JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married
It is, that is not abusing them it is just supporting the institution of marriage and the traditional family
Unlike the header I am not calling the French election already. Still more than enough unknowns about what undecideds will do in my opinion. Unlike the header I think for months there’s been more than enough evidence the final poll was not a foregone conclusion. Why? Because many of the undecideds in this French election can be very similar of mind to the poorer people who feel they didn’t have much to fear from change when deciding the Brexit election, similarly putting Trump into Presidency by handing him democrat rust belt states.
Let’s deal with some facts we have learnt. Channel 4 news tonight vox popped young black ladies who are voting for Le Pen. I’m young, white and right of any political centre, but I can’t ever imagine voting for Le Pen. But then C4 news voxpopped the very place yellow jacket revolt started in protest at Macrons fuel tax. So what we learnt in this election is not so much an answer, but a question - how many Frances are there?
I don’t have post vote analysis from this coming Sundays vote in front of me, but If I say now it will show a divided Nation, not so much left/right but rich/poor, town/country, remain in EU/leave EU, happy to bear costs from sanctions on Russia/not so keen too. And many many other divides as well. Would I be wrong next week to predict that this evening?
And, IF Macron wins, so has full term of office, I would say he is a winner. But if Le Pen makes progress from 33% to 45% 46%, with left votes, with young black ladies voting for her to confirm the makeover is a success, Le Pen will feel very much like a winner too. So am I wrong to predict their will be two winners on Sunday?
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married
It is, that is not abusing them it is just supporting the institution of marriage and the traditional family
You are maligning unmarried couples across the land due to your religious bigotry
Gotta say not really feeling the heat in the latest round of BigG vs HYUFD. Yes, traditional views about sanctity of marriage is not my thing at all, whatever works for a family I say (or even, dare I say, alone), but it's not like the term bastard was being thrown around or anything.
Home Office staff have threatened a mutiny over Priti Patel’s plans to ship refugees to Rwanda, with one drawing comparisons to working for the Third Reich, it has emerged.
Home Office staff should do as they're told and paid for.
Hopefully the Home Office is moved to Rwanda next; they'd probably do a better job.
They can team up with the Danes. Those well-known right-wing extremists.
You mean you expect the British Government to announce it will ship people to Rwanda, and then not actually do it?
The British Government hasn't done anything with this idea yet. Much like the Danes.
Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though.
OK, so: thought experiment. Late January 1942, you get shown accurate and detailed minutes of the Wannsee Conference.
"The Nazis haven't done anything with this idea yet.
Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though."
Adequate response?
So you're comparing the proposed processing of asylum seekers in Rwanda to the Holocaust. Well once again you show yourself to be thoroughly level-headed and completely sane.
Up front I am not condoning Ishmeals use of The Holocaust as comparator, Its too insensitive to use The Holocaust like that. but let me explain to you my position on this Ozy. Because my position on Rwanda plan is the wisest and I urge you to back me.
In practice it needs to act as as deterrent, reduce, dramatically the amount of boat people heading illegally across channel to UK. Not a shred of evidence can be produced to show it will work.
So why are the Tories doing it? Because their record on this is abysmal, leaving them with no other political option but to try to divert attention away from an abysmal record. The Tories have been in since 2010. Boris and Patel in their posts two and half years, and their record on reducing crossings and battling the gangs and working with continental friends on this issue abysmal.
Secondly Here’s the kicker, The Tories have no plan to send migrants to Rwanda. The government does. If Boris and Patel fall out their jobs in next few months, the new Tory government I guarantee you 100% will drop this plan. Whatever part it plays on the Leadership hustings will be to help the losers lose. Why? How do I know this? Because in this weeks commons debate I watched live Patel gave us two massive take outs. Firstly UK government can never publish any finer details or costs because it will aid the criminal gangs. Secondly, women and children WILL be considered, but each case taken on its own merits.
Patel barely has 50% of her parliamentary party supporting this, because they havn’t seen a detail plan, so they fear it will be expensive, over administrative, many controversial bad headlines causing Tory Party reputation damage, and won’t ever work as much deterrent so a poor use of tax payers money. They also know it’s only suggested to cover up government failure to deal with this properly via cooperation with continental partners in crushing the gangs.
Thanks Moon. Let me start by saying I actually agree with you. And thank you for a reasoned and clear point of debate, This is indeed clearly a deterrent, and as with all deterrents it's only proven to be work when it does. (and "proving" a deterrent works is nigh on impossible).
The Tories are throwing a lot of shit at the wall on this as it's natural red-meat territory to get the (majority) British publics juices flowing. It won't work and yes, the plan will come to nothing and be dropped. We all know this. At least those of us with any rational and reasoned thought.
What I cannot abide is the lazy, knee-jerk silly criticisms of the usual "evil tory" crowd on issues like this. Hence why the Holocaust analogy is not just absurd, but plain down-right stupid (and borderline offensive). And it demonstrates a complete lack of both reason and power to rationally debate serious issues.
What's the answer? Christ knows - which is what, I'm sure, every government in the Western world is saying on this issue right now - as we, in the "West" all have the same problem. Hysterical and highly partisan posts merely decrying any proposed solution is not the answer. This policy, although highly flawed and impracticable is not an exclusive "evil Tory" solution.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
I know - my comment was aimed more at the PB pontificators sitting at home who think civil servants should be back in the office. But that would be discourteous, so I chose JRM as the target.
JRM's been very busy, I'll have you know:
He might, perhaps, be able to connect the dots as to his presence and everyone wanting to be elsewhere?
And since when do we put a dot in MP?
I knew someone at university who insisted that acronyms that were pronounced as words should be all capitals, like NATO - and ones pronounced as initials should have dots, like N.U.S.
Strange chap.
What I find annoying is people who pronounce the initials for something when everyone else says it as a word.
GIIGNL being a case in point. One person would never say Gignil. Spelt it out. Every time.
TBF GIIGNL is just pandering to the garlic chewing surrender monkeys. IGLNGI in English.
Watched The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1 this evening, and the wife and I couldn't help but notice a large number of parallels with the war in Ukraine. I almost expected Jennifer Lawrence to finish one of her defiant speeches with "Slava Ukraini!"
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
"We'll reap the whirlwind on polling day", Steve Baker tells Telegraph tonight.
What I don’t understand, the War in Ukraine is still the same war that blanketed our Print and TV media for a month, in fact it’s even more newsworthy now imo reporting has moved from speculating what was happening unseen, to the detail of hideous crimes of the Russian invasion, but all this Partygate and Boris under pressure stuff is getting all over the news again, as if our media is losing interest in the war. Why can’t media narratives stick to the weightier more important things, and show more balance in their reporting?
It’s like the old mainstream media feel they can decide for us what the main media narrative actually is?
How is the 'old' media different than new in that respect?
In any case, it is surely the case that people cannot maintain the same level of emotional intensity permanently, no matter how significant an issue is. It's one thing that means people can get through tragic long term events for a start. As it applies to news we just cannot keep up the same level of interest and focus forever, it was like that with Covid and stories just started washing over us with the same thing day in day out.
I'm pleasantly surprised Ukraine has managed to maintain attention so prominently as long as it has, a testament to their fighting spirit and diplomatic efforts, and that of our politicians and, yes, even media in keeping it to the fore.
I disagree with your reply to my post on the basis the first month of coverage was largely a talking shop, not much to show us, loads of speculation, not much that was news worthy, but this has changed to more we must see, more that is newsworthy but losing out coverage time to much that would have been axed a month ago. I disagree with you because I remain unconvinced this change is driven by demand from readers and viewers losing as you say interest or emotional investment, but in fact decided for us by editors. And the editors, going too much in one direction, then too much the other, are getting it wrong.
Proper news coverage, the worthwhile stuff not the rot to not waste time on Should be based on detail and evidence, not speculation.
Home Office staff have threatened a mutiny over Priti Patel’s plans to ship refugees to Rwanda, with one drawing comparisons to working for the Third Reich, it has emerged.
Home Office staff should do as they're told and paid for.
Hopefully the Home Office is moved to Rwanda next; they'd probably do a better job.
They can team up with the Danes. Those well-known right-wing extremists.
You mean you expect the British Government to announce it will ship people to Rwanda, and then not actually do it?
The British Government hasn't done anything with this idea yet. Much like the Danes.
Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though.
OK, so: thought experiment. Late January 1942, you get shown accurate and detailed minutes of the Wannsee Conference.
"The Nazis haven't done anything with this idea yet.
Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though."
Adequate response?
So you're comparing the proposed processing of asylum seekers in Rwanda to the Holocaust. Well once again you show yourself to be thoroughly level-headed and completely sane.
My point was the more general one that it is possible to condemn a plan beore it has been put into execution.
But yes, on reflection, it is the most flagrant hyperbole to connect an episode of unimaginably horrific genocide, with little old Rwanda. What was I thinking?
I don't know. What are you thinking? Very little it appears.
I suspect that your problem (or rather one of them) is that you have no first hand idea of what the third world is actually like, because you have never been there. What it is, is third world. Really third world. You know the prison in Midnight Express? Same but more so.
The Third World? I assume you mean "developing nations", after all we don't want to use disparaging terminology do we? You assume an awful lot, maybe because you have in your mind the idea that anyone who disagrees with you couldn't possibly have the obvious intellect and experience you do.
Perhaps Rwanda isn't the apparent hell-hole you assume it to be - maybe you've spent time living there recently and barely escaped with your life? Maybe I've lived there for a considerable time and found it a wonderful country. Maybe. But you have no idea do you?
Actually, I do.
You have lived for for a considerable time in a sub Saharan country, you have found it "wonderful" for you, and have seen nothing to suggest that a penniless refugee in a prison would find a bit less wonderfulness in the situation than you?
give over, love. You're embarrassing yourself.
I'm not your love - despite what you may desire.
You're the one embarrassing yourself I'm afraid. As it happens I've been to Rwanda (and Uganda) on more than a couple of occasions - not that I really need to explain that to you. Rwanda is a wonderful country - I enjoyed my stays immensely. It's most likely safer than many areas of London.
I suppose what we're arguing about is whether an asylum seeker from wherever they may come from, seeking refuge from persecution or death, would feel safe in Rwanda. I'm sure they would! After all, they are seeking safety aren't they? Now Rwanda isn't as economically prosperous or as wealthy as the UK. That is granted. But asylum seekers aren't seeking economic advantage are they? They're after safety. Rwanda absolutely gives them that. So where's the problem? Unless you're saying of course that asylum seekers aren't really seeking safety, and that they're seeking economic betterment.
But hey! According to you, Rwanda's the new base of crypto-Nazi death camps sponsored by the UK government. So let's go with that. That makes you feel better and I'm all for that.
Jesus Christ, how stupid are you? You claim to have been to Rwanda; I wouldn't stake my house on that being true, but that's not the point. You are, let me guess, a phat first world whiteboi. You are too stupid to realise that your perception of the safety of the place is connected with that fact, because it seriously doesn't pay in those parts to fuck with phat rich whitebois with embassies and stuff behind them. You seriously don't understand that survival in third world prisons and for that matter hospitals depends on a family network backup.
Very tempted to have a let's say £1000 bet that you have never spent more than 2 consecutive weeks in Rwanda. I note you have come down in 2 posts from " lived there for a considerable time" to "been to on more than a couple of occasions." Wanna retreat further?
And realise this: you think being stupid is morally OK, it's just being stupid. I am afraid that's wrong, there are levels at which it is indistinguishable from evil. Have you any idea what happened in 1994, without googling or phoning a friend? Hur hur hur, fancy thinking Rwanda was ever a neo Nazi hell hole. Hur hur.
Home Office staff have threatened a mutiny over Priti Patel’s plans to ship refugees to Rwanda, with one drawing comparisons to working for the Third Reich, it has emerged.
Home Office staff should do as they're told and paid for.
Hopefully the Home Office is moved to Rwanda next; they'd probably do a better job.
They can team up with the Danes. Those well-known right-wing extremists.
You mean you expect the British Government to announce it will ship people to Rwanda, and then not actually do it?
The British Government hasn't done anything with this idea yet. Much like the Danes.
Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though.
OK, so: thought experiment. Late January 1942, you get shown accurate and detailed minutes of the Wannsee Conference.
"The Nazis haven't done anything with this idea yet.
Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though."
Adequate response?
So you're comparing the proposed processing of asylum seekers in Rwanda to the Holocaust. Well once again you show yourself to be thoroughly level-headed and completely sane.
My point was the more general one that it is possible to condemn a plan beore it has been put into execution.
But yes, on reflection, it is the most flagrant hyperbole to connect an episode of unimaginably horrific genocide, with little old Rwanda. What was I thinking?
I don't know. What are you thinking? Very little it appears.
I suspect that your problem (or rather one of them) is that you have no first hand idea of what the third world is actually like, because you have never been there. What it is, is third world. Really third world. You know the prison in Midnight Express? Same but more so.
The Third World? I assume you mean "developing nations", after all we don't want to use disparaging terminology do we? You assume an awful lot, maybe because you have in your mind the idea that anyone who disagrees with you couldn't possibly have the obvious intellect and experience you do.
Perhaps Rwanda isn't the apparent hell-hole you assume it to be - maybe you've spent time living there recently and barely escaped with your life? Maybe I've lived there for a considerable time and found it a wonderful country. Maybe. But you have no idea do you?
Actually, I do.
You have lived for for a considerable time in a sub Saharan country, you have found it "wonderful" for you, and have seen nothing to suggest that a penniless refugee in a prison would find a bit less wonderfulness in the situation than you?
give over, love. You're embarrassing yourself.
I'm not your love - despite what you may desire.
You're the one embarrassing yourself I'm afraid. As it happens I've been to Rwanda (and Uganda) on more than a couple of occasions - not that I really need to explain that to you. Rwanda is a wonderful country - I enjoyed my stays immensely. It's most likely safer than many areas of London.
I suppose what we're arguing about is whether an asylum seeker from wherever they may come from, seeking refuge from persecution or death, would feel safe in Rwanda. I'm sure they would! After all, they are seeking safety aren't they? Now Rwanda isn't as economically prosperous or as wealthy as the UK. That is granted. But asylum seekers aren't seeking economic advantage are they? They're after safety. Rwanda absolutely gives them that. So where's the problem? Unless you're saying of course that asylum seekers aren't really seeking safety, and that they're seeking economic betterment.
But hey! According to you, Rwanda's the new base of crypto-Nazi death camps sponsored by the UK government. So let's go with that. That makes you feel better and I'm all for that.
Jesus Christ, how stupid are you? You claim to have been to Rwanda; I wouldn't stake my house on that being true, but that's not the point. You are, let me guess, a phat first world whiteboi. You are too stupid to realise that your perception of the safety of the place is connected with that fact, because it seriously doesn't pay in those parts to fuck with phat rich whitebois with embassies and stuff behind them. You seriously don't understand that survival in third world prisons and for that matter hospitals depends on a family network backup.
Very tempted to have a let's say £1000 bet that you have never spent more than 2 consecutive weeks in Rwanda. I note you have come down in 2 posts from " lived there for a considerable time" to "been to on more than a couple of occasions." Wanna retreat further?
And realise this: you think being stupid is morally OK, it's just being stupid. I am afraid that's wrong, there are levels at which it is indistinguishable from evil. Have you any idea what happened in 1994, without googling or phoning a friend? Hur hur hur, fancy thinking Rwanda was ever a neo Nazi hell hole. Hur hur.
You're just an idiot. Best you just go away and watch more episodes of your Avatar - unless you find them too difficult to understand. Which is most likely true.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
On behalf of all unmarried couples in the land who would be insulted by your statement that children are BEST bought up families with married parents
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
I know - my comment was aimed more at the PB pontificators sitting at home who think civil servants should be back in the office. But that would be discourteous, so I chose JRM as the target.
JRM's been very busy, I'll have you know:
He might, perhaps, be able to connect the dots as to his presence and everyone wanting to be elsewhere?
And since when do we put a dot in MP?
I knew someone at university who insisted that acronyms that were pronounced as words should be all capitals, like NATO - and ones pronounced as initials should have dots, like N.U.S.
Strange chap.
What I find annoying is people who pronounce the initials for something when everyone else says it as a word.
GIIGNL being a case in point. One person would never say Gignil. Spelt it out. Every time.
TBF GIIGNL is just pandering to the garlic chewing surrender monkeys. IGLNGI in English.
I'm GIGLING somewhat at this exchange.
That's the kind of remark I would expect from an inhabitant of an OTAN country.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.
As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married
It is, that is not abusing them it is just supporting the institution of marriage and the traditional family
Poor France. A worse choice of leader than Britain had in 2019 or the US had in 2020.
What's he done to offend you? Too right wing?
It's interesting to ponder the root of anti-Macron sentiment over here. If you're left wing it makes sense - the guy is a centre right politician who forces leftist voters to vote for him to keep the far right out. That's annoying. But most of it seems to come from people who are themselves well right of centre in their politics. So I conclude it's not about his politics it's about the man. But what about the man? I'm not sure, and won't pretend to be, but I sense it might have something to do with him being French.
A close friend of mine knows him well (and has negotiated with him extensively on multiple occasions).
“Odious and untrustworthy” was his description.
Ok, but not many people have close friends who have negotiated with Macron extensively on multiple occasions. So that can't really explain it.
(It's not Putin, is it?)
I think most people can figure out odious and untrustworthy from the TV
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married
It is, that is not abusing them it is just supporting the institution of marriage and the traditional family
GOD IS SINGLE - MARRIAGE IS BLASPHEMY!
I thought he got jiggy with da virgin Mary? So premarital seems OK.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
I know - my comment was aimed more at the PB pontificators sitting at home who think civil servants should be back in the office. But that would be discourteous, so I chose JRM as the target.
JRM's been very busy, I'll have you know:
He might, perhaps, be able to connect the dots as to his presence and everyone wanting to be elsewhere?
And since when do we put a dot in MP?
I knew someone at university who insisted that acronyms that were pronounced as words should be all capitals, like NATO - and ones pronounced as initials should have dots, like N.U.S.
Strange chap.
What I find annoying is people who pronounce the initials for something when everyone else says it as a word.
GIIGNL being a case in point. One person would never say Gignil. Spelt it out. Every time.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.
Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.
So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married
It is, that is not abusing them it is just supporting the institution of marriage and the traditional family
GOD IS SINGLE - MARRIAGE IS BLASPHEMY!
I thought he got jiggy with da virgin Mary? So premarital seems OK.
No it was a virgin birth through the Holy Spirit, no sex involved. She then brought up Jesus with her husband Joseph
Home Office staff have threatened a mutiny over Priti Patel’s plans to ship refugees to Rwanda, with one drawing comparisons to working for the Third Reich, it has emerged.
Home Office staff should do as they're told and paid for.
Hopefully the Home Office is moved to Rwanda next; they'd probably do a better job.
They can team up with the Danes. Those well-known right-wing extremists.
You mean you expect the British Government to announce it will ship people to Rwanda, and then not actually do it?
The British Government hasn't done anything with this idea yet. Much like the Danes.
Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though.
OK, so: thought experiment. Late January 1942, you get shown accurate and detailed minutes of the Wannsee Conference.
"The Nazis haven't done anything with this idea yet.
Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though."
Adequate response?
So you're comparing the proposed processing of asylum seekers in Rwanda to the Holocaust. Well once again you show yourself to be thoroughly level-headed and completely sane.
My point was the more general one that it is possible to condemn a plan beore it has been put into execution.
But yes, on reflection, it is the most flagrant hyperbole to connect an episode of unimaginably horrific genocide, with little old Rwanda. What was I thinking?
I don't know. What are you thinking? Very little it appears.
I suspect that your problem (or rather one of them) is that you have no first hand idea of what the third world is actually like, because you have never been there. What it is, is third world. Really third world. You know the prison in Midnight Express? Same but more so.
The Third World? I assume you mean "developing nations", after all we don't want to use disparaging terminology do we? You assume an awful lot, maybe because you have in your mind the idea that anyone who disagrees with you couldn't possibly have the obvious intellect and experience you do.
Perhaps Rwanda isn't the apparent hell-hole you assume it to be - maybe you've spent time living there recently and barely escaped with your life? Maybe I've lived there for a considerable time and found it a wonderful country. Maybe. But you have no idea do you?
Actually, I do.
You have lived for for a considerable time in a sub Saharan country, you have found it "wonderful" for you, and have seen nothing to suggest that a penniless refugee in a prison would find a bit less wonderfulness in the situation than you?
give over, love. You're embarrassing yourself.
I'm not your love - despite what you may desire.
You're the one embarrassing yourself I'm afraid. As it happens I've been to Rwanda (and Uganda) on more than a couple of occasions - not that I really need to explain that to you. Rwanda is a wonderful country - I enjoyed my stays immensely. It's most likely safer than many areas of London.
I suppose what we're arguing about is whether an asylum seeker from wherever they may come from, seeking refuge from persecution or death, would feel safe in Rwanda. I'm sure they would! After all, they are seeking safety aren't they? Now Rwanda isn't as economically prosperous or as wealthy as the UK. That is granted. But asylum seekers aren't seeking economic advantage are they? They're after safety. Rwanda absolutely gives them that. So where's the problem? Unless you're saying of course that asylum seekers aren't really seeking safety, and that they're seeking economic betterment.
But hey! According to you, Rwanda's the new base of crypto-Nazi death camps sponsored by the UK government. So let's go with that. That makes you feel better and I'm all for that.
Jesus Christ, how stupid are you? You claim to have been to Rwanda; I wouldn't stake my house on that being true, but that's not the point. You are, let me guess, a phat first world whiteboi. You are too stupid to realise that your perception of the safety of the place is connected with that fact, because it seriously doesn't pay in those parts to fuck with phat rich whitebois with embassies and stuff behind them. You seriously don't understand that survival in third world prisons and for that matter hospitals depends on a family network backup.
Very tempted to have a let's say £1000 bet that you have never spent more than 2 consecutive weeks in Rwanda. I note you have come down in 2 posts from " lived there for a considerable time" to "been to on more than a couple of occasions." Wanna retreat further?
And realise this: you think being stupid is morally OK, it's just being stupid. I am afraid that's wrong, there are levels at which it is indistinguishable from evil. Have you any idea what happened in 1994, without googling or phoning a friend? Hur hur hur, fancy thinking Rwanda was ever a neo Nazi hell hole. Hur hur.
You're just an idiot. Best you just go away and watch more episodes of your Avatar - unless you find them too difficult to understand. Which is most likely true.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
I wonder what his chat up lines would be if he were on the pull..
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married
What happened to that Labour voter who used to post here with extremely conservative social views - used to deplore fornication outside marriage and so on? Did he just drop out, or was he banned for something?
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.
Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.
So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
Does anyone care if anyone is married these days? I was for 28 years. Didn't make a blind bit of difference to anything really. Technically still am. Also makes no odds.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.
As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married
What happened to that Labour voter who used to post here with extremely conservative social views - used to deplore fornication outside marriage and so on? Did he just drop out, or was he banned for something?
Justin? He was one of the few social conservatives on here and actually more so than me. I think he was banned.
I remember he called Liz Truss 'a trollop' amongst other things but he offered a rare economically left, socially conservative viewpoint. So a pity he went
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married
It is, that is not abusing them it is just supporting the institution of marriage and the traditional family
GOD IS SINGLE - MARRIAGE IS BLASPHEMY!
I thought he got jiggy with da virgin Mary? So premarital seems OK.
No it was a virgin birth through the Holy Spirit, no sex involved. She then brought up Jesus with her husband Joseph
Isn't the whole virgin malarkey down to a mistranslation? Should have just said 'Born of a young woman'?
And anyhow, if Joseph wasn't Jesus's father, then the whole 'born of David's line' thing falls apart.
Does anyone care if anyone is married these days? I was for 28 years. Didn't make a blind bit of difference to anything really. Technically still am. Also makes no odds.
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married
What happened to that Labour voter who used to post here with extremely conservative social views - used to deplore fornication outside marriage and so on? Did he just drop out, or was he banned for something?
He was one of the few social conservatives on here and actually more so than me. I think he was banned.
I remember he called Liz Truss 'a trollop' amongst other things but he offered a rare economically left, socially conservative viewpoint on here. So a pity he went
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married
What happened to that Labour voter who used to post here with extremely conservative social views - used to deplore fornication outside marriage and so on? Did he just drop out, or was he banned for something?
He was one of the few social conservatives on here and actually more so than me. I think he was banned.
I remember he called Liz Truss 'a trollop' amongst other things but he offered a rare economically left, socially conservative viewpoint on here. So a pity he went
Justin.
Socially Conservative is one thing, psychotically bigoted another.
Home Office staff have threatened a mutiny over Priti Patel’s plans to ship refugees to Rwanda, with one drawing comparisons to working for the Third Reich, it has emerged.
Home Office staff should do as they're told and paid for.
Hopefully the Home Office is moved to Rwanda next; they'd probably do a better job.
They can team up with the Danes. Those well-known right-wing extremists.
You mean you expect the British Government to announce it will ship people to Rwanda, and then not actually do it?
The British Government hasn't done anything with this idea yet. Much like the Danes.
Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though.
OK, so: thought experiment. Late January 1942, you get shown accurate and detailed minutes of the Wannsee Conference.
"The Nazis haven't done anything with this idea yet.
Doesn't stop the usual whingeing and thoroughly predictable hand-wringing though."
Adequate response?
So you're comparing the proposed processing of asylum seekers in Rwanda to the Holocaust. Well once again you show yourself to be thoroughly level-headed and completely sane.
My point was the more general one that it is possible to condemn a plan beore it has been put into execution.
But yes, on reflection, it is the most flagrant hyperbole to connect an episode of unimaginably horrific genocide, with little old Rwanda. What was I thinking?
I don't know. What are you thinking? Very little it appears.
I suspect that your problem (or rather one of them) is that you have no first hand idea of what the third world is actually like, because you have never been there. What it is, is third world. Really third world. You know the prison in Midnight Express? Same but more so.
The Third World? I assume you mean "developing nations", after all we don't want to use disparaging terminology do we? You assume an awful lot, maybe because you have in your mind the idea that anyone who disagrees with you couldn't possibly have the obvious intellect and experience you do.
Perhaps Rwanda isn't the apparent hell-hole you assume it to be - maybe you've spent time living there recently and barely escaped with your life? Maybe I've lived there for a considerable time and found it a wonderful country. Maybe. But you have no idea do you?
Actually, I do.
You have lived for for a considerable time in a sub Saharan country, you have found it "wonderful" for you, and have seen nothing to suggest that a penniless refugee in a prison would find a bit less wonderfulness in the situation than you?
give over, love. You're embarrassing yourself.
I'm not your love - despite what you may desire.
You're the one embarrassing yourself I'm afraid. As it happens I've been to Rwanda (and Uganda) on more than a couple of occasions - not that I really need to explain that to you. Rwanda is a wonderful country - I enjoyed my stays immensely. It's most likely safer than many areas of London.
I suppose what we're arguing about is whether an asylum seeker from wherever they may come from, seeking refuge from persecution or death, would feel safe in Rwanda. I'm sure they would! After all, they are seeking safety aren't they? Now Rwanda isn't as economically prosperous or as wealthy as the UK. That is granted. But asylum seekers aren't seeking economic advantage are they? They're after safety. Rwanda absolutely gives them that. So where's the problem? Unless you're saying of course that asylum seekers aren't really seeking safety, and that they're seeking economic betterment.
But hey! According to you, Rwanda's the new base of crypto-Nazi death camps sponsored by the UK government. So let's go with that. That makes you feel better and I'm all for that.
Jesus Christ, how stupid are you? You claim to have been to Rwanda; I wouldn't stake my house on that being true, but that's not the point. You are, let me guess, a phat first world whiteboi. You are too stupid to realise that your perception of the safety of the place is connected with that fact, because it seriously doesn't pay in those parts to fuck with phat rich whitebois with embassies and stuff behind them. You seriously don't understand that survival in third world prisons and for that matter hospitals depends on a family network backup.
Very tempted to have a let's say £1000 bet that you have never spent more than 2 consecutive weeks in Rwanda. I note you have come down in 2 posts from " lived there for a considerable time" to "been to on more than a couple of occasions." Wanna retreat further?
And realise this: you think being stupid is morally OK, it's just being stupid. I am afraid that's wrong, there are levels at which it is indistinguishable from evil. Have you any idea what happened in 1994, without googling or phoning a friend? Hur hur hur, fancy thinking Rwanda was ever a neo Nazi hell hole. Hur hur.
You're just an idiot. Best you just go away and watch more episodes of your Avatar - unless you find them too difficult to understand. Which is most likely true.
Yeah
Easy £1000 you are passing up there.
Unless of course....
If I had any inclination you were anything more than a keyboard warrior I'd take you up on that. But you're not. You're just an imbecile.
You're safer sticking to Peppa. She uses words in a way you can understand. Well. In most episodes. Some episodes probably confuse you immensely. Remember. Not everything is comparable to the Holocaust! (even Tories!).
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married
What happened to that Labour voter who used to post here with extremely conservative social views - used to deplore fornication outside marriage and so on? Did he just drop out, or was he banned for something?
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.
Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.
So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
If the Tories are not keen on abortion why have they introduced the two child limit on benefits, which is designed to encourage abortion?
Does anyone care if anyone is married these days? I was for 28 years. Didn't make a blind bit of difference to anything really. Technically still am. Also makes no odds.
Certainly the thinking around marriage nowadays is a bit different to previously. There's a story from the Channel 4 "reality" show "Married At First Sight" which is interesting about this.
Originally, the show legally married strangers on first sight - most of whom then went on to have their marriages annulled or divorced. However, in the last series they only had a pretendy service which wasn't a legal wedding, which resulted in the weird spectacle of one of the "husbands" proposing to his "wife" at the end of the series when they decided to stay together. This couple had been planning to marry this year, but since the bride-to-be (or bride-who-was) is now pregnant, they've decided to delay the wedding until next year. So clearly the whole thing is treated very differently to in the past.
Personally I think that if marriage didn't exist we'd probably create something pretty similar. It's a way of nominating someone you are in a relationship with to the government, so that you each have a series of legal rights and protections - that feels like a useful practical step for unrelated people in a long-term relationship. And then why not have a big party for your friends and family to mark the occasion of realising that you are in such a long-term relationship with another person that you felt it worthwhile to tell the government about it?
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.
Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.
So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
Got to give you that. The Conservatives are so pro-marriage that they extended it to same-sex couples.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.
Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.
So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
Boris Johnson is a big fan of the family. That's why he has so many of them.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
I wonder what his chat up lines would be if he were on the pull..
"Would you like to put your lips around some original Wedgwood?"
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married
It is, that is not abusing them it is just supporting the institution of marriage and the traditional family
GOD IS SINGLE - MARRIAGE IS BLASPHEMY!
I thought he got jiggy with da virgin Mary? So premarital seems OK.
No it was a virgin birth through the Holy Spirit, no sex involved. She then brought up Jesus with her husband Joseph
Isn't the whole virgin malarkey down to a mistranslation? Should have just said 'Born of a young woman'?
And anyhow, if Joseph wasn't Jesus's father, then the whole 'born of David's line' thing falls apart.
Theology, eh? Much simpler for us atheists.
Mary also had an ancestor, Nathan, who was David's son.
Plus Jesus was also of Messiah by prophetic appointment as David was King by prophetic appointment via Samuel
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.
Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.
So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
If the Tories are not keen on abortion why have they introduced the two child limit on benefits, which is designed to encourage abortion?
I don't think that was exactly what it was designed *for* - arguably it may be an unintended consequence. Though probably very marginal indeed.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.
Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.
So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
Got to give you that. The Conservatives are so pro-marriage that they extended it to same-sex couples.
I am not anti gay marriage either, homosexuals should enjoy the benefits of marriage too. Although I would not impose it on churches without a priest's consent
INDEPENDENCE, Ohio — He was lagging in the polls. His cash was running low. With the state’s primary fast approaching, J.D. Vance’s chances of winning the Ohio GOP Senate nomination didn’t look promising.
But his fortunes have changed dramatically in just the last week since Donald Trump delivered his endorsement, an intervention that has upended one of the most contentious Republican primaries in the nation.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.
Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.
So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
If the Tories are not keen on abortion why have they introduced the two child limit on benefits, which is designed to encourage abortion?
No it is designed to stop people having more children on the state than they can afford. If they want more they should work more to pay for them.
Only a few weeks ago most Tory MPs voted against DIY abortion, most Labour and LD MPs for it
Does anyone care if anyone is married these days? I was for 28 years. Didn't make a blind bit of difference to anything really. Technically still am. Also makes no odds.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.
Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.
So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
If the Tories are not keen on abortion why have they introduced the two child limit on benefits, which is designed to encourage abortion?
I don't think that was exactly what it was designed *for* - arguably it may be an unintended consequence. Though probably very marginal indeed.
Hardly an unintended consequence. It is explicitly designed to stop poor people having more than two children by making the third child unaffordable. If the family has an unexpected pregnancy the policy is designed to encourage them to have a termination. That's a feature, not a bug.
"We'll reap the whirlwind on polling day", Steve Baker tells Telegraph tonight.
What I don’t understand, the War in Ukraine is still the same war that blanketed our Print and TV media for a month, in fact it’s even more newsworthy now imo reporting has moved from speculating what was happening unseen, to the detail of hideous crimes of the Russian invasion, but all this Partygate and Boris under pressure stuff is getting all over the news again, as if our media is losing interest in the war. Why can’t media narratives stick to the weightier more important things, and show more balance in their reporting?
It’s like the old mainstream media feel they can decide for us what the main media narrative actually is?
Quick look at the BBC and Guardian front pages show Ukraine leading, so I’m not sure what your point is - are we allowed only one thing in the news at once ? (That’s Boris’s line.)
Gotta say not really feeling the heat in the latest round of BigG vs HYUFD. Yes, traditional views about sanctity of marriage is not my thing at all, whatever works for a family I say (or even, dare I say, alone), but it's not like the term bastard was being thrown around or anything.
Has anyone ever thrown the word "bastard" around quite like Sean Bean?
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.
Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.
So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
If the Tories are not keen on abortion why have they introduced the two child limit on benefits, which is designed to encourage abortion?
No it is designed to stop people having more children on the state than they can afford. If they want more they should work more to pay for them.
Only a few weeks ago most Tory MPs voted against DIY abortion, most Labour and LD MPs for it
No it is a policy designed to encourage poor people who become pregnant by accident to have a termination, by making the third child unaffordable.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Your beliefs do not equate to “all the statistics show”. Big_G is right, I think.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Does your party leader believe in the traditional family?
If you read the comment it was more directed against Boris on that issue than anything and in favour of Rees Mogg. Before BigG got the hump and took offence on behalf of his son and partner
Well it's just that if the traditional family is important to you, there are several other parties whose leaders are role models.
Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.
So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
Policy is also important and on that the Conservatives tend to be the most pro marriage and the least pro abortion
The God YOU worship is the world's most prolific abortionist - He just calls it "miscarriage".
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is a traditionalist and they tend to believe that usually the place to work is not at home, and that there should be a distinction between home life and work life. It's a valid point of view in my opinion.
Does anyone care if anyone is married these days? I was for 28 years. Didn't make a blind bit of difference to anything really. Technically still am. Also makes no odds.
God cares.
So, nobody then.
Do the Father and/or the Son have bodies? I’m pretty sure the Holy Ghost doesn’t..
Does anyone care if anyone is married these days? I was for 28 years. Didn't make a blind bit of difference to anything really. Technically still am. Also makes no odds.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
It is you who is throwing out the abuse to the thousands of unmarried couples in loving relationships by suggesting it is best if they are married
It is, that is not abusing them it is just supporting the institution of marriage and the traditional family
GOD IS SINGLE - MARRIAGE IS BLASPHEMY!
I thought he got jiggy with da virgin Mary? So premarital seems OK.
No it was a virgin birth through the Holy Spirit, no sex involved. She then brought up Jesus with her husband Joseph
Isn't the whole virgin malarkey down to a mistranslation? Should have just said 'Born of a young woman'?
And anyhow, if Joseph wasn't Jesus's father, then the whole 'born of David's line' thing falls apart.
Theology, eh? Much simpler for us atheists.
Mary also had an ancestor, Nathan, who was David's son.
Plus Jesus was also of Messiah by prophetic appointment as David was King by prophetic appointment via Samuel
That sounds more like 'tenuous family link to David' than 'born of David's line'.
Has Boris Johnson resigned or been defenestrated yet?
No but will be by the 31st May (IMHO)
That'd leave him a week shy of Gordon Brown's tenure. I'm sure he can hold on at least that little bit longer (though the period of a leadership contested for a start).
However, in order to beat May, he has to hang on for another three months or so.
Given the need for some sort of election process (though will he leaves on disgrace, will it be more "don't let the door slam on that muscly bottom as you go"?), BoJo's twilight might see him past that milestone.
Though if he doesn't, at least two people will find it really funny. And one of those two people doesn't live in Maidenhead.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
I wonder what his chat up lines would be if he were on the pull..
"Would you like to put your lips around some original Wedgwood?"
Watched The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1 this evening, and the wife and I couldn't help but notice a large number of parallels with the war in Ukraine. I almost expected Jennifer Lawrence to finish one of her defiant speeches with "Slava Ukraini!"
The antagonists in those movies certainly collapsed very easily, it's strength clearly illusionary, so hopefully that part will also be paralleled.
Preferably without the Ukrainians resorting to what the rebels used to hasten the end of the war (at least in the book, I've not see the films).
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.
As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.
As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.
Not really very conservative are you?
That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.
As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.
Not really very conservative are you?
That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
Even the conservative John Prescott had a bit of fun whilst in Government. A sticky episode for him admittedly..or her? One or the other.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Your beliefs do not equate to “all the statistics show”. Big_G is right, I think.
Children of parents who are single or cohabit are twice as likely not to graduate from high school according to a US study
Gotta say not really feeling the heat in the latest round of BigG vs HYUFD. Yes, traditional views about sanctity of marriage is not my thing at all, whatever works for a family I say (or even, dare I say, alone), but it's not like the term bastard was being thrown around or anything.
Has anyone ever thrown the word "bastard" around quite like Sean Bean?
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.
As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.
Not really very conservative are you?
That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
Even the conservative John Prescott had a bit of fun whilst in Government. A sticky episode for him admittedly..or her? One or the other.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.
As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.
Not really very conservative are you?
That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
Even the conservative John Prescott had a bit of fun whilst in Government. A sticky episode for him admittedly..or her? One or the other.
Prescott is a Socialist not a Conservative
Yes. Yes. I know that HY. I was proving your point a little "extra curricular" activity is not the preserve of conservatives. Or Conservatives,
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.
As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.
Not really very conservative are you?
That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
Great. How may Republican Presidents have been caught having a blowey in the Oval Office?
Never knew there was a little corner of it - Franklin, with Leiper’s Fork - which is one of the richest places in the USA. Justin Timberlake lives here
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Your beliefs do not equate to “all the statistics show”. Big_G is right, I think.
Children of parents who are single or cohabit are twice as likely not to graduate from high school according to a US study
… Because the study had recruited in big cities, many of the parents had lower incomes or levels of education and a high proportion were black or Hispanic American. This was important because of the challenges these fathers face with the police and justice systems, with about 40% of the unmarried fathers spending some time in prison.…
Show me a study which compares stable two parent families with the only differentiator being whether or not they are married. Preferably a UK study, since that’s where we live.
You can’t.
Your original claim was, as Big_G said, simply rubbish.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.
As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.
Not really very conservative are you?
That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
Great. How may Republican Presidents have been caught having a blowey in the Oval Office?
Caught? None that I know of. So glad we had this chat.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
I know - my comment was aimed more at the PB pontificators sitting at home who think civil servants should be back in the office. But that would be discourteous, so I chose JRM as the target.
JRM's been very busy, I'll have you know:
It is a breathtaking example of petty, juvenile, bullying. I hope the civil service union is all over it
It’s not bullying. It’s reasonable (if wrongheaded) for a boss to want his team in the office. His chosen medium is passive aggressive bullshit and reflects badly on him, but it’s not bullying
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.
As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.
Not really very conservative are you?
That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
Great. How may Republican Presidents have been caught having a blowey in the Oval Office?
Caught? None that I know of. So glad we had this chat.
Me too. There's one Democrat. So......
Your error code is "4"
1. Correlation does not imply causation. You probably need to grasp the concept of "confounding variables". 2. Cherry picking means you lose. No exceptions. 3. Trends don't continue forever. Just because the sensible party are up 2 percentage points this week, doesn't mean they'll be up 4 next week. 4. Some things are only visible in aggregate. A hot day in winter doesn't mean winter is fake news.
Oh you're far too clever. Shame you don't turn your marvellous little 4-point plan on your own arguments.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.
As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.
Not really very conservative are you?
That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
Great. How may Republican Presidents have been caught having a blowey in the Oval Office?
Caught? None that I know of. So glad we had this chat.
Me too. There's one Democrat. So......
Your error code is "4"
1. Correlation does not imply causation. You probably need to grasp the concept of "confounding variables". 2. Cherry picking means you lose. No exceptions. 3. Trends don't continue forever. Just because the sensible party are up 2 percentage points this week, doesn't mean they'll be up 4 next week. 4. Some things are only visible in aggregate. A hot day in winter doesn't mean winter is fake news.
Oh you're far too clever. Shame you don't turn your marvellous little 4-point plan on your own arguments.
Your error code is "5"
1. Correlation does not imply causation. You probably need to grasp the concept of "confounding variables". 2. Cherry picking means you lose. No exceptions. 3. Trends don't continue forever. Just because the sensible party are up 2 percentage points this week, doesn't mean they'll be up 4 next week. 4. Some things are only visible in aggregate. A hot day in winter doesn't mean winter is fake news. 5. Imagined hypocrisy is useless. Find real examples or fuck off.
In other words your point 5 means you're talking bullshit but you can't work out how to express it.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Your beliefs do not equate to “all the statistics show”. Big_G is right, I think.
Children of parents who are single or cohabit are twice as likely not to graduate from high school according to a US study
… Because the study had recruited in big cities, many of the parents had lower incomes or levels of education and a high proportion were black or Hispanic American. This was important because of the challenges these fathers face with the police and justice systems, with about 40% of the unmarried fathers spending some time in prison.…
Show me a study which compares stable two parent families with the only differentiator being whether or not they are married. Preferably a UK study, since that’s where we live.
You can’t.
Your original claim was, as Big_G said, simply rubbish.
'All else equal, children raised in stable families are healthier, better educated, and more likely to avoid poverty than those who experience transitions in family structure."
'Married parents are more likely to stay together than cohabiting ones. In fact, two-thirds of cohabiting parents split up before their child reaches age 12, compared with one quarter of married parents'. Also offering children greater stability.'
My original claim stands absolutely, not just on education outcomes. Despite your and BigG's ideological liberalism and non conservatism
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.
As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.
Not really very conservative are you?
That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
It also showed Libertarian Party supporters had more affairs than Republicans and Green voters also cheated a lot.
There are certainly far more traditional social conservative voters than libertarians
Never knew there was a little corner of it - Franklin, with Leiper’s Fork - which is one of the richest places in the USA. Justin Timberlake lives here
If you’re relying on younger people to turn out to vote then it’s an uphill struggle . Brexit won because older voters were more more anti EU . The situation is reversed in France with older people more pro EU and anti Le Pen .
Overall France is still clearly pro EU and Le Pen would have tanked if her platform was Frexit . She’s done her best to hide her hatred of the EU but it came to the fore many times during the debate .
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Your beliefs do not equate to “all the statistics show”. Big_G is right, I think.
Children of parents who are single or cohabit are twice as likely not to graduate from high school according to a US study
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Your beliefs do not equate to “all the statistics show”. Big_G is right, I think.
Children of parents who are single or cohabit are twice as likely not to graduate from high school according to a US study
… Because the study had recruited in big cities, many of the parents had lower incomes or levels of education and a high proportion were black or Hispanic American. This was important because of the challenges these fathers face with the police and justice systems, with about 40% of the unmarried fathers spending some time in prison.…
Show me a study which compares stable two parent families with the only differentiator being whether or not they are married. Preferably a UK study, since that’s where we live.
You can’t.
Your original claim was, as Big_G said, simply rubbish.
'All else equal, children raised in stable families are healthier, better educated, and more likely to avoid poverty than those who experience transitions in family structure."
'Married parents are more likely to stay together than cohabiting ones. In fact, two-thirds of cohabiting parents split up before their child reaches age 12, compared with one quarter of married parents'. Also offering children greater stability.'
My original claim stands absolutely, not just on education outcomes. Despite your and BigG's ideological liberalism and non conservatism
"Promoting marriage will not necessarily promote stability, though, even if such promotion is possible. Previous efforts at marriage promotion have been largely unsuccessful" Oh dear, HYUFD
"Higher tax credits and higher minimum wages would boost incomes among cohabiting and single-parent homes." Socialism!
"Most importantly, reducing rates of unintended pregnancies and births would ensure that more parents were prepared for the responsibilities and rigors of parenthood." Pro-abortion
"The policy priority here is to improve access to and use of contraception" You're off to Catholic Hell
Not necessarily not won't. A Conservative Party's duty is to promote marriage.
What they suggest leftwing parties do to increase incomes of non married couples is separate to what Conservatives should be doing to increase incomes of married couples.
Marriage reduces rates of unintended pregnancies without abortion.
I am not Catholic, I am not necessarily opposed to contraception.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.
As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.
Not really very conservative are you?
That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
It also showed Libertarian Party supporters had more affairs than Republicans and Green voters also cheated a lot.
There are certainly far more traditional social conservative voters than libertarians
Which is why Ashley Madison was so very, very busy!
Less than 1% of Americans were users of Ashley Madison on that survey, so the vast majority of Republican voters will not have used it. It had its most users in Democratic California.
Users also tended to be much wealthier than the average American, so no surprise most of them are wealthy libertarians. However libertarians are outnumbered by social conservatives in the Republican Party overall and indeed many libertarians now vote Libertarian Party anyway, not GOP
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Your beliefs do not equate to “all the statistics show”. Big_G is right, I think.
Children of parents who are single or cohabit are twice as likely not to graduate from high school according to a US study
… Because the study had recruited in big cities, many of the parents had lower incomes or levels of education and a high proportion were black or Hispanic American. This was important because of the challenges these fathers face with the police and justice systems, with about 40% of the unmarried fathers spending some time in prison.…
Show me a study which compares stable two parent families with the only differentiator being whether or not they are married. Preferably a UK study, since that’s where we live.
You can’t.
Your original claim was, as Big_G said, simply rubbish.
'All else equal, children raised in stable families are healthier, better educated, and more likely to avoid poverty than those who experience transitions in family structure."
'Married parents are more likely to stay together than cohabiting ones. In fact, two-thirds of cohabiting parents split up before their child reaches age 12, compared with one quarter of married parents'. Also offering children greater stability.'
My original claim stands absolutely, not just on education outcomes. Despite your and BigG's ideological liberalism and non conservatism
"Promoting marriage will not necessarily promote stability, though, even if such promotion is possible. Previous efforts at marriage promotion have been largely unsuccessful" Oh dear, HYUFD
"Higher tax credits and higher minimum wages would boost incomes among cohabiting and single-parent homes." Socialism!
"Most importantly, reducing rates of unintended pregnancies and births would ensure that more parents were prepared for the responsibilities and rigors of parenthood." Pro-abortion
"The policy priority here is to improve access to and use of contraception" You're off to Catholic Hell
Not necessarily not won't. A Conservative Party's duty is to promote marriage.
What they suggest leftwing parties do to increase incomes of non married couples is separate to what Conservatives should be doing to increase incomes of married couples.
Marriage reduces rates of unintended pregnancies without abortion.
I am not Catholic, I am not necessarily opposed to contraception.
I think you missed the heavily implication in there. I knew you would and that's why I bolded it. Saying "reducing unintended pregnancies and births" means stopping pregnancies happening AND stopping pregnancies that have happened.
You're literally sharing pro-abortion literature on here. I'm actually a little proud of you.
Few conservatives in Britain are dogmatically anti-abortion in the way that American conservatives often are.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Your beliefs do not equate to “all the statistics show”. Big_G is right, I think.
Children of parents who are single or cohabit are twice as likely not to graduate from high school according to a US study
… Because the study had recruited in big cities, many of the parents had lower incomes or levels of education and a high proportion were black or Hispanic American. This was important because of the challenges these fathers face with the police and justice systems, with about 40% of the unmarried fathers spending some time in prison.…
Show me a study which compares stable two parent families with the only differentiator being whether or not they are married. Preferably a UK study, since that’s where we live.
You can’t.
Your original claim was, as Big_G said, simply rubbish.
'All else equal, children raised in stable families are healthier, better educated, and more likely to avoid poverty than those who experience transitions in family structure."
'Married parents are more likely to stay together than cohabiting ones. In fact, two-thirds of cohabiting parents split up before their child reaches age 12, compared with one quarter of married parents'. Also offering children greater stability.'
My original claim stands absolutely, not just on education outcomes. Despite your and BigG's ideological liberalism and non conservatism
"Promoting marriage will not necessarily promote stability, though, even if such promotion is possible. Previous efforts at marriage promotion have been largely unsuccessful" Oh dear, HYUFD
"Higher tax credits and higher minimum wages would boost incomes among cohabiting and single-parent homes." Socialism!
"Most importantly, reducing rates of unintended pregnancies and births would ensure that more parents were prepared for the responsibilities and rigors of parenthood." Pro-abortion
"The policy priority here is to improve access to and use of contraception" You're off to Catholic Hell
Not necessarily not won't. A Conservative Party's duty is to promote marriage.
What they suggest leftwing parties do to increase incomes of non married couples is separate to what Conservatives should be doing to increase incomes of married couples.
Marriage reduces rates of unintended pregnancies without abortion.
I am not Catholic, I am not necessarily opposed to contraception.
I think you missed the heavily implication in there. I knew you would and that's why I bolded it. Saying "reducing unintended pregnancies and births" means stopping pregnancies happening AND stopping pregnancies that have happened.
You're literally sharing pro-abortion literature on here. I'm actually a little proud of you.
Rubbish. It means supporting traditional marriage so couples intended to get married for the procreation of children, not having unplanned children through casual affairs and short term relationships.
You could achieve that even if abortion was illegal again
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Your beliefs do not equate to “all the statistics show”. Big_G is right, I think.
Children of parents who are single or cohabit are twice as likely not to graduate from high school according to a US study
… Because the study had recruited in big cities, many of the parents had lower incomes or levels of education and a high proportion were black or Hispanic American. This was important because of the challenges these fathers face with the police and justice systems, with about 40% of the unmarried fathers spending some time in prison.…
Show me a study which compares stable two parent families with the only differentiator being whether or not they are married. Preferably a UK study, since that’s where we live.
You can’t.
Your original claim was, as Big_G said, simply rubbish.
'All else equal, children raised in stable families are healthier, better educated, and more likely to avoid poverty than those who experience transitions in family structure."
'Married parents are more likely to stay together than cohabiting ones. In fact, two-thirds of cohabiting parents split up before their child reaches age 12, compared with one quarter of married parents'. Also offering children greater stability.'
My original claim stands absolutely, not just on education outcomes. Despite your and BigG's ideological liberalism and non conservatism
"Promoting marriage will not necessarily promote stability, though, even if such promotion is possible. Previous efforts at marriage promotion have been largely unsuccessful" Oh dear, HYUFD
"Higher tax credits and higher minimum wages would boost incomes among cohabiting and single-parent homes." Socialism!
"Most importantly, reducing rates of unintended pregnancies and births would ensure that more parents were prepared for the responsibilities and rigors of parenthood." Pro-abortion
"The policy priority here is to improve access to and use of contraception" You're off to Catholic Hell
Not necessarily not won't. A Conservative Party's duty is to promote marriage.
What they suggest leftwing parties do to increase incomes of non married couples is separate to what Conservatives should be doing to increase incomes of married couples.
Marriage reduces rates of unintended pregnancies without abortion.
I am not Catholic, I am not necessarily opposed to contraception.
I think you missed the heavily implication in there. I knew you would and that's why I bolded it. Saying "reducing unintended pregnancies and births" means stopping pregnancies happening AND stopping pregnancies that have happened.
You're literally sharing pro-abortion literature on here. I'm actually a little proud of you.
Few conservatives in Britain are dogmatically anti-abortion in the way that American conservatives often are.
They are still more anti abortion than Labour and the LDs on average. Hence most Tory MPs voted against DIY abortion a few weeks ago while most Labour and LD MPs voted for it
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.
As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.
Not really very conservative are you?
That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
It also showed Libertarian Party supporters had more affairs than Republicans and Green voters also cheated a lot.
There are certainly far more traditional social conservative voters than libertarians
Which is why Ashley Madison was so very, very busy!
Less than 1% of Americans were users of Ashley Madison on that survey, so the vast majority of Republican voters will not have used it. It had its most users in Democratic California.
Users also tended to be much wealthier than the average American, so no surprise most of them are wealthy libertarians. However libertarians are outnumbered by social conservatives in the Republican Party overall and indeed many libertarians now vote Libertarian Party anyway, not GOP
Ah ha! So you DO understand confounding variables after all! Sadly you followed it up with what appears to be a lie: "most of them are libertarians" seems false. Libertarians are more likely to sign up, but their baseline population is much smaller than Republicans. So if you'd logged on to AM and sought a seamy night of political debate, you'd likely end up with MAGA hat on your bedroom floor.
You have an ideological agenda, we know that.
However even you cannot ignore these lines from the very article you linked to 'Across the board, Libertarians made up the greatest proportion of Ashley Madison clients. In the four states that had Libertarians, namely California, Florida, Kansas and New York, about one in 250 of the site’s clients had registered as Libertarians.'
So registered supporters of the US Libertarian Party, not the Republican Party were the greatest users of Ashley Madison, we know that.
Given less than 1% of Americans use Ashley Madison, the vast majority of Republicans would also not use the site either. The social conservative majority of the GOP therefore would not have touched Ashley Madison with a bargepole, some libertarian Republicans maybe but they are increasingly being driven out of the GOP to the Libertarian Party anyway, on which point your whole argument falls apart
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Your beliefs do not equate to “all the statistics show”. Big_G is right, I think.
Children of parents who are single or cohabit are twice as likely not to graduate from high school according to a US study
… Because the study had recruited in big cities, many of the parents had lower incomes or levels of education and a high proportion were black or Hispanic American. This was important because of the challenges these fathers face with the police and justice systems, with about 40% of the unmarried fathers spending some time in prison.…
Show me a study which compares stable two parent families with the only differentiator being whether or not they are married. Preferably a UK study, since that’s where we live.
You can’t.
Your original claim was, as Big_G said, simply rubbish.
'All else equal, children raised in stable families are healthier, better educated, and more likely to avoid poverty than those who experience transitions in family structure."
'Married parents are more likely to stay together than cohabiting ones. In fact, two-thirds of cohabiting parents split up before their child reaches age 12, compared with one quarter of married parents'. Also offering children greater stability.'
My original claim stands absolutely, not just on education outcomes. Despite your and BigG's ideological liberalism and non conservatism
"Promoting marriage will not necessarily promote stability, though, even if such promotion is possible. Previous efforts at marriage promotion have been largely unsuccessful" Oh dear, HYUFD
"Higher tax credits and higher minimum wages would boost incomes among cohabiting and single-parent homes." Socialism!
"Most importantly, reducing rates of unintended pregnancies and births would ensure that more parents were prepared for the responsibilities and rigors of parenthood." Pro-abortion
"The policy priority here is to improve access to and use of contraception" You're off to Catholic Hell
Not necessarily not won't. A Conservative Party's duty is to promote marriage.
What they suggest leftwing parties do to increase incomes of non married couples is separate to what Conservatives should be doing to increase incomes of married couples.
Marriage reduces rates of unintended pregnancies without abortion.
I am not Catholic, I am not necessarily opposed to contraception.
I think you missed the heavily implication in there. I knew you would and that's why I bolded it. Saying "reducing unintended pregnancies and births" means stopping pregnancies happening AND stopping pregnancies that have happened.
You're literally sharing pro-abortion literature on here. I'm actually a little proud of you.
Rubbish. It means supporting traditional marriage so couples intended to get married for the procreation of children, not having unplanned children through casual affairs and short term relationships.
You could achieve that even if abortion was illegal again
Everything you've said applies to pregnancies. You can only get the "and births" part in there with... further intervention. Oh, you're so going to Catholic Hell.
In which case your going to Hell fullstop, no passing Go.
And no, you could make abortion even illegal again and still reduce unplanned pregnancies by increasing marriage rates
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
Utter and complete rubbish and yes, you are a bigot
If I wanted to be a social liberal I would have joined Labour or the Liberal Democrats. I joined the Conservatives as I am a conservative and believe in the traditional family.
You throwing out abuse will not change that
Your beliefs do not equate to “all the statistics show”. Big_G is right, I think.
Children of parents who are single or cohabit are twice as likely not to graduate from high school according to a US study
… Because the study had recruited in big cities, many of the parents had lower incomes or levels of education and a high proportion were black or Hispanic American. This was important because of the challenges these fathers face with the police and justice systems, with about 40% of the unmarried fathers spending some time in prison.…
Show me a study which compares stable two parent families with the only differentiator being whether or not they are married. Preferably a UK study, since that’s where we live.
You can’t.
Your original claim was, as Big_G said, simply rubbish.
'All else equal, children raised in stable families are healthier, better educated, and more likely to avoid poverty than those who experience transitions in family structure."
'Married parents are more likely to stay together than cohabiting ones. In fact, two-thirds of cohabiting parents split up before their child reaches age 12, compared with one quarter of married parents'. Also offering children greater stability.'
My original claim stands absolutely, not just on education outcomes. Despite your and BigG's ideological liberalism and non conservatism
"Promoting marriage will not necessarily promote stability, though, even if such promotion is possible. Previous efforts at marriage promotion have been largely unsuccessful" Oh dear, HYUFD
"Higher tax credits and higher minimum wages would boost incomes among cohabiting and single-parent homes." Socialism!
"Most importantly, reducing rates of unintended pregnancies and births would ensure that more parents were prepared for the responsibilities and rigors of parenthood." Pro-abortion
"The policy priority here is to improve access to and use of contraception" You're off to Catholic Hell
Not necessarily not won't. A Conservative Party's duty is to promote marriage.
What they suggest leftwing parties do to increase incomes of non married couples is separate to what Conservatives should be doing to increase incomes of married couples.
Marriage reduces rates of unintended pregnancies without abortion.
I am not Catholic, I am not necessarily opposed to contraception.
I think you missed the heavily implication in there. I knew you would and that's why I bolded it. Saying "reducing unintended pregnancies and births" means stopping pregnancies happening AND stopping pregnancies that have happened.
You're literally sharing pro-abortion literature on here. I'm actually a little proud of you.
Rubbish. It means supporting traditional marriage so couples intended to get married for the procreation of children, not having unplanned children through casual affairs and short term relationships.
You could achieve that even if abortion was illegal again
Everything you've said applies to pregnancies. You can only get the "and births" part in there with... further intervention. Oh, you're so going to Catholic Hell.
In which case your going to Hell fullstop, no passing Go
The God YOU worship is the world's most prolific abortionist - He just calls it "miscarriage".
The GOP and its supporters only care about kids before they’re born. After that they don’t give a damn . The right to life mantra is laughable given how many people are murdered every year by guns , and the GOP continue to block sensible gun restrictions that most sane people would think shouldn’t be controversial .
The USA is in a terrible state , barring the solid blue states the rest are a backward cesspit of gun toting , anti-abortion nutjobs.
Even worse are the women who try to restrict other women’s rights to choose . No woman wants to have an abortion , it’s a last resort but the choice should always be a women’s to make .
The final French poll released by Ipsos Sopra-Steria is a large sample of 12,129 respondents .
Certain to vote was 7,549.
Fieldwork was just today .
Macron 56.5% Le Pen 43.5%
Full poll details are here. The only glimmer of hope for Le Pen is that 35% of people who say they will abstain or vote blanc say they may still change their mind.
JRM is an unthinking idiot. There's a vast array of jobs in the Civil Service; for some, attendance at the office is essential, for others, it's not - it depends on the precise role. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the changes brought about by the pandemic have increased productivity overall, and will also result in longer-term savings on office costs etc. as well.
For example, if you have a desk-based analytical job, you're likely to be more productive at home, avoiding office-based interruptions. I've a relation who's working on a major CS energy project - he reckons he gets 50% more work done at home than in the office (as well as the improvement in work-life balance by avoiding commuting). He goes in for face-to face meetings whenever necessary, maybe once a fortnight, with other business conducted remotely. I know that's anecdotal, but it's not untypical at all.
JRM is just a lightweight - pay him no mind!
Unfortunately he is not regarded as a lightweight by the PM, however.
Is the Moggster the only MP with as many children as Bozo?
How would we ever know?
Mogg did at least have his in wedlock with the same woman
What a shocking comment
Two of my grandchildren were born to our son and his partner before they married 10 years later
You are a narrow minded bigot
What was shocking about it.
Children are best brought up in families with married parents, all the statistics shows that gives them most stability. That is traditionally a standard Conservative view albeit I know you sometimes do not vote Conservative.
However it was particularly directed at the circumstances of your son's family, Mogg also has been married to one woman and not had any mistresses unlike his boss
How do you know Mogg hasn't had any mistresses? People tend to keep quiet about such things.
Well if he has I have never heard a rumour of any.
As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
Surely a man of a certain wealth and status keeps a mistress. Plus a couple of actresses on the side and the odd bit of whoring.
Not really very conservative are you?
That sounds more like a wealthy urban liberal or libertarian than a traditional rural based Conservative like Rees Mogg
This is another example where your brand of conservatism is way out of line with others'. You think conservatism is all about traditional values, but there are many who think it's about taking what you can. And there are more of them than you.
It also showed Libertarian Party supporters had more affairs than Republicans and Green voters also cheated a lot.
There are certainly far more traditional social conservative voters than libertarians
Which is why Ashley Madison was so very, very busy!
Less than 1% of Americans were users of Ashley Madison on that survey, so the vast majority of Republican voters will not have used it. It had its most users in Democratic California.
Users also tended to be much wealthier than the average American, so no surprise most of them are wealthy libertarians. However libertarians are outnumbered by social conservatives in the Republican Party overall and indeed many libertarians now vote Libertarian Party anyway, not GOP
Ah ha! So you DO understand confounding variables after all! Sadly you followed it up with what appears to be a lie: "most of them are libertarians" seems false. Libertarians are more likely to sign up, but their baseline population is much smaller than Republicans. So if you'd logged on to AM and sought a seamy night of political debate, you'd likely end up with MAGA hat on your bedroom floor.
You have an ideological agenda, we know that.
However even you cannot ignore these lines from the very article you linked to 'Across the board, Libertarians made up the greatest proportion of Ashley Madison clients. In the four states that had Libertarians, namely California, Florida, Kansas and New York, about one in 250 of the site’s clients had registered as Libertarians.'
So registered supporters of the US Libertarian Party, not the Republican Party were the greatest users of Ashley Madison, we know that.
Given less than 1% of Americans use Ashley Madison, the vast majority of Republicans would also not use the site either. The social conservative majority of the GOP therefore would not have touched Ashley Madison with a bargepole, some libertarian Republicans maybe but they are increasingly being driven out of the GOP to the Libertarian Party anyway, on which point your whole argument falls apart
Breaking news: there are more than four states in the USA
The GOP and its supporters only care about kids before they’re born. After that they don’t give a damn . The right to life mantra is laughable given how many people are murdered every year by guns , and the GOP continue to block sensible gun restrictions that most sane people would think shouldn’t be controversial .
The USA is in a terrible state , barring the solid blue states the rest are a backward cesspit of gun toting , anti-abortion nutjobs.
Even worse are the women who try to restrict other women’s rights to choose . No woman wants to have an abortion , it’s a last resort but the choice should always be a women’s to make .
The unborn child must also be part of the equation too. If some conservative US states want to reverse the liberal tide of abortion on demand and tighten abortion restrictions that is their right to do so
It does seem as though the evidence of Russian atrocities around Kyiv was a turning point, and prompted the provision of a lot more heavy equipment to Ukraine. The situation might soon become a lot worse for Russian forces in Ukraine.
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Let’s deal with some facts we have learnt. Channel 4 news tonight vox popped young black ladies who are voting for Le Pen. I’m young, white and right of any political centre, but I can’t ever imagine voting for Le Pen. But then C4 news voxpopped the very place yellow jacket revolt started in protest at Macrons fuel tax. So what we learnt in this election is not so much an answer, but a question - how many Frances are there?
I don’t have post vote analysis from this coming Sundays vote in front of me, but If I say now it will show a divided Nation, not so much left/right but rich/poor, town/country, remain in EU/leave EU, happy to bear costs from sanctions on Russia/not so keen too. And many many other divides as well. Would I be wrong next week to predict that this evening?
And, IF Macron wins, so has full term of office, I would say he is a winner. But if Le Pen makes progress from 33% to 45% 46%, with left votes, with young black ladies voting for her to confirm the makeover is a success, Le Pen will feel very much like a winner too. So am I wrong to predict their will be two winners on Sunday?
The Tories are throwing a lot of shit at the wall on this as it's natural red-meat territory to get the (majority) British publics juices flowing. It won't work and yes, the plan will come to nothing and be dropped. We all know this. At least those of us with any rational and reasoned thought.
What I cannot abide is the lazy, knee-jerk silly criticisms of the usual "evil tory" crowd on issues like this. Hence why the Holocaust analogy is not just absurd, but plain down-right stupid (and borderline offensive). And it demonstrates a complete lack of both reason and power to rationally debate serious issues.
What's the answer? Christ knows - which is what, I'm sure, every government in the Western world is saying on this issue right now - as we, in the "West" all have the same problem. Hysterical and highly partisan posts merely decrying any proposed solution is not the answer. This policy, although highly flawed and impracticable is not an exclusive "evil Tory" solution.
Proper news coverage, the worthwhile stuff not the rot to not waste time on Should be based on detail and evidence, not speculation.
Very tempted to have a let's say £1000 bet that you have never spent more than 2 consecutive weeks in Rwanda. I note you have come down in 2 posts from " lived there for a considerable time" to "been to on more than a couple of occasions." Wanna retreat further?
And realise this: you think being stupid is morally OK, it's just being stupid. I am afraid that's wrong, there are levels at which it is indistinguishable from evil. Have you any idea what happened in 1994, without googling or phoning a friend? Hur hur hur, fancy thinking Rwanda was ever a neo Nazi hell hole. Hur hur.
As he is a strict Roman Catholic I would also not be surprised if his wife is the only woman he has ever slept with
SKSWNBPM!
Whereas the Conservatives are led by a serial adulterer with an unspecified number of illegitimate children.
So maybe it isn't such an important issue for you after all.
Easy £1000 you are passing up there.
Unless of course....
I was for 28 years. Didn't make a blind bit of difference to anything really. Technically still am. Also makes no odds.
I remember he called Liz Truss 'a trollop' amongst other things but he offered a rare economically left, socially conservative viewpoint. So a pity he went
And anyhow, if Joseph wasn't Jesus's father, then the whole 'born of David's line' thing falls apart.
Theology, eh? Much simpler for us atheists.
You're safer sticking to Peppa. She uses words in a way you can understand. Well. In most episodes. Some episodes probably confuse you immensely. Remember. Not everything is comparable to the Holocaust! (even Tories!).
Sleep well!!!
Good recall Nick
Originally, the show legally married strangers on first sight - most of whom then went on to have their marriages annulled or divorced. However, in the last series they only had a pretendy service which wasn't a legal wedding, which resulted in the weird spectacle of one of the "husbands" proposing to his "wife" at the end of the series when they decided to stay together. This couple had been planning to marry this year, but since the bride-to-be (or bride-who-was) is now pregnant, they've decided to delay the wedding until next year. So clearly the whole thing is treated very differently to in the past.
Personally I think that if marriage didn't exist we'd probably create something pretty similar. It's a way of nominating someone you are in a relationship with to the government, so that you each have a series of legal rights and protections - that feels like a useful practical step for unrelated people in a long-term relationship. And then why not have a big party for your friends and family to mark the occasion of realising that you are in such a long-term relationship with another person that you felt it worthwhile to tell the government about it?
Plus Jesus was also of Messiah by prophetic appointment as David was King by prophetic appointment via Samuel
INDEPENDENCE, Ohio — He was lagging in the polls. His cash was running low. With the state’s primary fast approaching, J.D. Vance’s chances of winning the Ohio GOP Senate nomination didn’t look promising.
But his fortunes have changed dramatically in just the last week since Donald Trump delivered his endorsement, an intervention that has upended one of the most contentious Republican primaries in the nation.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/22/vance-ohio-senate-00027183
Only a few weeks ago most Tory MPs voted against DIY abortion, most Labour and LD MPs for it
(That’s Boris’s line.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE8d-uGmIWk
Big_G is right, I think.
Given the need for some sort of election process (though will he leaves on disgrace, will it be more "don't let the door slam on that muscly bottom as you go"?), BoJo's twilight might see him past that milestone.
Though if he doesn't, at least two people will find it really funny. And one of those two people doesn't live in Maidenhead.
Does the German government really want Ukraine to win the war?
The debate in Germany has now reached the level where the government is questioned about whether it supports Ukraine or Russia.
Not really very conservative are you?
No @BlancheLivermore-style travel / food pics alas.
So here's one of the view from Corney Fell.
Oh and @Roger - Of all the cities in Italy, Milan is one of the most boring. Practically German in its dullness. Go South for real joie de vivre!
https://www.bbc.com/news/education-47057787
"Vesey's whores and Vesey's bastards."
Never knew there was a little corner of it - Franklin, with Leiper’s Fork - which is one of the richest places in the USA. Justin Timberlake lives here
This was important because of the challenges these fathers face with the police and justice systems, with about 40% of the unmarried fathers spending some time in prison.…
Show me a study which compares stable two parent families with the only differentiator being whether or not they are married.
Preferably a UK study, since that’s where we live.
You can’t.
Your original claim was, as Big_G said, simply rubbish.
https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1517483438479187968?t=uNPHsB0PBLaoRDdIINsh8g&s=19
'Married parents are more likely to stay together than cohabiting ones. In fact, two-thirds of cohabiting parents split up before their child reaches age 12, compared with one quarter of married parents'. Also offering children greater stability.'
My original claim stands absolutely, not just on education outcomes. Despite your and BigG's ideological liberalism and non conservatism
https://www.brookings.edu/research/cohabiting-parents-differ-from-married-ones-in-three-big-ways/
There are certainly far more traditional social conservative voters than libertarians
Overall France is still clearly pro EU and Le Pen would have tanked if her platform was Frexit . She’s done her best to hide her hatred of the EU but it came to the fore many times during the debate .
What they suggest leftwing parties do to increase incomes of non married couples is separate to what Conservatives should be doing to increase incomes of married couples.
Marriage reduces rates of unintended pregnancies without abortion.
I am not Catholic, I am not necessarily opposed to contraception.
Users also tended to be much wealthier than the average American, so no surprise most of them are wealthy libertarians. However libertarians are outnumbered by social conservatives in the Republican Party overall and indeed many libertarians now vote Libertarian Party anyway, not GOP
Certain to vote was 7,549.
Fieldwork was just today .
Macron 56.5%
Le Pen 43.5%
You could achieve that even if abortion was illegal again
However even you cannot ignore these lines from the very article you linked to 'Across the board, Libertarians made up the greatest proportion of Ashley Madison clients. In the four states that had Libertarians, namely California, Florida, Kansas and New York, about one in 250 of the site’s clients had registered as Libertarians.'
So registered supporters of the US Libertarian Party, not the Republican Party were the greatest users of Ashley Madison, we know that.
Given less than 1% of Americans use Ashley Madison, the vast majority of Republicans would also not use the site either. The social conservative majority of the GOP therefore would not have touched Ashley Madison with a bargepole, some libertarian Republicans maybe but they are increasingly being driven out of the GOP to the Libertarian Party anyway, on which point your whole argument falls apart
And no, you could make abortion even illegal again and still reduce unplanned pregnancies by increasing marriage rates
The USA is in a terrible state , barring the solid blue states the rest are a backward cesspit of gun toting , anti-abortion nutjobs.
Even worse are the women who try to restrict other women’s rights to choose . No woman wants to have an abortion , it’s a last resort but the choice should always be a women’s to make .
https://www.ipsos.com/fr-fr/presidentielle-2022/presidentielle-2022-intention-vote-22-avril
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"Zelensky: Allies 'finally' providing weapons Ukraine asked for.
Zelensky thanked Kyiv's partners who “finally heard” Ukraine’s requests for arms.
He said the arms will save the lives of thousands and show Russia the day they will be forced to leave Ukraine is approaching."
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1517641373893148673
It does seem as though the evidence of Russian atrocities around Kyiv was a turning point, and prompted the provision of a lot more heavy equipment to Ukraine. The situation might soon become a lot worse for Russian forces in Ukraine.