Special military operation, what is it good for? – politicalbetting.com
From @IpsosUK today. 46% satisfied with govt handling of Ukraine. 38% dissatisfied. Here is how that compares to past conflicts. pic.twitter.com/kcBEyKsVaC
Seeing the good in others is thus a simple but very powerful way to feel happier and more confident, and become more loving and more productive in the world.
(and runs away, in anticipation of the approximately 36 "but ..." subclauses about to be added).
"Just possibly - fighting was getting closer and close to the hospital. So there were very few mothers-to-be there - mostly evacuated or sent to other places. But it is still a hospital....."
So the excuse for the low casualties is that they were incompetent - it fell in front of the hospital rather than destroying it. Perhaps they'll try harder next time. Use a hypersonic, vacuum bomb or something similar. In the meantime, we can criticise the Ukranians for exaggeration. I begin to think that they lie badly because it doesn't matter much. Only the domestic audience matters.
More that when they bombed a hospital, it was mostly empty. Because the Ukrainians were worried that the Russians might bomb the hospital.
Darn those Ukrainians for thinking that the Russians might do something they actually did and taking precautions.
"Just possibly - fighting was getting closer and close to the hospital. So there were very few mothers-to-be there - mostly evacuated or sent to other places. But it is still a hospital....."
So the excuse for the low casualties is that they were incompetent - it fell in front of the hospital rather than destroying it. Perhaps they'll try harder next time. Use a hypersonic, vacuum bomb or something similar. In the meantime, we can criticise the Ukranians for exaggeration. I begin to think that they lie badly because it doesn't matter much. Only the domestic audience matters.
More that when they bombed a hospital, it was mostly empty. Because the Ukrainians were worried that the Russians might bomb the hospital.
Darn those Ukrainians for thinking that the Russians might do something they actually did and taking precautions.
The WHO have reported that they confirmed that 43 medical facilities have been attacked in the last 3 weeks.
Malcolm Ross Newbury (Welsh migrant loving our innovative, industrious, democratic and independent union) thinks it's an entertaining antiwoke viewpoint of the situation.
"Just possibly - fighting was getting closer and close to the hospital. So there were very few mothers-to-be there - mostly evacuated or sent to other places. But it is still a hospital....."
So the excuse for the low casualties is that they were incompetent - it fell in front of the hospital rather than destroying it. Perhaps they'll try harder next time. Use a hypersonic, vacuum bomb or something similar. In the meantime, we can criticise the Ukranians for exaggeration. I begin to think that they lie badly because it doesn't matter much. Only the domestic audience matters.
More that when they bombed a hospital, it was mostly empty. Because the Ukrainians were worried that the Russians might bomb the hospital.
Darn those Ukrainians for thinking that the Russians might do something they actually did and taking precautions.
They didn't want a Special Military Operation Baby....
As usual the author allows his extreme dislike of the Prime Minister to overshadow any point he is trying to make. I rather doubt that the reporting of a tiny element of what was quite a good and certainly well received speech will have any lasting effect whatsoever on Johnson's period as PM. If people's living standards decline for a prolonged period and the opposition parties manage to put together a semi plausible scenario to allay that ( a huge task for them) then Johnson is doomed. But perhaps not otherwise.
On topic, there will be plenty saying "We need to have a No Fly Zone!" Their polling response might be different if asked "Do you want to die in a nuclear strike if we enforce that No Fly Zone you want?"
"Just possibly - fighting was getting closer and close to the hospital. So there were very few mothers-to-be there - mostly evacuated or sent to other places. But it is still a hospital....."
So the excuse for the low casualties is that they were incompetent - it fell in front of the hospital rather than destroying it. Perhaps they'll try harder next time. Use a hypersonic, vacuum bomb or something similar. In the meantime, we can criticise the Ukranians for exaggeration. I begin to think that they lie badly because it doesn't matter much. Only the domestic audience matters.
More that when they bombed a hospital, it was mostly empty. Because the Ukrainians were worried that the Russians might bomb the hospital.
Darn those Ukrainians for thinking that the Russians might do something they actually did and taking precautions.
The WHO have reported that they confirmed that 43 medical facilities have been attacked in the last 3 weeks.
Of course the Russians are doing that: they want to make any Ukraine as unviable as possible. If they gain control of the whole of Ukraine, they can rebuild the infrastructure and proclaim it as gloriously Russian. If they don't gain control, they leave a wasteland behind them.
The graphic shows the evolution in how confident people are that Russia will be defeated.
Encouraging for Ukraine, discouraging for Putin. A nation confidently united, like that, can literally never be defeated. Unless he deports them ALL to Siberia
I still don't see path to them regaining Donbas (never mind Crimea), but if they remain united like that it means the Leadership can presumably hold firmer against offering concessions to the Russians as the price for peace, on the basis that the Ukrainian people would rather not pay some prices.
I don't see why they couldn't get the Donbass back under some scenarios. I wouldn't rule out Crimea either. However that's easy for me to say, I'm not the one facing a humanitarian crisis. Unless Putin is prepared to use WMD (horrible thought) or starts calling up masses of reserves - 500,000? - it is hard to see him winning a military victory so long as the Ukrainian air force keeps flying and their army isn't decimated. I believe the Ukrainians are busy training reservists - I thought I saw a figure of 250,000 - which would give them superior numbers. Hopefully all the Nato weapons are getting there.
VVP never articulated the aims or schedule of Operation Ukrainian Freedom in anything other than the most ambiguous terms so he can declare victory whenever he wants.
We can surmise the aims were:
1. Regime change in Ukraine turning them into another gimp state like Belarus. 2. No NATO for Ukraine. 3. A more sustainable form for the DPR/LPR. 4. Land bridge to Crimea and deny Ukraine access to the Black Sea.
1. is looking like a stretch at the moment although they might get lucky and get Zeldisney. 2. That's a tick. 3. and 4. are looking achievable.
VVP might be inclined to settle for 2,3 & 4, work on getting sanctions lifted as the west eventually gets bored/greedy and then have another go 5-10 years hence and break off another piece.
Yes, unfortunately that does seem plausible. It may have been at higher cost than he wanted, but a glorified snatch and grab may well succeed.
"Just possibly - fighting was getting closer and close to the hospital. So there were very few mothers-to-be there - mostly evacuated or sent to other places. But it is still a hospital....."
So the excuse for the low casualties is that they were incompetent - it fell in front of the hospital rather than destroying it. Perhaps they'll try harder next time. Use a hypersonic, vacuum bomb or something similar. In the meantime, we can criticise the Ukranians for exaggeration. I begin to think that they lie badly because it doesn't matter much. Only the domestic audience matters.
More that when they bombed a hospital, it was mostly empty. Because the Ukrainians were worried that the Russians might bomb the hospital.
Darn those Ukrainians for thinking that the Russians might do something they actually did and taking precautions.
The WHO have reported that they confirmed that 43 medical facilities have been attacked in the last 3 weeks.
Of course the Russians are doing that: they want to make any Ukraine as unviable as possible. If they gain control of the whole of Ukraine, they can rebuild the infrastructure and proclaim it as gloriously Russian. If they don't gain control, they leave a wasteland behind them.
Destroy to rebuild and control.
How were they planing on paying for the re-building?
I see Peter Hitchens' latest attempt to smear Ukraine involves mentioning that the football stadium in Ternopil is named after Roman Shukhevych - a Ukrainian nationalist and Nazi collaborator. The name is not used by the Ukrainian FA.
Of course the real problem with Ukraine is that it wants to integrate with the decadent west, that failing entity Hitchens so deplores.
As usual the author allows his extreme dislike of the Prime Minister to overshadow any point he is trying to make. I rather doubt that the reporting of a tiny element of what was quite a good and certainly well received speech will have any lasting effect whatsoever on Johnson's period as PM. If people's living standards decline for a prolonged period and the opposition parties manage to put together a semi plausible scenario to allay that ( a huge task for them) then Johnson is doomed. But perhaps not otherwise.
'Bellend' is appropriate though given he dropped a clanger.
Anyhoo, I've gone all in on Sir Lewis and Mercedes to win the titles this season.
I feel it in my waters, within a few races the Merc will blow everyone out of the water.
The opposite side of the bet is proving quite profitable for me so far (which pains me slightly). I don’t think Mercedes will come up with a quick fix - it’s likely to take several races - but I haven’t yet written them off for the season. If Red Bull and Ferrari stay close enough to each other, it’s not impossible for Mercedes to come trough the middle if they get their act together.
"Just possibly - fighting was getting closer and close to the hospital. So there were very few mothers-to-be there - mostly evacuated or sent to other places. But it is still a hospital....."
So the excuse for the low casualties is that they were incompetent - it fell in front of the hospital rather than destroying it. Perhaps they'll try harder next time. Use a hypersonic, vacuum bomb or something similar. In the meantime, we can criticise the Ukranians for exaggeration. I begin to think that they lie badly because it doesn't matter much. Only the domestic audience matters.
More that when they bombed a hospital, it was mostly empty. Because the Ukrainians were worried that the Russians might bomb the hospital.
Darn those Ukrainians for thinking that the Russians might do something they actually did and taking precautions.
The WHO have reported that they confirmed that 43 medical facilities have been attacked in the last 3 weeks.
Anyhoo, I've gone all in on Sir Lewis and Mercedes to win the titles this season.
I feel it in my waters, within a few races the Merc will blow everyone out of the water.
The opposite side of the bet is proving quite profitable for me so far (which pains me slightly). I don’t think Mercedes will come up with a quick fix - it’s likely to take several races - but I haven’t yet written them off for the season. If Red Bull and Ferrari stay close enough to each other, it’s not impossible for Mercedes to come trough the middle if they get their act together.
My view is that Leclerc and Sainz are excellent drivers but the way Verstappen attacks I reckon those two don't have the racecraft (yet) to deal with the Dutch shunt and that might lead to a few DNFs for Verstappen and the Ferrari boys.
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
I've been following that site for a while, Josias. It has been consistently restrained and well-balanced.
At the outset it was deeply pessimistic about the prospects of Ukraine and its army. It has gradually modified its view and the report to which you refer is the most optimistic assessment they have produced yet.
My reading of the situation is that the ISW doesn't want to raise false expectations, especially as Russia may yet resort to chemical or tactical nuclear weapons. Nevertheless it is impossible to read their coverage without inferring that the tide has been turning, and may well do so further.
As usual the author allows his extreme dislike of the Prime Minister to overshadow any point he is trying to make. I rather doubt that the reporting of a tiny element of what was quite a good and certainly well received speech will have any lasting effect whatsoever on Johnson's period as PM. If people's living standards decline for a prolonged period and the opposition parties manage to put together a semi plausible scenario to allay that ( a huge task for them) then Johnson is doomed. But perhaps not otherwise.
By Johnson's recent standards (the last 30 years?) and with a far lower expectation than that demanded of any other senior UK politician, the speech was surprising well presented.
Even if one edits out the analogy that the EU is tantamount to Putin's Russia, there remains an awful lot of, shall we call it, absolute b****cks?
Anyhoo, I've gone all in on Sir Lewis and Mercedes to win the titles this season.
I feel it in my waters, within a few races the Merc will blow everyone out of the water.
The opposite side of the bet is proving quite profitable for me so far (which pains me slightly). I don’t think Mercedes will come up with a quick fix - it’s likely to take several races - but I haven’t yet written them off for the season. If Red Bull and Ferrari stay close enough to each other, it’s not impossible for Mercedes to come trough the middle if they get their act together.
My view is that Leclerc and Sainz are excellent drivers but the way Verstappen attacks I reckon those two don't have the racecraft (yet) to deal with the Dutch shunt and that might lead to a few DNFs for Verstappen and the Ferrari boys.
Leclerc and Verstappen have karting history. The racing could indeed get spicy.
But Ferrari have two genuine contenders, while Bull have Perez. Mutual DNFs are likely to see the other Ferrari on the top step.
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
I've been following that site for a while, Josias. It has been consistently restrained and well-balanced.
At the outset it was deeply pessimistic about the prospects of Ukraine and its army. It has gradually modified its view and the report to which you refer is the most optimistic assessment they have produced yet.
My reading of the situation is that the ISW doesn't want to raise false expectations, especially as Russia may yet resort to chemical or tactical nuclear weapons. Nevertheless it is impossible to read their coverage without inferring that the tide has been turning, and may well do so further.
The tide has turned from Russia wining quickly, militarily, to Russia wining very, very slowly, militarily.
The question is can they sustain this meat grinder, while the economy collapses from sanctions?
I see Peter Hitchens' latest attempt to smear Ukraine involves mentioning that the football stadium in Ternopil is named after Roman Shukhevych - a Ukrainian nationalist and Nazi collaborator. The name is not used by the Ukrainian FA.
Of course the real problem with Ukraine is that it wants to integrate with the decadent west, that failing entity Hitchens so deplores.
Hitchens is a reactionary that hates democracy. No doubt he would have supported Lord Halifax for PM if he were alive during WW2.
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
I've been following that site for a while, Josias. It has been consistently restrained and well-balanced.
At the outset it was deeply pessimistic about the prospects of Ukraine and its army. It has gradually modified its view and the report to which you refer is the most optimistic assessment they have produced yet.
My reading of the situation is that the ISW doesn't want to raise false expectations, especially as Russia may yet resort to chemical or tactical nuclear weapons. Nevertheless it is impossible to read their coverage without inferring that the tide has been turning, and may well do so further.
The tide has turned from Russia wining quickly, militarily, to Russia wining very, very slowly, militarily.
The question is can they sustain this meat grinder, while the economy collapses from sanctions?
Not even convinced they will win slowly now. And even if they did, somehow, they would not be able to hold it without a massive permanent military presence, like the US in Afghanistan. And that's independent of the economic crisis.
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
I've been following that site for a while, Josias. It has been consistently restrained and well-balanced.
At the outset it was deeply pessimistic about the prospects of Ukraine and its army. It has gradually modified its view and the report to which you refer is the most optimistic assessment they have produced yet.
My reading of the situation is that the ISW doesn't want to raise false expectations, especially as Russia may yet resort to chemical or tactical nuclear weapons. Nevertheless it is impossible to read their coverage without inferring that the tide has been turning, and may well do so further.
The tide has turned from Russia wining quickly, militarily, to Russia wining very, very slowly, militarily.
The question is can they sustain this meat grinder, while the economy collapses from sanctions?
Not even convinced they will win slowly now. And even if they did, somehow, they would not be able to hold it without a massive permanent military presence, like the US in Afghanistan. And that's independent of the economic crisis.
It will be more like Iraq or Vietnam. Insurgency everywhere. A true nightmare
Putin needs a ‘win’ he can sell, and then a retreat to regroup. Get the sanctions lifted
"Just possibly - fighting was getting closer and close to the hospital. So there were very few mothers-to-be there - mostly evacuated or sent to other places. But it is still a hospital....."
So the excuse for the low casualties is that they were incompetent - it fell in front of the hospital rather than destroying it. Perhaps they'll try harder next time. Use a hypersonic, vacuum bomb or something similar. In the meantime, we can criticise the Ukranians for exaggeration. I begin to think that they lie badly because it doesn't matter much. Only the domestic audience matters.
More that when they bombed a hospital, it was mostly empty. Because the Ukrainians were worried that the Russians might bomb the hospital.
Darn those Ukrainians for thinking that the Russians might do something they actually did and taking precautions.
The WHO have reported that they confirmed that 43 medical facilities have been attacked in the last 3 weeks.
Of course the Russians are doing that: they want to make any Ukraine as unviable as possible. If they gain control of the whole of Ukraine, they can rebuild the infrastructure and proclaim it as gloriously Russian. If they don't gain control, they leave a wasteland behind them.
Destroy to rebuild and control.
How were they planing on paying for the re-building?
Well, if it's anything like the old Soviet times, they'll rebuild cheaply and very poorly. And make the Ukrainians pay for it.
Except when it's a strategic national goal, where they'll pay for it. And in a few decades time, say they want their 'investment' back ...
In the meantime, there will be less need for infrastructure as many non-Russian Ukrainians will be sent out of the country.
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
I've been following that site for a while, Josias. It has been consistently restrained and well-balanced.
At the outset it was deeply pessimistic about the prospects of Ukraine and its army. It has gradually modified its view and the report to which you refer is the most optimistic assessment they have produced yet.
My reading of the situation is that the ISW doesn't want to raise false expectations, especially as Russia may yet resort to chemical or tactical nuclear weapons. Nevertheless it is impossible to read their coverage without inferring that the tide has been turning, and may well do so further.
The tide has turned from Russia wining quickly, militarily, to Russia wining very, very slowly, militarily.
The question is can they sustain this meat grinder, while the economy collapses from sanctions?
Not even convinced they will win slowly now. And even if they did, somehow, they would not be able to hold it without a massive permanent military presence, like the US in Afghanistan. And that's independent of the economic crisis.
Defining winning? I the Russians are slowly grinding forward, especially on the Black Sea coast. They will lose lots of men, lots of vehicles.
Russia starts conscripting population living in occupied Donbas to reinforce its armed forces fighting in Ukraine. This is a gross violation of international law, including Geneva Convention. Russian officials’ list of war crimes continues to expand. They will be held accountable https://mobile.twitter.com/OlegNikolenko_/status/1505277919366627336
Well, there could be some progress being made, if some accounts are to be believed.
Speaking to al-Jazeera television, Turkish presidential adviser Ibrahim Kalin said the two warring factions appeared to converge on four key points. He cited Moscow's demand from Ukraine to abandon the prospect of NATO membership, demilitarization, what the Kremlin calls "de-Naziization" and the protection of the Russian language in Ukraine.
Kalin also said that a permanent ceasefire could be achieved after a meeting between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and Vladimir Putin. However, the Putin side seems to "consider" that Kiev's positions on issues related to the future regime of Crimea and Donbass have not yet come close enough to the Russians that such a Putin-Zelensky meeting can be justified.
We have seen repeatedly that few things in this country are as politically sensitive as the price of petrol or diesel. I am pretty confident that that is driving polling right now and if Rishi is going to try to recover the situation we just might see a reduction in the level of duty (more than made up for by the additional VAT on the current price, of course). This disperses a somewhat unwelcome windfall for the government, defuses the price of living a bit (only a bit, of course) and shows that the government still wants the country to get moving again (literally in this case). It is, in my view, as close to a no brainer as we can get in these difficult times.
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
I've been following that site for a while, Josias. It has been consistently restrained and well-balanced.
At the outset it was deeply pessimistic about the prospects of Ukraine and its army. It has gradually modified its view and the report to which you refer is the most optimistic assessment they have produced yet.
My reading of the situation is that the ISW doesn't want to raise false expectations, especially as Russia may yet resort to chemical or tactical nuclear weapons. Nevertheless it is impossible to read their coverage without inferring that the tide has been turning, and may well do so further.
The tide has turned from Russia wining quickly, militarily, to Russia wining very, very slowly, militarily.
The question is can they sustain this meat grinder, while the economy collapses from sanctions?
Not even convinced they will win slowly now. And even if they did, somehow, they would not be able to hold it without a massive permanent military presence, like the US in Afghanistan. And that's independent of the economic crisis.
It will be more like Iraq or Vietnam. Insurgency everywhere. A true nightmare
Putin needs a ‘win’ he can sell, and then a retreat to regroup. Get the sanctions lifted
He knows what happened in those countries, and in Afghanistan 1979-89. There's a simple way around it: kill or deport everyone. Make the country Russian by moving in ethnic Russians. Break the country by destroying its people.
Will he do it? If he gets control, then yes, he will. Sadly.
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
Sounds about right. We'll be at a month-long conflict before long and Russia's progress has been very slow of late. I struggle to see how they make a decisive breakthrough at this point.
A lot more gain and suffering to come unless a compromise can be found diplomatically.
The graphic shows the evolution in how confident people are that Russia will be defeated.
Encouraging for Ukraine, discouraging for Putin. A nation confidently united, like that, can literally never be defeated. Unless he deports them ALL to Siberia
I still don't see path to them regaining Donbas (never mind Crimea), but if they remain united like that it means the Leadership can presumably hold firmer against offering concessions to the Russians as the price for peace, on the basis that the Ukrainian people would rather not pay some prices.
I don't see why they couldn't get the Donbass back under some scenarios. I wouldn't rule out Crimea either. However that's easy for me to say, I'm not the one facing a humanitarian crisis. Unless Putin is prepared to use WMD (horrible thought) or starts calling up masses of reserves - 500,000? - it is hard to see him winning a military victory so long as the Ukrainian air force keeps flying and their army isn't decimated. I believe the Ukrainians are busy training reservists - I thought I saw a figure of 250,000 - which would give them superior numbers. Hopefully all the Nato weapons are getting there.
VVP never articulated the aims or schedule of Operation Ukrainian Freedom in anything other than the most ambiguous terms so he can declare victory whenever he wants.
We can surmise the aims were:
1. Regime change in Ukraine turning them into another gimp state like Belarus. 2. No NATO for Ukraine. 3. A more sustainable form for the DPR/LPR. 4. Land bridge to Crimea and deny Ukraine access to the Black Sea.
1. is looking like a stretch at the moment although they might get lucky and get Zeldisney. 2. That's a tick. 3. and 4. are looking achievable.
VVP might be inclined to settle for 2,3 & 4, work on getting sanctions lifted as the west eventually gets bored/greedy and then have another go 5-10 years hence and break off another piece.
Putin shows no great urgency to settle, but he doesn't seem to be pursuing any strategic objectives either, eg if he was really exercised about a more sustainable Donbas within the Russian sphere he would be focusing on that.
Putin is like Hitler in that respect and is a horror to deal with,
Tempted to back the Windies here the way England are playing.
Nah, what England are proving is that any attempt to increase the run rate on this pitch is suicidal but its not hard to bore your opponents to death as the Windies did in their innings, Braithwaite in particular. If I was Root I would give up and simply bat the day out. What's the point on wearing your bowlers out on such a pudding?
And now its raining again. One of my life's ambitions is to watch a test series in the Carribean drinking rum with some mates. I am so glad I didn't choose this one.
As usual the author allows his extreme dislike of the Prime Minister to overshadow any point he is trying to make. I rather doubt that the reporting of a tiny element of what was quite a good and certainly well received speech will have any lasting effect whatsoever on Johnson's period as PM. If people's living standards decline for a prolonged period and the opposition parties manage to put together a semi plausible scenario to allay that ( a huge task for them) then Johnson is doomed. But perhaps not otherwise.
By Johnson's recent standards (the last 30 years?) and with a far lower expectation than that demanded of any other senior UK politician, the speech was surprising well presented.
Even if one edits out the analogy that the EU is tantamount to Putin's Russia, there remains an awful lot of, shall we call it, absolute b****cks?
Part of Boris's problem is that he has burnt through a lot of people's reserves of benefit-of-the-doubt. His role in Vote Leave didn't help, but neither did Dom in Durham, sitting on the Russia Report, crisis school meals, Paterson, parties... It's quite a list. And looking at his CV, it's what he does and why he has that Cavalier swagger that people find attractive.
But losing the BotD means that the rest of us are less inclined to give him credit when the boy does good and more inclined to believe the worst when he doesn't. See Blair post-Iraq or Major post-Black Wednesday.
Not entirely fair, but human nature. And frankly, a PM expecting sympathy because politics is unfair is as absurd as a fish complaining that water is wet.
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
I've been following that site for a while, Josias. It has been consistently restrained and well-balanced.
At the outset it was deeply pessimistic about the prospects of Ukraine and its army. It has gradually modified its view and the report to which you refer is the most optimistic assessment they have produced yet.
My reading of the situation is that the ISW doesn't want to raise false expectations, especially as Russia may yet resort to chemical or tactical nuclear weapons. Nevertheless it is impossible to read their coverage without inferring that the tide has been turning, and may well do so further.
The tide has turned from Russia wining quickly, militarily, to Russia wining very, very slowly, militarily.
The question is can they sustain this meat grinder, while the economy collapses from sanctions?
Not even convinced they will win slowly now. And even if they did, somehow, they would not be able to hold it without a massive permanent military presence, like the US in Afghanistan. And that's independent of the economic crisis.
It will be more like Iraq or Vietnam. Insurgency everywhere. A true nightmare
Putin needs a ‘win’ he can sell, and then a retreat to regroup. Get the sanctions lifted
He knows what happened in those countries, and in Afghanistan 1979-89. There's a simple way around it: kill or deport everyone. Make the country Russian by moving in ethnic Russians. Break the country by destroying its people.
Will he do it? If he gets control, then yes, he will. Sadly.
Deportations have already started from Mariupol. Forcible deportation is also a war crime.
The graphic shows the evolution in how confident people are that Russia will be defeated.
Encouraging for Ukraine, discouraging for Putin. A nation confidently united, like that, can literally never be defeated. Unless he deports them ALL to Siberia
I still don't see path to them regaining Donbas (never mind Crimea), but if they remain united like that it means the Leadership can presumably hold firmer against offering concessions to the Russians as the price for peace, on the basis that the Ukrainian people would rather not pay some prices.
I don't see why they couldn't get the Donbass back under some scenarios. I wouldn't rule out Crimea either. However that's easy for me to say, I'm not the one facing a humanitarian crisis. Unless Putin is prepared to use WMD (horrible thought) or starts calling up masses of reserves - 500,000? - it is hard to see him winning a military victory so long as the Ukrainian air force keeps flying and their army isn't decimated. I believe the Ukrainians are busy training reservists - I thought I saw a figure of 250,000 - which would give them superior numbers. Hopefully all the Nato weapons are getting there.
VVP never articulated the aims or schedule of Operation Ukrainian Freedom in anything other than the most ambiguous terms so he can declare victory whenever he wants.
We can surmise the aims were:
1. Regime change in Ukraine turning them into another gimp state like Belarus. 2. No NATO for Ukraine. 3. A more sustainable form for the DPR/LPR. 4. Land bridge to Crimea and deny Ukraine access to the Black Sea.
1. is looking like a stretch at the moment although they might get lucky and get Zeldisney. 2. That's a tick. 3. and 4. are looking achievable.
VVP might be inclined to settle for 2,3 & 4, work on getting sanctions lifted as the west eventually gets bored/greedy and then have another go 5-10 years hence and break off another piece.
Putin shows no great urgency to settle, but he doesn't seem to be pursuing any strategic objectives either, eg if he was really exercised about a more sustainable Donbas within the Russian sphere he would be focusing on that.
Putin is like Hitler in that respect and is a horror to deal with,
Fwiw I thinks he's smarter than Hitler but shares a similar tendency to press on his opponents' weaknesses, and if he finds they give way, press a little more. I think he's been genuinely surprised at the pushback this time.
Unlike Hitler, he's in charge of a pretty sclerotic regime, so hopefully that restricts the extent of the damage he can wreak.
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
I've been following that site for a while, Josias. It has been consistently restrained and well-balanced.
At the outset it was deeply pessimistic about the prospects of Ukraine and its army. It has gradually modified its view and the report to which you refer is the most optimistic assessment they have produced yet.
My reading of the situation is that the ISW doesn't want to raise false expectations, especially as Russia may yet resort to chemical or tactical nuclear weapons. Nevertheless it is impossible to read their coverage without inferring that the tide has been turning, and may well do so further.
The tide has turned from Russia wining quickly, militarily, to Russia wining very, very slowly, militarily.
The question is can they sustain this meat grinder, while the economy collapses from sanctions?
Not even convinced they will win slowly now. And even if they did, somehow, they would not be able to hold it without a massive permanent military presence, like the US in Afghanistan. And that's independent of the economic crisis.
It will be more like Iraq or Vietnam. Insurgency everywhere. A true nightmare
Putin needs a ‘win’ he can sell, and then a retreat to regroup. Get the sanctions lifted
He knows what happened in those countries, and in Afghanistan 1979-89. There's a simple way around it: kill or deport everyone. Make the country Russian by moving in ethnic Russians. Break the country by destroying its people.
Will he do it? If he gets control, then yes, he will. Sadly.
Deportations have already started from Mariupol. Forcible deportation is also a war crime.
Do you think that we should dispatch someone from the Met with a warrant?
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
I've been following that site for a while, Josias. It has been consistently restrained and well-balanced.
At the outset it was deeply pessimistic about the prospects of Ukraine and its army. It has gradually modified its view and the report to which you refer is the most optimistic assessment they have produced yet.
My reading of the situation is that the ISW doesn't want to raise false expectations, especially as Russia may yet resort to chemical or tactical nuclear weapons. Nevertheless it is impossible to read their coverage without inferring that the tide has been turning, and may well do so further.
The tide has turned from Russia wining quickly, militarily, to Russia wining very, very slowly, militarily.
The question is can they sustain this meat grinder, while the economy collapses from sanctions?
Not even convinced they will win slowly now. And even if they did, somehow, they would not be able to hold it without a massive permanent military presence, like the US in Afghanistan. And that's independent of the economic crisis.
It will be more like Iraq or Vietnam. Insurgency everywhere. A true nightmare
Putin needs a ‘win’ he can sell, and then a retreat to regroup. Get the sanctions lifted
He knows what happened in those countries, and in Afghanistan 1979-89. There's a simple way around it: kill or deport everyone. Make the country Russian by moving in ethnic Russians. Break the country by destroying its people.
Will he do it? If he gets control, then yes, he will. Sadly.
Deportations have already started from Mariupol. Forcible deportation is also a war crime.
You can certainly deport and kill people, but there are about 10 million people across the Donbass and the "land bridge". To kill at that scale you need Nazi scale crimes and I think that would bring outright war with NATO.
And that is the "easy" part. You then have to bring in ethnic Russians. Which ethnic Russians would want to move to war destroyed Ukraine?
I see Peter Hitchens' latest attempt to smear Ukraine involves mentioning that the football stadium in Ternopil is named after Roman Shukhevych - a Ukrainian nationalist and Nazi collaborator. The name is not used by the Ukrainian FA.
Of course the real problem with Ukraine is that it wants to integrate with the decadent west, that failing entity Hitchens so deplores.
Hitchens is a reactionary that hates democracy. No doubt he would have supported Lord Halifax for PM if he were alive during WW2.
Lord Halifax hated hitter and everything e stood for - see his diaries and letters.
He wasn't convinced that when France fell, that the UK could do better than simply not fighting, and preventing the Germans invading.
It is an interesting what-if - if the UK in 1940 had simply stopped attacking. Hitler would have pulled a lot more troops to the East, ready for his Big Mistake.
Without the war with Germany, the Japanese might not have been confident they could attack in 1941....
If we are to achieve net zero, how is there any common sense in trying to produce more CO2?
This is the time to massively invest in renewables and nuclear.
They are entirely compatible. 1. We need power next winter. If we can't get replacement gas then our gas-fired power stations are in trouble. Without them we have a big hole in our capabilities as we bet the farm on cheap gas imports to maximise profits. We may need to keep burning coal a bit longer whilst we change our capabilities. 2. We must invest into renewables. Not just erecting wind farms but actually making the turbines. Invest into tidal so that we can harness the huge tidal surges. Mass produced solar panels so that every house can have one. 3. But having done all that we still need oil. We aren't about to replace next week every truck engine with hydrogen so we need oil. We still need plastic so we still need oil. Better to use our own oil than be on the hook to someone else (see gas, point 1) 4. Nuclear is a massive dead end. We can't produce our own nuclear power stations any more from an engineering point of view, and even from a construction point of view they are very very very slow to put up and at vast cost. Better to sink the money into cheaper cleaner faster alternatives.
I have a Tesla on order to sit alongside our Ioniq EV. And I am advocating more domestic oil and gas production. The two are not incompatible.
On 4 nuclear may not be a dead end in the UK - but it depends on whether Rolls Royce’s mini nuke design works.
And the thing is we do need baseline power and there are no easy solutions there. If the wind doesn’t blow for a few days no amount of storage is going to help
It doesn't depend on whether they work (although having a nuclear sub reactor parked in your town is going to bring out a tsunami of NIMBY's). It depends on the cost. Of siting, planning permission, building, maintaining, defending, decommissioning. Boris hasn't told us any of the answers to those.
The nuke mini reactors are nearly certainly going to go on the sites of existing nuclear power stations. They have a fairly small footprint, and the sites have very large amounts of land "behind the fences". There are also the existing turbine halls to take the steam generated, the connections to the grid etc.
If you listen to the anti-nuke types, they are extremely worried by the possibility that because of this, the mini-nukes won't even get a "proper"* planning enquiry.
*One lasting decades.
Still nothing on the relative costs.
And they are still a new form of energy generation - that might have significant teething problems. A lot being taken on good faith - never wise with the nuclear industry.
The question on costs is hard to gauge at this point. They are, of course, a modification of existing nuclear reactor designs for submarines. The sizing seems to suggest something quite close to the reactors for the next generation of Trident submarines (PWR3).
So, rather than being a whole new design, they will be an evolution of an existing design. I would suspect that many components, such as the pressure vessel, will be very, very similar.
The resistance to the mini-nuke idea from the backers of traditional sized nuclear power stations has been interesting. They claimed that the re-use of military technology was an "unfair advantage". Which speaks volumes, to me.
AFAIK the proposed Rolls Royce Small Modular Reactor design isn't a modification of a nuclear submarine design. It's more that RR claims expertise because they have designed reactors for submarines.
From what I have seen SMRs shift the major capital cost risk from individual power stations to the SMR manufacturer for series production, ie a power station can purchase a couple of mini nukes rather than having to put up the cost of a large power station up front to get economy of scale. However RR (or more likely the UK taxpayer) will be in trouble if they don't sell these mini nukes in bulk. The challenges facing large nuclear power stations largely also apply to smaller ones
Currently there is one protoptype SMR being constructed in China. I am guessing we are talking 2040s for industrial production of a technology with some promise.
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
I've been following that site for a while, Josias. It has been consistently restrained and well-balanced.
At the outset it was deeply pessimistic about the prospects of Ukraine and its army. It has gradually modified its view and the report to which you refer is the most optimistic assessment they have produced yet.
My reading of the situation is that the ISW doesn't want to raise false expectations, especially as Russia may yet resort to chemical or tactical nuclear weapons. Nevertheless it is impossible to read their coverage without inferring that the tide has been turning, and may well do so further.
The tide has turned from Russia wining quickly, militarily, to Russia wining very, very slowly, militarily.
The question is can they sustain this meat grinder, while the economy collapses from sanctions?
Not even convinced they will win slowly now. And even if they did, somehow, they would not be able to hold it without a massive permanent military presence, like the US in Afghanistan. And that's independent of the economic crisis.
It will be more like Iraq or Vietnam. Insurgency everywhere. A true nightmare
Putin needs a ‘win’ he can sell, and then a retreat to regroup. Get the sanctions lifted
He knows what happened in those countries, and in Afghanistan 1979-89. There's a simple way around it: kill or deport everyone. Make the country Russian by moving in ethnic Russians. Break the country by destroying its people.
Will he do it? If he gets control, then yes, he will. Sadly.
Deportations have already started from Mariupol. Forcible deportation is also a war crime.
Some detail. https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1505264048002240515 Several thousand Mariupol residents were illegally deported to Russia over the past week Acc to Oblast Council, they were taken to filtration camps. After their phones and docs inspection, some were driven to remote Russian cities; others' fate is unknown https://t.me/mariupolrada/8913 The deported Mariupol residents are mostly women and kids who were hiding in shelters in the Left Bank district. Fightings took place there. To save people's lives, Ukraine's army withdrew from these places of mass gathering. Russian army made use of it illegally deporting locals
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
Sounds about right. We'll be at a month-long conflict before long and Russia's progress has been very slow of late. I struggle to see how they make a decisive breakthrough at this point.
A lot more gain and suffering to come unless a compromise can be found diplomatically.
Whilst that is a reasonable assessment of the military situation, it ignores the war's collossal cost to Russia.
If it were not for its nuclear arsenal, I think you could dismiss Russia as a serious player in world affairs for the foreseeable future.
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
I've been following that site for a while, Josias. It has been consistently restrained and well-balanced.
At the outset it was deeply pessimistic about the prospects of Ukraine and its army. It has gradually modified its view and the report to which you refer is the most optimistic assessment they have produced yet.
My reading of the situation is that the ISW doesn't want to raise false expectations, especially as Russia may yet resort to chemical or tactical nuclear weapons. Nevertheless it is impossible to read their coverage without inferring that the tide has been turning, and may well do so further.
The tide has turned from Russia wining quickly, militarily, to Russia wining very, very slowly, militarily.
The question is can they sustain this meat grinder, while the economy collapses from sanctions?
Not even convinced they will win slowly now. And even if they did, somehow, they would not be able to hold it without a massive permanent military presence, like the US in Afghanistan. And that's independent of the economic crisis.
It will be more like Iraq or Vietnam. Insurgency everywhere. A true nightmare
Putin needs a ‘win’ he can sell, and then a retreat to regroup. Get the sanctions lifted
He knows what happened in those countries, and in Afghanistan 1979-89. There's a simple way around it: kill or deport everyone. Make the country Russian by moving in ethnic Russians. Break the country by destroying its people.
Will he do it? If he gets control, then yes, he will. Sadly.
Deportations have already started from Mariupol. Forcible deportation is also a war crime.
You can certainly deport and kill people, but there are about 10 million people across the Donbass and the "land bridge". To kill at that scale you need Nazi scale crimes and I think that would bring outright war with NATO.
And that is the "easy" part. You then have to bring in ethnic Russians. Which ethnic Russians would want to move to war destroyed Ukraine?
That’s scant consolation to the victims.
And it’s not impossible for the policy to succeed if Putin is just wanting to repopulate a southern corridor. He has levelled a city of 300k. Mass murder and deportation are not beyond him - indeed they are a deliberate instrument of policy.
I see Peter Hitchens' latest attempt to smear Ukraine involves mentioning that the football stadium in Ternopil is named after Roman Shukhevych - a Ukrainian nationalist and Nazi collaborator. The name is not used by the Ukrainian FA.
Of course the real problem with Ukraine is that it wants to integrate with the decadent west, that failing entity Hitchens so deplores.
Hitchens is a reactionary that hates democracy. No doubt he would have supported Lord Halifax for PM if he were alive during WW2.
Lord Halifax hated hitter and everything e stood for - see his diaries and letters.
He wasn't convinced that when France fell, that the UK could do better than simply not fighting, and preventing the Germans invading.
It is an interesting what-if - if the UK in 1940 had simply stopped attacking. Hitler would have pulled a lot more troops to the East, ready for his Big Mistake.
Without the war with Germany, the Japanese might not have been confident they could attack in 1941....
I know he did, but he was also a proponent for "who are we to judge" in later speeches and called for ending the war.
A better analogy than Boris's EU vs. Britain = Russia vs. Ukraine one would be a post-separation Scotland wanting to join the EU, but RUK, for strategic reasons, is very anti. It offers the RUK-friendly Scottish PM a wide-ranging trade deal with RUK if Scotland gives up it's attempt to join the EU. However, it all kicks off on the Scottish side, as the attempt by RUK to decide the course of Scotland's future is resented by many, and many others frankly just hate the bones of the English, so it doesn't matter that there's probably more benefit in the UK deal than the EU deal for Scotland, protests kick off (aided by the EU) and unseat the RUK favouring PM, replacing him with an EU-loving one. There's pretty much open dislike from then on, RUK accusing the EU of unwarranted interference in it's back yard, the EU insisting that the UK is being a bully and attempting to thwart the will of the Scottish people. Scottish people growing steadily less pro-RUK, except a significant English minority, who are just getting more and more nervous. Etc.
https://mobile.twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1505463587292254208 It's more convenient for them to turn the discourse over war crimes to a conspiracy fuelled debate over one incident, and make the entire debate about one thing, not a systematic pattern of crimes. Its exactly what they did in Syria, so let's not repeat the same pattern ourselves…
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
I've been following that site for a while, Josias. It has been consistently restrained and well-balanced.
At the outset it was deeply pessimistic about the prospects of Ukraine and its army. It has gradually modified its view and the report to which you refer is the most optimistic assessment they have produced yet.
My reading of the situation is that the ISW doesn't want to raise false expectations, especially as Russia may yet resort to chemical or tactical nuclear weapons. Nevertheless it is impossible to read their coverage without inferring that the tide has been turning, and may well do so further.
The tide has turned from Russia wining quickly, militarily, to Russia wining very, very slowly, militarily.
The question is can they sustain this meat grinder, while the economy collapses from sanctions?
Not even convinced they will win slowly now. And even if they did, somehow, they would not be able to hold it without a massive permanent military presence, like the US in Afghanistan. And that's independent of the economic crisis.
It will be more like Iraq or Vietnam. Insurgency everywhere. A true nightmare
Putin needs a ‘win’ he can sell, and then a retreat to regroup. Get the sanctions lifted
He knows what happened in those countries, and in Afghanistan 1979-89. There's a simple way around it: kill or deport everyone. Make the country Russian by moving in ethnic Russians. Break the country by destroying its people.
Will he do it? If he gets control, then yes, he will. Sadly.
Deportations have already started from Mariupol. Forcible deportation is also a war crime.
Do you think that we should dispatch someone from the Met with a warrant?
A better analogy than Boris's EU vs. Britain = Russia vs. Ukraine one would be a post-separation Scotland wanting to join the EU, but RUK, for strategic reasons, is very anti. It offers the RUK-friendly Scottish PM a wide-ranging trade deal with RUK if Scotland gives up it's attempt to join the EU. However, it all kicks off on the Scottish side, as the attempt by RUK to decide the course of Scotland's future is resented by many, and many others frankly just hate the bones of the English, so it doesn't matter that there's probably more benefit in the UK deal than the EU deal for Scotland, protests kick off (aided by the EU) and unseat the RUK favouring PM, replacing him with an EU-loving one. There's pretty much open dislike from then on, RUK accusing the EU of unwarranted interference in it's back yard, the EU insisting that the UK is being a bully and attempting to thwart the will of the Scottish people. Scottish people growing steadily less pro-RUK, except a significant English minority, who are just getting more and more nervous. Etc.
Except this doesn't seem to be anything like what is happening in Ukraine.
A better analogy than Boris's EU vs. Britain = Russia vs. Ukraine one would be a post-separation Scotland wanting to join the EU, but RUK, for strategic reasons, is very anti. It offers the RUK-friendly Scottish PM a wide-ranging trade deal with RUK if Scotland gives up it's attempt to join the EU. However, it all kicks off on the Scottish side, as the attempt by RUK to decide the course of Scotland's future is resented by many, and many others frankly just hate the bones of the English, so it doesn't matter that there's probably more benefit in the UK deal than the EU deal for Scotland, protests kick off (aided by the EU) and unseat the RUK favouring PM, replacing him with an EU-loving one. There's pretty much open dislike from then on, RUK accusing the EU of unwarranted interference in it's back yard, the EU insisting that the UK is being a bully and attempting to thwart the will of the Scottish people. Scottish people growing steadily less pro-RUK, except a significant English minority, who are just getting more and more nervous. Etc.
I’m missing the bit where, in any circumstances, thus would justify rUK invading Scotland, razing Edinburgh to the ground, deporting the surviving population to Wales and repopulating the country with a bunch of Sassenachs
https://mobile.twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1505463587292254208 It's more convenient for them to turn the discourse over war crimes to a conspiracy fuelled debate over one incident, and make the entire debate about one thing, not a systematic pattern of crimes. Its exactly what they did in Syria, so let's not repeat the same pattern ourselves…
I never know quite which Tweet to read first. I read them all, and don't feel particularly informed. Big 'incidents' are what shift public opinion and make world headlines. It's seems understandable therefore that argument would concentrate on those incidents.
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
I've been following that site for a while, Josias. It has been consistently restrained and well-balanced.
At the outset it was deeply pessimistic about the prospects of Ukraine and its army. It has gradually modified its view and the report to which you refer is the most optimistic assessment they have produced yet.
My reading of the situation is that the ISW doesn't want to raise false expectations, especially as Russia may yet resort to chemical or tactical nuclear weapons. Nevertheless it is impossible to read their coverage without inferring that the tide has been turning, and may well do so further.
The tide has turned from Russia wining quickly, militarily, to Russia wining very, very slowly, militarily.
The question is can they sustain this meat grinder, while the economy collapses from sanctions?
Not even convinced they will win slowly now. And even if they did, somehow, they would not be able to hold it without a massive permanent military presence, like the US in Afghanistan. And that's independent of the economic crisis.
It will be more like Iraq or Vietnam. Insurgency everywhere. A true nightmare
Putin needs a ‘win’ he can sell, and then a retreat to regroup. Get the sanctions lifted
He knows what happened in those countries, and in Afghanistan 1979-89. There's a simple way around it: kill or deport everyone. Make the country Russian by moving in ethnic Russians. Break the country by destroying its people.
Will he do it? If he gets control, then yes, he will. Sadly.
Deportations have already started from Mariupol. Forcible deportation is also a war crime.
Do you think that we should dispatch someone from the Met with a warrant?
As usual the author allows his extreme dislike of the Prime Minister to overshadow any point he is trying to make. I rather doubt that the reporting of a tiny element of what was quite a good and certainly well received speech will have any lasting effect whatsoever on Johnson's period as PM. If people's living standards decline for a prolonged period and the opposition parties manage to put together a semi plausible scenario to allay that ( a huge task for them) then Johnson is doomed. But perhaps not otherwise.
You seem content to have a liar and a clown as PM, fortunately most people on PB don' t share that view, including many current and ex-Tory voters and members.
The speech has been slammed across the board for his crass Brexit=Ukraine analogy. BTL comments on the Times, for example, were absolutely brutal. You might be safer back on UKIP Home.
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
Sounds about right. We'll be at a month-long conflict before long and Russia's progress has been very slow of late. I struggle to see how they make a decisive breakthrough at this point.
A lot more gain and suffering to come unless a compromise can be found diplomatically.
Whilst that is a reasonable assessment of the military situation, it ignores the war's collossal cost to Russia.
If it were not for its nuclear arsenal, I think you could dismiss Russia as a serious player in world affairs for the foreseeable future.
I agree with that.
Economically, Russia is in a tactically weak position (impact of sanctions, withdrawal of foreign investment), but in an even weaker strategic position. The acceleration of Europe moving away from Russian oil/gas will be impossible to avoid, and won't be coming back given the move to net zero. Demographics are already terrible and a prolonged war will only make them worse by killing off many young men.
What will keep them as a player is their nuclear arsenal and the fear they are more willing than most to use it. Few will fear their conventional warfare in the same way again so long as they under NATO's protection.
https://mobile.twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1505463587292254208 It's more convenient for them to turn the discourse over war crimes to a conspiracy fuelled debate over one incident, and make the entire debate about one thing, not a systematic pattern of crimes. Its exactly what they did in Syria, so let's not repeat the same pattern ourselves…
I never know quite which Tweet to read first. I read them all, and don't feel particularly informed. Big 'incidents' are what shift public opinion and make world headlines. It's seems understandable therefore that argument would concentrate on those incidents.
It really is simple. Have the Russians switched to a strategy of shelling civilian populations into submission and civilian infrastructure, including hospitals and cultural icons, into rubble? Yes or No. It is no more complex or falsely sophisticated than that.
A better analogy than Boris's EU vs. Britain = Russia vs. Ukraine one would be a post-separation Scotland wanting to join the EU, but RUK, for strategic reasons, is very anti. It offers the RUK-friendly Scottish PM a wide-ranging trade deal with RUK if Scotland gives up it's attempt to join the EU. However, it all kicks off on the Scottish side, as the attempt by RUK to decide the course of Scotland's future is resented by many, and many others frankly just hate the bones of the English, so it doesn't matter that there's probably more benefit in the UK deal than the EU deal for Scotland, protests kick off (aided by the EU) and unseat the RUK favouring PM, replacing him with an EU-loving one. There's pretty much open dislike from then on, RUK accusing the EU of unwarranted interference in it's back yard, the EU insisting that the UK is being a bully and attempting to thwart the will of the Scottish people. Scottish people growing steadily less pro-RUK, except a significant English minority, who are just getting more and more nervous. Etc.
I’m missing the bit where, in any circumstances, thus would justify rUK invading Scotland, razing Edinburgh to the ground, deporting the surviving population to Wales and repopulating the country with a bunch of Sassenachs
Well, it doesn't, as it doesn't in Russia's case either, but yet it's not impossible to see circumstances where the scenario might get really ugly.
As usual the author allows his extreme dislike of the Prime Minister to overshadow any point he is trying to make. I rather doubt that the reporting of a tiny element of what was quite a good and certainly well received speech will have any lasting effect whatsoever on Johnson's period as PM. If people's living standards decline for a prolonged period and the opposition parties manage to put together a semi plausible scenario to allay that ( a huge task for them) then Johnson is doomed. But perhaps not otherwise.
The PM's speech was "certainly well-received". At a Tory Party Conference? Well I never.
If we are to achieve net zero, how is there any common sense in trying to produce more CO2?
This is the time to massively invest in renewables and nuclear.
They are entirely compatible. 1. We need power next winter. If we can't get replacement gas then our gas-fired power stations are in trouble. Without them we have a big hole in our capabilities as we bet the farm on cheap gas imports to maximise profits. We may need to keep burning coal a bit longer whilst we change our capabilities. 2. We must invest into renewables. Not just erecting wind farms but actually making the turbines. Invest into tidal so that we can harness the huge tidal surges. Mass produced solar panels so that every house can have one. 3. But having done all that we still need oil. We aren't about to replace next week every truck engine with hydrogen so we need oil. We still need plastic so we still need oil. Better to use our own oil than be on the hook to someone else (see gas, point 1) 4. Nuclear is a massive dead end. We can't produce our own nuclear power stations any more from an engineering point of view, and even from a construction point of view they are very very very slow to put up and at vast cost. Better to sink the money into cheaper cleaner faster alternatives.
I have a Tesla on order to sit alongside our Ioniq EV. And I am advocating more domestic oil and gas production. The two are not incompatible.
On 4 nuclear may not be a dead end in the UK - but it depends on whether Rolls Royce’s mini nuke design works.
And the thing is we do need baseline power and there are no easy solutions there. If the wind doesn’t blow for a few days no amount of storage is going to help
It doesn't depend on whether they work (although having a nuclear sub reactor parked in your town is going to bring out a tsunami of NIMBY's). It depends on the cost. Of siting, planning permission, building, maintaining, defending, decommissioning. Boris hasn't told us any of the answers to those.
The nuke mini reactors are nearly certainly going to go on the sites of existing nuclear power stations. They have a fairly small footprint, and the sites have very large amounts of land "behind the fences". There are also the existing turbine halls to take the steam generated, the connections to the grid etc.
If you listen to the anti-nuke types, they are extremely worried by the possibility that because of this, the mini-nukes won't even get a "proper"* planning enquiry.
*One lasting decades.
Still nothing on the relative costs.
And they are still a new form of energy generation - that might have significant teething problems. A lot being taken on good faith - never wise with the nuclear industry.
The question on costs is hard to gauge at this point. They are, of course, a modification of existing nuclear reactor designs for submarines. The sizing seems to suggest something quite close to the reactors for the next generation of Trident submarines (PWR3).
So, rather than being a whole new design, they will be an evolution of an existing design. I would suspect that many components, such as the pressure vessel, will be very, very similar.
The resistance to the mini-nuke idea from the backers of traditional sized nuclear power stations has been interesting. They claimed that the re-use of military technology was an "unfair advantage". Which speaks volumes, to me.
AFAIK the proposed Rolls Royce Small Modular Reactor design isn't a modification of a nuclear submarine design. It's more that RR claims expertise because they have designed reactors for submarines.
From what I have seen SMRs shift the major capital cost risk from individual power stations to the SMR manufacturer for series production, ie a power station can purchase a couple of mini nukes rather than having to put up the cost of a large power station up front to get economy of scale. However RR (or more likely the UK taxpayer) will be in trouble if they don't sell these mini nukes in bulk. The challenges facing large nuclear power stations largely also apply to smaller ones
Currently there is one protoptype SMR being constructed in China. I am guessing we are talking 2040s for industrial production of a technology with some promise.
By which time, we could have 10-12 tidal lagoon power stations each several years into power production, each the size of Sizewell C/Hinkley C at a fraction of the cost, lasting much longer, at zero risk to the environment or the taxpayer (private equity builds them) and with virtually no abandonment costs.
Which does leave open the question - what the fuck is Boris playing at pushing nuclear?
As usual the author allows his extreme dislike of the Prime Minister to overshadow any point he is trying to make. I rather doubt that the reporting of a tiny element of what was quite a good and certainly well received speech will have any lasting effect whatsoever on Johnson's period as PM. If people's living standards decline for a prolonged period and the opposition parties manage to put together a semi plausible scenario to allay that ( a huge task for them) then Johnson is doomed. But perhaps not otherwise.
The PM's speech was "certainly well-received". At a Tory Party Conference? Well I never.
Jeffrey Archer once said he would guarantee the PM four minutes' standing ovation even if she read Das Kapital.
A better analogy than Boris's EU vs. Britain = Russia vs. Ukraine one would be a post-separation Scotland wanting to join the EU, but RUK, for strategic reasons, is very anti. It offers the RUK-friendly Scottish PM a wide-ranging trade deal with RUK if Scotland gives up it's attempt to join the EU. However, it all kicks off on the Scottish side, as the attempt by RUK to decide the course of Scotland's future is resented by many, and many others frankly just hate the bones of the English, so it doesn't matter that there's probably more benefit in the UK deal than the EU deal for Scotland, protests kick off (aided by the EU) and unseat the RUK favouring PM, replacing him with an EU-loving one. There's pretty much open dislike from then on, RUK accusing the EU of unwarranted interference in it's back yard, the EU insisting that the UK is being a bully and attempting to thwart the will of the Scottish people. Scottish people growing steadily less pro-RUK, except a significant English minority, who are just getting more and more nervous. Etc.
I’m missing the bit where, in any circumstances, thus would justify rUK invading Scotland, razing Edinburgh to the ground, deporting the surviving population to Wales and repopulating the country with a bunch of Sassenachs
Well, it doesn't, as it doesn't in Russia's case either, but yet it's not impossible to see circumstances where the scenario might get really ugly.
The word "impossible" is doing a lot of work there. The odds of that happening would be longer than 100,000 to 1.
If we are to achieve net zero, how is there any common sense in trying to produce more CO2?
This is the time to massively invest in renewables and nuclear.
They are entirely compatible. 1. We need power next winter. If we can't get replacement gas then our gas-fired power stations are in trouble. Without them we have a big hole in our capabilities as we bet the farm on cheap gas imports to maximise profits. We may need to keep burning coal a bit longer whilst we change our capabilities. 2. We must invest into renewables. Not just erecting wind farms but actually making the turbines. Invest into tidal so that we can harness the huge tidal surges. Mass produced solar panels so that every house can have one. 3. But having done all that we still need oil. We aren't about to replace next week every truck engine with hydrogen so we need oil. We still need plastic so we still need oil. Better to use our own oil than be on the hook to someone else (see gas, point 1) 4. Nuclear is a massive dead end. We can't produce our own nuclear power stations any more from an engineering point of view, and even from a construction point of view they are very very very slow to put up and at vast cost. Better to sink the money into cheaper cleaner faster alternatives.
I have a Tesla on order to sit alongside our Ioniq EV. And I am advocating more domestic oil and gas production. The two are not incompatible.
On 4 nuclear may not be a dead end in the UK - but it depends on whether Rolls Royce’s mini nuke design works.
And the thing is we do need baseline power and there are no easy solutions there. If the wind doesn’t blow for a few days no amount of storage is going to help
It doesn't depend on whether they work (although having a nuclear sub reactor parked in your town is going to bring out a tsunami of NIMBY's). It depends on the cost. Of siting, planning permission, building, maintaining, defending, decommissioning. Boris hasn't told us any of the answers to those.
The nuke mini reactors are nearly certainly going to go on the sites of existing nuclear power stations. They have a fairly small footprint, and the sites have very large amounts of land "behind the fences". There are also the existing turbine halls to take the steam generated, the connections to the grid etc.
If you listen to the anti-nuke types, they are extremely worried by the possibility that because of this, the mini-nukes won't even get a "proper"* planning enquiry.
*One lasting decades.
Still nothing on the relative costs.
And they are still a new form of energy generation - that might have significant teething problems. A lot being taken on good faith - never wise with the nuclear industry.
The question on costs is hard to gauge at this point. They are, of course, a modification of existing nuclear reactor designs for submarines. The sizing seems to suggest something quite close to the reactors for the next generation of Trident submarines (PWR3).
So, rather than being a whole new design, they will be an evolution of an existing design. I would suspect that many components, such as the pressure vessel, will be very, very similar.
The resistance to the mini-nuke idea from the backers of traditional sized nuclear power stations has been interesting. They claimed that the re-use of military technology was an "unfair advantage". Which speaks volumes, to me.
AFAIK the proposed Rolls Royce Small Modular Reactor design isn't a modification of a nuclear submarine design. It's more that RR claims expertise because they have designed reactors for submarines.
From what I have seen SMRs shift the major capital cost risk from individual power stations to the SMR manufacturer for series production, ie a power station can purchase a couple of mini nukes rather than having to put up the cost of a large power station up front to get economy of scale. However RR (or more likely the UK taxpayer) will be in trouble if they don't sell these mini nukes in bulk. The challenges facing large nuclear power stations largely also apply to smaller ones
Currently there is one protoptype SMR being constructed in China. I am guessing we are talking 2040s for industrial production of a technology with some promise.
By which time, we could have 10-12 tidal lagoon power stations each several years into power production, each the size of Sizewell C/Hinkley C at a fraction of the cost, lasting much longer, at zero risk to the environment or the taxpayer (private equity builds them) and with virtually no abandonment costs.
Which does leave open the question - what the fuck is Boris playing at pushing nuclear?
Why are you so confident that lagoons will not suffer massive price increases over their proponent's projections?
Polling shows Ukrainians see Britain as their third closest ally after neighbouring Poland and Lithuania, ahead of the United States. France and Germany are seventh and fifth from bottom respectively. What this shows is the importance Ukrainians are placing on military aid.
Russia starts conscripting population living in occupied Donbas to reinforce its armed forces fighting in Ukraine. This is a gross violation of international law, including Geneva Convention. Russian officials’ list of war crimes continues to expand. They will be held accountable https://mobile.twitter.com/OlegNikolenko_/status/1505277919366627336
Patrick Reevell @Reevellp · 18m Angry (and fearless) crowd confronting Russian troops in the occupied Ukrainian city of Energodar (home to the nuclear plant). A Russian soldier fires his rifle over his head but the crowd doesn’t flinch.
"Just possibly - fighting was getting closer and close to the hospital. So there were very few mothers-to-be there - mostly evacuated or sent to other places. But it is still a hospital....."
So the excuse for the low casualties is that they were incompetent - it fell in front of the hospital rather than destroying it. Perhaps they'll try harder next time. Use a hypersonic, vacuum bomb or something similar. In the meantime, we can criticise the Ukranians for exaggeration. I begin to think that they lie badly because it doesn't matter much. Only the domestic audience matters.
More that when they bombed a hospital, it was mostly empty. Because the Ukrainians were worried that the Russians might bomb the hospital.
Darn those Ukrainians for thinking that the Russians might do something they actually did and taking precautions.
The WHO have reported that they confirmed that 43 medical facilities have been attacked in the last 3 weeks.
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
Sounds about right. We'll be at a month-long conflict before long and Russia's progress has been very slow of late. I struggle to see how they make a decisive breakthrough at this point.
A lot more gain and suffering to come unless a compromise can be found diplomatically.
Whilst that is a reasonable assessment of the military situation, it ignores the war's collossal cost to Russia.
If it were not for its nuclear arsenal, I think you could dismiss Russia as a serious player in world affairs for the foreseeable future.
I agree with that.
Economically, Russia is in a tactically weak position (impact of sanctions, withdrawal of foreign investment), but in an even weaker strategic position. The acceleration of Europe moving away from Russian oil/gas will be impossible to avoid, and won't be coming back given the move to net zero. Demographics are already terrible and a prolonged war will only make them worse by killing off many young men.
What will keep them as a player is their nuclear arsenal and the fear they are more willing than most to use it. Few will fear their conventional warfare in the same way again so long as they under NATO's protection.
In land area and natural resources they are a super power. Not in any other respect. Only 11th in GDP they will drop further (much further?), aging demographics so cannot conduct high attrition warfare. Technologically second rate - their important arms export trade has just had its brand trashed. Dangers are many, especially given nukes. Ultra nationalist regime after humiliation meaning big conflict in a few years? Civil war where factions control the nukes? We (and Russians) might be lucky and a more pragmatic regime that tries to develop economy and constructively engage globally wins internal battle.
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
Sounds about right. We'll be at a month-long conflict before long and Russia's progress has been very slow of late. I struggle to see how they make a decisive breakthrough at this point.
A lot more gain and suffering to come unless a compromise can be found diplomatically.
Whilst that is a reasonable assessment of the military situation, it ignores the war's collossal cost to Russia.
If it were not for its nuclear arsenal, I think you could dismiss Russia as a serious player in world affairs for the foreseeable future.
I agree with that.
Economically, Russia is in a tactically weak position (impact of sanctions, withdrawal of foreign investment), but in an even weaker strategic position. The acceleration of Europe moving away from Russian oil/gas will be impossible to avoid, and won't be coming back given the move to net zero. Demographics are already terrible and a prolonged war will only make them worse by killing off many young men.
What will keep them as a player is their nuclear arsenal and the fear they are more willing than most to use it. Few will fear their conventional warfare in the same way again so long as they under NATO's protection.
Even their nuclear advantage will decline over time. It is unclear they can purchase all the inputs needed to maintain nukes over time. Plus the US is investing heavily in anti-missile technology via its close defense work with the Israelis. There could come a point in the future where the West could shoot all the nukes out of the sky.
If we are to achieve net zero, how is there any common sense in trying to produce more CO2?
This is the time to massively invest in renewables and nuclear.
They are entirely compatible. 1. We need power next winter. If we can't get replacement gas then our gas-fired power stations are in trouble. Without them we have a big hole in our capabilities as we bet the farm on cheap gas imports to maximise profits. We may need to keep burning coal a bit longer whilst we change our capabilities. 2. We must invest into renewables. Not just erecting wind farms but actually making the turbines. Invest into tidal so that we can harness the huge tidal surges. Mass produced solar panels so that every house can have one. 3. But having done all that we still need oil. We aren't about to replace next week every truck engine with hydrogen so we need oil. We still need plastic so we still need oil. Better to use our own oil than be on the hook to someone else (see gas, point 1) 4. Nuclear is a massive dead end. We can't produce our own nuclear power stations any more from an engineering point of view, and even from a construction point of view they are very very very slow to put up and at vast cost. Better to sink the money into cheaper cleaner faster alternatives.
I have a Tesla on order to sit alongside our Ioniq EV. And I am advocating more domestic oil and gas production. The two are not incompatible.
On 4 nuclear may not be a dead end in the UK - but it depends on whether Rolls Royce’s mini nuke design works.
And the thing is we do need baseline power and there are no easy solutions there. If the wind doesn’t blow for a few days no amount of storage is going to help
It doesn't depend on whether they work (although having a nuclear sub reactor parked in your town is going to bring out a tsunami of NIMBY's). It depends on the cost. Of siting, planning permission, building, maintaining, defending, decommissioning. Boris hasn't told us any of the answers to those.
The nuke mini reactors are nearly certainly going to go on the sites of existing nuclear power stations. They have a fairly small footprint, and the sites have very large amounts of land "behind the fences". There are also the existing turbine halls to take the steam generated, the connections to the grid etc.
If you listen to the anti-nuke types, they are extremely worried by the possibility that because of this, the mini-nukes won't even get a "proper"* planning enquiry.
*One lasting decades.
Still nothing on the relative costs.
And they are still a new form of energy generation - that might have significant teething problems. A lot being taken on good faith - never wise with the nuclear industry.
The question on costs is hard to gauge at this point. They are, of course, a modification of existing nuclear reactor designs for submarines. The sizing seems to suggest something quite close to the reactors for the next generation of Trident submarines (PWR3).
So, rather than being a whole new design, they will be an evolution of an existing design. I would suspect that many components, such as the pressure vessel, will be very, very similar.
The resistance to the mini-nuke idea from the backers of traditional sized nuclear power stations has been interesting. They claimed that the re-use of military technology was an "unfair advantage". Which speaks volumes, to me.
AFAIK the proposed Rolls Royce Small Modular Reactor design isn't a modification of a nuclear submarine design. It's more that RR claims expertise because they have designed reactors for submarines.
From what I have seen SMRs shift the major capital cost risk from individual power stations to the SMR manufacturer for series production, ie a power station can purchase a couple of mini nukes rather than having to put up the cost of a large power station up front to get economy of scale. However RR (or more likely the UK taxpayer) will be in trouble if they don't sell these mini nukes in bulk. The challenges facing large nuclear power stations largely also apply to smaller ones
Currently there is one protoptype SMR being constructed in China. I am guessing we are talking 2040s for industrial production of a technology with some promise.
By which time, we could have 10-12 tidal lagoon power stations each several years into power production, each the size of Sizewell C/Hinkley C at a fraction of the cost, lasting much longer, at zero risk to the environment or the taxpayer (private equity builds them) and with virtually no abandonment costs.
Which does leave open the question - what the fuck is Boris playing at pushing nuclear?
The other side of the question is what is wrong with tidal? Because the complete dislike of it is interesting…
If we are to achieve net zero, how is there any common sense in trying to produce more CO2?
This is the time to massively invest in renewables and nuclear.
They are entirely compatible. 1. We need power next winter. If we can't get replacement gas then our gas-fired power stations are in trouble. Without them we have a big hole in our capabilities as we bet the farm on cheap gas imports to maximise profits. We may need to keep burning coal a bit longer whilst we change our capabilities. 2. We must invest into renewables. Not just erecting wind farms but actually making the turbines. Invest into tidal so that we can harness the huge tidal surges. Mass produced solar panels so that every house can have one. 3. But having done all that we still need oil. We aren't about to replace next week every truck engine with hydrogen so we need oil. We still need plastic so we still need oil. Better to use our own oil than be on the hook to someone else (see gas, point 1) 4. Nuclear is a massive dead end. We can't produce our own nuclear power stations any more from an engineering point of view, and even from a construction point of view they are very very very slow to put up and at vast cost. Better to sink the money into cheaper cleaner faster alternatives.
I have a Tesla on order to sit alongside our Ioniq EV. And I am advocating more domestic oil and gas production. The two are not incompatible.
On 4 nuclear may not be a dead end in the UK - but it depends on whether Rolls Royce’s mini nuke design works.
And the thing is we do need baseline power and there are no easy solutions there. If the wind doesn’t blow for a few days no amount of storage is going to help
It doesn't depend on whether they work (although having a nuclear sub reactor parked in your town is going to bring out a tsunami of NIMBY's). It depends on the cost. Of siting, planning permission, building, maintaining, defending, decommissioning. Boris hasn't told us any of the answers to those.
The nuke mini reactors are nearly certainly going to go on the sites of existing nuclear power stations. They have a fairly small footprint, and the sites have very large amounts of land "behind the fences". There are also the existing turbine halls to take the steam generated, the connections to the grid etc.
If you listen to the anti-nuke types, they are extremely worried by the possibility that because of this, the mini-nukes won't even get a "proper"* planning enquiry.
*One lasting decades.
Still nothing on the relative costs.
And they are still a new form of energy generation - that might have significant teething problems. A lot being taken on good faith - never wise with the nuclear industry.
The question on costs is hard to gauge at this point. They are, of course, a modification of existing nuclear reactor designs for submarines. The sizing seems to suggest something quite close to the reactors for the next generation of Trident submarines (PWR3).
So, rather than being a whole new design, they will be an evolution of an existing design. I would suspect that many components, such as the pressure vessel, will be very, very similar.
The resistance to the mini-nuke idea from the backers of traditional sized nuclear power stations has been interesting. They claimed that the re-use of military technology was an "unfair advantage". Which speaks volumes, to me.
AFAIK the proposed Rolls Royce Small Modular Reactor design isn't a modification of a nuclear submarine design. It's more that RR claims expertise because they have designed reactors for submarines.
From what I have seen SMRs shift the major capital cost risk from individual power stations to the SMR manufacturer for series production, ie a power station can purchase a couple of mini nukes rather than having to put up the cost of a large power station up front to get economy of scale. However RR (or more likely the UK taxpayer) will be in trouble if they don't sell these mini nukes in bulk. The challenges facing large nuclear power stations largely also apply to smaller ones
Currently there is one protoptype SMR being constructed in China. I am guessing we are talking 2040s for industrial production of a technology with some promise.
By which time, we could have 10-12 tidal lagoon power stations each several years into power production, each the size of Sizewell C/Hinkley C at a fraction of the cost, lasting much longer, at zero risk to the environment or the taxpayer (private equity builds them) and with virtually no abandonment costs.
Which does leave open the question - what the fuck is Boris playing at pushing nuclear?
Why are you so confident that lagoons will not suffer massive price increases over their proponent's projections?
They are massive engineering structures.
I think that a more important factor is the environmental/planning issue.
Offshore wind farms got hammered through, because, to the anger of some in the environmental community, the old Polaris sales jingle still works*.
Mini-nukes on existing nuclear sites will get enough local support to be able to tell the environmental groups to piss off.
Tidal lagoons are simply too vulnerable to the planning issue.
Which is why I wonder if tidal turbines are not a better better. You can increment them, much more easily....
*"Put the missile out to see. Where it's far away from me".
If we are to achieve net zero, how is there any common sense in trying to produce more CO2?
This is the time to massively invest in renewables and nuclear.
They are entirely compatible. 1. We need power next winter. If we can't get replacement gas then our gas-fired power stations are in trouble. Without them we have a big hole in our capabilities as we bet the farm on cheap gas imports to maximise profits. We may need to keep burning coal a bit longer whilst we change our capabilities. 2. We must invest into renewables. Not just erecting wind farms but actually making the turbines. Invest into tidal so that we can harness the huge tidal surges. Mass produced solar panels so that every house can have one. 3. But having done all that we still need oil. We aren't about to replace next week every truck engine with hydrogen so we need oil. We still need plastic so we still need oil. Better to use our own oil than be on the hook to someone else (see gas, point 1) 4. Nuclear is a massive dead end. We can't produce our own nuclear power stations any more from an engineering point of view, and even from a construction point of view they are very very very slow to put up and at vast cost. Better to sink the money into cheaper cleaner faster alternatives.
I have a Tesla on order to sit alongside our Ioniq EV. And I am advocating more domestic oil and gas production. The two are not incompatible.
On 4 nuclear may not be a dead end in the UK - but it depends on whether Rolls Royce’s mini nuke design works.
And the thing is we do need baseline power and there are no easy solutions there. If the wind doesn’t blow for a few days no amount of storage is going to help
It doesn't depend on whether they work (although having a nuclear sub reactor parked in your town is going to bring out a tsunami of NIMBY's). It depends on the cost. Of siting, planning permission, building, maintaining, defending, decommissioning. Boris hasn't told us any of the answers to those.
The nuke mini reactors are nearly certainly going to go on the sites of existing nuclear power stations. They have a fairly small footprint, and the sites have very large amounts of land "behind the fences". There are also the existing turbine halls to take the steam generated, the connections to the grid etc.
If you listen to the anti-nuke types, they are extremely worried by the possibility that because of this, the mini-nukes won't even get a "proper"* planning enquiry.
*One lasting decades.
Still nothing on the relative costs.
And they are still a new form of energy generation - that might have significant teething problems. A lot being taken on good faith - never wise with the nuclear industry.
The question on costs is hard to gauge at this point. They are, of course, a modification of existing nuclear reactor designs for submarines. The sizing seems to suggest something quite close to the reactors for the next generation of Trident submarines (PWR3).
So, rather than being a whole new design, they will be an evolution of an existing design. I would suspect that many components, such as the pressure vessel, will be very, very similar.
The resistance to the mini-nuke idea from the backers of traditional sized nuclear power stations has been interesting. They claimed that the re-use of military technology was an "unfair advantage". Which speaks volumes, to me.
AFAIK the proposed Rolls Royce Small Modular Reactor design isn't a modification of a nuclear submarine design. It's more that RR claims expertise because they have designed reactors for submarines.
From what I have seen SMRs shift the major capital cost risk from individual power stations to the SMR manufacturer for series production, ie a power station can purchase a couple of mini nukes rather than having to put up the cost of a large power station up front to get economy of scale. However RR (or more likely the UK taxpayer) will be in trouble if they don't sell these mini nukes in bulk. The challenges facing large nuclear power stations largely also apply to smaller ones
Currently there is one protoptype SMR being constructed in China. I am guessing we are talking 2040s for industrial production of a technology with some promise.
By which time, we could have 10-12 tidal lagoon power stations each several years into power production, each the size of Sizewell C/Hinkley C at a fraction of the cost, lasting much longer, at zero risk to the environment or the taxpayer (private equity builds them) and with virtually no abandonment costs.
Which does leave open the question - what the fuck is Boris playing at pushing nuclear?
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By the way, can I just reiterate my suggestion of a saltwater jet, like the Jet D'Eau in Geneva, being engineered into the Swansea Bay scheme? More than anything, probably even his love of free holidays and posh totty, Boris wants a legacy. The Boris jet, the highest saltwater jet in the world, would be a huge icon and tourist attraction. He might even risk the displeasure of the powerful lobbies to make it happen. This is someone who insisted on a land bridge over the Irish sea.
Being optimistic, I don't think it's impossible that this will end with Russia baulking at the prospect of being dominated by China and ending up with a pro-Western reformist government.
A better analogy than Boris's EU vs. Britain = Russia vs. Ukraine one would be a post-separation Scotland wanting to join the EU, but RUK, for strategic reasons, is very anti. It offers the RUK-friendly Scottish PM a wide-ranging trade deal with RUK if Scotland gives up it's attempt to join the EU. However, it all kicks off on the Scottish side, as the attempt by RUK to decide the course of Scotland's future is resented by many, and many others frankly just hate the bones of the English, so it doesn't matter that there's probably more benefit in the UK deal than the EU deal for Scotland, protests kick off (aided by the EU) and unseat the RUK favouring PM, replacing him with an EU-loving one. There's pretty much open dislike from then on, RUK accusing the EU of unwarranted interference in it's back yard, the EU insisting that the UK is being a bully and attempting to thwart the will of the Scottish people. Scottish people growing steadily less pro-RUK, except a significant English minority, who are just getting more and more nervous. Etc.
Except this doesn't seem to be anything like what is happening in Ukraine.
Or, indeed, Scotland
No, it's what happened in Ukraine with EU accession and the Maidan protests.
Patrick Reevell @Reevellp · 18m Angry (and fearless) crowd confronting Russian troops in the occupied Ukrainian city of Energodar (home to the nuclear plant). A Russian soldier fires his rifle over his head but the crowd doesn’t flinch.
If we are to achieve net zero, how is there any common sense in trying to produce more CO2?
This is the time to massively invest in renewables and nuclear.
They are entirely compatible. 1. We need power next winter. If we can't get replacement gas then our gas-fired power stations are in trouble. Without them we have a big hole in our capabilities as we bet the farm on cheap gas imports to maximise profits. We may need to keep burning coal a bit longer whilst we change our capabilities. 2. We must invest into renewables. Not just erecting wind farms but actually making the turbines. Invest into tidal so that we can harness the huge tidal surges. Mass produced solar panels so that every house can have one. 3. But having done all that we still need oil. We aren't about to replace next week every truck engine with hydrogen so we need oil. We still need plastic so we still need oil. Better to use our own oil than be on the hook to someone else (see gas, point 1) 4. Nuclear is a massive dead end. We can't produce our own nuclear power stations any more from an engineering point of view, and even from a construction point of view they are very very very slow to put up and at vast cost. Better to sink the money into cheaper cleaner faster alternatives.
I have a Tesla on order to sit alongside our Ioniq EV. And I am advocating more domestic oil and gas production. The two are not incompatible.
On 4 nuclear may not be a dead end in the UK - but it depends on whether Rolls Royce’s mini nuke design works.
And the thing is we do need baseline power and there are no easy solutions there. If the wind doesn’t blow for a few days no amount of storage is going to help
It doesn't depend on whether they work (although having a nuclear sub reactor parked in your town is going to bring out a tsunami of NIMBY's). It depends on the cost. Of siting, planning permission, building, maintaining, defending, decommissioning. Boris hasn't told us any of the answers to those.
The nuke mini reactors are nearly certainly going to go on the sites of existing nuclear power stations. They have a fairly small footprint, and the sites have very large amounts of land "behind the fences". There are also the existing turbine halls to take the steam generated, the connections to the grid etc.
If you listen to the anti-nuke types, they are extremely worried by the possibility that because of this, the mini-nukes won't even get a "proper"* planning enquiry.
*One lasting decades.
Still nothing on the relative costs.
And they are still a new form of energy generation - that might have significant teething problems. A lot being taken on good faith - never wise with the nuclear industry.
The question on costs is hard to gauge at this point. They are, of course, a modification of existing nuclear reactor designs for submarines. The sizing seems to suggest something quite close to the reactors for the next generation of Trident submarines (PWR3).
So, rather than being a whole new design, they will be an evolution of an existing design. I would suspect that many components, such as the pressure vessel, will be very, very similar.
The resistance to the mini-nuke idea from the backers of traditional sized nuclear power stations has been interesting. They claimed that the re-use of military technology was an "unfair advantage". Which speaks volumes, to me.
AFAIK the proposed Rolls Royce Small Modular Reactor design isn't a modification of a nuclear submarine design. It's more that RR claims expertise because they have designed reactors for submarines.
From what I have seen SMRs shift the major capital cost risk from individual power stations to the SMR manufacturer for series production, ie a power station can purchase a couple of mini nukes rather than having to put up the cost of a large power station up front to get economy of scale. However RR (or more likely the UK taxpayer) will be in trouble if they don't sell these mini nukes in bulk. The challenges facing large nuclear power stations largely also apply to smaller ones
Currently there is one protoptype SMR being constructed in China. I am guessing we are talking 2040s for industrial production of a technology with some promise.
By which time, we could have 10-12 tidal lagoon power stations each several years into power production, each the size of Sizewell C/Hinkley C at a fraction of the cost, lasting much longer, at zero risk to the environment or the taxpayer (private equity builds them) and with virtually no abandonment costs.
Which does leave open the question - what the fuck is Boris playing at pushing nuclear?
The other side of the question is what is wrong with tidal? Because the complete dislike of it is interesting…
It means, effectively, deleting/reworking multiple square kilometres of shallow water seabed/tidal flats.
This gets the environmentalists who are interested in such areas very, very upset.
If we are to achieve net zero, how is there any common sense in trying to produce more CO2?
This is the time to massively invest in renewables and nuclear.
They are entirely compatible. 1. We need power next winter. If we can't get replacement gas then our gas-fired power stations are in trouble. Without them we have a big hole in our capabilities as we bet the farm on cheap gas imports to maximise profits. We may need to keep burning coal a bit longer whilst we change our capabilities. 2. We must invest into renewables. Not just erecting wind farms but actually making the turbines. Invest into tidal so that we can harness the huge tidal surges. Mass produced solar panels so that every house can have one. 3. But having done all that we still need oil. We aren't about to replace next week every truck engine with hydrogen so we need oil. We still need plastic so we still need oil. Better to use our own oil than be on the hook to someone else (see gas, point 1) 4. Nuclear is a massive dead end. We can't produce our own nuclear power stations any more from an engineering point of view, and even from a construction point of view they are very very very slow to put up and at vast cost. Better to sink the money into cheaper cleaner faster alternatives.
I have a Tesla on order to sit alongside our Ioniq EV. And I am advocating more domestic oil and gas production. The two are not incompatible.
On 4 nuclear may not be a dead end in the UK - but it depends on whether Rolls Royce’s mini nuke design works.
And the thing is we do need baseline power and there are no easy solutions there. If the wind doesn’t blow for a few days no amount of storage is going to help
It doesn't depend on whether they work (although having a nuclear sub reactor parked in your town is going to bring out a tsunami of NIMBY's). It depends on the cost. Of siting, planning permission, building, maintaining, defending, decommissioning. Boris hasn't told us any of the answers to those.
The nuke mini reactors are nearly certainly going to go on the sites of existing nuclear power stations. They have a fairly small footprint, and the sites have very large amounts of land "behind the fences". There are also the existing turbine halls to take the steam generated, the connections to the grid etc.
If you listen to the anti-nuke types, they are extremely worried by the possibility that because of this, the mini-nukes won't even get a "proper"* planning enquiry.
*One lasting decades.
Still nothing on the relative costs.
And they are still a new form of energy generation - that might have significant teething problems. A lot being taken on good faith - never wise with the nuclear industry.
The question on costs is hard to gauge at this point. They are, of course, a modification of existing nuclear reactor designs for submarines. The sizing seems to suggest something quite close to the reactors for the next generation of Trident submarines (PWR3).
So, rather than being a whole new design, they will be an evolution of an existing design. I would suspect that many components, such as the pressure vessel, will be very, very similar.
The resistance to the mini-nuke idea from the backers of traditional sized nuclear power stations has been interesting. They claimed that the re-use of military technology was an "unfair advantage". Which speaks volumes, to me.
AFAIK the proposed Rolls Royce Small Modular Reactor design isn't a modification of a nuclear submarine design. It's more that RR claims expertise because they have designed reactors for submarines.
From what I have seen SMRs shift the major capital cost risk from individual power stations to the SMR manufacturer for series production, ie a power station can purchase a couple of mini nukes rather than having to put up the cost of a large power station up front to get economy of scale. However RR (or more likely the UK taxpayer) will be in trouble if they don't sell these mini nukes in bulk. The challenges facing large nuclear power stations largely also apply to smaller ones
Currently there is one protoptype SMR being constructed in China. I am guessing we are talking 2040s for industrial production of a technology with some promise.
By which time, we could have 10-12 tidal lagoon power stations each several years into power production, each the size of Sizewell C/Hinkley C at a fraction of the cost, lasting much longer, at zero risk to the environment or the taxpayer (private equity builds them) and with virtually no abandonment costs.
Which does leave open the question - what the fuck is Boris playing at pushing nuclear?
Why are you so confident that lagoons will not suffer massive price increases over their proponent's projections?
They are massive engineering structures.
They are a sea wall. With 160 turbines in two banks of 80. Unless the seabed surveys have gone REALLY awry, they are very straightforward to construct and maintain. CV an untried nuclear option that might have issues. Probably will. They usually do. And have to put hands in the taxpayers' pocket to bail them out.
And even if lagoons got hit by costs that were doubled, they would still be a third cheaper than nuclear. And last 2, 3, 4 or more times as long. But there is no reason to believe that the costings are adrift at all.
(My background is the oil industry, where if cost overruns approach 10%, the operator is likely to get fired. Private sector vs public sector costings....public sector just gets a tut and a pay cheque.)
If we are to achieve net zero, how is there any common sense in trying to produce more CO2?
This is the time to massively invest in renewables and nuclear.
They are entirely compatible. 1. We need power next winter. If we can't get replacement gas then our gas-fired power stations are in trouble. Without them we have a big hole in our capabilities as we bet the farm on cheap gas imports to maximise profits. We may need to keep burning coal a bit longer whilst we change our capabilities. 2. We must invest into renewables. Not just erecting wind farms but actually making the turbines. Invest into tidal so that we can harness the huge tidal surges. Mass produced solar panels so that every house can have one. 3. But having done all that we still need oil. We aren't about to replace next week every truck engine with hydrogen so we need oil. We still need plastic so we still need oil. Better to use our own oil than be on the hook to someone else (see gas, point 1) 4. Nuclear is a massive dead end. We can't produce our own nuclear power stations any more from an engineering point of view, and even from a construction point of view they are very very very slow to put up and at vast cost. Better to sink the money into cheaper cleaner faster alternatives.
I have a Tesla on order to sit alongside our Ioniq EV. And I am advocating more domestic oil and gas production. The two are not incompatible.
On 4 nuclear may not be a dead end in the UK - but it depends on whether Rolls Royce’s mini nuke design works.
And the thing is we do need baseline power and there are no easy solutions there. If the wind doesn’t blow for a few days no amount of storage is going to help
It doesn't depend on whether they work (although having a nuclear sub reactor parked in your town is going to bring out a tsunami of NIMBY's). It depends on the cost. Of siting, planning permission, building, maintaining, defending, decommissioning. Boris hasn't told us any of the answers to those.
The nuke mini reactors are nearly certainly going to go on the sites of existing nuclear power stations. They have a fairly small footprint, and the sites have very large amounts of land "behind the fences". There are also the existing turbine halls to take the steam generated, the connections to the grid etc.
If you listen to the anti-nuke types, they are extremely worried by the possibility that because of this, the mini-nukes won't even get a "proper"* planning enquiry.
*One lasting decades.
Still nothing on the relative costs.
And they are still a new form of energy generation - that might have significant teething problems. A lot being taken on good faith - never wise with the nuclear industry.
The question on costs is hard to gauge at this point. They are, of course, a modification of existing nuclear reactor designs for submarines. The sizing seems to suggest something quite close to the reactors for the next generation of Trident submarines (PWR3).
So, rather than being a whole new design, they will be an evolution of an existing design. I would suspect that many components, such as the pressure vessel, will be very, very similar.
The resistance to the mini-nuke idea from the backers of traditional sized nuclear power stations has been interesting. They claimed that the re-use of military technology was an "unfair advantage". Which speaks volumes, to me.
AFAIK the proposed Rolls Royce Small Modular Reactor design isn't a modification of a nuclear submarine design. It's more that RR claims expertise because they have designed reactors for submarines.
From what I have seen SMRs shift the major capital cost risk from individual power stations to the SMR manufacturer for series production, ie a power station can purchase a couple of mini nukes rather than having to put up the cost of a large power station up front to get economy of scale. However RR (or more likely the UK taxpayer) will be in trouble if they don't sell these mini nukes in bulk. The challenges facing large nuclear power stations largely also apply to smaller ones
Currently there is one protoptype SMR being constructed in China. I am guessing we are talking 2040s for industrial production of a technology with some promise.
By which time, we could have 10-12 tidal lagoon power stations each several years into power production, each the size of Sizewell C/Hinkley C at a fraction of the cost, lasting much longer, at zero risk to the environment or the taxpayer (private equity builds them) and with virtually no abandonment costs.
Which does leave open the question - what the fuck is Boris playing at pushing nuclear?
£££
By the way, can I just reiterate my suggestion of a saltwater jet, like the Jet D'Eau in Geneva, being engineered into the Swansea Bay scheme? More than anything, probably even his love of free holidays and posh totty, Boris wants a legacy. The Boris jet, the highest saltwater jet in the world, would be a huge icon and tourist attraction. He might even risk the displeasure of the powerful lobbies to make it happen. This is someone who insisted on a land bridge over the Irish sea.
BJ comes all over Welsh would be excellent headline.
His track record over legacy projects isn't great, though the long term and permanent impairment of the Conservative and Unionist party looks promising.
If we are to achieve net zero, how is there any common sense in trying to produce more CO2?
This is the time to massively invest in renewables and nuclear.
They are entirely compatible. 1. We need power next winter. If we can't get replacement gas then our gas-fired power stations are in trouble. Without them we have a big hole in our capabilities as we bet the farm on cheap gas imports to maximise profits. We may need to keep burning coal a bit longer whilst we change our capabilities. 2. We must invest into renewables. Not just erecting wind farms but actually making the turbines. Invest into tidal so that we can harness the huge tidal surges. Mass produced solar panels so that every house can have one. 3. But having done all that we still need oil. We aren't about to replace next week every truck engine with hydrogen so we need oil. We still need plastic so we still need oil. Better to use our own oil than be on the hook to someone else (see gas, point 1) 4. Nuclear is a massive dead end. We can't produce our own nuclear power stations any more from an engineering point of view, and even from a construction point of view they are very very very slow to put up and at vast cost. Better to sink the money into cheaper cleaner faster alternatives.
I have a Tesla on order to sit alongside our Ioniq EV. And I am advocating more domestic oil and gas production. The two are not incompatible.
On 4 nuclear may not be a dead end in the UK - but it depends on whether Rolls Royce’s mini nuke design works.
And the thing is we do need baseline power and there are no easy solutions there. If the wind doesn’t blow for a few days no amount of storage is going to help
It doesn't depend on whether they work (although having a nuclear sub reactor parked in your town is going to bring out a tsunami of NIMBY's). It depends on the cost. Of siting, planning permission, building, maintaining, defending, decommissioning. Boris hasn't told us any of the answers to those.
The nuke mini reactors are nearly certainly going to go on the sites of existing nuclear power stations. They have a fairly small footprint, and the sites have very large amounts of land "behind the fences". There are also the existing turbine halls to take the steam generated, the connections to the grid etc.
If you listen to the anti-nuke types, they are extremely worried by the possibility that because of this, the mini-nukes won't even get a "proper"* planning enquiry.
*One lasting decades.
Still nothing on the relative costs.
And they are still a new form of energy generation - that might have significant teething problems. A lot being taken on good faith - never wise with the nuclear industry.
The question on costs is hard to gauge at this point. They are, of course, a modification of existing nuclear reactor designs for submarines. The sizing seems to suggest something quite close to the reactors for the next generation of Trident submarines (PWR3).
So, rather than being a whole new design, they will be an evolution of an existing design. I would suspect that many components, such as the pressure vessel, will be very, very similar.
The resistance to the mini-nuke idea from the backers of traditional sized nuclear power stations has been interesting. They claimed that the re-use of military technology was an "unfair advantage". Which speaks volumes, to me.
AFAIK the proposed Rolls Royce Small Modular Reactor design isn't a modification of a nuclear submarine design. It's more that RR claims expertise because they have designed reactors for submarines.
From what I have seen SMRs shift the major capital cost risk from individual power stations to the SMR manufacturer for series production, ie a power station can purchase a couple of mini nukes rather than having to put up the cost of a large power station up front to get economy of scale. However RR (or more likely the UK taxpayer) will be in trouble if they don't sell these mini nukes in bulk. The challenges facing large nuclear power stations largely also apply to smaller ones
Currently there is one protoptype SMR being constructed in China. I am guessing we are talking 2040s for industrial production of a technology with some promise.
By which time, we could have 10-12 tidal lagoon power stations each several years into power production, each the size of Sizewell C/Hinkley C at a fraction of the cost, lasting much longer, at zero risk to the environment or the taxpayer (private equity builds them) and with virtually no abandonment costs.
Which does leave open the question - what the fuck is Boris playing at pushing nuclear?
£££
By the way, can I just reiterate my suggestion of a saltwater jet, like the Jet D'Eau in Geneva, being engineered into the Swansea Bay scheme? More than anything, probably even his love of free holidays and posh totty, Boris wants a legacy. The Boris jet, the highest saltwater jet in the world, would be a huge icon and tourist attraction. He might even risk the displeasure of the powerful lobbies to make it happen. This is someone who insisted on a land bridge over the Irish sea.
Ummmm...A Boris Jet has given him a legacy all right, but you don't think 'tidal lagoons' when you hear it.
Russia starts conscripting population living in occupied Donbas to reinforce its armed forces fighting in Ukraine. This is a gross violation of international law, including Geneva Convention. Russian officials’ list of war crimes continues to expand. They will be held accountable https://mobile.twitter.com/OlegNikolenko_/status/1505277919366627336
More conscripts. That'll do the trick, Vlad.
Er, weeks back, wasn't Vlad firing generals because they, er, used conscripts that they weren't supposed to take to war? All very confusing. Almost as if Putin has double standards or something.
If we are to achieve net zero, how is there any common sense in trying to produce more CO2?
This is the time to massively invest in renewables and nuclear.
They are entirely compatible. 1. We need power next winter. If we can't get replacement gas then our gas-fired power stations are in trouble. Without them we have a big hole in our capabilities as we bet the farm on cheap gas imports to maximise profits. We may need to keep burning coal a bit longer whilst we change our capabilities. 2. We must invest into renewables. Not just erecting wind farms but actually making the turbines. Invest into tidal so that we can harness the huge tidal surges. Mass produced solar panels so that every house can have one. 3. But having done all that we still need oil. We aren't about to replace next week every truck engine with hydrogen so we need oil. We still need plastic so we still need oil. Better to use our own oil than be on the hook to someone else (see gas, point 1) 4. Nuclear is a massive dead end. We can't produce our own nuclear power stations any more from an engineering point of view, and even from a construction point of view they are very very very slow to put up and at vast cost. Better to sink the money into cheaper cleaner faster alternatives.
I have a Tesla on order to sit alongside our Ioniq EV. And I am advocating more domestic oil and gas production. The two are not incompatible.
On 4 nuclear may not be a dead end in the UK - but it depends on whether Rolls Royce’s mini nuke design works.
And the thing is we do need baseline power and there are no easy solutions there. If the wind doesn’t blow for a few days no amount of storage is going to help
It doesn't depend on whether they work (although having a nuclear sub reactor parked in your town is going to bring out a tsunami of NIMBY's). It depends on the cost. Of siting, planning permission, building, maintaining, defending, decommissioning. Boris hasn't told us any of the answers to those.
The nuke mini reactors are nearly certainly going to go on the sites of existing nuclear power stations. They have a fairly small footprint, and the sites have very large amounts of land "behind the fences". There are also the existing turbine halls to take the steam generated, the connections to the grid etc.
If you listen to the anti-nuke types, they are extremely worried by the possibility that because of this, the mini-nukes won't even get a "proper"* planning enquiry.
*One lasting decades.
Still nothing on the relative costs.
And they are still a new form of energy generation - that might have significant teething problems. A lot being taken on good faith - never wise with the nuclear industry.
The question on costs is hard to gauge at this point. They are, of course, a modification of existing nuclear reactor designs for submarines. The sizing seems to suggest something quite close to the reactors for the next generation of Trident submarines (PWR3).
So, rather than being a whole new design, they will be an evolution of an existing design. I would suspect that many components, such as the pressure vessel, will be very, very similar.
The resistance to the mini-nuke idea from the backers of traditional sized nuclear power stations has been interesting. They claimed that the re-use of military technology was an "unfair advantage". Which speaks volumes, to me.
AFAIK the proposed Rolls Royce Small Modular Reactor design isn't a modification of a nuclear submarine design. It's more that RR claims expertise because they have designed reactors for submarines.
From what I have seen SMRs shift the major capital cost risk from individual power stations to the SMR manufacturer for series production, ie a power station can purchase a couple of mini nukes rather than having to put up the cost of a large power station up front to get economy of scale. However RR (or more likely the UK taxpayer) will be in trouble if they don't sell these mini nukes in bulk. The challenges facing large nuclear power stations largely also apply to smaller ones
Currently there is one protoptype SMR being constructed in China. I am guessing we are talking 2040s for industrial production of a technology with some promise.
By which time, we could have 10-12 tidal lagoon power stations each several years into power production, each the size of Sizewell C/Hinkley C at a fraction of the cost, lasting much longer, at zero risk to the environment or the taxpayer (private equity builds them) and with virtually no abandonment costs.
Which does leave open the question - what the fuck is Boris playing at pushing nuclear?
£££
By the way, can I just reiterate my suggestion of a saltwater jet, like the Jet D'Eau in Geneva, being engineered into the Swansea Bay scheme? More than anything, probably even his love of free holidays and posh totty, Boris wants a legacy. The Boris jet, the highest saltwater jet in the world, would be a huge icon and tourist attraction. He might even risk the displeasure of the powerful lobbies to make it happen. This is someone who insisted on a land bridge over the Irish sea.
BJ comes all over Welsh would be excellent headline.
Russia starts conscripting population living in occupied Donbas to reinforce its armed forces fighting in Ukraine. This is a gross violation of international law, including Geneva Convention. Russian officials’ list of war crimes continues to expand. They will be held accountable https://mobile.twitter.com/OlegNikolenko_/status/1505277919366627336
More conscripts. That'll do the trick, Vlad.
Er, weeks back, wasn't Vlad firing generals because they, er, used conscripts that they weren't supposed to take to war? All very confusing. Almost as if Putin has double standards or something.
The way things are going he'll be running out of generals to fire very soon.
If we are to achieve net zero, how is there any common sense in trying to produce more CO2?
This is the time to massively invest in renewables and nuclear.
They are entirely compatible. 1. We need power next winter. If we can't get replacement gas then our gas-fired power stations are in trouble. Without them we have a big hole in our capabilities as we bet the farm on cheap gas imports to maximise profits. We may need to keep burning coal a bit longer whilst we change our capabilities. 2. We must invest into renewables. Not just erecting wind farms but actually making the turbines. Invest into tidal so that we can harness the huge tidal surges. Mass produced solar panels so that every house can have one. 3. But having done all that we still need oil. We aren't about to replace next week every truck engine with hydrogen so we need oil. We still need plastic so we still need oil. Better to use our own oil than be on the hook to someone else (see gas, point 1) 4. Nuclear is a massive dead end. We can't produce our own nuclear power stations any more from an engineering point of view, and even from a construction point of view they are very very very slow to put up and at vast cost. Better to sink the money into cheaper cleaner faster alternatives.
I have a Tesla on order to sit alongside our Ioniq EV. And I am advocating more domestic oil and gas production. The two are not incompatible.
On 4 nuclear may not be a dead end in the UK - but it depends on whether Rolls Royce’s mini nuke design works.
And the thing is we do need baseline power and there are no easy solutions there. If the wind doesn’t blow for a few days no amount of storage is going to help
It doesn't depend on whether they work (although having a nuclear sub reactor parked in your town is going to bring out a tsunami of NIMBY's). It depends on the cost. Of siting, planning permission, building, maintaining, defending, decommissioning. Boris hasn't told us any of the answers to those.
The nuke mini reactors are nearly certainly going to go on the sites of existing nuclear power stations. They have a fairly small footprint, and the sites have very large amounts of land "behind the fences". There are also the existing turbine halls to take the steam generated, the connections to the grid etc.
If you listen to the anti-nuke types, they are extremely worried by the possibility that because of this, the mini-nukes won't even get a "proper"* planning enquiry.
*One lasting decades.
Still nothing on the relative costs.
And they are still a new form of energy generation - that might have significant teething problems. A lot being taken on good faith - never wise with the nuclear industry.
The question on costs is hard to gauge at this point. They are, of course, a modification of existing nuclear reactor designs for submarines. The sizing seems to suggest something quite close to the reactors for the next generation of Trident submarines (PWR3).
So, rather than being a whole new design, they will be an evolution of an existing design. I would suspect that many components, such as the pressure vessel, will be very, very similar.
The resistance to the mini-nuke idea from the backers of traditional sized nuclear power stations has been interesting. They claimed that the re-use of military technology was an "unfair advantage". Which speaks volumes, to me.
AFAIK the proposed Rolls Royce Small Modular Reactor design isn't a modification of a nuclear submarine design. It's more that RR claims expertise because they have designed reactors for submarines.
From what I have seen SMRs shift the major capital cost risk from individual power stations to the SMR manufacturer for series production, ie a power station can purchase a couple of mini nukes rather than having to put up the cost of a large power station up front to get economy of scale. However RR (or more likely the UK taxpayer) will be in trouble if they don't sell these mini nukes in bulk. The challenges facing large nuclear power stations largely also apply to smaller ones
Currently there is one protoptype SMR being constructed in China. I am guessing we are talking 2040s for industrial production of a technology with some promise.
By which time, we could have 10-12 tidal lagoon power stations each several years into power production, each the size of Sizewell C/Hinkley C at a fraction of the cost, lasting much longer, at zero risk to the environment or the taxpayer (private equity builds them) and with virtually no abandonment costs.
Which does leave open the question - what the fuck is Boris playing at pushing nuclear?
Why are you so confident that lagoons will not suffer massive price increases over their proponent's projections?
They are massive engineering structures.
They are a sea wall. With 160 turbines in two banks of 80. Unless the seabed surveys have gone REALLY awry, they are very straightforward to construct and maintain. CV an untried nuclear option that might have issues. Probably will. They usually do. And have to put hands in the taxpayers' pocket to bail them out.
And even if lagoons got hit by costs that were doubled, they would still be a third cheaper than nuclear. And last 2, 3, 4 or more times as long. But there is no reason to believe that the costings are adrift at all.
(My background is the oil industry, where if cost overruns approach 10%, the operator is likely to get fired. Private sector vs public sector costings....public sector just gets a tut and a pay cheque.)
From an engineering pov, what is their maximum depth?
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A culture note from Psychology Today:
Seeing the good in others is thus a simple but very powerful way to feel happier and more confident, and become more loving and more productive in the world.
(and runs away, in anticipation of the approximately 36 "but ..." subclauses about to be added).
Darn those Ukrainians for thinking that the Russians might do something they actually did and taking precautions.
30 km queue already.
The dockers refusing to unload Russian gas perhaps a straw in the wind?
If activist citizens increase the sanctions to close to a blockade...
I feel it in my waters, within a few races the Merc will blow everyone out of the water.
"Absolutely nothing,
say it again, y'all."
(With thanks to Edwin Star)
The World Health Organization has verified 43 attacks on health care in the three weeks since Russia invaded Ukraine and says hundreds more facilities remain at risk.
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/17/1087209901/world-health-organization-ukraine?t=1647785262329
*Grabs tinfoil hat and ducks*
#TaintedTitle
https://twitter.com/thereclaimparty/status/1505497818215112709?s=20&t=MN2T68MjmiYHyfkvdryfPA
Malcolm Ross Newbury (Welsh migrant loving our innovative, industrious, democratic and independent union) thinks it's an entertaining antiwoke viewpoint of the situation.
Destroy to rebuild and control.
https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-19
Basically: the first Russian plan has failed, and we are heading for a bloody stalemate.
Of course the real problem with Ukraine is that it wants to integrate with the decadent west, that failing entity Hitchens so deplores.
I don’t think Mercedes will come up with a quick fix - it’s likely to take several races - but I haven’t yet written them off for the season.
If Red Bull and Ferrari stay close enough to each other, it’s not impossible for Mercedes to come trough the middle if they get their act together.
At the outset it was deeply pessimistic about the prospects of Ukraine and its army. It has gradually modified its view and the report to which you refer is the most optimistic assessment they have produced yet.
My reading of the situation is that the ISW doesn't want to raise false expectations, especially as Russia may yet resort to chemical or tactical nuclear weapons. Nevertheless it is impossible to read their coverage without inferring that the tide has been turning, and may well do so further.
Even if one edits out the analogy that the EU is tantamount to Putin's Russia, there remains an awful lot of, shall we call it, absolute b****cks?
The racing could indeed get spicy.
But Ferrari have two genuine contenders, while Bull have Perez.
Mutual DNFs are likely to see the other Ferrari on the top step.
The question is can they sustain this meat grinder, while the economy collapses from sanctions?
Can you please start backing anyone who plays Newcastle 😉
Putin needs a ‘win’ he can sell, and then a retreat to regroup. Get the sanctions lifted
Except when it's a strategic national goal, where they'll pay for it. And in a few decades time, say they want their 'investment' back ...
In the meantime, there will be less need for infrastructure as many non-Russian Ukrainians will be sent out of the country.
Not sure what Ukraine can do to change that.
https://mobile.twitter.com/OlegNikolenko_/status/1505277919366627336
Speaking to al-Jazeera television, Turkish presidential adviser Ibrahim Kalin said the two warring factions appeared to converge on four key points. He cited Moscow's demand from Ukraine to abandon the prospect of NATO membership, demilitarization, what the Kremlin calls "de-Naziization" and the protection of the Russian language in Ukraine.
Kalin also said that a permanent ceasefire could be achieved after a meeting between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and Vladimir Putin. However, the Putin side seems to "consider" that Kiev's positions on issues related to the future regime of Crimea and Donbass have not yet come close enough to the Russians that such a Putin-Zelensky meeting can be justified.
Will he do it? If he gets control, then yes, he will. Sadly.
A lot more gain and suffering to come unless a compromise can be found diplomatically.
Putin is like Hitler in that respect and is a horror to deal with,
And now its raining again. One of my life's ambitions is to watch a test series in the Carribean drinking rum with some mates. I am so glad I didn't choose this one.
But losing the BotD means that the rest of us are less inclined to give him credit when the boy does good and more inclined to believe the worst when he doesn't. See Blair post-Iraq or Major post-Black Wednesday.
Not entirely fair, but human nature. And frankly, a PM expecting sympathy because politics is unfair is as absurd as a fish complaining that water is wet.
Forcible deportation is also a war crime.
Unlike Hitler, he's in charge of a pretty sclerotic regime, so hopefully that restricts the extent of the damage he can wreak.
And that is the "easy" part. You then have to bring in ethnic Russians. Which ethnic Russians would want to move to war destroyed Ukraine?
He wasn't convinced that when France fell, that the UK could do better than simply not fighting, and preventing the Germans invading.
It is an interesting what-if - if the UK in 1940 had simply stopped attacking. Hitler would have pulled a lot more troops to the East, ready for his Big Mistake.
Without the war with Germany, the Japanese might not have been confident they could attack in 1941....
From what I have seen SMRs shift the major capital cost risk from individual power stations to the SMR manufacturer for series production, ie a power station can purchase a couple of mini nukes rather than having to put up the cost of a large power station up front to get economy of scale. However RR (or more likely the UK taxpayer) will be in trouble if they don't sell these mini nukes in bulk. The challenges facing large nuclear power stations largely also apply to smaller ones
Currently there is one protoptype SMR being constructed in China. I am guessing we are talking 2040s for industrial production of a technology with some promise.
https://mobile.twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1505264048002240515
Several thousand Mariupol residents were illegally deported to Russia over the past week
Acc to Oblast Council, they were taken to filtration camps. After their phones and docs inspection, some were driven to remote Russian cities; others' fate is unknown https://t.me/mariupolrada/8913
The deported Mariupol residents are mostly women and kids who were hiding in shelters in the Left Bank district. Fightings took place there. To save people's lives, Ukraine's army withdrew from these places of mass gathering. Russian army made use of it illegally deporting locals
If it were not for its nuclear arsenal, I think you could dismiss Russia as a serious player in world affairs for the foreseeable future.
And it’s not impossible for the policy to succeed if Putin is just wanting to repopulate a southern corridor.
He has levelled a city of 300k. Mass murder and deportation are not beyond him - indeed they are a deliberate instrument of policy.
https://mobile.twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1505463587292254208
It's more convenient for them to turn the discourse over war crimes to a conspiracy fuelled debate over one incident, and make the entire debate about one thing, not a systematic pattern of crimes. Its exactly what they did in Syria, so let's not repeat the same pattern ourselves…
I don't see them making that up quickly.
You have to say, this duel between Leclerc and Vercrashen is quite exciting though.
Or, indeed, Scotland
The speech has been slammed across the board for his crass Brexit=Ukraine analogy. BTL comments on the Times, for example, were absolutely brutal. You might be safer back on UKIP Home.
Economically, Russia is in a tactically weak position (impact of sanctions, withdrawal of foreign investment), but in an even weaker strategic position. The acceleration of Europe moving away from Russian oil/gas will be impossible to avoid, and won't be coming back given the move to net zero. Demographics are already terrible and a prolonged war will only make them worse by killing off many young men.
What will keep them as a player is their nuclear arsenal and the fear they are more willing than most to use it. Few will fear their conventional warfare in the same way again so long as they under NATO's protection.
Which does leave open the question - what the fuck is Boris playing at pushing nuclear?
For once, he was telling the truth.
They are massive engineering structures.
https://twitter.com/b_judah/status/1505566830496296964
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Angry (and fearless) crowd confronting Russian troops in the occupied Ukrainian city of Energodar (home to the nuclear plant).
A Russian soldier fires his rifle over his head but the crowd doesn’t flinch.
https://twitter.com/Reevellp/status/1505566638153809923
Offshore wind farms got hammered through, because, to the anger of some in the environmental community, the old Polaris sales jingle still works*.
Mini-nukes on existing nuclear sites will get enough local support to be able to tell the environmental groups to piss off.
Tidal lagoons are simply too vulnerable to the planning issue.
Which is why I wonder if tidal turbines are not a better better. You can increment them, much more easily....
*"Put the missile out to see. Where it's far away from me".
By the way, can I just reiterate my suggestion of a saltwater jet, like the Jet D'Eau in Geneva, being engineered into the Swansea Bay scheme? More than anything, probably even his love of free holidays and posh totty, Boris wants a legacy. The Boris jet, the highest saltwater jet in the world, would be a huge icon and tourist attraction. He might even risk the displeasure of the powerful lobbies to make it happen. This is someone who insisted on a land bridge over the Irish sea.
This gets the environmentalists who are interested in such areas very, very upset.
And even if lagoons got hit by costs that were doubled, they would still be a third cheaper than nuclear. And last 2, 3, 4 or more times as long. But there is no reason to believe that the costings are adrift at all.
(My background is the oil industry, where if cost overruns approach 10%, the operator is likely to get fired. Private sector vs public sector costings....public sector just gets a tut and a pay cheque.)
His track record over legacy projects isn't great, though the long term and permanent impairment of the Conservative and Unionist party looks promising.