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  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,641

    I'm sure there are reasons people can find to mock how I've worded it, but this is what I've sent to tell Ukraine that I'll help if they think I can.


    I imagine you're earning a good wedge over here? The best thing to do might be to put in the hours and donate a significant portion of your salary and help the donation campaigns. Not flashy but unless you've got the language skills you'll be a liability over there.
    I've just been made redundant; my payoff has got got me in the black for the first time I can remember. My landlord has sold my house and I have to move out by the end of the month.

    I can feed freedom fighters. I hope I can do it fearlessly.
    Wish you all the best with whatever you choose.

    last thought. Are there any aid missions going out? Maybe the refugee charities need people who can speak fluent English for visa stuff?
  • I'm sure there are reasons people can find to mock how I've worded it, but this is what I've sent to tell Ukraine that I'll help if they think I can.


    I imagine you're earning a good wedge over here? The best thing to do might be to put in the hours and donate a significant portion of your salary and help the donation campaigns. Not flashy but unless you've got the language skills you'll be a liability over there.
    I've just been made redundant; my payoff has got got me in the black for the first time I can remember. My landlord has sold my house and I have to move out by the end of the month.

    I can feed freedom fighters. I hope I can do it fearlessly.
    Wish you all the best with whatever you choose.

    last thought. Are there any aid missions going out? Maybe the refugee charities need people who can speak fluent English for visa stuff?
    There ought to be plenty of people scared of defending Ukraine that can do that sort of stuff.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190

    I'm sure there are reasons people can find to mock how I've worded it, but this is what I've sent to tell Ukraine that I'll help if they think I can.


    I imagine you're earning a good wedge over here? The best thing to do might be to put in the hours and donate a significant portion of your salary and help the donation campaigns. Not flashy but unless you've got the language skills you'll be a liability over there.
    I've just been made redundant; my payoff has got got me in the black for the first time I can remember. My landlord has sold my house and I have to move out by the end of the month.

    I can feed freedom fighters. I hope I can do it fearlessly.
    Hats off to you.

    Maybe volunteering via an aid agency to assist the refugees that have escaped Ukraine would be both valuable and valiant.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,353
    mwadams said:

    kle4 said:

    Reuters: Ukraine still has a "significant majority" of its military aircraft available nine days after Russian forces started their full-scale invasion of the country, according to an unnamed U.S. defense official.
    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1499879763120431107

    Dmitry Peskov, Putin's spokesperson, "urged everybody to unite around the president" – the very need to say this tells us something...
    https://twitter.com/Ben_H_Noble/status/1499829099224838145

    Well they can hardly tell everyone to unite around the war effort, as they'll put you in jail for calling it a war.
    Oh, what a lovely Special Military Operation!
    Special Military Operation and Peace
    Special Military Operation (what is it good for?)
    Star Special Military Operations
    Special Military Operation Games
    Casualties of Special Military Operation
    Special Military Operation Horse
    Special Military Operation of the Worlds
    Who can forget Jack Hawkins in The Cruel Sea, holding back tears of exhaustion and defeat, and spitting out in his gravelly voice

    "It's the whole bloody Special Military Operation."
    Special Military Operation Of the ring.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,190
    Andy_JS said:

    "Property of Russian elites could be handed to Ukrainian refugees, says Raab
    Deputy PM defends response to invasion after criticism the government has acted too slowly over sanctions"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/04/property-of-russian-elites-could-be-handed-to-ukrainian-refugees-says-raab

    Excellent work Mr Raab.

    Now about that £25,000 of Russian funding your campaign allegedly received.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257

    Andy_JS said:

    "Property of Russian elites could be handed to Ukrainian refugees, says Raab
    Deputy PM defends response to invasion after criticism the government has acted too slowly over sanctions"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/04/property-of-russian-elites-could-be-handed-to-ukrainian-refugees-says-raab

    Excellent work Mr Raab.

    Now about that £25,000 of Russian funding your campaign allegedly received.
    Raab talking utter shit as per usual.
    What’s he planning to do? Nothing.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,353

    mwadams said:

    kle4 said:

    Reuters: Ukraine still has a "significant majority" of its military aircraft available nine days after Russian forces started their full-scale invasion of the country, according to an unnamed U.S. defense official.
    https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1499879763120431107

    Dmitry Peskov, Putin's spokesperson, "urged everybody to unite around the president" – the very need to say this tells us something...
    https://twitter.com/Ben_H_Noble/status/1499829099224838145

    Well they can hardly tell everyone to unite around the war effort, as they'll put you in jail for calling it a war.
    Oh, what a lovely Special Military Operation!
    Special Military Operation and Peace
    Special Military Operation (what is it good for?)
    Star Special Military Operations
    Special Military Operation Games
    Casualties of Special Military Operation
    Special Military Operation Horse
    Special Military Operation of the Worlds
    Who can forget Jack Hawkins in The Cruel Sea, holding back tears of exhaustion and defeat, and spitting out in his gravelly voice

    "It's the whole bloody Special Military Operation."
    Special Military Operation Of the ring.
    The Dandy Special Military Operation hol’s

    This is the sort of shit PB does best! 🙃
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,358

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Putin has already defeated the minds of his enemies.

    How so?
    They believe and fear his threats enough to sacrifice Ukraine for their temporary sanctuary.
    So. You are saying Putin's threats are an empty bluff? That he really isn't bonkers enough to risk literally billions dead?
    That's a heck of a high stakes gamble that your mind is more sound than others.
    He won't end his own existence over Ukraine.

    I'm not advising that we march on Moscow.
    Somebody is going to have to hold the Ukrainians back from heading to Moscow though....once they have cleaned the mud off the Red Army's kit. And retaken Crimea.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,358
    IshmaelZ said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Two thirds of the 1m+ Ukranian refugees have headed to Poland (UNHCR).

    That implies that approx 2% of the entire Polish population is a newly arrived Ukrainian refugee.

    We really really do need to be relieving some of the pressure on Poland by pulling the refugees West. I say it again, the transport is right there ready. They can get the train all the way to Calais and it will cost them not a penny. All we need to do is open the door wide and say come.

    I find it difficult to express just how disappointed I am with the UK Government over this. Patel in particular should hang her head in shame.
    A friend of mine has a big country house in Norfolk. He has offered to take 6 Ukrainian families.
    Well, whoopy doo. How many other big houses does he own? Does he actually ever live in the one you are referring to? What is the state of its interior decor? Would there be council tax benefits from fillling it with ukies? Are you trying to fill a gap left by the late lamented @Charles?

    Just the first qs which spring to mind.
    1. none
    2. its his home
    3. just spent a fortune doing it up
    4. have to ask the council
    5. impossible

    The problem, as Leon alludes to, is that they might never want to return to Ukraine. So let's tell them they can't come, eh? Be for the best all round....

    But do let me know if you have any q's that spring to mind.
    Nae problem, but if he has had to seriously do up a house which will comfortably take 6 families plus him, he is worth £100m min, and prob £200m min before he started. All genuinely totally admirable but what he tells us about the bigger picture is hard to see.
    We aren't talking Mayfair here - it's Norfolk! He ain't no oligarch....
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 777
    edited March 2022

    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm sure there are reasons people can find to mock how I've worded it, but this is what I've sent to tell Ukraine that I'll help if they think I can.


    I would never mock anybody for being willing to fight but my heartfelt advice is don't go.
    Thank you for not taking the piss. And for what reads like genuine concern.

    But I will do whatever they ask.
    I also will not take the piss. But please look at a website where people *do* take the piss - https://kiwifarms.net/threads/r-volunteersforukraine.113841/ - and think very, very hard about what such merciless trolls would say about your efforts... and whether they have a point.

    There are plenty of ways you can assist without "knowing what you're doing". One very simple one (and there's loads like this) is phoning up Russian interests and generally being a nuisance - it's much easier to DDOS phone lines than web sites.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,599

    Andy_JS said:

    "Property of Russian elites could be handed to Ukrainian refugees, says Raab
    Deputy PM defends response to invasion after criticism the government has acted too slowly over sanctions"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/04/property-of-russian-elites-could-be-handed-to-ukrainian-refugees-says-raab

    Excellent work Mr Raab.

    Now about that £25,000 of Russian funding your campaign allegedly received.
    "Could" in the headline seems to mean that the LDs suggested it, it is being discussed in govt and Gove is in favour. Not that it is going to happen shortly or is even a government policy.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,703

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:



    I love this concept that the EU have been much more muscular with military side of things.....the UK has been sending support for years, in particular past several months basically everything went via UK, and the training e.g. the SAS trained the SoF (who apparently have been doing extremely well against Russian VDV).

    The Germans for instance thought sending some helmets until a couple of days ago was good enough and even yesterday sent them soviet era piece of shit weapons that have been stuck in a warehouse in Eastern Germany for the past 30 odd years. They are more likely to blow up the Ukrainians trying to use them.

    I don't think the Germans missiles will actually blow up, I think they will simply make a "pssss.... klum..." noise, and fail to fire.

    There's already reports out of Ukraine that the weapons the Germans sent are "mouldy" and don't work properly or at all so have been scrapped. UK, US and Swedish weapons coming out on top at the moment according to the research people at home. Lots of pledges from European countries but not a lot arriving is the other constant theme.

    One interesting analysis (from last week, I only got to read it this morning) suggested that the US and UK should deploy special forces in Ukraine to defend nuclear power stations from any Russian attacks due to the risk of catastrophic outcomes. I feel as though that junior researcher deserves a raise.
    Do we not think that there might already be some "lost businessmen" in Ukraine?
    Potentially, but probably in a passive/training role rather than actively defending key sites.
    Until yesterday, I am not sure anybody thought the Russian would be idiotic enough to start shelling a nuclear facility and firing on emergency vehicles when they arrived to try and put out the fires.
    My preferred "non-intervention" would be paying some close attention to those hundreds of parked helicopters in Belarus just north of the border, perhaps by former army / specials who 'join up' to the Ukrainian Foreign Legion (or whatever it is called at present).
  • MattWMattW Posts: 22,703
    edited March 2022

    Scott_xP said:

    Well we knew it was coming but sad all the same to hear it. EU official quoted,

    "We have been united on the Ukraine issue because the UK has been absent."


    https://twitter.com/archer_rs/status/1499770279853178882

    Utter rubbish

    UK has been involved with the US and the EU since day one

    Indeed I have said on many occasions this should bring us closer, but what you and others of a similar bigoted mindset do not realise is that your constant sniping is actually negative to your hopes of a close relationship
    That tweet has now been deleted. I think the claim is fictional.

    In reality the EU has been Balkanised between the countries who better understand the risks of Russia - the Eastern edge, the Scandis and most of the South East / Med, which aligned more with the UK position of vigorous support for Ukraine, and parts of the Brussels establishment, the French, Germans and a few others who though that stroking Putin would work.

    There seem to be quite a few EU figleaf narratives coming out in the last 24 hours - I'm surprised. As ever the ultimate focus is on Brussels' self-image. There will be some filthy politics as this crisis develops, just as there was to divert responsibility for vaccine mistakes.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    There is going to be another humanitarian crisis I suspect. Thousands of starving frost bitten Russian soldiers stuck in their bloody convoy.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,209

    Just like their boss, some of Boris Johnson’s Cabinet can’t resist a bit of self promotion.

    Rishi Sunak has his signature all over glossy social media messages. Priti Patel dresses up in police uniform. Sajid Javid has YouTube videos of a national tour that featured his childhood home. Liz Truss is famed for Instagram snaps of her trips to far flung places (often with a taxpayer-funded photographer in tow).

    By contrast, Defence Secretary Ben Wallace doesn’t exactly court publicity. His Instagram page has a grand total of eight posts, including a local newspaper-style snap of him putting money in a Poppy Day collecting tin. He shuns “cosplay Cabinet” photo-ops in tanks or fighter jets, preferring his lounge suit to military fatigues.

    But what Wallace lacks in the PR stakes of some of his colleagues, he more than makes up for it with his no-nonsense approach to his job, many Tory MPs believe.


    https://inews.co.uk/opinion/ben-wallaces-unshowy-competence-has-won-plaudits-from-mps-and-some-think-no-10-beckons-1499614

    Yes, if it weren't for his signature on the latest round of army cuts, Ben Wallace would be the ideal Defence Secretary.
    Just another cheek of the corrupt rotten Tory arse
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,209

    Andy_JS said:

    "Property of Russian elites could be handed to Ukrainian refugees, says Raab
    Deputy PM defends response to invasion after criticism the government has acted too slowly over sanctions"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/04/property-of-russian-elites-could-be-handed-to-ukrainian-refugees-says-raab

    Excellent work Mr Raab.

    Now about that £25,000 of Russian funding your campaign allegedly received.
    "Could" in the headline seems to mean that the LDs suggested it, it is being discussed in govt and Gove is in favour. Not that it is going to happen shortly or is even a government policy.
    Usual hot air from Tories, lots of fine words and no action other than fill their bankbooks, lying barstewards.
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