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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,871
    glw said:

    The government chose the latter. It seems many of the people who were screaming about the lack of PPE in April/May 2020 are now screeching about its cost.

    I knew that the same people screeching about "no PPE" would eventually moan about the cost. I have nothing but contempt for them.
    It's a lot of money to write off, buried on page 199 of the NHS Annual Report. It is the auditors that have raised concerns:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ministers-write-off-9-billion-on-lost-unusable-or-overpriced-ppe-262kpdr8v

    Sure, there was an emergency and price gouging going on, but don't you think it reasonable to look into whether fraud occurred?

    I also wouldn't have a problem barring the companies that did profiteer from further government contracts.

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    Scott_xP said:

    Biden's press secretary Jen Psaki confirms the president has never been 'ambushed by a cake' in response to question on Boris Johnson's partygate scandal
    https://twitter.com/Wills_Robinson/status/1488601774218952705

    I'm tempted to say that no one at Whitehouse dare put that many candles on a cake.
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    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I presume your thesis was on how people who have pineapple topped pizzas have been punished through the ages?

    It's a bit medieval.
    The thesis, or the punishment?
    The latter
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    glwglw Posts: 9,554

    glw said:

    My ex-colleagues WhatsApp group is agog at the £8.5bn written off on non-delivered or non-compliant PPE.

    Remember that PPE contracts were awarded to Tories with no record in procuring PPE without tender or clauses requiring delivery of actual goods fit for purpose. As well as Liar presiding over a pissed-up Downing Street and endlessly lying to parliament, he has also presided over brazen and open corruption.

    And certain people still defend *that*

    Where exactly would you have bought cheap PPE from in early 2020?
    It's also completely fake news.

    The majority of the write off is perfectly usable PPE in stockpiles but it's now worth less than when purchased as the price has come back down.

    What should have been done? Not pay market rates at the time it was purchased? So have no PPE for those who need it? Or not write off the fact it's not worth as much today, which would be dishonest.
    I know it's the write off, the point is that it was unavoidable. All you could do in early 2020 was pay whatever it takes to get PPE. If people didn't twig at the time that a huge amount of money was being flushed down the drain on PPE, vaccines, testing, furlough, loans and so on, that's on them. It was blindingly obvious to me that money was going to be "wasted" on a scale not seen since the war, but it was still the right thing to do.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,472
    edited February 2022
    Foxy said:

    glw said:

    The government chose the latter. It seems many of the people who were screaming about the lack of PPE in April/May 2020 are now screeching about its cost.

    I knew that the same people screeching about "no PPE" would eventually moan about the cost. I have nothing but contempt for them.
    It's a lot of money to write off, buried on page 199 of the NHS Annual Report. It is the auditors that have raised concerns:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ministers-write-off-9-billion-on-lost-unusable-or-overpriced-ppe-262kpdr8v

    Sure, there was an emergency and price gouging going on, but don't you think it reasonable to look into whether fraud occurred?

    I also wouldn't have a problem barring the companies that did profiteer from further government contracts.

    I hope they do the same for Test and Trace. For the money they wasted on that I could have given every child a decent laptop with a dongle and revolutionised teaching through the pandemic via Nightingale schools. Which would also have had incalculable benefits far into the future.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,526
    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even if Boris loses a VONC amongst MPs, loyalists say he would fight a subsequent leadership election. If he gets enough support still from loyalist MPs to get to the final two, a la Corbyn 2016 he would then let Tory members decide

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1488594714899144718?s=20&t=F5MeBLxuJfxsD7jkw6tCHQ

    Do you think that would be wise?
    Wisdom? This is Boris Johnson we're talking about.

    It's possible he'll just go floppy and defeated, but I'm expecting something ugly to get rid of him.
    He's never been noted for being floppy before.

    Sorry, not sorry...
    Best make sure that isn’t covered by that superinjunction that doesn’t exist.
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    ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even if Boris loses a VONC amongst MPs, loyalists say he would fight a subsequent leadership election. If he gets enough support still from loyalist MPs to get to the final two, a la Corbyn 2016 he would then let Tory members decide

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1488594714899144718?s=20&t=F5MeBLxuJfxsD7jkw6tCHQ

    He can't. The rules are, and I quote

    'A Leader resigning from the Leadership of the Party is not eligible for re-nomination in the consequent Leadership election.'

    Schedule 2, rule 2, page 18. Put in to stop anyone else doing a Major.

    That is also held to apply to leaders removed by a VONC as Iain Duncan Smith found out.

    Of course, he would face utter humiliation if he did, a la Thatcher, so it would be funny to watch, but it can't happen.
    Do you have a link please?
    https://public.conservatives.com/organisation-department/202101/Conservative Party Constitution as amended January 2021.pdf
    That also kills the "Frost for leader" thing that was going on a couple of weeks ago.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,472
    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even if Boris loses a VONC amongst MPs, loyalists say he would fight a subsequent leadership election. If he gets enough support still from loyalist MPs to get to the final two, a la Corbyn 2016 he would then let Tory members decide

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1488594714899144718?s=20&t=F5MeBLxuJfxsD7jkw6tCHQ

    Do you think that would be wise?
    Wisdom? This is Boris Johnson we're talking about.

    It's possible he'll just go floppy and defeated, but I'm expecting something ugly to get rid of him.
    He's never been noted for being floppy before.

    Sorry, not sorry...
    Best make sure that isn’t covered by that superinjunction that doesn’t exist.
    You're right.

    Unlike A Johnson, I will withdraw.
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    solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,623
    Scott_xP said:

    Biden's press secretary Jen Psaki confirms the president has never been 'ambushed by a cake' in response to question on Boris Johnson's partygate scandal
    https://twitter.com/Wills_Robinson/status/1488601774218952705

    Not sure it would be wise to surprise Biden in any way at all, I doubt that would end well.
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    StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 7,115
    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even if Boris loses a VONC amongst MPs, loyalists say he would fight a subsequent leadership election. If he gets enough support still from loyalist MPs to get to the final two, a la Corbyn 2016 he would then let Tory members decide

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1488594714899144718?s=20&t=F5MeBLxuJfxsD7jkw6tCHQ

    Do you think that would be wise?
    Wisdom? This is Boris Johnson we're talking about.

    It's possible he'll just go floppy and defeated, but I'm expecting something ugly to get rid of him.
    He's never been noted for being floppy before.

    Sorry, not sorry...
    Best make sure that isn’t covered by that superinjunction that doesn’t exist.
    I don’t think he’s allowed to stand if he loses a VoNC
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    Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 27,047

    More and more desperate with every passing day...


    Robert Peston
    @Peston
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    1h
    The argument from some Tory MPs - @markjenkinsonmp just now on
    @itvnews
    - that breaching Covid rules is equivalent to parking on a double yellow line is odd. They can’t think the threat to life from anti-social parking is the same as failing to limit the spread of a virus…


    Robert Peston
    @Peston
    that killed more than 150,000

    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1488582435910602755

    What about the guy in West London who got fined a huge amount of money for just standing outside doing nothing? Maybe he should get a refund.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,899
    HYUFD said:

    Even if Boris loses a VONC amongst MPs, loyalists say he would fight a subsequent leadership election. If he gets enough support still from loyalist MPs to get to the final two, a la Corbyn 2016 he would then let Tory members decide

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1488594714899144718?s=20&t=F5MeBLxuJfxsD7jkw6tCHQ

    Would he really fight or would he "allow his name to go forward"?

    It's been well documented had Thatcher chosen to fight the second ballot, with the payroll vote no longer beholden, she'd have got 80-90 votes maximum. I suspect Boris will find his support melts away once he loses the VoNC.
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    JohnO said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even if Boris loses a VONC amongst MPs, loyalists say he would fight a subsequent leadership election. If he gets enough support still from loyalist MPs to get to the final two, a la Corbyn 2016 he would then let Tory members decide

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1488594714899144718?s=20&t=F5MeBLxuJfxsD7jkw6tCHQ

    Don’t the rules preclude his being a candidate if he loses a VoNC?
    Yes @HYUFD is talking nonsense
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    edited February 2022
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even if Boris loses a VONC amongst MPs, loyalists say he would fight a subsequent leadership election. If he gets enough support still from loyalist MPs to get to the final two, a la Corbyn 2016 he would then let Tory members decide

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1488594714899144718?s=20&t=F5MeBLxuJfxsD7jkw6tCHQ

    He can't. The rules are, and I quote

    'A Leader resigning from the Leadership of the Party is not eligible for re-nomination in the consequent Leadership election.'

    Schedule 2, rule 2, page 18. Put in to stop anyone else doing a Major.

    That is also held to apply to leaders removed by a VONC as Iain Duncan Smith found out.

    Of course, he would face utter humiliation if he did, a la Thatcher, so it would be funny to watch, but it can't happen.
    Do you have a link please?
    https://public.conservatives.com/organisation-department/202101/Conservative Party Constitution as amended January 2021.pdf
    It says, at Schedule 2 1 that a leader who resigns is ineligible for re nomination to be party leader in a leadership election.

    No explicit reference to a leader who loses a VONC though
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    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even if Boris loses a VONC amongst MPs, loyalists say he would fight a subsequent leadership election. If he gets enough support still from loyalist MPs to get to the final two, a la Corbyn 2016 he would then let Tory members decide

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1488594714899144718?s=20&t=F5MeBLxuJfxsD7jkw6tCHQ

    Do you think that would be wise?
    Wisdom? This is Boris Johnson we're talking about.

    It's possible he'll just go floppy and defeated, but I'm expecting something ugly to get rid of him.
    He's never been noted for being floppy before.

    Sorry, not sorry...
    Best make sure that isn’t covered by that superinjunction that doesn’t exist.
    I don’t think he’s allowed to stand if he loses a VoNC
    Defeat can do funny things to a man's libido, for sure.

    (Echoes of the Alex cartoon about Thatcher's downfall. In the end, she was turned on by men in grey suits.)
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,634
    Boris going around saying he'll run even after losing a VONC? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    Oh wait he was serious. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,472
    edited February 2022
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even if Boris loses a VONC amongst MPs, loyalists say he would fight a subsequent leadership election. If he gets enough support still from loyalist MPs to get to the final two, a la Corbyn 2016 he would then let Tory members decide

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1488594714899144718?s=20&t=F5MeBLxuJfxsD7jkw6tCHQ

    He can't. The rules are, and I quote

    'A Leader resigning from the Leadership of the Party is not eligible for re-nomination in the consequent Leadership election.'

    Schedule 2, rule 2, page 18. Put in to stop anyone else doing a Major.

    That is also held to apply to leaders removed by a VONC as Iain Duncan Smith found out.

    Of course, he would face utter humiliation if he did, a la Thatcher, so it would be funny to watch, but it can't happen.
    Do you have a link please?
    https://public.conservatives.com/organisation-department/202101/Conservative Party Constitution as amended January 2021.pdf
    It says, at Schedule 2 1 that a leader who resigns is unable to make a re application to be party leader in a leadership election.

    No explicit reference to a leader who loses a VONC though
    Technically a leader who loses a vote of no confidence resigns, just as a PM who loses an election does so.

    However, interestingly I can't see anywhere it sets out the rules for a confidence motion. So it may be more ad hoc than that.

    Equally, I cannot imagine that Graham Brady would accept a nomination for somebody who lost a VONC as valid even if Johnson tried to stand again.
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    IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even if Boris loses a VONC amongst MPs, loyalists say he would fight a subsequent leadership election. If he gets enough support still from loyalist MPs to get to the final two, a la Corbyn 2016 he would then let Tory members decide

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1488594714899144718?s=20&t=F5MeBLxuJfxsD7jkw6tCHQ

    Do you think that would be wise?
    Wisdom? This is Boris Johnson we're talking about.

    It's possible he'll just go floppy and defeated, but I'm expecting something ugly to get rid of him.
    He's never been noted for being floppy before.

    Sorry, not sorry...
    Best make sure that isn’t covered by that superinjunction that doesn’t exist.
    Of course parliamentary privilege would trump superinjunctions if they counterfactually existed

    Would the PM tell the House which viol........
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,472
    IshmaelZ said:

    IanB2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Roger said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even if Boris loses a VONC amongst MPs, loyalists say he would fight a subsequent leadership election. If he gets enough support still from loyalist MPs to get to the final two, a la Corbyn 2016 he would then let Tory members decide

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1488594714899144718?s=20&t=F5MeBLxuJfxsD7jkw6tCHQ

    Do you think that would be wise?
    Wisdom? This is Boris Johnson we're talking about.

    It's possible he'll just go floppy and defeated, but I'm expecting something ugly to get rid of him.
    He's never been noted for being floppy before.

    Sorry, not sorry...
    Best make sure that isn’t covered by that superinjunction that doesn’t exist.
    Of course parliamentary privilege would trump superinjunctions if they counterfactually existed

    Would the PM tell the House which viol........
    With this PM, don't talk about the viol, just talk about his many fiddles.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even if Boris loses a VONC amongst MPs, loyalists say he would fight a subsequent leadership election. If he gets enough support still from loyalist MPs to get to the final two, a la Corbyn 2016 he would then let Tory members decide

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1488594714899144718?s=20&t=F5MeBLxuJfxsD7jkw6tCHQ

    Would he really fight or would he "allow his name to go forward"?

    It's been well documented had Thatcher chosen to fight the second ballot, with the payroll vote no longer beholden, she'd have got 80-90 votes maximum. I suspect Boris will find his support melts away once he loses the VoNC.
    80 to 90 votes though could still have got Thatcher to the runoff spot as runner up to Heseltine with MPs under Hague's rules.

    Thatcher could even have won the runoff amongst the membership.

    Boris will try and use Hague's rules to get to the membership as Corbyn in 2016 used Ed Miliband's rules to win the Labour leadership again amongst members even though most Labour MPs wanted him gone
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    Conservative Party MPs can initiate a no confidence vote in the leader when 15% (54 MPs) of Conservative MPs write to the chair of the party’s 1922 Committee (a committee representing backbench Conservative MPs).

    The no confidence vote is then scheduled by the chair in consultation with the party leader. MPs then vote in support or against the leader. This can happen quickly. For example, the no confidence vote in Theresa May was held on 12 December 2018, the day after she was informed that the 15% threshold had been reached. May needed 159 MPs to support her to stay in office, and won the vote by 200 to 117.

    Under current rules, if more than 50% of all Conservative MPs (181 MPs) vote in support of the prime minister, they can stay as party leader and prime minister and no new vote can be triggered for 12 months.

    If the leader lost the confidence vote among Conservative MPs, they would not be able to stand again – allowing any other Conservative MP to stand for the party leadership.

    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/conservative-party-leadership-contests

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even if Boris loses a VONC amongst MPs, loyalists say he would fight a subsequent leadership election. If he gets enough support still from loyalist MPs to get to the final two, a la Corbyn 2016 he would then let Tory members decide

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1488594714899144718?s=20&t=F5MeBLxuJfxsD7jkw6tCHQ

    He can't. The rules are, and I quote

    'A Leader resigning from the Leadership of the Party is not eligible for re-nomination in the consequent Leadership election.'

    Schedule 2, rule 2, page 18. Put in to stop anyone else doing a Major.

    That is also held to apply to leaders removed by a VONC as Iain Duncan Smith found out.

    Of course, he would face utter humiliation if he did, a la Thatcher, so it would be funny to watch, but it can't happen.
    Do you have a link please?
    https://public.conservatives.com/organisation-department/202101/Conservative Party Constitution as amended January 2021.pdf
    It says, at Schedule 2 1 that a leader who resigns is unable to make a re application to be party leader in a leadership election.

    No explicit reference to a leader who loses a VONC though
    Technically a leader who loses a vote of no confidence resigns, just as a PM who loses an election does so.

    However, interestingly I can't see anywhere it sets out the rules for a confidence motion. So it may be more ad hoc than that.

    Equally, I cannot imagine that Graham Brady would accept a nomination for somebody who lost a VONC as valid even if Johnson tried to stand again.
    Boris is as stubborn as Corbyn and Trump, he won't resign unless he has used every trick available to try and keep the leadership.

    If Brady tries and blocks him standing again could we even see Boris loyalists try and storm the 1922 cttee?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187

    Conservative Party MPs can initiate a no confidence vote in the leader when 15% (54 MPs) of Conservative MPs write to the chair of the party’s 1922 Committee (a committee representing backbench Conservative MPs).

    The no confidence vote is then scheduled by the chair in consultation with the party leader. MPs then vote in support or against the leader. This can happen quickly. For example, the no confidence vote in Theresa May was held on 12 December 2018, the day after she was informed that the 15% threshold had been reached. May needed 159 MPs to support her to stay in office, and won the vote by 200 to 117.

    Under current rules, if more than 50% of all Conservative MPs (181 MPs) vote in support of the prime minister, they can stay as party leader and prime minister and no new vote can be triggered for 12 months.

    If the leader lost the confidence vote among Conservative MPs, they would not be able to stand again – allowing any other Conservative MP to stand for the party leadership.

    https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/conservative-party-leadership-contests

    The rules however clearly state only if a leader then resigns are they ineligible to stand again in a subsequent leadership election
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    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even if Boris loses a VONC amongst MPs, loyalists say he would fight a subsequent leadership election. If he gets enough support still from loyalist MPs to get to the final two, a la Corbyn 2016 he would then let Tory members decide

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1488594714899144718?s=20&t=F5MeBLxuJfxsD7jkw6tCHQ

    He can't. The rules are, and I quote

    'A Leader resigning from the Leadership of the Party is not eligible for re-nomination in the consequent Leadership election.'

    Schedule 2, rule 2, page 18. Put in to stop anyone else doing a Major.

    That is also held to apply to leaders removed by a VONC as Iain Duncan Smith found out.

    Of course, he would face utter humiliation if he did, a la Thatcher, so it would be funny to watch, but it can't happen.
    Do you have a link please?
    https://public.conservatives.com/organisation-department/202101/Conservative Party Constitution as amended January 2021.pdf
    It says, at Schedule 2 1 that a leader who resigns is unable to make a re application to be party leader in a leadership election.

    No explicit reference to a leader who loses a VONC though
    Technically a leader who loses a vote of no confidence resigns, just as a PM who loses an election does so.

    However, interestingly I can't see anywhere it sets out the rules for a confidence motion. So it may be more ad hoc than that.

    Equally, I cannot imagine that Graham Brady would accept a nomination for somebody who lost a VONC as valid even if Johnson tried to stand again.
    Boris is as stubborn as Corbyn and Trump, he won't resign unless he has used every trick available to try and keep the leadership.

    If Brady tries and blocks him standing again could we even see Boris loyalists try and storm the 1922 cttee?
    What !!!!!!
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    GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 20,882

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even if Boris loses a VONC amongst MPs, loyalists say he would fight a subsequent leadership election. If he gets enough support still from loyalist MPs to get to the final two, a la Corbyn 2016 he would then let Tory members decide

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1488594714899144718?s=20&t=F5MeBLxuJfxsD7jkw6tCHQ

    He can't. The rules are, and I quote

    'A Leader resigning from the Leadership of the Party is not eligible for re-nomination in the consequent Leadership election.'

    Schedule 2, rule 2, page 18. Put in to stop anyone else doing a Major.

    That is also held to apply to leaders removed by a VONC as Iain Duncan Smith found out.

    Of course, he would face utter humiliation if he did, a la Thatcher, so it would be funny to watch, but it can't happen.
    Do you have a link please?
    https://public.conservatives.com/organisation-department/202101/Conservative Party Constitution as amended January 2021.pdf
    It says, at Schedule 2 1 that a leader who resigns is unable to make a re application to be party leader in a leadership election.

    No explicit reference to a leader who loses a VONC though
    Technically a leader who loses a vote of no confidence resigns, just as a PM who loses an election does so.

    However, interestingly I can't see anywhere it sets out the rules for a confidence motion. So it may be more ad hoc than that.

    Equally, I cannot imagine that Graham Brady would accept a nomination for somebody who lost a VONC as valid even if Johnson tried to stand again.
    Boris is as stubborn as Corbyn and Trump, he won't resign unless he has used every trick available to try and keep the leadership.

    If Brady tries and blocks him standing again could we even see Boris loyalists try and storm the 1922 cttee?
    What !!!!!!
    I guess he is joking.
    But one never knows with @HYUFD.

    Mind you, would be funny to see Nadine and JRM against the entire 1922.
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    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Even if Boris loses a VONC amongst MPs, loyalists say he would fight a subsequent leadership election. If he gets enough support still from loyalist MPs to get to the final two, a la Corbyn 2016 he would then let Tory members decide

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1488594714899144718?s=20&t=F5MeBLxuJfxsD7jkw6tCHQ

    He can't. The rules are, and I quote

    'A Leader resigning from the Leadership of the Party is not eligible for re-nomination in the consequent Leadership election.'

    Schedule 2, rule 2, page 18. Put in to stop anyone else doing a Major.

    That is also held to apply to leaders removed by a VONC as Iain Duncan Smith found out.

    Of course, he would face utter humiliation if he did, a la Thatcher, so it would be funny to watch, but it can't happen.
    Do you have a link please?
    https://public.conservatives.com/organisation-department/202101/Conservative Party Constitution as amended January 2021.pdf
    It says, at Schedule 2 1 that a leader who resigns is unable to make a re application to be party leader in a leadership election.

    No explicit reference to a leader who loses a VONC though
    Technically a leader who loses a vote of no confidence resigns, just as a PM who loses an election does so.

    However, interestingly I can't see anywhere it sets out the rules for a confidence motion. So it may be more ad hoc than that.

    Equally, I cannot imagine that Graham Brady would accept a nomination for somebody who lost a VONC as valid even if Johnson tried to stand again.
    Boris is as stubborn as Corbyn and Trump, he won't resign unless he has used every trick available to try and keep the leadership.

    If Brady tries and blocks him standing again could we even see Boris loyalists try and storm the 1922 cttee?
    What !!!!!!
    I guess he is joking.
    But one never knows with @HYUFD.

    Mind you, would be funny to see Nadine and JRM against the entire 1922.
    Would be worth it to see JRM getting tasty with his fists. He might employ his manservant to do the dirty work.
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