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The polls don’t look good for Johnson – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,161
edited February 2022 in General
imageThe polls don’t look good for Johnson – politicalbetting.com

Above is the latest polling on Johnson and this is in line with other earlier surveys that we have seen. By a very clear margin voters, including 38% of Tory voters want him out.

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  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660
    edited January 2022
    1st unlike SKS
  • PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376
    edited January 2022
    Not First
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376

    PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684

    Let the speculation begin.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660
    Taz said:

    Not First

    3rd I think you will find
  • Taz said:

    PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684

    Let the speculation begin.
    Boris Johnson = Stepmom on a niche website.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684

    That's a quick turnaround from the twittersphere musings of "it's definitely not happening tonight"
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660

    PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684

    More fake news from Lee Harpin
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908
    Clearly Yougov are missing the bigger picture. HYUFD will be along in a minute to explain why this is not what it seems...
  • Well some journalists have been fed a load of horse shit tonight, just unclear which ones.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,989
    10pm status: Sue Gray report has NOT been handed to No 10 tonight, per two sources. Could come tomorrow. So another spin on the merry go round then.
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1486095482388631556
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684

    That's a quick turnaround from the twittersphere musings of "it's definitely not happening tonight"
    Shows how much they actually know, doesn't it.

    It also calls into question everything else that's been "reported" today beyond the fact that Sue Gray has referred some elements to the police.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    Scott_xP said:

    10pm status: Sue Gray report has NOT been handed to No 10 tonight, per two sources. Could come tomorrow. So another spin on the merry go round then.
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1486095482388631556

    Jesus Christ
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376

    Taz said:

    PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684

    Let the speculation begin.
    Boris Johnson = Stepmom on a niche website.
    Surely the Tory party needs to put him out of his misery. Those stepmoms don’t seem to be as miserable.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    edited January 2022

    Well some journalists have been fed a load of horse shit tonight, just unclear which ones.

    It's like the reporting before a by-election result.

    They don't know. They can't know.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    eek said:

    PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684

    That's a quick turnaround from the twittersphere musings of "it's definitely not happening tonight"
    Shows how much they actually know, doesn't it.

    It also calls into question everything else that's been "reported" today beyond the fact that Sue Gray has referred some elements to the police.
    It's all a bit Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684

    Who the fuck is Lee harpin?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,989
    I’m told that in a meeting with Govt special advisors today No 10 chief of staff Dan Rosenfield told them not to worry about police probe into No 10 parties.

    “At worst it will be like getting a fixed penalty fine for speeding, nothing to worry about,” he said.

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1486096364790558720
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908

    1st unlike SKS

    I wish I'd thought of that.
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376
    Scott_xP said:

    10pm status: Sue Gray report has NOT been handed to No 10 tonight, per two sources. Could come tomorrow. So another spin on the merry go round then.
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1486095482388631556

    Lee Harpin now ‘checking’

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486096208846282756?s=21
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,989
    edited January 2022

    HYUFD said:

    The racism furore in county cricket has reignited after the chairman of Middlesex expressed "outdated" stereotypes on why cricket is failing to nurture black and Asian talent.

    Azeem Rafiq and Ebony Rainford-Brent expressed outrage after Mike O'Farrell told MPs young black players prefer football and south Asian communities prioritise education.

    O'Farrell's comments were immediately likened with the career-ending words of former FA chairman Greg Clarke, who told the same committee in 2020 that south Asian people choose careers in IT over sport.

    "The other thing in the diversity bit is that the football and rugby world becomes much more attractive to the Afro-Caribbean community," said the Middlesex chief as he sat alongside other county chairmen at the first parliamentary hearing on cricket since Rafiq's bombshell evidence last November.

    "And in terms of the South Asian community, there is a moment where we're finding that they do not want necessarily to commit the same time that is necessary to go to the next step because they sometimes prefer to go into other educational fields, and then cricket becomes secondary. And part of that is because it's a rather more time-consuming sport than some others. So we're finding that's difficult."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/01/25/middlesex-chairman-facing-backlash-outdated-claim-black-people/

    Sport should always be secondary to education. I professional sportsperson will have a career of maybe 20 years. A good education lasts for life.
    Depends how good you are, if you are an outstanding footballer or cricketer or tennis player or rugby player then you will likely earn more from professional sport than you ever would in any other field.

    If you are only average or crap at sport, education is obviously far more important as you have zero chance of a professional sports career but your education level will likely determine your future earnings. You can still play sport for fun or fitness but grades come first
    As I noted down thread, "outstanding" tennis. It isn't true. I think most people would say 150th in the world is outstanding, after all your expenses you won't basically take any money at all. Tennis is one of the most top heavy sports going, Nadal, Novax, Federer makes £10 millions a year, Liam Broady (128th in the world) has to have a lodger to pay the rent on his flat.

    Cricket, if you only make it to county cricket, again, no you will be on crap money. Minimum county cricket salary is £24k a year. Its only if you make it to international or IPL level that you can make real money.
    This is true for most sports. Don’t forget sponsorship though. County cricketers etc get a car, free bats and kit etc. They will also expect to get a benefit season towards the end, useful for setting up the next stage of their lives.
    I note Brady has career earnings north of 1,000,000 dollars. Letting out the flat you don’t need while globe trotting is just sound business.
    Cricketers getting free bats, while being paid £25k a year woophie. Its why so many have to have a second job of some sort (be it more cricket or other off season income). Also making it through 10 years of county cricket is far from a certainty. And its a pretty shitty life constantly on the road living out of budget hotels.

    As for Broady, as explained, his expenses are vast and sponsorship small. I don't have the video link to hand, but he explains if he doesn't win a round at one of the grand slams in a year, he can't pay for his strength and conditioning coach. He spends £12k a year out of his own pocket on restring-ing his rackets alone. The constant travel for tennis is eye wateringly expensive, without the sort of income that say golf can provide.

    I think he says from that $1m, he has made about $100k....in 10 years.
  • Taz said:

    PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684

    Let the speculation begin.
    Boris Johnson = Stepmom on a niche website.
    Well it would be one way for him to earn some money.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,912
    The polls don't look that bad for Johnson, only 7% behind in recent polls, hardly 1997 or 2001 levels.

    Every alternatiive leader bar Sunak doing worse v Starmer Labour than him and more 2019 Tory voters wanting him to stay PM than go
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706
    edited January 2022
    When they smashed up restaurants as members of the Bullingdon club, did they maintain it was not breaking the law because they were all in a household bubble?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,011
    Bozo's final PMQs tomorrow then?
  • Lee Harpin has taken down his tweet.

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486096922821677057
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660
    IshmaelZ said:

    PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684

    Who the fuck is Lee harpin?
    Ex Jewish Chronicle now with Mail.

    Had to apologise for lies more often than Boris
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    eek said:

    PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684

    That's a quick turnaround from the twittersphere musings of "it's definitely not happening tonight"
    Shows how much they actually know, doesn't it.

    It also calls into question everything else that's been "reported" today beyond the fact that Sue Gray has referred some elements to the police.
    It's all a bit Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle
    Not really - it shows that Boris feels he can gloss over it or that he has sacrificial goats on which he can inflict the blame. It seems that whatever is in the report is not a worry for him
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631
    edited January 2022
    As I sip a small glass of Single Malt and toast my Hibernian ancestors and the immortal bard, I do hope that Johnson has a glass to go with his (political career) revolver. Can he be relied on to do the decent thing? 🤔
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,989
    edited January 2022
    Sounds like somebody might has suffered from premature twitter ejaculation.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,145
    edited January 2022
    FPT:

    Leon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    if those images are released, he lied at the despatch box

    Boris lies every time he is at the dispatch box.

    The latest tripe was his stuff about being the fastest growing economy in the G7, with record employment levels.

    It still hooks the very gullible like @DavidL and @Big_G_NorthWales.
    Actually, we are expected to have the fastest growing G7 economy this year. Latest IMF forecasts, I believe - see today’s Guardian

    This should not rescue Boris. The fact the government has done OK in the later stages of the pandemic cannot excuse this outrageous trolling of the nation. And I am the type that is minded to excuse Boris, on the whole
    That’s a prediction, and of course the context (of the deepest trough, except maybe Italy) is critical.
    It's actually a very fair point from Leon.

    The two fastest growth predicted are UK and France, though France still has to go through most of it's Omicron wave, and the wine harvest is the lowest for a generation. OTOH they are selling arms everywhere at present (except for a pause in Russia! ). Whilst the UK has a certain amount of queues, and any impact from Boris the Uncontrolled.

    UK and France both equalled their pre-Covid GDP (2019 Q4) in Nov 2021 afaics.

    Guido had an interesting though not wholly contextualised graph, with growth rates showing Germany to be 5% slower than UK and France over 3 years.

    BUT Germany's point of recovery to pre-Covid is not shown and I cannot find when they hit their pre-Covid level.

    I'm half thinking that it is another aspect of Merkel's Mess; Germany did fall back far less, but also their investment level suffered badly in 2021, and they are far more a metal-bashing / manufacturing economy than UK or FR.

    Does anyone know when Germany reached its pre-Covid level of GDP again?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    Foxy said:

    As I sip a small glass of Singe Malt and toast my Hibernian ancestors and the immortal bard, I do hope that Johnson has a glass to go with his (political career) revolver. Can he be relied on to do the decent thing? 🤔

    Nope - it's Boris we are talking about.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830

    IshmaelZ said:

    PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684

    Who the fuck is Lee harpin?
    Ex Jewish Chronicle now with Mail.

    Had to apologise for lies more often than Boris
    Seems to have added another one
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631
    eek said:

    Foxy said:

    As I sip a small glass of Singe Malt and toast my Hibernian ancestors and the immortal bard, I do hope that Johnson has a glass to go with his (political career) revolver. Can he be relied on to do the decent thing? 🤔

    Nope - it's Boris we are talking about.
    I agree, he will have to be dragged out without a vestige of dignity.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    As I sip a small glass of Singe Malt and toast my Hibernian ancestors and the immortal bard, I do hope that Johnson has a glass to go with his (political career) revolver. Can he be relied on to do the decent thing? 🤔

    Is Singe Malt = Monkey Shoulder?
    Mmmm, that’s a bit underhand. Foxy strikes me more of a Lagavulin man
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    Scott_xP said:

    I’m told that in a meeting with Govt special advisors today No 10 chief of staff Dan Rosenfield told them not to worry about police probe into No 10 parties.

    “At worst it will be like getting a fixed penalty fine for speeding, nothing to worry about,” he said.

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1486096364790558720

    It's not the fines or police they need to worry about - after Boris has finished firing everyone he needs to to protect himself they biggest concern come Thursday will be finding a new job.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    When they smashed up restaurants as members of the Bullingdon club, did they maintain it was not breaking the law because they were all in a household bubble?

    No, they splashed the cash which shut everyone up
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,989
    NEW Number 10 has NOT been handed the Sue Gray report.
    Senior Government figures now think it might not be delivered tomorrow and might not be handed over until next week.
    Everyone may have to stand down. #partygate

    https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1486098951510102027
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705

    eek said:

    PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684

    That's a quick turnaround from the twittersphere musings of "it's definitely not happening tonight"
    Shows how much they actually know, doesn't it.

    It also calls into question everything else that's been "reported" today beyond the fact that Sue Gray has referred some elements to the police.
    It's all a bit Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle
    Not really - it shows that Boris feels he can gloss over it or that he has sacrificial goats on which he can inflict the blame. It seems that whatever is in the report is not a worry for him
    I was thinking more of the journalists and their twittering over the course of today.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631
    MrEd said:

    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    As I sip a small glass of Singe Malt and toast my Hibernian ancestors and the immortal bard, I do hope that Johnson has a glass to go with his (political career) revolver. Can he be relied on to do the decent thing? 🤔

    Is Singe Malt = Monkey Shoulder?
    Mmmm, that’s a bit underhand. Foxy strikes me more of a Lagavulin man
    I do like the Islay malts, but tonight have Jura, which is close enough.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Foxy said:

    As I sip a small glass of Single Malt and toast my Hibernian ancestors and the immortal bard, I do hope that Johnson has a glass to go with his (political career) revolver. Can he be relied on to do the decent thing? 🤔

    Hibernian = Irish; Burns = Scottish; The Immortal Bard = Warwickshire(ish)

    Confusing! :smiley:
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146
    YouGov - Do you think Boris Johnson should resign from his role as Prime Minister, or should he remain in his role?

    Should resign:
    Scotland 75%
    London 67%
    North 65%
    Rest of South 59%
    Midlands & Wales 55%

    GB 62%
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    IshmaelZ said:

    PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684

    Who the fuck is Lee harpin?
    He lives next door to Alice.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    HYUFD said:

    The racism furore in county cricket has reignited after the chairman of Middlesex expressed "outdated" stereotypes on why cricket is failing to nurture black and Asian talent.

    Azeem Rafiq and Ebony Rainford-Brent expressed outrage after Mike O'Farrell told MPs young black players prefer football and south Asian communities prioritise education.

    O'Farrell's comments were immediately likened with the career-ending words of former FA chairman Greg Clarke, who told the same committee in 2020 that south Asian people choose careers in IT over sport.

    "The other thing in the diversity bit is that the football and rugby world becomes much more attractive to the Afro-Caribbean community," said the Middlesex chief as he sat alongside other county chairmen at the first parliamentary hearing on cricket since Rafiq's bombshell evidence last November.

    "And in terms of the South Asian community, there is a moment where we're finding that they do not want necessarily to commit the same time that is necessary to go to the next step because they sometimes prefer to go into other educational fields, and then cricket becomes secondary. And part of that is because it's a rather more time-consuming sport than some others. So we're finding that's difficult."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/01/25/middlesex-chairman-facing-backlash-outdated-claim-black-people/

    Sport should always be secondary to education. I professional sportsperson will have a career of maybe 20 years. A good education lasts for life.
    Depends how good you are, if you are an outstanding footballer or cricketer or tennis player or rugby player then you will likely earn more from professional sport than you ever would in any other field.

    If you are only average or crap at sport, education is obviously far more important as you have zero chance of a professional sports career but your education level will likely determine your future earnings. You can still play sport for fun or fitness but grades come first
    As I noted down thread, "outstanding" tennis. It isn't true. I think most people would say 150th in the world is outstanding, after all your expenses you won't basically take any money at all. Tennis is one of the most top heavy sports going, Nadal, Novax, Federer makes £10 millions a year, Liam Broady (128th in the world) has to have a lodger to pay the rent on his flat.

    Cricket, if you only make it to county cricket, again, no you will be on crap money. Minimum county cricket salary is £24k a year. Its only if you make it to international or IPL level that you can make real money.
    This is true for most sports. Don’t forget sponsorship though. County cricketers etc get a car, free bats and kit etc. They will also expect to get a benefit season towards the end, useful for setting up the next stage of their lives.
    I note Brady has career earnings north of 1,000,000 dollars. Letting out the flat you don’t need while globe trotting is just sound business.
    Cricketers getting free bats, while being paid £25k a year woophie. Its why so many have to have a second job of some sort (be it more cricket or other off season income). Also making it through 10 years of county cricket is far from a certainty. And its a pretty shitty life constantly on the road living out of budget hotels.

    As for Broady, as explained, his expenses are vast and sponsorship small. I don't have the video link to hand, but he explains if he doesn't win a round at one of the grand slams in a year, he can't pay for his strength and conditioning coach. He spends £12k a year out of his own pocket on restring-ing his rackets alone. The constant travel for tennis is eye wateringly expensive, without the sort of income that say golf can provide.

    I think he says from that $1m, he has made about $100k....in 10 years.
    Yes, to be clear I wasn’t disagreeing with you. The top end really distorts perceptions about how much money sport pays.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631

    Foxy said:

    As I sip a small glass of Single Malt and toast my Hibernian ancestors and the immortal bard, I do hope that Johnson has a glass to go with his (political career) revolver. Can he be relied on to do the decent thing? 🤔

    Hibernian = Irish; Burns = Scottish; The Immortal Bard = Warwickshire(ish)

    Confusing! :smiley:
    I cover all parts of the country, and have both Scots and Scots-Irish heritage.

    As well as Welsh, but short of Welsh refreshment tonight.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908
    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    Foxy said:

    As I sip a small glass of Singe Malt and toast my Hibernian ancestors and the immortal bard, I do hope that Johnson has a glass to go with his (political career) revolver. Can he be relied on to do the decent thing? 🤔

    Nope - it's Boris we are talking about.
    I agree, he will have to be dragged out without a vestige of dignity.
    We could try to crowdfund his fine.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,912

    Forget these polls and to lesser extent the VI polls, what really tells you the game is up for Boris Johnson is the leadership ratings/best PM stuff etc.

    He's doing worse than May and Corbyn at their worst.

    I don't think a sitting PM has ever won a general election from such a dire position.

    Boris still leads Starmer as preferred PM in the South East, in the West Midlands and in Wales and is tied in the East Midlands.

    He also still leads Sunak as preferred PM in the West Midlands and Wales

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-24-january-2022/
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706
    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I’m told that in a meeting with Govt special advisors today No 10 chief of staff Dan Rosenfield told them not to worry about police probe into No 10 parties.

    “At worst it will be like getting a fixed penalty fine for speeding, nothing to worry about,” he said.

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1486096364790558720

    It's not the fines or police they need to worry about - after Boris has finished firing everyone he needs to to protect himself they biggest concern come Thursday will be finding a new job.
    Again I say: students got £10k fines for house parties. That was the organizers presumably rather than every one of the attendees.

    So - someone in Drowning Street organized these parties. Not all of them will get a speeding fine.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,912
    edited January 2022

    HYUFD said:

    The polls don't look that bad for Johnson, only 7% behind in recent polls, hardly 1997 or 2001 levels.

    Every alternatiive leader bar Sunak doing worse v Starmer Labour than him and more 2019 Tory voters wanting him to stay PM than go

    Funny that when Labour were 7% behind they were "nowhere" and "clearly out of touch with the country".

    Funny that.
    I said ever since Starmer was elected Labour leader he could become PM at the next election, so don't lie to make a political point
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631
    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    MrEd said:

    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    As I sip a small glass of Singe Malt and toast my Hibernian ancestors and the immortal bard, I do hope that Johnson has a glass to go with his (political career) revolver. Can he be relied on to do the decent thing? 🤔

    Is Singe Malt = Monkey Shoulder?
    Mmmm, that’s a bit underhand. Foxy strikes me more of a Lagavulin man
    I do like the Islay malts, but tonight have Jura, which is close enough.
    North end of Islay is where the great stuff is. Bunnahabhain and Caol Ila. Just a short trip to Jura too.
    Not so much a fan of the former, but do like the latter.

    I should be drinking Benromach though, as that is the village where my Scottish ancestors migrated from, but alas the bottle is dry.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,989
    edited January 2022

    HYUFD said:

    The racism furore in county cricket has reignited after the chairman of Middlesex expressed "outdated" stereotypes on why cricket is failing to nurture black and Asian talent.

    Azeem Rafiq and Ebony Rainford-Brent expressed outrage after Mike O'Farrell told MPs young black players prefer football and south Asian communities prioritise education.

    O'Farrell's comments were immediately likened with the career-ending words of former FA chairman Greg Clarke, who told the same committee in 2020 that south Asian people choose careers in IT over sport.

    "The other thing in the diversity bit is that the football and rugby world becomes much more attractive to the Afro-Caribbean community," said the Middlesex chief as he sat alongside other county chairmen at the first parliamentary hearing on cricket since Rafiq's bombshell evidence last November.

    "And in terms of the South Asian community, there is a moment where we're finding that they do not want necessarily to commit the same time that is necessary to go to the next step because they sometimes prefer to go into other educational fields, and then cricket becomes secondary. And part of that is because it's a rather more time-consuming sport than some others. So we're finding that's difficult."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/01/25/middlesex-chairman-facing-backlash-outdated-claim-black-people/

    Sport should always be secondary to education. I professional sportsperson will have a career of maybe 20 years. A good education lasts for life.
    Depends how good you are, if you are an outstanding footballer or cricketer or tennis player or rugby player then you will likely earn more from professional sport than you ever would in any other field.

    If you are only average or crap at sport, education is obviously far more important as you have zero chance of a professional sports career but your education level will likely determine your future earnings. You can still play sport for fun or fitness but grades come first
    As I noted down thread, "outstanding" tennis. It isn't true. I think most people would say 150th in the world is outstanding, after all your expenses you won't basically take any money at all. Tennis is one of the most top heavy sports going, Nadal, Novax, Federer makes £10 millions a year, Liam Broady (128th in the world) has to have a lodger to pay the rent on his flat.

    Cricket, if you only make it to county cricket, again, no you will be on crap money. Minimum county cricket salary is £24k a year. Its only if you make it to international or IPL level that you can make real money.
    This is true for most sports. Don’t forget sponsorship though. County cricketers etc get a car, free bats and kit etc. They will also expect to get a benefit season towards the end, useful for setting up the next stage of their lives.
    I note Brady has career earnings north of 1,000,000 dollars. Letting out the flat you don’t need while globe trotting is just sound business.
    Cricketers getting free bats, while being paid £25k a year woophie. Its why so many have to have a second job of some sort (be it more cricket or other off season income). Also making it through 10 years of county cricket is far from a certainty. And its a pretty shitty life constantly on the road living out of budget hotels.

    As for Broady, as explained, his expenses are vast and sponsorship small. I don't have the video link to hand, but he explains if he doesn't win a round at one of the grand slams in a year, he can't pay for his strength and conditioning coach. He spends £12k a year out of his own pocket on restring-ing his rackets alone. The constant travel for tennis is eye wateringly expensive, without the sort of income that say golf can provide.

    I think he says from that $1m, he has made about $100k....in 10 years.
    Yes, to be clear I wasn’t disagreeing with you. The top end really distorts perceptions about how much money sport pays.
    Yes and no. Tennis is problematic, its an individual sport where the pay-outs are very top heavy and if you are 100th in the world, you play basically always play the top guys in R1 and go home with no money.

    Something like golf, the base is much wider in terms of pay outs, but also you don't have to beat the World #1 to make any money, you just need to be in top ~64 after 2 rounds. You can be 200-300th (even lower) in the world at golf and be earning a very decent living. Not $10s millions, but better than a 9-5.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684

    Damn, all the tension and waiting was exciting - the truth (or a version of it) won't live up to the anticipation.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The polls don't look that bad for Johnson, only 7% behind in recent polls, hardly 1997 or 2001 levels.

    Every alternatiive leader bar Sunak doing worse v Starmer Labour than him and more 2019 Tory voters wanting him to stay PM than go

    Funny that when Labour were 7% behind they were "nowhere" and "clearly out of touch with the country".

    Funny that.
    I said ever since Starmer was elected Labour leader he could become PM at the next election, so don't lie to make a political point
    Lie about what?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    Forget these polls and to lesser extent the VI polls, what really tells you the game is up for Boris Johnson is the leadership ratings/best PM stuff etc.

    He's doing worse than May and Corbyn at their worst.

    I don't think a sitting PM has ever won a general election from such a dire position.

    It really has been a remarkable fall, even considering he had high numbers who disliked him to begin with. Problem for him is the very way he has charmed people and gotten away with things in the past only add to his troubles, so his usual methods don't seem to be working.
  • NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    Roger said:

    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    Foxy said:

    As I sip a small glass of Singe Malt and toast my Hibernian ancestors and the immortal bard, I do hope that Johnson has a glass to go with his (political career) revolver. Can he be relied on to do the decent thing? 🤔

    Nope - it's Boris we are talking about.
    I agree, he will have to be dragged out without a vestige of dignity.
    We could try to crowdfund his fine.
    If we crowd funded a re-settlement grant he might resign?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,405

    HYUFD said:

    The racism furore in county cricket has reignited after the chairman of Middlesex expressed "outdated" stereotypes on why cricket is failing to nurture black and Asian talent.

    Azeem Rafiq and Ebony Rainford-Brent expressed outrage after Mike O'Farrell told MPs young black players prefer football and south Asian communities prioritise education.

    O'Farrell's comments were immediately likened with the career-ending words of former FA chairman Greg Clarke, who told the same committee in 2020 that south Asian people choose careers in IT over sport.

    "The other thing in the diversity bit is that the football and rugby world becomes much more attractive to the Afro-Caribbean community," said the Middlesex chief as he sat alongside other county chairmen at the first parliamentary hearing on cricket since Rafiq's bombshell evidence last November.

    "And in terms of the South Asian community, there is a moment where we're finding that they do not want necessarily to commit the same time that is necessary to go to the next step because they sometimes prefer to go into other educational fields, and then cricket becomes secondary. And part of that is because it's a rather more time-consuming sport than some others. So we're finding that's difficult."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/01/25/middlesex-chairman-facing-backlash-outdated-claim-black-people/

    Sport should always be secondary to education. I professional sportsperson will have a career of maybe 20 years. A good education lasts for life.
    Depends how good you are, if you are an outstanding footballer or cricketer or tennis player or rugby player then you will likely earn more from professional sport than you ever would in any other field.

    If you are only average or crap at sport, education is obviously far more important as you have zero chance of a professional sports career but your education level will likely determine your future earnings. You can still play sport for fun or fitness but grades come first
    As I noted down thread, "outstanding" tennis. It isn't true. I think most people would say 150th in the world is outstanding, after all your expenses you won't basically take any money at all. Tennis is one of the most top heavy sports going, Nadal, Novax, Federer makes £10 millions a year, Liam Broady (128th in the world) has to have a lodger to pay the rent on his flat.

    Cricket, if you only make it to county cricket, again, no you will be on crap money. Minimum county cricket salary is £24k a year. Its only if you make it to international or IPL level that you can make real money.
    This is true for most sports. Don’t forget sponsorship though. County cricketers etc get a car, free bats and kit etc. They will also expect to get a benefit season towards the end, useful for setting up the next stage of their lives.
    I note Brady has career earnings north of 1,000,000 dollars. Letting out the flat you don’t need while globe trotting is just sound business.
    Cricketers getting free bats, while being paid £25k a year woophie. Its why so many have to have a second job of some sort (be it more cricket or other off season income). Also making it through 10 years of county cricket is far from a certainty. And its a pretty shitty life constantly on the road living out of budget hotels.

    As for Broady, as explained, his expenses are vast and sponsorship small. I don't have the video link to hand, but he explains if he doesn't win a round at one of the grand slams in a year, he can't pay for his strength and conditioning coach. He spends £12k a year out of his own pocket on restring-ing his rackets alone. The constant travel for tennis is eye wateringly expensive, without the sort of income that say golf can provide.

    I think he says from that $1m, he has made about $100k....in 10 years.
    Yes, to be clear I wasn’t disagreeing with you. The top end really distorts perceptions about how much money sport pays.
    Yes and no. Tennis is problematic because if you are 100th in the world, you play basically always play the top guys in R1 and go home with no money.

    Something like golf, the base is much wider in terms of pay outs, but also you don't have to beat the World #1 to make any money. You can be 200-300th (even lower) in the world at golf and be earning a very decent living.
    I’m sure you are right, but don’t they have similar issues re coaches, caddy, constant travel etc too? But yes it does seem easier to earn at a lower level.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,145

    IshmaelZ said:

    PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684

    Who the fuck is Lee harpin?
    Ex Jewish Chronicle now with Mail.

    Had to apologise for lies more often than Boris
    More or fewer corrections than Carole Cadwalladr? :wink:

    And is there a list - IPSO only seem to have one upheld complaint.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    edited January 2022
    FPT

    eek said:



    So you get more Grammar schools, sinking those who fail the exam on the day into a live of reduced advantages.

    I take it you didn't go to a Grammar school and were privately educated?

    Most of the pressure for extra grammar school places is in existing grammar areas, especially Kent.

    That's fair enough, the secondary moderns (for that is what they are, even if they rebrand themselves) in 11+ areas have an insanely difficult task, which they struggle with massively. If there were a risk of my children ending up in them, that would be a big worry for me.

    But by adding more GS places in selective areas, you end up making the grammar schools (a bit) more comprehensive. Ironic, really.

    Meanwhile, in areas where there aren't secondary modern schools, there really isn't pressure to create grammar schools.

    La Thatch knew what she was doing.
    As I pointed out below the issue in areas with comprehensive schools is that you end up with 1 or 2 great comprehensives that are often in the expensive part of town away from the council estates.

    Now most council estate children and parents won't want their children to go to that school but the parents that do should be granted the first places available rather than being rejected on distance grounds.

    That isn't a problem round here as the best local comprehensive games the system to get them in.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The polls don't look that bad for Johnson, only 7% behind in recent polls, hardly 1997 or 2001 levels.

    Every alternatiive leader bar Sunak doing worse v Starmer Labour than him and more 2019 Tory voters wanting him to stay PM than go

    Funny that when Labour were 7% behind they were "nowhere" and "clearly out of touch with the country".

    Funny that.
    I said ever since Starmer was elected Labour leader he could become PM at the next election, so don't lie to make a political point
    :innocent:
    image
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,989
    THE SUN: ‘Ello’Ello ‘Ello Bojo! #TomorrowsPapersToday https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1486102832650633222/photo/1
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631
    Roger said:

    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    Foxy said:

    As I sip a small glass of Singe Malt and toast my Hibernian ancestors and the immortal bard, I do hope that Johnson has a glass to go with his (political career) revolver. Can he be relied on to do the decent thing? 🤔

    Nope - it's Boris we are talking about.
    I agree, he will have to be dragged out without a vestige of dignity.
    We could try to crowdfund his fine.
    I would contribute for a Lulu Lytle refurb of his cell, particularly if for a long stretch.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    1st unlike SKS

    Citation needed
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    The longer this goes on, I’m afraid the safer Boris is.

    Boris is counting on overtaking events to divert us.

    What a crook he is. I hope the photos are leaked soon.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,989
    Having spent an evening chatting with sources...

    No10 is prepped for the Gray eport to be public domain tomorrow.

    If it's official publication: PM will give a statement post-PMQs & full report will be published at a later date, probs Feb1, when oppo has control of business

    If it's leaked, different ball game. No lock in, no statement. Government will encourage oppo to push into Feb1 to go through formal process.

    But government fears briefing will push the leak.

    There are three factions pushing the leak

    1) Tories who want Boris gone. They just want their day in court
    2) Oppo who are worried Police investigation pulls the teeth from Gray report so put pressure on it coming out asap
    3) Boris supporters who think report will not meet the hype so get it out asap

    Government is basically ready to fight this whatever happens. Boris wants to be PM and wants to not be kneecapped. Rumour has it some (not in government, backbench supporters with legal background) are even making arguments that the Tory party constitution isn't legally binding

    Meanwhile the Boris out crowd is pushing for 22 to rewrite the rules to change 12 month lock to six. This is going to be horrible messy. A leak would be the messiest way to kick off months of horror


    https://twitter.com/lukemcgee/status/1486097060352909320
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,494
    edited January 2022

    Forget these polls and to lesser extent the VI polls, what really tells you the game is up for Boris Johnson is the leadership ratings/best PM stuff etc.

    He's doing worse than May and Corbyn at their worst.

    I don't think a sitting PM has ever won a general election from such a dire position.

    But could it change though? Given a few months?

    The reason the game is not up is because so many backbench Tory MPs, the only people in country who can shape this till general election, still unsure if they gave it a few months the crisis will blow over and ratings improve.

    And there you go. Beautiful PB. Two opposite but reasoned points of view.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    Natasha Clark
    @NatashaC
    Liz Truss on the morning round tomorrow Popcorn
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Farooq said:

    MrEd said:

    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    As I sip a small glass of Singe Malt and toast my Hibernian ancestors and the immortal bard, I do hope that Johnson has a glass to go with his (political career) revolver. Can he be relied on to do the decent thing? 🤔

    Is Singe Malt = Monkey Shoulder?
    Mmmm, that’s a bit underhand. Foxy strikes me more of a Lagavulin man
    Singe is French for monkey. I thought it was a pretty good joke.
    Ah. Over my head (which is not hard).
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,989
    edited January 2022

    HYUFD said:

    The racism furore in county cricket has reignited after the chairman of Middlesex expressed "outdated" stereotypes on why cricket is failing to nurture black and Asian talent.

    Azeem Rafiq and Ebony Rainford-Brent expressed outrage after Mike O'Farrell told MPs young black players prefer football and south Asian communities prioritise education.

    O'Farrell's comments were immediately likened with the career-ending words of former FA chairman Greg Clarke, who told the same committee in 2020 that south Asian people choose careers in IT over sport.

    "The other thing in the diversity bit is that the football and rugby world becomes much more attractive to the Afro-Caribbean community," said the Middlesex chief as he sat alongside other county chairmen at the first parliamentary hearing on cricket since Rafiq's bombshell evidence last November.

    "And in terms of the South Asian community, there is a moment where we're finding that they do not want necessarily to commit the same time that is necessary to go to the next step because they sometimes prefer to go into other educational fields, and then cricket becomes secondary. And part of that is because it's a rather more time-consuming sport than some others. So we're finding that's difficult."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/01/25/middlesex-chairman-facing-backlash-outdated-claim-black-people/

    Sport should always be secondary to education. I professional sportsperson will have a career of maybe 20 years. A good education lasts for life.
    Depends how good you are, if you are an outstanding footballer or cricketer or tennis player or rugby player then you will likely earn more from professional sport than you ever would in any other field.

    If you are only average or crap at sport, education is obviously far more important as you have zero chance of a professional sports career but your education level will likely determine your future earnings. You can still play sport for fun or fitness but grades come first
    As I noted down thread, "outstanding" tennis. It isn't true. I think most people would say 150th in the world is outstanding, after all your expenses you won't basically take any money at all. Tennis is one of the most top heavy sports going, Nadal, Novax, Federer makes £10 millions a year, Liam Broady (128th in the world) has to have a lodger to pay the rent on his flat.

    Cricket, if you only make it to county cricket, again, no you will be on crap money. Minimum county cricket salary is £24k a year. Its only if you make it to international or IPL level that you can make real money.
    This is true for most sports. Don’t forget sponsorship though. County cricketers etc get a car, free bats and kit etc. They will also expect to get a benefit season towards the end, useful for setting up the next stage of their lives.
    I note Brady has career earnings north of 1,000,000 dollars. Letting out the flat you don’t need while globe trotting is just sound business.
    Cricketers getting free bats, while being paid £25k a year woophie. Its why so many have to have a second job of some sort (be it more cricket or other off season income). Also making it through 10 years of county cricket is far from a certainty. And its a pretty shitty life constantly on the road living out of budget hotels.

    As for Broady, as explained, his expenses are vast and sponsorship small. I don't have the video link to hand, but he explains if he doesn't win a round at one of the grand slams in a year, he can't pay for his strength and conditioning coach. He spends £12k a year out of his own pocket on restring-ing his rackets alone. The constant travel for tennis is eye wateringly expensive, without the sort of income that say golf can provide.

    I think he says from that $1m, he has made about $100k....in 10 years.
    Yes, to be clear I wasn’t disagreeing with you. The top end really distorts perceptions about how much money sport pays.
    Yes and no. Tennis is problematic because if you are 100th in the world, you play basically always play the top guys in R1 and go home with no money.

    Something like golf, the base is much wider in terms of pay outs, but also you don't have to beat the World #1 to make any money. You can be 200-300th (even lower) in the world at golf and be earning a very decent living.
    I’m sure you are right, but don’t they have similar issues re coaches, caddy, constant travel etc too? But yes it does seem easier to earn at a lower level.
    Well, golf is fortunate that the sponsorship is much bigger and they used it differently e.g. European tour puts on subsidised flights and often the hotels they stay in are comp'ed or much reduced rate, because the tournament is basically an advert for that location. US PGA in particular, they often get everything free from hire car to accommodation. Individuals are often well sponsored too, not just the really big names, even quite minor players.

    But the big thing is because it is a cut system, if you make the cut its a guaranteed several $1000, without ever challenging for the tournament. Even those coming well down the bottom of the list for money rankings are winning $100k's in prize money.

    100th on the USPGA tour money list last year won $1,294,062. I think he can probably afford to pay his caddie and coach out of that....
  • MrEd said:

    When they smashed up restaurants as members of the Bullingdon club, did they maintain it was not breaking the law because they were all in a household bubble?

    No, they splashed the cash which shut everyone up
    I bet none of it was BJ’s cash.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,912
    eek said:

    FPT

    eek said:



    So you get more Grammar schools, sinking those who fail the exam on the day into a live of reduced advantages.

    I take it you didn't go to a Grammar school and were privately educated?

    Most of the pressure for extra grammar school places is in existing grammar areas, especially Kent.

    That's fair enough, the secondary moderns (for that is what they are, even if they rebrand themselves) in 11+ areas have an insanely difficult task, which they struggle with massively. If there were a risk of my children ending up in them, that would be a big worry for me.

    But by adding more GS places in selective areas, you end up making the grammar schools (a bit) more comprehensive. Ironic, really.

    Meanwhile, in areas where there aren't secondary modern schools, there really isn't pressure to create grammar schools.

    La Thatch knew what she was doing.
    As I pointed out below the issue in areas with comprehensive schools is that you end up with 1 or 2 great comprehensives that are often in the expensive part of town away from the council estates.

    Now most council estate children and parents won't want their children to go to that school but the parents that do should be granted the first places available rather than being rejected on distance grounds.

    That isn't a problem round here as the best local comprehensive games the system to get them in.
    So you are still selecting unless you force all council estate children to go to that school and all middle class parents to go there too in equal proportions.

    You may as well force every shopper to go to Tesco and ban Waitrose, M and S, Asda and Lidl. Same socialist answer to everything, end choice, dictate and force everyone to only have one service they are allowed to use
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    I love the idea touted by Boris desperadoes that the Tory Party constitution - used so effectively by Boris against May - is illegal.
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578
    Foxy said:

    MrEd said:

    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    As I sip a small glass of Singe Malt and toast my Hibernian ancestors and the immortal bard, I do hope that Johnson has a glass to go with his (political career) revolver. Can he be relied on to do the decent thing? 🤔

    Is Singe Malt = Monkey Shoulder?
    Mmmm, that’s a bit underhand. Foxy strikes me more of a Lagavulin man
    I do like the Islay malts, but tonight have Jura, which is close enough.
    At the risk of sounding like a complete pleb, my fave at the moment is Nikka Coffee whiskey.

    When I lived in South Africa in the 90s, I bought a couple of malts from the early 70s. One day, I’ll open then (hopefully before I drop dead).
  • MrEdMrEd Posts: 5,578

    MrEd said:

    When they smashed up restaurants as members of the Bullingdon club, did they maintain it was not breaking the law because they were all in a household bubble?

    No, they splashed the cash which shut everyone up
    I bet none of it was BJ’s cash.
    Possibly not. He was before my time but the Bullingdon Club was generally seen as a much of obnoxious twats.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631
    eek said:

    FPT

    eek said:



    So you get more Grammar schools, sinking those who fail the exam on the day into a live of reduced advantages.

    I take it you didn't go to a Grammar school and were privately educated?

    Most of the pressure for extra grammar school places is in existing grammar areas, especially Kent.

    That's fair enough, the secondary moderns (for that is what they are, even if they rebrand themselves) in 11+ areas have an insanely difficult task, which they struggle with massively. If there were a risk of my children ending up in them, that would be a big worry for me.

    But by adding more GS places in selective areas, you end up making the grammar schools (a bit) more comprehensive. Ironic, really.

    Meanwhile, in areas where there aren't secondary modern schools, there really isn't pressure to create grammar schools.

    La Thatch knew what she was doing.
    As I pointed out below the issue in areas with comprehensive schools is that you end up with 1 or 2 great comprehensives that are often in the expensive part of town away from the council estates.

    Now most council estate children and parents won't want their children to go to that school but the parents that do should be granted the first places available rather than being rejected on distance grounds.

    That isn't a problem round here as the best local comprehensive games the system to get them in.
    The comps that I went to covered quite large council estates, as very many do. Certainly more socially diverse than either Grammars or private schools.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    eek said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I’m told that in a meeting with Govt special advisors today No 10 chief of staff Dan Rosenfield told them not to worry about police probe into No 10 parties.

    “At worst it will be like getting a fixed penalty fine for speeding, nothing to worry about,” he said.

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1486096364790558720

    It's not the fines or police they need to worry about - after Boris has finished firing everyone he needs to to protect himself they biggest concern come Thursday will be finding a new job.
    Again I say: students got £10k fines for house parties. That was the organizers presumably rather than every one of the attendees.

    So - someone in Drowning Street organized these parties. Not all of them will get a speeding fine.
    Surely the Biggie will be the wiping of phones and who ordered the wiping of phones. If that is in the Met. agenda that is a serious old business.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779

    YouGov - Do you think Boris Johnson should resign from his role as Prime Minister, or should he remain in his role?

    Should resign:
    Scotland 75%
    London 67%
    North 65%
    Rest of South 59%
    Midlands & Wales 55%

    GB 62%

    Nice to see my place of birth and place of residence in the #1 and #2 slot.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485

    Scott_xP said:

    10pm status: Sue Gray report has NOT been handed to No 10 tonight, per two sources. Could come tomorrow. So another spin on the merry go round then.
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1486095482388631556

    Jesus Christ
    This really is bloody pathetic, isn’t it?
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,376

    The longer this goes on, I’m afraid the safer Boris is.

    Boris is counting on overtaking events to divert us.

    What a crook he is. I hope the photos are leaked soon.

    I’m sure he is counting on events and kicking the can down the road but there come a time when that road runs out.

    I fully expect him to survive until May and if the locals are horrendous, or even just bad, he’s gone.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,989
    NEW: Tory MPs say Boris Johnson will have to resign as Prime Minister if he is fined for breaking Covid laws.

    [Very much an ‘if’, PM’s spokesman today said Johnson believes he has not broken Covid laws]
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1486105110811922436/photo/1
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706

    The longer this goes on, I’m afraid the safer Boris is.

    Boris is counting on overtaking events to divert us.

    What a crook he is. I hope the photos are leaked soon.

    British Nixon rather than Trump.

  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    edited January 2022
    HYUFD said:

    eek said:

    FPT

    eek said:



    So you get more Grammar schools, sinking those who fail the exam on the day into a live of reduced advantages.

    I take it you didn't go to a Grammar school and were privately educated?

    Most of the pressure for extra grammar school places is in existing grammar areas, especially Kent.

    That's fair enough, the secondary moderns (for that is what they are, even if they rebrand themselves) in 11+ areas have an insanely difficult task, which they struggle with massively. If there were a risk of my children ending up in them, that would be a big worry for me.

    But by adding more GS places in selective areas, you end up making the grammar schools (a bit) more comprehensive. Ironic, really.

    Meanwhile, in areas where there aren't secondary modern schools, there really isn't pressure to create grammar schools.

    La Thatch knew what she was doing.
    As I pointed out below the issue in areas with comprehensive schools is that you end up with 1 or 2 great comprehensives that are often in the expensive part of town away from the council estates.

    Now most council estate children and parents won't want their children to go to that school but the parents that do should be granted the first places available rather than being rejected on distance grounds.

    That isn't a problem round here as the best local comprehensive games the system to get them in.
    So you are still selecting unless you force all council estate children to go to that school and all middle class parents to go there too in equal proportions.

    You may as well force every shopper to go to Tesco and ban Waitrose, M and S, Asda and Lidl. Same socialist answer to everything, end choice, dictate and force everyone to only have one service they are allowed to use
    Once again read what I posted and think - because you haven't read it.

    There is a choice (which in your world doesn't exist at all) and most people take the easy option but it's available to all who want it. There is no selection involved here at all, parents choice the school and the school pulls the tricks it can to get the disadvantaged children into that school.

    And as I said wait until you have children (God forbid) and enter the world of School Admissions where you will probably discover that due to admission criteria you have a chance of admission into 1 school and it won't be the one you want.
  • HYUFD said:

    The racism furore in county cricket has reignited after the chairman of Middlesex expressed "outdated" stereotypes on why cricket is failing to nurture black and Asian talent.

    Azeem Rafiq and Ebony Rainford-Brent expressed outrage after Mike O'Farrell told MPs young black players prefer football and south Asian communities prioritise education.

    O'Farrell's comments were immediately likened with the career-ending words of former FA chairman Greg Clarke, who told the same committee in 2020 that south Asian people choose careers in IT over sport.

    "The other thing in the diversity bit is that the football and rugby world becomes much more attractive to the Afro-Caribbean community," said the Middlesex chief as he sat alongside other county chairmen at the first parliamentary hearing on cricket since Rafiq's bombshell evidence last November.

    "And in terms of the South Asian community, there is a moment where we're finding that they do not want necessarily to commit the same time that is necessary to go to the next step because they sometimes prefer to go into other educational fields, and then cricket becomes secondary. And part of that is because it's a rather more time-consuming sport than some others. So we're finding that's difficult."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/01/25/middlesex-chairman-facing-backlash-outdated-claim-black-people/

    Sport should always be secondary to education. I professional sportsperson will have a career of maybe 20 years. A good education lasts for life.
    Depends how good you are, if you are an outstanding footballer or cricketer or tennis player or rugby player then you will likely earn more from professional sport than you ever would in any other field.

    If you are only average or crap at sport, education is obviously far more important as you have zero chance of a professional sports career but your education level will likely determine your future earnings. You can still play sport for fun or fitness but grades come first
    As I noted down thread, "outstanding" tennis. It isn't true. I think most people would say 150th in the world is outstanding, after all your expenses you won't basically take any money at all. Tennis is one of the most top heavy sports going, Nadal, Novax, Federer makes £10 millions a year, Liam Broady (128th in the world) has to have a lodger to pay the rent on his flat.

    Cricket, if you only make it to county cricket, again, no you will be on crap money. Minimum county cricket salary is £24k a year. Its only if you make it to international or IPL level that you can make real money.
    This is true for most sports. Don’t forget sponsorship though. County cricketers etc get a car, free bats and kit etc. They will also expect to get a benefit season towards the end, useful for setting up the next stage of their lives.
    I note Brady has career earnings north of 1,000,000 dollars. Letting out the flat you don’t need while globe trotting is just sound business.
    Cricketers getting free bats, while being paid £25k a year woophie. Its why so many have to have a second job of some sort (be it more cricket or other off season income). Also making it through 10 years of county cricket is far from a certainty. And its a pretty shitty life constantly on the road living out of budget hotels.

    As for Broady, as explained, his expenses are vast and sponsorship small. I don't have the video link to hand, but he explains if he doesn't win a round at one of the grand slams in a year, he can't pay for his strength and conditioning coach. He spends £12k a year out of his own pocket on restring-ing his rackets alone. The constant travel for tennis is eye wateringly expensive, without the sort of income that say golf can provide.

    I think he says from that $1m, he has made about $100k....in 10 years.
    Yes, to be clear I wasn’t disagreeing with you. The top end really distorts perceptions about how much money sport pays.
    Yes and no. Tennis is problematic because if you are 100th in the world, you play basically always play the top guys in R1 and go home with no money.

    Something like golf, the base is much wider in terms of pay outs, but also you don't have to beat the World #1 to make any money. You can be 200-300th (even lower) in the world at golf and be earning a very decent living.
    I’m sure you are right, but don’t they have similar issues re coaches, caddy, constant travel etc too? But yes it does seem easier to earn at a lower level.
    take the 100th best at a sport in the world--

    Golf - millionaire perhaps ? 6 figure earnings annually
    Tennis - Not far away from golf
    Athletics - relying on a 20-30k a year UK sport grant probably
    Snooker - on the breadline
    Darts - is a postman/builder
    Cricket -60k a year playing as a senior pro at county/state level?
    Football - multi milliionaire ,fawned by fans earning 7 figure sums annually .

    Always be a footballer!!

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631
    MrEd said:

    Foxy said:

    MrEd said:

    Farooq said:

    Foxy said:

    As I sip a small glass of Singe Malt and toast my Hibernian ancestors and the immortal bard, I do hope that Johnson has a glass to go with his (political career) revolver. Can he be relied on to do the decent thing? 🤔

    Is Singe Malt = Monkey Shoulder?
    Mmmm, that’s a bit underhand. Foxy strikes me more of a Lagavulin man
    I do like the Islay malts, but tonight have Jura, which is close enough.
    At the risk of sounding like a complete pleb, my fave at the moment is Nikka Coffee whiskey.

    When I lived in South Africa in the 90s, I bought a couple of malts from the early 70s. One day, I’ll open then (hopefully before I drop dead).
    Never heard of it. Best drink up those malts, it could be WW3 before the winter is out, and they would be wasted.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163
    Scott_xP said:

    NEW: Tory MPs say Boris Johnson will have to resign as Prime Minister if he is fined for breaking Covid laws.

    [Very much an ‘if’, PM’s spokesman today said Johnson believes he has not broken Covid laws]
    https://twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1486105110811922436/photo/1

    Why will he have to resign? Because they think he should?

    Bl**dy cowards! They know what they need to do :angry:
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,989
    edited January 2022

    HYUFD said:

    The racism furore in county cricket has reignited after the chairman of Middlesex expressed "outdated" stereotypes on why cricket is failing to nurture black and Asian talent.

    Azeem Rafiq and Ebony Rainford-Brent expressed outrage after Mike O'Farrell told MPs young black players prefer football and south Asian communities prioritise education.

    O'Farrell's comments were immediately likened with the career-ending words of former FA chairman Greg Clarke, who told the same committee in 2020 that south Asian people choose careers in IT over sport.

    "The other thing in the diversity bit is that the football and rugby world becomes much more attractive to the Afro-Caribbean community," said the Middlesex chief as he sat alongside other county chairmen at the first parliamentary hearing on cricket since Rafiq's bombshell evidence last November.

    "And in terms of the South Asian community, there is a moment where we're finding that they do not want necessarily to commit the same time that is necessary to go to the next step because they sometimes prefer to go into other educational fields, and then cricket becomes secondary. And part of that is because it's a rather more time-consuming sport than some others. So we're finding that's difficult."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/01/25/middlesex-chairman-facing-backlash-outdated-claim-black-people/

    Sport should always be secondary to education. I professional sportsperson will have a career of maybe 20 years. A good education lasts for life.
    Depends how good you are, if you are an outstanding footballer or cricketer or tennis player or rugby player then you will likely earn more from professional sport than you ever would in any other field.

    If you are only average or crap at sport, education is obviously far more important as you have zero chance of a professional sports career but your education level will likely determine your future earnings. You can still play sport for fun or fitness but grades come first
    As I noted down thread, "outstanding" tennis. It isn't true. I think most people would say 150th in the world is outstanding, after all your expenses you won't basically take any money at all. Tennis is one of the most top heavy sports going, Nadal, Novax, Federer makes £10 millions a year, Liam Broady (128th in the world) has to have a lodger to pay the rent on his flat.

    Cricket, if you only make it to county cricket, again, no you will be on crap money. Minimum county cricket salary is £24k a year. Its only if you make it to international or IPL level that you can make real money.
    This is true for most sports. Don’t forget sponsorship though. County cricketers etc get a car, free bats and kit etc. They will also expect to get a benefit season towards the end, useful for setting up the next stage of their lives.
    I note Brady has career earnings north of 1,000,000 dollars. Letting out the flat you don’t need while globe trotting is just sound business.
    Cricketers getting free bats, while being paid £25k a year woophie. Its why so many have to have a second job of some sort (be it more cricket or other off season income). Also making it through 10 years of county cricket is far from a certainty. And its a pretty shitty life constantly on the road living out of budget hotels.

    As for Broady, as explained, his expenses are vast and sponsorship small. I don't have the video link to hand, but he explains if he doesn't win a round at one of the grand slams in a year, he can't pay for his strength and conditioning coach. He spends £12k a year out of his own pocket on restring-ing his rackets alone. The constant travel for tennis is eye wateringly expensive, without the sort of income that say golf can provide.

    I think he says from that $1m, he has made about $100k....in 10 years.
    Yes, to be clear I wasn’t disagreeing with you. The top end really distorts perceptions about how much money sport pays.
    Yes and no. Tennis is problematic because if you are 100th in the world, you play basically always play the top guys in R1 and go home with no money.

    Something like golf, the base is much wider in terms of pay outs, but also you don't have to beat the World #1 to make any money. You can be 200-300th (even lower) in the world at golf and be earning a very decent living.
    I’m sure you are right, but don’t they have similar issues re coaches, caddy, constant travel etc too? But yes it does seem easier to earn at a lower level.
    take the 100th best at a sport in the world--

    Golf - millionaire perhaps ? 6 figure earnings annually
    Tennis - Not far away from golf
    Athletics - relying on a 20-30k a year UK sport grant probably
    Snooker - on the breadline
    Darts - is a postman/builder
    Cricket -60k a year playing as a senior pro at county/state level?
    Football - multi milliionaire ,fawned by fans earning 7 figure sums annually .

    Always be a footballer!!

    100th best golfer in the world is winning several million a year.

    The 100th best tennis player is winning more like $100-200k, before massive expenses.

    Cricket, its £25k a year base salary for a country cricketer. Senior pros will be lucky to be £60k. Its why guns for hire for world T20 leagues is such a popular job.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Taz said:

    The longer this goes on, I’m afraid the safer Boris is.

    Boris is counting on overtaking events to divert us.

    What a crook he is. I hope the photos are leaked soon.

    I’m sure he is counting on events and kicking the can down the road but there come a time when that road runs out.

    I fully expect him to survive until May and if the locals are horrendous, or even just bad, he’s gone.
    I know it is already forgotten, but the news that stories today of Rishi strolling into the birthday sing along, with Lulu Lytle, thinking he was going to COBRA…have shaken me.

    Downing Street seems to be run with less care and discipline than even the shittiest places I’ve worked in my career.
  • Beibheirli_CBeibheirli_C Posts: 8,163

    eek said:

    PM confirms he has received Sue Gray’s inquiry into partygate this evening. Will make statement in House 3pm tomorrow and take Qs from MPs. Report will be published in entirety

    https://twitter.com/lmharpin/status/1486094264593436684

    That's a quick turnaround from the twittersphere musings of "it's definitely not happening tonight"
    Shows how much they actually know, doesn't it.

    It also calls into question everything else that's been "reported" today beyond the fact that Sue Gray has referred some elements to the police.
    It's all a bit Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle
    Not really - it shows that Boris feels he can gloss over it or that he has sacrificial goats on which he can inflict the blame. It seems that whatever is in the report is not a worry for him
    I was thinking more of the journalists and their twittering over the course of today.
    It looks like you were correct! :+1::smiley:
  • HYUFD said:

    The racism furore in county cricket has reignited after the chairman of Middlesex expressed "outdated" stereotypes on why cricket is failing to nurture black and Asian talent.

    Azeem Rafiq and Ebony Rainford-Brent expressed outrage after Mike O'Farrell told MPs young black players prefer football and south Asian communities prioritise education.

    O'Farrell's comments were immediately likened with the career-ending words of former FA chairman Greg Clarke, who told the same committee in 2020 that south Asian people choose careers in IT over sport.

    "The other thing in the diversity bit is that the football and rugby world becomes much more attractive to the Afro-Caribbean community," said the Middlesex chief as he sat alongside other county chairmen at the first parliamentary hearing on cricket since Rafiq's bombshell evidence last November.

    "And in terms of the South Asian community, there is a moment where we're finding that they do not want necessarily to commit the same time that is necessary to go to the next step because they sometimes prefer to go into other educational fields, and then cricket becomes secondary. And part of that is because it's a rather more time-consuming sport than some others. So we're finding that's difficult."


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/01/25/middlesex-chairman-facing-backlash-outdated-claim-black-people/

    Sport should always be secondary to education. I professional sportsperson will have a career of maybe 20 years. A good education lasts for life.
    Depends how good you are, if you are an outstanding footballer or cricketer or tennis player or rugby player then you will likely earn more from professional sport than you ever would in any other field.

    If you are only average or crap at sport, education is obviously far more important as you have zero chance of a professional sports career but your education level will likely determine your future earnings. You can still play sport for fun or fitness but grades come first
    As I noted down thread, "outstanding" tennis. It isn't true. I think most people would say 150th in the world is outstanding, after all your expenses you won't basically take any money at all. Tennis is one of the most top heavy sports going, Nadal, Novax, Federer makes £10 millions a year, Liam Broady (128th in the world) has to have a lodger to pay the rent on his flat.

    Cricket, if you only make it to county cricket, again, no you will be on crap money. Minimum county cricket salary is £24k a year. Its only if you make it to international or IPL level that you can make real money.
    This is true for most sports. Don’t forget sponsorship though. County cricketers etc get a car, free bats and kit etc. They will also expect to get a benefit season towards the end, useful for setting up the next stage of their lives.
    I note Brady has career earnings north of 1,000,000 dollars. Letting out the flat you don’t need while globe trotting is just sound business.
    Cricketers getting free bats, while being paid £25k a year woophie. Its why so many have to have a second job of some sort (be it more cricket or other off season income). Also making it through 10 years of county cricket is far from a certainty. And its a pretty shitty life constantly on the road living out of budget hotels.

    As for Broady, as explained, his expenses are vast and sponsorship small. I don't have the video link to hand, but he explains if he doesn't win a round at one of the grand slams in a year, he can't pay for his strength and conditioning coach. He spends £12k a year out of his own pocket on restring-ing his rackets alone. The constant travel for tennis is eye wateringly expensive, without the sort of income that say golf can provide.

    I think he says from that $1m, he has made about $100k....in 10 years.
    Yes, to be clear I wasn’t disagreeing with you. The top end really distorts perceptions about how much money sport pays.
    Yes and no. Tennis is problematic because if you are 100th in the world, you play basically always play the top guys in R1 and go home with no money.

    Something like golf, the base is much wider in terms of pay outs, but also you don't have to beat the World #1 to make any money. You can be 200-300th (even lower) in the world at golf and be earning a very decent living.
    I’m sure you are right, but don’t they have similar issues re coaches, caddy, constant travel etc too? But yes it does seem easier to earn at a lower level.
    take the 100th best at a sport in the world--

    Golf - millionaire perhaps ? 6 figure earnings annually
    Tennis - Not far away from golf
    Athletics - relying on a 20-30k a year UK sport grant probably
    Snooker - on the breadline
    Darts - is a postman/builder
    Cricket -60k a year playing as a senior pro at county/state level?
    Football - multi milliionaire ,fawned by fans earning 7 figure sums annually .

    Always be a footballer!!

    100th best golfer in the world is winning several million a year.

    The 100th best tennis player is winning more like $100-200k, before massive expenses.

    Cricket, its £25k a year base salary for a country cricketer. Senior pros will be lucky to be £60k. Its why guns for hire for world T20 leagues is such a popular job.
    yes but 100th best cricketer in the world is probably on the fringe of international selection I woudl think
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,706
    While we were all diverted....

    Harry Cole
    @MrHarryCole
    ·
    1h
    NEW: Another Cabinet row erupted today as two senior ministers clashed over the future of the BBC for the second week running...

    Nadine Dorries and Therese Coffey crossed swords again over funding of Beeb - with
    @thejonnyreilly

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1486076430786179085
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,989
    edited January 2022
    Cycling the craziest one for me. Its £40k a year minimum for a world tour cyclist, but then every year the team you belong to decide among the riders themselves what the rewards structure for prize money. Some teams its a percentage, some its even split, some its only if you rode in an event, some its any member of the team.

    I think it was Peter Kennaugh on the Tour de France coverage last year said he made more money in a single year he didn't even ride the grand tours than basically the rest of his career, because Team Sky totally dominated and for that year they paid even split to everybody who was a member of the team.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,400
    What's this about the Tory Party rules not being enforceable?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,631

    Taz said:

    The longer this goes on, I’m afraid the safer Boris is.

    Boris is counting on overtaking events to divert us.

    What a crook he is. I hope the photos are leaked soon.

    I’m sure he is counting on events and kicking the can down the road but there come a time when that road runs out.

    I fully expect him to survive until May and if the locals are horrendous, or even just bad, he’s gone.
    I know it is already forgotten, but the news that stories today of Rishi strolling into the birthday sing along, with Lulu Lytle, thinking he was going to COBRA…have shaken me.

    Downing Street seems to be run with less care and discipline than even the shittiest places I’ve worked in my career.
    Perhaps being teetotal he didn't realise that a Cobra meeting was Downing St code for curry and a crate of Indian lager.
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