviewer, is entirely a matter for you.
    That's the subtext, but it's too explainy for a politician to actually literally say all that.
    Campaign like you mean it. Too many wet lettuce leaves in politics who spend too long worrying what they look like when they could instead be getting attention for their party and their message. Tim Fucking Farron.. Fuck me, what a sad apology of a man he is. Like a vicar at a disco.
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    turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 15,185
    edited April 2022
    Taz said:

    Well now.

    The Labour party is also thought to be holding talks with a number of “wavering Tories” about defecting. Conservative whips are particularly concerned about Dehenna Davison, the MP for the red wall seat Bishop Auckland. Another seven Tory MPs are also believed to have held talks with Labour in recent months.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-keir-starmer-ever-going-to-win-back-the-love-labours-lost-3zqzcgn7z

    I’m old enough to remember rumours of three labour mps defecting to the Tories...

    Ah, the heady days of 2020.
    Was it that long ago? I’d have sworn it was last year.
    Someone wise suggested that the two pandemic years have merged into one, so 2019 feels more decent that it is.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,612

    Well now.

    The Labour party is also thought to be holding talks with a number of “wavering Tories” about defecting. Conservative whips are particularly concerned about Dehenna Davison, the MP for the red wall seat Bishop Auckland. Another seven Tory MPs are also believed to have held talks with Labour in recent months.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-keir-starmer-ever-going-to-win-back-the-love-labours-lost-3zqzcgn7z

    That Labour by-election win in West Auckland was more significant than we realised.
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    Taz said:

    Well now.

    The Labour party is also thought to be holding talks with a number of “wavering Tories” about defecting. Conservative whips are particularly concerned about Dehenna Davison, the MP for the red wall seat Bishop Auckland. Another seven Tory MPs are also believed to have held talks with Labour in recent months.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-keir-starmer-ever-going-to-win-back-the-love-labours-lost-3zqzcgn7z

    I’m old enough to remember rumours of three labour mps defecting to the Tories...

    Ah, the heady days of 2020.
    Was it that long ago? I’d have sworn it was last year.
    Someone wise suggested that the two pandemic years have merged into one, so 2019 feels more decent that it is.
    October 2021.

    https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/10/03/keir-and-loathing-in-the-labour-party/
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,167
    The hotel we are stopping in has pages from an 1892 edition of the Manchester guardian framed and on the walls. One of the pages has some results from the 1892 general election.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Well now.

    The Labour party is also thought to be holding talks with a number of “wavering Tories” about defecting. Conservative whips are particularly concerned about Dehenna Davison, the MP for the red wall seat Bishop Auckland. Another seven Tory MPs are also believed to have held talks with Labour in recent months.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-keir-starmer-ever-going-to-win-back-the-love-labours-lost-3zqzcgn7z

    I’m old enough to remember rumours of three labour mps defecting to the Tories...
    We all remember Christian Wakeford, of course. Except me, I had to google. No accident that his name anagrams to D'o! F**** Christ! A wanker!

    That's floor crossing for you, he just looks like Bojo's only serious challenger for political arse of the year.
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    TazTaz Posts: 11,167

    Taz said:

    Well now.

    The Labour party is also thought to be holding talks with a number of “wavering Tories” about defecting. Conservative whips are particularly concerned about Dehenna Davison, the MP for the red wall seat Bishop Auckland. Another seven Tory MPs are also believed to have held talks with Labour in recent months.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/is-keir-starmer-ever-going-to-win-back-the-love-labours-lost-3zqzcgn7z

    I’m old enough to remember rumours of three labour mps defecting to the Tories...

    Ah, the heady days of 2020.
    Was it that long ago? I’d have sworn it was last year.
    Someone wise suggested that the two pandemic years have merged into one, so 2019 feels more decent that it is.
    It looks like I was wrong from our resident expert of artistic stepmoms post. It does feel like the time since first lockdown has been a blur
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,610
    edited April 2022
    O/T

    "Why do we know more about Mars than we do the vagina?
    A new book asks why an everyday body part is still largely a mystery to medical science
    Rosamund Urwin"

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-know-more-about-mars-vagina-rachel-e-gross-6vzp0kb6q
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 53,987
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    DougSeal said:

    2019 was wild, does anyone remember Jo Swinson insisting she would be the next PM

    As a member at the time I thought it about the only positive thing about her campaign. What else was she going to say? “I’m running to prop up Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn”. No point I’m running nationally if you don’t at least make a pretence of ambition.
    She sounded like an idiot. Not me - the feedback on the doorsteps. I was really surprised at the vehemence.
    Yes, but she increased the Lib Dem vote 60%.
    The lesson of the last few years is very, very clear: attention trumps everything. "Bollocks to Brexit" and "next PM" were pugnacious messages that got attention. And that means exciting some people and revolting others. I'm far from surprised people were wound up by her. But that's the ecosystem we live in.
    She lost her seat. If there isn't a better indicator for a shit campaign....
    That definitely needs to be taken in as evidence, but you can't dismiss the evidence I gave. Up from 4 seats to 11, and a big spike in the number of voters in the plus column, and losing her own seat in the minus column.
    Eh?

    They went from 12 seats to 11.

    Albeit with far more votes than in 2017.
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