NEW: PM's loyalists have "safety mechanism" on no confidence letters:
"5 or 10 of the letters are submitted by loyalists. When Brady hits the magic number, he calls around everyone to ask if they wish to withdraw. At that point, we know we’re in trouble"
Brady would surely know that some of those letters are from loyalists playing that game, since if they were not unquestionable loyalists how would Johnson be able to trust them to withdraw?
Jacob Rees-Mogg is a strict Roman Catholic and the Pope and Vatican are opposed to contraception and the morning after pill, so his views are no surprise
His views as a private person should have no bearing on his responsibilities in govt. Much like the Queen who has official views and keeps her private views to herself.
I don't wish to defend Rees-Mogg, but that's always struck me as a ridiculous view. As long as his views are not illegal, why should they not inform his responsibilities in government?
If we want somebody else with different views, we should vote somebody else in.
The journey from ‘empires aren’t inherently bad and ours was bloody good by the way’ to ‘the USSR was awful and was so an empire’ has been remarkably swift.
Empires are bad. The USSR was an empire.
What's the problem with that?
Or are you saying that the various minorities and nations which endured that should all shut up and glory in being Russian?
Especially since Russia still seem soo be in the Empire business.
I’m saying any discussion that is specifically about empires and imperialism that descends into Stalin was evil and an emperor is dumb.
Plenty of people from left and right have pointed out that Mao and Stalin had a lot in common with absolute monarchies - perhaps more than with socialism.
Simon Sebag Montefiore has definitely not entered the chat.
Was he the one leaving crappy reviews of his rivals on Amazon?
That could have been Orlando Figes.
There are some right weirdos specialise in Russian history.
Simply for process of elimination - what was your specialisation?
Jacob Rees-Mogg is a strict Roman Catholic and the Pope and Vatican are opposed to contraception and the morning after pill, so his views are no surprise
His views as a private person should have no bearing on his responsibilities in govt. Much like the Queen who has official views and keeps her private views to herself.
I don't wish to defend Rees-Mogg, but that's always struck me as a ridiculous view. As long as his views are not illegal, why should they not inform his responsibilities in government?
If you go on No 10 Flickr page you can see the No 10 photographer Andy Parsons was in Downing St on several of the major partygate dates- because he was taking official pics
If you go on No 10 Flickr page you can see the No 10 photographer Andy Parsons was in Downing St on several of the major partygate dates- because he was taking official pics
If you go on No 10 Flickr page you can see the No 10 photographer Andy Parsons was in Downing St on several of the major partygate dates- because he was taking official pics
Jacob Rees-Mogg is a strict Roman Catholic and the Pope and Vatican are opposed to contraception and the morning after pill, so his views are no surprise
His views as a private person should have no bearing on his responsibilities in govt. Much like the Queen who has official views and keeps her private views to herself.
I don't wish to defend Rees-Mogg, but that's always struck me as a ridiculous view. As long as his views are not illegal, why should they not inform his responsibilities in government?
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I disagree
So in your view, Charles Bradlaugh was wrong to let his religious views inform his policy positions?
Pence actually calling Trump out as unAmerican now. Will anyone listen?
Everyone except Trump's supporters.
Unfortunately everyone except Trump's supporters knew it anyway.
There is, apparently, quite a lot to dislike about Pence. But while it shouldn't be laudable that he found his own line not to cross so late, just think how much worse things might have been had he not done so and gone along with that part of the plan.
Notable too that like Aaron Bell, Gibb cites his belief that the Prime Minister hasn’t been truthful: “I am sorry to say that it is hard to see how it can be the case that the Prime Minister told the truth.” https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1489716880839426051
Good if you want a left leaning echo chamber. Not good if you want to hear diverse views that might help understand why people have different opinions.
Good if you want a left leaning echo chamber. Not good if you want to hear diverse views that might help understand why people have different opinions.
Ah my post was truncated.
I was going to say something of this order, even though I think Charles was a grotesque snob, MrEd a fascist apologist, and CasinoRoyale a young fogey with rage issues.
Good if you want a left leaning echo chamber. Not good if you want to hear diverse views that might help understand why people have different opinions.
I’m sorry, my ass has just fallen off with my laughing at the idea of PB as a left leaning echo chamber.
Good if you want a left leaning echo chamber. Not good if you want to hear diverse views that might help understand why people have different opinions.
Ah my post was truncated.
I was going to say something of this order, even though I think Charles was a grotesque snob, MrEd a fascist apologist, and CasinoRoyale a young fogey with rage issues.
It’s immensly important to know what grotesque snobs are thinking...
Sir Graham Brady is under no obligation to ask MPs who have submitted letters if they still want their letters to stand.
This strategy by Boris Johnson loyalists might be absolute fucking stupid.
That would be one of the funniest jokes in the history of skulduggery.
Is there a Darwin award in politics?
A Confedaracy award.
By breaking away and causing a civil war, they managed to halt the insertion of a protection for slavery into the constitution and caused its total abolition instead.
Good if you want a left leaning echo chamber. Not good if you want to hear diverse views that might help understand why people have different opinions.
Ah my post was truncated.
I was going to say something of this order, even though I think Charles was a grotesque snob, MrEd a fascist apologist, and CasinoRoyale a young fogey with rage issues.
It’s immensly important to know what grotesque snobs are thinking...
My cousin knows many more grotesque snobs than you.
Pence actually calling Trump out as unAmerican now. Will anyone listen?
Everyone except Trump's supporters.
Unfortunately everyone except Trump's supporters knew it anyway.
There is, apparently, quite a lot to dislike about Pence. But while it shouldn't be laudable that he found his own line not to cross so late, just think how much worse things might have been had he not done so and gone along with that part of the plan.
It's utter nonsense though; Trump is one of the most American people in the world.
Pence actually calling Trump out as unAmerican now. Will anyone listen?
Everyone except Trump's supporters.
Unfortunately everyone except Trump's supporters knew it anyway.
There is, apparently, quite a lot to dislike about Pence. But while it shouldn't be laudable that he found his own line not to cross so late, just think how much worse things might have been had he not done so and gone along with that part of the plan.
Pence refusing to leave the Capitol was the difference between the election being certified or not. Whatever else he has done he will always deserve credit for that.
As Westminster digested the latest revelations from Boris Johnson's plan to suspend the constitution, abolish the monarchy and declare himself Independent Grand Vizier until 2096, Tory MP's said that the threshold for a vote of no confidence was now "very close to being reached", and could be met by the weekend.
Speaking off the record, Jasoline Noakes, MP for Cirencester, Nantwich and the Red Wall, told newspapers ; "Many of us were prepared to give Boris the benefit of the doubt, all through that suspension of the constitution nonsense and hullabaloo, which I thought was all a bit overdone, personally, but are now fed up. The final straw for a lot of us has been the framework document for the new Grand Vizier role, and the Abolition of the Monarchy Enabling Bill, but there are also a lot of perfectly sensible ideas there, too, that we think the London media just don't like. We have the numbers now."
Good if you want a left leaning echo chamber. Not good if you want to hear diverse views that might help understand why people have different opinions.
You want to get into the head of the Hartlepudlians?
Good if you want a left leaning echo chamber. Not good if you want to hear diverse views that might help understand why people have different opinions.
You want to get into the head of the Hartlepudlians?
Good if you want a left leaning echo chamber. Not good if you want to hear diverse views that might help understand why people have different opinions.
Ah my post was truncated.
I was going to say something of this order, even though I think Charles was a grotesque snob, MrEd a fascist apologist, and CasinoRoyale a young fogey with rage issues.
There were other posters 'on the right' who no longer post as well - Bluest blue?
I don't consider myself as being on either the left or the right. I am sceptical about both, but see the left as being more dangerous at the moment - this somewhat informs my perspective.
It is amusing when the left wing posters all agree with each other, because it signifies nothing in the real world. Troubling though if it means that people 'on the right' quit posting on the website.
As Westminster digested the latest revelations from Boris Johnson's plan to suspend the constitution, abolish the monarchy and declare himself Independent Grand Vizier until 2096, Tory MP's said that the threshold for a vote of no confidence was now "very close to being reached", and could be met by the weekend.
Speaking off the record, Jasoline Noakes, MP for Cirencester, Nantwich and the Red Wall, told newspapers ; "Many of us were prepared to give Boris the benefit of the doubt, all through that suspension of the constitution nonsense and hullabaloo, which I thought was all a bit overdone, personally, but are now fed up. The final straw for a lot of us has been the framework document for the new Grand Vizier role, and the Abolition of the Monarchy Enabling Bill, but there are also a lot of perfectly sensible ideas there, too, that we think the London media just don't like. We have the numbers now."
'Matters worsened for Boris when close ally Jacob Rees Mogg dropkicked veteran Tory MP Sir Nicholas Soames, 113, and made him do the funky chicken. A fellow MP quoted anonymously said - "that was the last straw for many of us. Before that happened, we were just jolly cross, but now we're jolly, jolly cross.". Asked whether this meant he had sent a letter to the head of the 1922 Committee, the MP replied - ”I am waiting for Sue Gray's report before I make my final judgement, but let's just say the other day walking past WHSmith's, I definitely strongly considered buying a packet of cartridges for my fountain pen."
In all this talk of past evil imperial crimes, are we going to mention the evil the Chinese are perpetrating now on the Uighurs?
The current Chinese state is evil, an utter abomination, which has been responsible for mass murder, starvation, torture and oppression of the very worst kind.
Good if you want a left leaning echo chamber. Not good if you want to hear diverse views that might help understand why people have different opinions.
You want to get into the head of the Hartlepudlians?
If you don’t you’ll never understand Brexit.
Understanding Brexit and understanding why people voted for it are very different things, my friend.
Good if you want a left leaning echo chamber. Not good if you want to hear diverse views that might help understand why people have different opinions.
Ah my post was truncated.
I was going to say something of this order, even though I think Charles was a grotesque snob, MrEd a fascist apologist, and CasinoRoyale a young fogey with rage issues.
There were other posters 'on the right' who no longer post as well - Bluest blue?
I don't consider myself as being on either the left or the right. I am sceptical about both, but see the left as being more dangerous at the moment - this somewhat informs my perspective.
It is amusing when the left wing posters all agree with each other, because it signifies nothing in the real world. Troubling though if it means that people 'on the right' quit posting on the website.
You clearly don’t remember last October when PB was wall to wall posts about how the Tory polling lead was going to last out the Millenium.
We need a Red Wall/EU Leaning seat's Con MP to cross the floor AND have the guts to demand a By-election where they stand as Lab/Lib. Is that something that could happen?
A photograph of Boris Johnson drinking a beer at a birthday event held for him in No 10 is among the 300 images handed to the Metropolitan Police, it has been reported. The prime minister was pictured standing next to Rishi Suank and raising a can of Estrella towards the camera in a photo allegedly taken by the official Downing Street photographer during the first national coronavirus lockdown. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-latest-sunak-savile-rebellion-b2008274.html
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If we want somebody else with different views, we should vote somebody else in.
Eg the birthday party date he'd been with PM in the morning at Bovington School
https://www.flickr.com/photos/number10gov/50022312853/ https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1489696594576486405
Drip, drip, drip.
Tick, tock.
54 letters by Monday?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/02/04/ex-minister-nick-gibb-calls-boris-johnson-quit-partygate/
Sir Graham Brady is under no obligation to ask MPs who have submitted letters if they still want their letters to stand.
This strategy by Boris Johnson loyalists might be absolute fucking stupid.
@Charles, @MrEd come to mind.
@Cas I find Pie annoying, but this is okay-to-good.
A 6 or 7 out of 10.
Johnson has to stay.
Unfortunately everyone except Trump's supporters knew it anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX_DwE7nU6o
A modern slaver whose disabled victim was exploited for 40 years has been given a suspended prison sentence.
Peter Swailes' victim was made to work on farms for little pay and slept in a shed, Carlisle Crown Court heard.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-60256915
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1489716880839426051
VONC on Monday.
Is there a Darwin award in politics?
I was going to say something of this order, even though I think Charles was a grotesque snob, MrEd a fascist apologist, and CasinoRoyale a young fogey with rage issues.
By breaking away and causing a civil war, they managed to halt the insertion of a protection for slavery into the constitution and caused its total abolition instead.
@TomLarkinSky
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A Tory MP told us tonight that the Cabinet should visit the PM and say it's time for him to go
As Westminster digested the latest revelations from Boris Johnson's plan to suspend the constitution, abolish the monarchy and declare himself Independent Grand Vizier until 2096, Tory MP's said that the threshold for a vote of no confidence was now "very close to being reached", and could be met by the weekend.
Speaking off the record, Jasoline Noakes, MP for Cirencester, Nantwich and the Red Wall, told newspapers ; "Many of us were prepared to give Boris the benefit of the doubt, all through that suspension of the constitution nonsense and hullabaloo, which I thought was all a bit overdone, personally, but are now fed up. The final straw for a lot of us has been the framework document for the new Grand Vizier role, and the Abolition of the Monarchy Enabling Bill, but there are also a lot of perfectly sensible ideas there, too, that we think the London media just don't like. We have the numbers now."
been caught holding a beer bottle.
Is that the wrong way round
I don't consider myself as being on either the left or the right. I am sceptical about both, but see the left as being more dangerous at the moment - this somewhat informs my perspective.
It is amusing when the left wing posters all agree with each other, because it signifies nothing in the real world. Troubling though if it means that people 'on the right' quit posting on the website.
'Matters worsened for Boris when close ally Jacob Rees Mogg dropkicked veteran Tory MP Sir Nicholas Soames, 113, and made him do the funky chicken. A fellow MP quoted anonymously said - "that was the last straw for many of us. Before that happened, we were just jolly cross, but now we're jolly, jolly cross.". Asked whether this meant he had sent a letter to the head of the 1922 Committee, the MP replied - ”I am waiting for Sue Gray's report before I make my final judgement, but let's just say the other day walking past WHSmith's, I definitely strongly considered buying a packet of cartridges for my fountain pen."
The current Chinese state is evil, an utter abomination, which has been responsible for mass murder, starvation, torture and oppression of the very worst kind.
Hope everyone enjoys it
The prime minister was pictured standing next to Rishi Suank and raising a can of Estrella towards the camera in a photo allegedly taken by the official Downing Street photographer during the first national coronavirus lockdown.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-latest-sunak-savile-rebellion-b2008274.html