Beth Rigby @BethRigby · 16m And this from a 2019-er on whether that plot to oust PM has dissipated or is merely on hold: “It's all planned out and a question of when. We don't want the new leader to take a hit at the local elections [in May]. So we may well wait unless the Sue Gray report really hits."
Entirely possible. Many of them have got used to living on a MP's salary.
The issue for Labour, though, would be if a new Tory leader came in and then the ratings started to recover. Not hard to imagine those MPs deciding to shift back.
Has anyone ever crossed the floor twice (as in, crossed and crossed back) in a single Parliament? Did one of the CUKs do it?
Paul Marsden (MP for Shrewsbury and Atcham) left Labour for the LDs in 2001 but returned in 2005 prior to not restanding.
Yes, he returned replete with stories about Charles Kennedy's drinking as I recall.
Are you strong on the civil war period of History Dr Y? Was Cromwell a Freemason? Part 2.
I havn’t much to go on. But my brother is obsessed with Templars. He says Cromwell was a Freemason 🤷♀️
It’s to do with those who love magnacarta. The night King John signed it he stayed with knight Templar. And at that time they wrote all the laws?
I know very little about the Civil War era (it's never been something I found interesting)
Where's a damn dislike button when you need one?
The only decent sex maniac among the whole lot of the Stuarts was Charles II.
His Scottish genes.
Didn't seem to work for his father and to a rather lesser extent his grandfather or brother.
I thought his brother also had mistresses. But he felt so guilty, he made sure they were all unattractive.
Like I said, the only *decent* sex maniac was Charles II.
Do you mean, out of only the ones in Whitehall? There were plenty in Scotland before them. And of course in France and Italy after, but I've never been interested in the Malignants enough to sniff their sheets so to speak. Though Chas II and Jas VII/II had some interesting nautical interests and Chas II in science.
Jamie Saxt liked a well turned out male leg. His strictures against sodomy are somewhat reminiscent of Southern US tv evangelists who recommend dancing away the gay..
Bit hard on the women. Especially the ones who got done for witchcraft. North Berwick has never been livelier.
Seriously: the dissonance between a douce family resort/commuterland and what happened then is astounding.
A logical one, though. When vaccines didn't exist it NPIs were necessary. Now that we have freely available vaccines that give us a huge reduction in severity the need for NPIs has disappeared. A lot of people on PB have the same view, I'm very much in that camp, I recognise that lockdowns and other measures were necessary at varying degrees until around May/June 2021. Since then we haven't needed them and we won't need them in the future.
There's no future where we eradicate COVID so why spend GDP to try and do that?
Entirely possible. Many of them have got used to living on a MP's salary.
The issue for Labour, though, would be if a new Tory leader came in and then the ratings started to recover. Not hard to imagine those MPs deciding to shift back.
Anyone can rat, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat.
Beth Rigby @BethRigby · 16m And this from a 2019-er on whether that plot to oust PM has dissipated or is merely on hold: “It's all planned out and a question of when. We don't want the new leader to take a hit at the local elections [in May]. So we may well wait unless the Sue Gray report really hits."
And that's the Conservative Party's problem. It's not the Westminster leadership who will take the hit in May, it's the Poor Bloody Infantry on local councils who will.
Meanwhile, I stick to my theory that when Boris's hair goes, he goes. Baldy Boris latest;
Beth Rigby @BethRigby · 16m And this from a 2019-er on whether that plot to oust PM has dissipated or is merely on hold: “It's all planned out and a question of when. We don't want the new leader to take a hit at the local elections [in May]. So we may well wait unless the Sue Gray report really hits."
I hope that Philip Davies isn't about to cross the floor.
I don't think I could cope with having to vote for him at the next election!
Tbf, I could vote for Simon Hoare if he crossed the floor (not that he ever would). He's not a bad guy at heart and a good constituency MP by all accounts.
Of course if he wants to keep his job in this constituency, crossing the floor is the last thing he should do.
Beth Rigby @BethRigby · 16m And this from a 2019-er on whether that plot to oust PM has dissipated or is merely on hold: “It's all planned out and a question of when. We don't want the new leader to take a hit at the local elections [in May]. So we may well wait unless the Sue Gray report really hits."
But Mousie, thou art no thy-lane, In proving foresight may be vain: The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men Gang aft agley, An’ lea’e us nought but grief an’ pain, For promis’d joy!
Beth Rigby @BethRigby · 16m And this from a 2019-er on whether that plot to oust PM has dissipated or is merely on hold: “It's all planned out and a question of when. We don't want the new leader to take a hit at the local elections [in May]. So we may well wait unless the Sue Gray report really hits."
Translation: We don't want to move and will present our lack of action as part of a genius plan rather than indecisiveness.
Waiting to let the current leader take the hit is along the same lines as 'good election to lose' or 'we'd rather the PM remain in place' - yes, it might technically make some sense, but since you cannot predict the future perfectly, you'd always prefer to remove a bad leader sooner if you can, you'd prefer to win an election and hope you overcome bad stuff than lose one, and you'd prefer the glory of taking down/seeing off a PM than worry about the possibility a replacement might do better.
You take a win if you can. If you don't even try for it, you don't really want it.
I hope that Philip Davies isn't about to cross the floor.
I don't think I could cope with having to vote for him at the next election!
Tbf, I could vote for Simon Hoare if he crossed the floor (not that he ever would). He's not a bad guy at heart and a good constituency MP by all accounts.
Of course if he wants to keep his job in this constituency, crossing the floor is the last thing he should do.
Beth Rigby @BethRigby · 16m And this from a 2019-er on whether that plot to oust PM has dissipated or is merely on hold: “It's all planned out and a question of when. We don't want the new leader to take a hit at the local elections [in May]. So we may well wait unless the Sue Gray report really hits."
Beth Rigby @BethRigby · 16m And this from a 2019-er on whether that plot to oust PM has dissipated or is merely on hold: “It's all planned out and a question of when. We don't want the new leader to take a hit at the local elections [in May]. So we may well wait unless the Sue Gray report really hits."
Hmm. Doesn't sound too convincing to me. They might be weaker in May, and the PM may be stronger, for any old reason, and despite the odds, with the cost-of-living crisis. It's an apt case for the over-used cliche events, dear boy, events.
I don't think anyone on PB has actually read and understood what Sridhar has been arguing over the least 2 years now or followed her thinking. This is completely expected. The idea this is a u-turn by her is so out there that I assume Melville hasn't either.
Bit unfair on Devi. She was never one of the worst and has been on a journey throughout. Pagel on the other hand is still essentially calling for restrictions forever. Her followers are the biggest set of bedwetters you will ever see. They will be wearing masks forever. They are now suggesting that we all need respirators, not just masks. They have truly jumped the shark.
Are you strong on the civil war period of History Dr Y? Was Cromwell a Freemason? Part 2.
I havn’t much to go on. But my brother is obsessed with Templars. He says Cromwell was a Freemason 🤷♀️
It’s to do with those who love magnacarta. The night King John signed it he stayed with knight Templar. And at that time they wrote all the laws?
I know very little about the Civil War era (it's never been something I found interesting)
Where's a damn dislike button when you need one?
The only decent sex maniac among the whole lot of the Stuarts was Charles II.
His Scottish genes.
Didn't seem to work for his father and to a rather lesser extent his grandfather or brother.
I thought his brother also had mistresses. But he felt so guilty, he made sure they were all unattractive.
Like I said, the only *decent* sex maniac was Charles II.
Do you mean, out of only the ones in Whitehall? There were plenty in Scotland before them. And of course in France and Italy after, but I've never been interested in the Malignants enough to sniff their sheets so to speak. Though Chas II and Jas VII/II had some interesting nautical interests and Chas II in science.
Jamie Saxt liked a well turned out male leg. His strictures against sodomy are somewhat reminiscent of Southern US tv evangelists who recommend dancing away the gay..
Bit hard on the women. Especially the ones who got done for witchcraft. North Berwick has never been livelier.
Seriously: the dissonance between a douce family resort/commuterland and what happened then is astounding.
It is. I have some reservations about campaigns for antepost apologies but if the one concerning what was done to women accused of witchcraft brings the events to public attention, I'm all for it.
It would have been a complete injustice had Tottenham lost, although they wasted so many chances in the first half.
An amazing finish - apparently the Premier League record for a late turnover in the lead (95 mins). Man City held the previous record in the famous title winning game vs QPR (91 mins).
Edit: It might be an all time top flight record for a lead turnover. I guess people will be checking the history books.
I hope that Philip Davies isn't about to cross the floor.
I don't think I could cope with having to vote for him at the next election!
Tbf, I could vote for Simon Hoare if he crossed the floor (not that he ever would). He's not a bad guy at heart and a good constituency MP by all accounts.
Of course if he wants to keep his job in this constituency, crossing the floor is the last thing he should do.
Simon Hoare is excellent.
Funnily enough, knew him at uni. Full time politician but certainly not someone who is malicious
Entirely possible. Many of them have got used to living on a MP's salary.
The issue for Labour, though, would be if a new Tory leader came in and then the ratings started to recover. Not hard to imagine those MPs deciding to shift back.
Anyone can rat, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat.
When the alternative is your salary is halved or more, ingenuity knows no bounds.
From Week 2 pessimism to Week 2 joy. Admissions are down 26% week on week and deaths are down 10% (the first time deaths have been down in almost 2 months).
When I issued my first projection this time last week I had admissions flat and deaths up!
Have just watched PMQs having heard bits of it earlier. With a cross the floor defection at the start, Boris utterly losing it and banging away at the dispatch box having sat flipping though the folder looking for his record of achievement and then DD of the SS quoting Leo Amery it was some session.
Three takeaways: Watching Starmer tear Johnson apart with swagger, humour and mocking contempt I was reminded of Blair going after Major. As the latter's government fell apart round him I remember Blair eviscerating the PM and this has a very similar vibe Hoyle no longer cares about the supposed courtesies of the House as the Treasury Bench has repeatedly shown its own abject contempt for them. Seems to be open season in there - call the PM a liar, its allowed. Mention HMQ, its allowed. Tories likely upset but as ye sow, so shall ye reap... Johnson not knowing the quote - an abject lie from the most recent of Churchill biographers
Bit unfair on Devi. She was never one of the worst and has been on a journey throughout. Pagel on the other hand is still essentially calling for restrictions forever. Her followers are the biggest set of bedwetters you will ever see. They will be wearing masks forever. They are now suggesting that we all need respirators, not just masks. They have truly jumped the shark.
They all seem to believe that every time they send their child to school there is an evens chance that they are going to return with the equivalent of Ebola.
It is shameful the way that the reality that those who have arguably suffered the most through non-medical consequences of the actions to combat Covid ie. children have been co-opted in some quarter to terrify parents into believing that they are actually at serious medical risk and the measures taken are actually in their interests.
The way that figures showing a relatively tiny number of children having sadly died of(/with? not sure) Covid (of which we should be thanking our lucky stars - imagine a pandemic on this scale that was killing children in their thousands - not sure we'd ever escape) is being turned on it's head to claim that children are apparently significant medical victims and it is they being put at risk directly every time they are sent to school.
Quite the match at Filbert Street or whatever it’s called nowadays!
They wanted to call it The Walkers Bowl. But everyone either laughed or complained.
I guess in the planning archives and original models there is a full set of original unsponsored names for all these new stadia, some sort of known, some used, some forgotten in the mists of time:
Ashburton Grove, Eastlands, Filbert Way, New Leeds Road, Falmer, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Archibald Leitch must have been spinning in his grave these last couple of decades.
Beth Rigby @BethRigby · 16m And this from a 2019-er on whether that plot to oust PM has dissipated or is merely on hold: “It's all planned out and a question of when. We don't want the new leader to take a hit at the local elections [in May]. So we may well wait unless the Sue Gray report really hits."
I don't think anyone on PB has actually read and understood what Sridhar has been arguing over the least 2 years now or followed her thinking. This is completely expected. The idea this is a u-turn by her is so out there that I assume Melville hasn't either.
I have, see my post. She is very much not a lockdown forever fanatic.
A logical one, though. When vaccines didn't exist it NPIs were necessary. Now that we have freely available vaccines that give us a huge reduction in severity the need for NPIs has disappeared. A lot of people on PB have the same view, I'm very much in that camp, I recognise that lockdowns and other measures were necessary at varying degrees until around May/June 2021. Since then we haven't needed them and we won't need them in the future.
There's no future where we eradicate COVID so why spend GDP to try and do that?
Yes, that encapsulates my view too. As I write above, I think she’s very rational. Kudos to her for penning the piece.
Biden says "It's one thing if it's a minor incursion... but if they actually do what they're capable of doing... it is going to be a disaster for Russia, if they invade Ukraine." Promises "heavy" and "real" penalties.
I don't think anyone on PB has actually read and understood what Sridhar has been arguing over the least 2 years now or followed her thinking. This is completely expected. The idea this is a u-turn by her is so out there that I assume Melville hasn't either.
Have just watched PMQs having heard bits of it earlier. With a cross the floor defection at the start, Boris utterly losing it and banging away at the dispatch box having sat flipping though the folder looking for his record of achievement and then DD of the SS quoting Leo Amery it was some session.
Three takeaways: Watching Starmer tear Johnson apart with swagger, humour and mocking contempt I was reminded of Blair going after Major. As the latter's government fell apart round him I remember Blair eviscerating the PM and this has a very similar vibe Hoyle no longer cares about the supposed courtesies of the House as the Treasury Bench has repeatedly shown its own abject contempt for them. Seems to be open season in there - call the PM a liar, its allowed. Mention HMQ, its allowed. Tories likely upset but as ye sow, so shall ye reap... Johnson not knowing the quote - an abject lie from the most recent of Churchill biographers
To be fair, he may not know the quote - by all accounts his Churchill biography is terrible, riddled with errors a GCSE history student would be embarrassed by, and as much about making the case for its author's greatness as its subject.
Entirely possible. Many of them have got used to living on a MP's salary.
The issue for Labour, though, would be if a new Tory leader came in and then the ratings started to recover. Not hard to imagine those MPs deciding to shift back.
Has anyone ever crossed the floor twice (as in, crossed and crossed back) in a single Parliament? Did one of the CUKs do it?
Not sure actually. Also, this is from Canada, would be interesting to see if applies here:
In USA party-switching politicos generally do so because their political and esp. electoral base has shifted significantly. Of course they quite often share same sentiments, but also have added incentive of wishing to be re-elected, or elected to higher office.
Also instances where the thwarting of career or policy goals (or both) leads to switching (think WSC was case in point). Sometimes with pro-active or re-active incentives from the other side of the aisle.
Former Texas Governor, US Energy Secretary and GOP candidate for President (sort of) Rick Perry is example of shift by conservative Democrats > Republican across the South in late 20th century.
A few notable or at least recent examples from Pacific North West:
> Wayne Morris of Oregon, elected US Senator first as a Republican but switched parties in late 1950s, won re-election several times, and became grand old man (and curmudgeon) of Beaver State Democratic Party
> Peter von Reichbauer, elected WA state senator as a Democrat, but switched to GOP in 1980s in middle of legislative session, thus upending Ds in leadership (and staff) and replacing them with Republicans over-night; today is many-termed incumbent (and officially nonpartisan) member of King County Council.
> Dan Satterberg, first elected and re-elected King County Prosecutor as Republican, but switched to Democratic Party in 2016, in reaction against Trump AND in response to voting trend in King Co.
NOT a simple operation to accomplish successfully; takes the right combination of personality and circumstance. Certainly helps IF you are part of a mass or (even semi-mass) movement, that is, if "everybody's doing it now".
Beth Rigby @BethRigby · 16m And this from a 2019-er on whether that plot to oust PM has dissipated or is merely on hold: “It's all planned out and a question of when. We don't want the new leader to take a hit at the local elections [in May]. So we may well wait unless the Sue Gray report really hits."
This is why the Conservatives need to be out at the next election. They are still putting party above country. This is dangerously stupid.
Yep. They are basically prepared to let one of the most unfit persons ever to be anywhere near being PM continue until late May.
Well they were prepared to make him pm in exchange for an 80 seat majority, so we shouldn’t be surprised.
I'm not sure that comparison works. They were prepared to make him PM to win, that's rational even if people disliked their trade off, and it actually worked. Being prepared to keep him as PM if they think he is the cause of them losingis a different matter altogether.
Either he's an asset or he isn't. If he is, don't contemplate changing him and power on through. If he is no longer an asset, is the harm he is causing by remaining until May less than the benefit of a new leader starting with a fresh slate after May? I suppose they could think that, but its far more of a gamble.
Quite the match at Filbert Street or whatever it’s called nowadays!
They wanted to call it The Walkers Bowl. But everyone either laughed or complained.
I honestly think these new grounds should just use their old name a la Millwall (The (New) Den). The King Power is just such a shite name.
Livingston Football Club play at what used to be Almondvale Stadium and is now the Toni Macaroni Arena, which is just plain FUNNY as far I am concerned.
Biden says "It's one thing if it's a minor incursion... but if they actually do what they're capable of doing... it is going to be a disaster for Russia, if they invade Ukraine." Promises "heavy" and "real" penalties.
Are you strong on the civil war period of History Dr Y? Was Cromwell a Freemason? Part 2.
I havn’t much to go on. But my brother is obsessed with Templars. He says Cromwell was a Freemason 🤷♀️
It’s to do with those who love magnacarta. The night King John signed it he stayed with knight Templar. And at that time they wrote all the laws?
I know very little about the Civil War era (it's never been something I found interesting)
Where's a damn dislike button when you need one?
The only decent sex maniac among the whole lot of the Stuarts was Charles II.
His Scottish genes.
Didn't seem to work for his father and to a rather lesser extent his grandfather or brother.
I thought his brother also had mistresses. But he felt so guilty, he made sure they were all unattractive.
Like I said, the only *decent* sex maniac was Charles II.
Do you mean, out of only the ones in Whitehall? There were plenty in Scotland before them. And of course in France and Italy after, but I've never been interested in the Malignants enough to sniff their sheets so to speak. Though Chas II and Jas VII/II had some interesting nautical interests and Chas II in science.
Jamie Saxt liked a well turned out male leg. His strictures against sodomy are somewhat reminiscent of Southern US tv evangelists who recommend dancing away the gay..
Bit hard on the women. Especially the ones who got done for witchcraft. North Berwick has never been livelier.
Seriously: the dissonance between a douce family resort/commuterland and what happened then is astounding.
It is. I have some reservations about campaigns for antepost apologies but if the one concerning what was done to women accused of witchcraft brings the events to public attention, I'm all for it.
There's a website which has collated all the records, like the British Slavery one, in which you can look up your friendly local (or indeed any) Colston (it has proved extremely useful, if sobering, for some local historical research). This accused women one has a map so you can find out who got burnt alive down the road (almost literally so in my case).
Quite the match at Filbert Street or whatever it’s called nowadays!
They wanted to call it The Walkers Bowl. But everyone either laughed or complained.
I guess in the planning archives and original models there is a full set of original unsponsored names for all these new stadia, some sort of known, some used, some forgotten in the mists of time:
Ashburton Grove, Eastlands, Filbert Way, New Leeds Road, Falmer, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Archibald Leitch must have been spinning in his grave these last couple of decades.
Entirely possible. Many of them have got used to living on a MP's salary.
The issue for Labour, though, would be if a new Tory leader came in and then the ratings started to recover. Not hard to imagine those MPs deciding to shift back.
Anyone can rat, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat.
When the alternative is your salary is halved or more, ingenuity knows no bounds.
Being an MP isn't that well paid. I would expect most people take a meaningful paycut to be an MP. (Certainly, @Tissue_Price will have seen a pretty big drop.)
Bit unfair on Devi. She was never one of the worst and has been on a journey throughout. Pagel on the other hand is still essentially calling for restrictions forever. Her followers are the biggest set of bedwetters you will ever see. They will be wearing masks forever. They are now suggesting that we all need respirators, not just masks. They have truly jumped the shark.
I made the mistake of looking at Pagel’s feed the other day. Not for the faint hearted.
Beth Rigby @BethRigby · 16m And this from a 2019-er on whether that plot to oust PM has dissipated or is merely on hold: “It's all planned out and a question of when. We don't want the new leader to take a hit at the local elections [in May]. So we may well wait unless the Sue Gray report really hits."
Entirely possible. Many of them have got used to living on a MP's salary.
The issue for Labour, though, would be if a new Tory leader came in and then the ratings started to recover. Not hard to imagine those MPs deciding to shift back.
Has anyone ever crossed the floor twice (as in, crossed and crossed back) in a single Parliament? Did one of the CUKs do it?
Not sure actually. Also, this is from Canada, would be interesting to see if applies here:
In USA party-switching politicos generally do so because their political and esp. electoral base has shifted significantly. Of course they quite often share same sentiments, but also have added incentive of wishing to be re-elected, or elected to higher office.
Also instances where the thwarting of career or policy goals (or both) leads to switching (think WSC was case in point). Sometimes with pro-active or re-active incentives from the other side of the aisle.
Former Texas Governor, US Energy Secretary and GOP candidate for President (sort of) Rick Perry is example of shift by conservative Democrats > Republican across the South in late 20th century.
A few notable or at least recent examples from Pacific North West:
> Wayne Morris of Oregon, elected US Senator first as a Republican but switched parties in late 1950s, won re-election several times, and became grand old man (and curmudgeon) of Beaver State Democratic Party
> Peter von Reichbauer, elected WA state senator as a Democrat, but switched to GOP in 1980s in middle of legislative session, thus upending Ds in leadership (and staff) and replacing them with Republicans over-night; today is many-termed incumbent (and officially nonpartisan) member of King County Council.
> Dan Satterberg, first elected and re-elected King County Prosecutor as Republican, but switched to Democratic Party in 2016, in reaction against Trump AND in response to voting trend in King Co.
NOT a simple operation to accomplish successfully; takes the right combination of personality and circumstance. Certainly helps IF you are part of a mass or (even semi-mass) movement, that is, if "everybody's doing it now".
Entirely possible. Many of them have got used to living on a MP's salary.
The issue for Labour, though, would be if a new Tory leader came in and then the ratings started to recover. Not hard to imagine those MPs deciding to shift back.
Anyone can rat, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat.
When the alternative is your salary is halved or more, ingenuity knows no bounds.
So are you of the belief, that large portion of Winston Chuchill's strategy as an author, was using his political career to build his readership AND royalties? He is after all the most famous re-ratter in British parliamentary history.
Quite the match at Filbert Street or whatever it’s called nowadays!
They wanted to call it The Walkers Bowl. But everyone either laughed or complained.
I honestly think these new grounds should just use their old name a la Millwall (The (New) Den). The King Power is just such a shite name.
Livingston Football Club play at what used to be Almondvale Stadium and is now the Toni Macaroni Arena, which is just plain FUNNY as far I am concerned.
Featherstone Rovers played at the Chris Moyles Arena for a while. It's still the same Post Office Road as always. Though greatly done up into a fine little stadium.
Are you strong on the civil war period of History Dr Y? Was Cromwell a Freemason? Part 2.
I havn’t much to go on. But my brother is obsessed with Templars. He says Cromwell was a Freemason 🤷♀️
It’s to do with those who love magnacarta. The night King John signed it he stayed with knight Templar. And at that time they wrote all the laws?
I know very little about the Civil War era (it's never been something I found interesting)
Where's a damn dislike button when you need one?
The only decent sex maniac among the whole lot of the Stuarts was Charles II.
His Scottish genes.
Didn't seem to work for his father and to a rather lesser extent his grandfather or brother.
I thought his brother also had mistresses. But he felt so guilty, he made sure they were all unattractive.
Like I said, the only *decent* sex maniac was Charles II.
Do you mean, out of only the ones in Whitehall? There were plenty in Scotland before them. And of course in France and Italy after, but I've never been interested in the Malignants enough to sniff their sheets so to speak. Though Chas II and Jas VII/II had some interesting nautical interests and Chas II in science.
Jamie Saxt liked a well turned out male leg. His strictures against sodomy are somewhat reminiscent of Southern US tv evangelists who recommend dancing away the gay..
Bit hard on the women. Especially the ones who got done for witchcraft. North Berwick has never been livelier.
Seriously: the dissonance between a douce family resort/commuterland and what happened then is astounding.
It is. I have some reservations about campaigns for antepost apologies but if the one concerning what was done to women accused of witchcraft brings the events to public attention, I'm all for it.
There's a website which has collated all the records, like the British Slavery one, in which you can look up your friendly local (or indeed any) Colston (it has proved extremely useful, if sobering, for some local historical research). This accused women one has a map so you can find out who got burnt alive down the road (almost literally so in my case).
IIRC from my university days the interesting thing about the witch trial craze was how different it panned out in different places. Some were much harsher on punishments than others, or even had acquittals, depending on how gung ho they were, some had a higher proportion of men as the target than others (though I cannot recall if anywhere actually had a majority, but in general nowhere near of course), but simplistic takes on it tend to make it seem uniform.
Bit unfair on Devi. She was never one of the worst and has been on a journey throughout. Pagel on the other hand is still essentially calling for restrictions forever. Her followers are the biggest set of bedwetters you will ever see. They will be wearing masks forever. They are now suggesting that we all need respirators, not just masks. They have truly jumped the shark.
I made the mistake of looking at Pagel’s feed the other day. Not for the faint hearted.
It’s fascinating, but not in a good way. I think we all have our positions on the scale of where we are with Covid. I’m pretty blasé, triple jabbed, been very exposed at work throughout. Others a bit more concerned, possibly those with more reason to worry. But those followers of hers are something else. I suspect some of them have not left the house since March 2020.
Quite the match at Filbert Street or whatever it’s called nowadays!
They wanted to call it The Walkers Bowl. But everyone either laughed or complained.
I guess in the planning archives and original models there is a full set of original unsponsored names for all these new stadia, some sort of known, some used, some forgotten in the mists of time:
Ashburton Grove, Eastlands, Filbert Way, New Leeds Road, Falmer, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Archibald Leitch must have been spinning in his grave these last couple of decades.
Eastlands is in common usage.
I just call Ashburton Grove, Highbury. It’s near enough in Highbury after all.
Never mind up here north of the wall, there are some absolutely brilliant headbanging comments out there on Twitter. Seemingly HY and the Corbyn Cult are of the same ilk - we don't want your votes, we don't need your votes.
Neither seem interested in actually winning an election. Tory to Labour switchers are *essential* of Starmer is to reverse the Corbyn apocalypse in a single electoral cycle.
Entirely possible. Many of them have got used to living on a MP's salary.
The issue for Labour, though, would be if a new Tory leader came in and then the ratings started to recover. Not hard to imagine those MPs deciding to shift back.
Has anyone ever crossed the floor twice (as in, crossed and crossed back) in a single Parliament? Did one of the CUKs do it?
Not sure actually. Also, this is from Canada, would be interesting to see if applies here:
In USA party-switching politicos generally do so because their political and esp. electoral base has shifted significantly. Of course they quite often share same sentiments, but also have added incentive of wishing to be re-elected, or elected to higher office.
Also instances where the thwarting of career or policy goals (or both) leads to switching (think WSC was case in point). Sometimes with pro-active or re-active incentives from the other side of the aisle.
Former Texas Governor, US Energy Secretary and GOP candidate for President (sort of) Rick Perry is example of shift by conservative Democrats > Republican across the South in late 20th century.
A few notable or at least recent examples from Pacific North West:
> Wayne Morris of Oregon, elected US Senator first as a Republican but switched parties in late 1950s, won re-election several times, and became grand old man (and curmudgeon) of Beaver State Democratic Party
> Peter von Reichbauer, elected WA state senator as a Democrat, but switched to GOP in 1980s in middle of legislative session, thus upending Ds in leadership (and staff) and replacing them with Republicans over-night; today is many-termed incumbent (and officially nonpartisan) member of King County Council.
> Dan Satterberg, first elected and re-elected King County Prosecutor as Republican, but switched to Democratic Party in 2016, in reaction against Trump AND in response to voting trend in King Co.
NOT a simple operation to accomplish successfully; takes the right combination of personality and circumstance. Certainly helps IF you are part of a mass or (even semi-mass) movement, that is, if "everybody's doing it now".
Beth Rigby @BethRigby · 16m And this from a 2019-er on whether that plot to oust PM has dissipated or is merely on hold: “It's all planned out and a question of when. We don't want the new leader to take a hit at the local elections [in May]. So we may well wait unless the Sue Gray report really hits."
Translation: We don't want to move and will present our lack of action as part of a genius plan rather than indecisiveness.
Waiting to let the current leader take the hit is along the same lines as 'good election to lose' or 'we'd rather the PM remain in place' - yes, it might technically make some sense, but since you cannot predict the future perfectly, you'd always prefer to remove a bad leader sooner if you can, you'd prefer to win an election and hope you overcome bad stuff than lose one, and you'd prefer the glory of taking down/seeing off a PM than worry about the possibility a replacement might do better.
You take a win if you can. If you don't even try for it, you don't really want it.
Yes. The problem comes if we have a major incident. Terrorist attack or natural disaster or some such. A significant number of the Party think he's unfit for office. How can the public have confidence?
Are you strong on the civil war period of History Dr Y? Was Cromwell a Freemason? Part 2.
I havn’t much to go on. But my brother is obsessed with Templars. He says Cromwell was a Freemason 🤷♀️
It’s to do with those who love magnacarta. The night King John signed it he stayed with knight Templar. And at that time they wrote all the laws?
I know very little about the Civil War era (it's never been something I found interesting)
Where's a damn dislike button when you need one?
The only decent sex maniac among the whole lot of the Stuarts was Charles II.
His Scottish genes.
Didn't seem to work for his father and to a rather lesser extent his grandfather or brother.
I thought his brother also had mistresses. But he felt so guilty, he made sure they were all unattractive.
Like I said, the only *decent* sex maniac was Charles II.
Do you mean, out of only the ones in Whitehall? There were plenty in Scotland before them. And of course in France and Italy after, but I've never been interested in the Malignants enough to sniff their sheets so to speak. Though Chas II and Jas VII/II had some interesting nautical interests and Chas II in science.
Jamie Saxt liked a well turned out male leg. His strictures against sodomy are somewhat reminiscent of Southern US tv evangelists who recommend dancing away the gay..
Bit hard on the women. Especially the ones who got done for witchcraft. North Berwick has never been livelier.
Seriously: the dissonance between a douce family resort/commuterland and what happened then is astounding.
It is. I have some reservations about campaigns for antepost apologies but if the one concerning what was done to women accused of witchcraft brings the events to public attention, I'm all for it.
There's a website which has collated all the records, like the British Slavery one, in which you can look up your friendly local (or indeed any) Colston (it has proved extremely useful, if sobering, for some local historical research). This accused women one has a map so you can find out who got burnt alive down the road (almost literally so in my case).
IIRC from my university days the interesting thing about the witch trial craze was how different it panned out in different places. Some were much harsher on punishments than others, or even had acquittals, depending on how gung ho they were, some had a higher proportion of men as the target than others (though I cannot recall if anywhere actually had a majority, but in general nowhere near of course), but simplistic takes on it tend to make it seem uniform.
In the U.K. most ‘witches’* were hung, not burned.
Are you strong on the civil war period of History Dr Y? Was Cromwell a Freemason? Part 2.
I havn’t much to go on. But my brother is obsessed with Templars. He says Cromwell was a Freemason 🤷♀️
It’s to do with those who love magnacarta. The night King John signed it he stayed with knight Templar. And at that time they wrote all the laws?
I know very little about the Civil War era (it's never been something I found interesting)
Where's a damn dislike button when you need one?
The only decent sex maniac among the whole lot of the Stuarts was Charles II.
His Scottish genes.
Didn't seem to work for his father and to a rather lesser extent his grandfather or brother.
I thought his brother also had mistresses. But he felt so guilty, he made sure they were all unattractive.
Like I said, the only *decent* sex maniac was Charles II.
Do you mean, out of only the ones in Whitehall? There were plenty in Scotland before them. And of course in France and Italy after, but I've never been interested in the Malignants enough to sniff their sheets so to speak. Though Chas II and Jas VII/II had some interesting nautical interests and Chas II in science.
Jamie Saxt liked a well turned out male leg. His strictures against sodomy are somewhat reminiscent of Southern US tv evangelists who recommend dancing away the gay..
Bit hard on the women. Especially the ones who got done for witchcraft. North Berwick has never been livelier.
Seriously: the dissonance between a douce family resort/commuterland and what happened then is astounding.
It is. I have some reservations about campaigns for antepost apologies but if the one concerning what was done to women accused of witchcraft brings the events to public attention, I'm all for it.
There's a website which has collated all the records, like the British Slavery one, in which you can look up your friendly local (or indeed any) Colston (it has proved extremely useful, if sobering, for some local historical research). This accused women one has a map so you can find out who got burnt alive down the road (almost literally so in my case).
IIRC from my university days the interesting thing about the witch trial craze was how different it panned out in different places. Some were much harsher on punishments than others, or even had acquittals, depending on how gung ho they were, some had a higher proportion of men as the target than others (though I cannot recall if anywhere actually had a majority, but in general nowhere near of course), but simplistic takes on it tend to make it seem uniform.
Haven't read anything much about it: but just looking at that map - it's amazing how many trials there were in wee bittie places and not so many elsewhere. I mean, 21 in Humbie!
Quite the match at Filbert Street or whatever it’s called nowadays!
They wanted to call it The Walkers Bowl. But everyone either laughed or complained.
I honestly think these new grounds should just use their old name a la Millwall (The (New) Den). The King Power is just such a shite name.
Livingston Football Club play at what used to be Almondvale Stadium and is now the Toni Macaroni Arena, which is just plain FUNNY as far I am concerned.
Entirely possible. Many of them have got used to living on a MP's salary.
The issue for Labour, though, would be if a new Tory leader came in and then the ratings started to recover. Not hard to imagine those MPs deciding to shift back.
Anyone can rat, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat.
When the alternative is your salary is halved or more, ingenuity knows no bounds.
Being an MP isn't that well paid. I would expect most people take a meaningful paycut to be an MP. (Certainly, @Tissue_Price will have seen a pretty big drop.)
But honours, gongs and influence will come his way if he is a loyal follower of the party line. I am still waiting for Lord FUD of Epping to be ennobled....
Are you strong on the civil war period of History Dr Y? Was Cromwell a Freemason? Part 2.
I havn’t much to go on. But my brother is obsessed with Templars. He says Cromwell was a Freemason 🤷♀️
It’s to do with those who love magnacarta. The night King John signed it he stayed with knight Templar. And at that time they wrote all the laws?
I know very little about the Civil War era (it's never been something I found interesting)
Where's a damn dislike button when you need one?
The only decent sex maniac among the whole lot of the Stuarts was Charles II.
His Scottish genes.
Didn't seem to work for his father and to a rather lesser extent his grandfather or brother.
I thought his brother also had mistresses. But he felt so guilty, he made sure they were all unattractive.
Like I said, the only *decent* sex maniac was Charles II.
Do you mean, out of only the ones in Whitehall? There were plenty in Scotland before them. And of course in France and Italy after, but I've never been interested in the Malignants enough to sniff their sheets so to speak. Though Chas II and Jas VII/II had some interesting nautical interests and Chas II in science.
Jamie Saxt liked a well turned out male leg. His strictures against sodomy are somewhat reminiscent of Southern US tv evangelists who recommend dancing away the gay..
Bit hard on the women. Especially the ones who got done for witchcraft. North Berwick has never been livelier.
Seriously: the dissonance between a douce family resort/commuterland and what happened then is astounding.
It is. I have some reservations about campaigns for antepost apologies but if the one concerning what was done to women accused of witchcraft brings the events to public attention, I'm all for it.
There's a website which has collated all the records, like the British Slavery one, in which you can look up your friendly local (or indeed any) Colston (it has proved extremely useful, if sobering, for some local historical research). This accused women one has a map so you can find out who got burnt alive down the road (almost literally so in my case).
IIRC from my university days the interesting thing about the witch trial craze was how different it panned out in different places. Some were much harsher on punishments than others, or even had acquittals, depending on how gung ho they were, some had a higher proportion of men as the target than others (though I cannot recall if anywhere actually had a majority, but in general nowhere near of course), but simplistic takes on it tend to make it seem uniform.
Haven't read anything much about it: but just looking at that map - it's amazing how many trials there were in wee bittie places and not so many elsewhere. I mean, 21 in Humbie!
My vague recollection was that Scotland was on the gung ho end of the spectrum, which might account for that in such a small place if true. Definitely the sign of a disharmonious community in Humbie!
Beth Rigby @BethRigby · 16m And this from a 2019-er on whether that plot to oust PM has dissipated or is merely on hold: “It's all planned out and a question of when. We don't want the new leader to take a hit at the local elections [in May]. So we may well wait unless the Sue Gray report really hits."
Quite the match at Filbert Street or whatever it’s called nowadays!
They wanted to call it The Walkers Bowl. But everyone either laughed or complained.
I honestly think these new grounds should just use their old name a la Millwall (The (New) Den). The King Power is just such a shite name.
Livingston Football Club play at what used to be Almondvale Stadium and is now the Toni Macaroni Arena, which is just plain FUNNY as far I am concerned.
Featherstone Rovers played at the Chris Moyles Arena for a while. It's still the same Post Office Road as always. Though greatly done up into a fine little stadium.
The Chris Moyles Arena?? As in the larger than life radio one DJ? WTAF?
Beth Rigby @BethRigby · 16m And this from a 2019-er on whether that plot to oust PM has dissipated or is merely on hold: “It's all planned out and a question of when. We don't want the new leader to take a hit at the local elections [in May]. So we may well wait unless the Sue Gray report really hits."
Quite the match at Filbert Street or whatever it’s called nowadays!
They wanted to call it The Walkers Bowl. But everyone either laughed or complained.
I honestly think these new grounds should just use their old name a la Millwall (The (New) Den). The King Power is just such a shite name.
Livingston Football Club play at what used to be Almondvale Stadium and is now the Toni Macaroni Arena, which is just plain FUNNY as far I am concerned.
You mean Meadowbank? Aka Ferranti.
I think Almondvale was a new stadium which came after Meadowbank? Though I could be wrong - not a Livi expert, I just love the fact that they play at the Toni Macaroni Arena.
Are you strong on the civil war period of History Dr Y? Was Cromwell a Freemason? Part 2.
I havn’t much to go on. But my brother is obsessed with Templars. He says Cromwell was a Freemason 🤷♀️
It’s to do with those who love magnacarta. The night King John signed it he stayed with knight Templar. And at that time they wrote all the laws?
I know very little about the Civil War era (it's never been something I found interesting)
Where's a damn dislike button when you need one?
The only decent sex maniac among the whole lot of the Stuarts was Charles II.
His Scottish genes.
Didn't seem to work for his father and to a rather lesser extent his grandfather or brother.
I thought his brother also had mistresses. But he felt so guilty, he made sure they were all unattractive.
Like I said, the only *decent* sex maniac was Charles II.
Do you mean, out of only the ones in Whitehall? There were plenty in Scotland before them. And of course in France and Italy after, but I've never been interested in the Malignants enough to sniff their sheets so to speak. Though Chas II and Jas VII/II had some interesting nautical interests and Chas II in science.
Jamie Saxt liked a well turned out male leg. His strictures against sodomy are somewhat reminiscent of Southern US tv evangelists who recommend dancing away the gay..
Bit hard on the women. Especially the ones who got done for witchcraft. North Berwick has never been livelier.
Seriously: the dissonance between a douce family resort/commuterland and what happened then is astounding.
It is. I have some reservations about campaigns for antepost apologies but if the one concerning what was done to women accused of witchcraft brings the events to public attention, I'm all for it.
There's a website which has collated all the records, like the British Slavery one, in which you can look up your friendly local (or indeed any) Colston (it has proved extremely useful, if sobering, for some local historical research). This accused women one has a map so you can find out who got burnt alive down the road (almost literally so in my case).
IIRC from my university days the interesting thing about the witch trial craze was how different it panned out in different places. Some were much harsher on punishments than others, or even had acquittals, depending on how gung ho they were, some had a higher proportion of men as the target than others (though I cannot recall if anywhere actually had a majority, but in general nowhere near of course), but simplistic takes on it tend to make it seem uniform.
In the U.K. most ‘witches’* were hung, not burned.
*They were not witches of course.
Hanged. And tbf some of them may well have been witches, not that that justifies their treatment.
Beth Rigby @BethRigby · 16m And this from a 2019-er on whether that plot to oust PM has dissipated or is merely on hold: “It's all planned out and a question of when. We don't want the new leader to take a hit at the local elections [in May]. So we may well wait unless the Sue Gray report really hits."
Beth Rigby @BethRigby · 16m And this from a 2019-er on whether that plot to oust PM has dissipated or is merely on hold: “It's all planned out and a question of when. We don't want the new leader to take a hit at the local elections [in May]. So we may well wait unless the Sue Gray report really hits."
Are you strong on the civil war period of History Dr Y? Was Cromwell a Freemason? Part 2.
I havn’t much to go on. But my brother is obsessed with Templars. He says Cromwell was a Freemason 🤷♀️
It’s to do with those who love magnacarta. The night King John signed it he stayed with knight Templar. And at that time they wrote all the laws?
I know very little about the Civil War era (it's never been something I found interesting)
Where's a damn dislike button when you need one?
The only decent sex maniac among the whole lot of the Stuarts was Charles II.
His Scottish genes.
Didn't seem to work for his father and to a rather lesser extent his grandfather or brother.
I thought his brother also had mistresses. But he felt so guilty, he made sure they were all unattractive.
Like I said, the only *decent* sex maniac was Charles II.
Do you mean, out of only the ones in Whitehall? There were plenty in Scotland before them. And of course in France and Italy after, but I've never been interested in the Malignants enough to sniff their sheets so to speak. Though Chas II and Jas VII/II had some interesting nautical interests and Chas II in science.
Jamie Saxt liked a well turned out male leg. His strictures against sodomy are somewhat reminiscent of Southern US tv evangelists who recommend dancing away the gay..
Bit hard on the women. Especially the ones who got done for witchcraft. North Berwick has never been livelier.
Seriously: the dissonance between a douce family resort/commuterland and what happened then is astounding.
It is. I have some reservations about campaigns for antepost apologies but if the one concerning what was done to women accused of witchcraft brings the events to public attention, I'm all for it.
There's a website which has collated all the records, like the British Slavery one, in which you can look up your friendly local (or indeed any) Colston (it has proved extremely useful, if sobering, for some local historical research). This accused women one has a map so you can find out who got burnt alive down the road (almost literally so in my case).
IIRC from my university days the interesting thing about the witch trial craze was how different it panned out in different places. Some were much harsher on punishments than others, or even had acquittals, depending on how gung ho they were, some had a higher proportion of men as the target than others (though I cannot recall if anywhere actually had a majority, but in general nowhere near of course), but simplistic takes on it tend to make it seem uniform.
Haven't read anything much about it: but just looking at that map - it's amazing how many trials there were in wee bittie places and not so many elsewhere. I mean, 21 in Humbie!
My vague recollection was that Scotland was on the gung ho end of the spectrum, which might account for that in such a small place if true. Definitely the sign of a disharmonious community in Humbie!
Friend of mine moved to England, Littleport near Ely. Startled to find the most famous resident was the Witchfinder General. But yes, the "witches" did not have a good time in much of Scotland.
Beth Rigby @BethRigby · 16m And this from a 2019-er on whether that plot to oust PM has dissipated or is merely on hold: “It's all planned out and a question of when. We don't want the new leader to take a hit at the local elections [in May]. So we may well wait unless the Sue Gray report really hits."
Are you strong on the civil war period of History Dr Y? Was Cromwell a Freemason? Part 2.
I havn’t much to go on. But my brother is obsessed with Templars. He says Cromwell was a Freemason 🤷♀️
It’s to do with those who love magnacarta. The night King John signed it he stayed with knight Templar. And at that time they wrote all the laws?
I know very little about the Civil War era (it's never been something I found interesting)
Where's a damn dislike button when you need one?
The only decent sex maniac among the whole lot of the Stuarts was Charles II.
His Scottish genes.
Didn't seem to work for his father and to a rather lesser extent his grandfather or brother.
I thought his brother also had mistresses. But he felt so guilty, he made sure they were all unattractive.
Like I said, the only *decent* sex maniac was Charles II.
Do you mean, out of only the ones in Whitehall? There were plenty in Scotland before them. And of course in France and Italy after, but I've never been interested in the Malignants enough to sniff their sheets so to speak. Though Chas II and Jas VII/II had some interesting nautical interests and Chas II in science.
Jamie Saxt liked a well turned out male leg. His strictures against sodomy are somewhat reminiscent of Southern US tv evangelists who recommend dancing away the gay..
Bit hard on the women. Especially the ones who got done for witchcraft. North Berwick has never been livelier.
Seriously: the dissonance between a douce family resort/commuterland and what happened then is astounding.
It is. I have some reservations about campaigns for antepost apologies but if the one concerning what was done to women accused of witchcraft brings the events to public attention, I'm all for it.
There's a website which has collated all the records, like the British Slavery one, in which you can look up your friendly local (or indeed any) Colston (it has proved extremely useful, if sobering, for some local historical research). This accused women one has a map so you can find out who got burnt alive down the road (almost literally so in my case).
IIRC from my university days the interesting thing about the witch trial craze was how different it panned out in different places. Some were much harsher on punishments than others, or even had acquittals, depending on how gung ho they were, some had a higher proportion of men as the target than others (though I cannot recall if anywhere actually had a majority, but in general nowhere near of course), but simplistic takes on it tend to make it seem uniform.
In the U.K. most ‘witches’* were hung, not burned.
*They were not witches of course.
PB Pedantry: not the UK legally or administratively, apart from the tail end after 1707. Or ecclesiastically, which had a lot to do with it AIUI. The contrast and compare would be highly instructive.
Quite the match at Filbert Street or whatever it’s called nowadays!
They wanted to call it The Walkers Bowl. But everyone either laughed or complained.
I honestly think these new grounds should just use their old name a la Millwall (The (New) Den). The King Power is just such a shite name.
Livingston Football Club play at what used to be Almondvale Stadium and is now the Toni Macaroni Arena, which is just plain FUNNY as far I am concerned.
Featherstone Rovers played at the Chris Moyles Arena for a while. It's still the same Post Office Road as always. Though greatly done up into a fine little stadium.
The Chris Moyles Arena?? As in the larger than life radio one DJ? WTAF?
Entirely possible. Many of them have got used to living on a MP's salary.
The issue for Labour, though, would be if a new Tory leader came in and then the ratings started to recover. Not hard to imagine those MPs deciding to shift back.
Has anyone ever crossed the floor twice (as in, crossed and crossed back) in a single Parliament? Did one of the CUKs do it?
Not sure actually. Also, this is from Canada, would be interesting to see if applies here:
In USA party-switching politicos generally do so because their political and esp. electoral base has shifted significantly. Of course they quite often share same sentiments, but also have added incentive of wishing to be re-elected, or elected to higher office.
Also instances where the thwarting of career or policy goals (or both) leads to switching (think WSC was case in point). Sometimes with pro-active or re-active incentives from the other side of the aisle.
Former Texas Governor, US Energy Secretary and GOP candidate for President (sort of) Rick Perry is example of shift by conservative Democrats > Republican across the South in late 20th century.
A few notable or at least recent examples from Pacific North West:
> Wayne Morris of Oregon, elected US Senator first as a Republican but switched parties in late 1950s, won re-election several times, and became grand old man (and curmudgeon) of Beaver State Democratic Party
> Peter von Reichbauer, elected WA state senator as a Democrat, but switched to GOP in 1980s in middle of legislative session, thus upending Ds in leadership (and staff) and replacing them with Republicans over-night; today is many-termed incumbent (and officially nonpartisan) member of King County Council.
> Dan Satterberg, first elected and re-elected King County Prosecutor as Republican, but switched to Democratic Party in 2016, in reaction against Trump AND in response to voting trend in King Co.
NOT a simple operation to accomplish successfully; takes the right combination of personality and circumstance. Certainly helps IF you are part of a mass or (even semi-mass) movement, that is, if "everybody's doing it now".
Entirely possible. Many of them have got used to living on a MP's salary.
The issue for Labour, though, would be if a new Tory leader came in and then the ratings started to recover. Not hard to imagine those MPs deciding to shift back.
Has anyone ever crossed the floor twice (as in, crossed and crossed back) in a single Parliament? Did one of the CUKs do it?
Not sure actually. Also, this is from Canada, would be interesting to see if applies here:
In USA party-switching politicos generally do so because their political and esp. electoral base has shifted significantly. Of course they quite often share same sentiments, but also have added incentive of wishing to be re-elected, or elected to higher office.
Also instances where the thwarting of career or policy goals (or both) leads to switching (think WSC was case in point). Sometimes with pro-active or re-active incentives from the other side of the aisle.
Former Texas Governor, US Energy Secretary and GOP candidate for President (sort of) Rick Perry is example of shift by conservative Democrats > Republican across the South in late 20th century.
A few notable or at least recent examples from Pacific North West:
> Wayne Morris of Oregon, elected US Senator first as a Republican but switched parties in late 1950s, won re-election several times, and became grand old man (and curmudgeon) of Beaver State Democratic Party
> Peter von Reichbauer, elected WA state senator as a Democrat, but switched to GOP in 1980s in middle of legislative session, thus upending Ds in leadership (and staff) and replacing them with Republicans over-night; today is many-termed incumbent (and officially nonpartisan) member of King County Council.
> Dan Satterberg, first elected and re-elected King County Prosecutor as Republican, but switched to Democratic Party in 2016, in reaction against Trump AND in response to voting trend in King Co.
NOT a simple operation to accomplish successfully; takes the right combination of personality and circumstance. Certainly helps IF you are part of a mass or (even semi-mass) movement, that is, if "everybody's doing it now".
Did Trump not switch allegiance about ten times?
Only once that I can recall. But my observations are limited to politicos running for partisan office before as well as after switching parties.
In US some interesting judgement calls, for example Theodore Roosevelt, elected NY Gov & POTUS as Republican, broke with GOP via new Progressive Party aka Bull Moose, then returned to the fold and was leading contender for GOP nomination when he died.
CA Gov and US Chief Justice Earl Warren was Republican who was elected governor as BOTH a Republican AND a Democrat, thanks to "cross filing" and victory in both party primaries, which used to be a thing in the Golden State.
NY Congressman and NYC Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia was a progressive Republican who was forced by the byzantine nature of Empire State / Big Apple politics to run under a number of party labels, including at one time Socialist, which he definitely was NOT. He never ran as a Democrat, which is ironic considering that he was a big backer of FDR & the New Deal, and elected mayor with critical support from liberal, non-Tammy Democrats via "fusion" voting system (designed with guys like him in mind).
Bit unfair on Devi. She was never one of the worst and has been on a journey throughout. Pagel on the other hand is still essentially calling for restrictions forever. Her followers are the biggest set of bedwetters you will ever see. They will be wearing masks forever. They are now suggesting that we all need respirators, not just masks. They have truly jumped the shark.
I made the mistake of looking at Pagel’s feed the other day. Not for the faint hearted.
It’s fascinating, but not in a good way. I think we all have our positions on the scale of where we are with Covid. I’m pretty blasé, triple jabbed, been very exposed at work throughout. Others a bit more concerned, possibly those with more reason to worry. But those followers of hers are something else. I suspect some of them have not left the house since March 2020.
I seem to recall one bloke saying that he was on day 630-odd of self-imposed house arrest. What scared me was that it wasn’t obviously a spoof.
Quite the match at Filbert Street or whatever it’s called nowadays!
They wanted to call it The Walkers Bowl. But everyone either laughed or complained.
I honestly think these new grounds should just use their old name a la Millwall (The (New) Den). The King Power is just such a shite name.
Livingston Football Club play at what used to be Almondvale Stadium and is now the Toni Macaroni Arena, which is just plain FUNNY as far I am concerned.
You mean Meadowbank? Aka Ferranti.
I think Almondvale was a new stadium which came after Meadowbank? Though I could be wrong - not a Livi expert, I just love the fact that they play at the Toni Macaroni Arena.
Entirely possible. Many of them have got used to living on a MP's salary.
The issue for Labour, though, would be if a new Tory leader came in and then the ratings started to recover. Not hard to imagine those MPs deciding to shift back.
Has anyone ever crossed the floor twice (as in, crossed and crossed back) in a single Parliament? Did one of the CUKs do it?
Not sure actually. Also, this is from Canada, would be interesting to see if applies here:
In USA party-switching politicos generally do so because their political and esp. electoral base has shifted significantly. Of course they quite often share same sentiments, but also have added incentive of wishing to be re-elected, or elected to higher office.
Also instances where the thwarting of career or policy goals (or both) leads to switching (think WSC was case in point). Sometimes with pro-active or re-active incentives from the other side of the aisle.
Former Texas Governor, US Energy Secretary and GOP candidate for President (sort of) Rick Perry is example of shift by conservative Democrats > Republican across the South in late 20th century.
A few notable or at least recent examples from Pacific North West:
> Wayne Morris of Oregon, elected US Senator first as a Republican but switched parties in late 1950s, won re-election several times, and became grand old man (and curmudgeon) of Beaver State Democratic Party
> Peter von Reichbauer, elected WA state senator as a Democrat, but switched to GOP in 1980s in middle of legislative session, thus upending Ds in leadership (and staff) and replacing them with Republicans over-night; today is many-termed incumbent (and officially nonpartisan) member of King County Council.
> Dan Satterberg, first elected and re-elected King County Prosecutor as Republican, but switched to Democratic Party in 2016, in reaction against Trump AND in response to voting trend in King Co.
NOT a simple operation to accomplish successfully; takes the right combination of personality and circumstance. Certainly helps IF you are part of a mass or (even semi-mass) movement, that is, if "everybody's doing it now".
Entirely possible. Many of them have got used to living on a MP's salary.
The issue for Labour, though, would be if a new Tory leader came in and then the ratings started to recover. Not hard to imagine those MPs deciding to shift back.
Anyone can rat, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat.
When the alternative is your salary is halved or more, ingenuity knows no bounds.
So are you of the belief, that large portion of Winston Chuchill's strategy as an author, was using his political career to build his readership AND royalties? He is after all the most famous re-ratter in British parliamentary history.
Makes sense to me!
Oh for sure - Champagne and Cigars are not cheap!!!!
Quite the match at Filbert Street or whatever it’s called nowadays!
They wanted to call it The Walkers Bowl. But everyone either laughed or complained.
I honestly think these new grounds should just use their old name a la Millwall (The (New) Den). The King Power is just such a shite name.
Livingston Football Club play at what used to be Almondvale Stadium and is now the Toni Macaroni Arena, which is just plain FUNNY as far I am concerned.
Featherstone Rovers played at the Chris Moyles Arena for a while. It's still the same Post Office Road as always. Though greatly done up into a fine little stadium.
The Chris Moyles Arena?? As in the larger than life radio one DJ? WTAF?
Entirely possible. Many of them have got used to living on a MP's salary.
The issue for Labour, though, would be if a new Tory leader came in and then the ratings started to recover. Not hard to imagine those MPs deciding to shift back.
Anyone can rat, but it takes a certain amount of ingenuity to re-rat.
When the alternative is your salary is halved or more, ingenuity knows no bounds.
Being an MP isn't that well paid. I would expect most people take a meaningful paycut to be an MP. (Certainly, @Tissue_Price will have seen a pretty big drop.)
I think for most of us on here that is true but maybe not for many of those RW MPs who came from a more diverse background.
Quite the match at Filbert Street or whatever it’s called nowadays!
They wanted to call it The Walkers Bowl. But everyone either laughed or complained.
I honestly think these new grounds should just use their old name a la Millwall (The (New) Den). The King Power is just such a shite name.
Livingston Football Club play at what used to be Almondvale Stadium and is now the Toni Macaroni Arena, which is just plain FUNNY as far I am concerned.
Featherstone Rovers played at the Chris Moyles Arena for a while. It's still the same Post Office Road as always. Though greatly done up into a fine little stadium.
The Chris Moyles Arena?? As in the larger than life radio one DJ? WTAF?
Yep. He sponsored it.
Is he that rich? I had no idea.
(I assume it costs a few bob)
Mea culpa. It seems from 2007-9 it was the Chris Moyles Stadium. He didn't pay but plugged their games on his breakfast show.
Hadn’t seen that, but hardly surprising. Scottish Labour could do without this.
I take it that the SNP would refuse for someone who was a Tory switching over to the cause? Bar them from voting for you?
Its cobblers. ALL parties want defections. Especially from the enemy.
Iain Lawson is probably the most prominent Con to SNP defector that springs to mind; in the mid 1980s. But he’s since defected to Alba.
Given the numerical ratios, simply getting one Con or Slab defector would be very useful to the SNP. Disproportionately so, above all at Holyrood.
And also Luke 15 refers:
29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
Interesting that News at 10 went to Bury S and found some support for Boris
From what I’ve seen, Wakeford is not necessarily a sympathetic character - his stated views are obviously out of kilter with Labour and it’s easy to characterise him as switching not from any point of principle but to save his skin. Not a good look.
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Would we be surprised if Boris actually have COVID again over New Year when he was AWOL? And that has got passed on to his baby, who then had a rough time of it?
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And this from a 2019-er on whether that plot to oust PM has dissipated or is merely on hold: “It's all planned out and a question of when. We don't want the new leader to take a hit at the local elections [in May]. So we may well wait unless the Sue Gray report really hits."
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1483916565267558402
Seriously: the dissonance between a douce family resort/commuterland and what happened then is astounding.
There's no future where we eradicate COVID so why spend GDP to try and do that?
Meanwhile, I stick to my theory that when Boris's hair goes, he goes. Baldy Boris latest;
Of course if he wants to keep his job in this constituency, crossing the floor is the last thing he should do.
In proving foresight may be vain:
The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men
Gang aft agley,
An’ lea’e us nought but grief an’ pain,
For promis’d joy!
Waiting to let the current leader take the hit is along the same lines as 'good election to lose' or 'we'd rather the PM remain in place' - yes, it might technically make some sense, but since you cannot predict the future perfectly, you'd always prefer to remove a bad leader sooner if you can, you'd prefer to win an election and hope you overcome bad stuff than lose one, and you'd prefer the glory of taking down/seeing off a PM than worry about the possibility a replacement might do better.
You take a win if you can. If you don't even try for it, you don't really want it.
EDIT: Ooops! Wrong forum!
Pagel on the other hand is still essentially calling for restrictions forever. Her followers are the biggest set of bedwetters you will ever see. They will be wearing masks forever. They are now suggesting that we all need respirators, not just masks. They have truly jumped the shark.
I have some reservations about campaigns for antepost apologies but if the one concerning what was done to women accused of witchcraft brings the events to public attention, I'm all for it.
An amazing finish - apparently the Premier League record for a late turnover in the lead (95 mins). Man City held the previous record in the famous title winning game vs QPR (91 mins).
Edit: It might be an all time top flight record for a lead turnover. I guess people will be checking the history books.
From Week 2 pessimism to Week 2 joy. Admissions are down 26% week on week and deaths are down 10% (the first time deaths have been down in almost 2 months).
When I issued my first projection this time last week I had admissions flat and deaths up!
Will be interesting to see where the SA excess deaths graphs go given how badly underreported Covid deaths are in SA
https://www.samrc.ac.za/reports/report-weekly-deaths-south-africa
Three takeaways:
Watching Starmer tear Johnson apart with swagger, humour and mocking contempt I was reminded of Blair going after Major. As the latter's government fell apart round him I remember Blair eviscerating the PM and this has a very similar vibe
Hoyle no longer cares about the supposed courtesies of the House as the Treasury Bench has repeatedly shown its own abject contempt for them. Seems to be open season in there - call the PM a liar, its allowed. Mention HMQ, its allowed. Tories likely upset but as ye sow, so shall ye reap...
Johnson not knowing the quote - an abject lie from the most recent of Churchill biographers
It is shameful the way that the reality that those who have arguably suffered the most through non-medical consequences of the actions to combat Covid ie. children have been co-opted in some quarter to terrify parents into believing that they are actually at serious medical risk and the measures taken are actually in their interests.
The way that figures showing a relatively tiny number of children having sadly died of(/with? not sure) Covid (of which we should be thanking our lucky stars - imagine a pandemic on this scale that was killing children in their thousands - not sure we'd ever escape) is being turned on it's head to claim that children are apparently significant medical victims and it is they being put at risk directly every time they are sent to school.
Ashburton Grove, Eastlands, Filbert Way, New Leeds Road, Falmer, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Archibald Leitch must have been spinning in his grave these last couple of decades.
https://twitter.com/DefenseBaron/status/1483915239624216580
Also instances where the thwarting of career or policy goals (or both) leads to switching (think WSC was case in point). Sometimes with pro-active or re-active incentives from the other side of the aisle.
Former Texas Governor, US Energy Secretary and GOP candidate for President (sort of) Rick Perry is example of shift by conservative Democrats > Republican across the South in late 20th century.
A few notable or at least recent examples from Pacific North West:
> Wayne Morris of Oregon, elected US Senator first as a Republican but switched parties in late 1950s, won re-election several times, and became grand old man (and curmudgeon) of Beaver State Democratic Party
> Peter von Reichbauer, elected WA state senator as a Democrat, but switched to GOP in 1980s in middle of legislative session, thus upending Ds in leadership (and staff) and replacing them with Republicans over-night; today is many-termed incumbent (and officially nonpartisan) member of King County Council.
> Dan Satterberg, first elected and re-elected King County Prosecutor as Republican, but switched to Democratic Party in 2016, in reaction against Trump AND in response to voting trend in King Co.
NOT a simple operation to accomplish successfully; takes the right combination of personality and circumstance. Certainly helps IF you are part of a mass or (even semi-mass) movement, that is, if "everybody's doing it now".
Either he's an asset or he isn't. If he is, don't contemplate changing him and power on through. If he is no longer an asset, is the harm he is causing by remaining until May less than the benefit of a new leader starting with a fresh slate after May? I suppose they could think that, but its far more of a gamble.
Meanwhile the EU is debating whether it even does geopolitics.
If you were Putin - leader of a weak state in a window of strength - you'd go for it.
https://twitter.com/jeremycliffe/status/1483926029446037507?s=21
Edit: here it is
https://witches.is.ed.ac.uk/
https://www.thenational.scot/news/19859282.scottish-labour-members-fury-christian-wakeford-defection/
Makes sense to me!
It's still the same Post Office Road as always. Though greatly done up into a fine little stadium.
But those followers of hers are something else. I suspect some of them have not left the house since March 2020.
I just call Ashburton Grove, Highbury. It’s near enough in Highbury after all.
Neither seem interested in actually winning an election. Tory to Labour switchers are *essential* of Starmer is to reverse the Corbyn apocalypse in a single electoral cycle.
Its cobblers. ALL parties want defections. Especially from the enemy.
A significant number of the Party think he's unfit for office. How can the public have confidence?
*They were not witches of course.
https://witches.is.ed.ac.uk/
Aka Ferranti.
He will look back on this week with regret, I'm sure of it.
There is a tide and so on...
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Reform (1999–2001)
Democratic (2001–2009)
Republican (2009–2011)
Independent (2011–2012)
Republican (2012–present)
pre-1987 ?
In US some interesting judgement calls, for example Theodore Roosevelt, elected NY Gov & POTUS as Republican, broke with GOP via new Progressive Party aka Bull Moose, then returned to the fold and was leading contender for GOP nomination when he died.
CA Gov and US Chief Justice Earl Warren was Republican who was elected governor as BOTH a Republican AND a Democrat, thanks to "cross filing" and victory in both party primaries, which used to be a thing in the Golden State.
NY Congressman and NYC Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia was a progressive Republican who was forced by the byzantine nature of Empire State / Big Apple politics to run under a number of party labels, including at one time Socialist, which he definitely was NOT. He never ran as a Democrat, which is ironic considering that he was a big backer of FDR & the New Deal, and elected mayor with critical support from liberal, non-Tammy Democrats via "fusion" voting system (designed with guys like him in mind).
Simpler article by the team: https://theconversation.com/phonics-teaching-in-england-needs-to-change-our-new-research-points-to-a-better-approach-172655
(I assume it costs a few bob)
He didn't pay but plugged their games on his breakfast show.
And also Luke 15 refers:
29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
It's well worth reading (like most Gladwell stuff).