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  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,790

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ON topic. The "World of Stonehenge" Exhibition at the British Museum is mind-spiningly good. Almost too much to take in. A superb haul of astonishing treasures. THE NEBRA SKY DISC

    If you get a chance, GO. We will not see its like again. It is one of THOSE shows

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/feb/15/the-world-of-stonehenge-review-british-museum

    "This is an exceptional exhibition, of the sort that leaves you almost bewildered at how much has been brought together into one large space at the same time. It truly is up there with the big blockbuster exhibitions of the sort that you remember for the rest of your life."

    https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/british-museums-stonehenge-exhibition-is-eye-poppingly-wonderful-51964/

    It didn’t excite me, although I fully agree that the sky disc was the standout exhibit
    It.... didn't excite you?

    Jesus. What would it take to excite you?

    It has 10,000 year old shamanic antler head dresses, enormous gold hats from France and Ireland, the gory remains of Europe's earliest battlefield, a 5000 year old chalk drum dedicated to three buried and hugging children, and it ends with William Blake etchings. It is incredible

    The chalk drum alone is worth the entry money. Never exhibited before.

    "The ‘Most Important’ Prehistoric Artwork to Be Discovered in the U.K. in a Century Is Finally Going on Public View at the British Museum"

    https://news.artnet.com/art-world/ancient-chalk-drum-discovery-2071538

    What does it lack? Stampeding dinosaurs?
    I went on the first day so it was very crowded. And prehistoric isn’t really a period that excites me to be honest as I struggle to feel much connection
    Fair enough. I adore a mystery. and love history, so mysterious history is catnip for me.

    One of the most amazing things in the show (of many many amazing things) is the burial of a shaman, who was interred with a flint axe which was ALREADY 1000 years old when the druid guy died. Did he just get lucky and find it, or was it handed down over a hundred generations?!

    And the 8000 year old skeleton and bone-dress of he German shamanic woman, with the weird deformations of her skull, which would have given her convulsions, leading to trance states...

    And the Irish mace head from Knowth. And the 6000 year old elm leaf. And ALL of Seahenge. And the cauldron from the Thames. And the cape made entirely of gold. And and and
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,227
    edited March 2022
    rcs1000 said:

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Rubio has been all over the news here in the US - he's been the Republican face of "Putin is evil, we must stand with the Ukrainians".

    I wonder if he's mulling another bid? If Trump were to get badly tarnished by the whole Putin thing, he could be an obvious beneficiary.
    Chubby Ted otoh is keeping quiet and hoping no one remembers him wanking over tough Russian soldiers*.

    *Not literally.
    **Probably.


    .

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,758

    AMEX suspends Russian service - in Russia and globally for any Russia issued cards

    They can't be far off being back to a bartering system now, surely.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,640
    Cicero said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    Could you be more wrong?
    Very often, though his skepticism on this one is probably not as far off the mark as sone.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,640

    rcs1000 said:

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Rubio has been all over the news here in the US - he's been the Republican face of "Putin is evil, we must stand with the Ukrainians".

    I wonder if he's mulling another bid? If Trump were to get badly tarnished by the whole Putin thing, he could be an obvious beneficiary.
    Chubby Ted otoh is keeping quiet and hoping no one remembers him wanking over tough Russian soldiers*.

    *Not literally.
    **Probably.


    .

    No one seems to like Ted Cruz - it's not like he's an authentic Trumper either, though he kissed the ring like all the others - so surprised he's not been successfully primaried.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,351

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ON topic. The "World of Stonehenge" Exhibition at the British Museum is mind-spiningly good. Almost too much to take in. A superb haul of astonishing treasures. THE NEBRA SKY DISC

    If you get a chance, GO. We will not see its like again. It is one of THOSE shows

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/feb/15/the-world-of-stonehenge-review-british-museum

    "This is an exceptional exhibition, of the sort that leaves you almost bewildered at how much has been brought together into one large space at the same time. It truly is up there with the big blockbuster exhibitions of the sort that you remember for the rest of your life."

    https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/british-museums-stonehenge-exhibition-is-eye-poppingly-wonderful-51964/

    It didn’t excite me, although I fully agree that the sky disc was the standout exhibit
    It.... didn't excite you?

    Jesus. What would it take to excite you?

    It has 10,000 year old shamanic antler head dresses, enormous gold hats from France and Ireland, the gory remains of Europe's earliest battlefield, a 5000 year old chalk drum dedicated to three buried and hugging children, and it ends with William Blake etchings. It is incredible

    The chalk drum alone is worth the entry money. Never exhibited before.

    "The ‘Most Important’ Prehistoric Artwork to Be Discovered in the U.K. in a Century Is Finally Going on Public View at the British Museum"

    https://news.artnet.com/art-world/ancient-chalk-drum-discovery-2071538

    What does it lack? Stampeding dinosaurs?
    I went on the first day so it was very crowded. And prehistoric isn’t really a period that excites me to be honest as I struggle to feel much connection
    If you self-identified as a beaker person, like Dr Foxy and I, it would seem more relevant. Getting on with my arriviste Welsh neighbours was often a trial but I usually succeeded.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,995
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    I give a monthly amount to Centrepoint homeless charity.
    And I frequently comment on PB, a distinguished global discussion forum for the great and the good (and some others).
    And I dedicated my life to working in the public sector, for the greater good.

    Can I have a peerage please? Thanks.
    You need to be a bit more focused with your charitable donations. Think of our poor, underfunded political parties who need your help.
    But the Liberal Democrats can't nominate many peers these days.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,022
    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Or Moldova see an opportunity in a moment of weakness for Russia to end the Russian occupation.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,995

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Or Moldova see an opportunity in a moment of weakness for Russia to end the Russian occupation.
    I wonder if Georgia might get the same idea over South Ossetia?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,640
    edited March 2022
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    I give a monthly amount to Centrepoint homeless charity.
    And I frequently comment on PB, a distinguished global discussion forum for the great and the good (and some others).
    And I dedicated my life to working in the public sector, for the greater good.

    Can I have a peerage please? Thanks.
    You need to be a bit more focused with your charitable donations. Think of our poor, underfunded political parties who need your help.
    But the Liberal Democrats can't nominate many peers these days.
    Well the Tories are pretty open about their 'donate several million and you get a peerage' policy, so if you don't have that much to give really that is your own fault. If you didn't want to be ignored why did you not become a millionaire or be born with money?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,570
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ON topic. The "World of Stonehenge" Exhibition at the British Museum is mind-spiningly good. Almost too much to take in. A superb haul of astonishing treasures. THE NEBRA SKY DISC

    If you get a chance, GO. We will not see its like again. It is one of THOSE shows

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/feb/15/the-world-of-stonehenge-review-british-museum

    "This is an exceptional exhibition, of the sort that leaves you almost bewildered at how much has been brought together into one large space at the same time. It truly is up there with the big blockbuster exhibitions of the sort that you remember for the rest of your life."

    https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/british-museums-stonehenge-exhibition-is-eye-poppingly-wonderful-51964/

    It didn’t excite me, although I fully agree that the sky disc was the standout exhibit
    It.... didn't excite you?

    Jesus. What would it take to excite you?

    It has 10,000 year old shamanic antler head dresses, enormous gold hats from France and Ireland, the gory remains of Europe's earliest battlefield, a 5000 year old chalk drum dedicated to three buried and hugging children, and it ends with William Blake etchings. It is incredible

    The chalk drum alone is worth the entry money. Never exhibited before.

    "The ‘Most Important’ Prehistoric Artwork to Be Discovered in the U.K. in a Century Is Finally Going on Public View at the British Museum"

    https://news.artnet.com/art-world/ancient-chalk-drum-discovery-2071538

    What does it lack? Stampeding dinosaurs?
    I went on the first day so it was very crowded. And prehistoric isn’t really a period that excites me to be honest as I struggle to feel much connection
    Fair enough. I adore a mystery. and love history, so mysterious history is catnip for me.

    One of the most amazing things in the show (of many many amazing things) is the burial of a shaman, who was interred with a flint axe which was ALREADY 1000 years old when the druid guy died. Did he just get lucky and find it, or was it handed down over a hundred generations?!

    And the 8000 year old skeleton and bone-dress of he German shamanic woman, with the weird deformations of her skull, which would have given her convulsions, leading to trance states...

    And the Irish mace head from Knowth. And the 6000 year old elm leaf. And ALL of Seahenge. And the cauldron from the Thames. And the cape made entirely of gold. And and and
    The German shamaness and Seahenge were fun. The flint axe slightly irritated me as they made such a big thing about the trade route to Europe
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,995
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    I give a monthly amount to Centrepoint homeless charity.
    And I frequently comment on PB, a distinguished global discussion forum for the great and the good (and some others).
    And I dedicated my life to working in the public sector, for the greater good.

    Can I have a peerage please? Thanks.
    You need to be a bit more focused with your charitable donations. Think of our poor, underfunded political parties who need your help.
    But the Liberal Democrats can't nominate many peers these days.
    Well the Tories are pretty open about their 'donate several million and you get a peerage' policy, so if you don't have that much to give really that is your own fault. If you didn't want to be ignored why did you not become a millionaire or be born with money?
    Damn, knew I'd got something wrong.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,640

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Or Moldova see an opportunity in a moment of weakness for Russia to end the Russian occupation.

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Or Moldova see an opportunity in a moment of weakness for Russia to end the Russian occupation.
    Would be nice, but losing their satellites seems like the sort of thing Putin really would nuke over. the crazy fool. Do they have the confidence and international support to launch assaults of their own, with the Russians playing the defenders? (notwithstanding Russia invaded or backed the separatist areas in the first place).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,283
    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    I give a monthly amount to Centrepoint homeless charity.
    And I frequently comment on PB, a distinguished global discussion forum for the great and the good (and some others).
    And I dedicated my life to working in the public sector, for the greater good.

    Can I have a peerage please? Thanks.
    You need to be a bit more focused with your charitable donations. Think of our poor, underfunded political parties who need your help.
    But the Liberal Democrats can't nominate many peers these days.
    Well the Tories are pretty open about their 'donate several million and you get a peerage' policy, so if you don't have that much to give really that is your own fault. If you didn't want to be ignored why did you not become a millionaire or be born with money?
    Of course the first PM to offer peerages for cash was not a Tory but a Liberal, Lloyd-George
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,351

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Or Moldova see an opportunity in a moment of weakness for Russia to end the Russian occupation.
    Does anyone think Rubio is on the receiving end of US intelligence (in either sense of the word)?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,732
    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cicero said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    Could you be more wrong?
    Er...yes. When he talked about the Ullapool to Inverness ferry, for a start.
    You haven't been invited on a cruise on that one yet?
    Maybe if you gave more to the homeless you'd be allowed on for a summer sailing.
    Last time I went on a cruise in Scotland it was from Fort William to Inverness, but we went via Fort Augustus not Ullapool.

    I also cycled quite a lot of the way, although I chickened out of cycling along Loch Ness to Inverness. It looked on the steep side.

    The trail by Loch Lochy was great though, and I actually made it all round the loch. This had nothing to do with the fact that I wasn't sure where the turning was and went straight past it...
    From memory, the road along Loch Ness only has a couple of steep bits, maybe at Drumnadrochit and Invermoriston. There certainly are worse roads for cycling in Scotland!

    That said, I'd never attempt to cycle the A82. It's a toxic mix of tourists looking for Nessie instead of looking where they're driving, and impatient locals overtaking round blind corners. I don't even like driving it.
    There's another road on the Foyers side that cyclists use. I think it was the main road before they built the A82. But like I say, it looked steep.

    Also, frankly, I fancied sailing along Loch Ness.
    The Great Glen Way along the northern bank of the loch is officially cyclable. I walked it a few years back (I've done some parts twice), and a mate cycled it pre-Covid. There are some steep bits, but the most annoying this is that the views over the loch were too often spoiled by forestry.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,775

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Or Moldova see an opportunity in a moment of weakness for Russia to end the Russian occupation.
    Does anyone think Rubio is on the receiving end of US intelligence (in either sense of the word)?
    He is Gang of Eight
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,640
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    I give a monthly amount to Centrepoint homeless charity.
    And I frequently comment on PB, a distinguished global discussion forum for the great and the good (and some others).
    And I dedicated my life to working in the public sector, for the greater good.

    Can I have a peerage please? Thanks.
    You need to be a bit more focused with your charitable donations. Think of our poor, underfunded political parties who need your help.
    But the Liberal Democrats can't nominate many peers these days.
    Well the Tories are pretty open about their 'donate several million and you get a peerage' policy, so if you don't have that much to give really that is your own fault. If you didn't want to be ignored why did you not become a millionaire or be born with money?
    Of course the first PM to offer peerages for cash was not a Tory but a Liberal, Lloyd-George
    Yes, quite some time ago. It's one of those things that is wrong no matter who does it, and no matter if someone else was even more brazen.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,529
    edited March 2022

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Or Moldova see an opportunity in a moment of weakness for Russia to end the Russian occupation.
    If Transnistria could be "demilitarised", it would be the first tangible strategic defeat for Russia as a result of their invasion of Ukraine.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,283
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Rubio has been all over the news here in the US - he's been the Republican face of "Putin is evil, we must stand with the Ukrainians".

    I wonder if he's mulling another bid? If Trump were to get badly tarnished by the whole Putin thing, he could be an obvious beneficiary.
    Chubby Ted otoh is keeping quiet and hoping no one remembers him wanking over tough Russian soldiers*.

    *Not literally.
    **Probably.


    .

    No one seems to like Ted Cruz - it's not like he's an authentic Trumper either, though he kissed the ring like all the others - so surprised he's not been successfully primaried.
    Cruz was relatively loyal to Trump in January 2020 and tried to block Biden's election even if he condemned the insurrection
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,136
    ydoethur said:

    AMEX suspends Russian service - in Russia and globally for any Russia issued cards

    Are they going to have any financial system left?
    Well nature and finance abhors a vacuum, but it will be many months before Wechat/Wepay can cover things and with no forex coming in, even the Chinese are not going to be in love with Roubles either. The Russiand have transferred what they coul in Yuan, but that creates its own problems and the Chinese are walking carefully. I think even Beijing has been shocked by how outraged the West is about this,
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,995
    edited March 2022
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    I give a monthly amount to Centrepoint homeless charity.
    And I frequently comment on PB, a distinguished global discussion forum for the great and the good (and some others).
    And I dedicated my life to working in the public sector, for the greater good.

    Can I have a peerage please? Thanks.
    You need to be a bit more focused with your charitable donations. Think of our poor, underfunded political parties who need your help.
    But the Liberal Democrats can't nominate many peers these days.
    Well the Tories are pretty open about their 'donate several million and you get a peerage' policy, so if you don't have that much to give really that is your own fault. If you didn't want to be ignored why did you not become a millionaire or be born with money?
    Of course the first PM to offer peerages for cash was not a Tory but a Liberal, Lloyd-George
    The first PM to offer peerages for cash was Robert Walpole.

    Lloyd George was actually not the first but the last to do so openly before it was banned in 1925.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,732

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cicero said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    Could you be more wrong?
    Er...yes. When he talked about the Ullapool to Inverness ferry, for a start.
    You haven't been invited on a cruise on that one yet?
    Maybe if you gave more to the homeless you'd be allowed on for a summer sailing.
    Last time I went on a cruise in Scotland it was from Fort William to Inverness, but we went via Fort Augustus not Ullapool.

    I also cycled quite a lot of the way, although I chickened out of cycling along Loch Ness to Inverness. It looked on the steep side.

    The trail by Loch Lochy was great though, and I actually made it all round the loch. This had nothing to do with the fact that I wasn't sure where the turning was and went straight past it...
    From memory, the road along Loch Ness only has a couple of steep bits, maybe at Drumnadrochit and Invermoriston. There certainly are worse roads for cycling in Scotland!

    That said, I'd never attempt to cycle the A82. It's a toxic mix of tourists looking for Nessie instead of looking where they're driving, and impatient locals overtaking round blind corners. I don't even like driving it.
    I wouldn't mind riding from Braemore to Ullapool as long as I didn't have to ride up there in the first place. A good way to check if the brakes are working.
    I'd go the other way, from Braemore head west to Gairloch.
    Certainly more scenic. I'm very fond of that neck of the woods - Anthrax Island and Inverewe Garden especially. And I see a Russian Arctic Convoy Exhibition has sprung up at Aultbea since I was last there. Hope they have a good season this year...
    Going off on a tangent, on some of those areas you get weird trig pillars. Cylindrical official Ordnance Survey ones (?Vanessa Pillars?) and 'traditional' trapezoid ones without flush brackets. The latter really confused me when I frst found them; it turns out they were built by the admiralty.

    I love trig pillars.

    Yes, I'm that sad.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,961
    Why aren't we hearing much about the Russian attack from the east into Kiev. We know about the convoy to the north but how close is the one to the east?
  • ydoethur said:

    AMEX suspends Russian service - in Russia and globally for any Russia issued cards

    Are they going to have any financial system left?
    Yes, China's UnionPay is going to step in and fill the breach caused by Visa, Mastercard, and AMEX.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,790
    edited March 2022

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    ON topic. The "World of Stonehenge" Exhibition at the British Museum is mind-spiningly good. Almost too much to take in. A superb haul of astonishing treasures. THE NEBRA SKY DISC

    If you get a chance, GO. We will not see its like again. It is one of THOSE shows

    https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/feb/15/the-world-of-stonehenge-review-british-museum

    "This is an exceptional exhibition, of the sort that leaves you almost bewildered at how much has been brought together into one large space at the same time. It truly is up there with the big blockbuster exhibitions of the sort that you remember for the rest of your life."

    https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/british-museums-stonehenge-exhibition-is-eye-poppingly-wonderful-51964/

    It didn’t excite me, although I fully agree that the sky disc was the standout exhibit
    It.... didn't excite you?

    Jesus. What would it take to excite you?

    It has 10,000 year old shamanic antler head dresses, enormous gold hats from France and Ireland, the gory remains of Europe's earliest battlefield, a 5000 year old chalk drum dedicated to three buried and hugging children, and it ends with William Blake etchings. It is incredible

    The chalk drum alone is worth the entry money. Never exhibited before.

    "The ‘Most Important’ Prehistoric Artwork to Be Discovered in the U.K. in a Century Is Finally Going on Public View at the British Museum"

    https://news.artnet.com/art-world/ancient-chalk-drum-discovery-2071538

    What does it lack? Stampeding dinosaurs?
    I went on the first day so it was very crowded. And prehistoric isn’t really a period that excites me to be honest as I struggle to feel much connection
    Fair enough. I adore a mystery. and love history, so mysterious history is catnip for me.

    One of the most amazing things in the show (of many many amazing things) is the burial of a shaman, who was interred with a flint axe which was ALREADY 1000 years old when the druid guy died. Did he just get lucky and find it, or was it handed down over a hundred generations?!

    And the 8000 year old skeleton and bone-dress of he German shamanic woman, with the weird deformations of her skull, which would have given her convulsions, leading to trance states...

    And the Irish mace head from Knowth. And the 6000 year old elm leaf. And ALL of Seahenge. And the cauldron from the Thames. And the cape made entirely of gold. And and and
    The German shamaness and Seahenge were fun. The flint axe slightly irritated me as they made such a big thing about the trade route to Europe
    The crowds did faintly annoy me, at times, but I don't know how you can have an epic, sell out, 5 star, blockbuster exhibition without crowds. Oh to have four hours there alone. Apparently the exhibition took TEN YEARS to organise.

    I will remember it for many years myself. And afterwards I took my older daughter for oysters and bouillabaisse at Fishworks by the Opera House. A perfect day in a bustling London. Sweet

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,283
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    I give a monthly amount to Centrepoint homeless charity.
    And I frequently comment on PB, a distinguished global discussion forum for the great and the good (and some others).
    And I dedicated my life to working in the public sector, for the greater good.

    Can I have a peerage please? Thanks.
    You need to be a bit more focused with your charitable donations. Think of our poor, underfunded political parties who need your help.
    But the Liberal Democrats can't nominate many peers these days.
    Well the Tories are pretty open about their 'donate several million and you get a peerage' policy, so if you don't have that much to give really that is your own fault. If you didn't want to be ignored why did you not become a millionaire or be born with money?
    Of course the first PM to offer peerages for cash was not a Tory but a Liberal, Lloyd-George
    The first PM to offer peerages for cash was Robert Walpole.

    Lloyd George was actually not the first but the last to do so openly before it was banned in 1925.
    Well Walpole was also a Whig, a party from which the Liberals ultimately emerged, not a Tory either
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,640
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Rubio has been all over the news here in the US - he's been the Republican face of "Putin is evil, we must stand with the Ukrainians".

    I wonder if he's mulling another bid? If Trump were to get badly tarnished by the whole Putin thing, he could be an obvious beneficiary.
    Chubby Ted otoh is keeping quiet and hoping no one remembers him wanking over tough Russian soldiers*.

    *Not literally.
    **Probably.


    .

    No one seems to like Ted Cruz - it's not like he's an authentic Trumper either, though he kissed the ring like all the others - so surprised he's not been successfully primaried.
    Cruz was relatively loyal to Trump in January 2020 and tried to block Biden's election even if he condemned the insurrection
    I was thinking more about how Trump tore him to shreds in the primaries, and he lashed out at Trump, then pathetically bent the knee.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,529
    edited March 2022
    TikTok no longer works in Russia because of the law about spreading "fake" information about the war in Ukraine.
  • FWIW Mastercard and VISA say their cards issued by Russian banks will continue to work in Russia until their expiry date.

    I suspect it will be the luck of the draw, if your card expires at the end of March 2022 then you're buggered, if you've got a card that expires in February 2027 you'll be fine.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,570

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Or Moldova see an opportunity in a moment of weakness for Russia to end the Russian occupation.
    Does anyone think Rubio is on the receiving end of US intelligence (in either sense of the word)?
    He’s on the Senate Intelligence Committee (or whatever they call it)
  • TikTok no longer works in Russia because of the law about spreading "fake" information about the war in Ukraine.

    So that's porn and TikTok not working properly in Russia, the youth of Russia will topple Putin within days.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,136
    ydoethur said:

    On topic, are we surprised that someone called BORIS is doing the bidding of Russia?

    He truly is Britain Trump.

    He's Boris, but he's not Gudenov for us.
    One of the best Private Eye Boobs was an advert for a performance of the magnificent opera Doris Gudenov.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,961
    Only national flag I can see at the stop the war coalition is the Soviet one.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,283
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Rubio has been all over the news here in the US - he's been the Republican face of "Putin is evil, we must stand with the Ukrainians".

    I wonder if he's mulling another bid? If Trump were to get badly tarnished by the whole Putin thing, he could be an obvious beneficiary.
    Chubby Ted otoh is keeping quiet and hoping no one remembers him wanking over tough Russian soldiers*.

    *Not literally.
    **Probably.


    .

    No one seems to like Ted Cruz - it's not like he's an authentic Trumper either, though he kissed the ring like all the others - so surprised he's not been successfully primaried.
    Cruz was relatively loyal to Trump in January 2020 and tried to block Biden's election even if he condemned the insurrection
    I was thinking more about how Trump tore him to shreds in the primaries, and he lashed out at Trump, then pathetically bent the knee.
    On some issues Cruz is actually right of Trump, he is more of a social conservative for example.

    However he knows for the moment he cannot be too anti Trump given his hold on the party
  • ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    I give a monthly amount to Centrepoint homeless charity.
    And I frequently comment on PB, a distinguished global discussion forum for the great and the good (and some others).
    And I dedicated my life to working in the public sector, for the greater good.

    Can I have a peerage please? Thanks.
    You need to be a bit more focused with your charitable donations. Think of our poor, underfunded political parties who need your help.
    But the Liberal Democrats can't nominate many peers these days.
    Well the Tories are pretty open about their 'donate several million and you get a peerage' policy, so if you don't have that much to give really that is your own fault. If you didn't want to be ignored why did you not become a millionaire or be born with money?
    Of course the first PM to offer peerages for cash was not a Tory but a Liberal, Lloyd-George
    The first PM to offer peerages for cash was Robert Walpole.

    Lloyd George was actually not the first but the last to do so openly before it was banned in 1925.
    Yet again demonstrating your knowledge of history over @HYUFD
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,640
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    I give a monthly amount to Centrepoint homeless charity.
    And I frequently comment on PB, a distinguished global discussion forum for the great and the good (and some others).
    And I dedicated my life to working in the public sector, for the greater good.

    Can I have a peerage please? Thanks.
    You need to be a bit more focused with your charitable donations. Think of our poor, underfunded political parties who need your help.
    But the Liberal Democrats can't nominate many peers these days.
    Well the Tories are pretty open about their 'donate several million and you get a peerage' policy, so if you don't have that much to give really that is your own fault. If you didn't want to be ignored why did you not become a millionaire or be born with money?
    Of course the first PM to offer peerages for cash was not a Tory but a Liberal, Lloyd-George
    The first PM to offer peerages for cash was Robert Walpole.

    Lloyd George was actually not the first but the last to do so openly before it was banned in 1925.
    If Boris wishes to be a long time PM perhaps Walpole would be more his speed. Truly a man of personal integrity.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,758
    You know you're on pb.com when the conversation turns to Walpole.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,640
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Rubio has been all over the news here in the US - he's been the Republican face of "Putin is evil, we must stand with the Ukrainians".

    I wonder if he's mulling another bid? If Trump were to get badly tarnished by the whole Putin thing, he could be an obvious beneficiary.
    Chubby Ted otoh is keeping quiet and hoping no one remembers him wanking over tough Russian soldiers*.

    *Not literally.
    **Probably.


    .

    No one seems to like Ted Cruz - it's not like he's an authentic Trumper either, though he kissed the ring like all the others - so surprised he's not been successfully primaried.
    Cruz was relatively loyal to Trump in January 2020 and tried to block Biden's election even if he condemned the insurrection
    I was thinking more about how Trump tore him to shreds in the primaries, and he lashed out at Trump, then pathetically bent the knee.
    On some issues Cruz is actually right of Trump, he is more of a social conservative for example.

    However he knows for the moment he cannot be too anti Trump given his hold on the party
    There's toning down the criticism because Trump has a hold on the party, and then there's reducing himself to stumping for him despite the opinion he'd expressed about him.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,529
    Melenchon was out campaigning today on a platform of pulling France out of NATO...

    https://twitter.com/JLMelenchon/status/1500490039473618951
  • glwglw Posts: 9,968

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Or Moldova see an opportunity in a moment of weakness for Russia to end the Russian occupation.
    Does anyone think Rubio is on the receiving end of US intelligence (in either sense of the word)?
    Yes, the US IC is legally required to brief the House and Senate Intelligence Committees about major operations. They are the few people outside the Oval Office who get briefed on things like Operation Neptune (killing Osama bin Laden).
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,584
    edited March 2022

    Why would Lebedev be a security risk? Are peers granted automatic access to state secrets? The House of Lords is just an impotent talking shop for has-been and never-were flatterees. It wouldn't matter if Putin himself was a member.

    Yes and no. The average backbench peer (like the average backbench MP) has no access to any secrets. Some committees that they might get onto do, and certainly there is very easy access to every front-bencher including the PM - just wander along to the lobby exit when there's a vote.

    This sounds possibly encouraging:
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-open-discussing-non-nato-models-negotiator-tells-fox-news-2022-03-06/

    - I've always thought it'd be easier to settle on the non-issue of NATO membership than the tricky stuff about Crimea, but it shows some genuine discussion in progress. Having some NATO-like defensive guarantees that actually work (i.e. really would involve a no-fly zone) but don't involve stationing NATO missiles and troops sounds potentially acceptable to both sides.

    Incidentally, I see the early reports that Visa and Mastercard are pulling out of Russia aren't quite right - they are pulling out of international transactions, but will still work for domestic ones as before. Essentially it blocks a sanctions loophole enabling oligarchs to order fur coats from Harrods using Mastercard.
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673
    Big antiwar protests across Russia:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/6/detentions-across-russia-anti-war-protests-monitor

    56 cities already. As the economic pain hits, these are likely to ramp up further.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,995
    edited March 2022

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    I give a monthly amount to Centrepoint homeless charity.
    And I frequently comment on PB, a distinguished global discussion forum for the great and the good (and some others).
    And I dedicated my life to working in the public sector, for the greater good.

    Can I have a peerage please? Thanks.
    You need to be a bit more focused with your charitable donations. Think of our poor, underfunded political parties who need your help.
    But the Liberal Democrats can't nominate many peers these days.
    Well the Tories are pretty open about their 'donate several million and you get a peerage' policy, so if you don't have that much to give really that is your own fault. If you didn't want to be ignored why did you not become a millionaire or be born with money?
    Of course the first PM to offer peerages for cash was not a Tory but a Liberal, Lloyd-George
    The first PM to offer peerages for cash was Robert Walpole.

    Lloyd George was actually not the first but the last to do so openly before it was banned in 1925.
    Yet again demonstrating your knowledge of history over @HYUFD
    He's read the literature.
    In this case, John Ramsden's The Longman History of the Conservative Party: The Age of Balfour and Baldwin.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,084
    Applicant said:

    Farooq said:

    Applicant said:

    One for the PB brains trust... I noticed when I was driving yesterday that the difference between unleaded and diesel prices is now huge - in many places 10p per litre or even more - when for years it's rarely been above 2p per litre.

    Is there any logical reason this would have happened?

    Earlier this week is was a penny per litre different round here, so not quite sure what's going round your way.
    Yeah, it was still around a penny per litre on Tuesday (the previous time I drove) but by yesterday other than Tesco (3p) the difference was 10p+ everywhere.
    Is there a shortage of diesel? Local Morrisons had none this afternoon.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,215
    HYUFD said:

    Unpopular said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    Of course, because Redwall voters can't think beyond anything but their tedious, immediate concerns, in between bouts of football fueled domestic violence. Trouble at Mill, heating their damp hovels and bashing brown immigrants are the only thoughts they're capable of articulating, if you can understand their lowbrow way of talking. The idea those thickos in the North might take a view on whether their Prime Minister is corrupt and may have invited a security risk into the legislature is patently absurd!

    Why, I bet they can't even spell legislature!
    Except you sound more like the very North London Remainer I was talking about than the average Tory now
    You are a Remainer. You voted Remain.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,022
    kle4 said:

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Or Moldova see an opportunity in a moment of weakness for Russia to end the Russian occupation.

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Or Moldova see an opportunity in a moment of weakness for Russia to end the Russian occupation.
    Would be nice, but losing their satellites seems like the sort of thing Putin really would nuke over. the crazy fool. Do they have the confidence and international support to launch assaults of their own, with the Russians playing the defenders? (notwithstanding Russia invaded or backed the separatist areas in the first place).
    Yes, if Russia was fighting three ex-Soviet republics all at once - and losing - then they might start to feel a bit panicky in the Kremlin, and that's risky.

    But for Moldova and Georgia, are they ever going to have a better opportunity?

    I've no idea what state their militaries are in. They might still be of the calibre that the Russians can beat up on.

    I did find it interesting that Georgia and Moldova submitted EU membership applications on the same day. Might be some coordination there.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,640

    Melenchon was out campaigning today on a platform of pulling France out of NATO...

    https://twitter.com/JLMelenchon/status/1500490039473618951

    Je propose la sortie de l'OTAN, organisation inutile qui provoque des tensions un peu partout.

    Je propose que nous construisions, nous Français, des alliances altermondialistes. Des alliances qui partent de la nécessité de l'intérêt général humain.


    I can't read French, but even I can see the first line is probably saying to exit (sortie) NATO because it 'provokes' tensions. Classic Putinist talk.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,640

    kle4 said:

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Or Moldova see an opportunity in a moment of weakness for Russia to end the Russian occupation.

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Or Moldova see an opportunity in a moment of weakness for Russia to end the Russian occupation.
    Would be nice, but losing their satellites seems like the sort of thing Putin really would nuke over. the crazy fool. Do they have the confidence and international support to launch assaults of their own, with the Russians playing the defenders? (notwithstanding Russia invaded or backed the separatist areas in the first place).
    Yes, if Russia was fighting three ex-Soviet republics all at once - and losing - then they might start to feel a bit panicky in the Kremlin, and that's risky.

    But for Moldova and Georgia, are they ever going to have a better opportunity?

    I've no idea what state their militaries are in. They might still be of the calibre that the Russians can beat up on.

    I did find it interesting that Georgia and Moldova submitted EU membership applications on the same day. Might be some coordination there.
    That is an interesting point. It probably is their best opportunity to regain them, but these things do take time.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,995

    Applicant said:

    Farooq said:

    Applicant said:

    One for the PB brains trust... I noticed when I was driving yesterday that the difference between unleaded and diesel prices is now huge - in many places 10p per litre or even more - when for years it's rarely been above 2p per litre.

    Is there any logical reason this would have happened?

    Earlier this week is was a penny per litre different round here, so not quite sure what's going round your way.
    Yeah, it was still around a penny per litre on Tuesday (the previous time I drove) but by yesterday other than Tesco (3p) the difference was 10p+ everywhere.
    Is there a shortage of diesel? Local Morrisons had none this afternoon.
    I would guess panic buying before the price climbs higher still.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,096
    edited March 2022
    kle4 said:

    Melenchon was out campaigning today on a platform of pulling France out of NATO...

    https://twitter.com/JLMelenchon/status/1500490039473618951

    Je propose la sortie de l'OTAN, organisation inutile qui provoque des tensions un peu partout.

    Je propose que nous construisions, nous Français, des alliances altermondialistes. Des alliances qui partent de la nécessité de l'intérêt général humain.


    I can't read French, but even I can see the first line is probably saying to exit (sortie) NATO because it 'provokes' tensions. Classic Putinist talk.
    He wants to exit NATO and form anti globalisation alliances (oh the irony of the latter, global anti globalisation alliances.)
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,961

    Why would Lebedev be a security risk? Are peers granted automatic access to state secrets? The House of Lords is just an impotent talking shop for has-been and never-were flatterees. It wouldn't matter if Putin himself was a member.

    Yes and no. The average backbench peer (like the average backbench MP) has no access to any secrets. Some committees that they might get onto do, and certainly there is very easy access to every front-bencher including the PM - just wander along to the lobby exit when there's a vote.

    This sounds possibly encouraging:
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-open-discussing-non-nato-models-negotiator-tells-fox-news-2022-03-06/

    - I've always thought it'd be easier to settle on the non-issue of NATO membership than the tricky stuff about Crimea, but it shows some genuine discussion in progress. Having some NATO-like defensive guarantees that actually work (i.e. really would involve a no-fly zone) but don't involve stationing NATO missiles and troops sounds potentially acceptable to both sides.

    Incidentally, I see the early reports that Visa and Mastercard are pulling out of Russia aren't quite right - they are pulling out of international transactions, but will still work for domestic ones as before. Essentially it blocks a sanctions loophole enabling oligarchs to order fur coats from Harrods using Mastercard.
    The trouble is that it was never really about Nato membership. The Kremlin wants to control Ukraine as part of its sphere of influence and the Ukrainians are desperate to avoid this. The Nato membership thing is a bit of a red herring. What it might do is give Putin some kind of 'win' if Zelenskyy has to stop going on about it. Any deal would have to provide security guarantees for Ukraine.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,283
    kle4 said:

    Melenchon was out campaigning today on a platform of pulling France out of NATO...

    https://twitter.com/JLMelenchon/status/1500490039473618951

    Je propose la sortie de l'OTAN, organisation inutile qui provoque des tensions un peu partout.

    Je propose que nous construisions, nous Français, des alliances altermondialistes. Des alliances qui partent de la nécessité de l'intérêt général humain.


    I can't read French, but even I can see the first line is probably saying to exit (sortie) NATO because it 'provokes' tensions. Classic Putinist talk.
    Melenchon is now even more pro Putin than Le Pen and Zemmour it seems.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    Certainly Lebedev is EXTREMELY worthy of being put into the House of Lords - by YOUR Prime Minister.


  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,995

    kle4 said:

    Melenchon was out campaigning today on a platform of pulling France out of NATO...

    https://twitter.com/JLMelenchon/status/1500490039473618951

    Je propose la sortie de l'OTAN, organisation inutile qui provoque des tensions un peu partout.

    Je propose que nous construisions, nous Français, des alliances altermondialistes. Des alliances qui partent de la nécessité de l'intérêt général humain.


    I can't read French, but even I can see the first line is probably saying to exit (sortie) NATO because it 'provokes' tensions. Classic Putinist talk.
    He wants to exit NATO and form an anti globalisation alliances (oh the irony of the latter, a global anti globalisation alliance.)
    These folks don't do irony, although they do try to steal elections,
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,064

    You know you're on pb.com when the conversation turns to Walpole.

    I called a company the other day to be answered by someone with an Australian accent. The person I wanted to speak to wasn't there so she said to email her and she'd pass it on. The person who answered the phone was called (surname) Asquith, she was surprised when I said as in the politician and said it was a relation.

    Now that, gentlemen, is how I roll.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,084
    Chris said:

    Any day now I expect to see a headline on this site reading something like "Kiev falls - will this make it harder for the Conservatives to keep control of Flittering Parish Council?"

    With a response from HYUFD explaining why the Conservatives would win 63.8% of the votes if Kiev doesn’t fall, but would still win 62.7% of the votes even if Kiev fell, and that the opposition had their chance in 2014, so won’t be allowed to run the council even if they won.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,283

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    I give a monthly amount to Centrepoint homeless charity.
    And I frequently comment on PB, a distinguished global discussion forum for the great and the good (and some others).
    And I dedicated my life to working in the public sector, for the greater good.

    Can I have a peerage please? Thanks.
    You need to be a bit more focused with your charitable donations. Think of our poor, underfunded political parties who need your help.
    But the Liberal Democrats can't nominate many peers these days.
    Well the Tories are pretty open about their 'donate several million and you get a peerage' policy, so if you don't have that much to give really that is your own fault. If you didn't want to be ignored why did you not become a millionaire or be born with money?
    Of course the first PM to offer peerages for cash was not a Tory but a Liberal, Lloyd-George
    The first PM to offer peerages for cash was Robert Walpole.

    Lloyd George was actually not the first but the last to do so openly before it was banned in 1925.
    Yet again demonstrating your knowledge of history over @HYUFD
    He's read the literature.
    But has he researched the original source material in the archives?
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    ydoethur said:

    Applicant said:

    Farooq said:

    Applicant said:

    One for the PB brains trust... I noticed when I was driving yesterday that the difference between unleaded and diesel prices is now huge - in many places 10p per litre or even more - when for years it's rarely been above 2p per litre.

    Is there any logical reason this would have happened?

    Earlier this week is was a penny per litre different round here, so not quite sure what's going round your way.
    Yeah, it was still around a penny per litre on Tuesday (the previous time I drove) but by yesterday other than Tesco (3p) the difference was 10p+ everywhere.
    Is there a shortage of diesel? Local Morrisons had none this afternoon.
    I would guess panic buying before the price climbs higher still.
    Possibly, but I can't see why that would apply to diesel more than unleaded.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,064
    Aslan said:

    Big antiwar protests across Russia:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/6/detentions-across-russia-anti-war-protests-monitor

    56 cities already. As the economic pain hits, these are likely to ramp up further.

    Speaking about showing solidarity with Ukraine the BBC on MOTD had its possession stats in yellow and blue indicating presumably support for Ukraine. Is the BBC allowed to show such support I wonder.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,995
    Applicant said:

    ydoethur said:

    Applicant said:

    Farooq said:

    Applicant said:

    One for the PB brains trust... I noticed when I was driving yesterday that the difference between unleaded and diesel prices is now huge - in many places 10p per litre or even more - when for years it's rarely been above 2p per litre.

    Is there any logical reason this would have happened?

    Earlier this week is was a penny per litre different round here, so not quite sure what's going round your way.
    Yeah, it was still around a penny per litre on Tuesday (the previous time I drove) but by yesterday other than Tesco (3p) the difference was 10p+ everywhere.
    Is there a shortage of diesel? Local Morrisons had none this afternoon.
    I would guess panic buying before the price climbs higher still.
    Possibly, but I can't see why that would apply to diesel more than unleaded.
    If the price is rising faster, maybe people are more unnerved by it?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,103
    Aslan said:

    Big antiwar protests across Russia:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/6/detentions-across-russia-anti-war-protests-monitor

    56 cities already. As the economic pain hits, these are likely to ramp up further.

    Plucky...very plucky. May their numbers multiply exponentially.
  • Chris said:

    Any day now I expect to see a headline on this site reading something like "Kiev falls - will this make it harder for the Conservatives to keep control of Flittering Parish Council?"

    With a response from HYUFD explaining why the Conservatives would win 63.8% of the votes if Kiev doesn’t fall, but would still win 62.7% of the votes even if Kiev fell, and that the opposition had their chance in 2014, so won’t be allowed to run the council even if they won.
    If I had the time, once of the pieces I was planning to publish this week was.

    Why Vladimir Putin is bad for Scottish Nationalism.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,147
    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    Melenchon was out campaigning today on a platform of pulling France out of NATO...

    https://twitter.com/JLMelenchon/status/1500490039473618951

    Je propose la sortie de l'OTAN, organisation inutile qui provoque des tensions un peu partout.

    Je propose que nous construisions, nous Français, des alliances altermondialistes. Des alliances qui partent de la nécessité de l'intérêt général humain.


    I can't read French, but even I can see the first line is probably saying to exit (sortie) NATO because it 'provokes' tensions. Classic Putinist talk.
    He wants to exit NATO and form an anti globalisation alliances (oh the irony of the latter, a global anti globalisation alliance.)
    These folks don't do irony, although they do try to steal elections,
    They may not do irony, but even my French is good enough to see that they DO do redundancy.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,283

    Chris said:

    Any day now I expect to see a headline on this site reading something like "Kiev falls - will this make it harder for the Conservatives to keep control of Flittering Parish Council?"

    With a response from HYUFD explaining why the Conservatives would win 63.8% of the votes if Kiev doesn’t fall, but would still win 62.7% of the votes even if Kiev fell, and that the opposition had their chance in 2014, so won’t be allowed to run the council even if they won.
    There is a Parish Council by election in Buckhurst Hill on Thursday aptly enough, a Conservative candidate v a Residents' Association candidate
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,640

    kle4 said:

    Melenchon was out campaigning today on a platform of pulling France out of NATO...

    https://twitter.com/JLMelenchon/status/1500490039473618951

    Je propose la sortie de l'OTAN, organisation inutile qui provoque des tensions un peu partout.

    Je propose que nous construisions, nous Français, des alliances altermondialistes. Des alliances qui partent de la nécessité de l'intérêt général humain.
    (oh the irony of the latter, global anti globalisation alliances.)
    Gods, it's like when ethno-nationalists form alliances with other ethno-nationalists.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,995
    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    Any day now I expect to see a headline on this site reading something like "Kiev falls - will this make it harder for the Conservatives to keep control of Flittering Parish Council?"

    With a response from HYUFD explaining why the Conservatives would win 63.8% of the votes if Kiev doesn’t fall, but would still win 62.7% of the votes even if Kiev fell, and that the opposition had their chance in 2014, so won’t be allowed to run the council even if they won.
    There is a Parish Council by election in Buckhurst Hill on Thursday aptly enough, a Conservative candidate v a Residents' Association candidate
    Which one is for a no-fly zone?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,961
    Do the Russians release figures for the number of people being arrested? I wouldn't have thought they would want to be honest about it.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,084
    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cicero said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    Could you be more wrong?
    Er...yes. When he talked about the Ullapool to Inverness ferry, for a start.
    You haven't been invited on a cruise on that one yet?
    Maybe if you gave more to the homeless you'd be allowed on for a summer sailing.
    Last time I went on a cruise in Scotland it was from Fort William to Inverness, but we went via Fort Augustus not Ullapool.

    I also cycled quite a lot of the way, although I chickened out of cycling along Loch Ness to Inverness. It looked on the steep side.

    The trail by Loch Lochy was great though, and I actually made it all round the loch. This had nothing to do with the fact that I wasn't sure where the turning was and went straight past it...
    From memory, the road along Loch Ness only has a couple of steep bits, maybe at Drumnadrochit and Invermoriston. There certainly are worse roads for cycling in Scotland!

    That said, I'd never attempt to cycle the A82. It's a toxic mix of tourists looking for Nessie instead of looking where they're driving, and impatient locals overtaking round blind corners. I don't even like driving it.
    There's another road on the Foyers side that cyclists use. I think it was the main road before they built the A82. But like I say, it looked steep.

    Also, frankly, I fancied sailing along Loch Ness.
    Plus it’s mostly single track with a big caravan site halfway along. Motorhomes and caravans coming the other way, driven by southerners who can’t deal with single track roads and don’t understand the concept of passing places.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Robert Walpole was of course a Whig. Meaning among other things that he was NOT in the pay of a foreign tyranny (in this case France) which of course was one of the hallmarks of Lord Bolingbroke's Tories during that period of history.

    Just as receiving much money from a foreign tyranny (in this case Russia) is emerging as a hallmark of Boris Johnson's Conservatives during THIS period.

    Facts is facts - that's history for you!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,147
    Aslan said:

    Big antiwar protests across Russia:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/6/detentions-across-russia-anti-war-protests-monitor

    56 cities already. As the economic pain hits, these are likely to ramp up further.

    This is true courage.
    Quite humbling.
    But will it make any difference? If a regime only cares about being feared, and doesn't really care whether it is loved or not, do protests ever have any effect?
    They did in Romania, I suppose. But not in Tiananmen Square.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    I give a monthly amount to Centrepoint homeless charity.
    And I frequently comment on PB, a distinguished global discussion forum for the great and the good (and some others).
    And I dedicated my life to working in the public sector, for the greater good.

    Can I have a peerage please? Thanks.
    You need to be a bit more focused with your charitable donations. Think of our poor, underfunded political parties who need your help.
    But the Liberal Democrats can't nominate many peers these days.
    Well the Tories are pretty open about their 'donate several million and you get a peerage' policy, so if you don't have that much to give really that is your own fault. If you didn't want to be ignored why did you not become a millionaire or be born with money?
    Of course the first PM to offer peerages for cash was not a Tory but a Liberal, Lloyd-George
    An example of the "history" that "true" Conservatives demand be taught in school?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,980

    Do the Russians release figures for the number of people being arrested? I wouldn't have thought they would want to be honest about it.

    Russians and honesty - wildly incompatible. I met a Russian once that I trusted. Never again. (The great bulk of Russians are of course just people, and I'd not say a word against them.)
  • Aslan said:

    Big antiwar protests across Russia:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/6/detentions-across-russia-anti-war-protests-monitor

    56 cities already. As the economic pain hits, these are likely to ramp up further.

    Plucky...very plucky. May their numbers multiply exponentially.
    There must come a point when it becomes impossible to detain them all, surely?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,215
    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    Any day now I expect to see a headline on this site reading something like "Kiev falls - will this make it harder for the Conservatives to keep control of Flittering Parish Council?"

    With a response from HYUFD explaining why the Conservatives would win 63.8% of the votes if Kiev doesn’t fall, but would still win 62.7% of the votes even if Kiev fell, and that the opposition had their chance in 2014, so won’t be allowed to run the council even if they won.
    There is a Parish Council by election in Buckhurst Hill on Thursday aptly enough, a Conservative candidate v a Residents' Association candidate
    Ah, Buckhurst Hill!
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=sunil060902+buckhurst&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    Melenchon was out campaigning today on a platform of pulling France out of NATO...

    https://twitter.com/JLMelenchon/status/1500490039473618951

    Je propose la sortie de l'OTAN, organisation inutile qui provoque des tensions un peu partout.

    Je propose que nous construisions, nous Français, des alliances altermondialistes. Des alliances qui partent de la nécessité de l'intérêt général humain.


    I can't read French, but even I can see the first line is probably saying to exit (sortie) NATO because it 'provokes' tensions. Classic Putinist talk.
    Melenchon is now even more pro Putin than Le Pen and Zemmour it seems.
    Takes one to know one?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,640

    Why would Lebedev be a security risk? Are peers granted automatic access to state secrets? The House of Lords is just an impotent talking shop for has-been and never-were flatterees. It wouldn't matter if Putin himself was a member.

    Yes and no. The average backbench peer (like the average backbench MP) has no access to any secrets. Some committees that they might get onto do, and certainly there is very easy access to every front-bencher including the PM - just wander along to the lobby exit when there's a vote.

    This sounds possibly encouraging:
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-open-discussing-non-nato-models-negotiator-tells-fox-news-2022-03-06/

    - I've always thought it'd be easier to settle on the non-issue of NATO membership than the tricky stuff about Crimea, but it shows some genuine discussion in progress. Having some NATO-like defensive guarantees that actually work (i.e. really would involve a no-fly zone) but don't involve stationing NATO missiles and troops sounds potentially acceptable to both sides.

    Incidentally, I see the early reports that Visa and Mastercard are pulling out of Russia aren't quite right - they are pulling out of international transactions, but will still work for domestic ones as before. Essentially it blocks a sanctions loophole enabling oligarchs to order fur coats from Harrods using Mastercard.
    The trouble is that it was never really about Nato membership. The Kremlin wants to control Ukraine as part of its sphere of influence and the Ukrainians are desperate to avoid this. The Nato membership thing is a bit of a red herring. What it might do is give Putin some kind of 'win' if Zelenskyy has to stop going on about it. Any deal would have to provide security guarantees for Ukraine.
    Yes, I am surprised that a lot of people still play into thte idea this is just about NATO, when Putin's hour long whinges and increasingly creative discovery of new pretexts demonstrates very well it is not about that.

    Asking for neutrality is also a red herring, because what would neutrality entail when lack of NATO/EU membership does not prevent it being very clear that right now, and for the forseeable future, the Ukrainian demos very much intends to look West rather than equidistant with Russia or unaligned.

    It's about controlling Ukraine, directly or indirectly. Limiting its choices to those approved by Russia. Even if the best Putin can manage is to undermine it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,640
    edited March 2022

    Aslan said:

    Big antiwar protests across Russia:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/6/detentions-across-russia-anti-war-protests-monitor

    56 cities already. As the economic pain hits, these are likely to ramp up further.

    Plucky...very plucky. May their numbers multiply exponentially.
    There must come a point when it becomes impossible to detain them all, surely?
    Sadly I think history would show that if you arrest/kill enough you can nip these things in the bud. So longer term you can detail all those you need to because the number won't always keep growing.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,321
    ydoethur said:

    Applicant said:

    ydoethur said:

    Applicant said:

    Farooq said:

    Applicant said:

    One for the PB brains trust... I noticed when I was driving yesterday that the difference between unleaded and diesel prices is now huge - in many places 10p per litre or even more - when for years it's rarely been above 2p per litre.

    Is there any logical reason this would have happened?

    Earlier this week is was a penny per litre different round here, so not quite sure what's going round your way.
    Yeah, it was still around a penny per litre on Tuesday (the previous time I drove) but by yesterday other than Tesco (3p) the difference was 10p+ everywhere.
    Is there a shortage of diesel? Local Morrisons had none this afternoon.
    I would guess panic buying before the price climbs higher still.
    Possibly, but I can't see why that would apply to diesel more than unleaded.
    If the price is rising faster, maybe people are more unnerved by it?
    People who buy/bought diesel cars do big mileages, so put more in and panic more if they think they might run out.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    Do the Russians release figures for the number of people being arrested? I wouldn't have thought they would want to be honest about it.

    https://twitter.com/astroehlein/status/1500520681733246977

    "Russian authorities detained nearly 4,000 people today for peacefully protesting against Russia's invasion of #Ukraine.

    In the last 11 days, over 10,000 people have been detained at such demonstrations in dozens of cities across Russia. "
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Kelly Clarkson Show - Lindsey Stirling & Karolina Protsenko Perform 'Guardian' Violin Duet

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwgHtHpeRiI

    Surely, Ukraine's glory and freedom are not dead yet!

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,758
    kle4 said:

    Why would Lebedev be a security risk? Are peers granted automatic access to state secrets? The House of Lords is just an impotent talking shop for has-been and never-were flatterees. It wouldn't matter if Putin himself was a member.

    Yes and no. The average backbench peer (like the average backbench MP) has no access to any secrets. Some committees that they might get onto do, and certainly there is very easy access to every front-bencher including the PM - just wander along to the lobby exit when there's a vote.

    This sounds possibly encouraging:
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-open-discussing-non-nato-models-negotiator-tells-fox-news-2022-03-06/

    - I've always thought it'd be easier to settle on the non-issue of NATO membership than the tricky stuff about Crimea, but it shows some genuine discussion in progress. Having some NATO-like defensive guarantees that actually work (i.e. really would involve a no-fly zone) but don't involve stationing NATO missiles and troops sounds potentially acceptable to both sides.

    Incidentally, I see the early reports that Visa and Mastercard are pulling out of Russia aren't quite right - they are pulling out of international transactions, but will still work for domestic ones as before. Essentially it blocks a sanctions loophole enabling oligarchs to order fur coats from Harrods using Mastercard.
    The trouble is that it was never really about Nato membership. The Kremlin wants to control Ukraine as part of its sphere of influence and the Ukrainians are desperate to avoid this. The Nato membership thing is a bit of a red herring. What it might do is give Putin some kind of 'win' if Zelenskyy has to stop going on about it. Any deal would have to provide security guarantees for Ukraine.
    Yes, I am surprised that a lot of people still play into thte idea this is just about NATO, when Putin's hour long whinges and increasingly creative discovery of new pretexts demonstrates very well it is not about that.

    Asking for neutrality is also a red herring, because what would neutrality entail when lack of NATO/EU membership does not prevent it being very clear that right now, and for the forseeable future, the Ukrainian demos very much intends to look West rather than equidistant with Russia or unaligned.

    It's about controlling Ukraine, directly or indirectly. Limiting its choices to those approved by Russia. Even if the best Putin can manage is to undermine it.
    Out of interest, what is the Russian view on expansion of the EU? We know they are very much against the eastwards expansion of NATO. But does the eastwards expansion of the EU cause them the same existential angst? I've no idea.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,640

    kle4 said:

    Why would Lebedev be a security risk? Are peers granted automatic access to state secrets? The House of Lords is just an impotent talking shop for has-been and never-were flatterees. It wouldn't matter if Putin himself was a member.

    Yes and no. The average backbench peer (like the average backbench MP) has no access to any secrets. Some committees that they might get onto do, and certainly there is very easy access to every front-bencher including the PM - just wander along to the lobby exit when there's a vote.

    This sounds possibly encouraging:
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-open-discussing-non-nato-models-negotiator-tells-fox-news-2022-03-06/

    - I've always thought it'd be easier to settle on the non-issue of NATO membership than the tricky stuff about Crimea, but it shows some genuine discussion in progress. Having some NATO-like defensive guarantees that actually work (i.e. really would involve a no-fly zone) but don't involve stationing NATO missiles and troops sounds potentially acceptable to both sides.

    Incidentally, I see the early reports that Visa and Mastercard are pulling out of Russia aren't quite right - they are pulling out of international transactions, but will still work for domestic ones as before. Essentially it blocks a sanctions loophole enabling oligarchs to order fur coats from Harrods using Mastercard.
    The trouble is that it was never really about Nato membership. The Kremlin wants to control Ukraine as part of its sphere of influence and the Ukrainians are desperate to avoid this. The Nato membership thing is a bit of a red herring. What it might do is give Putin some kind of 'win' if Zelenskyy has to stop going on about it. Any deal would have to provide security guarantees for Ukraine.
    Yes, I am surprised that a lot of people still play into thte idea this is just about NATO, when Putin's hour long whinges and increasingly creative discovery of new pretexts demonstrates very well it is not about that.

    Asking for neutrality is also a red herring, because what would neutrality entail when lack of NATO/EU membership does not prevent it being very clear that right now, and for the forseeable future, the Ukrainian demos very much intends to look West rather than equidistant with Russia or unaligned.

    It's about controlling Ukraine, directly or indirectly. Limiting its choices to those approved by Russia. Even if the best Putin can manage is to undermine it.
    Out of interest, what is the Russian view on expansion of the EU? We know they are very much against the eastwards expansion of NATO. But does the eastwards expansion of the EU cause them the same existential angst? I've no idea.
    I believe people have said they don't like it as they see it as NATO through the backdoor. Plus since they have an imperalist view of it's sphere of influence they probably do see it existentially.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,085
    Well done for this thread Mike.

    It absolutely STINKS.

    There is more to come out too. A lot more ...
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,084
    edited March 2022
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    I give a monthly amount to Centrepoint homeless charity.
    And I frequently comment on PB, a distinguished global discussion forum for the great and the good (and some others).
    And I dedicated my life to working in the public sector, for the greater good.

    Can I have a peerage please? Thanks.
    You need to be a bit more focused with your charitable donations. Think of our poor, underfunded political parties who need your help.
    But the Liberal Democrats can't nominate many peers these days.
    Well the Tories are pretty open about their 'donate several million and you get a peerage' policy, so if you don't have that much to give really that is your own fault. If you didn't want to be ignored why did you not become a millionaire or be born with money?
    Of course the first PM to offer peerages for cash was not a Tory but a Liberal, Lloyd-George
    Deleted. Response to wrong comment.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,103

    Aslan said:

    Big antiwar protests across Russia:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/6/detentions-across-russia-anti-war-protests-monitor

    56 cities already. As the economic pain hits, these are likely to ramp up further.

    Plucky...very plucky. May their numbers multiply exponentially.
    There must come a point when it becomes impossible to detain them all, surely?
    Russia isn't short of space for gulags.....
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,084
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    ydoethur said:

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    I give a monthly amount to Centrepoint homeless charity.
    And I frequently comment on PB, a distinguished global discussion forum for the great and the good (and some others).
    And I dedicated my life to working in the public sector, for the greater good.

    Can I have a peerage please? Thanks.
    You need to be a bit more focused with your charitable donations. Think of our poor, underfunded political parties who need your help.
    But the Liberal Democrats can't nominate many peers these days.
    Well the Tories are pretty open about their 'donate several million and you get a peerage' policy, so if you don't have that much to give really that is your own fault. If you didn't want to be ignored why did you not become a millionaire or be born with money?
    Of course the first PM to offer peerages for cash was not a Tory but a Liberal, Lloyd-George
    Didn’t do the Liberal Party much good, did it?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,283
    edited March 2022
    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    Any day now I expect to see a headline on this site reading something like "Kiev falls - will this make it harder for the Conservatives to keep control of Flittering Parish Council?"

    With a response from HYUFD explaining why the Conservatives would win 63.8% of the votes if Kiev doesn’t fall, but would still win 62.7% of the votes even if Kiev fell, and that the opposition had their chance in 2014, so won’t be allowed to run the council even if they won.
    If I had the time, once of the pieces I was planning to publish this week was.

    Why Vladimir Putin is bad for Scottish Nationalism.
    That would be an interesting read indeed. This situation has got me reassessing my feelings towards independence, and it's pulling me in both directions.

    Certainly it's in Putin's interests to see the UK divided, and that puts me off.
    On the other hand, it's reinforced how vital it is that a nation (and Scotland is a nation) has control over its own destiny. Obviously I don't want to go full Mad Malky here, the English rule of Scotland is extremely benign when measured against what Putin would do with Ukraine, but it's still a case of large parts of our policy are made by people we don't want, don't like, and who disagree with us. That ought to be addressed better.
    And then swinging back to the unionist side again, the SNP's positions on nuclear weapons, is it sustainable? I have doubts. And even though the SNP are now pro-NATO, I'm not quite sure where Scotland is overall.

    Conclusion: I'm still on the fence, but I could well imagine people switching sides because of this. Hard to say whether it'll lean more one way than the other.
    Of course if China follows Russia's invasion of Ukraine with an invasion of Taiwan and while Spain even continues to refuse Catalonia 1 independence referendum, the UK government's refusal to allow indyref2 looks benign by comparison
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,596

    HYUFD said:

    Chris said:

    Any day now I expect to see a headline on this site reading something like "Kiev falls - will this make it harder for the Conservatives to keep control of Flittering Parish Council?"

    With a response from HYUFD explaining why the Conservatives would win 63.8% of the votes if Kiev doesn’t fall, but would still win 62.7% of the votes even if Kiev fell, and that the opposition had their chance in 2014, so won’t be allowed to run the council even if they won.
    There is a Parish Council by election in Buckhurst Hill on Thursday aptly enough, a Conservative candidate v a Residents' Association candidate
    Ah, Buckhurst Hill!
    https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=sunil060902+buckhurst&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=image
    What a nice station building, with real brick. How old is it? 1920s?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,250
    Brave Russian protestors:



    Visegrád 24
    @visegrad24
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    “I survived the Leningrad Siege! (...) What do you want from me?” says an elderly woman in Kaliningrad today.

    “We have friends and family in Ukraine!” says another woman.

    “You came to support the fascists?” asks the cop, then orders them all arrested.


    https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1500538599741304838
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,980
    HYUFD said:

    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    Any day now I expect to see a headline on this site reading something like "Kiev falls - will this make it harder for the Conservatives to keep control of Flittering Parish Council?"

    With a response from HYUFD explaining why the Conservatives would win 63.8% of the votes if Kiev doesn’t fall, but would still win 62.7% of the votes even if Kiev fell, and that the opposition had their chance in 2014, so won’t be allowed to run the council even if they won.
    If I had the time, once of the pieces I was planning to publish this week was.

    Why Vladimir Putin is bad for Scottish Nationalism.
    That would be an interesting read indeed. This situation has got me reassessing my feelings towards independence, and it's pulling me in both directions.

    Certainly it's in Putin's interests to see the UK divided, and that puts me off.
    On the other hand, it's reinforced how vital it is that a nation (and Scotland is a nation) has control over its own destiny. Obviously I don't want to go full Mad Malky here, the English rule of Scotland is extremely benign when measured against what Putin would do with Ukraine, but it's still a case of large parts of our policy are made by people we don't want, don't like, and who disagree with us. That ought to be addressed better.
    And then swinging back to the unionist side again, the SNP's positions on nuclear weapons, is it sustainable? I have doubts. And even though the SNP are now pro-NATO, I'm not quite sure where Scotland is overall.

    Conclusion: I'm still on the fence, but I could well imagine people switching sides because of this. Hard to say whether it'll lean more one way than the other.
    Of course if China follows Russia's invasion of Ukraine with an invasion of Taiwan and while Spain even continues to refuse Catalonia even 1 independence referendum. the UK government's refusal to allow indyref2 looks benign by comparison
    Russia, Taiwan, Catalonia - three very different things.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,961
    I think we maybe worry too much about the fighter jet issue. I see the Ukrainians have got a load more Turkish drones. I'm puzzled as to why we haven't done more for them there.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,596
    edited March 2022

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Farooq said:

    ydoethur said:

    Cicero said:

    HYUFD said:

    Yes, I am sure what is on the lips of every voter in the key swing seats of the Redwall is that Lebedev got a peerage, nothing impacts on their daily lives more!

    In reality of course this is mainly a North London, Islington set issue, especially given Lebedev has already denounced Putin anyway.

    Note too Lebedev has given a lot of support to homeless charities, he is more worthy of a peerage than many

    Could you be more wrong?
    Er...yes. When he talked about the Ullapool to Inverness ferry, for a start.
    You haven't been invited on a cruise on that one yet?
    Maybe if you gave more to the homeless you'd be allowed on for a summer sailing.
    Last time I went on a cruise in Scotland it was from Fort William to Inverness, but we went via Fort Augustus not Ullapool.

    I also cycled quite a lot of the way, although I chickened out of cycling along Loch Ness to Inverness. It looked on the steep side.

    The trail by Loch Lochy was great though, and I actually made it all round the loch. This had nothing to do with the fact that I wasn't sure where the turning was and went straight past it...
    From memory, the road along Loch Ness only has a couple of steep bits, maybe at Drumnadrochit and Invermoriston. There certainly are worse roads for cycling in Scotland!

    That said, I'd never attempt to cycle the A82. It's a toxic mix of tourists looking for Nessie instead of looking where they're driving, and impatient locals overtaking round blind corners. I don't even like driving it.
    There's another road on the Foyers side that cyclists use. I think it was the main road before they built the A82. But like I say, it looked steep.

    Also, frankly, I fancied sailing along Loch Ness.
    Plus it’s mostly single track with a big caravan site halfway along. Motorhomes and caravans coming the other way, driven by southerners who can’t deal with single track roads and don’t understand the concept of passing places.
    There's some sort of separate cycle/walking track as well - I noticed it when sailing along the Glen a little bit (met my friend in his yacht near Urquhart Castle then to Inverness). Not just on the canal bits. Not sure if it goes all the way round, so DYOR, but

    https://lochness360.com/
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,995

    Aslan said:

    Big antiwar protests across Russia:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/3/6/detentions-across-russia-anti-war-protests-monitor

    56 cities already. As the economic pain hits, these are likely to ramp up further.

    Plucky...very plucky. May their numbers multiply exponentially.
    There must come a point when it becomes impossible to detain them all, surely?
    Russia isn't short of space for gulags.....
    Stalin locked up between 14 and 18 million* in Gulags, although not all at the same time.

    More likely Putin will at some point adopt the Novocherkassk solution.

    Which only makes the actions of those protesting all the more courageous, of course.

    *the exact figure is uncertain.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468
    ydoethur said:

    Chameleon said:

    https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1500475577383497731
    "Get familiar with #Transnistria

    You will soon be hearing a lot more about it"

    Rubio signalling that US Int believes that Russia are going to start doing things from Transnistria?

    Or Moldova see an opportunity in a moment of weakness for Russia to end the Russian occupation.
    I wonder if Georgia might get the same idea over South Ossetia?
    If it becomes clear that Russia is going to lose in Ukraine (and that is a very big if), then I'd expect some in Georgia and Moldova (and Chechnya and the Tartars in Crimea) to be tempted to strike when the Russian military are overstretched. But I'd doubt they'd want to poke the bear in its current mindset and before it is completely down.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,640
    If this is true it's yet more evidence of the need to tighten up what you need to do to be a member.

    Regardless of the Russia issue Lebedev's peerage is absurd. He's never made a speech and only turned up three times (the minimum number required to avoid being suspended).
    https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1500237003337744387?cxt=HHwWhoC-7ePm9NEpAAAA
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,096
    edited March 2022
    Farooq said:

    Chris said:

    Any day now I expect to see a headline on this site reading something like "Kiev falls - will this make it harder for the Conservatives to keep control of Flittering Parish Council?"

    With a response from HYUFD explaining why the Conservatives would win 63.8% of the votes if Kiev doesn’t fall, but would still win 62.7% of the votes even if Kiev fell, and that the opposition had their chance in 2014, so won’t be allowed to run the council even if they won.
    If I had the time, once of the pieces I was planning to publish this week was.

    Why Vladimir Putin is bad for Scottish Nationalism.
    That would be an interesting read indeed. This situation has got me reassessing my feelings towards independence, and it's pulling me in both directions.

    Certainly it's in Putin's interests to see the UK divided, and that puts me off.
    On the other hand, it's reinforced how vital it is that a nation (and Scotland is a nation) has control over its own destiny. Obviously I don't want to go full Mad Malky here, the English rule of Scotland is extremely benign when measured against what Putin would do with Ukraine, but it's still a case of large parts of our policy are made by people we don't want, don't like, and who disagree with us. That ought to be addressed better.
    And then swinging back to the unionist side again, the SNP's positions on nuclear weapons, is it sustainable? I have doubts. And even though the SNP are now pro-NATO, I'm not quite sure where Scotland is overall.

    Conclusion: I'm still on the fence, but I could well imagine people switching sides because of this. Hard to say whether it'll lean more one way than the other.
    I'll try and do something on it next week.

    In short, back in 2019 I had a conversation with someone fairly high up in Vote Leave who admitted that Leave got lucky that the referendum was held before Trump became President.

    It made people rather glad about international alliances and the EU.

    Had the referendum been held in 2017/18 when Trump was being Trump that would have seen Remain win comfortably was this Vote Leave person's view.

    I wonder if Putin could be that figure to help Unionists in Indyref2.

    I did go a bit tangentially and wonder if the situation might give the risk adverse Nicola Sturgeon a reason to delay indyref2, something her critics in the wider independence movement some succour to say she doesn't want to hold indyref2 which leads to other problems for the independence movement, thanks to some bloodletting.

    (FWIW I think Sturgeon is a bit more realistic and realises that if No wins Indyref2 then that really is Scottish independence dead for a generation, and wants to be in place where she's confident of winning indyref2, such as Yes being somewhere consistently north of 55% in the polls for say 18 months.)
  • AslanAslan Posts: 1,673

    I think we maybe worry too much about the fighter jet issue. I see the Ukrainians have got a load more Turkish drones. I'm puzzled as to why we haven't done more for them there.

    It is quite possible British and American experienced drone pilots are piloting those drones. How would Russia ever know?
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