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Great question to the PM from Sky’s Beth Rigby – politicalbetting.com

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edited March 2022 in General
Great question to the PM from Sky’s Beth Rigby – politicalbetting.com

Q: PM, You've spoken country getting its confidence back. But to scientists, you're clear pandemic's far from over. Are u you anxious rather than confident? [PM: I don't want you to think there is some division between gun ho politicians & cautious, anxious scientists] https://t.co/rEcOWRxsiv

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  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    edited February 2022
    I view it positively.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    I view it positively.

    Out of interest, is the likelihood of your prediction of Boris supposedly being out by tomorrow (if iI've got the right date) beginning to worry you? Not being funny, just...you did rather nail down a very specific timeframe for it.
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    edited February 2022
    Plenty of credible reporters on twitter reporting that Russians have rolled into the Donbas (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1495872290256523264/ ), only question now is whether they're there to reinforce the existing line (unlikely given that Ukraine have no desire to push it back), to push it out to take the whole of the oblasts, or to occupy most Ukrainian troops as a Belgorad&Azov sea pincer closes in to prevent them falling back to Kyiv.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    Off topic...

    Today my wife did Wordle in 2.

    Yours truly took 5.

  • Not sure how I see it as a gamble.

    Cases dropping like a stone. Spring and the natural decline of such viruses only a week or two away. If there is a new variant of evil proportions, then it will hit in October and not in next few weeks. The vulnerable boosted.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,812

    Off topic...

    Today my wife did Wordle in 2.

    Yours truly took 5.

    Divorce?
  • I would love to come to the PB meet, but part of me thinks it's too early.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    EXTREMELY OFF TOPIC QUESTION FOR PB-ERS

    But maybe we need some cheering distraction

    The Dildo Knapper's Gazette wants to send me write about flintwork in some corner of Europe, Australia or north America that they feel has been unjustly neglected by travellers

    Does anyone have any ideas?

    I've just been looking at the list of national parks in Europe for some inspiration. There are 500 or more, most of which I've barely or never heard of


    eg these new ones in France:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forêts_National_Park


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calanques_National_Park


    How many others must be out there? -

    Italy has a zillion national parks:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollino_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parco_Nazionale_del_Cilento,_Vallo_di_Diano_e_Alburni

    ?

    Germany:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Switzerland_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasmund_National_Park

    And so much more. Has anyone got a favourite secret corner of Europe?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,288
    Look, I've been on the Sturgeon, cautious side during most of this, and I wonder if a little too much is being stripped back on the monitoring side, but I'm not uncomfortable with 2 weeks one way or another in derestricting now on the downswing than I was thinking the restrictions were pitched a little too gung ho on the upswing.

    The interplay is something we've not noted much - but what would Sturgeon, Drakeford & co have done without Johnson, and how gung ho might Johnson have gone without the others. Each managed their own stupidities, but overall devolution has pulled each nation to a more middling position which ultimately worked as a strength, and I'm grateful to the devolved governments for the bits of gravitational pull they exerted on the English response. Overall, COVID has shown various forms of devolution in a good light.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    Any change is a gamble. It's too easy for that phrase to be used, not by OGH I am sure, to imply it must be wrong.

    The last gamble at Christmas, whatever lay behind the choice, paid off as the impact was low. This decision brought forward may in part be an attempt at distraction, but if so that won't work since if people stop focusing on Covid stuff they will be able to focus on other stuff.

    Ultimately if people think the covid situation is bad they will think this move is too soon. If they don't think the situation is bad then even if they are nervous now, they will come to see it as the right move later, as they did in the summer.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986
    Leon said:

    EXTREMELY OFF TOPIC QUESTION FOR PB-ERS

    But maybe we need some cheering distraction

    The Dildo Knapper's Gazette wants to send me write about flintwork in some corner of Europe, Australia or north America that they feel has been unjustly neglected by travellers

    Does anyone have any ideas?

    I've just been looking at the list of national parks in Europe for some inspiration. There are 500 or more, most of which I've barely or never heard of


    eg these new ones in France:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forêts_National_Park


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calanques_National_Park


    How many others must be out there? -

    Italy has a zillion national parks:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollino_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parco_Nazionale_del_Cilento,_Vallo_di_Diano_e_Alburni

    ?

    Germany:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Switzerland_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasmund_National_Park

    And so much more. Has anyone got a favourite secret corner of Europe?

    Close to home, Beaujolais. The French Tuscany. Particularly the Pierres Dorées to the South.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    I would love to come to the PB meet, but part of me thinks it's too early.

    You always say you've got a bad feeling about this drop

    Just come. Masked if you like
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    I view it positively.

    Out of interest, is the likelihood of your prediction of Boris supposedly being out by tomorrow (if iI've got the right date) beginning to worry you? Not being funny, just...you did rather nail down a very specific timeframe for it.
    Absolutely. I didn’t just pluck it out there air, it was carefully analysed with all sorts of considerations and granularity.

    Far to early to doubt me. Still more than 26 hours to go.

    My main concern now is he doesn’t have an accident, fall over a suitcase and out a window choke to death on a pretzel or something, or the MET will be straight round to interrogate me!
  • It is the right thing to do but I do not expect it to be popular
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986
    Chameleon said:

    Plenty of credible reporters on twitter reporting that Russians have rolled into the Donbas (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1495872290256523264/ ), only question now is whether they're there to reinforce the existing line (unlikely given that Ukraine have no desire to push it back), to push it out to take the whole of the oblasts, or to occupy most Ukrainian troops as a Belgorad&Azov sea pincer closes in to prevent them falling back to Kyiv.

    I see the useful idiots on Twitter have switched from “Oi Joe, stop panic mongering” to “NATO provoked this. Failure of diplomacy.”
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    TimS said:

    Chameleon said:

    Plenty of credible reporters on twitter reporting that Russians have rolled into the Donbas (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1495872290256523264/ ), only question now is whether they're there to reinforce the existing line (unlikely given that Ukraine have no desire to push it back), to push it out to take the whole of the oblasts, or to occupy most Ukrainian troops as a Belgorad&Azov sea pincer closes in to prevent them falling back to Kyiv.

    I see the useful idiots on Twitter have switched from “Oi Joe, stop panic mongering” to “NATO provoked this. Failure of diplomacy.”
    They refused to give Russia whatever it wanted, that means Russia is entitled to whatever it wants.
  • HYUFD said:

    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B

    Tonight's RedfieldWilton poll's details are a horror show for Boris
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    kle4 said:

    So if Boris appears at some point with Whitty and Vallance does that mean the implication from some tweets earlier that he was operating with no regard to advice incorrect? Whether they support this move or not, if they appear that surely means

    LOL - Sky News are torn between Boris's ramble or Vlad's ramble.

    Perhaps they could decide the whole thing by rap battle.
    My name is Big Vlad and I'm here to say
    Ukraine is a geopolitical fiction created in the 1920s by Bolsheviks to encourage nationalist ambitions on the imperial periphery and has no statehood traditions of its own.

    Could use some work
    They call me Big Vlad, but not the Impaler,
    I'm drawin' the map of Russia on a bigger scaler,
    When they see my military build up, they be hatin' hard,
    But I tell 'em the breakaway provinces of Donetsk and Lugansk are Russia's back yard!
    The video evidence from my homiez is shaky,
    Biden's up in my grill saying the attacks is fakey,
    So I've gathered the world's press and I'm givin em my takey,
    'Ukraine only exists cause of Stalin's mistakey!'

    Oh, my coat, how kind.


    New threaders should still see this.
  • Chair of Young Labour not doing herself or Labour any favours on BBC just now
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    EXTREMELY OFF TOPIC QUESTION FOR PB-ERS

    But maybe we need some cheering distraction

    The Dildo Knapper's Gazette wants to send me write about flintwork in some corner of Europe, Australia or north America that they feel has been unjustly neglected by travellers

    Does anyone have any ideas?

    I've just been looking at the list of national parks in Europe for some inspiration. There are 500 or more, most of which I've barely or never heard of


    eg these new ones in France:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forêts_National_Park


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calanques_National_Park


    How many others must be out there? -

    Italy has a zillion national parks:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollino_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parco_Nazionale_del_Cilento,_Vallo_di_Diano_e_Alburni

    ?

    Germany:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Switzerland_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasmund_National_Park

    And so much more. Has anyone got a favourite secret corner of Europe?

    Close to home, Beaujolais. The French Tuscany. Particularly the Pierres Dorées to the South.
    Incredibly, that is on my list already. The golden villages of the Beaujolais. Went there a few years ago. Delightful. And nice wine, too, of course, tho you can get bored of Gamay
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    5k 1st does vaccinations yesterday. Who are these people, those just that day eligible by age?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    So if Boris appears at some point with Whitty and Vallance does that mean the implication from some tweets earlier that he was operating with no regard to advice incorrect? Whether they support this move or not, if they appear that surely means

    LOL - Sky News are torn between Boris's ramble or Vlad's ramble.

    Perhaps they could decide the whole thing by rap battle.
    My name is Big Vlad and I'm here to say
    Ukraine is a geopolitical fiction created in the 1920s by Bolsheviks to encourage nationalist ambitions on the imperial periphery and has no statehood traditions of its own.

    Could use some work
    They call me Big Vlad, but not the Impaler,
    I'm drawin' the map of Russia on a bigger scaler,
    When they see my military build up, they be hatin' hard,
    But I tell 'em the breakaway provinces of Donetsk and Lugansk are Russia's back yard!
    The video evidence from my homiez is shaky,
    Biden's up in my grill saying the attacks is fakey,
    So I've gathered the world's press and I'm givin em my takey,
    'Ukraine only exists cause of Stalin's mistakey!'

    Oh, my coat, how kind.


    New threaders should still see this.
    I'm reading it in my head to the theme tune from Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Not sure that was the intention, but sorta works.
  • Classic QTWAIN from Mike.

    No its not too early. Its about a year late. Should have been done once everyone had been offered the opportunity to be fully vaccinated, instead we've had another year of restrictions and got through the winter which was always going to be the most challenging time.

    If not now, when?
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,590
    kle4 said:

    5k 1st does vaccinations yesterday. Who are these people, those just that day eligible by age?

    There are ~1500-2000 births a day in the UK so it is quite possible that a significant proportion of that are people newly eligible.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    So if Boris appears at some point with Whitty and Vallance does that mean the implication from some tweets earlier that he was operating with no regard to advice incorrect? Whether they support this move or not, if they appear that surely means

    LOL - Sky News are torn between Boris's ramble or Vlad's ramble.

    Perhaps they could decide the whole thing by rap battle.
    My name is Big Vlad and I'm here to say
    Ukraine is a geopolitical fiction created in the 1920s by Bolsheviks to encourage nationalist ambitions on the imperial periphery and has no statehood traditions of its own.

    Could use some work
    They call me Big Vlad, but not the Impaler,
    I'm drawin' the map of Russia on a bigger scaler,
    When they see my military build up, they be hatin' hard,
    But I tell 'em the breakaway provinces of Donetsk and Lugansk are Russia's back yard!
    The video evidence from my homiez is shaky,
    Biden's up in my grill saying the attacks is fakey,
    So I've gathered the world's press and I'm givin em my takey,
    'Ukraine only exists cause of Stalin's mistakey!'

    Oh, my coat, how kind.


    New threaders should still see this.
    I'm reading it in my head to the theme tune from Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Not sure that was the intention, but sorta works.
    That's how I hear every post in my head. Doesn't everyone?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    EXTREMELY OFF TOPIC QUESTION FOR PB-ERS

    But maybe we need some cheering distraction

    The Dildo Knapper's Gazette wants to send me write about flintwork in some corner of Europe, Australia or north America that they feel has been unjustly neglected by travellers

    Does anyone have any ideas?

    I've just been looking at the list of national parks in Europe for some inspiration. There are 500 or more, most of which I've barely or never heard of


    eg these new ones in France:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forêts_National_Park


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calanques_National_Park


    How many others must be out there? -

    Italy has a zillion national parks:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollino_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parco_Nazionale_del_Cilento,_Vallo_di_Diano_e_Alburni

    ?

    Germany:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Switzerland_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasmund_National_Park

    And so much more. Has anyone got a favourite secret corner of Europe?

    Close to home, Beaujolais. The French Tuscany. Particularly the Pierres Dorées to the South.
    Incredibly, that is on my list already. The golden villages of the Beaujolais. Went there a few years ago. Delightful. And nice wine, too, of course, tho you can get bored of Gamay
    I am looking at the Picos de Europa in Spain as a possible alternative to Pyrenees
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    Pro_Rata said:

    Look, I've been on the Sturgeon, cautious side during most of this, and I wonder if a little too much is being stripped back on the monitoring side, but I'm not uncomfortable with 2 weeks one way or another in derestricting now on the downswing than I was thinking the restrictions were pitched a little too gung ho on the upswing.

    The interplay is something we've not noted much - but what would Sturgeon, Drakeford & co have done without Johnson, and how gung ho might Johnson have gone without the others. Each managed their own stupidities, but overall devolution has pulled each nation to a more middling position which ultimately worked as a strength, and I'm grateful to the devolved governments for the bits of gravitational pull they exerted on the English response. Overall, COVID has shown various forms of devolution in a good light.

    I'm not sure how much, if any, influence that the devolved Governments have had upon the English response. Ironically, however, just as devolution has created the space for four slightly different responses, the reason why they haven't been a lot more different is also, arguably, devolution - more precisely, the flaws in the current model thereof.

    Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all have substantially legislative and administrative autonomy, but they're also yoked to the UK Government's approach by being so dependent on the block grant for funding. It would've been interesting to see what would've happened if they also had significant borrowing powers and substantial control over their own tax base, and could therefore raise the extra funds needed to pursue a more Draconian response.

    I consider it highly likely that Wales, at the very least, would've gone into a full panic lockdown in the Dutch mode in the run-up to Christmas, if the Senedd had been able to vote itself the additional funds to restore widespread furlough and support for shuttered businesses.
  • dobbindobbin Posts: 28
    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    EXTREMELY OFF TOPIC QUESTION FOR PB-ERS

    But maybe we need some cheering distraction

    The Dildo Knapper's Gazette wants to send me write about flintwork in some corner of Europe, Australia or north America that they feel has been unjustly neglected by travellers

    Does anyone have any ideas?

    I've just been looking at the list of national parks in Europe for some inspiration. There are 500 or more, most of which I've barely or never heard of


    eg these new ones in France:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forêts_National_Park


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calanques_National_Park


    How many others must be out there? -

    Italy has a zillion national parks:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollino_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parco_Nazionale_del_Cilento,_Vallo_di_Diano_e_Alburni

    ?

    Germany:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Switzerland_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasmund_National_Park

    And so much more. Has anyone got a favourite secret corner of Europe?

    Close to home, Beaujolais. The French Tuscany. Particularly the Pierres Dorées to the South.
    Transnistria- a quiet night knapping on the Bucharest to Chisinau sleeper then a minivan to Tiraspol. They are extremely welcoming of tourists once through the Russian ex Special Forces on the border checkpoint.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    IshmaelZ said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    EXTREMELY OFF TOPIC QUESTION FOR PB-ERS

    But maybe we need some cheering distraction

    The Dildo Knapper's Gazette wants to send me write about flintwork in some corner of Europe, Australia or north America that they feel has been unjustly neglected by travellers

    Does anyone have any ideas?

    I've just been looking at the list of national parks in Europe for some inspiration. There are 500 or more, most of which I've barely or never heard of


    eg these new ones in France:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forêts_National_Park


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calanques_National_Park


    How many others must be out there? -

    Italy has a zillion national parks:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollino_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parco_Nazionale_del_Cilento,_Vallo_di_Diano_e_Alburni

    ?

    Germany:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Switzerland_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasmund_National_Park

    And so much more. Has anyone got a favourite secret corner of Europe?

    Close to home, Beaujolais. The French Tuscany. Particularly the Pierres Dorées to the South.
    Incredibly, that is on my list already. The golden villages of the Beaujolais. Went there a few years ago. Delightful. And nice wine, too, of course, tho you can get bored of Gamay
    I am looking at the Picos de Europa in Spain as a possible alternative to Pyrenees
    I always make my Beef Bourguignon with a Louis Janot. Beaujolais Villages 2018.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,130

    Not sure how I see it as a gamble.

    Cases dropping like a stone. Spring and the natural decline of such viruses only a week or two away.

    Depends somewhat on your location, I think. If the case graph locally to me looked like the national one I'd be happier -- as it is I'd rather give it another couple of weeks for cases and hospitalisations to drop further first. But on the other hand there weren't that many legal restrictions left and I'm not sure people will change their behaviour as a result of this announcement -- I guess we'll find out. I do think the government is also a little too eager to stop spending money on testing and with the sick pay changes -- the restriction changes would be an easier sell to me if they weren't bundled along with those.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Many thanks for the suggestions already made

    Piran in Slovenia looks amazing. Inland Montenegro! The north of Calabria where it meets Campania....

    Europe really does have a bewildering array of attractions. Sublime
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    @Leon Lake Bohinj, Slovenia.

    Leave the crowds at Lake Bled and enjoy mountains, meadows and waterfalls.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    On topic -

    R is about 0.8 for cases. Anyone want to *bet* that lifting the remaining restrictions will push up R by more than 0.2?

    image
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    HYUFD said:

    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B

    Tonight's RedfieldWilton poll's details are a horror show for Boris
    Labour advance just a MOEish 1, but Boris and Sunak’s ratings tank. Odd.
  • kle4 said:

    5k 1st does vaccinations yesterday. Who are these people, those just that day eligible by age?

    My council has been doing sessions in local library in last couple of weeks for people who have not yet had a vax and have fears and issues. A kind of counselling session with a GP and so on. Talk them through their fears.

    Maybe this is happening elsewhere?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918

    HYUFD said:

    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B

    Tonight's RedfieldWilton poll's details are a horror show for Boris
    Labour only 6% ahead in tonight's RedfieldWilton is hardly a horror show

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1495812760390746114?s=20&t=fobHH1_bjugbo0VqYpFCAQ
  • HYUFD said:

    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B

    Tonight's RedfieldWilton poll's details are a horror show for Boris
    Labour advance just a MOEish 1, but Boris and Sunak’s ratings tank. Odd.
    Two months and 15 days since the last Tory poll lead, which was Redfield & Wilton on 6th December.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B

    Tonight's RedfieldWilton poll's details are a horror show for Boris
    Labour only 6% ahead in tonight's RedfieldWilton is hardly a horror show

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1495812760390746114?s=20&t=fobHH1_bjugbo0VqYpFCAQ
    Read the whole report - it is a disaster for Boris
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    I would love to come to the PB meet, but part of me thinks it's too early.

    When is the meet? I might be in the UK for a conference so could probably sneak up to London.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B

    Tonight's RedfieldWilton poll's details are a horror show for Boris
    Labour only 6% ahead in tonight's RedfieldWilton is hardly a horror show

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1495812760390746114?s=20&t=fobHH1_bjugbo0VqYpFCAQ
    But Boris and Sunak’s ratings in free fall at same time proves Big G is right.
  • Johnson's ratings tanked way prior to the voting intentions crashing, I was saying a Labour lead was on the cards when this was happening and people were calling me crazy.

    We will see a 15 point lead by 2024.
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    kle4 said:

    5k 1st does vaccinations yesterday. Who are these people, those just that day eligible by age?

    My council has been doing sessions in local library in last couple of weeks for people who have not yet had a vax and have fears and issues. A kind of counselling session with a GP and so on. Talk them through their fears.

    Maybe this is happening elsewhere?
    Some kids aging in? Each day there must be a couple of thousand of them reaching eligible age.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839

    HYUFD said:

    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B

    Tonight's RedfieldWilton poll's details are a horror show for Boris
    Labour advance just a MOEish 1, but Boris and Sunak’s ratings tank. Odd.
    I reckon that's because the Conservative VI number has already reached its floor. Major managed to salvage 31% of the vote from the 1997 bloodbath, and the median age of the population has increased by about three or four years since then. I don't see them polling below about a third of the popular vote in the next general election.
  • https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1495823144376057861

    Starmer now leading on the economy in a big way
  • https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1495820728070983682

    At this moment, which of the following individuals do you think would be the better Prime Minister for the UK? (21 Feb)

    Keir Starmer: 37% (-2)
    Boris Johnson: 29% (-6)

    Changes +/- 14 Feb

    Tied lowest % to say Boris Johnson in our polling to date.
  • All Net Approval Ratings (21 Feb):

    Rishi Sunak: +4% (-6)
    Keir Starmer: -1% (+4)
    Boris Johnson: -31% (-8)

    Changes +/- 14 Feb

    Bye bye Rishi
  • Johnson's ratings tanked way prior to the voting intentions crashing, I was saying a Labour lead was on the cards when this was happening and people were calling me crazy.

    We will see a 15 point lead by 2024.

    A week is along time in politics - counting chickens 2 years away is brave
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,419
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    So if Boris appears at some point with Whitty and Vallance does that mean the implication from some tweets earlier that he was operating with no regard to advice incorrect? Whether they support this move or not, if they appear that surely means

    LOL - Sky News are torn between Boris's ramble or Vlad's ramble.

    Perhaps they could decide the whole thing by rap battle.
    My name is Big Vlad and I'm here to say
    Ukraine is a geopolitical fiction created in the 1920s by Bolsheviks to encourage nationalist ambitions on the imperial periphery and has no statehood traditions of its own.

    Could use some work
    They call me Big Vlad, but not the Impaler,
    I'm drawin' the map of Russia on a bigger scaler,
    When they see my military build up, they be hatin' hard,
    But I tell 'em the breakaway provinces of Donetsk and Lugansk are Russia's back yard!
    The video evidence from my homiez is shaky,
    Biden's up in my grill saying the attacks is fakey,
    So I've gathered the world's press and I'm givin em my takey,
    'Ukraine only exists cause of Stalin's mistakey!'

    Oh, my coat, how kind.


    New threaders should still see this.
    :lol: They really shouldn't.

    And because nobody asked, here's Bojo's response.

    I'm flyin' around the planet on Boforce1,
    I'm telling em all that the time for diplomacy is done,
    Liz Truss got a fur hat like Dr. Zhivago
    But after Lavrov, I made her travel with the cargo
    There's only one man who can deal with this threat
    Forget that I'm under investigation by the Met!
    I'm chanellin' Winston like it's 39,
    I'm sendin' Russia into permanent decline,
    When she see me in the streets of Kiev they's cryin,
    Rishi's chances of becoming PM is dyin'
    We're gonna give Putin a helluva hidin',
    (I get all my scripts from Uncle Joe Biden)

    Etc.

  • TimT said:

    I would love to come to the PB meet, but part of me thinks it's too early.

    When is the meet? I might be in the UK for a conference so could probably sneak up to London.
    Next Wednesday March 2nd.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    HYUFD said:

    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B

    Tonight's RedfieldWilton poll's details are a horror show for Boris
    Labour advance just a MOEish 1, but Boris and Sunak’s ratings tank. Odd.
    Two months and 15 days since the last Tory poll lead, which was Redfield & Wilton on 6th December.
    They have hit 35 a few times, but haven’t broken that for a while.

    In fact for all the talk they have made a recovery in polls, they seemed to be slipping away from 35 not closer. That suggest talk of a polling recovery is just spin. 🤔
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    So if Boris appears at some point with Whitty and Vallance does that mean the implication from some tweets earlier that he was operating with no regard to advice incorrect? Whether they support this move or not, if they appear that surely means

    LOL - Sky News are torn between Boris's ramble or Vlad's ramble.

    Perhaps they could decide the whole thing by rap battle.
    My name is Big Vlad and I'm here to say
    Ukraine is a geopolitical fiction created in the 1920s by Bolsheviks to encourage nationalist ambitions on the imperial periphery and has no statehood traditions of its own.

    Could use some work
    They call me Big Vlad, but not the Impaler,
    I'm drawin' the map of Russia on a bigger scaler,
    When they see my military build up, they be hatin' hard,
    But I tell 'em the breakaway provinces of Donetsk and Lugansk are Russia's back yard!
    The video evidence from my homiez is shaky,
    Biden's up in my grill saying the attacks is fakey,
    So I've gathered the world's press and I'm givin em my takey,
    'Ukraine only exists cause of Stalin's mistakey!'

    Oh, my coat, how kind.


    New threaders should still see this.
    :lol: They really shouldn't.

    Well, it's making me smile at any rate. Thank you.
  • dobbin said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    EXTREMELY OFF TOPIC QUESTION FOR PB-ERS

    But maybe we need some cheering distraction

    The Dildo Knapper's Gazette wants to send me write about flintwork in some corner of Europe, Australia or north America that they feel has been unjustly neglected by travellers

    Does anyone have any ideas?

    I've just been looking at the list of national parks in Europe for some inspiration. There are 500 or more, most of which I've barely or never heard of


    eg these new ones in France:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forêts_National_Park


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calanques_National_Park


    How many others must be out there? -

    Italy has a zillion national parks:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollino_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parco_Nazionale_del_Cilento,_Vallo_di_Diano_e_Alburni

    ?

    Germany:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Switzerland_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasmund_National_Park

    And so much more. Has anyone got a favourite secret corner of Europe?

    Close to home, Beaujolais. The French Tuscany. Particularly the Pierres Dorées to the South.
    Transnistria- a quiet night knapping on the Bucharest to Chisinau sleeper then a minivan to Tiraspol. They are extremely welcoming of tourists once through the Russian ex Special Forces on the border checkpoint.
    Have a Bender in Bender :lol:
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,553
    edited February 2022
    BBC News:

    "Putin Orders Troops Into Eastern Ukraine"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,586
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    iSAGE: "It's not a good idea".

    Also iSAGE: "By opening up in July the UK is undergoing a wildly dangerous experiment", "Christmas will be a disaster unless we lockdown now" "the modelling is right, the NHS will collapse next week" etc etc

    Now look, just because their predictions of doom have always been wrong up to now, doesn’t mean they are wrong this time...
  • HYUFD said:

    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B

    Tonight's RedfieldWilton poll's details are a horror show for Boris
    Labour advance just a MOEish 1, but Boris and Sunak’s ratings tank. Odd.
    Two months and 15 days since the last Tory poll lead, which was Redfield & Wilton on 6th December.
    They have hit 35 a few times, but haven’t broken that for a while.

    In fact for all the talk they have made a recovery in polls, they seemed to be slipping away from 35 not closer. That suggest talk of a polling recovery is just spin. 🤔
    There is little evidence the conservative vote is improving beyond 32-34% but we are a long way from GE 24 and assuming labour are home and dry is optimistic
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B

    Tonight's RedfieldWilton poll's details are a horror show for Boris
    Labour only 6% ahead in tonight's RedfieldWilton is hardly a horror show

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1495812760390746114?s=20&t=fobHH1_bjugbo0VqYpFCAQ
    But Boris and Sunak’s ratings in free fall at same time proves Big G is right.
    Sunak's ratings in free fall is surely good for Boris? The only way he is replaced as Tory leader and PM is Labour over 10% ahead, they aren't and Sunak far more popular than he is
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    @Leon Lake Bohinj, Slovenia.

    Leave the crowds at Lake Bled and enjoy mountains, meadows and waterfalls.

    Bohinj is stunning for its tranquility. If I were religious, this is the awe I'd expect.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1495823144376057861

    Starmer now leading on the economy in a big way

    Presumably because of all the policies he’s laid out.


    Or just maybe the numbers are just a response to the shit show of a government in recent times.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B

    Tonight's RedfieldWilton poll's details are a horror show for Boris
    Labour only 6% ahead in tonight's RedfieldWilton is hardly a horror show

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1495812760390746114?s=20&t=fobHH1_bjugbo0VqYpFCAQ
    But Boris and Sunak’s ratings in free fall at same time proves Big G is right.
    Sunak's ratings in free fall is surely good for Boris? The only way he is replaced as Tory leader and PM is Labour over 10% ahead, they aren't and Sunak far more popular than he is
    Sunak +4

    Boris - 31

    Boris is underwater no matter how you spin it
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    pigeon said:

    HYUFD said:

    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B

    Tonight's RedfieldWilton poll's details are a horror show for Boris
    Labour advance just a MOEish 1, but Boris and Sunak’s ratings tank. Odd.
    I reckon that's because the Conservative VI number has already reached its floor. Major managed to salvage 31% of the vote from the 1997 bloodbath, and the median age of the population has increased by about three or four years since then. I don't see them polling below about a third of the popular vote in the next general election.
    I think you are right. Looking at the Blair landslides Tory’s polled 31 and 33.

    Our friend Bart, who will appear any second is also right! In a mid term poll in a scandal it can dip lower or Labour have more double digit leads.

    The big drop in Boris and Sunak’s rating over 1 week, with no reasoning for it as parliament was closed, I reckon is a rougue poll. Next week has them leaping up for no reason 🙂
  • TimTTimT Posts: 6,468

    TimT said:

    I would love to come to the PB meet, but part of me thinks it's too early.

    When is the meet? I might be in the UK for a conference so could probably sneak up to London.
    Next Wednesday March 2nd.
    Damn, the conference starts that day, in Steyning, Sussex
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,419

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    So if Boris appears at some point with Whitty and Vallance does that mean the implication from some tweets earlier that he was operating with no regard to advice incorrect? Whether they support this move or not, if they appear that surely means

    LOL - Sky News are torn between Boris's ramble or Vlad's ramble.

    Perhaps they could decide the whole thing by rap battle.
    My name is Big Vlad and I'm here to say
    Ukraine is a geopolitical fiction created in the 1920s by Bolsheviks to encourage nationalist ambitions on the imperial periphery and has no statehood traditions of its own.

    Could use some work
    They call me Big Vlad, but not the Impaler,
    I'm drawin' the map of Russia on a bigger scaler,
    When they see my military build up, they be hatin' hard,
    But I tell 'em the breakaway provinces of Donetsk and Lugansk are Russia's back yard!
    The video evidence from my homiez is shaky,
    Biden's up in my grill saying the attacks is fakey,
    So I've gathered the world's press and I'm givin em my takey,
    'Ukraine only exists cause of Stalin's mistakey!'

    Oh, my coat, how kind.


    New threaders should still see this.
    I'm reading it in my head to the theme tune from Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Not sure that was the intention, but sorta works.
    :lol: I was goi f for early LLCoolJ, so much the same.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,523
    Leon said:

    EXTREMELY OFF TOPIC QUESTION FOR PB-ERS

    But maybe we need some cheering distraction

    The Dildo Knapper's Gazette wants to send me write about flintwork in some corner of Europe, Australia or north America that they feel has been unjustly neglected by travellers

    Does anyone have any ideas?

    I've just been looking at the list of national parks in Europe for some inspiration. There are 500 or more, most of which I've barely or never heard of


    eg these new ones in France:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forêts_National_Park


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calanques_National_Park


    How many others must be out there? -

    Italy has a zillion national parks:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollino_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parco_Nazionale_del_Cilento,_Vallo_di_Diano_e_Alburni

    ?

    Germany:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Switzerland_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasmund_National_Park

    And so much more. Has anyone got a favourite secret corner of Europe?

    I always think nostalgically of Gradara, where I was invited for the launch of the Italian edition of my first book. We had a bedroom facing the sea in an incredibly romantic small hotel (can't remember which now, maybe the Thea) and slept within sight and sound of the Adriatic waves. The launch was at a conference in the Castello, which is halfway between a castle and a country house - apparently family-owned through the Middle
    Ages, with a modest torture chamber which we were assured was a normal for families in those days (hmm). Thre town looks more touristy than I remember now but the coast was fantastic and maybe this would appeal to you:

    https://www.countryhouselefontanelle.it/?lang=en
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    For those who say it is too early, what are you trying to achieve with the restrictions still in place?

    Everybody is going to get covid, its just a fact. Covid isn't going away for many many years ( if ever). 98% of the population have antibodies. Everybody can get vaccinated at any time and 4th shots for vulnerable coming. Antivirals are now available for them too. And the NHS is in no danger of being overrun by it.

    So what do restrictions actually achieve, a little bit of curve flattening in the short term?

    So as usual over the past 2 years, it is a dumb as shit question from the media.

    I think now is the right time, but I’ll give the answer my uni would give. They want us to keep wearing masks in corridors etc in order to avoid disruption (staff and/or students off sick/isolating).
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,133
    edited February 2022
    Slightly OT, but fascinating, nonetheless. Following the mention of Nostradamus's prediction of the "fish boiling in the black sea" for this year mentioned in the previous thread, I ran into this quite extraordinarily specific reference in a random search, that doesn't seem to have been picked up by anyone.

    The most common, and very reasonable , claim by sceptics against his predictions is that they are all very purposely vague and general, and then reapplied to very specific events by the credulous.

    Here is what appears to be essentially a joke article from six years ago, which includes a quite extraordinarily specific prediction for this period, which the authors clearly don't know what to make of.

    "The false message about the rigged election, to run through the city stopping the broken pact; voices bought, chapel stained with blood, the empire contracted to another one." - Century VIII, Quatrain 20

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/proof-that-nostradamus-actually-predicted-this-years-crazy-election_n_5758381ce4b00f97fba6ce99

    Other predictions for the early twenty-first century apparently include that “a great, shameless, audacious brawler will be elected governor of the army” and that there will be a "battle of the sexes".

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    edited February 2022

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B

    Tonight's RedfieldWilton poll's details are a horror show for Boris
    Labour only 6% ahead in tonight's RedfieldWilton is hardly a horror show

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1495812760390746114?s=20&t=fobHH1_bjugbo0VqYpFCAQ
    But Boris and Sunak’s ratings in free fall at same time proves Big G is right.
    Sunak's ratings in free fall is surely good for Boris? The only way he is replaced as Tory leader and PM is Labour over 10% ahead, they aren't and Sunak far more popular than he is
    Sunak +4

    Boris - 31

    Boris is underwater no matter how you spin it
    Sunak also down 6%, the trend is Boris' friend.

    Even if Boris knows he probably cannot win the next general election now if he drags Rishi down with him and at least rallies the Tory core vote he also knows he can at least stay PM until 2024.

    5 years as PM is rather better than 3 years as PM, means he overtakes Heath whereas 3 years means he only ties with Callaghan, Brown and May
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    Tik tok...

    Russian peacekeeping troops on their way to the Donbass Republic...

  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    Andy_JS said:

    BBC News:

    "Putin Orders Troops Into Eastern Ukraine"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

    Teeing up the next phase of the false flag operation.

    I do hope that President Zelenskyy's safe escape route into exile has been well planned.
  • I remember three months ago when Johnson was plotting 10 years in power
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    edited February 2022
    TimS said:

    Chameleon said:

    Plenty of credible reporters on twitter reporting that Russians have rolled into the Donbas (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1495872290256523264/ ), only question now is whether they're there to reinforce the existing line (unlikely given that Ukraine have no desire to push it back), to push it out to take the whole of the oblasts, or to occupy most Ukrainian troops as a Belgorad&Azov sea pincer closes in to prevent them falling back to Kyiv.

    I see the useful idiots on Twitter have switched from “Oi Joe, stop panic mongering” to “NATO provoked this. Failure of diplomacy.”
    Crises like this are very useful for marking, beyond all doubt, the morons and fifth columnists of the UK. There is no ambiguity or shades of grey in this.

    As an aside, it is remarkable how much pull the memory of Churchill still has, especially in Eastern Europe. I wonder where the people saying that Trident renewal or the Baltics joining NATO were unnecessary are now.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    I remember three months ago when Johnson was plotting 10 years in power

    He’s still hoping! Still there too, despite constant predictions of his demise.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    TimT said:

    @Leon Lake Bohinj, Slovenia.

    Leave the crowds at Lake Bled and enjoy mountains, meadows and waterfalls.

    Bohinj is stunning for its tranquility. If I were religious, this is the awe I'd expect.
    Bohinj does look fab. Thanks @SandyRentool
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264
    De-escalation and diplomacy are the only way to secure peace.

    8:50pm GMT.

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1495863414496845826

    I am genuinely shocked he had the brainpower to get DDE at his nice private school.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    Chameleon said:

    TimS said:

    Chameleon said:

    Plenty of credible reporters on twitter reporting that Russians have rolled into the Donbas (https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1495872290256523264/ ), only question now is whether they're there to reinforce the existing line (unlikely given that Ukraine have no desire to push it back), to push it out to take the whole of the oblasts, or to occupy most Ukrainian troops as a Belgorad&Azov sea pincer closes in to prevent them falling back to Kyiv.

    I see the useful idiots on Twitter have switched from “Oi Joe, stop panic mongering” to “NATO provoked this. Failure of diplomacy.”
    Crises like this are very useful for marking, beyond all doubt, the morons and fifth columnists of the UK. There is no ambiguity or shades of grey in this.

    As an aside, it is remarkable how much pull the memory of Churchill still has, especially in Eastern Europe. I wonder where the people saying that Trident renewal or the Baltics joining NATO were unnecessary are now.
    On marches with the Sainted Jeremy, waving the Palestinian flag (and the occasional hammer & sickle,) I should imagine.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B

    Tonight's RedfieldWilton poll's details are a horror show for Boris
    Labour only 6% ahead in tonight's RedfieldWilton is hardly a horror show

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1495812760390746114?s=20&t=fobHH1_bjugbo0VqYpFCAQ
    But Boris and Sunak’s ratings in free fall at same time proves Big G is right.
    Sunak's ratings in free fall is surely good for Boris? The only way he is replaced as Tory leader and PM is Labour over 10% ahead, they aren't and Sunak far more popular than he is
    Sunak +4

    Boris - 31

    Boris is underwater no matter how you spin it
    Sunak also down 6%, the trend is Boris' friend.

    Even if Boris knows he probably cannot win the next general election if he drags Rishi down with him and at least rallies the Tory core vote he also knows he can at least stay PM until 2024.

    5 years as PM is rather better than 3 years as PM, means he overtakes Heath whereas 3 years means he only ties with Callaghan, Brown and May
    What a post to keep. “ the trend is Boris' friend “

    You do realise you have posted “if Boris can’t win, he can at least ensure the Conservatives crash and burn with him” or have I just read it completely wrong?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    EXTREMELY OFF TOPIC QUESTION FOR PB-ERS

    But maybe we need some cheering distraction

    The Dildo Knapper's Gazette wants to send me write about flintwork in some corner of Europe, Australia or north America that they feel has been unjustly neglected by travellers

    Does anyone have any ideas?

    I've just been looking at the list of national parks in Europe for some inspiration. There are 500 or more, most of which I've barely or never heard of


    eg these new ones in France:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forêts_National_Park


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calanques_National_Park


    How many others must be out there? -

    Italy has a zillion national parks:


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollino_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parco_Nazionale_del_Cilento,_Vallo_di_Diano_e_Alburni

    ?

    Germany:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxon_Switzerland_National_Park

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasmund_National_Park

    And so much more. Has anyone got a favourite secret corner of Europe?

    I always think nostalgically of Gradara, where I was invited for the launch of the Italian edition of my first book. We had a bedroom facing the sea in an incredibly romantic small hotel (can't remember which now, maybe the Thea) and slept within sight and sound of the Adriatic waves. The launch was at a conference in the Castello, which is halfway between a castle and a country house - apparently family-owned through the Middle
    Ages, with a modest torture chamber which we were assured was a normal for families in those days (hmm). Thre town looks more touristy than I remember now but the coast was fantastic and maybe this would appeal to you:

    https://www.countryhouselefontanelle.it/?lang=en
    Ta, Nick. Looks good

    Brexit or no Brexit, we are extremely fortunate to live in Europe (if no longer politically). By a zillion miles the most compelling and beautiful continent on earth, with a history and civilisation to match.

    eg I can't wait to jump in a car this summer and go see bits of France, Italy, Greece, the Balkans, that I have never seen before. I've spent 40 years ceaselessly travelling, but there is still so much unnoticed in my backyard: Europe

    I only discovered the Vikos Gorge in Greece three years ago

    https://www.greece-is.com/walking-in-greece-traversing-vikos/

    As magnificent as anywhere on earth
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B

    Tonight's RedfieldWilton poll's details are a horror show for Boris
    Labour only 6% ahead in tonight's RedfieldWilton is hardly a horror show

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1495812760390746114?s=20&t=fobHH1_bjugbo0VqYpFCAQ
    But Boris and Sunak’s ratings in free fall at same time proves Big G is right.
    Sunak's ratings in free fall is surely good for Boris? The only way he is replaced as Tory leader and PM is Labour over 10% ahead, they aren't and Sunak far more popular than he is
    Sunak +4

    Boris - 31

    Boris is underwater no matter how you spin it
    Sunak also down 6%, the trend is Boris' friend.

    Even if Boris knows he probably cannot win the next general election if he drags Rishi down with him and at least rallies the Tory core vote he also knows he can at least stay PM until 2024.

    5 years as PM is rather better than 3 years as PM, means he overtakes Heath whereas 3 years means he only ties with Callaghan, Brown and May
    Every PM who has made it to 4 years has made it to 5 years.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,249
    Pulpstar said:

    Tik tok...

    Russian peacekeeping troops on their way to the Donbass Republic...


    I see that finally, people are noticing that Putin is a Greater Russian Nationalist.

    Bit late. But hey.....
  • TimT said:

    TimT said:

    I would love to come to the PB meet, but part of me thinks it's too early.

    When is the meet? I might be in the UK for a conference so could probably sneak up to London.
    Next Wednesday March 2nd.
    Damn, the conference starts that day, in Steyning, Sussex
    That's a shame. I think I met you once a long time ago!
  • Chameleon said:

    De-escalation and diplomacy are the only way to secure peace.

    8:50pm GMT.

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1495863414496845826

    I am genuinely shocked he had the brainpower to get DDE at his nice private school.

    He didn't go to a private school. He did go to a very good grammar school....throws hand grenade and runs away.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    Putin reads PB.

    I posted this, a few days ago

    image

    Putin's security council meeting

    image

    Their hearing is clearly better than mine.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839
    Chameleon said:

    De-escalation and diplomacy are the only way to secure peace.

    8:50pm GMT.

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1495863414496845826

    I am genuinely shocked he had the brainpower to get DDE at his nice private school.

    Has he actually said we should give Putin everything he wants yet, or is this merely being strongly implied at this stage?
  • If Jezza was PM now, he would be personally inviting Putin for a cup of tea at #10.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B

    Tonight's RedfieldWilton poll's details are a horror show for Boris
    Labour only 6% ahead in tonight's RedfieldWilton is hardly a horror show

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1495812760390746114?s=20&t=fobHH1_bjugbo0VqYpFCAQ
    But Boris and Sunak’s ratings in free fall at same time proves Big G is right.
    Sunak's ratings in free fall is surely good for Boris? The only way he is replaced as Tory leader and PM is Labour over 10% ahead, they aren't and Sunak far more popular than he is
    Sunak +4

    Boris - 31

    Boris is underwater no matter how you spin it
    Sunak also down 6%, the trend is Boris' friend.

    Even if Boris knows he probably cannot win the next general election if he drags Rishi down with him and at least rallies the Tory core vote he also knows he can at least stay PM until 2024.

    5 years as PM is rather better than 3 years as PM, means he overtakes Heath whereas 3 years means he only ties with Callaghan, Brown and May
    What a post to keep. “ the trend is Boris' friend “

    You do realise you have posted “if Boris can’t win, he can at least ensure the Conservatives crash and burn with him” or have I just read it completely wrong?
    No, he can ensure Sunak crashes and burns. As long as he keeps the Labour lead from getting too high and Sunak does not look like beating Starmer either then Boris is safe
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    TimT said:

    @Leon Lake Bohinj, Slovenia.

    Leave the crowds at Lake Bled and enjoy mountains, meadows and waterfalls.

    Bohinj is stunning for its tranquility. If I were religious, this is the awe I'd expect.
    We first went not too long after Slovenia achieved independence. Arrived, evening meal, then walked down to the lake. Tranquility. Pure Tranquility.

    Next morning, the view across the lake with a ribbon of cloud hanging in front of the mountains.

    The walk to Mostnice. Crystal clear water. Wild flowers. A salamander in the woods.

    Beautiful.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497

    Putin reads PB.

    I posted this, a few days ago

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    Putin's security council meeting

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    I thought that the moment I saw it on telly! They are recreating Malmsy bond still.

    If he reads PB he ain’t “getting it” though! We must be laying it on too subtle like.

    You reading this Vlad? Fuck off back to hell you ridiculous arch vile! 😆
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    They aren't being eased too early. Most of the population have been double vaccinated and had their boosters and the hospitalisation rate is falling.

    The main reason Johnson has cut the Labour lead from 10%+ after partygate to 5% now is he ended restrictions. Thus winning back Tory voters who went to ReformUK or DK after Plan B

    Tonight's RedfieldWilton poll's details are a horror show for Boris
    Labour only 6% ahead in tonight's RedfieldWilton is hardly a horror show

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1495812760390746114?s=20&t=fobHH1_bjugbo0VqYpFCAQ
    But Boris and Sunak’s ratings in free fall at same time proves Big G is right.
    Sunak's ratings in free fall is surely good for Boris? The only way he is replaced as Tory leader and PM is Labour over 10% ahead, they aren't and Sunak far more popular than he is
    Sunak +4

    Boris - 31

    Boris is underwater no matter how you spin it
    Sunak also down 6%, the trend is Boris' friend.

    Even if Boris knows he probably cannot win the next general election now if he drags Rishi down with him and at least rallies the Tory core vote he also knows he can at least stay PM until 2024.

    5 years as PM is rather better than 3 years as PM, means he overtakes Heath whereas 3 years means he only ties with Callaghan, Brown and May
    A pathetic response
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    Pulpstar said:

    Tik tok...

    Russian peacekeeping troops on their way to the Donbass Republic...


    I see that finally, people are noticing that Putin is a Greater Russian Nationalist.

    Bit late. But hey.....
    Just a street thug with grandiose pretentions.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633
    carnforth said:
    A bit dry for Leon surely?

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918

    Chameleon said:

    De-escalation and diplomacy are the only way to secure peace.

    8:50pm GMT.

    https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1495863414496845826

    I am genuinely shocked he had the brainpower to get DDE at his nice private school.

    He didn't go to a private school. He did go to a very good grammar school....throws hand grenade and runs away.
    He went to a private prep school first
  • I remember three months ago when Johnson was plotting 10 years in power

    He may still do it - stranger things have happened

    Though I expect he will not lead into GE24
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,497
    kle4 said:

    Putin reads PB.

    I posted this, a few days ago

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    Putin's security council meeting

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    Their hearing is clearly better than mine.
    They spent all night learning their lines. And still one of the fluffed it and Had to be reminded what he was there to say.
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