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By a small margin punters don’t think an early VONC is on the cards – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,161
edited February 2022 in General
imageBy a small margin punters don’t think an early VONC is on the cards – politicalbetting.com

There is little doubt is that whether Johnson will face an early VONC is going to dominate UK politics until it actually happens if that is indeed the case.

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  • Interesting comparison with the 5/1 you could lay a Feb/March exit at, given that would need to happen by the start of March to result in a change of leader in time.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802

    A shocking article about the state of San Francisco. The death toll from fentanyl overdoses has been higher than from covid during the pandemic.

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2022/sf-fentanyl-opioid-epidemic/

    It's mad, drug dealers in SF have apparently taken to lacing party drugs like MDMA and coke with fentanyl to get the middle classes addicted and turned into repeat customers. America is a completely fucked up place, and this also speaks to why decriminalisation without legalisation being a completely terrible idea. People end up buying their still illegal drugs from criminals who give no fucks about the health or safety of their customers.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,560
    FPT: Stocky: "Has your MP put a letter in?"

    Yes, Anthony Mangnall in Totnes.

    Amusingly, he has had very little contact with the PM since elected in 2019. He has about the furthest office from the Division Lobby, and shortly after announcing he had put in his letter and whilst racing for a vote, who should loom in front of him on the stairs but the frame of the PM....

  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,131
    edited February 2022
    On and on it drags. Now "Big Dog" is the "Lion King". It may just drag on like this till May, with the Tory poll ratings bumping along the bottom.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 11,784
    Just wanted to thank @HYUFD for his answer on the last thread. As with all these things I don't think the putting people into boxes is that simple. However (I am now going to do it) I would agree with @MaxPB that he is a Traditionalist rather than a Liberal and the reason I asked the question in the first place is because a few months ago Max confronted me on just that point so it isn't as simple as saying he is a right of centre liberal and I am a centre liberal as hyufd suggests. In fact I am what most people would call and Orange Booker so in some respects I have views that are to the right of the Conservatives in terms of Govt involvement in peoples lives, but to the left when it comes to health care and education.

    Also I think when we defend our own corner it maybe comes over a bit too much as an extreme. I remember when Max challenged me sometime ago it came out of the blue and was quite strong and I thought that is not me he is describing, but then I realised in putting my point I was putting over just that specific point. So as Max said he is a traditionalist, but also has liberal views eg Gay marriage. I was coming out at the time with anti nationalist stuff, yet it doesn't mean I don't support England or GB in sport, or love the English Countryside or Pub, which is the impression I think it gave by just focusing on the anti nationalist stuff. Except for the extremes we are all a bit of a mix of views.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    FPT

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Quite a muscly Owen Jones piece here imo. His main point is we shouldn't be suckered by the Tory Party into thinking if Boris Johnson goes all is fine.

    Johnson is no grotesque interloper: his behaviour and attitudes are emblematic of the British establishment. If our ruling institutions have a shared culture, it’s entitlement and shamelessness, a conviction that wrongdoing should meet consequences only if you are poor and powerless.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/03/boris-johnson-hypocrisy-lies-british-establishment?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1643877526

    OJ is half right. The British establishment is very much as he depicts, but the British establishment is overwhelmingly centre left leaning, Remainy, and moderately woke. Oddly OJ draws attention only to Tory exemplars.
    There is no single Establishment, there are just well-connected people with power - political, financial, social - these being strongly correlated. If you think the overwhelming majority of these people hold left of centre views I'd like you to send me a postcard from whatever place you're living in because it sounds exotic and rather lovely.
    Hm.
    If the Establishment is a sliding scale from 0 to 100, I must be at least an 80. I have a public sector office job and live in a comfortable middle class suburb of a big city. The views I am surrounded by are overwhelmingly left-wing. Every voice at work (people sometimes talk about being in 'the party' - there is never any doubt which party they mean). The schools my children attend. The views expressed by my Establishment peers.

    There may be right wing views in the Establishment. But apart from some noisy and ineffective froth in the political sphere, you almost never hear any right wing views expressed.

    I did once hear someone confess to me, sotto voce, that having worked in a field which required European funding, he had become a little sceptical about the whole European process. And once, in a previous (non-public sector) job, someone admitted to me he had voted Conservative at the 2015 GE.

    These are the only right wing views I can remember being openly expressed in the last ten years.
    But what I'm talking about are the upper echelons. The people with real political and financial clout. What you're talking about here is more the affluent middle class. In Malmesbury speak it's the 10,000 not the 2 million.
    It's the same all the way up.

    A fun example....

    You may remember some entertainment in Afghanistan with guns jamming. The spin was that Ol' Ma Duece (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning) was unreliable. Which is hysterically funny - people have been trying to replace the M2 for a century. And failing, since it is so reliable.

    What happened was this.

    - Ammunition procurement for the British Army was run by an office of old farts.
    - The New Establishment types replaced them with a new office of representative, modern, younger civil servants
    - They knew nothing of ammunition or guns. As good, modern, sensible people, they hated firearms and regarded them as unpleasant.
    - ...And bought the cheapest they could find.
    - The cheap stuff leaves massive amounts of residue in the guns. Which is great for jamming things up

    When I talked to a bright young star in the Cabinet Office (a friend) - he was horrified by the suggestion that anything had gone wrong.

    They had replaced tired old fashioned people with properly selected and trained people. Who were impeccably right in every way.

    He actually said "Do you want the ammunition for the British Army to be bought by a bunch of gun nuts??!?"

    As a postscript. It was discovered, in the nick of time that the same people had noticed that sniper ammunition was costing a lot of money. So they were about to place an order to replace all of it with the cheapest they could find. And sell the expensive stuff.....
    It's the same age old story. As soon as you put someone clueless in charge of purchasing they know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

    Once I started having to deal with purchasing I introduced a hidden Corporate rate which allows me to double it as soon as purchasing arrives to reduce costs a bit (hint 99% of the time allowing the manager who wants it to use his credit card will save you a lot of money as I bill for the time I waste).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    edited February 2022
    He’s like Hirohito.

    Who is going to drop Little Boy and Fat Man?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660
    Wonder what happened here?

    Ancoats & Beswick (Manchester) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 53.2% (+31.0)
    LAB: 37.9% (-20.6)
    GRN: 5.7% (-5.3)
    CON: 3.2% (-5.2)

    Votes cast: 2,091

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,276

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    MaxPB said:

    A shocking article about the state of San Francisco. The death toll from fentanyl overdoses has been higher than from covid during the pandemic.

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2022/sf-fentanyl-opioid-epidemic/

    It's mad, drug dealers in SF have apparently taken to lacing party drugs like MDMA and coke with fentanyl to get the middle classes addicted and turned into repeat customers. America is a completely fucked up place, and this also speaks to why decriminalisation without legalisation being a completely terrible idea. People end up buying their still illegal drugs from criminals who give no fucks about the health or safety of their customers.
    My god. What brilliantly visceral journalism. Harrowing
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660
    Wonder what happened here too?

    Evington (Leicester) council by-election result:

    LAB: 38.8% (-15.4)
    CON: 34.4% (+12.9)
    LDEM: 20.7% (+12.5)
    GRN: 5.0% (-7.1)
    FBM: 1.1% (+1.1)

    Votes cast: 4,014

  • Wonder what happened here?

    Ancoats & Beswick (Manchester) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 53.2% (+31.0)
    LAB: 37.9% (-20.6)
    GRN: 5.7% (-5.3)
    CON: 3.2% (-5.2)

    Votes cast: 2,091

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.

    Burnham’s clean air congestion zone tax.

    He’s showing why he’s lost every leadership election he’s stood in.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,826

    Wonder what happened here?

    Ancoats & Beswick (Manchester) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 53.2% (+31.0)
    LAB: 37.9% (-20.6)
    GRN: 5.7% (-5.3)
    CON: 3.2% (-5.2)

    Votes cast: 2,091

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.

    Burnham’s clean air congestion zone tax.

    He’s showing why he’s lost every leadership election he’s stood in.
    Didn't he become mayor? Or is that just party leadership?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,248
    MaxPB said:

    A shocking article about the state of San Francisco. The death toll from fentanyl overdoses has been higher than from covid during the pandemic.

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2022/sf-fentanyl-opioid-epidemic/

    It's mad, drug dealers in SF have apparently taken to lacing party drugs like MDMA and coke with fentanyl to get the middle classes addicted and turned into repeat customers. America is a completely fucked up place, and this also speaks to why decriminalisation without legalisation being a completely terrible idea. People end up buying their still illegal drugs from criminals who give no fucks about the health or safety of their customers.
    Decriminalisation of the manufacturing and supply should be done *first*, and thought through.

    Such as the comedy where you can't borrow money to build an MJ business in the states where weed is legal, or indeed use much of the banking system. Because of Federal law.

    Which means the "Legal" weed business is controlled by people who bring suitcases of cash to the party. And such people are always citizens of worthy probity and deep moral compass....

    Add in a new wave of armed robberies for the cash, and what could go wrong?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660
    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls
  • Carnyx said:

    Wonder what happened here?

    Ancoats & Beswick (Manchester) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 53.2% (+31.0)
    LAB: 37.9% (-20.6)
    GRN: 5.7% (-5.3)
    CON: 3.2% (-5.2)

    Votes cast: 2,091

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.

    Burnham’s clean air congestion zone tax.

    He’s showing why he’s lost every leadership election he’s stood in.
    Didn't he become mayor? Or is that just party leadership?
    Party leadership. He’s lost both times.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,826

    He’s like Hirohito.

    Who is going to drop Little Boy and Fat Man?

    As Wiki says of the last days of the Johnsonian, sorry Japanese Empire,

    "Mokusatsu (黙殺) is a Japanese word meaning "ignore", "take no notice of" or "treat with silent contempt".[1][2][a][3][4] It is composed of two kanji characters: 黙 (moku "silence") and 殺 (satsu "killing"). It is one of the terms frequently cited to argue that problems encountered by Japanese in the sphere of international politics arise from misunderstandings or mistranslations of their language.[5]

    [...]

    It was the adoption of this term by the government of Japan that first gave rise to the prominence of the word abroad. Mokusatsu was used in a response to the Allied demand in the Potsdam Declaration that Japan surrender unconditionally in World War II. It was understood to mean that Japan had rejected those terms, a perceived outright rejection that contributed to President Harry S. Truman's decision to carry out the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki,[6] implying that, in spurning the terms, Japan had brought down on its own head the destruction of those two cities.[7]

    When, in 1950, an argument emerged claiming that mokusatsu had been misunderstood by the Allies due to a mistranslation that interpreted the word to signify ignore rather than withhold comment, the third edition of the authoritative Kenkyūsha Japanese-English dictionary (1954) responded by adding an innovative gloss to its former definitions[b] by stating that it also bore the meaning of 'remain in a wise and masterly inactivity'.[8]"
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    edited February 2022

    Wonder what happened here?

    Ancoats & Beswick (Manchester) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 53.2% (+31.0)
    LAB: 37.9% (-20.6)
    GRN: 5.7% (-5.3)
    CON: 3.2% (-5.2)

    Votes cast: 2,091

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.

    Burnham’s clean air congestion zone tax.

    He’s showing why he’s lost every leadership election he’s stood in.
    Don’t local governments essentially have to legally introduce these to meet the government clean air and emission targets? That’s the justification Newcastle City Council seem to give - that they’d rather not but have to…
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908

    Wonder what happened here?

    Ancoats & Beswick (Manchester) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 53.2% (+31.0)
    LAB: 37.9% (-20.6)
    GRN: 5.7% (-5.3)
    CON: 3.2% (-5.2)

    Votes cast: 2,091

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.

    It was Starmer. OBVIOUSLY
  • Here's a shrewd observation;

    Here is Boris Johnson writing about the predicament he finds himself in, and why he still can’t bring himself to resign.

    It’s surprisingly honest and insightful. Possibly because he wrote it in 2006, about Tony Blair.
    https://t.co/wvn4aK1MO9

    the Prime Minister will still not go early – because it is simply not in his nature

    He can’t face that endocrinal cold turkey


    (Original article: https://www.boris-johnson.com/2006/06/29/tony-blairs-premiership/)
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    Roger said:

    Wonder what happened here?

    Ancoats & Beswick (Manchester) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 53.2% (+31.0)
    LAB: 37.9% (-20.6)
    GRN: 5.7% (-5.3)
    CON: 3.2% (-5.2)

    Votes cast: 2,091

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.

    It was Starmer. OBVIOUSLY
    Manchester is yuppy central these days
  • Roger said:

    Wonder what happened here?

    Ancoats & Beswick (Manchester) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 53.2% (+31.0)
    LAB: 37.9% (-20.6)
    GRN: 5.7% (-5.3)
    CON: 3.2% (-5.2)

    Votes cast: 2,091

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.

    It was Starmer. OBVIOUSLY
    Manchester is yuppy central these days
    Hang on, I work in central Manchester and still own property there.

    Oh, I see your point.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,248

    He’s like Hirohito.

    Who is going to drop Little Boy and Fat Man?

    I think the punters are making the mistake of pricing the existing problems for BJ.

    They are, like Professor Aronnax, confusing the static and the dynamic.

    "Professor," Captain Nemo replied, "a static situation mustn't be confused with the dynamic, or we'd be making a serious error. Comparatively little effort is spent in reaching the ocean's depths, because objects develop a sinking tendency"

    Tomorrow* will bring more flooding to the Good Ship No.10

    *In the sense of soon
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    Wonder what happened here?

    Ancoats & Beswick (Manchester) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 53.2% (+31.0)
    LAB: 37.9% (-20.6)
    GRN: 5.7% (-5.3)
    CON: 3.2% (-5.2)

    Votes cast: 2,091

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.

    Burnham’s clean air congestion zone tax.

    He’s showing why he’s lost every leadership election he’s stood in.
    Unless Manchester has changed more than I realised since I lived there, a car driving tax zone there makes ridiculously little sense compared to London (at least, the original weekday daytime only version) - as in London, virtually nobody commutes to work by car, which AFAIK isn't the case in Manchester.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    .

    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls

    Do you think Johnson's wizard wheeze from Monday is working?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984
    Farooq said:

    No confidence vote, just Bill Murray waking up to "I Got You Babe" at 6am.

    Every day.
    For the rest of eternity.

    I picture that morning, some time in the future, when I wake up, fling open the curtains and look outside at a snowy scene. And on the radio they're confirming that Boris is gone.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited February 2022
    Leon said:


    MaxPB said:

    A shocking article about the state of San Francisco. The death toll from fentanyl overdoses has been higher than from covid during the pandemic.

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2022/sf-fentanyl-opioid-epidemic/

    It's mad, drug dealers in SF have apparently taken to lacing party drugs like MDMA and coke with fentanyl to get the middle classes addicted and turned into repeat customers. America is a completely fucked up place, and this also speaks to why decriminalisation without legalisation being a completely terrible idea. People end up buying their still illegal drugs from criminals who give no fucks about the health or safety of their customers.
    My god. What brilliantly visceral journalism. Harrowing
    Abysmal web-page design, though. I gave up after about the eighth instance of a tiny amount of text displayed in a massive font size on a small part of a huge black background, interspersed with children-friendly diagrams and huge pictures, some of them (even worse!) videos or gifs.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    FPT

    One of the partners in my firm declared the other day that the cost of living situation is starting to bite and even he is having to scrutinise his direct debits more closely.

    My “tone deaf”-dar was screaming.

    I get that it must be a bit irritating but I see a lot of people who on the face of it earn huge salaries as lawyers, partners of law firms, bankers etc who are actually a month’s salary from trouble.

    A lot of these high earners end up in a “lifestyle cycle of doom” where they earn huge amounts but then commit to spending huge amounts either through their own preferences or “keeping up with the Jones’s” on big mortgages, expensive car repayments, multiple holidays, school fees.

    For example a couple I know, both high earners had to have “the” house, the kids at private school then some friends bought a new house with a pool and so they had a pool put in. They were basically in debt to their eyeballs and one of them started skimming from the company they worked for which ultimately cost their job.

    So whilst the above is an extreme example your Partner has probably got lots of commitments commensurate with a certain lifestyle but it doesn’t mean he necessarily has huge amounts of spare cash - if they have school fees, holidays, big mortgage etc then they don’t have a lot of spare cash left at the end of it so inflation will bite regardless.

    A lot of people spend what they have and skirt very close to the edge to have that bigger house, bigger holidays etc and not many, when they start earning big, continue to live as before. It’s a weird spending escalator. So whilst I don’t get out the world’s smallest violin for them it’s potentially very uncomfortable for those without stashes of assets etc.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175

    Roger said:

    Wonder what happened here?

    Ancoats & Beswick (Manchester) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 53.2% (+31.0)
    LAB: 37.9% (-20.6)
    GRN: 5.7% (-5.3)
    CON: 3.2% (-5.2)

    Votes cast: 2,091

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.

    It was Starmer. OBVIOUSLY
    Manchester is yuppy central these days
    That ward includes the area near the Etihad. It is definitely not yuppy central!


  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984

    Wonder what happened here?

    Ancoats & Beswick (Manchester) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 53.2% (+31.0)
    LAB: 37.9% (-20.6)
    GRN: 5.7% (-5.3)
    CON: 3.2% (-5.2)

    Votes cast: 2,091

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.

    Centrists taking votes off Labour and the Greens in Manchester shows that what the electors really want is a return of Corbyn.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,131
    edited February 2022
    Who are these "ministers" the Daily Mail keeps on quoting as most likely to resign, I wonder ? And which "ministers" are telling the press that things are "50-50" ?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10476023/Cabinet-ministers-Boris-Johnson-50-50-chance-staying-PM.html
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    FPT: Stocky: "Has your MP put a letter in?"

    Yes, Anthony Mangnall in Totnes.

    Amusingly, he has had very little contact with the PM since elected in 2019. He has about the furthest office from the Division Lobby, and shortly after announcing he had put in his letter and whilst racing for a vote, who should loom in front of him on the stairs but the frame of the PM....

    In the recent interview he did with Hope, your MP said that he’d never met the PM personally
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660
    Roger said:

    Wonder what happened here?

    Ancoats & Beswick (Manchester) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 53.2% (+31.0)
    LAB: 37.9% (-20.6)
    GRN: 5.7% (-5.3)
    CON: 3.2% (-5.2)

    Votes cast: 2,091

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.

    It was Starmer. OBVIOUSLY
    OK Thanks I guess people do generally vote on National issues!
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164

    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls

    Undoubtedly true. I consider the Labour vote to be extremely soft - SKS is able to shine thanks to Boris's pretty catastrophic mistakes. ATM the protest vote almost seems to be ABL! [Anything But Labour]. However, the longer Boris stays the firmer the Labour vote is likely to become. The boil needs to be lanced - I say it as much in sorrow as anger. He had a great opportunity and he's blown it.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    Roger said:

    Wonder what happened here?

    Ancoats & Beswick (Manchester) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 53.2% (+31.0)
    LAB: 37.9% (-20.6)
    GRN: 5.7% (-5.3)
    CON: 3.2% (-5.2)

    Votes cast: 2,091

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.

    It was Starmer. OBVIOUSLY
    OK Thanks I guess people do generally vote on National issues!
    In a local byelection - I doubt it...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859

    Carnyx said:

    Wonder what happened here?

    Ancoats & Beswick (Manchester) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 53.2% (+31.0)
    LAB: 37.9% (-20.6)
    GRN: 5.7% (-5.3)
    CON: 3.2% (-5.2)

    Votes cast: 2,091

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.

    Burnham’s clean air congestion zone tax.

    He’s showing why he’s lost every leadership election he’s stood in.
    Didn't he become mayor? Or is that just party leadership?
    Party leadership. He’s lost both times.
    But not from having a surfeit of policy ideas.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,248
    Carnyx said:

    He’s like Hirohito.

    Who is going to drop Little Boy and Fat Man?

    As Wiki says of the last days of the Johnsonian, sorry Japanese Empire,

    "Mokusatsu (黙殺) is a Japanese word meaning "ignore", "take no notice of" or "treat with silent contempt".[1][2][a][3][4] It is composed of two kanji characters: 黙 (moku "silence") and 殺 (satsu "killing"). It is one of the terms frequently cited to argue that problems encountered by Japanese in the sphere of international politics arise from misunderstandings or mistranslations of their language.[5]

    [...]

    It was the adoption of this term by the government of Japan that first gave rise to the prominence of the word abroad. Mokusatsu was used in a response to the Allied demand in the Potsdam Declaration that Japan surrender unconditionally in World War II. It was understood to mean that Japan had rejected those terms, a perceived outright rejection that contributed to President Harry S. Truman's decision to carry out the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki,[6] implying that, in spurning the terms, Japan had brought down on its own head the destruction of those two cities.[7]

    When, in 1950, an argument emerged claiming that mokusatsu had been misunderstood by the Allies due to a mistranslation that interpreted the word to signify ignore rather than withhold comment, the third edition of the authoritative Kenkyūsha Japanese-English dictionary (1954) responded by adding an innovative gloss to its former definitions[b] by stating that it also bore the meaning of 'remain in a wise and masterly inactivity'.[8]"
    Except that if you read the accounts of the actions of the Japanese government, that explanation has a small problem. It's not true.

    The state of play was

    - Hiroshima
    - Nagasaki
    - The Russians entering the war and going through the Japanese army like a chainsaw through cheese
    - The Americans had run out of Japanese ships to sink, so they'd stopped building submarines.
    - The Americans were running low of Japanese cities to burn to the ground
    - Due to collapse of trade (see above) and the absence of most of the adult male population in the army, a famine was on the horizon for 1946.
    - Japan had run out of virtually all high tech war making materials and equipment.
    - They did have large chunks of the population practicing with bamboo spears.

    The war cabinet met. And was split 3-3 on continuing the war. Hirohito cast a vote - which caused the military to stage a coup....

    The coup was defeated, not because it was half-hearted, but because an American air raid interrupted the plotters before they could find and destroy the recording of the surrender announcement.

    https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/169104/the-last-mission-by-jim-smith-and-malcolm-mcconnell - is worth a read on this.....
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,984
    felix said:

    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls

    Undoubtedly true. I consider the Labour vote to be extremely soft - SKS is able to shine thanks to Boris's pretty catastrophic mistakes. ATM the protest vote almost seems to be ABL! [Anything But Labour]. However, the longer Boris stays the firmer the Labour vote is likely to become. The boil needs to be lanced - I say it as much in sorrow as anger. He had a great opportunity and he's blown it.
    I would agree it is probably fairly soft, but the poll breakdowns suggest it may also be concentrated in floating voters. And often those people who are not very politically engaged or tribal. The sorts who would not bother to vote in a local council byelection.

    It's more of a Blair or Cameron strategy, to go after the floaters who only turn out at GEs rather than focusing on solidifying and motivating the base (the Boris, Corbyn, Trump strategy).
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    For @kinabalu fpt

    Yes - I did follow the Stephen Port case. Quite the scandal. I wrote about it here - https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/12/12/dont-tell-show-us/.

    As for those Rotherham girls .... I agree with you. Sex matters. 😉
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660

    .

    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls

    Do you think Johnson's wizard wheeze from Monday is working?
    No idea TSE seems to think the Manchester result is about exclusion zones

    Andrew Teale on Britain Elects claims Labour were divided locally with a racism/ factional row former Councillor BAME Corbynite replaced by White Centrist.

    LDs were also claiming in their literature that the Lab Candidate had doubts about his eligibilty too

    In my experience National Politics usually trumps local ones but maybe not always
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    Chris Smyth
    @ Smyth_Chris

    Now Sajid Javid follows Sunak in distancing himself from PM over Savile:

    "Keir Starmer deserves respect for taking on such a big public job and doing well [as DPP]... The Prime Minister has already clarified his remarks... I think that was important."

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1489600584151937025
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,248
    TimS said:

    felix said:

    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls

    Undoubtedly true. I consider the Labour vote to be extremely soft - SKS is able to shine thanks to Boris's pretty catastrophic mistakes. ATM the protest vote almost seems to be ABL! [Anything But Labour]. However, the longer Boris stays the firmer the Labour vote is likely to become. The boil needs to be lanced - I say it as much in sorrow as anger. He had a great opportunity and he's blown it.
    I would agree it is probably fairly soft, but the poll breakdowns suggest it may also be concentrated in floating voters. And often those people who are not very politically engaged or tribal. The sorts who would not bother to vote in a local council byelection.

    It's more of a Blair or Cameron strategy, to go after the floaters who only turn out at GEs rather than focusing on solidifying and motivating the base (the Boris, Corbyn, Trump strategy).
    I think that, so far, SKS hasn't done much wrong. Or much especially right. He has sailed the ship steadily. The government is crumbling, so the opposition gains.

    To seal the deal, he needs to sell something to the voters. See Blair etc.

    To win power in the UK (or pretty much any country) you need a coalition. Inside or outside your party. A movement of only The Pure will never get into government.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    eek said:

    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls

    You seem to be utterly obsessed by SKS for reasons that I cannot at all fathom.

    The Labour Party has decided to stop navel gazing and wishes to get back into power, yet you would prefer Bozo and co to be in charge rather than someone whose views are more left wing than any labour leader even similarly close to getting power.
    It is extremely weird, even creepy, just how obsessed Owls is with Keir.

  • pingping Posts: 3,805
    I’ve changed my mind. I had thought Boris would survive. I don’t think so any longer.

    His goose is cooked.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660
    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Wonder what happened here?

    Ancoats & Beswick (Manchester) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 53.2% (+31.0)
    LAB: 37.9% (-20.6)
    GRN: 5.7% (-5.3)
    CON: 3.2% (-5.2)

    Votes cast: 2,091

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.

    It was Starmer. OBVIOUSLY
    OK Thanks I guess people do generally vote on National issues!
    In a local byelection - I doubt it...
    Well thats my experience locally more often than not.

    Of course there are going to be lots of local factional problems within Labour all across the country as long standing Socialist Councillors are deselected and discarded by centrists for purely factional reasons.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,131
    edited February 2022
    Heathener said:


    Chris Smyth
    @ Smyth_Chris

    Now Sajid Javid follows Sunak in distancing himself from PM over Savile:

    "Keir Starmer deserves respect for taking on such a big public job and doing well [as DPP]... The Prime Minister has already clarified his remarks... I think that was important."

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1489600584151937025

    Maybe he's one of the briefers. With the Mail saying "the government is bracing for the potential resignation of some ministers", I wonder if he'd be one of the first most likely, that they're already working to try and factor in. Sacked by Boris early on and then reinstated in a more junior position, he's hardly likely to have that much underlying loyalty in more testing times.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    Cyclefree said:

    For @kinabalu fpt

    Yes - I did follow the Stephen Port case. Quite the scandal. I wrote about it here - https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/12/12/dont-tell-show-us/.

    As for those Rotherham girls .... I agree with you. Sex matters. 😉

    Yes, I do recall your header on it. I was only asking so as to make you answer. Artful conversationalist that I am. :smile:
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660
    edited February 2022
    For Completeness here is the 6th and final result from last night. Good night for Tories overall holding their seats and getting a swing from Lab in 4 of the 5 where both stood. Very odd given National Polling

    Spital (Tamworth) council by-election result:

    CON: 43.6% (-5.4)
    IND: 34.3% (+34.3)
    LAB: 22.1% (-10.4)

    Votes cast: 1,406

    Conservative HOLD.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,248
    boulay said:

    FPT

    One of the partners in my firm declared the other day that the cost of living situation is starting to bite and even he is having to scrutinise his direct debits more closely.

    My “tone deaf”-dar was screaming.

    I get that it must be a bit irritating but I see a lot of people who on the face of it earn huge salaries as lawyers, partners of law firms, bankers etc who are actually a month’s salary from trouble.

    A lot of these high earners end up in a “lifestyle cycle of doom” where they earn huge amounts but then commit to spending huge amounts either through their own preferences or “keeping up with the Jones’s” on big mortgages, expensive car repayments, multiple holidays, school fees.

    For example a couple I know, both high earners had to have “the” house, the kids at private school then some friends bought a new house with a pool and so they had a pool put in. They were basically in debt to their eyeballs and one of them started skimming from the company they worked for which ultimately cost their job.

    So whilst the above is an extreme example your Partner has probably got lots of commitments commensurate with a certain lifestyle but it doesn’t mean he necessarily has huge amounts of spare cash - if they have school fees, holidays, big mortgage etc then they don’t have a lot of spare cash left at the end of it so inflation will bite regardless.

    A lot of people spend what they have and skirt very close to the edge to have that bigger house, bigger holidays etc and not many, when they start earning big, continue to live as before. It’s a weird spending escalator. So whilst I don’t get out the world’s smallest violin for them it’s potentially very uncomfortable for those without stashes of assets etc.

    Yes - nearly everyone lives on their income now - TSE style of having *years* of income in the bank is ancient history.

    My mother came from a working class background - the Rent Man figured large in the memories. Happiness was having the mortgage paid off, the pension payments maxed out and a couple of years of income as savings in the building society. If you reached that, then you could relax a bit....
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310

    Heathener said:


    Chris Smyth
    @ Smyth_Chris

    Now Sajid Javid follows Sunak in distancing himself from PM over Savile:

    "Keir Starmer deserves respect for taking on such a big public job and doing well [as DPP]... The Prime Minister has already clarified his remarks... I think that was important."

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1489600584151937025

    Maybe he's one of the briefers. With the Mail saying "the government is bracing for the potential resignation of some ministers", I wonder if he'd be one of the first most likely, that they're already working to factor in. Sacked by Boris early on and then reinstated in a more junior position, he's hardly likely to have much loyalty.
    Less briefing. More action.

    They're pathetic.
  • eek said:

    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls

    You seem to be utterly obsessed by SKS for reasons that I cannot at all fathom.

    The Labour Party has decided to stop navel gazing and wishes to get back into power, yet you would prefer Bozo and co to be in charge rather than someone whose views are more left wing than any labour leader even similarly close to getting power.
    It is extremely weird, even creepy, just how obsessed Owls is with Keir.

    I guess he would like the anti_Semite Mr Thicky to still be in charge. It is far better to be pure than be in power.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    kinabalu said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @kinabalu fpt

    Yes - I did follow the Stephen Port case. Quite the scandal. I wrote about it here - https://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2021/12/12/dont-tell-show-us/.

    As for those Rotherham girls .... I agree with you. Sex matters. 😉

    Yes, I do recall your header on it. I was only asking so as to make you answer. Artful conversationalist that I am. :smile:
    Despite your occasionally bizarre views on some topics (and I'm working on you on that) I enjoy my conversations with you.

    I am listening to a Radio 4 programme about yet another police failure - losing evidence.

    It never stops with them.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    edited February 2022

    .

    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls

    Do you think Johnson's wizard wheeze from Monday is working?
    No idea TSE seems to think the Manchester result is about exclusion zones

    Andrew Teale on Britain Elects claims Labour were divided locally with a racism/ factional row former Councillor BAME Corbynite replaced by White Centrist.

    LDs were also claiming in their literature that the Lab Candidate had doubts about his eligibilty too

    In my experience National Politics usually trumps local ones but maybe not always
    Other way around. It’s a bit like weather and climate. Any particular local by-election will depend on lots of local factors, including particularly which parties are making much of an effort. But average them all out, across space and time, and you get a reasonable steer as to how the various parties are faring.

    There is a tendency for independent and minor party candidates to gain more by-elections than they lose, and then come the annual local elections, their numbers tend to drop back.
  • Cyclefree said:


    Heathener said:


    Chris Smyth
    @ Smyth_Chris

    Now Sajid Javid follows Sunak in distancing himself from PM over Savile:

    "Keir Starmer deserves respect for taking on such a big public job and doing well [as DPP]... The Prime Minister has already clarified his remarks... I think that was important."

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1489600584151937025

    Maybe he's one of the briefers. With the Mail saying "the government is bracing for the potential resignation of some ministers", I wonder if he'd be one of the first most likely, that they're already working to factor in. Sacked by Boris early on and then reinstated in a more junior position, he's hardly likely to have much loyalty.
    Less briefing. More action.

    They're pathetic.
    Yes, it's all dragging somewhat. Every other day there's predictions that "this is crunch day".
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Re Ancoats & Beswick. I know the area fairly well (I work just over the other side of Gt Ancoats Street) and while the New Islington bit is becoming a bit yuppified, most of Beswick, Miles Platting and Bradford is still very solidly working class.

    As I understand it, a lot of the vote here has gone against Labour because of a bullying issue forcing out the previous councillor. There's also the background issue of how badly the refurbishment of Great Ancoats Street has gone (city centre LDs have focused on transport in their campaigning for a while now), and perhaps an underlying discontent with the absolute (unrepresentative) stranglehold Labour councillors have on Manchester, with attendant complacency and sloppiness.

    I wouldn't draw any conclusions at all about the national picture from this.
  • Cyclefree said:


    Heathener said:


    Chris Smyth
    @ Smyth_Chris

    Now Sajid Javid follows Sunak in distancing himself from PM over Savile:

    "Keir Starmer deserves respect for taking on such a big public job and doing well [as DPP]... The Prime Minister has already clarified his remarks... I think that was important."

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1489600584151937025

    Maybe he's one of the briefers. With the Mail saying "the government is bracing for the potential resignation of some ministers", I wonder if he'd be one of the first most likely, that they're already working to factor in. Sacked by Boris early on and then reinstated in a more junior position, he's hardly likely to have much loyalty.
    Less briefing. More action.

    They're pathetic.
    The political assignation of Johnson will need to be slow. It needs to drip drip to gradually encourage the thought amongst the non-early adopters that he is a liability that needs removal. I suspect that if it is being choreographed it will go on for at least another three of four weeks. It will be cruel, but he will have deserved all of it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    Vodafone has quietly brought back two EU data roaming contracts, I suspect because O2 are stealing all their customers who like to travel and roaming for Vodafone is mostly free within Europe.

    It's interesting that despite no law requiring roaming to be included with contracts two of the four providers now offer it. I wouldn't be surprised if Three follow suit and quietly add a few no extra charge EU roaming contracts in the next few months.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660

    eek said:

    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls

    You seem to be utterly obsessed by SKS for reasons that I cannot at all fathom.

    The Labour Party has decided to stop navel gazing and wishes to get back into power, yet you would prefer Bozo and co to be in charge rather than someone whose views are more left wing than any labour leader even similarly close to getting power.
    It is extremely weird, even creepy, just how obsessed Owls is with Keir.

    I guess he would like the anti_Semite Mr Thicky to still be in charge. It is far better to be pure than be in power.
    I find it very strange the site owners, allow Posters on a regular basis to call Jezza an Anti Semite, which i am pretty sure would be proved to be liable if tested.

    The BBC always correct such comments and say the BBC does not believe that JC is Antisemitic.

    I believe Tim ex of this Parish has either been contacted by lawyers today or will be early next week re such comments

    I think I might follow Mr Eds lead from today at least for a while.

    I will of course return at GE 2024 when SKS is defeated heavily

  • Cyclefree said:


    Heathener said:


    Chris Smyth
    @ Smyth_Chris

    Now Sajid Javid follows Sunak in distancing himself from PM over Savile:

    "Keir Starmer deserves respect for taking on such a big public job and doing well [as DPP]... The Prime Minister has already clarified his remarks... I think that was important."

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1489600584151937025

    Maybe he's one of the briefers. With the Mail saying "the government is bracing for the potential resignation of some ministers", I wonder if he'd be one of the first most likely, that they're already working to factor in. Sacked by Boris early on and then reinstated in a more junior position, he's hardly likely to have much loyalty.
    Less briefing. More action.

    They're pathetic.
    Yes, it's all dragging somewhat. Every other day there's predictions that "this is crunch day".
    I think it will carry on for about three weeks minimum
  • eek said:

    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls

    You seem to be utterly obsessed by SKS for reasons that I cannot at all fathom.

    The Labour Party has decided to stop navel gazing and wishes to get back into power, yet you would prefer Bozo and co to be in charge rather than someone whose views are more left wing than any labour leader even similarly close to getting power.
    It is extremely weird, even creepy, just how obsessed Owls is with Keir.

    I guess he would like the anti_Semite Mr Thicky to still be in charge. It is far better to be pure than be in power.
    I find it very strange the site owners, allow Posters on a regular basis to call Jezza an Anti Semite, which i am pretty sure would be proved to be liable if tested.

    The BBC always correct such comments and say the BBC does not believe that JC is Antisemitic.

    I believe Tim ex of this Parish has either been contacted by lawyers today or will be early next week re such comments

    I think I might follow Mr Eds lead from today at least for a while.

    I will of course return at GE 2024 when SKS is defeated heavily

    Jezza? He was the one wot lost heavily to Boris in 2019, right?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,248

    Cyclefree said:


    Heathener said:


    Chris Smyth
    @ Smyth_Chris

    Now Sajid Javid follows Sunak in distancing himself from PM over Savile:

    "Keir Starmer deserves respect for taking on such a big public job and doing well [as DPP]... The Prime Minister has already clarified his remarks... I think that was important."

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1489600584151937025

    Maybe he's one of the briefers. With the Mail saying "the government is bracing for the potential resignation of some ministers", I wonder if he'd be one of the first most likely, that they're already working to factor in. Sacked by Boris early on and then reinstated in a more junior position, he's hardly likely to have much loyalty.
    Less briefing. More action.

    They're pathetic.
    Yes, it's all dragging somewhat. Every other day there's predictions that "this is crunch day".
    It *is* crunch day(s)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u3QInIMVME
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,560

    Cyclefree said:


    Heathener said:


    Chris Smyth
    @ Smyth_Chris

    Now Sajid Javid follows Sunak in distancing himself from PM over Savile:

    "Keir Starmer deserves respect for taking on such a big public job and doing well [as DPP]... The Prime Minister has already clarified his remarks... I think that was important."

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1489600584151937025

    Maybe he's one of the briefers. With the Mail saying "the government is bracing for the potential resignation of some ministers", I wonder if he'd be one of the first most likely, that they're already working to factor in. Sacked by Boris early on and then reinstated in a more junior position, he's hardly likely to have much loyalty.
    Less briefing. More action.

    They're pathetic.
    Yes, it's all dragging somewhat. Every other day there's predictions that "this is crunch day".
    I think it will carry on for about three weeks minimum
    You misheard. Tory MPs are eating Crunchies.

    It's a while yet until they get onto the Revels....
  • eek said:

    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls

    You seem to be utterly obsessed by SKS for reasons that I cannot at all fathom.

    The Labour Party has decided to stop navel gazing and wishes to get back into power, yet you would prefer Bozo and co to be in charge rather than someone whose views are more left wing than any labour leader even similarly close to getting power.
    It is extremely weird, even creepy, just how obsessed Owls is with Keir.

    I guess he would like the anti_Semite Mr Thicky to still be in charge. It is far better to be pure than be in power.
    I find it very strange the site owners, allow Posters on a regular basis to call Jezza an Anti Semite, which i am pretty sure would be proved to be liable if tested.

    The BBC always correct such comments and say the BBC does not believe that JC is Antisemitic.

    I believe Tim ex of this Parish has either been contacted by lawyers today or will be early next week re such comments

    I think I might follow Mr Eds lead from today at least for a while.

    I will of course return at GE 2024 when SKS is defeated heavily

    Apologies I should have said the alleged anti-Semite. I believe he was suspended by the Labour Party for concerns regarding anti_semitism, or was it something else?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,792

    eek said:

    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls

    You seem to be utterly obsessed by SKS for reasons that I cannot at all fathom.

    The Labour Party has decided to stop navel gazing and wishes to get back into power, yet you would prefer Bozo and co to be in charge rather than someone whose views are more left wing than any labour leader even similarly close to getting power.
    It is extremely weird, even creepy, just how obsessed Owls is with Keir.

    I guess he would like the anti_Semite Mr Thicky to still be in charge. It is far better to be pure than be in power.
    I find it very strange the site owners, allow Posters on a regular basis to call Jezza an Anti Semite, which i am pretty sure would be proved to be liable if tested.

    The BBC always correct such comments and say the BBC does not believe that JC is Antisemitic.

    I believe Tim ex of this Parish has either been contacted by lawyers today or will be early next week re such comments

    I think I might follow Mr Eds lead from today at least for a while.

    I will of course return at GE 2024 when SKS is defeated heavily

    Just as it's valuable to have a voice of the right, it's valuable to have a voice of the left. Particularly one who gives live reports from terrorist situations. And Chesterfield. Stay with us, Owls.
  • Wonder what happened here?

    Ancoats & Beswick (Manchester) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 53.2% (+31.0)
    LAB: 37.9% (-20.6)
    GRN: 5.7% (-5.3)
    CON: 3.2% (-5.2)

    Votes cast: 2,091

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.

    Burnham’s clean air congestion zone tax.

    He’s showing why he’s lost every leadership election he’s stood in.
    Don’t local governments essentially have to legally introduce these to meet the government clean air and emission targets? That’s the justification Newcastle City Council seem to give - that they’d rather not but have to…
    I think there were are few cities, five or something like that, told by central government that they had to introduce them. Leeds was one, but IIRC it doesn't have to now because air quality's improved enough for it not to be needed. Whether they included Newcastle and Manchester in those I can't remember, but I wouldn't be surprised. I can't see any area introducing them without compulsion. The political pain isn't worth it, currently, I don't think.

    Still a lot of resistance to this green stuff. I wonder if it'll become more accepted over time. The younger generations seem keener, the oldies generally don't care.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,239
    edited February 2022
    Ghedebrav said:

    Re Ancoats & Beswick. I know the area fairly well (I work just over the other side of Gt Ancoats Street) and while the New Islington bit is becoming a bit yuppified, most of Beswick, Miles Platting and Bradford is still very solidly working class.

    As I understand it, a lot of the vote here has gone against Labour because of a bullying issue forcing out the previous councillor. There's also the background issue of how badly the refurbishment of Great Ancoats Street has gone (city centre LDs have focused on transport in their campaigning for a while now)

    Sheesh, I'd forgotten about that.

    MCC promised a "European-style boulevard".

    Here's the finished article on Google Street View: https://goo.gl/maps/LeGX41fT9y2rbWmx6

    I'll grant you that it's "European-style" in the sense of Ceausescu's Bucharest, yes.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,585
    MaxPB said:

    Vodafone has quietly brought back two EU data roaming contracts, I suspect because O2 are stealing all their customers who like to travel and roaming for Vodafone is mostly free within Europe.

    It's interesting that despite no law requiring roaming to be included with contracts two of the four providers now offer it. I wouldn't be surprised if Three follow suit and quietly add a few no extra charge EU roaming contracts in the next few months.

    There has been more cracking down on people taking the piss recently. A friend moved to the US and kept using her Three sim on roaming. Took them two years to chuck her off for breaking the fair use clauses. The agent told her they were tightening procedures.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,792

    Cyclefree said:


    Heathener said:


    Chris Smyth
    @ Smyth_Chris

    Now Sajid Javid follows Sunak in distancing himself from PM over Savile:

    "Keir Starmer deserves respect for taking on such a big public job and doing well [as DPP]... The Prime Minister has already clarified his remarks... I think that was important."

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1489600584151937025

    Maybe he's one of the briefers. With the Mail saying "the government is bracing for the potential resignation of some ministers", I wonder if he'd be one of the first most likely, that they're already working to factor in. Sacked by Boris early on and then reinstated in a more junior position, he's hardly likely to have much loyalty.
    Less briefing. More action.

    They're pathetic.
    The political assignation of Johnson will need to be slow. It needs to drip drip to gradually encourage the thought amongst the non-early adopters that he is a liability that needs removal. I suspect that if it is being choreographed it will go on for at least another three of four weeks. It will be cruel, but he will have deserved all of it.
    Also - I can never really shake the feeling that some people are enjoying all this immensely and want to prolong the pleasure.
    It's like a Tory leadership contest. It COULD all be over quickly, like the Lib Dems do. But where would the fun be in that?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310

    Cyclefree said:


    Heathener said:


    Chris Smyth
    @ Smyth_Chris

    Now Sajid Javid follows Sunak in distancing himself from PM over Savile:

    "Keir Starmer deserves respect for taking on such a big public job and doing well [as DPP]... The Prime Minister has already clarified his remarks... I think that was important."

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1489600584151937025

    Maybe he's one of the briefers. With the Mail saying "the government is bracing for the potential resignation of some ministers", I wonder if he'd be one of the first most likely, that they're already working to factor in. Sacked by Boris early on and then reinstated in a more junior position, he's hardly likely to have much loyalty.
    Less briefing. More action.

    They're pathetic.
    Yes, it's all dragging somewhat. Every other day there's predictions that "this is crunch day".
    I think it will carry on for about three weeks minimum
    Well, if it does I hope we never again hear about how ruthless the Tories are at getting rid of their leaders.

    They're about as ruthless as a child trying - and failing - to take the skin off a rice pudding.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    @boulay yes but its a case of know your audience
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,792
    Ghedebrav said:

    Re Ancoats & Beswick. I know the area fairly well (I work just over the other side of Gt Ancoats Street) and while the New Islington bit is becoming a bit yuppified, most of Beswick, Miles Platting and Bradford is still very solidly working class.

    As I understand it, a lot of the vote here has gone against Labour because of a bullying issue forcing out the previous councillor. There's also the background issue of how badly the refurbishment of Great Ancoats Street has gone (city centre LDs have focused on transport in their campaigning for a while now), and perhaps an underlying discontent with the absolute (unrepresentative) stranglehold Labour councillors have on Manchester, with attendant complacency and sloppiness.

    I wouldn't draw any conclusions at all about the national picture from this.

    I'd say Great Ancoats Street is looking splendid. A real success story. Granted the works were a right kerfuffle. But which works aren't?
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited February 2022

    eek said:

    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls

    You seem to be utterly obsessed by SKS for reasons that I cannot at all fathom.

    The Labour Party has decided to stop navel gazing and wishes to get back into power, yet you would prefer Bozo and co to be in charge rather than someone whose views are more left wing than any labour leader even similarly close to getting power.
    It is extremely weird, even creepy, just how obsessed Owls is with Keir.

    I guess he would like the anti_Semite Mr Thicky to still be in charge. It is far better to be pure than be in power.
    I find it very strange the site owners, allow Posters on a regular basis to call Jezza an Anti Semite, which i am pretty sure would be proved to be liable if tested.

    The BBC always correct such comments and say the BBC does not believe that JC is Antisemitic.

    I believe Tim ex of this Parish has either been contacted by lawyers today or will be early next week re such comments

    I think I might follow Mr Eds lead from today at least for a while.

    I will of course return at GE 2024 when SKS is defeated heavily

    It's not libel to call Jeremy Corbyn an anti-semite. Don't be silly.

    Jeremy Corbyn is a thoroughly nasty piece of work: an anti-semitic misogynistic terrorist-supporting Marxist.

    Will that do?

    And I'm a leftie.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,585
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:


    Heathener said:


    Chris Smyth
    @ Smyth_Chris

    Now Sajid Javid follows Sunak in distancing himself from PM over Savile:

    "Keir Starmer deserves respect for taking on such a big public job and doing well [as DPP]... The Prime Minister has already clarified his remarks... I think that was important."

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1489600584151937025

    Maybe he's one of the briefers. With the Mail saying "the government is bracing for the potential resignation of some ministers", I wonder if he'd be one of the first most likely, that they're already working to factor in. Sacked by Boris early on and then reinstated in a more junior position, he's hardly likely to have much loyalty.
    Less briefing. More action.

    They're pathetic.
    Yes, it's all dragging somewhat. Every other day there's predictions that "this is crunch day".
    I think it will carry on for about three weeks minimum
    Well, if it does I hope we never again hear about how ruthless the Tories are at getting rid of their leaders.

    They're about as ruthless as a child trying - and failing - to take the skin off a rice pudding.
    Or they just aren’t sure. Chucking a leader who wins an 80 seat majority after two years is very unusual behaviour, even if perhaps justified in this case.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310

    Cyclefree said:


    Heathener said:


    Chris Smyth
    @ Smyth_Chris

    Now Sajid Javid follows Sunak in distancing himself from PM over Savile:

    "Keir Starmer deserves respect for taking on such a big public job and doing well [as DPP]... The Prime Minister has already clarified his remarks... I think that was important."

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1489600584151937025

    Maybe he's one of the briefers. With the Mail saying "the government is bracing for the potential resignation of some ministers", I wonder if he'd be one of the first most likely, that they're already working to factor in. Sacked by Boris early on and then reinstated in a more junior position, he's hardly likely to have much loyalty.
    Less briefing. More action.

    They're pathetic.
    The political assignation of Johnson will need to be slow. It needs to drip drip to gradually encourage the thought amongst the non-early adopters that he is a liability that needs removal. I suspect that if it is being choreographed it will go on for at least another three of four weeks. It will be cruel, but he will have deserved all of it.
    What about the cruelty to us, for heaven's sake?! We don't deserve it.

    "We" means those of us who didn't vote for him.
  • Chris Patten, Chairman of the Conservative Party 1990-92:

    - “… the government playing to the right and doing stupid things about the Northern Ireland protocol…”

    - “… standing up to the right wing of what was the Conservative Party… if we’re to save the Union…”

    - “I don’t think we’ve got a Conservative government at the moment, and that’s that.”
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,131
    edited February 2022
    A mass egg-throwing at Jeff Bezos's superyacht planned in Rotterdam, as he's dismantling their favourite bridge to get through :

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10476721/Dutch-residents-vow-hurl-EGGS-Jeff-Bezoss-newly-built-400m-Y721-superyacht.html


    "Mr Strörmann has even linked to a video tutorial for making a 'cardboard egg-grenade launcher' on the page 'for the advanced egg throwers'."

  • Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:


    Heathener said:


    Chris Smyth
    @ Smyth_Chris

    Now Sajid Javid follows Sunak in distancing himself from PM over Savile:

    "Keir Starmer deserves respect for taking on such a big public job and doing well [as DPP]... The Prime Minister has already clarified his remarks... I think that was important."

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1489600584151937025

    Maybe he's one of the briefers. With the Mail saying "the government is bracing for the potential resignation of some ministers", I wonder if he'd be one of the first most likely, that they're already working to factor in. Sacked by Boris early on and then reinstated in a more junior position, he's hardly likely to have much loyalty.
    Less briefing. More action.

    They're pathetic.
    Yes, it's all dragging somewhat. Every other day there's predictions that "this is crunch day".
    I think it will carry on for about three weeks minimum
    Well, if it does I hope we never again hear about how ruthless the Tories are at getting rid of their leaders.

    They're about as ruthless as a child trying - and failing - to take the skin off a rice pudding.
    I suspect there are quite a lot of MPs at the moment who would not VONC him if it were tomorrow. Another few weeks and a few more revelations then they will have had enough. I may be over complicating this, but I guess MPs know how the mood is and how it is shifting. I would far prefer we have to wait a few weeks than have a failed VONC attempt
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Ghedebrav said:

    Re Ancoats & Beswick. I know the area fairly well (I work just over the other side of Gt Ancoats Street) and while the New Islington bit is becoming a bit yuppified, most of Beswick, Miles Platting and Bradford is still very solidly working class.

    As I understand it, a lot of the vote here has gone against Labour because of a bullying issue forcing out the previous councillor. There's also the background issue of how badly the refurbishment of Great Ancoats Street has gone (city centre LDs have focused on transport in their campaigning for a while now)

    Sheesh, I'd forgotten about that.

    MCC promised a "European-style boulevard".

    Here's the finished article on Google Street View: https://goo.gl/maps/LeGX41fT9y2rbWmx6

    I'll grant you that it's "European-style" in the sense of Ceaucescu's Bucharest, yes.
    It's a right mess - and actually makes a difference to pedestrians who have to wait ages to to cross the bloody thing (not to mention squeezing past cars; the wider pavements now being used as parking spaces with seeming impunity). It's somehow worse all round for drivers, cyclists and pedestrians, and is ugly to boot.

    For anyone regularly walking into town from Ancoats it's a routine low-level nuisance.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164

    eek said:

    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls

    You seem to be utterly obsessed by SKS for reasons that I cannot at all fathom.

    The Labour Party has decided to stop navel gazing and wishes to get back into power, yet you would prefer Bozo and co to be in charge rather than someone whose views are more left wing than any labour leader even similarly close to getting power.
    It is extremely weird, even creepy, just how obsessed Owls is with Keir.

    Goodness me - stop playing the man with snide remarks - try engaging with the evidence. The local rsults last night were pretty crap for Labour. End of.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    carnforth said:

    MaxPB said:

    Vodafone has quietly brought back two EU data roaming contracts, I suspect because O2 are stealing all their customers who like to travel and roaming for Vodafone is mostly free within Europe.

    It's interesting that despite no law requiring roaming to be included with contracts two of the four providers now offer it. I wouldn't be surprised if Three follow suit and quietly add a few no extra charge EU roaming contracts in the next few months.

    There has been more cracking down on people taking the piss recently. A friend moved to the US and kept using her Three sim on roaming. Took them two years to chuck her off for breaking the fair use clauses. The agent told her they were tightening procedures.
    I'm sure, it's just interesting that there was so much media focus on when they removed free roaming but now that it's being added back there's complete silence.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    Cookie said:

    Cyclefree said:


    Heathener said:


    Chris Smyth
    @ Smyth_Chris

    Now Sajid Javid follows Sunak in distancing himself from PM over Savile:

    "Keir Starmer deserves respect for taking on such a big public job and doing well [as DPP]... The Prime Minister has already clarified his remarks... I think that was important."

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1489600584151937025

    Maybe he's one of the briefers. With the Mail saying "the government is bracing for the potential resignation of some ministers", I wonder if he'd be one of the first most likely, that they're already working to factor in. Sacked by Boris early on and then reinstated in a more junior position, he's hardly likely to have much loyalty.
    Less briefing. More action.

    They're pathetic.
    The political assignation of Johnson will need to be slow. It needs to drip drip to gradually encourage the thought amongst the non-early adopters that he is a liability that needs removal. I suspect that if it is being choreographed it will go on for at least another three of four weeks. It will be cruel, but he will have deserved all of it.
    Also - I can never really shake the feeling that some people are enjoying all this immensely and want to prolong the pleasure.
    It's like a Tory leadership contest. It COULD all be over quickly, like the Lib Dems do. But where would the fun be in that?
    Maybe they've got confused with sex. This should be prolonged and pleasurable.

    Getting rid of a leader needs to be short and brutal.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Cookie said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    Re Ancoats & Beswick. I know the area fairly well (I work just over the other side of Gt Ancoats Street) and while the New Islington bit is becoming a bit yuppified, most of Beswick, Miles Platting and Bradford is still very solidly working class.

    As I understand it, a lot of the vote here has gone against Labour because of a bullying issue forcing out the previous councillor. There's also the background issue of how badly the refurbishment of Great Ancoats Street has gone (city centre LDs have focused on transport in their campaigning for a while now), and perhaps an underlying discontent with the absolute (unrepresentative) stranglehold Labour councillors have on Manchester, with attendant complacency and sloppiness.

    I wouldn't draw any conclusions at all about the national picture from this.

    I'd say Great Ancoats Street is looking splendid. A real success story. Granted the works were a right kerfuffle. But which works aren't?
    It's not my idea of splendour, though I'd have accepted merely practical.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164

    boulay said:

    FPT

    One of the partners in my firm declared the other day that the cost of living situation is starting to bite and even he is having to scrutinise his direct debits more closely.

    My “tone deaf”-dar was screaming.

    I get that it must be a bit irritating but I see a lot of people who on the face of it earn huge salaries as lawyers, partners of law firms, bankers etc who are actually a month’s salary from trouble.

    A lot of these high earners end up in a “lifestyle cycle of doom” where they earn huge amounts but then commit to spending huge amounts either through their own preferences or “keeping up with the Jones’s” on big mortgages, expensive car repayments, multiple holidays, school fees.

    For example a couple I know, both high earners had to have “the” house, the kids at private school then some friends bought a new house with a pool and so they had a pool put in. They were basically in debt to their eyeballs and one of them started skimming from the company they worked for which ultimately cost their job.

    So whilst the above is an extreme example your Partner has probably got lots of commitments commensurate with a certain lifestyle but it doesn’t mean he necessarily has huge amounts of spare cash - if they have school fees, holidays, big mortgage etc then they don’t have a lot of spare cash left at the end of it so inflation will bite regardless.

    A lot of people spend what they have and skirt very close to the edge to have that bigger house, bigger holidays etc and not many, when they start earning big, continue to live as before. It’s a weird spending escalator. So whilst I don’t get out the world’s smallest violin for them it’s potentially very uncomfortable for those without stashes of assets etc.

    Yes - nearly everyone lives on their income now - TSE style of having *years* of income in the bank is ancient history.

    My mother came from a working class background - the Rent Man figured large in the memories. Happiness was having the mortgage paid off, the pension payments maxed out and a couple of years of income as savings in the building society. If you reached that, then you could relax a bit....
    I don't think it's true that nearly everyone lives on their income. It is true that savers don't make good news stories - but many millions still do live well within their means.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375

    For Completeness here is the 6th and final result from last night. Good night for Tories overall holding their seats and getting a swing from Lab in 4 of the 5 where both stood. Very odd given National Polling

    Spital (Tamworth) council by-election result:

    CON: 43.6% (-5.4)
    IND: 34.3% (+34.3)
    LAB: 22.1% (-10.4)

    Votes cast: 1,406

    Conservative HOLD.

    Yesterdays results are extraordinary given the news every day of how terrible the current Government is. It can't all be issues with mad local labour partys.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310

    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:


    Heathener said:


    Chris Smyth
    @ Smyth_Chris

    Now Sajid Javid follows Sunak in distancing himself from PM over Savile:

    "Keir Starmer deserves respect for taking on such a big public job and doing well [as DPP]... The Prime Minister has already clarified his remarks... I think that was important."

    https://twitter.com/Smyth_Chris/status/1489600584151937025

    Maybe he's one of the briefers. With the Mail saying "the government is bracing for the potential resignation of some ministers", I wonder if he'd be one of the first most likely, that they're already working to factor in. Sacked by Boris early on and then reinstated in a more junior position, he's hardly likely to have much loyalty.
    Less briefing. More action.

    They're pathetic.
    Yes, it's all dragging somewhat. Every other day there's predictions that "this is crunch day".
    I think it will carry on for about three weeks minimum
    Well, if it does I hope we never again hear about how ruthless the Tories are at getting rid of their leaders.

    They're about as ruthless as a child trying - and failing - to take the skin off a rice pudding.
    I suspect there are quite a lot of MPs at the moment who would not VONC him if it were tomorrow. Another few weeks and a few more revelations then they will have had enough. I may be over complicating this, but I guess MPs know how the mood is and how it is shifting. I would far prefer we have to wait a few weeks than have a failed VONC attempt
    The risk they are running is that events intervene to make it worse for them rather than for the PM.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    edited February 2022
    felix said:

    eek said:

    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls

    You seem to be utterly obsessed by SKS for reasons that I cannot at all fathom.

    The Labour Party has decided to stop navel gazing and wishes to get back into power, yet you would prefer Bozo and co to be in charge rather than someone whose views are more left wing than any labour leader even similarly close to getting power.
    It is extremely weird, even creepy, just how obsessed Owls is with Keir.

    Goodness me - stop playing the man with snide remarks - try engaging with the evidence. The local rsults last night were pretty crap for Labour. End of.
    I will make a comment on the results – they don't look great.

    Yet my point is a general one. Pretty much every post from Owls is about Starmer. He is completely obsessed for reasons known only to himself. The only similar obsessive is Isam, who now appears to have left PB.
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084

    For Completeness here is the 6th and final result from last night. Good night for Tories overall holding their seats and getting a swing from Lab in 4 of the 5 where both stood. Very odd given National Polling

    Spital (Tamworth) council by-election result:

    CON: 43.6% (-5.4)
    IND: 34.3% (+34.3)
    LAB: 22.1% (-10.4)

    Votes cast: 1,406

    Conservative HOLD.

    Yesterdays results are extraordinary given the news every day of how terrible the current Government is. It can't all be issues with mad local labour partys.
    They are not 'extraordinary' and, yes, they can all be 'local'

    I always vote for local issues in local elections, especially if they are by-elections. People tend to want to focus in local elections on, erm, local issues.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,585
    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    MaxPB said:

    Vodafone has quietly brought back two EU data roaming contracts, I suspect because O2 are stealing all their customers who like to travel and roaming for Vodafone is mostly free within Europe.

    It's interesting that despite no law requiring roaming to be included with contracts two of the four providers now offer it. I wouldn't be surprised if Three follow suit and quietly add a few no extra charge EU roaming contracts in the next few months.

    There has been more cracking down on people taking the piss recently. A friend moved to the US and kept using her Three sim on roaming. Took them two years to chuck her off for breaking the fair use clauses. The agent told her they were tightening procedures.
    I'm sure, it's just interesting that there was so much media focus on when they removed free roaming but now that it's being added back there's complete silence.
    True. The annoying part is that Three removed their flagship free roaming outside the EU too, except for existing customers. I doubt that will be coming back, even if they bring back EU roaming.


  • I think that is just a sign of Leaver paranoia. If the Tories had voted for a Norway option along with Labour in the meaningful vote then I have absolutely no doubt that that is what we would have got. It would have had an unassailable parliamentary majority. The problem was the Tories' insistence that freedom of movement had to end, which meant they couldn't endorse anything that retained the single market.
    The big picture is simple. At every point since the referendum the process has been controlled by the Tory party and Leavers (or those who wholeheartedly embraced Leave after the referendum). To blame where we are on anyone else is a laughable attempt to rewrite history. And the fact that - having achieved their desired objective - they feel the need to blame anyone, just tells you what a pack of lies the whole Leave campaign was from the start.

    Come off it, in the crucial period between the 2017 and 2019 GEs the Conservatives didn't have a majority. The reason we had gridlock and now have the catastrophe of a Brexit which is not only the hardest possible but incompetently implemented is because Labour, the LibDems and the SNP joined forces with the ERG to wreck every attempt at compromise. That wasn't the only cause, of course - there were others, such as the bewildering choice of voters in 2017 to deny Theresa May a majority and the even more bewildering choice of the Labour Party to choose Corbyn as leader, thus making the party unelectable - but you are the one rewriting history in your denial of the role of the opposition parties in the 2017-2019 period.
    Nice try Richard! I’ve seen the SNP blamed for all kinds of unlikely things, but blaming us for the Brexit bùrach must deserve some kind of prize.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164

    eek said:

    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls

    You seem to be utterly obsessed by SKS for reasons that I cannot at all fathom.

    The Labour Party has decided to stop navel gazing and wishes to get back into power, yet you would prefer Bozo and co to be in charge rather than someone whose views are more left wing than any labour leader even similarly close to getting power.
    It is extremely weird, even creepy, just how obsessed Owls is with Keir.

    I guess he would like the anti_Semite Mr Thicky to still be in charge. It is far better to be pure than be in power.
    I find it very strange the site owners, allow Posters on a regular basis to call Jezza an Anti Semite, which i am pretty sure would be proved to be liable if tested.

    The BBC always correct such comments and say the BBC does not believe that JC is Antisemitic.

    I believe Tim ex of this Parish has either been contacted by lawyers today or will be early next week re such comments

    I think I might follow Mr Eds lead from today at least for a while.

    I will of course return at GE 2024 when SKS is defeated heavily

    A shame - I disagree profoundly with your politics but like even less the way the current 'herd' pile in on you because no criticism of SKS is allowed by them.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,248

    Wonder what happened here?

    Ancoats & Beswick (Manchester) council by-election result:

    LDEM: 53.2% (+31.0)
    LAB: 37.9% (-20.6)
    GRN: 5.7% (-5.3)
    CON: 3.2% (-5.2)

    Votes cast: 2,091

    Liberal Democrat GAIN from Labour.

    Burnham’s clean air congestion zone tax.

    He’s showing why he’s lost every leadership election he’s stood in.
    Don’t local governments essentially have to legally introduce these to meet the government clean air and emission targets? That’s the justification Newcastle City Council seem to give - that they’d rather not but have to…
    I think there were are few cities, five or something like that, told by central government that they had to introduce them. Leeds was one, but IIRC it doesn't have to now because air quality's improved enough for it not to be needed. Whether they included Newcastle and Manchester in those I can't remember, but I wouldn't be surprised. I can't see any area introducing them without compulsion. The political pain isn't worth it, currently, I don't think.

    Still a lot of resistance to this green stuff. I wonder if it'll become more accepted over time. The younger generations seem keener, the oldies generally don't care.
    The slight problem with traffic = pollution, is when electric cars start to dominate.

    The "particulates from tires" thing is an tempt to address that. But falls down on a funny point.

    Effective electric cars need substantial cooling system to operate - the batteries and the motors are liquid cooled, which in turn uses a classic air cooling system, to cool the liquid. Since you don't want the works full of dirt, there are filters on the air intakes...

    Yes, quite a few electric cars clean the air as they drive...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,248

    A mass egg-throwing at Jeff Bezos's superyacht planned in Rotterdam, as he's dismantling their favourite bridge to get through :

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10476721/Dutch-residents-vow-hurl-EGGS-Jeff-Bezoss-newly-built-400m-Y721-superyacht.html


    "Mr Strörmann has even linked to a video tutorial for making a 'cardboard egg-grenade launcher' on the page 'for the advanced egg throwers'."

    Bezos is predictable in his ability to acquire detestation. It is an interesting skill - how to monetise it, though?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    A mass egg-throwing at Jeff Bezos's superyacht planned in Rotterdam, as he's dismantling their favourite bridge to get through :

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10476721/Dutch-residents-vow-hurl-EGGS-Jeff-Bezoss-newly-built-400m-Y721-superyacht.html


    "Mr Strörmann has even linked to a video tutorial for making a 'cardboard egg-grenade launcher' on the page 'for the advanced egg throwers'."

    The irony there is that the yacht was built on the river beyond the bridge so it has always been the case that the bridge needed to be dismantled for the yacht to be delivered to Bezos.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,276

    Leon said:


    MaxPB said:

    A shocking article about the state of San Francisco. The death toll from fentanyl overdoses has been higher than from covid during the pandemic.

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2022/sf-fentanyl-opioid-epidemic/

    It's mad, drug dealers in SF have apparently taken to lacing party drugs like MDMA and coke with fentanyl to get the middle classes addicted and turned into repeat customers. America is a completely fucked up place, and this also speaks to why decriminalisation without legalisation being a completely terrible idea. People end up buying their still illegal drugs from criminals who give no fucks about the health or safety of their customers.
    My god. What brilliantly visceral journalism. Harrowing
    Abysmal web-page design, though. I gave up after about the eighth instance of a tiny amount of text displayed in a massive font size on a small part of a huge black background, interspersed with children-friendly diagrams and huge pictures, some of them (even worse!) videos or gifs.
    You what?

    What the F are you reading it on? An old Amstrad?


    I read it on an iPad pro and it works superbly, images, videos and text inter-weaving seamlessly and to great effect. Almost a new form of writing
  • I don't think the council by-elections suggest that the polls are wrong and Labour aren't several points ahead....
    However, I do think they suggest that much of Labour's vote is soft and there isn't much enthusiasm for Starmer at present, who clearly still has some work to do. He can't rely on BJ remaining in office till the next election.
  • NerysHughesNerysHughes Posts: 3,375
    felix said:

    eek said:

    6 By Elections last night

    Lab stood in 5 lost ground in all 5


    Real votes over 10,000 of them.

    Bad night for SKS compared to the polls

    You seem to be utterly obsessed by SKS for reasons that I cannot at all fathom.

    The Labour Party has decided to stop navel gazing and wishes to get back into power, yet you would prefer Bozo and co to be in charge rather than someone whose views are more left wing than any labour leader even similarly close to getting power.
    It is extremely weird, even creepy, just how obsessed Owls is with Keir.

    I guess he would like the anti_Semite Mr Thicky to still be in charge. It is far better to be pure than be in power.
    I find it very strange the site owners, allow Posters on a regular basis to call Jezza an Anti Semite, which i am pretty sure would be proved to be liable if tested.

    The BBC always correct such comments and say the BBC does not believe that JC is Antisemitic.

    I believe Tim ex of this Parish has either been contacted by lawyers today or will be early next week re such comments

    I think I might follow Mr Eds lead from today at least for a while.

    I will of course return at GE 2024 when SKS is defeated heavily

    A shame - I disagree profoundly with your politics but like even less the way the current 'herd' pile in on you because no criticism of SKS is allowed by them.
    I agree, not a word can be said against our lord SKS.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    MaxPB said:

    Vodafone has quietly brought back two EU data roaming contracts, I suspect because O2 are stealing all their customers who like to travel and roaming for Vodafone is mostly free within Europe.

    It's interesting that despite no law requiring roaming to be included with contracts two of the four providers now offer it. I wouldn't be surprised if Three follow suit and quietly add a few no extra charge EU roaming contracts in the next few months.

    There has been more cracking down on people taking the piss recently. A friend moved to the US and kept using her Three sim on roaming. Took them two years to chuck her off for breaking the fair use clauses. The agent told her they were tightening procedures.
    I'm sure, it's just interesting that there was so much media focus on when they removed free roaming but now that it's being added back there's complete silence.
    Probably because it's less a news story and more marketing / selling.
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