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  • Nigelb said:

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    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:


    Scott_xP said:

    Dominic Cummings is not meeting Sue Gray Instead all communication is in writing He sets out why in full in his blog but in essence he claims the PM would invent 'nonsense and spin it to the media' if they spoke so she agreed to his suggestion 'to keep everything in writing'
    https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1485594923273535491
    https://twitter.com/dominic2306/status/1485592208657063938

    OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

    Bad bad move. You always interview. Always. And if someone doesn't want to be interviewed in something they claim to be as important as this you view what they tell you with a hugely sceptical eye.

    He can't be forced to an interview. But the consequences of him refusing to do so for the investigation should be spelt out.

    Frankly I'd be inclined to discount very clearly in the report - in the executive summary - anything he says unless it is clearly corroborated elsewhere by reliable evidence. I would also list out all the unanswered questions and issues I was not able to address as a result of this witness being unwilling to be interviewed.
    Please Cyclefree, that is unladylike. remember the adage:


    Men should only weep in war, women should only swear in bed
    OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE!!!
    I'm sure @Leon hears that often.
    Either that or "Are you in yet?"
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    Jonathan said:

    eek said:

    Somewhere a SPAD is having a good day

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1485649813379362816

    Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    Whether it’s a major music festival, sporting event or concert, it's important that people pay a fair price to see the events they love. Please remain vigilant when considering to buy from ticket touts. Guidance is available if you are unsure: http://fanfairalliance.org/faqs/

    image

    You tune into PB and see this. Political satire is dead.
    I only posted it because it appeared in my twitter feed as a retweet with that comment - whether it's a question of pick a topic to use the photo or pick a photo for the tweet the choice is an "interesting" one.
  • Applicant said:

    HYUFD said:
    Labour really are useless. A full 7 percentage points in front and barely ahead on seats. Utterly useless.
    Wouldn't happen in the real world, of course.
    You mean .. uniform national swing is a false narrative. I slavishly follow HY's analysis, and it looks plausible to me.
    I think 300 seats is the absolute best Labour can do at the next election but I think a 5% lead over the Tories, something like Con 34% Lab 39% could produce that even on the new boundaries.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Jonathan said:

    Is it wrong to distrust Boris to the extent that they will use the Russia-Ukraine situation to save his own skin, even if that risks British interests?

    No 10 have been spinning the Churchillian narrative for 48 hours now.

    And I think you know the answer to your question. Just think of a five letter word, beginning in "B".
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    eek said:

    Somewhere a SPAD is having a good day

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1485649813379362816

    Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    Whether it’s a major music festival, sporting event or concert, it's important that people pay a fair price to see the events they love. Please remain vigilant when considering to buy from ticket touts. Guidance is available if you are unsure: http://fanfairalliance.org/faqs/

    image

    Nadine must be shitting herself about Johnson getting ousted. No-one but The Clown would put such a numpty in a government job. Anyone know what her majority is? I'd be tempted to go and canvass for any party that has a chance of dislodging her.
    24,664 - one of the biggest in the country. https://members.parliament.uk/constituency/3603/election/397
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    edited January 2022

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    ..yea and that Muslim stuff, like being teetotal. Makes people feel, well, you know, uncomfortable?
    Rishi is teetotal and not Muslim, I know plenty of Muslims who aren't teetotal. Small minded, teetotaller puritans come in all shapes and sizes, someone I worked previously with fit that category and was an older English man, I also know a fair number of Americans who fit that category too!

    Donald Trump is teetotal and definitely small minded, that's two out of three.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,190
    kamski said:

    kamski said:

    kamski said:

    kamski said:

    MISTY said:

    MISTY said:

    Wonder who will water this down:

    EU foreign ministers are planning to condemn "Russia's continued aggressive actions and threats against Ukraine", while calling for de-escalation at Monday's (24 January) meeting in Brussels.

    https://euobserver.com/world/154167

    Can anybody understand or explain the EU's foreign policy approach on is eastern borders? It seems to lack all coherence.
    Is the EU hopelessly split or hopelessly united? The spin changes so often one becomes dizzy.
    The EU is suffering from Germany procrastination and the fact it does not have a coordinated defence mechanism

    Furthermore, now more than ever it is missing the UK with the UK leading with the US in providing military and technical help and NATO increasing ships and aircraft into Eastern Europe

    The Ukraine ambassador to the UK was extremely bitter towards Germany on yesterday's media
    Germany was neutered by the 4 occupying powers (Soviet empire, British empire, French empire and American empire).

    You cannot neuter a political entity and then complain when it cannot act in an aggressive fashion.

    (Well, Tories can. Obviously. Maybe you’re a “Real” Tory after all Big G.)
    Germany had no problem supplying military equipment and training to... Russia.

    After Russia had invaded and annexed part of Ukraine. And was continuing to fight a war there.
    Germany's policy is up to Germany, its none of our business. If they have become Russia-ambivalent or Russia apologist, that's up to them.

    What we should here in Britain should do is stop pretending the West is what it was and that Germany is a reliable ally, when it may not be. We have to adjust our policy approach. Very regrettable in the circumstances, but perhaps necessary.

    Which makes sense. Unfortunately national governments tend to do what they think is in the best short-term interests of their country, (and/or themselves/their mates personally/their party/the interests they represent). Not sure why Germany in particular should be expected to be any different.

    It's often repeated on here that Germany supplied military equipment to Russia after Russia had annexed the Crimea in 2014, but is this actually true? My understanding is that German arms exports to Russia have been blocked since then.
    https://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/public_relations/news/archiv/archive2016/index~1_1219.php

    Dated 2011. The Russian annexation of Crimea was 2014. I seem to remember that order wasn't fully completed because exports were blocked in 2014.

    So, did Germany actually export any arms to Russia after they annexed Crimea in 2014?
    Russian troops invaded Georgia in 2008. They were in Moldova by 1992 (arguably 1990).
    Yes, of course, and I have campaigned against German arms exports since I have been in Germany.

    My question is whether it is accurate that Germany has exported to Russia since Crimea? I have read it a few times on here, but can't find anything to support it.
    They continued work on the training centre and supporting it until after very strong pressure from the US, after Crimea....
    I'd like to take your word for it, but any source for what actually happened?
    At least we seem to have gone from

    Germany allowed arms exports to Russia after Crimea

    to

    A German company would have finished their contract if they hadn't been stopped by the German government.

    Which does sound a bit like they didn't allow arms exports after Crimea.

    But I am genuinely curious if someone has a source that says they did actually continue exporting arms.
  • Jonathan said:

    Is it wrong to distrust Boris to the extent that he will use the Russia-Ukraine situation to save his own skin, even if that risks British interests?

    Very much not, no.
  • Biden calling UVDL, Macron, German and Italy leaders tonight over Russia threat to Ukraine

    And for the avoidance of doubt Boris will also be in the call

    I expect in the next couple of days Boris to stand at the dispatch box all Churchillian and the the letters will melt away

    Is he a lucky general so to speak
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    ..yea and that Muslim stuff, like being teetotal. Makes people feel, well, you know, uncomfortable?
    And it wasn't teetotaller Khan who banned having a tinnie on the tube either.
    Possibly the best thing Boris did as Mayor. Sure, plenty of people now ignore it - but it improved the tube massively overnight.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,643

    Biden calling UVDL, Macron, German and Italy leaders tonight over Russia threat to Ukraine

    And for the avoidance of doubt Boris will also be in the call

    I expect in the next couple of days Boris to stand at the dispatch box all Churchillian and the the letters will melt away

    Is he a lucky general so to speak

    Will you melt?
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379

    Applicant said:

    HYUFD said:
    Labour really are useless. A full 7 percentage points in front and barely ahead on seats. Utterly useless.
    Wouldn't happen in the real world, of course.
    You mean .. uniform national swing is a false narrative.
    Shocking, isn't it?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Applicant said:

    HYUFD said:
    Labour really are useless. A full 7 percentage points in front and barely ahead on seats. Utterly useless.
    Wouldn't happen in the real world, of course.
    You mean .. uniform national swing is a false narrative. I slavishly follow HY's analysis, and it looks plausible to me.
    I think 300 seats is the absolute best Labour can do at the next election but I think a 5% lead over the Tories, something like Con 34% Lab 39% could produce that even on the new boundaries.
    A fair analysis. Without Scotland there is no majority.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,419
    FPT: FPT
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Boris needs to be PM for another 39 days to beat Percval, and 136 days to beat Brown. Surely the latter is a bare minimum.

    On Bond, Rege-Jean Page was one suave gentleman, but people seem to like grizzled Bonds.

    I think the recent Bond films have been particularly good earners, since Skyfall made almost twice what QoS did, which seem slike they'd want to make them come out more regularly, but even without Covid they have been quite slow.

    Quantum of Solace was a truly dreadful movie, though: a charisma-less baddy combined with a incomprehensible plot.
    I really liked that one. :lol:
    Hang on: the villain in QoS was the least scary across the whole Bond franchise. Dominic Greene eating an apple.

    Woooohhhh... scary.
    You're totally right. :lol: I suppose I am judging QOS as a thriller with some Bond elements, and NTTD as a Bond film, which isn't fair. QOS is a weak Bond film I suppose. NTTD is a weak Bond film and just a weak film in general imo.

    As someone else mentioned, the black 007 character's portrayal was unfortunate. We saw her chucking a prisoner off a gantry into some boiling acid (or whatever) because he goaded her with racist taunts. It was clearly meant to be some sort of anti-racist statement, but instead came over as deeply racist.
  • StuartDicksonStuartDickson Posts: 12,146

    RedfieldWilton lead for labour is down to 7%

    Labour 41 (-2) Conservatives 34 (+4)

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1485658684701253646?t=y2xaPJ2NDys1ZZYP4UoNwA&s=19

    Boris survives. Phew!
  • MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    ..yea and that Muslim stuff, like being teetotal. Makes people feel, well, you know, uncomfortable?
    Rishi is teetotal and not Muslim, I know plenty of Muslims who aren't teetotal. Small minded, teetotaller puritans come in all shapes and sizes, someone I worked previously with fit that category and was an older English man, I also know a fair number of Americans who fit that category too!
    Yea, but when you attack someone who is a Muslim and is teetotal it is a bit, well perhaps, suspect? A bit like attacking someone for not being one of the lads and enjoying a bacon sandwich when they are Jewish.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,133
    edited January 2022
    As mentioned by a couple of posters, though, the opposition to Thatcher didn't melt away in the run-up to the Gulf War, nevertheless.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    eek said:

    Somewhere a SPAD is having a good day

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1485649813379362816

    Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    Whether it’s a major music festival, sporting event or concert, it's important that people pay a fair price to see the events they love. Please remain vigilant when considering to buy from ticket touts. Guidance is available if you are unsure: http://fanfairalliance.org/faqs/

    image

    Nadine must be shitting herself about Johnson getting ousted. No-one but The Clown would put such a numpty in a government job. Anyone know what her majority is?
    Safe as houses - 20+k majority, among safest 10% of seats for the Tories.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_Bedfordshire_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
  • MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    ..yea and that Muslim stuff, like being teetotal. Makes people feel, well, you know, uncomfortable?
    Rishi is teetotal and not Muslim, I know plenty of Muslims who aren't teetotal. Small minded, teetotaller puritans come in all shapes and sizes, someone I worked previously with fit that category and was an older English man, I also know a fair number of Americans who fit that category too!

    Donald Trump is teetotal and definitely small minded, that's two out of three.
    Small minded? Moi?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    ..yea and that Muslim stuff, like being teetotal. Makes people feel, well, you know, uncomfortable?
    Rishi is teetotal and not Muslim, I know plenty of Muslims who aren't teetotal. Small minded, teetotaller puritans come in all shapes and sizes, someone I worked previously with fit that category and was an older English man, I also know a fair number of Americans who fit that category too!
    Yea, but when you attack someone who is a Muslim and is teetotal it is a bit, well perhaps, suspect? A bit like attacking someone for not being one of the lads and enjoying a bacon sandwich when they are Jewish.
    Not really, drinking, small mindedness and puritanism are all choices. He's in all three of those categories too, and not because he's a Muslim either.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779
    Applicant said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    ..yea and that Muslim stuff, like being teetotal. Makes people feel, well, you know, uncomfortable?
    And it wasn't teetotaller Khan who banned having a tinnie on the tube either.
    Possibly the best thing Boris did as Mayor. Sure, plenty of people now ignore it - but it improved the tube massively overnight.
    Still, seems a bit puritan. You can only imagine the comments if Khan had introduced it.
  • Applicant said:

    eek said:

    Somewhere a SPAD is having a good day

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1485649813379362816

    Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    Whether it’s a major music festival, sporting event or concert, it's important that people pay a fair price to see the events they love. Please remain vigilant when considering to buy from ticket touts. Guidance is available if you are unsure: http://fanfairalliance.org/faqs/

    image

    Nadine must be shitting herself about Johnson getting ousted. No-one but The Clown would put such a numpty in a government job. Anyone know what her majority is? I'd be tempted to go and canvass for any party that has a chance of dislodging her.
    24,664 - one of the biggest in the country. https://members.parliament.uk/constituency/3603/election/397
    Donkey with a Blue Rosette country :lol:
  • kle4 said:

    eek said:

    Somewhere a SPAD is having a good day

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1485649813379362816

    Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    Whether it’s a major music festival, sporting event or concert, it's important that people pay a fair price to see the events they love. Please remain vigilant when considering to buy from ticket touts. Guidance is available if you are unsure: http://fanfairalliance.org/faqs/

    image

    Nadine must be shitting herself about Johnson getting ousted. No-one but The Clown would put such a numpty in a government job. Anyone know what her majority is?
    Safe as houses - 20+k majority, among safest 10% of seats for the Tories.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_Bedfordshire_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
    Who on earth thought giving her a safe seat was a sensible idea? FFS. I really do worry that the Tory Party is irretrievably doomed.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,647
    They have just removed all social distancing in my gym - instantly doubles the amount of kit.

    Hallelujah!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    ..yea and that Muslim stuff, like being teetotal. Makes people feel, well, you know, uncomfortable?
    Rishi is teetotal and not Muslim, I know plenty of Muslims who aren't teetotal. Small minded, teetotaller puritans come in all shapes and sizes, someone I worked previously with fit that category and was an older English man, I also know a fair number of Americans who fit that category too!
    Yea, but when you attack someone who is a Muslim and is teetotal it is a bit, well perhaps, suspect? A bit like attacking someone for not being one of the lads and enjoying a bacon sandwich when they are Jewish.
    I think being teetotal is a bit too common a thing to lead to suspicion it is used as a codeword without something else to back it up - like Goldsmith's attempts to portray Khan as friendly to extremist.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918

    kle4 said:

    eek said:

    Somewhere a SPAD is having a good day

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1485649813379362816

    Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    Whether it’s a major music festival, sporting event or concert, it's important that people pay a fair price to see the events they love. Please remain vigilant when considering to buy from ticket touts. Guidance is available if you are unsure: http://fanfairalliance.org/faqs/

    image

    Nadine must be shitting herself about Johnson getting ousted. No-one but The Clown would put such a numpty in a government job. Anyone know what her majority is?
    Safe as houses - 20+k majority, among safest 10% of seats for the Tories.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_Bedfordshire_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
    Who on earth thought giving her a safe seat was a sensible idea? FFS. I really do worry that the Tory Party is irretrievably doomed.
    Michael Howard, Nadine was on an all women shortlist pre 2005
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Biden calling UVDL, Macron, German and Italy leaders tonight over Russia threat to Ukraine

    And for the avoidance of doubt Boris will also be in the call

    I expect in the next couple of days Boris to stand at the dispatch box all Churchillian and the the letters will melt away

    Is he a lucky general so to speak

    Time to put the traitors back in their boxes?

    P S. I suspect it will be a Peppa Pig version of Churchillian, but benefit of the doubt eh?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Eabhal said:

    They have just removed all social distancing in my gym - instantly doubles the amount of kit.

    Hallelujah!

    Only now??

    They did that in my Camden gym in December....

    This is not some farcical boast, I'm just amazed some gyms are still distancing. Where is this?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    LOL. Most of Johnson's "big stuff" in London came to nothing and simply wasted everyone's time and lots of our money.
  • Jonathan said:

    Is it wrong to distrust Boris to the extent that they will use the Russia-Ukraine situation to save his own skin, even if that risks British interests?

    Nobody has ever distrusted Boris Johnson too much.
    "I could not fail to disagree with you less!"
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    ..yea and that Muslim stuff, like being teetotal. Makes people feel, well, you know, uncomfortable?
    Fair enough. Feel uncomfortable. Knock yourself out
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    Want to know why Gas prices are so high Gazprom are following orders - see the last paragraph.

    https://twitter.com/GazpromEN/status/1485625157137965059/

    image
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625
    Is it widely known that the CEO of Nord Stream is a former Stasi agent with links to Putin going back to his time as a spy in Dresden?

    https://www.dw.com/en/who-is-nord-streams-matthias-warnig-putins-friend-from-east-germany/a-56328159
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    So with Miss @Cyclefree's language earlier, I feel duty bound to share with PB the fresh take on the popular new word game...

    https://sweardle.com/
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,647
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    They have just removed all social distancing in my gym - instantly doubles the amount of kit.

    Hallelujah!

    Only now??

    They did that in my Camden gym in December....

    This is not some farcical boast, I'm just amazed some gyms are still distancing. Where is this?
    Scotland...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    They have just removed all social distancing in my gym - instantly doubles the amount of kit.

    Hallelujah!

    Only now??

    They did that in my Camden gym in December....

    This is not some farcical boast, I'm just amazed some gyms are still distancing. Where is this?
    Scotland...
    Ah

    Problem Solved.

    Calvinist, joyless Scotland sure is back, bigtime
  • RedfieldWilton lead for labour is down to 7%

    Labour 41 (-2) Conservatives 34 (+4)

    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1485658684701253646?t=y2xaPJ2NDys1ZZYP4UoNwA&s=19

    Boris survives. Phew!
    "Put up or shut up!"
  • Jonathan said:

    Biden calling UVDL, Macron, German and Italy leaders tonight over Russia threat to Ukraine

    And for the avoidance of doubt Boris will also be in the call

    I expect in the next couple of days Boris to stand at the dispatch box all Churchillian and the the letters will melt away

    Is he a lucky general so to speak

    Will you melt?
    Not me but I do expect this story could have a big influence over conservative mps
  • Is it widely known that the CEO of Nord Stream is a former Stasi agent with links to Putin going back to his time as a spy in Dresden?

    https://www.dw.com/en/who-is-nord-streams-matthias-warnig-putins-friend-from-east-germany/a-56328159

    "section 15? Leipzig?"
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    Farooq said:

    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    ..yea and that Muslim stuff, like being teetotal. Makes people feel, well, you know, uncomfortable?
    Rishi is teetotal and not Muslim, I know plenty of Muslims who aren't teetotal. Small minded, teetotaller puritans come in all shapes and sizes, someone I worked previously with fit that category and was an older English man, I also know a fair number of Americans who fit that category too!
    Yea, but when you attack someone who is a Muslim and is teetotal it is a bit, well perhaps, suspect? A bit like attacking someone for not being one of the lads and enjoying a bacon sandwich when they are Jewish.
    I think being teetotal is a bit too common a thing to lead to suspicion it is used as a codeword without something else to back it up - like Goldsmith's attempts to portray Khan as friendly to extremist.
    The use of the word "puritan" also hints at religious motivations.
    Puritan was always an insult. If it is meant to evoke religiosity then that's even further away from being a muslim.

    It doesn't seem likely Khan never faces attacks for such a reason, but for being a teetotal puritan? It just seems a bit weak, as a teetotaller.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,647
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    They have just removed all social distancing in my gym - instantly doubles the amount of kit.

    Hallelujah!

    Only now??

    They did that in my Camden gym in December....

    This is not some farcical boast, I'm just amazed some gyms are still distancing. Where is this?
    Scotland...
    Ah

    Problem Solved.

    Calvinist, joyless Scotland sure is back, bigtime
    My work gym remains closed. So here I am, £40 a month worse off, with the great unwashed.

    Doc says no running till April. APRIL!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    LOL. Most of Johnson's "big stuff" in London came to nothing and simply wasted everyone's time and lots of our money.
    One of the interesting thing about the fixed-term limits to the mayoralty (London, in this case), is that it shows how little power a mayor has to change things in their period in power.

    Take the Olympics. Delivered under Johnson, but got under Livingstone. Who takes most of the credit for its success? Johnson, obviously, but much of the groundwork (literally) was under his predecessor.

    Eight years, and particularly four years, is little time to change things for the better as most impactful projects take much longer to come to fruition. All a mayor can do is influence the direction of policy travel.
  • Gary_BurtonGary_Burton Posts: 737
    edited January 2022
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    eek said:

    Somewhere a SPAD is having a good day

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1485649813379362816

    Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    Whether it’s a major music festival, sporting event or concert, it's important that people pay a fair price to see the events they love. Please remain vigilant when considering to buy from ticket touts. Guidance is available if you are unsure: http://fanfairalliance.org/faqs/

    image

    Nadine must be shitting herself about Johnson getting ousted. No-one but The Clown would put such a numpty in a government job. Anyone know what her majority is?
    Safe as houses - 20+k majority, among safest 10% of seats for the Tories.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_Bedfordshire_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
    Who on earth thought giving her a safe seat was a sensible idea? FFS. I really do worry that the Tory Party is irretrievably doomed.
    Michael Howard, Nadine was on an all women shortlist pre 2005
    She also stood in Hazel Grove in 2001. She was temporarily deselected in 2000 before being reimposed.
  • Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Roger said:

    The Russia Ukraine crisis is now leading the media and increasingly so

    1) The Sue Gray report is presented to the HOC by Boris and lots of sounds of fury but his mps fail to send in the letters.
    Boris stands firm against Russia, Rishi announces the suspension of the NI rise, abolishes vat on energy and implements a generous grant scheme to all standard rate taxpayer households, Gove announces the levelling up schemes and Boris carries on praying for some respite in May

    Or

    2) He is gone by the end of the week

    If I was betting on that I think 1 is favourite


    Apart frrom "Tory Minister resigns in Covid fraud". which happens to be leading the news but I am surprised. This sort of thing is so commonplace with this government It's odd that they bother to report it
    I have no idea which news you are watching but it is Russia Ukraine and right now a live NATO conference
    It did briefly flash up on the BBC website.

    The entire bounce back loans debarcle was entirely known about and could be seen coming down the line a year ago. I regularly frequent AccountingWeb/AnyAnswers forum (a riviting read for accountants and non-accountants alike.... okay, I jest; its as dry as anything) and every accountant on there was reporting that they felt for sure they had to file SARs (Suspicious Activity Reports, rather than Subject Access Requests) for a good number of their clients who'd taken the maximum bounceback loan of £50k, whizzed it up the wall on a new motor for themselves then filed DS01 a week later to strike their company off.

    I doubt even half of bounceback loans will ever be repaid.
    Agnew's account of his struggles to get it taken seriously are damning.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/jan/24/uk-politics-boris-johnson-conservatives-labour-nusrat-ghani
    ...The oversight by both BEIS [the Department for Business, Enterprise and Industry Strategy] and the British Business Bank of the panel lenders of BBLs has been nothing less than woeful. They have been assisted by the Treasury, who appear to have no knowledge or little interest in the consequences of fraud to our economy or our society... etc.

    The fact that he's (apparently) close to Gove and Truss might account for the timing of this, but he does seem to have resigned for good reason, out of sheer frustration with the government.
    I suspect this might be Rishi dished.
    ...Agnew said, at the start of the pandemic, BEIS had just two counter-fraud officials on its staff, neither of whom were experienced in this area. They refused to enagage with the counter-fraud team at the Cabinet Office reporting to Agnew, Agnrew said.

    Schoolboy errors were made, for example allowing over a thousand companies to receive bounceback loans that were not even trading when Covid struck ...

    I’ve been arguing with Treasury and Bay’s officials for nearly two years to get them to lift their game. I’ve been mostly unsuccessful.

    Agnew said he was particulary worried about how banks had been able to claim back 100% of some Covid loans that were written off. He said three out of the seven main lenders were responsible for 87% of the loans paid out to firms that are now dissolved. And two of the seven lenders were responsible for 81% of loans to firms set up after the pandemic started, he said.

    Agnew said, if only the British Business Bank would “wake up”, there was still time to take action on duplicate loans paid out. He went on:

    Despite pressing BEIS and BBB for over a year, there is still no single dashboard of management data to scrutinise lender performance. It is inexcusable.

    We’ve already paid out nearly £1bn pounds to banks claiming the state guarantee . The percentage of these losses estimated to be from fraud rather than credit failure is 26%. I accept this as only an earlier approximation but a very worrying one.

    Agnew said he had at least four differences of opinion with Treasury officials on what the government shoud be doing.

    He said there was a failure by Treasury and BEIS officials to understand the “complete disjunction” between the amount of criminal activity in this area, probably hundreds of thousands of cases, and the capacity of the enforcement agencies trying to stop it. For example, Natis, the National Investigation Service, can handle just 200 cases a year, he said....
    BEIS is Kwasi iirc. Where does he stand on the succession? Agnew's line that stands out is "no single dashboard" which sounds very Cummingsesque.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:


    Scott_xP said:

    Dominic Cummings is not meeting Sue Gray Instead all communication is in writing He sets out why in full in his blog but in essence he claims the PM would invent 'nonsense and spin it to the media' if they spoke so she agreed to his suggestion 'to keep everything in writing'
    https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1485594923273535491
    https://twitter.com/dominic2306/status/1485592208657063938

    OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

    Bad bad move. You always interview. Always. And if someone doesn't want to be interviewed in something they claim to be as important as this you view what they tell you with a hugely sceptical eye.

    He can't be forced to an interview. But the consequences of him refusing to do so for the investigation should be spelt out.

    Frankly I'd be inclined to discount very clearly in the report - in the executive summary - anything he says unless it is clearly corroborated elsewhere by reliable evidence. I would also list out all the unanswered questions and issues I was not able to address as a result of this witness being unwilling to be interviewed.
    Please Cyclefree, that is unladylike. remember the adage:


    Men should only weep in war, women should only swear in bed
    Fuck off you patronising man!
    If you think that was bad, you should see what the disgusting letch was writing - under his own name - a decade ago. Pure, unadulterated filth.
    I thought Mary Whitehouse died a few decades ago. Odd to think her spirit lives on in Sweden, of all places...
    And it was filth adulterated by very bad writing in any case.
    Do you have a link? This was before my time but it all sounds very intriguing
    For those who cannot remember 20 years ago, a more innocent age:

    "It is time, time… Now. Yes. She is so small and compact and yet she has all the necessary features… Shall I compare thee to a Sony Walkman. She is his own Toshiba, his dinky little JVC, his sweet Aiwa… Aiwa, aiwa aiwa aiwa aiwa aiwa aiwa aiwa aiwa aiwa aiwaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh"
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Jonathan said:

    Biden calling UVDL, Macron, German and Italy leaders tonight over Russia threat to Ukraine

    And for the avoidance of doubt Boris will also be in the call

    I expect in the next couple of days Boris to stand at the dispatch box all Churchillian and the the letters will melt away

    Is he a lucky general so to speak

    Will you melt?
    Not me but I do expect this story could have a big influence over conservative mps
    They will disgrace themselves if they do so, Johnson doesn't deserve his political survival, for what he has overseen.

    We also need a grown up to manage the Russian crisis. Johnson spitting out hard man sound bites to get a vote here and there is not Churchillian statesmanship.
  • ApplicantApplicant Posts: 3,379
    Meanwhile, in "ursine toilet habit" news, Watford have sacked another manager.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    HYUFD said:

    kle4 said:

    eek said:

    Somewhere a SPAD is having a good day

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1485649813379362816

    Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    Whether it’s a major music festival, sporting event or concert, it's important that people pay a fair price to see the events they love. Please remain vigilant when considering to buy from ticket touts. Guidance is available if you are unsure: http://fanfairalliance.org/faqs/

    image

    Nadine must be shitting herself about Johnson getting ousted. No-one but The Clown would put such a numpty in a government job. Anyone know what her majority is?
    Safe as houses - 20+k majority, among safest 10% of seats for the Tories.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid_Bedfordshire_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
    Who on earth thought giving her a safe seat was a sensible idea? FFS. I really do worry that the Tory Party is irretrievably doomed.
    Michael Howard, Nadine was on an all women shortlist pre 2005
    Crumbs.
    Imagine being one of those overlooked.
  • Jonathan said:

    Biden calling UVDL, Macron, German and Italy leaders tonight over Russia threat to Ukraine

    And for the avoidance of doubt Boris will also be in the call

    I expect in the next couple of days Boris to stand at the dispatch box all Churchillian and the the letters will melt away

    Is he a lucky general so to speak

    Will you melt?
    Not me but I do expect this story could have a big influence over conservative mps
    They will disgrace themselves if they do so, Johnson doesn't deserve his political survival, for what he has overseen.

    We also need a grown up to manage the Russian crisis. Johnson spitting out hard man sound bites to get a vote here and there is not Churchillian statesmanship.
    Politics hey
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    The list of famous teetotal leaders is not that encouraging:


    Donald Trump
    Ayatollah Khomeini
    George Dubya Bush
    Sadiq Khan
    The Taliban guy
    Joe Biden
    Genghis Khan
    Adolf Hitler


    Lesson, always elect a leader that like a drink, at least occasionally


  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Suspect Putin did not expect an apparently weakened US President to so clearly signal support for Ukraine and Europe in general, bringing together such a cast list. Easy mistake to make, suspect few people did. A reminder that such unity is still possible.

    https://twitter.com/davidheniguk/status/1485670423765438475?s=21
  • Applicant said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    ..yea and that Muslim stuff, like being teetotal. Makes people feel, well, you know, uncomfortable?
    And it wasn't teetotaller Khan who banned having a tinnie on the tube either.
    Possibly the best thing Boris did as Mayor. Sure, plenty of people now ignore it - but it improved the tube massively overnight.
    Did it? I never noticed a booze problem on the tube (Christmas excepted, perhaps) but perhaps it depended which line you took.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Leon said:

    The list of famous teetotal leaders is not that encouraging:


    Donald Trump
    Ayatollah Khomeini
    George Dubya Bush
    Sadiq Khan
    The Taliban guy
    Joe Biden
    Genghis Khan
    Adolf Hitler


    Lesson, always elect a leader that like a drink, at least occasionally


    Didn't Mr Genghiz like fermented mare's milk?
  • Suspect Putin did not expect an apparently weakened US President to so clearly signal support for Ukraine and Europe in general, bringing together such a cast list. Easy mistake to make, suspect few people did. A reminder that such unity is still possible.

    https://twitter.com/davidheniguk/status/1485670423765438475?s=21

    Noticeably avoids mentioning Boris who is included in this discussion
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:


    Scott_xP said:

    Dominic Cummings is not meeting Sue Gray Instead all communication is in writing He sets out why in full in his blog but in essence he claims the PM would invent 'nonsense and spin it to the media' if they spoke so she agreed to his suggestion 'to keep everything in writing'
    https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1485594923273535491
    https://twitter.com/dominic2306/status/1485592208657063938

    OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

    Bad bad move. You always interview. Always. And if someone doesn't want to be interviewed in something they claim to be as important as this you view what they tell you with a hugely sceptical eye.

    He can't be forced to an interview. But the consequences of him refusing to do so for the investigation should be spelt out.

    Frankly I'd be inclined to discount very clearly in the report - in the executive summary - anything he says unless it is clearly corroborated elsewhere by reliable evidence. I would also list out all the unanswered questions and issues I was not able to address as a result of this witness being unwilling to be interviewed.
    Please Cyclefree, that is unladylike. remember the adage:


    Men should only weep in war, women should only swear in bed
    Fuck off you patronising man!
    If you think that was bad, you should see what the disgusting letch was writing - under his own name - a decade ago. Pure, unadulterated filth.
    I thought Mary Whitehouse died a few decades ago. Odd to think her spirit lives on in Sweden, of all places...
    She was the lady who wrote that comedy sketch show in the early ‘90s, wasn’t she? A teenage me thought it was rather lovely. Milky milky.
    Someone I knew at uni offered me a free ticket to see the MWE on tour back around 1992. I didn't go.

    One of my life regrets, given how they split up soon afterwards.

    Interestingly, I see an alternative title for the show was the 'William Rees-Mogg Experience'.

    Shows how long that awful family has been a prominent feature of our society.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    One of the leaders on my list of “famous teetotal leaders” is a fake. Put it in to make sure you are all reading
  • Applicant said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    ..yea and that Muslim stuff, like being teetotal. Makes people feel, well, you know, uncomfortable?
    And it wasn't teetotaller Khan who banned having a tinnie on the tube either.
    Possibly the best thing Boris did as Mayor. Sure, plenty of people now ignore it - but it improved the tube massively overnight.
    Did it? I never noticed a booze problem on the tube (Christmas excepted, perhaps) but perhaps it depended which line you took.
    One of the best things Boris did as Mayor was to get rid of the 'Winterval' nonsense. Apparently he went apeshit when he was shown the Mayor's official card with the wokish substitute for Christmas on it.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Roger said:

    The Russia Ukraine crisis is now leading the media and increasingly so

    1) The Sue Gray report is presented to the HOC by Boris and lots of sounds of fury but his mps fail to send in the letters.
    Boris stands firm against Russia, Rishi announces the suspension of the NI rise, abolishes vat on energy and implements a generous grant scheme to all standard rate taxpayer households, Gove announces the levelling up schemes and Boris carries on praying for some respite in May

    Or

    2) He is gone by the end of the week

    If I was betting on that I think 1 is favourite


    Apart frrom "Tory Minister resigns in Covid fraud". which happens to be leading the news but I am surprised. This sort of thing is so commonplace with this government It's odd that they bother to report it
    I have no idea which news you are watching but it is Russia Ukraine and right now a live NATO conference
    It did briefly flash up on the BBC website.

    The entire bounce back loans debarcle was entirely known about and could be seen coming down the line a year ago. I regularly frequent AccountingWeb/AnyAnswers forum (a riviting read for accountants and non-accountants alike.... okay, I jest; its as dry as anything) and every accountant on there was reporting that they felt for sure they had to file SARs (Suspicious Activity Reports, rather than Subject Access Requests) for a good number of their clients who'd taken the maximum bounceback loan of £50k, whizzed it up the wall on a new motor for themselves then filed DS01 a week later to strike their company off.

    I doubt even half of bounceback loans will ever be repaid.
    Agnew's account of his struggles to get it taken seriously are damning.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/jan/24/uk-politics-boris-johnson-conservatives-labour-nusrat-ghani
    ...The oversight by both BEIS [the Department for Business, Enterprise and Industry Strategy] and the British Business Bank of the panel lenders of BBLs has been nothing less than woeful. They have been assisted by the Treasury, who appear to have no knowledge or little interest in the consequences of fraud to our economy or our society... etc.

    The fact that he's (apparently) close to Gove and Truss might account for the timing of this, but he does seem to have resigned for good reason, out of sheer frustration with the government.
    I suspect this might be Rishi dished.
    ...Agnew said, at the start of the pandemic, BEIS had just two counter-fraud officials on its staff, neither of whom were experienced in this area. They refused to enagage with the counter-fraud team at the Cabinet Office reporting to Agnew, Agnrew said.

    Schoolboy errors were made, for example allowing over a thousand companies to receive bounceback loans that were not even trading when Covid struck ...

    I’ve been arguing with Treasury and Bay’s officials for nearly two years to get them to lift their game. I’ve been mostly unsuccessful.

    Agnew said he was particulary worried about how banks had been able to claim back 100% of some Covid loans that were written off. He said three out of the seven main lenders were responsible for 87% of the loans paid out to firms that are now dissolved. And two of the seven lenders were responsible for 81% of loans to firms set up after the pandemic started, he said.

    Agnew said, if only the British Business Bank would “wake up”, there was still time to take action on duplicate loans paid out. He went on:

    Despite pressing BEIS and BBB for over a year, there is still no single dashboard of management data to scrutinise lender performance. It is inexcusable.

    We’ve already paid out nearly £1bn pounds to banks claiming the state guarantee . The percentage of these losses estimated to be from fraud rather than credit failure is 26%. I accept this as only an earlier approximation but a very worrying one.

    Agnew said he had at least four differences of opinion with Treasury officials on what the government shoud be doing.

    He said there was a failure by Treasury and BEIS officials to understand the “complete disjunction” between the amount of criminal activity in this area, probably hundreds of thousands of cases, and the capacity of the enforcement agencies trying to stop it. For example, Natis, the National Investigation Service, can handle just 200 cases a year, he said....
    BEIS is Kwasi iirc. Where does he stand on the succession? Agnew's line that stands out is "no single dashboard" which sounds very Cummingsesque.
    Hang on - if he was in charge of this area why didn't he have enough power and resources to generate the reports he needed... I find it a bit strange that he couldn't grab someone for a week or so and generate something...
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    edited January 2022
    Sky confirm Biden is considering sending several thousand troops to Eastern Europe though not Ukraine at the moment

    Also confirmed the UK is on the front foot in supporting the Ukraine
  • Age related data

    image

    I see that there is an up tick in the 5-9 and 10-14 age range. Schools are back.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    EU foreign policy chief @JosepBorrellF suggests US & UK withdrawal of staff from Ukraine was unnecessary

    “Having listened to Sec Blinken, I don’t think there's a need for us to do any kind of precautionary measure from point of view of our staff & their permanence in Ukraine"


    https://twitter.com/beaking_news/status/1485670364172759046?s=21
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    And YES, you’re right. It’s Ayatollah Khomeini!


    Little known fact: he was a connoisseur of Rhône blends, vintage Malmsey and new Balkan whites, was an early enthusiast for English fizz, and kept an exceptional cellar in Qom
  • If Boris Johnson can conjure up the Spirit of Winston Churchill in his (or rather their) darkest hour(s), to deploy the flash points of the Russia - Ukraine crisis in diverting Parliament and the Great British Public from the fleshpots of Westminster Village & Downing Street Wine Garden, would be both apt & ironic.

    Apt because in May 1940 in the Norway debate, Churchill won the admiration and support of the House of Commons (nearly all of the opposition, and nearly half of Tories & other "National" MPs.

    All while DEFENDING Chamberlain & the government re: Norway debacle - which he as First Lord of the Admiralty had direct ministerial responsibility.

    Ironic of course because the MPs who trooped through the division lobby "against" Churchill that fateful night (plus Tories who abstained on purpose in support of parliamentary VONC versus Chamberlain govt, were more than willing to overlook WSC's role in the immediate crisis.

    Why? Because they believed he was THE man for the job at that time of extreme peril - that Winston Churchill as Prime Minster was the best thing, not for party or preferment, but (dare I say) for God and country.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368

    Jonathan said:

    Biden calling UVDL, Macron, German and Italy leaders tonight over Russia threat to Ukraine

    And for the avoidance of doubt Boris will also be in the call

    I expect in the next couple of days Boris to stand at the dispatch box all Churchillian and the the letters will melt away

    Is he a lucky general so to speak

    Will you melt?
    Not me but I do expect this story could have a big influence over conservative mps
    They will disgrace themselves if they do so, Johnson doesn't deserve his political survival, for what he has overseen.

    We also need a grown up to manage the Russian crisis. Johnson spitting out hard man sound bites to get a vote here and there is not Churchillian statesmanship.
    Politics hey
    What has happened to your support for Sunak? One of the grown-ups I had in mind. You've gone full Johnson fanboi tonight. Now is not the time for a clown, particularly one who is deluded enough to think he is Churchill.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    It seems like the longer Russia wait, the more support flows to Ukraine. At this time I'm not sure it would make a substantive difference, but it sort of begs the question of whether the Russians are really here for the show as much as anything.

    I've been struggling to understand why people have been telegraphing Russia invading Ukraine at the end of January since about, approximately, mid-November? If you're seriously planning to invade a country don't you want some sort of element of surprise?

    Maybe I'm grasping at straws out of hope here but...
  • Jonathan said:

    Biden calling UVDL, Macron, German and Italy leaders tonight over Russia threat to Ukraine

    And for the avoidance of doubt Boris will also be in the call

    I expect in the next couple of days Boris to stand at the dispatch box all Churchillian and the the letters will melt away

    Is he a lucky general so to speak

    Will you melt?
    Not me but I do expect this story could have a big influence over conservative mps
    They will disgrace themselves if they do so, Johnson doesn't deserve his political survival, for what he has overseen.

    We also need a grown up to manage the Russian crisis. Johnson spitting out hard man sound bites to get a vote here and there is not Churchillian statesmanship.
    Politics hey
    What has happened to your support for Sunak? One of the grown-ups I had in mind. You've gone full Johnson fanboi tonight. Now is not the time for a clown, particularly one who is deluded enough to think he is Churchill.
    Nonsense
    .
    I have not wavered from Rishi but can see a scenario playing out where Boris may survive for now
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,277
    Leon said:

    The list of famous teetotal leaders is not that encouraging:


    Donald Trump
    Ayatollah Khomeini
    George Dubya Bush
    Sadiq Khan
    The Taliban guy
    Joe Biden
    Genghis Khan
    Adolf Hitler


    Lesson, always elect a leader that like a drink, at least occasionally


    Dubya was a drunk but dried out in the 80s for be fair ;)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582
    Ooh, sounds like Brandon woke up. US troops on their way to Eastern Europe, but not Ukraine yet. US “Rivet Joint” intelligence-gathering planes are flying in Ukraine though, close to the Russian border trying to work out what’s going on.
  • kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:


    Scott_xP said:

    Dominic Cummings is not meeting Sue Gray Instead all communication is in writing He sets out why in full in his blog but in essence he claims the PM would invent 'nonsense and spin it to the media' if they spoke so she agreed to his suggestion 'to keep everything in writing'
    https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/status/1485594923273535491
    https://twitter.com/dominic2306/status/1485592208657063938

    OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

    Bad bad move. You always interview. Always. And if someone doesn't want to be interviewed in something they claim to be as important as this you view what they tell you with a hugely sceptical eye.

    He can't be forced to an interview. But the consequences of him refusing to do so for the investigation should be spelt out.

    Frankly I'd be inclined to discount very clearly in the report - in the executive summary - anything he says unless it is clearly corroborated elsewhere by reliable evidence. I would also list out all the unanswered questions and issues I was not able to address as a result of this witness being unwilling to be interviewed.
    Please Cyclefree, that is unladylike. remember the adage:


    Men should only weep in war, women should only swear in bed
    Fuck off you patronising man!
    If you think that was bad, you should see what the disgusting letch was writing - under his own name - a decade ago. Pure, unadulterated filth.
    I thought Mary Whitehouse died a few decades ago. Odd to think her spirit lives on in Sweden, of all places...
    She was the lady who wrote that comedy sketch show in the early ‘90s, wasn’t she? A teenage me thought it was rather lovely. Milky milky.
    She had Channel 4 put red blobs on the screen at the start of any films with rude bits from the mid-1980s as I recall. Very helpful to my housemates and myself when deciding what to watch on TV of a Friday evening. If in doubt we picked the ones with the red blobs.

    She was always going on about the National Viewers' and Listeners' Alliance (?) but when one asked how many members it had apart from her husband to back her in this moral crusade, she would never answer, or am I being unfair?

    She represented views which had been moderately mainstream 25 years previously but which by the 80s seemed antediluvian. She frequently referred to Christianity in a way which seemed archaic at the time but in her mind I am sure Christianity still seemed a mainstream position.
    She was not a monster. Dominic Sandbrook writes interestingly about her in his 20th century history series.
    The advantage of Mary Whitehouse was that she kept broadcasters aware of excessive violence, whish is unfortunately now all too trendy, very rarely challenged, and an easy route to ratings. The disadvantage was her ridiculous views on sexuality in mainstream broadcasting.
    Yes, for a while it seemed like every new crime drama would kick off with a young woman being brutally murdered. I got sick of it and went on strike. Seemed to work because there's a bit more diversity now. You get plenty of men and children also being brutally murdered.
    The Dennis Nilsen documentary starts tonight on BBC2. He was the serial killer caught by Dynorod iirc, in another non-triumph for the constabulary. (David Tennant was excellent as Nilsen in Des.)
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    More new No. 10 party news klaxon
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    GIN1138 said:

    Leon said:

    The list of famous teetotal leaders is not that encouraging:


    Donald Trump
    Ayatollah Khomeini
    George Dubya Bush
    Sadiq Khan
    The Taliban guy
    Joe Biden
    Genghis Khan
    Adolf Hitler


    Lesson, always elect a leader that like a drink, at least occasionally


    Dubya was a drunk but dried out in the 80s for be fair ;)
    I have the horrible feeling that if he’d carried on drinking, he’d have been happier and more relaxed and probably would not have invaded Iraq. He’d have thought Fuck it, gimme a beer

    Quite seriously. Of such tiny personality changes great history is sometimes made
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,277

    eek said:

    Somewhere a SPAD is having a good day

    https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/1485649813379362816

    Nadine Dorries
    @NadineDorries
    Whether it’s a major music festival, sporting event or concert, it's important that people pay a fair price to see the events they love. Please remain vigilant when considering to buy from ticket touts. Guidance is available if you are unsure: http://fanfairalliance.org/faqs/

    image

    Nadine must be shitting herself about Johnson getting ousted. No-one but The Clown would put such a numpty in a government job. Anyone know what her majority is? I'd be tempted to go and canvass for any party that has a chance of dislodging her.
    24K. Queen Nadine is going nowhere! :D
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,582

    It seems like the longer Russia wait, the more support flows to Ukraine. At this time I'm not sure it would make a substantive difference, but it sort of begs the question of whether the Russians are really here for the show as much as anything.

    I've been struggling to understand why people have been telegraphing Russia invading Ukraine at the end of January since about, approximately, mid-November? If you're seriously planning to invade a country don't you want some sort of element of surprise?

    Maybe I'm grasping at straws out of hope here but...

    He’s not got long, 4-6 weeks before the annual ‘thaw’ that makes the border region somewhat difficult to get tanks across. The international supplies heading for Ukraine are only going to get bigger.

    Fingers crossed they all keep talking, and eventually everyone stands down for the summer.
  • More new No. 10 party news klaxon

    Such as ?
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    Paul Brand
    @PaulBrandITV
    ·
    2m
    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson had a birthday party during lockdown in June 2020 despite rules forbidding social gatherings indoors, ITV News has learnt.

    Up to 30 staff celebrated in the cabinet room where Carrie Johnson surprised him with a cake, we're told.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 12,986

    It seems like the longer Russia wait, the more support flows to Ukraine. At this time I'm not sure it would make a substantive difference, but it sort of begs the question of whether the Russians are really here for the show as much as anything.

    I've been struggling to understand why people have been telegraphing Russia invading Ukraine at the end of January since about, approximately, mid-November? If you're seriously planning to invade a country don't you want some sort of element of surprise?

    Maybe I'm grasping at straws out of hope here but...

    That's what I've wondered too. It's not his usual pattern, which has tended to involve rather a lot of surprise. So what does that mean?

    - That they're bluffing
    - That this is a feint, and they're about to do something unexpected
    - That they have blundered?
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,133
    edited January 2022
    eek said:


    Paul Brand
    @PaulBrandITV
    ·
    2m
    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson had a birthday party during lockdown in June 2020 despite rules forbidding social gatherings indoors, ITV News has learnt.

    Up to 30 staff celebrated in the cabinet room where Carrie Johnson surprised him with a cake, we're told.

    It was a work birthday do, obviously.

    Cummings is raiding the library again. He knows the story will always stall without new revelations, particularly now Russia is moving towards the agenda.

    Bad poll for his project ? No problem, here's his solution an hour afterward, and hey presto, the first revelation in several days.
  • I've finally decided what my soubriquet for our PM is. The "Fat Owl of the Remove". Here's a description of the character from Wikipedia.

    "On many levels, Bunter's character is deeply unattractive. He is the living embodiment of several of the seven deadly sins: pride, envy, avarice, sloth and, most especially, greed and gluttony.[6] Added to these, Bunter is also nosy, deceitful and obtuse. However these traits are softened by Bunter's cheery optimism, his comically transparent untruthfulness and his reliable ineptitude when attempting to conceal his antics from his schoolfellows and schoolmasters."
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633
    Applicant said:

    Meanwhile, in "ursine toilet habit" news, Watford have sacked another manager.

    It was noticeable that at our FA Cup match it was the Leicester fans singing his name.

    He is a good manager to take over a club that has all the elements, but not clicking, completely wrong for a club on the slide or a relegation battle. Despite how it ended he will always get a good reception in Leicester.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    eek said:


    Paul Brand
    @PaulBrandITV
    ·
    2m
    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson had a birthday party during lockdown in June 2020 despite rules forbidding social gatherings indoors, ITV News has learnt.

    Up to 30 staff celebrated in the cabinet room where Carrie Johnson surprised him with a cake, we're told.

    Should add even Zerohedge are going with this photo alongside the story

    image
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    America’s last three drunk presidents:

    George Bush Senior
    Bill Clinton
    Barack Obama

    America’s last three sober presidents:

    Dubya Bush
    Donald Trump
    Joe Biden



    FFS make sure they like a glass

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    eek said:


    Paul Brand
    @PaulBrandITV
    ·
    2m
    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson had a birthday party during lockdown in June 2020 despite rules forbidding social gatherings indoors, ITV News has learnt.

    Up to 30 staff celebrated in the cabinet room where Carrie Johnson surprised him with a cake, we're told.

    Why the heck would he not have come clean with that if that is true? It was bound to come up.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited January 2022
    Not sure I’d call 34 vs 33 “a lead”

    Johnson vs. Starmer (24 Jan):

    Johnson leads in:
    Knows how to get things done (34% to 33%)

    Johnson and Starmer are tied in:
    Stands up for the UK's interests (35% to 35%)

    Starmer leads in all other leadership characteristics on which we poll.

    https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-gb-voting-intention-24-january-2022/


    https://twitter.com/RedfieldWilton/status/1485676284768395266?s=20
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368

    eek said:


    Paul Brand
    @PaulBrandITV
    ·
    2m
    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson had a birthday party during lockdown in June 2020 despite rules forbidding social gatherings indoors, ITV News has learnt.

    Up to 30 staff celebrated in the cabinet room where Carrie Johnson surprised him with a cake, we're told.

    It was a work birthday do, obviously.

    Cummings is raiding the drawers.
    https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1485677111058833413

    Paul Brand
    @PaulBrandITV
    ·
    5m
    ITV News has learnt that Lulu Lytle - who was redecorating the Prime Minister's flat at the time - also came down to the party.

    It lasted for 20-30 mins we're told, Later that night ITV News understands family friends also celebrated upstairs in the PM's flat.

    So it's not a works party if someone from elsewhere is there.


    Paul Brand
    @PaulBrandITV
    The week before the party, the PM told us all: "meeting inside other people's homes - that remains against the law".

    The Queen had rearranged her birthday, as had millions more. For some, it would be their last.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    TimS said:

    It seems like the longer Russia wait, the more support flows to Ukraine. At this time I'm not sure it would make a substantive difference, but it sort of begs the question of whether the Russians are really here for the show as much as anything.

    I've been struggling to understand why people have been telegraphing Russia invading Ukraine at the end of January since about, approximately, mid-November? If you're seriously planning to invade a country don't you want some sort of element of surprise?

    Maybe I'm grasping at straws out of hope here but...

    That's what I've wondered too. It's not his usual pattern, which has tended to involve rather a lot of surprise. So what does that mean?

    - That they're bluffing
    - That this is a feint, and they're about to do something unexpected
    - That they have blundered?
    You surely don't muster so many troops without some goal in mind, but if it is a threat what does he think can be achieved without blood being shed, and if it were a distraction what could possibly slip by that would be worth such a furore?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    No 10 admits birthday party on June 19, 2020.

    “A group of staff working in No 10 that day gathered briefly in the Cabinet Room after a meeting to wish PM a happy birthday. He was there for less than 10 minutes.”

    Yet interior designer Lulu Lytle - not No 10 staff - was invited.

    https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1485678846007463945
  • eekeek Posts: 28,368
    kle4 said:

    eek said:


    Paul Brand
    @PaulBrandITV
    ·
    2m
    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson had a birthday party during lockdown in June 2020 despite rules forbidding social gatherings indoors, ITV News has learnt.

    Up to 30 staff celebrated in the cabinet room where Carrie Johnson surprised him with a cake, we're told.

    Why the heck would he not have come clean with that if that is true? It was bound to come up.
    What is curious is why is this being revealed now and not after the Gray report came out?

    I guess there most be another (worse) story ready to go for when the Gray report actually arrives
  • kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    ..yea and that Muslim stuff, like being teetotal. Makes people feel, well, you know, uncomfortable?
    Rishi is teetotal and not Muslim, I know plenty of Muslims who aren't teetotal. Small minded, teetotaller puritans come in all shapes and sizes, someone I worked previously with fit that category and was an older English man, I also know a fair number of Americans who fit that category too!
    Yea, but when you attack someone who is a Muslim and is teetotal it is a bit, well perhaps, suspect? A bit like attacking someone for not being one of the lads and enjoying a bacon sandwich when they are Jewish.
    I think being teetotal is a bit too common a thing to lead to suspicion it is used as a codeword without something else to back it up - like Goldsmith's attempts to portray Khan as friendly to extremist.
    Generational. Over 50 and being teetotal is a bit "suspicious" to many. Under 35s will find it bizarre to think of being teetotal as derogatory. Leon showing his age catching up with him......
  • ClippPClippP Posts: 1,904

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    LOL. Most of Johnson's "big stuff" in London came to nothing and simply wasted everyone's time and lots of our money.
    One of the interesting thing about the fixed-term limits to the mayoralty (London, in this case), is that it shows how little power a mayor has to change things in their period in power.

    Take the Olympics. Delivered under Johnson, but got under Livingstone. Who takes most of the credit for its success? Johnson, obviously, but much of the groundwork (literally) was under his predecessor.

    Eight years, and particularly four years, is little time to change things for the better as most impactful projects take much longer to come to fruition. All a mayor can do is influence the direction of policy travel.
    That... and work for re-election.....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    ..yea and that Muslim stuff, like being teetotal. Makes people feel, well, you know, uncomfortable?
    Rishi is teetotal and not Muslim, I know plenty of Muslims who aren't teetotal. Small minded, teetotaller puritans come in all shapes and sizes, someone I worked previously with fit that category and was an older English man, I also know a fair number of Americans who fit that category too!
    Yea, but when you attack someone who is a Muslim and is teetotal it is a bit, well perhaps, suspect? A bit like attacking someone for not being one of the lads and enjoying a bacon sandwich when they are Jewish.
    I think being teetotal is a bit too common a thing to lead to suspicion it is used as a codeword without something else to back it up - like Goldsmith's attempts to portray Khan as friendly to extremist.
    Generational. Over 50 and being teetotal is a bit "suspicious" to many. Under 35s will find it bizarre to think of being teetotal as derogatory. Leon showing his age catching up with him......
    Oh I entirely admit that. The sobriety of Millennials and Gen Z is a constant disappointment, likewise their lower IQs, their inability to have sex, inability to breed, inability to defend Free Speech, their inability to make good music, and so on, ad nauseam

    They are utterly useless. Cowardly and drug-free. They probably all WANT to live in Xi’s China

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,175
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/60114236.amp

    The number of positive Covid-19 cases in the Premier League has fallen for the fourth week in a row.

    In the seven days up to and including Sunday 23 January, there were 16 new positive cases among players and staff, from 6,221 tests.

    It is the lowest number of positives in a week since 5 December.


    Probably a good indication of wider infection rates.
  • eek said:


    Paul Brand
    @PaulBrandITV
    ·
    2m
    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson had a birthday party during lockdown in June 2020 despite rules forbidding social gatherings indoors, ITV News has learnt.

    Up to 30 staff celebrated in the cabinet room where Carrie Johnson surprised him with a cake, we're told.

    It was a work birthday do, obviously.

    Cummings is raiding the library again. He knows the story will always stall without new revelations, particularly now Russia is moving towards the agenda.

    Bad poll for his project ? No problem, here's his solution an hour afterward, and hey presto, the first revelation in several days.
    We don't know it's Dom. Well, it could be someone else. Theoretically.

    For all I wish he had never entered public life, and had maxed out at having a chain of disappointing nightclubs in the North East, one can't help admire the relentlessness of the plan. It's like a python toying with a dazed hamster. Every time little Hammie thinks he's wriggled free...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,633
    eek said:

    kle4 said:

    eek said:


    Paul Brand
    @PaulBrandITV
    ·
    2m
    EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson had a birthday party during lockdown in June 2020 despite rules forbidding social gatherings indoors, ITV News has learnt.

    Up to 30 staff celebrated in the cabinet room where Carrie Johnson surprised him with a cake, we're told.

    Why the heck would he not have come clean with that if that is true? It was bound to come up.
    What is curious is why is this being revealed now and not after the Gray report came out?

    I guess there most be another (worse) story ready to go for when the Gray report actually arrives
    Anyone think there was no wedding reception?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188

    Jonathan said:

    Biden calling UVDL, Macron, German and Italy leaders tonight over Russia threat to Ukraine

    And for the avoidance of doubt Boris will also be in the call

    I expect in the next couple of days Boris to stand at the dispatch box all Churchillian and the the letters will melt away

    Is he a lucky general so to speak

    Will you melt?
    Not me but I do expect this story could have a big influence over conservative mps
    Are you actually serious ??
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    ..yea and that Muslim stuff, like being teetotal. Makes people feel, well, you know, uncomfortable?
    Rishi is teetotal and not Muslim, I know plenty of Muslims who aren't teetotal. Small minded, teetotaller puritans come in all shapes and sizes, someone I worked previously with fit that category and was an older English man, I also know a fair number of Americans who fit that category too!
    Yea, but when you attack someone who is a Muslim and is teetotal it is a bit, well perhaps, suspect? A bit like attacking someone for not being one of the lads and enjoying a bacon sandwich when they are Jewish.
    I think being teetotal is a bit too common a thing to lead to suspicion it is used as a codeword without something else to back it up - like Goldsmith's attempts to portray Khan as friendly to extremist.
    Generational. Over 50 and being teetotal is a bit "suspicious" to many. Under 35s will find it bizarre to think of being teetotal as derogatory. Leon showing his age catching up with him......
    Oh I entirely admit that. The sobriety of Millennials and Gen Z is a constant disappointment, likewise their lower IQs, their inability to have sex, inability to breed, inability to defend Free Speech, their inability to make good music, and so on, ad nauseam

    Hey now, I defend free speech.

    No other notes from me.
  • Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Stocky said:

    I'm sure this has already been posted:

    "People arriving in England from abroad will no longer have to take Covid tests if they are fully vaccinated, the government has confirmed.

    The changes will be introduced from 4am on 11 February "in time for the half term break", said Transport Secretary Grant Shapps."

    It’s excellent news for central London, which NEEDS those tourists back
    What we really need is a Mayor who can let go of the pandemic as well though. Sadiq seems singularly determined to remind everyone about it and advertise to the world that London is a plague city despite the fact that it isn't really. Lots of media and assorted lefties also need to stop talking the nation down internationally or making bogus comparisons and using idiotic terms like "plague island". It's really dented the confidence of some Europeans from coming to the UK. The conversation I had with my Italian colleague still rings in my ears, loads of them really do believe that people were dying in the streets of London unable to get healthcare, that hasn't been helped by the blue ticks on twitter trying to pretend it is.

    I also think we need to wind down the daily COVID dashboard as well, maybe by the end of March. Two years seems fair.
    Perhaps Boris can resign and become Mayor of London again. I would happily vote for him. It was probably his ideal job

    I mean, he was necessary to win the Brexit referendum and probably the only guy/girl who could have won that majority to force Brett through, but now that’s done, he seems done. Mission Accomplished. What is his ambition now?

    If Boris goes back to being Mayor then Sadiq can move to his ideal job which is probably film censor in Rabat
    Oh man, I'd take Boris back in an instant. The job of the Mayor is to advertise London on a global scale, whether that's to tech startups, to financial services companies, tourists or top global chefs looking for new restaurant sites. Sadiq is completely incapable of doing any of this. The running of the city happens automatically anyway, it really was the perfect job for Boris.
    Yup


    Basically, to “run” - or rather promote - a big young global partying vibrant have-fun-and-make-money please-come-here world city like London, you need to be a hedonist. Literally. Boris and Ken were both that, in very different ways

    Sadiq is a small minded teetotaller puritan. He’s got the exactly wrong skill set for the job, which is one reason, I think, he is so bad at it. He doesn’t like it. Doesn’t sit well

    OTOH I have friends in Tooting who say Khan was an excellent constituency MP. Diligent and caring. Good at the small stuff. He should go back to the small stuff, where he’d probably be happier - and get more things done
    ..yea and that Muslim stuff, like being teetotal. Makes people feel, well, you know, uncomfortable?
    Rishi is teetotal and not Muslim, I know plenty of Muslims who aren't teetotal. Small minded, teetotaller puritans come in all shapes and sizes, someone I worked previously with fit that category and was an older English man, I also know a fair number of Americans who fit that category too!
    Yea, but when you attack someone who is a Muslim and is teetotal it is a bit, well perhaps, suspect? A bit like attacking someone for not being one of the lads and enjoying a bacon sandwich when they are Jewish.
    I think being teetotal is a bit too common a thing to lead to suspicion it is used as a codeword without something else to back it up - like Goldsmith's attempts to portray Khan as friendly to extremist.
    Generational. Over 50 and being teetotal is a bit "suspicious" to many. Under 35s will find it bizarre to think of being teetotal as derogatory. Leon showing his age catching up with him......
    Oh I entirely admit that. The sobriety of Millennials and Gen Z is a constant disappointment, likewise their lower IQs, their inability to have sex, inability to breed, inability to defend Free Speech, their inability to make good music, and so on, ad nauseam

    They are utterly useless. Cowardly and drug-free. They probably all WANT to live in Xi’s China

    It is your Tory Brexiteer nationalist friends removing our rights to protest and free speech. And I like a bit of Dua Lipa.
  • Sky confirm Biden is considering sending several thousand troops to Eastern Europe though not Ukraine at the moment

    Also confirmed the UK is on the front foot in supporting the Ukraine

    "The official Ukrainian position is that the usage of "'the Ukraine' is incorrect both grammatically and politically.""

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine#Etymology_and_orthography

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