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  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Some states do not allow abortion in cases of rape or incest . This to me is absolutely disgusting and a moral outrage.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    edited April 2022
    nico679 said:

    Some states do not allow abortion in cases of rape or incest . This to me is absolutely disgusting and a moral outrage.

    Well don't move to Alabama or Texas then, simple answer
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    Some states do not allow abortion in cases of rape or incest . This to me is absolutely disgusting and a moral outrage.

    Well don't move to Alabama then, simple answer
    If your wife were raped and she became pregnant, what would you do?
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    Some states do not allow abortion in cases of rape or incest . This to me is absolutely disgusting and a moral outrage.

    Well don't move to Alabama then, simple answer
    That was a rather flippant reply ignoring that women in those states are going to suffer dreadfully . Do you not understand the inhumanity of forcing a woman or girl who have been through a horrific trauma to then be told you must carry a child full term.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
    That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
    Republicans twice as likely as Democrats: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/19/ashley-madison-democrats-less-inclined-cheat-spouses-republicans

    This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
    It also showed Libertarian Party supporters had more affairs than Republicans and Green voters also cheated a lot.

    There are certainly far more traditional social conservative voters than libertarians
    Which is why Ashley Madison was so very, very busy!
    Less than 1% of Americans were users of Ashley Madison on that survey, so the vast majority of Republican voters will not have used it. It had its most users in Democratic California.

    Users also tended to be much wealthier than the average American, so no surprise most of them are wealthy libertarians. However libertarians are outnumbered by social conservatives in the Republican Party overall and indeed many libertarians now vote Libertarian Party anyway, not GOP
    Ah ha! So you DO understand confounding variables after all!
    Sadly you followed it up with what appears to be a lie: "most of them are libertarians" seems false. Libertarians are more likely to sign up, but their baseline population is much smaller than Republicans. So if you'd logged on to AM and sought a seamy night of political debate, you'd likely end up with MAGA hat on your bedroom floor.
    You have an ideological agenda, we know that.

    However even you cannot ignore these lines from the very article you linked to 'Across the board, Libertarians made up the greatest proportion of Ashley Madison clients. In the four states that had Libertarians, namely California, Florida, Kansas and New York, about one in 250 of the site’s clients had registered as Libertarians.'

    So registered supporters of the US Libertarian Party, not the Republican Party were the greatest users of Ashley Madison, we know that.

    Given less than 1% of Americans use Ashley Madison, the vast majority of Republicans would also not use the site either. The social conservative majority of the GOP therefore would not have touched Ashley Madison with a bargepole, some libertarian Republicans maybe but they are increasingly being driven out of the GOP to the Libertarian Party anyway, on which point your whole argument falls apart
    You said:

    about one in 250 of the site’s clients had registered as Libertarians.'

    So registered supporters of the US Libertarian Party, not the Republican Party were the greatest users of Ashley Madison, we know that.


    What. The. Actual. Fuck.

    0.4% of Ashley Madison users were Registered Libertarians on the numbers you posted.

    It is almost inconceivable that they outnumbered Republicans or Democrats.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
    That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
    Republicans twice as likely as Democrats: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/19/ashley-madison-democrats-less-inclined-cheat-spouses-republicans

    This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
    It also showed Libertarian Party supporters had more affairs than Republicans and Green voters also cheated a lot.

    There are certainly far more traditional social conservative voters than libertarians
    Which is why Ashley Madison was so very, very busy!
    Less than 1% of Americans were users of Ashley Madison on that survey, so the vast majority of Republican voters will not have used it. It had its most users in Democratic California.

    Users also tended to be much wealthier than the average American, so no surprise most of them are wealthy libertarians. However libertarians are outnumbered by social conservatives in the Republican Party overall and indeed many libertarians now vote Libertarian Party anyway, not GOP
    Ah ha! So you DO understand confounding variables after all!
    Sadly you followed it up with what appears to be a lie: "most of them are libertarians" seems false. Libertarians are more likely to sign up, but their baseline population is much smaller than Republicans. So if you'd logged on to AM and sought a seamy night of political debate, you'd likely end up with MAGA hat on your bedroom floor.
    You have an ideological agenda, we know that.

    However even you cannot ignore these lines from the very article you linked to 'Across the board, Libertarians made up the greatest proportion of Ashley Madison clients. In the four states that had Libertarians, namely California, Florida, Kansas and New York, about one in 250 of the site’s clients had registered as Libertarians.'

    So registered supporters of the US Libertarian Party, not the Republican Party were the greatest users of Ashley Madison, we know that.

    Given less than 1% of Americans use Ashley Madison, the vast majority of Republicans would also not use the site either. The social conservative majority of the GOP therefore would not have touched Ashley Madison with a bargepole, some libertarian Republicans maybe but they are increasingly being driven out of the GOP to the Libertarian Party anyway, on which point your whole argument falls apart
    You said:

    about one in 250 of the site’s clients had registered as Libertarians.'

    So registered supporters of the US Libertarian Party, not the Republican Party were the greatest users of Ashley Madison, we know that.


    What. The. Actual. Fuck.

    0.4% of Ashley Madison users were Registered Libertarians on the numbers you posted.

    It is almost inconceivable that they outnumbered Republicans or Democrats.
    That is one in 250 registered Libertarians had an account compared to one in 560 registered voters overall
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Farooq said:

    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    Some states do not allow abortion in cases of rape or incest . This to me is absolutely disgusting and a moral outrage.

    Well don't move to Alabama then, simple answer
    That was a rather flippant reply ignoring that women in those states are going to suffer dreadfully . Do you not understand the inhumanity of forcing a woman or girl who have been through a horrific trauma to then be told you must carry a child full term.
    HYUFD hates women. Nobody who had a shred of respect for women would come out with a comment like that.
    No I respect the unborn child, unlike you.

    If pro abortion on demand ideologues like you are no longer getting it all your own way, tough
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    I presume HYUFD is currently under the influence of very powerful weed.

    I can’t think of another explanation for tonight’s stream of bollocks.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153
    edited April 2022
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
    That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
    Republicans twice as likely as Democrats: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/19/ashley-madison-democrats-less-inclined-cheat-spouses-republicans

    This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
    It also showed Libertarian Party supporters had more affairs than Republicans and Green voters also cheated a lot.

    There are certainly far more traditional social conservative voters than libertarians
    Which is why Ashley Madison was so very, very busy!
    Less than 1% of Americans were users of Ashley Madison on that survey, so the vast majority of Republican voters will not have used it. It had its most users in Democratic California.

    Users also tended to be much wealthier than the average American, so no surprise most of them are wealthy libertarians. However libertarians are outnumbered by social conservatives in the Republican Party overall and indeed many libertarians now vote Libertarian Party anyway, not GOP
    Ah ha! So you DO understand confounding variables after all!
    Sadly you followed it up with what appears to be a lie: "most of them are libertarians" seems false. Libertarians are more likely to sign up, but their baseline population is much smaller than Republicans. So if you'd logged on to AM and sought a seamy night of political debate, you'd likely end up with MAGA hat on your bedroom floor.
    You have an ideological agenda, we know that.

    However even you cannot ignore these lines from the very article you linked to 'Across the board, Libertarians made up the greatest proportion of Ashley Madison clients. In the four states that had Libertarians, namely California, Florida, Kansas and New York, about one in 250 of the site’s clients had registered as Libertarians.'

    So registered supporters of the US Libertarian Party, not the Republican Party were the greatest users of Ashley Madison, we know that.

    Given less than 1% of Americans use Ashley Madison, the vast majority of Republicans would also not use the site either. The social conservative majority of the GOP therefore would not have touched Ashley Madison with a bargepole, some libertarian Republicans maybe but they are increasingly being driven out of the GOP to the Libertarian Party anyway, on which point your whole argument falls apart
    You said:

    about one in 250 of the site’s clients had registered as Libertarians.'

    So registered supporters of the US Libertarian Party, not the Republican Party were the greatest users of Ashley Madison, we know that.


    What. The. Actual. Fuck.

    0.4% of Ashley Madison users were Registered Libertarians on the numbers you posted.

    It is almost inconceivable that they outnumbered Republicans or Democrats.
    That is one in 250 registered Libertarians had an account compared to one in 560 registered voters overall
    In the four states that had Libertarians, namely California, Florida, Kansas and New York, about one in 250 of the site’s clients had registered as Libertarians.

    The Guardian is showing a gross failure to understand maths.

    Please don't be like them.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    I am dismissing Hunt’s chances because he’s a Remainer, and would never get through the party membership.

    However, I have to ask myself, who would I, desperate to see the end of the Tories, “fear” as Johnson’s replacement?

    I don’t think there is anyone truly worrying, but perhaps Hunt (or, as a wildcard, Mordaunt) comes closest.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
    That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
    Republicans twice as likely as Democrats: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/19/ashley-madison-democrats-less-inclined-cheat-spouses-republicans

    This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
    It also showed Libertarian Party supporters had more affairs than Republicans and Green voters also cheated a lot.

    There are certainly far more traditional social conservative voters than libertarians
    Which is why Ashley Madison was so very, very busy!
    Less than 1% of Americans were users of Ashley Madison on that survey, so the vast majority of Republican voters will not have used it. It had its most users in Democratic California.

    Users also tended to be much wealthier than the average American, so no surprise most of them are wealthy libertarians. However libertarians are outnumbered by social conservatives in the Republican Party overall and indeed many libertarians now vote Libertarian Party anyway, not GOP
    Ah ha! So you DO understand confounding variables after all!
    Sadly you followed it up with what appears to be a lie: "most of them are libertarians" seems false. Libertarians are more likely to sign up, but their baseline population is much smaller than Republicans. So if you'd logged on to AM and sought a seamy night of political debate, you'd likely end up with MAGA hat on your bedroom floor.
    You have an ideological agenda, we know that.

    However even you cannot ignore these lines from the very article you linked to 'Across the board, Libertarians made up the greatest proportion of Ashley Madison clients. In the four states that had Libertarians, namely California, Florida, Kansas and New York, about one in 250 of the site’s clients had registered as Libertarians.'

    So registered supporters of the US Libertarian Party, not the Republican Party were the greatest users of Ashley Madison, we know that.

    Given less than 1% of Americans use Ashley Madison, the vast majority of Republicans would also not use the site either. The social conservative majority of the GOP therefore would not have touched Ashley Madison with a bargepole, some libertarian Republicans maybe but they are increasingly being driven out of the GOP to the Libertarian Party anyway, on which point your whole argument falls apart
    You said:

    about one in 250 of the site’s clients had registered as Libertarians.'

    So registered supporters of the US Libertarian Party, not the Republican Party were the greatest users of Ashley Madison, we know that.


    What. The. Actual. Fuck.

    0.4% of Ashley Madison users were Registered Libertarians on the numbers you posted.

    It is almost inconceivable that they outnumbered Republicans or Democrats.
    Perhaps worth pointing out, that many US states do NOT have party registration of any kind (for example WA State) while others party registration categories reflect voters who took a party ballot in a previous primary.

    Also note that many states allow voters to register as "non-affiliated" or some other non-partisan designation.

    As for Libertarians, even state with some form of party registration do NOT have official Libertarian Party registration.

    So have serious doubts as to what these numbers are actually representing. As this is rather technical subject NOT very adapted to shade-tree quasi-analysis.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Farooq said:

    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    Some states do not allow abortion in cases of rape or incest . This to me is absolutely disgusting and a moral outrage.

    Well don't move to Alabama then, simple answer
    That was a rather flippant reply ignoring that women in those states are going to suffer dreadfully . Do you not understand the inhumanity of forcing a woman or girl who have been through a horrific trauma to then be told you must carry a child full term.
    HYUFD hates women. Nobody who had a shred of respect for women would come out with a comment like that.
    HYUFD has never actually met a woman.
    He has a wife, but you wouldn’t know her as she posts on another board.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
    That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
    Republicans twice as likely as Democrats: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/19/ashley-madison-democrats-less-inclined-cheat-spouses-republicans

    This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
    It also showed Libertarian Party supporters had more affairs than Republicans and Green voters also cheated a lot.

    There are certainly far more traditional social conservative voters than libertarians
    Which is why Ashley Madison was so very, very busy!
    Less than 1% of Americans were users of Ashley Madison on that survey, so the vast majority of Republican voters will not have used it. It had its most users in Democratic California.

    Users also tended to be much wealthier than the average American, so no surprise most of them are wealthy libertarians. However libertarians are outnumbered by social conservatives in the Republican Party overall and indeed many libertarians now vote Libertarian Party anyway, not GOP
    Ah ha! So you DO understand confounding variables after all!
    Sadly you followed it up with what appears to be a lie: "most of them are libertarians" seems false. Libertarians are more likely to sign up, but their baseline population is much smaller than Republicans. So if you'd logged on to AM and sought a seamy night of political debate, you'd likely end up with MAGA hat on your bedroom floor.
    You have an ideological agenda, we know that.

    However even you cannot ignore these lines from the very article you linked to 'Across the board, Libertarians made up the greatest proportion of Ashley Madison clients. In the four states that had Libertarians, namely California, Florida, Kansas and New York, about one in 250 of the site’s clients had registered as Libertarians.'

    So registered supporters of the US Libertarian Party, not the Republican Party were the greatest users of Ashley Madison, we know that.

    Given less than 1% of Americans use Ashley Madison, the vast majority of Republicans would also not use the site either. The social conservative majority of the GOP therefore would not have touched Ashley Madison with a bargepole, some libertarian Republicans maybe but they are increasingly being driven out of the GOP to the Libertarian Party anyway, on which point your whole argument falls apart
    You said:

    about one in 250 of the site’s clients had registered as Libertarians.'

    So registered supporters of the US Libertarian Party, not the Republican Party were the greatest users of Ashley Madison, we know that.


    What. The. Actual. Fuck.

    0.4% of Ashley Madison users were Registered Libertarians on the numbers you posted.

    It is almost inconceivable that they outnumbered Republicans or Democrats.
    That is one in 250 registered Libertarians had an account compared to one in 560 registered voters overall
    "about one in 250 of the site’s clients had registered as Libertarians"
    is not the same as
    "one in 250 registered Libertarians had an account"

    Fucking hell, you're thick today
    Whatever, Libertarians were still double the registration rate of the average voter
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    Farooq said:

    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico679 said:

    Some states do not allow abortion in cases of rape or incest . This to me is absolutely disgusting and a moral outrage.

    Well don't move to Alabama then, simple answer
    That was a rather flippant reply ignoring that women in those states are going to suffer dreadfully . Do you not understand the inhumanity of forcing a woman or girl who have been through a horrific trauma to then be told you must carry a child full term.
    HYUFD hates women. Nobody who had a shred of respect for women would come out with a comment like that.
    HYUFD has never actually met a woman.
    He has a wife, but you wouldn’t know her as she posts on another board.
    There are plenty of pro life women and plenty of pro abortion on demand men, as has been seen on here tonight
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,921

    I am dismissing Hunt’s chances because he’s a Remainer, and would never get through the party membership.

    However, I have to ask myself, who would I, desperate to see the end of the Tories, “fear” as Johnson’s replacement?

    I don’t think there is anyone truly worrying, but perhaps Hunt (or, as a wildcard, Mordaunt) comes closest.

    That is like the Tories who 'feared' Liz Kendal in 2015.

    It is not actual fear, Wallace has higher approval ratings with the public than Hunt, just someone who will change the least
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    HYUFD said:

    I am dismissing Hunt’s chances because he’s a Remainer, and would never get through the party membership.

    However, I have to ask myself, who would I, desperate to see the end of the Tories, “fear” as Johnson’s replacement?

    I don’t think there is anyone truly worrying, but perhaps Hunt (or, as a wildcard, Mordaunt) comes closest.

    That is like the Tories who 'feared' Liz Kendal in 2015.

    It is not actual fear, Wallace has higher approval ratings with the public than Hunt, just someone who will change the least
    I was the first person on here to tip Wallace.
    Shame I don’t bet.

    I don’t fear Wallace because I suspect (I could be wrong) that he doesn’t really have either the vision or the experience.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,206
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    On Boomers and NIMBYism, intergenerational unfairness and why the Conservatives are no longer the party of Thatcher: https://himbonomics.substack.com/p/-the-triumph-of-janet-?s=r

    Thank you. Some absolutely fascinating graphs and diagrams there.

    And for our PB Village Tory,

    "This goes beyond mere equity. The party faces a fight for its survival as the boomer cohort passes on. In the long run, how can a party which stands for the preservation and low taxation of capital survive if later cohorts do not accumulate any capital?

    Inheritance won’t save it. The average millennial is set to receive theirs in their mid-sixties - well beyond their fertile years, and well beyond when they might hope to build a foundation for their later life (Institute for Fiscal Studies, 2020). Leaving aside the distributive impact of inheritance (which is essentially untaxed), where the privileged are given a springboard well beyond necessity."
    It also ignores the fact most people are still on the property ladder, at least with a mortgage, by 39.

    Yes fewer 20 and early 30 year olds own property and are voting Tory than in the early 1990s but more pensioners are voting Conservative and over 40s are still voting Tory. Hence the Tory majority in 2019 was bigger than in 1992
    39 is really quite old for buying one's first house.
    If you want a family, you probably wanted to start it ten years earlier. It also means that you'll have only just paid off that first 25 year mortgage at retirement.

    By comparison, I bought at 25 (ten years ago), and would own therefore own my house mortgage free at 50 if my circumstances had continued unchanged.

    I'm currently looking at trading my 3 bed for which I paid £90k in 2012 for a 4 bed... Have been somewhat stunned to realise that my house is now probably worth £175k, and the cheapest 4 beds are around £250-300k (they were about £130-150 when I bought my house).

    There's no way I could possibly afford to buy a £175k house if I was starting again - my wages have maybe gone up 50% in cash terms whilst my house's value has gone up by around 100%.
    (the only reason a four bed is a possibility is my fiancee also owns a house which we'll sell after we marry).

    I can't see this rate of price growth being sustainable in the long term, but it's hard to see exactly how the madness stops either.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    nico679 said:

    Some states do not allow abortion in cases of rape or incest . This to me is absolutely disgusting and a moral outrage.

    I believe that women should have abortion on demand up to some time limit (and in this country it’s 20 weeks?).

    But if someone is genuinely against all abortion, it is absurd to demand they make an exception for rape or incest. How is it the fault of the fetus that their father was a rapist or the brother of their mother?

    For those who are not against all abortion, but would countenance it in the case of physical danger to the mother, I would think they should accept that the psycological damage of being forced to carry to term a baby which is a result of rape or incest is as bad as physical danger.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Seattle Times ($) - Rice cooker in SUV delays Biden departure, Sea-Tac official says

    President Joe Biden’s departure from Seattle-Tacoma International Airport was delayed, and Air Force One moved to a different area Friday afternoon because of reports of a suspicious item on the north end of the airport, officials said.

    Someone alerted security about a suspicious item in the open window of a black SUV near the LSG Sky Chefs facility on South 154th Street and 24th Avenue South before Biden arrived for his Friday departure to Philadelphia, airport spokesperson Perry Cooper said. The aircraft was moved to the runway, where Biden then boarded once he arrived by helicopter from Auburn at 4:20 p.m.

    Security officials had determined the item wasn't a threat — it was a rice cooker, Cooper said. The Port of Seattle is investigating and working with police, Cooper said.

    Hundreds of flight departures and arrivals were delayed, as security protocols require air traffic to clear for at least 30 minutes.

    “One of the challenges you have when Air Force One comes into your community is you have to do what they have to for security,” Cooper said. “With that in mind, if they want to stop air traffic, then that is going to have a rolling effect for all those flights when that delay happens. If it extends, then all those airlines have to catch up afterward.”
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587

    Seattle Times ($) - Rice cooker in SUV delays Biden departure, Sea-Tac official says

    President Joe Biden’s departure from Seattle-Tacoma International Airport was delayed, and Air Force One moved to a different area Friday afternoon because of reports of a suspicious item on the north end of the airport, officials said.

    Someone alerted security about a suspicious item in the open window of a black SUV near the LSG Sky Chefs facility on South 154th Street and 24th Avenue South before Biden arrived for his Friday departure to Philadelphia, airport spokesperson Perry Cooper said. The aircraft was moved to the runway, where Biden then boarded once he arrived by helicopter from Auburn at 4:20 p.m.

    Security officials had determined the item wasn't a threat — it was a rice cooker, Cooper said. The Port of Seattle is investigating and working with police, Cooper said.

    Hundreds of flight departures and arrivals were delayed, as security protocols require air traffic to clear for at least 30 minutes.

    “One of the challenges you have when Air Force One comes into your community is you have to do what they have to for security,” Cooper said. “With that in mind, if they want to stop air traffic, then that is going to have a rolling effect for all those flights when that delay happens. If it extends, then all those airlines have to catch up afterward.”

    Rice cookers look like pressure cookers, which may explain this.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Moderator, can we please change the "Off Topic" button to "LOL"

    The former being used about 99% of time in error intending to hit "Quote" or "Like". (FFTS = Fat Finger Texting Syndrome).

    Lot of times I have to hit "Like" when "LOL" would be far more appropriate.

    Of course a world of difference between hoots of delight and snorts of derision, but then cannot have infinite buttons.

    Or can we?

  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,206
    carnforth said:

    nico679 said:

    Some states do not allow abortion in cases of rape or incest . This to me is absolutely disgusting and a moral outrage.

    I believe that women should have abortion on demand up to some time limit (and in this country it’s 20 weeks?).

    But if someone is genuinely against all abortion, it is absurd to demand they make an exception for rape or incest. How is it the fault of the fetus that their father was a rapist or the brother of their mother?

    For those who are not against all abortion, but would countenance it in the case of physical danger to the mother, I would think they should accept that the psycological damage of being forced to carry to term a baby which is a result of rape or incest is as bad as physical danger.
    I think there's also a practical issue with banning abortion except in cases of rape, as unfortunately it might well lead to a lot of allegations of rape by those seeking abortions.
    See also the way that the 1967 abortion act was intended to only allow abortions in very limited circumstances, but it now goes through on the nod for anyone who wants one on the supposed basis of "the health of the mother".
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Disneyworld is no longer ruled by Mickey Mouse. As of today, Goofy has taken over.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/22/desantis-disney-special-status-dont-say-gay-00027302

    Personally am AGAINST special districts of the type created for fiscal benefit of Disney Corp back when Disneyworld was constructed. Clear however that Gov. De Santis is NOT opposed to the principle, just to corporations OR people who won't knuckle under.

    Huey Long without his charm, comic relief OR true populism in genuinely striving (and scheming) comfort the afflicted . . . and afflict the comfortable.

    Of course motive behind EVERYTHING De Santis does these days is 2024 presidential election.

    Shows amazing "development" of American politics since 2016, that a leading contender for the Republican nomination believes that one key means of winning over the GOP faithful and getting himself elected POTUS, is by kicking Mickey Mouse's big fat ass up and down Main Street, USA
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    edited April 2022

    Disneyworld is no longer ruled by Mickey Mouse. As of today, Goofy has taken over.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/22/desantis-disney-special-status-dont-say-gay-00027302

    Personally am AGAINST special districts of the type created for fiscal benefit of Disney Corp back when Disneyworld was constructed. Clear however that Gov. De Santis is NOT opposed to the principle, just to corporations OR people who won't knuckle under.

    Huey Long without his charm, comic relief OR true populism in genuinely striving (and scheming) comfort the afflicted . . . and afflict the comfortable.

    Of course motive behind EVERYTHING De Santis does these days is 2024 presidential election.

    Shows amazing "development" of American politics since 2016, that a leading contender for the Republican nomination believes that one key means of winning over the GOP faithful and getting himself elected POTUS, is by kicking Mickey Mouse's big fat ass up and down Main Street, USA

    They are hardly likely to decamp elsewhere, right? So whatever the motives, the policy will not backfire in the short term.

    The special area refers to the parts of Disney which are outwith the ticketed parks, right? How much is that? Becuase in the actual parks, they have complete control anyway.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,153

    Disneyworld is no longer ruled by Mickey Mouse. As of today, Goofy has taken over.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/22/desantis-disney-special-status-dont-say-gay-00027302

    Personally am AGAINST special districts of the type created for fiscal benefit of Disney Corp back when Disneyworld was constructed. Clear however that Gov. De Santis is NOT opposed to the principle, just to corporations OR people who won't knuckle under.

    Huey Long without his charm, comic relief OR true populism in genuinely striving (and scheming) comfort the afflicted . . . and afflict the comfortable.

    Of course motive behind EVERYTHING De Santis does these days is 2024 presidential election.

    Shows amazing "development" of American politics since 2016, that a leading contender for the Republican nomination believes that one key means of winning over the GOP faithful and getting himself elected POTUS, is by kicking Mickey Mouse's big fat ass up and down Main Street, USA

    Technically, the Reedy Creek Improvement District is only dissolved in 15 months time.

    Which is designed to allow Disney and the State of Florida to find a compromise. De Santis doesn't really give a shit about Disney, and certainly doesn't want to assume $1.5bn of debt. But he does want a victory.

    At some point in the next year and a bit, it will all be forgotten.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,786

    HYUFD said:

    I am dismissing Hunt’s chances because he’s a Remainer, and would never get through the party membership.

    However, I have to ask myself, who would I, desperate to see the end of the Tories, “fear” as Johnson’s replacement?

    I don’t think there is anyone truly worrying, but perhaps Hunt (or, as a wildcard, Mordaunt) comes closest.

    That is like the Tories who 'feared' Liz Kendal in 2015.

    It is not actual fear, Wallace has higher approval ratings with the public than Hunt, just someone who will change the least
    I was the first person on here to tip Wallace.
    Shame I don’t bet.

    I don’t fear Wallace because I suspect (I could be wrong) that he doesn’t really have either the vision or the experience.
    Cough. I might challenge that claim to be the first.
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