Three speeches at this critical time – politicalbetting.com
In the space of a week we have heard two speeches which are changing the world we live in, certainly in Europe and, likely, elsewhere. This evening we will hear a third one.
FPT, the three extreme-right candidates in the French presidential election have qualified for the first round. (Zemmour, Le Pen and Dupont-Aignan.) The Trot Philippe Poutou also received 99 signatures today, but he is still 158 short with a few days to go.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
On that theme - re ; the picture of the Communist-flagged tank in Kiev from the other day, FPT. Here's a interesting wildcard just to get a few thoughts going, as much as anything else.
If you were an alliance of Lukashenko and his Belarussian communist supporters, the Oligarchs, and China - possibly the only alliance that could get rid of Putin - what would be the only thing you could work on ?
"Opinion Russia The incoherence at the heart of anti-westernism Enemies of the west see it as an oppressor and a decadent pushover at the same time JANAN GANESH"
I really don't understand why you would want to occupy land filled with people who don't want you to be there.
Unless you are going to expel all of them, then it's just going to cause you massive amounts of trouble.
Smiles....
I remember trying to explain to a youngster how the Really Real IRA, the Keepin' It Real IRA and the rest justified their position
"But the whole solution of Ireland *voted*. South, North, Unionist, Nationalist" - she said
"But they don't believe that voting decides whether Ireland is partitioned" - me
"But... But..."
She literally didn't conceive that they weren't interested in democracy. Didn't accept the "right of the people to do wrong". People in other far away countries, sure.... but not here.
It's only since about 1989 that this universalist belief that democracy is the Only Answer has really taken root.
I grew up with MPs saying, openly, that People's Democracies (Communist One Party Dictatorships) were more democratic than all that voting nonsense.
It's just a call back to Olde Days when lines were drawn on maps, and the populations behind those lines just shut up and got on with it. If they didn't, well, they got tidied up. The Head Count are like other property - cherished if useful, slaughtered if not.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
What is going on here? Amol Rajan rules himself out of the running for BBC Political Editor, the week after the presumed front-runners Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis leave the Corporation.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
The establishment party threatening to defund the BBC if they don't appoint government lackeys. Exactly what should make us smile as we are defending against an authoritarian government who make full use of a controlled press.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
What is going on here? Amol Rajan rules himself out of the running for BBC Political Editor, the week after the presumed front-runners Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis leave the Corporation.
He would have been an odd pick anyway wouldn’t he? No Westminster experience. Is “pulling out” just self promotion to suggest he was ever in it in the way the likes of Sopel clearly would have been?
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
What is going on here? Amol Rajan rules himself out of the running for BBC Political Editor, the week after the presumed front-runners Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis leave the Corporation.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
Somebody should surely have noticed a while ago that the Germans weren't making Russia rich.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
Wasn't that the fundamental mistake of the entire West post-Berlin wall?
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
Funny, when I was young there were traders in the East End who thought much the same about their dealings with Reggie and Ronnie Kray.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
The establishment party threatening to defund the BBC if they don't appoint government lackeys. Exactly what should make us smile as we are defending against an authoritarian government who make full use of a controlled press.
Oh come on, Guido's point is that not in a million years are the BBC appointing a Mirror journalist to that job.
I've said it will be Sam Coates from day 1 and I'm sticking with that.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
And then there was the make rich Russians British approach..
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
The establishment party threatening to defund the BBC if they don't appoint government lackeys. Exactly what should make us smile as we are defending against an authoritarian government who make full use of a controlled press.
Oh come on, Guido's point is that not in a million years are the BBC appointing a Mirror journalist to that job.
I've said it will be Sam Coates from day 1 and I'm sticking with that.
If he doesn’t fancy it. I wouldn’t seek the position for myself but if friends and colleagues were to press me, then I could cope.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
What is going on here? Amol Rajan rules himself out of the running for BBC Political Editor, the week after the presumed front-runners Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis leave the Corporation.
Not financially perhaps but even outside the BBC most internal transfers are surely about status and interest. What I'm wondering is if the BBC is redefining the job and this is why people are pulling out. Dunno really but we can bet on it.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
What is going on here? Amol Rajan rules himself out of the running for BBC Political Editor, the week after the presumed front-runners Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis leave the Corporation.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
What is going on here? Amol Rajan rules himself out of the running for BBC Political Editor, the week after the presumed front-runners Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis leave the Corporation.
OK, it's one of those "pinnacle of the profession" jobs. But under the present government, it's also painting a massive target on yourself. It has "set up to be a scapegoat" written all over it.
As a science master who'd happily be much more provincial than I am, I admit that I simply don't get ambition. But I can fully understand people with sharp political antennae running a mile from the job.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
What is going on here? Amol Rajan rules himself out of the running for BBC Political Editor, the week after the presumed front-runners Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis leave the Corporation.
I really don't understand why you would want to occupy land filled with people who don't want you to be there.
Unless you are going to expel all of them, then it's just going to cause you massive amounts of trouble.
I suppose China has done this successfully in Xinjiang and Tibet by flooding these places with surplus population. But most countries do not have the same demographic pressures.
On that theme - re ; the picture of the Communist-flagged tank in Kiev from the other day, FPT. Here's a interesting wildcard just to get a few thoughts going, as much as anything else.
If you were an alliance of Lukashenko and his Belarussian communist supporters, the Oligarchs, and China - possibly the only alliance that could get rid of Putin - what would be the only thing you could work on ?
Chinese-style communism.
Well, to to adapt my reply FPT: The tank flying the Soviet flag is more of a "Make Russia Great Again" thing, harking back to the glory days of the Great Patriotic War etc, rather than a commitment to restoring Marxism-Leninism which probably wouldn't go down too well with the klept. The Russian Army has maintained a lot of the traditions and culture from the Soviet Army: IIRC a lot of units that can trace their lineage back to before 1991 still use Soviet-pattern unit banners (like colours in the British Army) with the hammer and sickle. cf Putin restoring the Soviet national anthem with non-communist lyrics.
As to Big Hat, he certainly kept on more Soviet trappings than most of the post-Soviet states. Belarus's flag is that of the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic minus the hammer and sickle, and their air force still uses the Soviet red star (as did Russia's until 2011 when they added a bit of white and blue, still mainly a red star though). Lukashanka's no more a communist than Putin is; he's just a bit more nostalgic about it.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
There was too the memory of the horrible historic crimes in the East too, and an understandable reluctance to be even slightly militaristic there.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
What is going on here? Amol Rajan rules himself out of the running for BBC Political Editor, the week after the presumed front-runners Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis leave the Corporation.
Maybe he's realised he'd not be very good at it. He's struggled on the today programme.
Yep. It really needs to be someone who is used to doing that sort of job before.
I like Adam Fleming, but I think it might be a bit too soon for him.
Seems a real shame they couldn’t get Sopel. Would have been brilliant. A year or two back it would have been great to get John Pienaar and his awesome moustache.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
And then there was the make rich Russians British approach..
I have a quiet, probably unrealistic hope, that behind the scenes the so-far unsanctioned and in one case ennobled oligarchs here are counselling their patron Boris on how best to deal with Putin and working with him on the planned coup. That would be dodgy party funding well spent and solicited.
I really don't understand why you would want to occupy land filled with people who don't want you to be there.
Unless you are going to expel all of them, then it's just going to cause you massive amounts of trouble.
I suppose China has done this successfully in Xinjiang and Tibet by flooding these places with surplus population. But most countries do not have the same demographic pressures.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
There was too the memory of the horrible historic crimes in the East too, and an understandable reluctance to be even slightly militaristic there.
Presumably a real desire to not see the USSR refounded though?
I really don't understand why you would want to occupy land filled with people who don't want you to be there.
Unless you are going to expel all of them, then it's just going to cause you massive amounts of trouble.
I suppose China has done this successfully in Xinjiang and Tibet by flooding these places with surplus population. But most countries do not have the same demographic pressures.
Yes, one thing Russia definitely doesn’t need is lebensraum. That’s what makes this bloody nostalgia fest such a pointless tragedy.
I really don't understand why you would want to occupy land filled with people who don't want you to be there.
Unless you are going to expel all of them, then it's just going to cause you massive amounts of trouble.
Well it used to be all the rage for most of human history. And transplanting people is still tried in some. But the slaughter them all and replace approach tends to be frowned on now.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
What is going on here? Amol Rajan rules himself out of the running for BBC Political Editor, the week after the presumed front-runners Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis leave the Corporation.
Maybe he's realised he'd not be very good at it. He's struggled on the today programme.
Yep. It really needs to be someone who is used to doing that sort of job before.
I like Adam Fleming, but I think it might be a bit too soon for him.
There are quite a few journalists that are looking good with their coverage of this crisis. The BBC's man in a tin hat for example. The lady (or should it be woman now) on sky who's in Ukraine is really outstanding. I'm not sure that the BBC's political editor needs to come from the ranks of those already in the game.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
What is going on here? Amol Rajan rules himself out of the running for BBC Political Editor, the week after the presumed front-runners Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis leave the Corporation.
He doesn’t want to spend the next decade talking exclusively to politicians… And become the butt of PB jokes ? I’m shocked.
I really don't understand why you would want to occupy land filled with people who don't want you to be there.
Unless you are going to expel all of them, then it's just going to cause you massive amounts of trouble.
Depends, doesn't it. I resent most of the ways most UK governments interact with my life, but I accept that risk/reward wise it just ain't worth throwing molotov cocktails at police cars because there ain't no NATO cavalry over the hill coming to make life better. The USSR lasted quite a long time because people think like me.
The Russian government is blocking the two main non-regime media outlets Echo Moskvy and Dozhd, accusing them of inciting extremism and publishing false information about the 'special operation to protect the DNR and LNR'.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
There was too the memory of the horrible historic crimes in the East too, and an understandable reluctance to be even slightly militaristic there.
Spread on how long before the first squawking about the old, bad, militaristic Germany on the rise starts? As I recall that was a primary factor in the blessed Margaret being against German reunification.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
There was too the memory of the horrible historic crimes in the East too, and an understandable reluctance to be even slightly militaristic there.
Spread on how long before the first squawking about the old, bad, militaristic Germany on the rise starts? As I recall that was a primary factor in the blessed Margaret being against German reunification.
It's time to move on, even that was 30 years ago for Christ's sake. I think the squawking may be less than you expect.
The one thing about Ukraine that we may be overlooking is that it does have a part of the population that is Russian. We don't really know what they think about the current situation. Are they happy about starting talks to join the EU and being conscripted to fight the invading Russian Army? How representative is the government and the public face of Ukraine that we see in the western media?
Apologies to peddle Kremlin talking points, but it does feel like we don't know very much about this country and make a lot of unexplored assumptions about it.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
What is going on here? Amol Rajan rules himself out of the running for BBC Political Editor, the week after the presumed front-runners Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis leave the Corporation.
Maybe he's realised he'd not be very good at it. He's struggled on the today programme.
Yep. It really needs to be someone who is used to doing that sort of job before.
I like Adam Fleming, but I think it might be a bit too soon for him.
Seems a real shame they couldn’t get Sopel. Would have been brilliant. A year or two back it would have been great to get John Pienaar and his awesome moustache.
On that theme - re ; the picture of the Communist-flagged tank in Kiev from the other day, FPT. Here's a interesting wildcard just to get a few thoughts going, as much as anything else.
If you were an alliance of Lukashenko and his Belarussian communist supporters, the Oligarchs, and China - possibly the only alliance that could get rid of Putin - what would be the only thing you could work on ?
Chinese-style communism.
Well, to to adapt my reply FPT: The tank flying the Soviet flag is more of a "Make Russia Great Again" thing, harking back to the glory days of the Great Patriotic War etc, rather than a commitment to restoring Marxism-Leninism which probably wouldn't go down too well with the klept. The Russian Army has maintained a lot of the traditions and culture from the Soviet Army: IIRC a lot of units that can trace their lineage back to before 1991 still use Soviet-pattern unit banners (like colours in the British Army) with the hammer and sickle. cf Putin restoring the Soviet national anthem with non-communist lyrics.
As to Big Hat, he certainly kept on more Soviet trappings than most of the post-Soviet states. Belarus's flag is that of the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic minus the hammer and sickle, and their air force still uses the Soviet red star (as did Russia's until 2011 when they added a bit of white and blue, still mainly a red star though). Lukashanka's no more a communist than Putin is; he's just a bit more nostalgic about it.
Certainly though, in Belarus, the Communist Party has been part of the official government support, whereas in Russia it's been part of the opposition. And a Chinese model is also still the only thing that could link that set-up with the oligarchs.
I really don't understand why you would want to occupy land filled with people who don't want you to be there.
Unless you are going to expel all of them, then it's just going to cause you massive amounts of trouble.
That is exactly what happened in Crimea - the Russians stayed and everyone else moved (some happily, some under duress) to other parts of the Ukraine or elsewhere in Europe.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
There was too the memory of the horrible historic crimes in the East too, and an understandable reluctance to be even slightly militaristic there.
Spread on how long before the first squawking about the old, bad, militaristic Germany on the rise starts? As I recall that was a primary factor in the blessed Margaret being against German reunification.
It's time to move on, even that was 30 years ago for Christ's sake. I think the squawking may be less than you expect.
Yes. No one cares. Even those of us for whom it was our grandparents fight aren’t as young as we’d like to think we are. Modern Germany has no link to that era and I doubt any British politician (well maybe Farage) will raise the issue.
The one thing about Ukraine that we may be overlooking is that it does have a part of the population that is Russian. We don't really know what they think about the current situation. Are they happy about starting talks to join the EU and being conscripted to fight the invading Russian Army? How representative is the government and the public face of Ukraine that we see in the western media?
Apologies to peddle Kremlin talking points, but it does feel like we don't know very much about this country and make a lot of unexplored assumptions about it.
From all of the reports I've seen, people all over Ukraine, even in the Russian speaking areas, have kept signing up for the militia.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
What is going on here? Amol Rajan rules himself out of the running for BBC Political Editor, the week after the presumed front-runners Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis leave the Corporation.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
There was too the memory of the horrible historic crimes in the East too, and an understandable reluctance to be even slightly militaristic there.
Spread on how long before the first squawking about the old, bad, militaristic Germany on the rise starts? As I recall that was a primary factor in the blessed Margaret being against German reunification.
It's time to move on, even that was 30 years ago for Christ's sake. I think the squawking may be less than you expect.
Yes. No one cares. Even those of us for whom it was our grandparents fight aren’t as young as we’d like to think we are. Modern Germany has no link to that era and I doubt any British politician (well maybe Farage) will raise the issue.
There will be some. And comments online etc. But how often do people emphasise that a minority is not representative? Are we really going to see it as a mainstream opinion, and if not, will a few idiots saying it really mean anything?
The one thing about Ukraine that we may be overlooking is that it does have a part of the population that is Russian. We don't really know what they think about the current situation. Are they happy about starting talks to join the EU and being conscripted to fight the invading Russian Army? How representative is the government and the public face of Ukraine that we see in the western media?
Apologies to peddle Kremlin talking points, but it does feel like we don't know very much about this country and make a lot of unexplored assumptions about it.
In a lot of Russian speaking areas they've given the invading troops an unfriendly welcome.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
What is going on here? Amol Rajan rules himself out of the running for BBC Political Editor, the week after the presumed front-runners Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis leave the Corporation.
Maybe he's realised he'd not be very good at it. He's struggled on the today programme.
Yep. It really needs to be someone who is used to doing that sort of job before.
I like Adam Fleming, but I think it might be a bit too soon for him.
Seems a real shame they couldn’t get Sopel. Would have been brilliant. A year or two back it would have been great to get John Pienaar and his awesome moustache.
The job’s being teed up for Guto Harri.
Lol. A stunning come back for Cummings. All future political editor comment to come in 70,000 word blog posts.
Speaking of Cummings, his links to Russia are about to bite him in the arse I suspect; given the enemies he’s made in Government.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
There was too the memory of the horrible historic crimes in the East too, and an understandable reluctance to be even slightly militaristic there.
Spread on how long before the first squawking about the old, bad, militaristic Germany on the rise starts? As I recall that was a primary factor in the blessed Margaret being against German reunification.
It's time to move on, even that was 30 years ago for Christ's sake. I think the squawking may be less than you expect.
Get back to me when squawking about the return of the Soviet Union (which was..gasp..dissolved 30 years ago) stops. People tend to resort to sterile cliché, here as much as anywhere else.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
And then there was the make rich Russians British approach..
Although we were sensible enough not to become reliant on Russian energy, except very slightly.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
There was too the memory of the horrible historic crimes in the East too, and an understandable reluctance to be even slightly militaristic there.
Spread on how long before the first squawking about the old, bad, militaristic Germany on the rise starts? As I recall that was a primary factor in the blessed Margaret being against German reunification.
It's time to move on, even that was 30 years ago for Christ's sake. I think the squawking may be less than you expect.
Get back to me when squawking about the return of the Soviet Union (which was..gasp..40 years ago) stops. People tend to resort to sterile cliché, here as much as anywhere else.
I’d agree with you if the main person talking about the return of the Soviet Union (in form) wasn’t also the current President of the Russian Federation who had just invaded Ukraine.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
There was too the memory of the horrible historic crimes in the East too, and an understandable reluctance to be even slightly militaristic there.
Spread on how long before the first squawking about the old, bad, militaristic Germany on the rise starts? As I recall that was a primary factor in the blessed Margaret being against German reunification.
It's time to move on, even that was 30 years ago for Christ's sake. I think the squawking may be less than you expect.
Get back to me when squawking about the return of the Soviet Union (which was..gasp..40 years ago) stops. People tend to resort to sterile cliché, here as much as anywhere else.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
What is going on here? Amol Rajan rules himself out of the running for BBC Political Editor, the week after the presumed front-runners Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis leave the Corporation.
The one thing about Ukraine that we may be overlooking is that it does have a part of the population that is Russian. We don't really know what they think about the current situation. Are they happy about starting talks to join the EU and being conscripted to fight the invading Russian Army? How representative is the government and the public face of Ukraine that we see in the western media?
Apologies to peddle Kremlin talking points, but it does feel like we don't know very much about this country and make a lot of unexplored assumptions about it.
Worth noting that the President of Ukraine is Jewish, and a native Russian speaker, not an ethnic Ukranian, yet is clearly a patriot.
The one thing about Ukraine that we may be overlooking is that it does have a part of the population that is Russian. We don't really know what they think about the current situation. Are they happy about starting talks to join the EU and being conscripted to fight the invading Russian Army? How representative is the government and the public face of Ukraine that we see in the western media?
Apologies to peddle Kremlin talking points, but it does feel like we don't know very much about this country and make a lot of unexplored assumptions about it.
In a lot of Russian speaking areas they've given the invading troops an unfriendly welcome.
I'm just thinking back to Konstantin Kisin last week on Triggernometry. He said one half of his family in Ukraine were very happy about the invasion, the other were against it. Perhaps there is a significant part of the population who are just keeping their heads down at the moment.
The one thing about Ukraine that we may be overlooking is that it does have a part of the population that is Russian. We don't really know what they think about the current situation. Are they happy about starting talks to join the EU and being conscripted to fight the invading Russian Army? How representative is the government and the public face of Ukraine that we see in the western media?
Apologies to peddle Kremlin talking points, but it does feel like we don't know very much about this country and make a lot of unexplored assumptions about it.
Worth noting that the President of Ukraine is Jewish, and a native Russian speaker, not an ethnic Ukranian, yet is clearly a patriot.
The double irony of course is he was elected on a platform of seeking a rapprochement with Russia.
Hardly his fault it hasn't worked out, but still...
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
There was too the memory of the horrible historic crimes in the East too, and an understandable reluctance to be even slightly militaristic there.
Spread on how long before the first squawking about the old, bad, militaristic Germany on the rise starts? As I recall that was a primary factor in the blessed Margaret being against German reunification.
It's time to move on, even that was 30 years ago for Christ's sake. I think the squawking may be less than you expect.
Get back to me when squawking about the return of the Soviet Union (which was..gasp..dissolved 30 years ago) stops. People tend to resort to sterile cliché, here as much as anywhere else.
The Soviet Union cliche at least has some relevance, given Putin, while not ideologically a fan, is on record as lamenting its fall because of what it did to Russia, and his desire to expand Russia's sphere of influence in areas once covered by it is driving his actions right now.
I am not a historical expert, but by comparison I am pretty sure there are additional elements at play in fears of German militarism which would not apply if they increase their defence spending to 2%, things like an aggressive government for a start. So your 'gasp' comment is just silly if you cannot figure out a difference between the two.
I'm not saying there won't be squawking, but you like to trawl through twitter for examples of your opponent's idiotic comments (and why not, it is fun), but you surely know when it is a significant or representative opinion. And that does make a difference - if a Cabinet Minister or the First Minister says something it is more signidicant than if some random councillor in nowhereburg says something, and people trying to equate the two look like fools.
Honestly, what is the problem here? I wasn't saying you need to move on, I was saying people in general need to, and that I am optimistic fewer will be fools than you think. I may be wrong, but we shall see. I can be optimistic about human nature occasionally.
The one thing about Ukraine that we may be overlooking is that it does have a part of the population that is Russian. We don't really know what they think about the current situation. Are they happy about starting talks to join the EU and being conscripted to fight the invading Russian Army? How representative is the government and the public face of Ukraine that we see in the western media?
Apologies to peddle Kremlin talking points, but it does feel like we don't know very much about this country and make a lot of unexplored assumptions about it.
In a lot of Russian speaking areas they've given the invading troops an unfriendly welcome.
I'm just thinking back to Konstantin Kisin last week on Triggernometry. He said one half of his family in Ukraine were very happy about the invasion, the other were against it. Perhaps there is a significant part of the population who are just keeping their heads down at the moment.
I don't think so.
I've met a fair number of Ukrainians and they acknowledge the divisions in their country, but they all think it's their country.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
There was too the memory of the horrible historic crimes in the East too, and an understandable reluctance to be even slightly militaristic there.
Spread on how long before the first squawking about the old, bad, militaristic Germany on the rise starts? As I recall that was a primary factor in the blessed Margaret being against German reunification.
It's time to move on, even that was 30 years ago for Christ's sake. I think the squawking may be less than you expect.
Yes. No one cares. Even those of us for whom it was our grandparents fight aren’t as young as we’d like to think we are. Modern Germany has no link to that era and I doubt any British politician (well maybe Farage) will raise the issue.
We might not, but it is significant for many Germans. My sister in law lost 2 uncles on the Eastern front*. It looms in the conscience, like the Holocaust and rightly so. Lots of Slavs were slaughtered the same ways.
* fortunately my father's thoughts on this were expressed out of her earshot!
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
Russia becoming rich was great. The problem was the wealth was expropriated by a group of corrupt colluding men.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
What is going on here? Amol Rajan rules himself out of the running for BBC Political Editor, the week after the presumed front-runners Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis leave the Corporation.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
There was too the memory of the horrible historic crimes in the East too, and an understandable reluctance to be even slightly militaristic there.
Spread on how long before the first squawking about the old, bad, militaristic Germany on the rise starts? As I recall that was a primary factor in the blessed Margaret being against German reunification.
It's time to move on, even that was 30 years ago for Christ's sake. I think the squawking may be less than you expect.
Get back to me when squawking about the return of the Soviet Union (which was..gasp..dissolved 30 years ago) stops. People tend to resort to sterile cliché, here as much as anywhere else.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
Russia becoming rich was great. The problem was the wealth was expropriated by a group of corrupt colluding men.
Russia becoming church-mouse poor is going to be better.
On the subject of occupations, the story of eastern Karelia is fascinating. Finland evacuated the entire native speaking population of Vyborg, a large city, and the surrounding area at the end of the second world war. It became part of the Soviet Union, who repopulated it. Vyborg still has the appearance of a Finnish city, with some beautiful architecture (including some Alvar Aalto buildings), but is inhabited exclusively by Russians. Following the end of the cold war, Finland has never pursued any territorial claims on this area, and is very hesitant to inherit any native Russian population.
The one thing about Ukraine that we may be overlooking is that it does have a part of the population that is Russian. We don't really know what they think about the current situation. Are they happy about starting talks to join the EU and being conscripted to fight the invading Russian Army? How representative is the government and the public face of Ukraine that we see in the western media?
Apologies to peddle Kremlin talking points, but it does feel like we don't know very much about this country and make a lot of unexplored assumptions about it.
In what sense Russian? A member of the Ukraine population is by definition Ukrainian. Russian-speaking doesn't alter that basic fact, and is there any evidence of anyone thinking it does?
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
There was too the memory of the horrible historic crimes in the East too, and an understandable reluctance to be even slightly militaristic there.
Spread on how long before the first squawking about the old, bad, militaristic Germany on the rise starts? As I recall that was a primary factor in the blessed Margaret being against German reunification.
It's time to move on, even that was 30 years ago for Christ's sake. I think the squawking may be less than you expect.
Get back to me when squawking about the return of the Soviet Union (which was..gasp..dissolved 30 years ago) stops. People tend to resort to sterile cliché, here as much as anywhere else.
The Soviet Union cliche at least has some relevance, given Putin, while not ideologically a fan, is on record as lamenting its fall because of what it did to Russia, and his desire to expand Russia's sphere of influence in areas once covered by it is driving his actions right now.
I am not a historical expert, but by comparison I am pretty sure there are additional elements at play in fears of German militarism which would not apply if they increase their defence spending to 2%, things like an aggressive government for a start. So your 'gasp' comment is just silly if you cannot figure out a difference between the two.
I'm not saying there won't be squawking, but you like to trawl through twitter for examples of your opponent's idiotic comments (and why not, it is fun), but you surely know when it is a significant or representative opinion. And that does make a difference - if a Cabinet Minister or the First Minister says something it is more signidicant than if some random councillor in nowhereburg says something, and people trying to equate the two look like fools.
Honestly, what is the problem here? I wasn't saying you need to move on, I was saying people in general need to, and that I am optimistic fewer will be fools than you think. I may be wrong, but we shall see. I can be optimistic about human nature occasionally.
Er, no problem, you leaped in with a word salad in response to an observation that you say has some accuracy. Chill oot.
The one thing about Ukraine that we may be overlooking is that it does have a part of the population that is Russian. We don't really know what they think about the current situation. Are they happy about starting talks to join the EU and being conscripted to fight the invading Russian Army? How representative is the government and the public face of Ukraine that we see in the western media?
Apologies to peddle Kremlin talking points, but it does feel like we don't know very much about this country and make a lot of unexplored assumptions about it.
In a lot of Russian speaking areas they've given the invading troops an unfriendly welcome.
I'm just thinking back to Konstantin Kisin last week on Triggernometry. He said one half of his family in Ukraine were very happy about the invasion, the other were against it. Perhaps there is a significant part of the population who are just keeping their heads down at the moment.
Ever since they voted to leave Russia in 1991, there seems to be around 75% of the population which wants free of its interference. I suspect that number will have increased over the last week or so.
Sinn Féin 33% (+9) Fine Gael 20% (-1) Fianna Fáil 17% (-5) Greens 5% (-2) Social Democrats 4% (+1) Labour 4 (nc) People Before Profit/Solidarity 3% (nc) Aontú 2 (nc) others/independents 11% (-3)
(Red C/Business Post; 23 February 2022; 1,001; change from GE 2020)
On the subject of occupations, the story of eastern Karelia is fascinating. Finland evacuated the entire native speaking population of Vyborg, a large city, and the surrounding area at the end of the second world war. It became part of the Soviet Union, who repopulated it. Vyborg still has the appearance of a Finnish city, with some beautiful architecture (including some Alvar Aalto buildings), but is inhabited exclusively by Russians. Following the end of the cold war, Finland has never pursued any territorial claims on this area, and is very hesitant to inherit any native Russian population.
The one thing about Ukraine that we may be overlooking is that it does have a part of the population that is Russian. We don't really know what they think about the current situation. Are they happy about starting talks to join the EU and being conscripted to fight the invading Russian Army? How representative is the government and the public face of Ukraine that we see in the western media?
Apologies to peddle Kremlin talking points, but it does feel like we don't know very much about this country and make a lot of unexplored assumptions about it.
Only about 4% of Ukrainians voted for Rusophile political parties in the last elections - almost entirely in the far far East.
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
What is going on here? Amol Rajan rules himself out of the running for BBC Political Editor, the week after the presumed front-runners Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis leave the Corporation.
Not much liquidity, but Smarkets has Alex Forsyth as favourite followed by Paul Brand. I don't know much about Paul Brand as I don't watch ITV News. I assume his sexuality is influencing the betting.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
There was too the memory of the horrible historic crimes in the East too, and an understandable reluctance to be even slightly militaristic there.
Spread on how long before the first squawking about the old, bad, militaristic Germany on the rise starts? As I recall that was a primary factor in the blessed Margaret being against German reunification.
It's time to move on, even that was 30 years ago for Christ's sake. I think the squawking may be less than you expect.
Get back to me when squawking about the return of the Soviet Union (which was..gasp..dissolved 30 years ago) stops. People tend to resort to sterile cliché, here as much as anywhere else.
Not exactly sterile, when the loony in the Kremlin is trying to resuscitate the empire by force.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
Russia becoming rich was great. The problem was the wealth was expropriated by a group of corrupt colluding men.
Tragic. Why didn't I ever get the chance to become a corript oligarch in my 20s?
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
And then there was the make rich Russians British approach..
Although we were sensible enough not to become reliant on Russian energy, except very slightly.
Although don't forget that cargoes are fungible. If it's both us and Germany bidding on LNG from the US, Qatar and Australia, then we're both going to be hit equally.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
Russia becoming rich was great. The problem was the wealth was expropriated by a group of corrupt colluding men.
Russia becoming church-mouse poor is going to be better.
I'd prefer a country moderately well off with a comfortable,.prosperous general population and gangster-driven wealth concentration.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
There was too the memory of the horrible historic crimes in the East too, and an understandable reluctance to be even slightly militaristic there.
Spread on how long before the first squawking about the old, bad, militaristic Germany on the rise starts? As I recall that was a primary factor in the blessed Margaret being against German reunification.
It's time to move on, even that was 30 years ago for Christ's sake. I think the squawking may be less than you expect.
Get back to me when squawking about the return of the Soviet Union (which was..gasp..dissolved 30 years ago) stops. People tend to resort to sterile cliché, here as much as anywhere else.
The Soviet Union cliche at least has some relevance, given Putin, while not ideologically a fan, is on record as lamenting its fall because of what it did to Russia, and his desire to expand Russia's sphere of influence in areas once covered by it is driving his actions right now.
I am not a historical expert, but by comparison I am pretty sure there are additional elements at play in fears of German militarism which would not apply if they increase their defence spending to 2%, things like an aggressive government for a start. So your 'gasp' comment is just silly if you cannot figure out a difference between the two.
I'm not saying there won't be squawking, but you like to trawl through twitter for examples of your opponent's idiotic comments (and why not, it is fun), but you surely know when it is a significant or representative opinion. And that does make a difference - if a Cabinet Minister or the First Minister says something it is more signidicant than if some random councillor in nowhereburg says something, and people trying to equate the two look like fools.
Honestly, what is the problem here? I wasn't saying you need to move on, I was saying people in general need to, and that I am optimistic fewer will be fools than you think. I may be wrong, but we shall see. I can be optimistic about human nature occasionally.
Er, no problem, you leaped in with a word salad in response to an observation that you say has some accuracy. Chill oot.
Word salad is my default state, it denotes nothing. Chilling out is also good advice, if curious when you're getting pre-outraged and/or mocking about comments that haven't even happened yet! Perhaps we should both take your advice, and also wait for said comments in order to be chill?
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
Russia becoming rich was great. The problem was the wealth was expropriated by a group of corrupt colluding men.
Tragic. Why didn't I ever get the chance to become a corript oligarch in my 20s?
Because you are a fundamentally decent human being.
I’ve met many in my various peregrinations. I don’t like any of them.
The one thing about Ukraine that we may be overlooking is that it does have a part of the population that is Russian. We don't really know what they think about the current situation. Are they happy about starting talks to join the EU and being conscripted to fight the invading Russian Army? How representative is the government and the public face of Ukraine that we see in the western media?
Apologies to peddle Kremlin talking points, but it does feel like we don't know very much about this country and make a lot of unexplored assumptions about it.
In what sense Russian? A member of the Ukraine population is by definition Ukrainian. Russian-speaking doesn't alter that basic fact, and is there any evidence of anyone thinking it does?
Almost every Ukrainian is a Russian speaker anyway.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
Russia becoming rich was great. The problem was the wealth was expropriated by a group of corrupt colluding men.
Russia becoming church-mouse poor is going to be better.
I'd prefer a country moderately well off with a comfortable,.prosperous general population and gangster-driven wealth concentration.
Sinn Féin 33% (+9) Fine Gael 20% (-1) Fianna Fáil 17% (-5) Greens 5% (-2) Social Democrats 4% (+1) Labour 4 (nc) People Before Profit/Solidarity 3% (nc) Aontú 2 (nc) others/independents 11% (-3)
(Red C/Business Post; 23 February 2022; 1,001; change from GE 2020)
That is a terrible poll for both FG and FF even though Sinn Fein is 'only' on 33% . Would be nice to see some properly detailed seat/constituency projections.
Re Germany, they made a massive fundamental mistake: they thought that by drawing Russia close to them, they would help pacify them. Trade would make Russia rich, and as Russia became richer it would become more peaceful.
Russia becoming rich was great. The problem was the wealth was expropriated by a group of corrupt colluding men.
Russia becoming church-mouse poor is going to be better.
I'd prefer a country moderately well off with a comfortable,.prosperous general population and gangster-driven wealth concentration.
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Part one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J_EBCXANJo
Part two https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfvUGco_Bz8
Not sure even Putin wants to reclaim that, but you never know ...
Unless you are going to expel all of them, then it's just going to cause you massive amounts of trouble.
This bit made me lol:
Guido thinks if the Mirror’s Pippa Crerar were to become the BBC’s political editor, Nadine Dorries would present a government Bill to privatise the BBC the next day.
On that theme - re ; the picture of the Communist-flagged tank in Kiev from the other day, FPT. Here's a interesting wildcard just to get a few thoughts going, as much as anything else.
If you were an alliance of Lukashenko and his Belarussian communist supporters, the Oligarchs, and China - possibly the only alliance that could get rid of Putin - what would be the only thing you could work on ?
Chinese-style communism.
The incoherence at the heart of anti-westernism
Enemies of the west see it as an oppressor and a decadent pushover at the same time
JANAN GANESH"
https://www.ft.com/content/d1c99cbb-3494-45dc-87bc-1b76d5fca77b
I remember trying to explain to a youngster how the Really Real IRA, the Keepin' It Real IRA and the rest justified their position
"But the whole solution of Ireland *voted*. South, North, Unionist, Nationalist" - she said
"But they don't believe that voting decides whether Ireland is partitioned" - me
"But... But..."
She literally didn't conceive that they weren't interested in democracy. Didn't accept the "right of the people to do wrong". People in other far away countries, sure.... but not here.
It's only since about 1989 that this universalist belief that democracy is the Only Answer has really taken root.
I grew up with MPs saying, openly, that People's Democracies (Communist One Party Dictatorships) were more democratic than all that voting nonsense.
It's just a call back to Olde Days when lines were drawn on maps, and the populations behind those lines just shut up and got on with it. If they didn't, well, they got tidied up. The Head Count are like other property - cherished if useful, slaughtered if not.
Gets rid of Murkowski and some liberal Californians. Trump may be in favour.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-57733127
So not much incentive to go for it.
They were making Putin rich.
I've said it will be Sam Coates from day 1 and I'm sticking with that.
As a science master who'd happily be much more provincial than I am, I admit that I simply don't get ambition. But I can fully understand people with sharp political antennae running a mile from the job.
I like Adam Fleming, but I think it might be a bit too soon for him.
As to Big Hat, he certainly kept on more Soviet trappings than most of the post-Soviet states. Belarus's flag is that of the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic minus the hammer and sickle, and their air force still uses the Soviet red star (as did Russia's until 2011 when they added a bit of white and blue, still mainly a red star though). Lukashanka's no more a communist than Putin is; he's just a bit more nostalgic about it.
https://twitter.com/PoliticalAP/status/1498417561280593926
Political Partridge
@PoliticalAP
Да! Это расширитель!
Whether Russia will be quite so foolish with Ukraine remains to be seen.
And become the butt of PB jokes ?
I’m shocked.
Apologies to peddle Kremlin talking points, but it does feel like we don't know very much about this country and make a lot of unexplored assumptions about it.
Edit: Possibly a little too non-partisan.
Speaking of Cummings, his links to Russia are about to bite him in the arse I suspect; given the enemies he’s made in Government.
Stop making me feel old!
https://mobile.twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1498726279494909957
https://order-order.com/2022/01/16/vicki-young-wont-replace-laura-kuenssberg/
Hardly his fault it hasn't worked out, but still...
I am not a historical expert, but by comparison I am pretty sure there are additional elements at play in fears of German militarism which would not apply if they increase their defence spending to 2%, things like an aggressive government for a start. So your 'gasp' comment is just silly if you cannot figure out a difference between the two.
I'm not saying there won't be squawking, but you like to trawl through twitter for examples of your opponent's idiotic comments (and why not, it is fun), but you surely know when it is a significant or representative opinion. And that does make a difference - if a Cabinet Minister or the First Minister says something it is more signidicant than if some random councillor in nowhereburg says something, and people trying to equate the two look like fools.
Honestly, what is the problem here? I wasn't saying you need to move on, I was saying people in general need to, and that I am optimistic fewer will be fools than you think. I may be wrong, but we shall see. I can be optimistic about human nature occasionally.
I've met a fair number of Ukrainians and they acknowledge the divisions in their country, but they all think it's their country.
Putin has secured a Macron victory
The French Right is on the wrong side of history
BY JOHN LICHFIELD"
https://unherd.com/2022/03/putin-has-secured-a-macron-victory/
* fortunately my father's thoughts on this were expressed out of her earshot!
There's just no limit to his perfidy.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/02/28/putin-calls-west-empire-of-lies-as-sanctions-slam-russian-economy-a76652
Sorry.
/coat
I suspect that number will have increased over the last week or so.
Sinn Féin 33% (+9)
Fine Gael 20% (-1)
Fianna Fáil 17% (-5)
Greens 5% (-2)
Social Democrats 4% (+1)
Labour 4 (nc)
People Before Profit/Solidarity 3% (nc)
Aontú 2 (nc)
others/independents 11% (-3)
(Red C/Business Post; 23 February 2022; 1,001; change from GE 2020)
Not much liquidity, but Smarkets has Alex Forsyth as favourite followed by Paul Brand. I don't know much about Paul Brand as I don't watch ITV News. I assume his sexuality is influencing the betting.
I’ve met many in my various peregrinations. I don’t like any of them.
Hannah
@teaforpterosaur
1pm
Hang on is meatloaf just a massive sausage
Hannah
@teaforpterosaur
8m
Guys stop this if I meant Meat Loaf that's what I would have said
You want gangster driven wealth concentration?
Are you secretly @HYUFD?