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  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,262

    "We'll reap the whirlwind on polling day", Steve Baker tells Telegraph tonight.

    What I don’t understand, the War in Ukraine is still the same war that blanketed our Print and TV media for a month, in fact it’s even more newsworthy now imo reporting has moved from speculating what was happening unseen, to the detail of hideous crimes of the Russian invasion, but all this Partygate and Boris under pressure stuff is getting all over the news again, as if our media is losing interest in the war. Why can’t media narratives stick to the weightier more important things, and show more balance in their reporting?

    It’s like the old mainstream media feel they can decide for us what the main media narrative actually is?
    The clue is in the title: "News". What's new today will get attention.

    Also, tbf, both the BBC and the Guardian have the War in Ukraine at the top of their sites.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772
    Has Boris Johnson resigned or been defenestrated yet?
  • Has Boris Johnson resigned or been defenestrated yet?

    No but will be by the 31st May (IMHO)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772
    Watched The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1 this evening, and the wife and I couldn't help but notice a large number of parallels with the war in Ukraine. I almost expected Jennifer Lawrence to finish one of her defiant speeches with "Slava Ukraini!"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    edited April 2022

    "We'll reap the whirlwind on polling day", Steve Baker tells Telegraph tonight.

    What I don’t understand, the War in Ukraine is still the same war that blanketed our Print and TV media for a month, in fact it’s even more newsworthy now imo reporting has moved from speculating what was happening unseen, to the detail of hideous crimes of the Russian invasion, but all this Partygate and Boris under pressure stuff is getting all over the news again, as if our media is losing interest in the war. Why can’t media narratives stick to the weightier more important things, and show more balance in their reporting?

    It’s like the old mainstream media feel they can decide for us what the main media narrative actually is?
    How is the 'old' media different than new in that respect?

    In any case, it is surely the case that people cannot maintain the same level of emotional intensity permanently, no matter how significant an issue is. It's one thing that means people can get through tragic long term events for a start. As it applies to news we just cannot keep up the same level of interest and focus forever, it was like that with Covid and stories just started washing over us with the same thing day in day out.

    I'm pleasantly surprised Ukraine has managed to maintain attention so prominently as long as it has, a testament to their fighting spirit and diplomatic efforts, and that of our politicians and, yes, even media in keeping it to the fore.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    Has Boris Johnson resigned or been defenestrated yet?

    No but will be by the 31st May (IMHO)
    That'd leave him a week shy of Gordon Brown's tenure. I'm sure he can hold on at least that little bit longer (though the period of a leadership contested for a start).
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392

    Watched The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1 this evening, and the wife and I couldn't help but notice a large number of parallels with the war in Ukraine. I almost expected Jennifer Lawrence to finish one of her defiant speeches with "Slava Ukraini!"

    The antagonists in those movies certainly collapsed very easily, it's strength clearly illusionary, so hopefully that part will also be paralleled.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
  • kle4 said:

    Has Boris Johnson resigned or been defenestrated yet?

    No but will be by the 31st May (IMHO)
    That'd leave him a week shy of Gordon Brown's tenure. I'm sure he can hold on at least that little bit longer (though the period of a leadership contested for a start).
    I believe he has lost control of his tenure and I expect it to be swift after 5th May though it is IMHO
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    Applicant said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    I know - my comment was aimed more at the PB pontificators sitting at home who think civil servants should be back in the office. But that would be discourteous, so I chose JRM as the target.
    JRM's been very busy, I'll have you know:

    image
    He might, perhaps, be able to connect the dots as to his presence and everyone wanting to be elsewhere?

    And since when do we put a dot in MP?
    I knew someone at university who insisted that acronyms that were pronounced as words should be all capitals, like NATO - and ones pronounced as initials should have dots, like N.U.S.

    Strange chap.
    What I find annoying is people who pronounce the initials for something when everyone else says it as a word.

    GIIGNL being a case in point. One person would never say Gignil. Spelt it out. Every time.
    TBF GIIGNL is just pandering to the garlic chewing surrender monkeys. IGLNGI in English.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married

    It is, that is not abusing them it is just supporting the institution of marriage and the traditional family
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    Unlike the header I am not calling the French election already. Still more than enough unknowns about what undecideds will do in my opinion. Unlike the header I think for months there’s been more than enough evidence the final poll was not a foregone conclusion. Why? Because many of the undecideds in this French election can be very similar of mind to the poorer people who feel they didn’t have much to fear from change when deciding the Brexit election, similarly putting Trump into Presidency by handing him democrat rust belt states.

    Let’s deal with some facts we have learnt. Channel 4 news tonight vox popped young black ladies who are voting for Le Pen. I’m young, white and right of any political centre, but I can’t ever imagine voting for Le Pen. But then C4 news voxpopped the very place yellow jacket revolt started in protest at Macrons fuel tax. So what we learnt in this election is not so much an answer, but a question - how many Frances are there?

    I don’t have post vote analysis from this coming Sundays vote in front of me, but If I say now it will show a divided Nation, not so much left/right but rich/poor, town/country, remain in EU/leave EU, happy to bear costs from sanctions on Russia/not so keen too. And many many other divides as well. Would I be wrong next week to predict that this evening?

    And, IF Macron wins, so has full term of office, I would say he is a winner. But if Le Pen makes progress from 33% to 45% 46%, with left votes, with young black ladies voting for her to confirm the makeover is a success, Le Pen will feel very much like a winner too. So am I wrong to predict their will be two winners on Sunday?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,001
    edited April 2022
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married

    It is, that is not abusing them it is just supporting the institution of marriage and the traditional family
    You are maligning unmarried couples across the land due to your religious bigotry
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 91,392
    edited April 2022
    Gotta say not really feeling the heat in the latest round of BigG vs HYUFD. Yes, traditional views about sanctity of marriage is not my thing at all, whatever works for a family I say (or even, dare I say, alone), but it's not like the term bastard was being thrown around or anything.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Home Office staff have threatened a mutiny over Priti Patel’s plans to ship refugees to Rwanda, with one drawing comparisons to working for the Third Reich, it has emerged.

    Home Office staff should do as they're told and paid for.
    Hopefully the Home Office is moved to Rwanda next; they'd probably do a better job.
    They can team up with the Danes. Those well-known right-wing extremists.
    You mean you expect the British Government to announce it will ship people to Rwanda, and then not actually do it?
    The British Government hasn't done anything with this idea yet. Much like the Danes.

    Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though.
    OK, so: thought experiment. Late January 1942, you get shown accurate and detailed minutes of the Wannsee Conference.

    "The Nazis haven't done anything with this idea yet.

    Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though."

    Adequate response?
    So you're comparing the proposed processing of asylum seekers in Rwanda to the Holocaust. Well once again you show yourself to be thoroughly level-headed and completely sane.

    Up front I am not condoning Ishmeals use of The Holocaust as comparator, Its too insensitive to use The Holocaust like that. but let me explain to you my position on this Ozy. Because my position on Rwanda plan is the wisest and I urge you to back me.

    In practice it needs to act as as deterrent, reduce, dramatically the amount of boat people heading illegally across channel to UK. Not a shred of evidence can be produced to show it will work.

    So why are the Tories doing it? Because their record on this is abysmal, leaving them with no other political option but to try to divert attention away from an abysmal record. The Tories have been in since 2010. Boris and Patel in their posts two and half years, and their record on reducing crossings and battling the gangs and working with continental friends on this issue abysmal.

    Secondly Here’s the kicker, The Tories have no plan to send migrants to Rwanda. The government does. If Boris and Patel fall out their jobs in next few months, the new Tory government I guarantee you 100% will drop this plan. Whatever part it plays on the Leadership hustings will be to help the losers lose. Why? How do I know this? Because in this weeks commons debate I watched live Patel gave us two massive take outs. Firstly UK government can never publish any finer details or costs because it will aid the criminal gangs. Secondly, women and children WILL be considered, but each case taken on its own merits.

    Patel barely has 50% of her parliamentary party supporting this, because they havn’t seen a detail plan, so they fear it will be expensive, over administrative, many controversial bad headlines causing Tory Party reputation damage, and won’t ever work as much deterrent so a poor use of tax payers money. They also know it’s only suggested to cover up government failure to deal with this properly via cooperation with continental partners in crushing the gangs.
    Thanks Moon. Let me start by saying I actually agree with you. And thank you for a reasoned and clear point of debate, This is indeed clearly a deterrent, and as with all deterrents it's only proven to be work when it does. (and "proving" a deterrent works is nigh on impossible).

    The Tories are throwing a lot of shit at the wall on this as it's natural red-meat territory to get the (majority) British publics juices flowing. It won't work and yes, the plan will come to nothing and be dropped. We all know this. At least those of us with any rational and reasoned thought.

    What I cannot abide is the lazy, knee-jerk silly criticisms of the usual "evil tory" crowd on issues like this. Hence why the Holocaust analogy is not just absurd, but plain down-right stupid (and borderline offensive). And it demonstrates a complete lack of both reason and power to rationally debate serious issues.

    What's the answer? Christ knows - which is what, I'm sure, every government in the Western world is saying on this issue right now - as we, in the "West" all have the same problem. Hysterical and highly partisan posts merely decrying any proposed solution is not the answer. This policy, although highly flawed and impracticable is not an exclusive "evil Tory" solution.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,392
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,262
    IshmaelZ said:

    Applicant said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    I know - my comment was aimed more at the PB pontificators sitting at home who think civil servants should be back in the office. But that would be discourteous, so I chose JRM as the target.
    JRM's been very busy, I'll have you know:

    image
    He might, perhaps, be able to connect the dots as to his presence and everyone wanting to be elsewhere?

    And since when do we put a dot in MP?
    I knew someone at university who insisted that acronyms that were pronounced as words should be all capitals, like NATO - and ones pronounced as initials should have dots, like N.U.S.

    Strange chap.
    What I find annoying is people who pronounce the initials for something when everyone else says it as a word.

    GIIGNL being a case in point. One person would never say Gignil. Spelt it out. Every time.
    TBF GIIGNL is just pandering to the garlic chewing surrender monkeys. IGLNGI in English.
    I'm GIGLING somewhat at this exchange.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,042

    Watched The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1 this evening, and the wife and I couldn't help but notice a large number of parallels with the war in Ukraine. I almost expected Jennifer Lawrence to finish one of her defiant speeches with "Slava Ukraini!"

    Commiserations.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
    If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 5,997
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 12,415
    edited April 2022
    kle4 said:

    "We'll reap the whirlwind on polling day", Steve Baker tells Telegraph tonight.

    What I don’t understand, the War in Ukraine is still the same war that blanketed our Print and TV media for a month, in fact it’s even more newsworthy now imo reporting has moved from speculating what was happening unseen, to the detail of hideous crimes of the Russian invasion, but all this Partygate and Boris under pressure stuff is getting all over the news again, as if our media is losing interest in the war. Why can’t media narratives stick to the weightier more important things, and show more balance in their reporting?

    It’s like the old mainstream media feel they can decide for us what the main media narrative actually is?
    How is the 'old' media different than new in that respect?

    In any case, it is surely the case that people cannot maintain the same level of emotional intensity permanently, no matter how significant an issue is. It's one thing that means people can get through tragic long term events for a start. As it applies to news we just cannot keep up the same level of interest and focus forever, it was like that with Covid and stories just started washing over us with the same thing day in day out.

    I'm pleasantly surprised Ukraine has managed to maintain attention so prominently as long as it has, a testament to their fighting spirit and diplomatic efforts, and that of our politicians and, yes, even media in keeping it to the fore.
    I disagree with your reply to my post on the basis the first month of coverage was largely a talking shop, not much to show us, loads of speculation, not much that was news worthy, but this has changed to more we must see, more that is newsworthy but losing out coverage time to much that would have been axed a month ago. I disagree with you because I remain unconvinced this change is driven by demand from readers and viewers losing as you say interest or emotional investment, but in fact decided for us by editors. And the editors, going too much in one direction, then too much the other, are getting it wrong.

    Proper news coverage, the worthwhile stuff not the rot to not waste time on Should be based on detail and evidence, not speculation.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Home Office staff have threatened a mutiny over Priti Patel’s plans to ship refugees to Rwanda, with one drawing comparisons to working for the Third Reich, it has emerged.

    Home Office staff should do as they're told and paid for.
    Hopefully the Home Office is moved to Rwanda next; they'd probably do a better job.
    They can team up with the Danes. Those well-known right-wing extremists.
    You mean you expect the British Government to announce it will ship people to Rwanda, and then not actually do it?
    The British Government hasn't done anything with this idea yet. Much like the Danes.

    Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though.
    OK, so: thought experiment. Late January 1942, you get shown accurate and detailed minutes of the Wannsee Conference.

    "The Nazis haven't done anything with this idea yet.

    Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though."

    Adequate response?
    So you're comparing the proposed processing of asylum seekers in Rwanda to the Holocaust. Well once again you show yourself to be thoroughly level-headed and completely sane.
    My point was the more general one that it is possible to condemn a plan beore it has been put into execution.

    But yes, on reflection, it is the most flagrant hyperbole to connect an episode of unimaginably horrific genocide, with little old Rwanda. What was I thinking?
    I don't know. What are you thinking? Very little it appears.
    I suspect that your problem (or rather one of them) is that you have no first hand idea of what the third world is actually like, because you have never been there. What it is, is third world. Really third world. You know the prison in Midnight Express? Same but more so.
    The Third World? I assume you mean "developing nations", after all we don't want to use disparaging terminology do we? You assume an awful lot, maybe because you have in your mind the idea that anyone who disagrees with you couldn't possibly have the obvious intellect and experience you do.

    Perhaps Rwanda isn't the apparent hell-hole you assume it to be - maybe you've spent time living there recently and barely escaped with your life? Maybe I've lived there for a considerable time and found it a wonderful country. Maybe. But you have no idea do you?
    Actually, I do.
    You have lived for for a considerable time in a sub Saharan country, you have found it "wonderful" for you, and have seen nothing to suggest that a penniless refugee in a prison would find a bit less wonderfulness in the situation than you?

    give over, love. You're embarrassing yourself.
    I'm not your love - despite what you may desire.

    You're the one embarrassing yourself I'm afraid. As it happens I've been to Rwanda (and Uganda) on more than a couple of occasions - not that I really need to explain that to you. Rwanda is a wonderful country - I enjoyed my stays immensely. It's most likely safer than many areas of London.

    I suppose what we're arguing about is whether an asylum seeker from wherever they may come from, seeking refuge from persecution or death, would feel safe in Rwanda. I'm sure they would! After all, they are seeking safety aren't they? Now Rwanda isn't as economically prosperous or as wealthy as the UK. That is granted. But asylum seekers aren't seeking economic advantage are they? They're after safety. Rwanda absolutely gives them that. So where's the problem? Unless you're saying of course that asylum seekers aren't really seeking safety, and that they're seeking economic betterment.

    But hey! According to you, Rwanda's the new base of crypto-Nazi death camps sponsored by the UK government. So let's go with that. That makes you feel better and I'm all for that.
    Jesus Christ, how stupid are you? You claim to have been to Rwanda; I wouldn't stake my house on that being true, but that's not the point. You are, let me guess, a phat first world whiteboi. You are too stupid to realise that your perception of the safety of the place is connected with that fact, because it seriously doesn't pay in those parts to fuck with phat rich whitebois with embassies and stuff behind them. You seriously don't understand that survival in third world prisons and for that matter hospitals depends on a family network backup.

    Very tempted to have a let's say £1000 bet that you have never spent more than 2 consecutive weeks in Rwanda. I note you have come down in 2 posts from " lived there for a considerable time" to "been to on more than a couple of occasions." Wanna retreat further?

    And realise this: you think being stupid is morally OK, it's just being stupid. I am afraid that's wrong, there are levels at which it is indistinguishable from evil. Have you any idea what happened in 1994, without googling or phoning a friend? Hur hur hur, fancy thinking Rwanda was ever a neo Nazi hell hole. Hur hur.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Home Office staff have threatened a mutiny over Priti Patel’s plans to ship refugees to Rwanda, with one drawing comparisons to working for the Third Reich, it has emerged.

    Home Office staff should do as they're told and paid for.
    Hopefully the Home Office is moved to Rwanda next; they'd probably do a better job.
    They can team up with the Danes. Those well-known right-wing extremists.
    You mean you expect the British Government to announce it will ship people to Rwanda, and then not actually do it?
    The British Government hasn't done anything with this idea yet. Much like the Danes.

    Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though.
    OK, so: thought experiment. Late January 1942, you get shown accurate and detailed minutes of the Wannsee Conference.

    "The Nazis haven't done anything with this idea yet.

    Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though."

    Adequate response?
    So you're comparing the proposed processing of asylum seekers in Rwanda to the Holocaust. Well once again you show yourself to be thoroughly level-headed and completely sane.
    My point was the more general one that it is possible to condemn a plan beore it has been put into execution.

    But yes, on reflection, it is the most flagrant hyperbole to connect an episode of unimaginably horrific genocide, with little old Rwanda. What was I thinking?
    I don't know. What are you thinking? Very little it appears.
    I suspect that your problem (or rather one of them) is that you have no first hand idea of what the third world is actually like, because you have never been there. What it is, is third world. Really third world. You know the prison in Midnight Express? Same but more so.
    The Third World? I assume you mean "developing nations", after all we don't want to use disparaging terminology do we? You assume an awful lot, maybe because you have in your mind the idea that anyone who disagrees with you couldn't possibly have the obvious intellect and experience you do.

    Perhaps Rwanda isn't the apparent hell-hole you assume it to be - maybe you've spent time living there recently and barely escaped with your life? Maybe I've lived there for a considerable time and found it a wonderful country. Maybe. But you have no idea do you?
    Actually, I do.
    You have lived for for a considerable time in a sub Saharan country, you have found it "wonderful" for you, and have seen nothing to suggest that a penniless refugee in a prison would find a bit less wonderfulness in the situation than you?

    give over, love. You're embarrassing yourself.
    I'm not your love - despite what you may desire.

    You're the one embarrassing yourself I'm afraid. As it happens I've been to Rwanda (and Uganda) on more than a couple of occasions - not that I really need to explain that to you. Rwanda is a wonderful country - I enjoyed my stays immensely. It's most likely safer than many areas of London.

    I suppose what we're arguing about is whether an asylum seeker from wherever they may come from, seeking refuge from persecution or death, would feel safe in Rwanda. I'm sure they would! After all, they are seeking safety aren't they? Now Rwanda isn't as economically prosperous or as wealthy as the UK. That is granted. But asylum seekers aren't seeking economic advantage are they? They're after safety. Rwanda absolutely gives them that. So where's the problem? Unless you're saying of course that asylum seekers aren't really seeking safety, and that they're seeking economic betterment.

    But hey! According to you, Rwanda's the new base of crypto-Nazi death camps sponsored by the UK government. So let's go with that. That makes you feel better and I'm all for that.
    Jesus Christ, how stupid are you? You claim to have been to Rwanda; I wouldn't stake my house on that being true, but that's not the point. You are, let me guess, a phat first world whiteboi. You are too stupid to realise that your perception of the safety of the place is connected with that fact, because it seriously doesn't pay in those parts to fuck with phat rich whitebois with embassies and stuff behind them. You seriously don't understand that survival in third world prisons and for that matter hospitals depends on a family network backup.

    Very tempted to have a let's say £1000 bet that you have never spent more than 2 consecutive weeks in Rwanda. I note you have come down in 2 posts from " lived there for a considerable time" to "been to on more than a couple of occasions." Wanna retreat further?

    And realise this: you think being stupid is morally OK, it's just being stupid. I am afraid that's wrong, there are levels at which it is indistinguishable from evil. Have you any idea what happened in 1994, without googling or phoning a friend? Hur hur hur, fancy thinking Rwanda was ever a neo Nazi hell hole. Hur hur.
    You're just an idiot. Best you just go away and watch more episodes of your Avatar - unless you find them too difficult to understand. Which is most likely true.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
    If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
    On behalf of all unmarried couples in the land who would be insulted by your statement that children are BEST bought up families with married parents
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    Applicant said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    I know - my comment was aimed more at the PB pontificators sitting at home who think civil servants should be back in the office. But that would be discourteous, so I chose JRM as the target.
    JRM's been very busy, I'll have you know:

    image
    He might, perhaps, be able to connect the dots as to his presence and everyone wanting to be elsewhere?

    And since when do we put a dot in MP?
    I knew someone at university who insisted that acronyms that were pronounced as words should be all capitals, like NATO - and ones pronounced as initials should have dots, like N.U.S.

    Strange chap.
    What I find annoying is people who pronounce the initials for something when everyone else says it as a word.

    GIIGNL being a case in point. One person would never say Gignil. Spelt it out. Every time.
    TBF GIIGNL is just pandering to the garlic chewing surrender monkeys. IGLNGI in English.
    I'm GIGLING somewhat at this exchange.
    That's the kind of remark I would expect from an inhabitant of an OTAN country.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    edited April 2022

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,909
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married

    It is, that is not abusing them it is just supporting the institution of marriage and the traditional family
    GOD IS SINGLE - MARRIAGE IS BLASPHEMY!
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,760
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Poor France. A worse choice of leader than Britain had in 2019 or the US had in 2020.

    What's he done to offend you? Too right wing?
    It's interesting to ponder the root of anti-Macron sentiment over here. If you're left wing it makes sense - the guy is a centre right politician who forces leftist voters to vote for him to keep the far right out. That's annoying. But most of it seems to come from people who are themselves well right of centre in their politics. So I conclude it's not about his politics it's about the man. But what about the man? I'm not sure, and won't pretend to be, but I sense it might have something to do with him being French.
    A close friend of mine knows him well (and has negotiated with him extensively on multiple occasions).

    “Odious and untrustworthy” was his description.
    Ok, but not many people have close friends who have negotiated with Macron extensively on multiple occasions. So that can't really explain it.

    (It's not Putin, is it?)
    I think most people can figure out odious and untrustworthy from the TV
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married

    It is, that is not abusing them it is just supporting the institution of marriage and the traditional family
    GOD IS SINGLE - MARRIAGE IS BLASPHEMY!
    I thought he got jiggy with da virgin Mary? So premarital seems OK.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,706

    Applicant said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    I know - my comment was aimed more at the PB pontificators sitting at home who think civil servants should be back in the office. But that would be discourteous, so I chose JRM as the target.
    JRM's been very busy, I'll have you know:

    image
    He might, perhaps, be able to connect the dots as to his presence and everyone wanting to be elsewhere?

    And since when do we put a dot in MP?
    I knew someone at university who insisted that acronyms that were pronounced as words should be all capitals, like NATO - and ones pronounced as initials should have dots, like N.U.S.

    Strange chap.
    What I find annoying is people who pronounce the initials for something when everyone else says it as a word.

    GIIGNL being a case in point. One person would never say Gignil. Spelt it out. Every time.
    EICIPM!

    SKSWNBPM!
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,392
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
    If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
    Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.

    Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.

    So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    edited April 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married

    It is, that is not abusing them it is just supporting the institution of marriage and the traditional family
    GOD IS SINGLE - MARRIAGE IS BLASPHEMY!
    I thought he got jiggy with da virgin Mary? So premarital seems OK.
    No it was a virgin birth through the Holy Spirit, no sex involved. She then brought up Jesus with her husband Joseph
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Home Office staff have threatened a mutiny over Priti Patel’s plans to ship refugees to Rwanda, with one drawing comparisons to working for the Third Reich, it has emerged.

    Home Office staff should do as they're told and paid for.
    Hopefully the Home Office is moved to Rwanda next; they'd probably do a better job.
    They can team up with the Danes. Those well-known right-wing extremists.
    You mean you expect the British Government to announce it will ship people to Rwanda, and then not actually do it?
    The British Government hasn't done anything with this idea yet. Much like the Danes.

    Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though.
    OK, so: thought experiment. Late January 1942, you get shown accurate and detailed minutes of the Wannsee Conference.

    "The Nazis haven't done anything with this idea yet.

    Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though."

    Adequate response?
    So you're comparing the proposed processing of asylum seekers in Rwanda to the Holocaust. Well once again you show yourself to be thoroughly level-headed and completely sane.
    My point was the more general one that it is possible to condemn a plan beore it has been put into execution.

    But yes, on reflection, it is the most flagrant hyperbole to connect an episode of unimaginably horrific genocide, with little old Rwanda. What was I thinking?
    I don't know. What are you thinking? Very little it appears.
    I suspect that your problem (or rather one of them) is that you have no first hand idea of what the third world is actually like, because you have never been there. What it is, is third world. Really third world. You know the prison in Midnight Express? Same but more so.
    The Third World? I assume you mean "developing nations", after all we don't want to use disparaging terminology do we? You assume an awful lot, maybe because you have in your mind the idea that anyone who disagrees with you couldn't possibly have the obvious intellect and experience you do.

    Perhaps Rwanda isn't the apparent hell-hole you assume it to be - maybe you've spent time living there recently and barely escaped with your life? Maybe I've lived there for a considerable time and found it a wonderful country. Maybe. But you have no idea do you?
    Actually, I do.
    You have lived for for a considerable time in a sub Saharan country, you have found it "wonderful" for you, and have seen nothing to suggest that a penniless refugee in a prison would find a bit less wonderfulness in the situation than you?

    give over, love. You're embarrassing yourself.
    I'm not your love - despite what you may desire.

    You're the one embarrassing yourself I'm afraid. As it happens I've been to Rwanda (and Uganda) on more than a couple of occasions - not that I really need to explain that to you. Rwanda is a wonderful country - I enjoyed my stays immensely. It's most likely safer than many areas of London.

    I suppose what we're arguing about is whether an asylum seeker from wherever they may come from, seeking refuge from persecution or death, would feel safe in Rwanda. I'm sure they would! After all, they are seeking safety aren't they? Now Rwanda isn't as economically prosperous or as wealthy as the UK. That is granted. But asylum seekers aren't seeking economic advantage are they? They're after safety. Rwanda absolutely gives them that. So where's the problem? Unless you're saying of course that asylum seekers aren't really seeking safety, and that they're seeking economic betterment.

    But hey! According to you, Rwanda's the new base of crypto-Nazi death camps sponsored by the UK government. So let's go with that. That makes you feel better and I'm all for that.
    Jesus Christ, how stupid are you? You claim to have been to Rwanda; I wouldn't stake my house on that being true, but that's not the point. You are, let me guess, a phat first world whiteboi. You are too stupid to realise that your perception of the safety of the place is connected with that fact, because it seriously doesn't pay in those parts to fuck with phat rich whitebois with embassies and stuff behind them. You seriously don't understand that survival in third world prisons and for that matter hospitals depends on a family network backup.

    Very tempted to have a let's say £1000 bet that you have never spent more than 2 consecutive weeks in Rwanda. I note you have come down in 2 posts from " lived there for a considerable time" to "been to on more than a couple of occasions." Wanna retreat further?

    And realise this: you think being stupid is morally OK, it's just being stupid. I am afraid that's wrong, there are levels at which it is indistinguishable from evil. Have you any idea what happened in 1994, without googling or phoning a friend? Hur hur hur, fancy thinking Rwanda was ever a neo Nazi hell hole. Hur hur.
    You're just an idiot. Best you just go away and watch more episodes of your Avatar - unless you find them too difficult to understand. Which is most likely true.
    Yeah

    Easy £1000 you are passing up there.

    Unless of course....
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,129
    edited April 2022

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    I wonder what his chat up lines would be if he were on the pull..
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,263

    HYUFD said:



    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that

    It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married

    What happened to that Labour voter who used to post here with extremely conservative social views - used to deplore fornication outside marriage and so on? Did he just drop out, or was he banned for something?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
    If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
    Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.

    Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.

    So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
    Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,835
    Does anyone care if anyone is married these days?
    I was for 28 years. Didn't make a blind bit of difference to anything really. Technically still am. Also makes no odds.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,835
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    I'd be amazed too.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    edited April 2022

    HYUFD said:



    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that

    It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married

    What happened to that Labour voter who used to post here with extremely conservative social views - used to deplore fornication outside marriage and so on? Did he just drop out, or was he banned for something?
    Justin? He was one of the few social conservatives on here and actually more so than me. I think he was banned.

    I remember he called Liz Truss 'a trollop' amongst other things but he offered a rare economically left, socially conservative viewpoint. So a pity he went
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,392
    HYUFD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married

    It is, that is not abusing them it is just supporting the institution of marriage and the traditional family
    GOD IS SINGLE - MARRIAGE IS BLASPHEMY!
    I thought he got jiggy with da virgin Mary? So premarital seems OK.
    No it was a virgin birth through the Holy Spirit, no sex involved. She then brought up Jesus with her husband Joseph
    Isn't the whole virgin malarkey down to a mistranslation? Should have just said 'Born of a young woman'?

    And anyhow, if Joseph wasn't Jesus's father, then the whole 'born of David's line' thing falls apart.

    Theology, eh? Much simpler for us atheists.
  • dixiedean said:

    Does anyone care if anyone is married these days?
    I was for 28 years. Didn't make a blind bit of difference to anything really. Technically still am. Also makes no odds.

    God cares.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,835
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that

    It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married

    What happened to that Labour voter who used to post here with extremely conservative social views - used to deplore fornication outside marriage and so on? Did he just drop out, or was he banned for something?
    He was one of the few social conservatives on here and actually more so than me. I think he was banned.

    I remember he called Liz Truss 'a trollop' amongst other things but he offered a rare economically left, socially conservative viewpoint on here. So a pity he went
    Justin.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,812
    The Tories are profoundly anti-family.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:



    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that

    It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married

    What happened to that Labour voter who used to post here with extremely conservative social views - used to deplore fornication outside marriage and so on? Did he just drop out, or was he banned for something?
    He was one of the few social conservatives on here and actually more so than me. I think he was banned.

    I remember he called Liz Truss 'a trollop' amongst other things but he offered a rare economically left, socially conservative viewpoint on here. So a pity he went
    Justin.
    Socially Conservative is one thing, psychotically bigoted another.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Home Office staff have threatened a mutiny over Priti Patel’s plans to ship refugees to Rwanda, with one drawing comparisons to working for the Third Reich, it has emerged.

    Home Office staff should do as they're told and paid for.
    Hopefully the Home Office is moved to Rwanda next; they'd probably do a better job.
    They can team up with the Danes. Those well-known right-wing extremists.
    You mean you expect the British Government to announce it will ship people to Rwanda, and then not actually do it?
    The British Government hasn't done anything with this idea yet. Much like the Danes.

    Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though.
    OK, so: thought experiment. Late January 1942, you get shown accurate and detailed minutes of the Wannsee Conference.

    "The Nazis haven't done anything with this idea yet.

    Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though."

    Adequate response?
    So you're comparing the proposed processing of asylum seekers in Rwanda to the Holocaust. Well once again you show yourself to be thoroughly level-headed and completely sane.
    My point was the more general one that it is possible to condemn a plan beore it has been put into execution.

    But yes, on reflection, it is the most flagrant hyperbole to connect an episode of unimaginably horrific genocide, with little old Rwanda. What was I thinking?
    I don't know. What are you thinking? Very little it appears.
    I suspect that your problem (or rather one of them) is that you have no first hand idea of what the third world is actually like, because you have never been there. What it is, is third world. Really third world. You know the prison in Midnight Express? Same but more so.
    The Third World? I assume you mean "developing nations", after all we don't want to use disparaging terminology do we? You assume an awful lot, maybe because you have in your mind the idea that anyone who disagrees with you couldn't possibly have the obvious intellect and experience you do.

    Perhaps Rwanda isn't the apparent hell-hole you assume it to be - maybe you've spent time living there recently and barely escaped with your life? Maybe I've lived there for a considerable time and found it a wonderful country. Maybe. But you have no idea do you?
    Actually, I do.
    You have lived for for a considerable time in a sub Saharan country, you have found it "wonderful" for you, and have seen nothing to suggest that a penniless refugee in a prison would find a bit less wonderfulness in the situation than you?

    give over, love. You're embarrassing yourself.
    I'm not your love - despite what you may desire.

    You're the one embarrassing yourself I'm afraid. As it happens I've been to Rwanda (and Uganda) on more than a couple of occasions - not that I really need to explain that to you. Rwanda is a wonderful country - I enjoyed my stays immensely. It's most likely safer than many areas of London.

    I suppose what we're arguing about is whether an asylum seeker from wherever they may come from, seeking refuge from persecution or death, would feel safe in Rwanda. I'm sure they would! After all, they are seeking safety aren't they? Now Rwanda isn't as economically prosperous or as wealthy as the UK. That is granted. But asylum seekers aren't seeking economic advantage are they? They're after safety. Rwanda absolutely gives them that. So where's the problem? Unless you're saying of course that asylum seekers aren't really seeking safety, and that they're seeking economic betterment.

    But hey! According to you, Rwanda's the new base of crypto-Nazi death camps sponsored by the UK government. So let's go with that. That makes you feel better and I'm all for that.
    Jesus Christ, how stupid are you? You claim to have been to Rwanda; I wouldn't stake my house on that being true, but that's not the point. You are, let me guess, a phat first world whiteboi. You are too stupid to realise that your perception of the safety of the place is connected with that fact, because it seriously doesn't pay in those parts to fuck with phat rich whitebois with embassies and stuff behind them. You seriously don't understand that survival in third world prisons and for that matter hospitals depends on a family network backup.

    Very tempted to have a let's say £1000 bet that you have never spent more than 2 consecutive weeks in Rwanda. I note you have come down in 2 posts from " lived there for a considerable time" to "been to on more than a couple of occasions." Wanna retreat further?

    And realise this: you think being stupid is morally OK, it's just being stupid. I am afraid that's wrong, there are levels at which it is indistinguishable from evil. Have you any idea what happened in 1994, without googling or phoning a friend? Hur hur hur, fancy thinking Rwanda was ever a neo Nazi hell hole. Hur hur.
    You're just an idiot. Best you just go away and watch more episodes of your Avatar - unless you find them too difficult to understand. Which is most likely true.
    Yeah

    Easy £1000 you are passing up there.

    Unless of course....
    If I had any inclination you were anything more than a keyboard warrior I'd take you up on that. But you're not. You're just an imbecile.

    You're safer sticking to Peppa. She uses words in a way you can understand. Well. In most episodes. Some episodes probably confuse you immensely. Remember. Not everything is comparable to the Holocaust! (even Tories!).

    Sleep well!!!
  • HYUFD said:



    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that

    It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married

    What happened to that Labour voter who used to post here with extremely conservative social views - used to deplore fornication outside marriage and so on? Did he just drop out, or was he banned for something?
    Yes I do remember him and I think he was banned

    Good recall Nick
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,911
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
    If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
    Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.

    Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.

    So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
    Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
    If the Tories are not keen on abortion why have they introduced the two child limit on benefits, which is designed to encourage abortion?
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    Unlike the header I am not calling the French election already. Still more than enough unknowns about what undecideds will do in my opinion. Unlike the header I think for months there’s been more than enough evidence the final poll was not a foregone conclusion. Why? Because many of the undecideds in this French election can be very similar of mind to the poorer people who feel they didn’t have much to fear from change when deciding the Brexit election, similarly putting Trump into Presidency by handing him democrat rust belt states.

    Let’s deal with some facts we have learnt. Channel 4 news tonight vox popped young black ladies who are voting for Le Pen. I’m young, white and right of any political centre, but I can’t ever imagine voting for Le Pen. But then C4 news voxpopped the very place yellow jacket revolt started in protest at Macrons fuel tax. So what we learnt in this election is not so much an answer, but a question - how many Frances are there?

    I don’t have post vote analysis from this coming Sundays vote in front of me, but If I say now it will show a divided Nation, not so much left/right but rich/poor, town/country, remain in EU/leave EU, happy to bear costs from sanctions on Russia/not so keen too. And many many other divides as well. Would I be wrong next week to predict that this evening?

    And, IF Macron wins, so has full term of office, I would say he is a winner. But if Le Pen makes progress from 33% to 45% 46%, with left votes, with young black ladies voting for her to confirm the makeover is a success, Le Pen will feel very much like a winner too. So am I wrong to predict their will be two winners on Sunday?

    Yes
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 14,772
    dixiedean said:

    Does anyone care if anyone is married these days?
    I was for 28 years. Didn't make a blind bit of difference to anything really. Technically still am. Also makes no odds.

    Certainly the thinking around marriage nowadays is a bit different to previously. There's a story from the Channel 4 "reality" show "Married At First Sight" which is interesting about this.

    Originally, the show legally married strangers on first sight - most of whom then went on to have their marriages annulled or divorced. However, in the last series they only had a pretendy service which wasn't a legal wedding, which resulted in the weird spectacle of one of the "husbands" proposing to his "wife" at the end of the series when they decided to stay together. This couple had been planning to marry this year, but since the bride-to-be (or bride-who-was) is now pregnant, they've decided to delay the wedding until next year. So clearly the whole thing is treated very differently to in the past.

    Personally I think that if marriage didn't exist we'd probably create something pretty similar. It's a way of nominating someone you are in a relationship with to the government, so that you each have a series of legal rights and protections - that feels like a useful practical step for unrelated people in a long-term relationship. And then why not have a big party for your friends and family to mark the occasion of realising that you are in such a long-term relationship with another person that you felt it worthwhile to tell the government about it?
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    dixiedean said:

    Does anyone care if anyone is married these days?
    I was for 28 years. Didn't make a blind bit of difference to anything really. Technically still am. Also makes no odds.

    God cares.
    So, nobody then.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,392
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
    If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
    Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.

    Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.

    So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
    Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
    Got to give you that. The Conservatives are so pro-marriage that they extended it to same-sex couples.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,911

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
    If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
    Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.

    Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.

    So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
    Boris Johnson is a big fan of the family. That's why he has so many of them.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    edited April 2022

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
    If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
    Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.

    Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.

    So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
    Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
    Got to give you that. The Conservatives are so pro-marriage that they extended it to same-sex couples.
    Conservative MPs voted against it
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    I wonder what his chat up lines would be if he were on the pull..
    "Would you like to put your lips around some original Wedgwood?"

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709

    HYUFD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married

    It is, that is not abusing them it is just supporting the institution of marriage and the traditional family
    GOD IS SINGLE - MARRIAGE IS BLASPHEMY!
    I thought he got jiggy with da virgin Mary? So premarital seems OK.
    No it was a virgin birth through the Holy Spirit, no sex involved. She then brought up Jesus with her husband Joseph
    Isn't the whole virgin malarkey down to a mistranslation? Should have just said 'Born of a young woman'?

    And anyhow, if Joseph wasn't Jesus's father, then the whole 'born of David's line' thing falls apart.

    Theology, eh? Much simpler for us atheists.
    Mary also had an ancestor, Nathan, who was David's son.

    Plus Jesus was also of Messiah by prophetic appointment as David was King by prophetic appointment via Samuel
  • CookieCookie Posts: 11,182

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
    If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
    Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.

    Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.

    So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
    Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
    If the Tories are not keen on abortion why have they introduced the two child limit on benefits, which is designed to encourage abortion?
    I don't think that was exactly what it was designed *for* - arguably it may be an unintended consequence. Though probably very marginal indeed.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    edited April 2022

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
    If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
    Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.

    Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.

    So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
    Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
    Got to give you that. The Conservatives are so pro-marriage that they extended it to same-sex couples.
    I am not anti gay marriage either, homosexuals should enjoy the benefits of marriage too. Although I would not impose it on churches without a priest's consent
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    Ah feck, Trump still works:

    INDEPENDENCE, Ohio — He was lagging in the polls. His cash was running low. With the state’s primary fast approaching, J.D. Vance’s chances of winning the Ohio GOP Senate nomination didn’t look promising.

    But his fortunes have changed dramatically in just the last week since Donald Trump delivered his endorsement, an intervention that has upended one of the most contentious Republican primaries in the nation.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/22/vance-ohio-senate-00027183
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
    If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
    Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.

    Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.

    So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
    Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
    If the Tories are not keen on abortion why have they introduced the two child limit on benefits, which is designed to encourage abortion?
    No it is designed to stop people having more children on the state than they can afford. If they want more they should work more to pay for them.

    Only a few weeks ago most Tory MPs voted against DIY abortion, most Labour and LD MPs for it
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,909

    dixiedean said:

    Does anyone care if anyone is married these days?
    I was for 28 years. Didn't make a blind bit of difference to anything really. Technically still am. Also makes no odds.

    God cares.
    GOD is SINGLE!
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,911
    Cookie said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
    If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
    Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.

    Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.

    So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
    Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
    If the Tories are not keen on abortion why have they introduced the two child limit on benefits, which is designed to encourage abortion?
    I don't think that was exactly what it was designed *for* - arguably it may be an unintended consequence. Though probably very marginal indeed.
    Hardly an unintended consequence. It is explicitly designed to stop poor people having more than two children by making the third child unaffordable. If the family has an unexpected pregnancy the policy is designed to encourage them to have a termination. That's a feature, not a bug.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,557

    "We'll reap the whirlwind on polling day", Steve Baker tells Telegraph tonight.

    What I don’t understand, the War in Ukraine is still the same war that blanketed our Print and TV media for a month, in fact it’s even more newsworthy now imo reporting has moved from speculating what was happening unseen, to the detail of hideous crimes of the Russian invasion, but all this Partygate and Boris under pressure stuff is getting all over the news again, as if our media is losing interest in the war. Why can’t media narratives stick to the weightier more important things, and show more balance in their reporting?

    It’s like the old mainstream media feel they can decide for us what the main media narrative actually is?
    Quick look at the BBC and Guardian front pages show Ukraine leading, so I’m not sure what your point is - are we allowed only one thing in the news at once ?
    (That’s Boris’s line.)
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 3,911
    kle4 said:

    Gotta say not really feeling the heat in the latest round of BigG vs HYUFD. Yes, traditional views about sanctity of marriage is not my thing at all, whatever works for a family I say (or even, dare I say, alone), but it's not like the term bastard was being thrown around or anything.

    Has anyone ever thrown the word "bastard" around quite like Sean Bean?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE8d-uGmIWk
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 14,911
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
    If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
    Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.

    Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.

    So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
    Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
    If the Tories are not keen on abortion why have they introduced the two child limit on benefits, which is designed to encourage abortion?
    No it is designed to stop people having more children on the state than they can afford. If they want more they should work more to pay for them.

    Only a few weeks ago most Tory MPs voted against DIY abortion, most Labour and LD MPs for it
    No it is a policy designed to encourage poor people who become pregnant by accident to have a termination, by making the third child unaffordable.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,557
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Your beliefs do not equate to “all the statistics show”.
    Big_G is right, I think.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 48,909
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
    If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
    Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.

    Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.

    So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
    Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
    The God YOU worship is the world's most prolific abortionist - He just calls it "miscarriage".
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 26,279
    edited April 2022

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is a traditionalist and they tend to believe that usually the place to work is not at home, and that there should be a distinction between home life and work life. It's a valid point of view in my opinion.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,129
    edited April 2022
    Farooq said:

    dixiedean said:

    Does anyone care if anyone is married these days?
    I was for 28 years. Didn't make a blind bit of difference to anything really. Technically still am. Also makes no odds.

    God cares.
    So, nobody then.
    Do the Father and/or the Son have bodies? I’m pretty sure the Holy Ghost doesn’t..
  • dixiedean said:

    Does anyone care if anyone is married these days?
    I was for 28 years. Didn't make a blind bit of difference to anything really. Technically still am. Also makes no odds.

    God cares.
    GOD is SINGLE!
    Triple.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,038
    Prediction: JD Vance will be a future POTUS candidate.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,392
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married

    It is, that is not abusing them it is just supporting the institution of marriage and the traditional family
    GOD IS SINGLE - MARRIAGE IS BLASPHEMY!
    I thought he got jiggy with da virgin Mary? So premarital seems OK.
    No it was a virgin birth through the Holy Spirit, no sex involved. She then brought up Jesus with her husband Joseph
    Isn't the whole virgin malarkey down to a mistranslation? Should have just said 'Born of a young woman'?

    And anyhow, if Joseph wasn't Jesus's father, then the whole 'born of David's line' thing falls apart.

    Theology, eh? Much simpler for us atheists.
    Mary also had an ancestor, Nathan, who was David's son.

    Plus Jesus was also of Messiah by prophetic appointment as David was King by prophetic appointment via Samuel
    That sounds more like 'tenuous family link to David' than 'born of David's line'.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,080
    kle4 said:

    Has Boris Johnson resigned or been defenestrated yet?

    No but will be by the 31st May (IMHO)
    That'd leave him a week shy of Gordon Brown's tenure. I'm sure he can hold on at least that little bit longer (though the period of a leadership contested for a start).
    However, in order to beat May, he has to hang on for another three months or so.

    Given the need for some sort of election process (though will he leaves on disgrace, will it be more "don't let the door slam on that muscly bottom as you go"?), BoJo's twilight might see him past that milestone.

    Though if he doesn't, at least two people will find it really funny. And one of those two people doesn't live in Maidenhead.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,080

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    I wonder what his chat up lines would be if he were on the pull..
    "Would you like to put your lips around some original Wedgwood?"

    Nicked from Tony Benn, I'd like to imagine.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    kle4 said:

    Watched The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1 this evening, and the wife and I couldn't help but notice a large number of parallels with the war in Ukraine. I almost expected Jennifer Lawrence to finish one of her defiant speeches with "Slava Ukraini!"

    The antagonists in those movies certainly collapsed very easily, it's strength clearly illusionary, so hopefully that part will also be paralleled.
    Preferably without the Ukrainians resorting to what the rebels used to hasten the end of the war (at least in the book, I've not see the films).
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    Nigelb said:

    "We'll reap the whirlwind on polling day", Steve Baker tells Telegraph tonight.

    What I don’t understand, the War in Ukraine is still the same war that blanketed our Print and TV media for a month, in fact it’s even more newsworthy now imo reporting has moved from speculating what was happening unseen, to the detail of hideous crimes of the Russian invasion, but all this Partygate and Boris under pressure stuff is getting all over the news again, as if our media is losing interest in the war. Why can’t media narratives stick to the weightier more important things, and show more balance in their reporting?

    It’s like the old mainstream media feel they can decide for us what the main media narrative actually is?
    Quick look at the BBC and Guardian front pages show Ukraine leading, so I’m not sure what your point is - are we allowed only one thing in the news at once ?
    (That’s Boris’s line.)
    MoonRabbit deflects, defends, and bemoans the media whenever the Conservatives are in difficulty.
    And still wants us to believe she's a Lib Dem.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,557
    https://mobile.twitter.com/andersostlund/status/1517405802428080129
    Does the German government really want Ukraine to win the war?
    The debate in Germany has now reached the level where the government is questioned about whether it supports Ukraine or Russia.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 5,997
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
    That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,074
    I see we're back to theology. Again.

    No @BlancheLivermore-style travel / food pics alas.

    So here's one of the view from Corney Fell.



    Oh and @Roger - Of all the cities in Italy, Milan is one of the most boring. Practically German in its dullness. Go South for real joie de vivre!
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
    That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
    Even the conservative John Prescott had a bit of fun whilst in Government. A sticky episode for him admittedly..or her? One or the other.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Your beliefs do not equate to “all the statistics show”.
    Big_G is right, I think.
    Children of parents who are single or cohabit are twice as likely not to graduate from high school according to a US study

    https://www.bbc.com/news/education-47057787
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 47,786
    kyf_100 said:

    kle4 said:

    Gotta say not really feeling the heat in the latest round of BigG vs HYUFD. Yes, traditional views about sanctity of marriage is not my thing at all, whatever works for a family I say (or even, dare I say, alone), but it's not like the term bastard was being thrown around or anything.

    Has anyone ever thrown the word "bastard" around quite like Sean Bean?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE8d-uGmIWk
    How about Diana Rigg in Mother Love?

    "Vesey's whores and Vesey's bastards."
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,709

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
    That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
    Even the conservative John Prescott had a bit of fun whilst in Government. A sticky episode for him admittedly..or her? One or the other.
    Prescott is a Socialist not a Conservative
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
    That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
    Even the conservative John Prescott had a bit of fun whilst in Government. A sticky episode for him admittedly..or her? One or the other.
    Prescott is a Socialist not a Conservative
    Yes. Yes. I know that HY. I was proving your point a little "extra curricular" activity is not the preserve of conservatives. Or Conservatives,
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
    That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
    Republicans twice as likely as Democrats: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/19/ashley-madison-democrats-less-inclined-cheat-spouses-republicans

    This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    edited April 2022
    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
    That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
    Republicans twice as likely as Democrats: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/19/ashley-madison-democrats-less-inclined-cheat-spouses-republicans

    This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
    Great. How may Republican Presidents have been caught having a blowey in the Oval Office?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 46,206
    Tennessee is a fucking hoot

    Never knew there was a little corner of it - Franklin, with Leiper’s Fork - which is one of the richest places in the USA. Justin Timberlake lives here



  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775
    edited April 2022
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Your beliefs do not equate to “all the statistics show”.
    Big_G is right, I think.
    Children of parents who are single or cohabit are twice as likely not to graduate from high school according to a US study

    https://www.bbc.com/news/education-47057787
    I think we need a directory of PB errors to save time in future.

    Today, your error code is "1":

    1. Correlation does not imply causation. You probably need to grasp the concept of "confounding variables".
    2. Cherry picking means you lose. No exceptions.
    3. Trends don't continue forever. Just because the sensible party are up 2 percentage points this week, doesn't mean they'll be up 4 next week.
    4. Some things are only visible in aggregate. A hot day in winter doesn't mean winter is fake news.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 61,557
    .
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
    If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.

    You throwing out abuse will not change that
    Your beliefs do not equate to “all the statistics show”.
    Big_G is right, I think.
    Children of parents who are single or cohabit are twice as likely not to graduate from high school according to a US study

    https://www.bbc.com/news/education-47057787
    … Because the study had recruited in big cities, many of the parents had lower incomes or levels of education and a high proportion were black or Hispanic American.
    This was important because of the challenges these fathers face with the police and justice systems, with about 40% of the unmarried fathers spending some time in prison.…


    Show me a study which compares stable two parent families with the only differentiator being whether or not they are married.
    Preferably a UK study, since that’s where we live.

    You can’t.

    Your original claim was, as Big_G said, simply rubbish.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
    That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
    Republicans twice as likely as Democrats: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/19/ashley-madison-democrats-less-inclined-cheat-spouses-republicans

    This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
    Great. How may Republican Presidents have been caught having a blowey in the Oval Office?
    Caught? None that I know of.
    So glad we had this chat.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
    That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
    Republicans twice as likely as Democrats: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/19/ashley-madison-democrats-less-inclined-cheat-spouses-republicans

    This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
    Great. How may Republican Presidents have been caught having a blowey in the Oval Office?
    Caught? None that I know of.
    So glad we had this chat.
    Me too. There's one Democrat. So......
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
    That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
    Republicans twice as likely as Democrats: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/19/ashley-madison-democrats-less-inclined-cheat-spouses-republicans

    This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
    Great. How may Republican Presidents have been caught having a blowey in the Oval Office?
    Caught? None that I know of.
    So glad we had this chat.
    Me too. There's one Democrat. So......
    Your error code is "4"

    1. Correlation does not imply causation. You probably need to grasp the concept of "confounding variables".
    2. Cherry picking means you lose. No exceptions.
    3. Trends don't continue forever. Just because the sensible party are up 2 percentage points this week, doesn't mean they'll be up 4 next week.
    4. Some things are only visible in aggregate. A hot day in winter doesn't mean winter is fake news.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 6,760
    mwadams said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    I know - my comment was aimed more at the PB pontificators sitting at home who think civil servants should be back in the office. But that would be discourteous, so I chose JRM as the target.
    JRM's been very busy, I'll have you know:

    image
    It is a breathtaking example of petty, juvenile, bullying. I hope the civil service union is all over it
    It’s not bullying. It’s reasonable (if wrongheaded) for a boss to want his team in the office. His chosen medium is passive aggressive bullshit and reflects badly on him, but it’s not bullying
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
    That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
    Republicans twice as likely as Democrats: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/19/ashley-madison-democrats-less-inclined-cheat-spouses-republicans

    This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
    Great. How may Republican Presidents have been caught having a blowey in the Oval Office?
    Caught? None that I know of.
    So glad we had this chat.
    Me too. There's one Democrat. So......
    Your error code is "4"

    1. Correlation does not imply causation. You probably need to grasp the concept of "confounding variables".
    2. Cherry picking means you lose. No exceptions.
    3. Trends don't continue forever. Just because the sensible party are up 2 percentage points this week, doesn't mean they'll be up 4 next week.
    4. Some things are only visible in aggregate. A hot day in winter doesn't mean winter is fake news.
    Oh you're far too clever. Shame you don't turn your marvellous little 4-point plan on your own arguments.
  • FarooqFarooq Posts: 10,775

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
    That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
    Republicans twice as likely as Democrats: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/19/ashley-madison-democrats-less-inclined-cheat-spouses-republicans

    This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
    Great. How may Republican Presidents have been caught having a blowey in the Oval Office?
    Caught? None that I know of.
    So glad we had this chat.
    Me too. There's one Democrat. So......
    Your error code is "4"

    1. Correlation does not imply causation. You probably need to grasp the concept of "confounding variables".
    2. Cherry picking means you lose. No exceptions.
    3. Trends don't continue forever. Just because the sensible party are up 2 percentage points this week, doesn't mean they'll be up 4 next week.
    4. Some things are only visible in aggregate. A hot day in winter doesn't mean winter is fake news.
    Oh you're far too clever. Shame you don't turn your marvellous little 4-point plan on your own arguments.
    Your error code is "5"

    1. Correlation does not imply causation. You probably need to grasp the concept of "confounding variables".
    2. Cherry picking means you lose. No exceptions.
    3. Trends don't continue forever. Just because the sensible party are up 2 percentage points this week, doesn't mean they'll be up 4 next week.
    4. Some things are only visible in aggregate. A hot day in winter doesn't mean winter is fake news.
    5. Imagined hypocrisy is useless. Find real examples or fuck off.
  • ozymandiasozymandias Posts: 1,503
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.

    For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.

    JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
    Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
    Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
    How would we ever know?
    Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
    What a shocking comment

    Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later

    You are a narrow minded bigot
    What was shocking about it.

    Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.

    However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss

    How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
    Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.

    As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
    Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.

    Not really very conservative are you?
    That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
    Republicans twice as likely as Democrats: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/jul/19/ashley-madison-democrats-less-inclined-cheat-spouses-republicans

    This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
    Great. How may Republican Presidents have been caught having a blowey in the Oval Office?
    Caught? None that I know of.
    So glad we had this chat.
    Me too. There's one Democrat. So......
    Your error code is "4"

    1. Correlation does not imply causation. You probably need to grasp the concept of "confounding variables".
    2. Cherry picking means you lose. No exceptions.
    3. Trends don't continue forever. Just because the sensible party are up 2 percentage points this week, doesn't mean they'll be up 4 next week.
    4. Some things are only visible in aggregate. A hot day in winter doesn't mean winter is fake news.
    Oh you're far too clever. Shame you don't turn your marvellous little 4-point plan on your own arguments.
    Your error code is "5"

    1. Correlation does not imply causation. You probably need to grasp the concept of "confounding variables".
    2. Cherry picking means you lose. No exceptions.
    3. Trends don't continue forever. Just because the sensible party are up 2 percentage points this week, doesn't mean they'll be up 4 next week.
    4. Some things are only visible in aggregate. A hot day in winter doesn't mean winter is fake news.
    5. Imagined hypocrisy is useless. Find real examples or fuck off.
    In other words your point 5 means you're talking bullshit but you can't work out how to express it.

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