Labour flops in OBS as CON holds with 51.5% of vote – politicalbetting.com
So a very comfortable night for the Tories easily holding on in the second Tory by-election defence of this parliament. This is the first hold for the party since Sleaford and North Hykeham almost exactly five years ago.
Con: decent result, seat held with ease despite poor mood music. Lab: not great result, but not very fertile territory. Poor, but not disastrous. Reform: despite throwing everything at the seat, totally failed to get traction. Very poor result. Green: held up well, but small numbers LD: poor result, but really only next week's by-election matters.
Very disappointing for RefUK. If not here and now, then where and when?
Never.
New political parties are extremely common. Breakthrough political parties are extremely rare.
The only ones that spring to mind are Sinn Féin (1910s), Labour (1924-29) and the Scottish National Party (1970s). Of those, only SF made their breakthrough within a decade of foundation.
All other parties either evolved slowly over time or broke off from other established parties.
Note that all three mentioned grew out of very powerful “movements” before they became political parties. Cf contemporary Green parties…
In the end a good result for Boris then. A solid Conservative hold in Old Bexley and Sidcup with the Conservative voteshare staying over 50%. Although there was a swing to Labour it was also less than would be expected after 11 years of Tory rule in a by election and certainly not high enough for Starmer Labour to be looking likely to win the next general election outright.
ReformUK took 3rd but will be disappointed not to have got a higher voteshare in a seat with demographics made for them. Terrible result for the LDs falling from 3rd to 5th. They will brush it off saying their focus is on North Shropshire but equally even if they win North Shropshire Boris can now dismiss it as a one off Paterson protest vote driven by the LD by electiion machine
Makes the Con hold in Shropshire look attractive odds (just put a few pounds on)...
North Shropshire is a likely Con hold. The LDs could win, especially if it's miserable weather and low turnout, and on the ground organisation becomes key. But it's not particularly likely. Ultimately, it's a rural, leave seat, where the LDs have never had any particular presence.
Con by 15 to 20, and I'd want at least 6-1 to bet on the Libs.
Very disappointing for RefUK. If not here and now, then where and when?
I don't know - he kept his deposit. The function of these parties is to keep the conservative party on track. When Laurence Fox appeared on the scene last year the tories started to row back on cultural issues. So it will be with Tice going on about green stuff. As it was with the Brexit party etc.
Much like the locals earlier in the year, it seems there's something for everyone here. CON hold, obviously, with a decent but not devastating Labour swing and some tentative signs of an effective anti-tory coalition. Nothing decisive, but then it is a December by-election in a safe seat. Boris will be relieved, and Starmer can take some comfort.
It might be a very naughty thing to ask, but if this kind of swing were replicated at a GE what would we be looking at?
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
Makes the Con hold in Shropshire look attractive odds (just put a few pounds on)...
North Shropshire is a likely Con hold. The LDs could win, especially if it's miserable weather and low turnout, and on the ground organisation becomes key. But it's not particularly likely. Ultimately, it's a rural, leave seat, where the LDs have never had any particular presence.
Con by 15 to 20, and I'd want at least 6-1 to bet on the Libs.
Best NS prices from Oddschecker and subject to revision when people wake up:- Conservatives 4/9 Lads & Corals Lib Dems 15/8 PP, BV, Bw
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Much like the locals earlier in the year, it seems there's something for everyone here. CON hold, obviously, with a decent but not devastating Labour swing and some tentative signs of an effective anti-tory coalition. Nothing decisive, but then it is a December by-election in a safe seat. Boris will be relieved, and Starmer can take some comfort.
It might be a very naughty thing to ask, but if this kind of swing were replicated at a GE what would we be looking at?
A 10 point Con-Lab swing would see a Labour majority.
And similarly, flying cows would see us all spattered with cowpats.
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Dunno about dying. Hopefully not. Still feel quite shit tho. Really quite shit.
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Dunno about dying. Hopefully not. Still feel quite shit tho. Really quite shit.
Hope you improve a bit soon.
I’m feeling very unwell too, but that’s not a virus that’s just the amount of marking I’ve had to do in the last week.
The unknown at this point is how it compares in disease severity, and how protective are vaccines and/or prior infection in this respect (they do not seem to be greatly so against infection).
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Dunno about dying. Hopefully not. Still feel quite shit tho. Really quite shit.
Hope you improve a bit soon.
I’m feeling very unwell too, but that’s not a virus that’s just the amount of marking I’ve had to do in the last week.
If you always set the same questions, you will create a black market in tests, which will mean the kids will get all the answers right and save you hours of marking. Thank me later. (Apparently a science teacher at my old school did this in the dim and distant past.) You can also double as an economics or business studies teacher.
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Dunno about dying. Hopefully not. Still feel quite shit tho. Really quite shit.
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Dunno about dying. Hopefully not. Still feel quite shit tho. Really quite shit.
How do you reckon you caught it? Given how panic-stricken your recent posts have been I assumed you were being super-cautious.
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Dunno about dying. Hopefully not. Still feel quite shit tho. Really quite shit.
In the end a good result for Boris then. A solid Conservative hold in Old Bexley and Sidcup with the Conservative voteshare staying over 50%. Although there was a swing to Labour it was also less than would be expected after 11 years of Tory rule in a by election and certainly not high enough for Starmer Labour to be looking likely to win the next general election outright.
ReformUK took 3rd but will be disappointed not to have got a higher voteshare in a seat with demographics made for them. Terrible result for the LDs falling from 3rd to 5th. They will brush it off saying their focus is on North Shropshire but equally even if they win North Shropshire Boris can now dismiss it as a one off Paterson protest vote driven by the LD by electiion machine
Re: the swing to Labour.
Fair to assume there has been tactical voting. Lib Dems got 8.3% of the vote in 2019 + LP 23.5% = 32% combined
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Dunno about dying. Hopefully not. Still feel quite shit tho. Really quite shit.
Hope you improve a bit soon.
I’m feeling very unwell too, but that’s not a virus that’s just the amount of marking I’ve had to do in the last week.
If you always set the same questions, you will create a black market in tests, which will mean the kids will get all the answers right and save you hours of marking. Thank me later. (Apparently a science teacher at my old school did this in the dim and distant past.) You can also double as an economics or business studies teacher.
It doesn't, because you still have to read the answers before deciding if they're right or wrong.
I'm interested to see that even people outside teaching know about the paper setting process for the new GCSE and A-levels though.
Hello everybody. Not quite as cold this morning but it looks like a good day for staying indoors. IMHO OB&S not a 'good' result for anyone, really, apart perhaps for Reform. 'Satisfactory' for Tories and Labour, does suggest that anti-Tory voters are prepared to get behind the likely winner. Poor turnout, though.
This is BEFORE Omicron. With reports that Omicron easily breaks through prior immunity we could be in for the worst wave of Covid yet.
How do you know that’s before Omicron? It may be the first sign of it.
Sequencing to some extent, but it also shows up differently in PCR from Delta owing to an S gene deletion. (PCR tests are usually set up to separately detect more than one gene.) That alone isn’t diagnostic of Omicron, but it’s a very good proxy for differentiating between the two, as other variants with that characteristic are largely gone for now.
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Dunno about dying. Hopefully not. Still feel quite shit tho. Really quite shit.
Have you got an oximeter ?
No oximeter. But I don’t feel breathless at all
Just this brutal fatigue
You wouldn’t necessarily feel breathless - that’s one of the nasty things about Covid. You can have problems and be unaware of it. Get one off Amazon if you can.
Makes the Con hold in Shropshire look attractive odds (just put a few pounds on)...
North Shropshire is a likely Con hold. The LDs could win, especially if it's miserable weather and low turnout, and on the ground organisation becomes key. But it's not particularly likely. Ultimately, it's a rural, leave seat, where the LDs have never had any particular presence.
Con by 15 to 20, and I'd want at least 6-1 to bet on the Libs.
This is BEFORE Omicron. With reports that Omicron easily breaks through prior immunity we could be in for the worst wave of Covid yet.
How do you know that’s before Omicron? It may be the first sign of it.
Omicron is easily spotted by PCR tests. America hasn’t seen much of it.
I hope I’m wrong but we could be in for a perfect winter storm of renewed Delta, followed by Omicron (which busts through prior immunity from infection).
South Africa just recorded 11,500 cases, doubling in 2 days, and up from 300 in mid November. Much faster than Delta. Hospitalisations are tracking this rise. We dunno about deaths yet but they lag, of course
We now have enough data to think: Holy Fucking Shit
This is BEFORE Omicron. With reports that Omicron easily breaks through prior immunity we could be in for the worst wave of Covid yet.
How do you know that’s before Omicron? It may be the first sign of it.
Omicron is easily spotted by PCR tests. America hasn’t seen much of it.
I hope I’m wrong but we could be in for a perfect winter storm of renewed Delta, followed by Omicron (which busts through prior immunity from infection).
South Africa just recorded 11,500 cases, doubling in 2 days, and up from 300 in mid November. Much faster than Delta. Hospitalisations are tracking this rise. We dunno about deaths yet but they lag, of course
We now have enough data to think: Holy Fucking Shit
"Hospitalisations are tracking this rise" - just tracking or is hospitalisation more likely with the new variant? I'd read reports of higher transmissability but lower seriousness. Or do we know yet?
So, Bexley by-election a total non-event. Well, colour me shocked. Must admit that I was wrong when I insisted that RefUK wouldn't even hold its deposit - BUT not by very much (I don't know what OKC is going on about, it was an awful result for Tice.) Labour will at least be encouraged by what looks like the solidification of the Left vote behind it, but it's way too soon to conclude that this would be likely to happen in a GE.
Meanwhile...
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines being used in the UK as boosters give the best overall boost response, according to a UK trial of seven different jabs.
The trial is the first study of how well Covid booster jabs work and justifies the UK's early decision to use these two vaccines for boosters.
All the vaccines tested raised immunity against Covid to some degree.
Researchers said there were promising signs the boosters would still protect against illness and death from Omicron.
I continue to maintain that the actual healthcare impact of Omicron will be limited in the UK. It might actually do more harm to the economy, as the more cautious fraction of the populace sits trembling inside their homes and doesn't go out and do anything until about June.
As to whether we might get clobbered with more rules, I'm in the same place I have been for months: if the hospitals really start to scream it's going to be because they get hit by a load of flu cases on top of the Covid ones, not because of the latter problem on its own.
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Dunno about dying. Hopefully not. Still feel quite shit tho. Really quite shit.
Have you got an oximeter ?
No oximeter. But I don’t feel breathless at all
Just this brutal fatigue
You wouldn’t necessarily feel breathless - that’s one of the nasty things about Covid. You can have problems and be unaware of it. Get one off Amazon if you can.
That is actually a really good idea. We bought a pulse ox device as soon as these instances of people who weren't gasping but had alarmingly low blood oxygen levels started coming to light. They're cheap and effective. Well worth the money.
Very disappointing for RefUK. If not here and now, then where and when?
Hartlepool when they don't get their hospital or even a tory 'hospital' (ie a bus stop in the same street).
Tice, while undoubtedly a parasitic scumbag richly deserving of brutal mob justice, just isn't memorably objectionable enough. They need a different and more meme-worthy leader.
In the end a good result for Boris then. A solid Conservative hold in Old Bexley and Sidcup with the Conservative voteshare staying over 50%. Although there was a swing to Labour it was also less than would be expected after 11 years of Tory rule in a by election and certainly not high enough for Starmer Labour to be looking likely to win the next general election outright.
ReformUK took 3rd but will be disappointed not to have got a higher voteshare in a seat with demographics made for them. Terrible result for the LDs falling from 3rd to 5th. They will brush it off saying their focus is on North Shropshire but equally even if they win North Shropshire Boris can now dismiss it as a one off Paterson protest vote driven by the LD by electiion machine
Boris undoubtedly would say that but you could argue the other way. OB&S is the outlier because it follows the untimely death of a very well liked local MP. Anyway we'll see what happens.
Much like the locals earlier in the year, it seems there's something for everyone here. CON hold, obviously, with a decent but not devastating Labour swing and some tentative signs of an effective anti-tory coalition. Nothing decisive, but then it is a December by-election in a safe seat. Boris will be relieved, and Starmer can take some comfort.
It might be a very naughty thing to ask, but if this kind of swing were replicated at a GE what would we be looking at?
A 10 point Con-Lab swing would see a Labour majority.
And similarly, flying cows would see us all spattered with cowpats.
This is BEFORE Omicron. With reports that Omicron easily breaks through prior immunity we could be in for the worst wave of Covid yet.
How do you know that’s before Omicron? It may be the first sign of it.
Omicron is easily spotted by PCR tests. America hasn’t seen much of it.
I hope I’m wrong but we could be in for a perfect winter storm of renewed Delta, followed by Omicron (which busts through prior immunity from infection).
South Africa just recorded 11,500 cases, doubling in 2 days, and up from 300 in mid November. Much faster than Delta. Hospitalisations are tracking this rise. We dunno about deaths yet but they lag, of course
We now have enough data to think: Holy Fucking Shit
"Hospitalisations are tracking this rise" - just tracking or is hospitalisation more likely with the new variant? I'd read reports of higher transmissability but lower seriousness. Or do we know yet?
Tracking.
“NEW: today’s update from Gauteng, now on a log scale to better show current trajectories.
Steepness of lines shows how much faster the growth in cases and positivity is now vs past waves, and hospital admissions are now steepening too as the acceleration in cases feeds through.”
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Dunno about dying. Hopefully not. Still feel quite shit tho. Really quite shit.
Have you got an oximeter ?
No oximeter. But I don’t feel breathless at all
Just this brutal fatigue
You wouldn’t necessarily feel breathless - that’s one of the nasty things about Covid. You can have problems and be unaware of it. Get one off Amazon if you can.
I just had that exact same thought. How would I even know? You give good advice. Just ordered one 👍
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Dunno about dying. Hopefully not. Still feel quite shit tho. Really quite shit.
Hope you improve a bit soon.
I’m feeling very unwell too, but that’s not a virus that’s just the amount of marking I’ve had to do in the last week.
If you always set the same questions, you will create a black market in tests, which will mean the kids will get all the answers right and save you hours of marking. Thank me later. (Apparently a science teacher at my old school did this in the dim and distant past.) You can also double as an economics or business studies teacher.
It doesn't, because you still have to read the answers before deciding if they're right or wrong.
I'm interested to see that even people outside teaching know about the paper setting process for the new GCSE and A-levels though.
Makes the Con hold in Shropshire look attractive odds (just put a few pounds on)...
North Shropshire is a likely Con hold. The LDs could win, especially if it's miserable weather and low turnout, and on the ground organisation becomes key. But it's not particularly likely. Ultimately, it's a rural, leave seat, where the LDs have never had any particular presence.
Con by 15 to 20, and I'd want at least 6-1 to bet on the Libs.
Much like the locals earlier in the year, it seems there's something for everyone here. CON hold, obviously, with a decent but not devastating Labour swing and some tentative signs of an effective anti-tory coalition. Nothing decisive, but then it is a December by-election in a safe seat. Boris will be relieved, and Starmer can take some comfort.
It might be a very naughty thing to ask, but if this kind of swing were replicated at a GE what would we be looking at?
A 10 point Con-Lab swing would see a Labour majority.
And similarly, flying cows would see us all spattered with cowpats.
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Dunno about dying. Hopefully not. Still feel quite shit tho. Really quite shit.
Hope you improve a bit soon.
I’m feeling very unwell too, but that’s not a virus that’s just the amount of marking I’ve had to do in the last week.
If you always set the same questions, you will create a black market in tests, which will mean the kids will get all the answers right and save you hours of marking. Thank me later. (Apparently a science teacher at my old school did this in the dim and distant past.) You can also double as an economics or business studies teacher.
It doesn't, because you still have to read the answers before deciding if they're right or wrong.
I'm interested to see that even people outside teaching know about the paper setting process for the new GCSE and A-levels though.
Wait.
Teachers read the shit I submitted as 'homework'?
Poor bastards.
It's one reason why we deserve an enormous pay rise.
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Dunno about dying. Hopefully not. Still feel quite shit tho. Really quite shit.
Hope you improve a bit soon.
I’m feeling very unwell too, but that’s not a virus that’s just the amount of marking I’ve had to do in the last week.
If you always set the same questions, you will create a black market in tests, which will mean the kids will get all the answers right and save you hours of marking. Thank me later. (Apparently a science teacher at my old school did this in the dim and distant past.) You can also double as an economics or business studies teacher.
It doesn't, because you still have to read the answers before deciding if they're right or wrong.
I'm interested to see that even people outside teaching know about the paper setting process for the new GCSE and A-levels though.
Wait.
Teachers read the shit I submitted as 'homework'?
Poor bastards.
It's one reason why we deserve an enormous pay rise.
Or quit the profession.
There's something worse; Eldest Granddaughter will NEVER mark A level exam papers again apparently. She's moved away from teaching now, though.
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Dunno about dying. Hopefully not. Still feel quite shit tho. Really quite shit.
Have you got an oximeter ?
No oximeter. But I don’t feel breathless at all
Just this brutal fatigue
You wouldn’t necessarily feel breathless - that’s one of the nasty things about Covid. You can have problems and be unaware of it. Get one off Amazon if you can.
That is actually a really good idea. We bought a pulse ox device as soon as these instances of people who weren't gasping but had alarmingly low blood oxygen levels started coming to light. They're cheap and effective. Well worth the money.
During my Delta the periods of greatest fatigue coincided with the lowest sats reading. In my case, the NHS got one to me, I think because I am on the higher risk list as I don't think everyone gets one. I was then monitored remotely by the surgery - they sent me a text every day with a link to a website to enter the figures
This is BEFORE Omicron. With reports that Omicron easily breaks through prior immunity we could be in for the worst wave of Covid yet.
How do you know that’s before Omicron? It may be the first sign of it.
Omicron is easily spotted by PCR tests. America hasn’t seen much of it.
I hope I’m wrong but we could be in for a perfect winter storm of renewed Delta, followed by Omicron (which busts through prior immunity from infection).
South Africa just recorded 11,500 cases, doubling in 2 days, and up from 300 in mid November. Much faster than Delta. Hospitalisations are tracking this rise. We dunno about deaths yet but they lag, of course
We now have enough data to think: Holy Fucking Shit
"Hospitalisations are tracking this rise" - just tracking or is hospitalisation more likely with the new variant? I'd read reports of higher transmissability but lower seriousness. Or do we know yet?
Tracking.
“NEW: today’s update from Gauteng, now on a log scale to better show current trajectories.
Steepness of lines shows how much faster the growth in cases and positivity is now vs past waves, and hospital admissions are now steepening too as the acceleration in cases feeds through.”
Even if Omicron is less severe, it still has a terrible potential to crash health systems, by the sheer number of people it infects.
However, early indications suggest it might be just as severe as Delta
It's worth bearing in mind that if the apparent overall severity were the same, and if for Omicron a larger proportion of those infected were vaccinated, then - assuming that vaccination still gave some protection - the intrinsic severity would be greater. For example, the severity among the unvaccinated.
The unknown at this point is how it compares in disease severity, and how protective are vaccines and/or prior infection in this respect (they do not seem to be greatly so against infection).
Jesus. That’s one depressing thread
At one point he speculates that Omicron might have an R of 40, making it the most infectious disease in the history of the universe, but then he falls back on the (much more likely) answer that it is simultaneously more transmissible (4-6 x Delta?) PLUS it is highly reinfective.
Basically, the virus ran out of people to infect, for the first time, in SA, so it learned how to come back and duff them up all over again
This is BEFORE Omicron. With reports that Omicron easily breaks through prior immunity we could be in for the worst wave of Covid yet.
How do you know that’s before Omicron? It may be the first sign of it.
Omicron is easily spotted by PCR tests. America hasn’t seen much of it.
I hope I’m wrong but we could be in for a perfect winter storm of renewed Delta, followed by Omicron (which busts through prior immunity from infection).
South Africa just recorded 11,500 cases, doubling in 2 days, and up from 300 in mid November. Much faster than Delta. Hospitalisations are tracking this rise. We dunno about deaths yet but they lag, of course
We now have enough data to think: Holy Fucking Shit
"Hospitalisations are tracking this rise" - just tracking or is hospitalisation more likely with the new variant? I'd read reports of higher transmissability but lower seriousness. Or do we know yet?
Tracking.
“NEW: today’s update from Gauteng, now on a log scale to better show current trajectories.
Steepness of lines shows how much faster the growth in cases and positivity is now vs past waves, and hospital admissions are now steepening too as the acceleration in cases feeds through.”
Even if Omicron is less severe, it still has a terrible potential to crash health systems, by the sheer number of people it infects.
However, early indications suggest it might be just as severe as Delta
Some people are glass-half-full people: "Hey, I'll have a little more!"
Some people are glass-half-empty people: "Ooooh, I'd better nurse this!"
Leon is an: "Ohmigod where did all the liquid go from the glass? I can't remember drinking any; it's a sign! An omen! Run, people, away from this den of iniquity! Save yourselves! The liquid has gone, and is going to take over the world! The UAPs are sucking the nectar from our glasses using invisible straws! Run! Run for your lives!"
This is BEFORE Omicron. With reports that Omicron easily breaks through prior immunity we could be in for the worst wave of Covid yet.
How do you know that’s before Omicron? It may be the first sign of it.
Omicron is easily spotted by PCR tests. America hasn’t seen much of it.
I hope I’m wrong but we could be in for a perfect winter storm of renewed Delta, followed by Omicron (which busts through prior immunity from infection).
South Africa just recorded 11,500 cases, doubling in 2 days, and up from 300 in mid November. Much faster than Delta. Hospitalisations are tracking this rise. We dunno about deaths yet but they lag, of course
We now have enough data to think: Holy Fucking Shit
"Hospitalisations are tracking this rise" - just tracking or is hospitalisation more likely with the new variant? I'd read reports of higher transmissability but lower seriousness. Or do we know yet?
Tracking.
“NEW: today’s update from Gauteng, now on a log scale to better show current trajectories.
Steepness of lines shows how much faster the growth in cases and positivity is now vs past waves, and hospital admissions are now steepening too as the acceleration in cases feeds through.”
Even if Omicron is less severe, it still has a terrible potential to crash health systems, by the sheer number of people it infects.
However, early indications suggest it might be just as severe as Delta
It's worth bearing in mind that if the apparent overall severity were the same, and if for Omicron a larger proportion of those infected were vaccinated, then - assuming that vaccination still gave some protection - the intrinsic severity would be greater. For example, the severity among the unvaccinated.
So, Bexley by-election a total non-event. Well, colour me shocked. Must admit that I was wrong when I insisted that RefUK wouldn't even hold its deposit - BUT not by very much (I don't know what OKC is going on about, it was an awful result for Tice.) Labour will at least be encouraged by what looks like the solidification of the Left vote behind it, but it's way too soon to conclude that this would be likely to happen in a GE.
Meanwhile...
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines being used in the UK as boosters give the best overall boost response, according to a UK trial of seven different jabs.
The trial is the first study of how well Covid booster jabs work and justifies the UK's early decision to use these two vaccines for boosters.
All the vaccines tested raised immunity against Covid to some degree.
Researchers said there were promising signs the boosters would still protect against illness and death from Omicron.
I continue to maintain that the actual healthcare impact of Omicron will be limited in the UK. It might actually do more harm to the economy, as the more cautious fraction of the populace sits trembling inside their homes and doesn't go out and do anything until about June.
As to whether we might get clobbered with more rules, I'm in the same place I have been for months: if the hospitals really start to scream it's going to be because they get hit by a load of flu cases on top of the Covid ones, not because of the latter problem on its own.
Just been listening to R4 on this. Ra Ra Pfizer.
No context as to how the results relate to eg Az Az Pf or Mo Mo Az.
Much like the locals earlier in the year, it seems there's something for everyone here. CON hold, obviously, with a decent but not devastating Labour swing and some tentative signs of an effective anti-tory coalition. Nothing decisive, but then it is a December by-election in a safe seat. Boris will be relieved, and Starmer can take some comfort.
It might be a very naughty thing to ask, but if this kind of swing were replicated at a GE what would we be looking at?
A 10 point Con-Lab swing would see a Labour majority.
And similarly, flying cows would see us all spattered with cowpats.
Edit: I think I did that slightly wrong but that's the general vibe of it.
Edit again: Hang on, no, I only did half the swing didn't I
A 9 point UNS is required for a Labour majority of 1.
Leaving aside the fact that UNS is like a Dawkinsian conception of God* only one leader has managed that since 1945 - Tony Blair in 1997
And that is because it's much harder to achieve huge swings across 650 seats than across 1.
*it's a bizarre figure made up to justify some weird contortions of logic.
Politically the necessary swing needed is nothing to do with a Labour majority - which isn't going to happen, or at least has a lower than 5% chance of happening (if this were wrong the OB&B result would have been something other than predictable and dull) but what is necessary for the Tories to lose enough seats that they can no longer govern, and ditto what is necessary for Labour to lead a sustainable rainbow alliance.
The Lab majority requires Attlee/Blair to lead the Labour party, the alliance option second is a 40%+ chance and could happen if there were a GE tomorrow; also there is quite a range of realistic results which lead to no coherent government.
Much like the locals earlier in the year, it seems there's something for everyone here. CON hold, obviously, with a decent but not devastating Labour swing and some tentative signs of an effective anti-tory coalition. Nothing decisive, but then it is a December by-election in a safe seat. Boris will be relieved, and Starmer can take some comfort.
It might be a very naughty thing to ask, but if this kind of swing were replicated at a GE what would we be looking at?
A 10 point Con-Lab swing would see a Labour majority.
And similarly, flying cows would see us all spattered with cowpats.
Edit: I think I did that slightly wrong but that's the general vibe of it.
Edit again: Hang on, no, I only did half the swing didn't I
A 9 point UNS is required for a Labour majority of 1.
Leaving aside the fact that UNS is like a Dawkinsian conception of God* only one leader has managed that since 1945 - Tony Blair in 1997
And that is because it's much harder to achieve huge swings across 650 seats than across 1.
*it's a bizarre figure made up to justify some weird contortions of logic.
I prefer Dawkinsite, as it reminds me of an ET from early-ish Asimov called a Hawkinsite which had to carry a bottle of Cyanide gas around to breathe, as that was the atmosphere on its home planet.
So, Bexley by-election a total non-event. Well, colour me shocked. Must admit that I was wrong when I insisted that RefUK wouldn't even hold its deposit - BUT not by very much (I don't know what OKC is going on about, it was an awful result for Tice.) Labour will at least be encouraged by what looks like the solidification of the Left vote behind it, but it's way too soon to conclude that this would be likely to happen in a GE.
Meanwhile...
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines being used in the UK as boosters give the best overall boost response, according to a UK trial of seven different jabs.
The trial is the first study of how well Covid booster jabs work and justifies the UK's early decision to use these two vaccines for boosters.
All the vaccines tested raised immunity against Covid to some degree.
Researchers said there were promising signs the boosters would still protect against illness and death from Omicron.
I continue to maintain that the actual healthcare impact of Omicron will be limited in the UK. It might actually do more harm to the economy, as the more cautious fraction of the populace sits trembling inside their homes and doesn't go out and do anything until about June.
As to whether we might get clobbered with more rules, I'm in the same place I have been for months: if the hospitals really start to scream it's going to be because they get hit by a load of flu cases on top of the Covid ones, not because of the latter problem on its own.
Just been listening to R4 on this. Ra Ra Pfizer.
No context as to how the results relate to eg Az Az Pf or Mo Mo Az.
Does anyone know?
I’ve been reading a lot in my sickbed - so I forget the source, sorry - but I read this last hour that the ultimate combo is thought to be AZ AZ MO
Partly because you get a full whack of Mo
But all the combos are great against covid - with the major caveat that we don’t know how good they are against Omicron
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Dunno about dying. Hopefully not. Still feel quite shit tho. Really quite shit.
Have you got an oximeter ?
Do you get one of those with a blood pressure meter?
Interesting now there is the counter factual in Europe on removal of civil liberties on the unvaccinated rather than for all. Seems a no brainer to me, hopefully Bozza isn’t too lily livered with his “we’re all in this together” mindset to do the same if it comes to it. The data does seem to be leaning pretty strongly that way (ie. high breakthrough for natural immunity, low for up to date vaxxed).
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Dunno about dying. Hopefully not. Still feel quite shit tho. Really quite shit.
Have you got an oximeter ?
Do you get one of those with a blood pressure meter?
Well I got the Green and LD figures spot on at 4% and 3% respectively, and the fact the Greens would be ahead of the LDs.
But other than that, mine wasn't a very good prediction. Seriously overestimated the traction both Labour and Refuk would get and underestimated the Tory share.
Refuk are truly a dead duck joke of a party. Couldn't get a much more sympathetic seat, with their 'leader' running, in a by-election where the voters can give the government a risk free kicking and this is the paltry amount they get? They're not going to even feature remotely at a General Election.
Interesting to speculate what a highly transmissible, highly reinfective Omicron might do to the world. It will surely sweep through every continent in months if not weeks
It will mightily impact unvaxxed countries but it won’t be great for vaxxed, unless they have brilliant booster campaigns and they can somehow protect the unjabbed entirely
Anyone who thinks they are immune due to prior infection must now rethink
Well I got the Green and LD figures spot on at 4% and 3% respectively, and the fact the Greens would be ahead of the LDs.
But other than that, mine wasn't a very good prediction. Seriously overestimated the traction both Labour and Refuk would get and underestimated the Tory share.
Refuk are truly a dead duck joke of a party. Couldn't get a much more sympathetic seat, with their 'leader' running, in a by-election where the voters can give the government a risk free kicking and this is the paltry amount they get? They're not going to even feature remotely at a General Election.
Got to say that it's a good night for the Tories, Boris is currently keeping all the Leave voters onside.
I calculated my VO2max on Zwift yesterday to see if I had symptomless Covid and didn't know it. With 300W power for 6 minutes and weighing 69kg I got 54ml/(kg.min). That's the best I've done in three years so I don't have Covid yet. Remco Evenpoel can do 80+.
It'll almost certainly be the final time my VO2Max is equal to (or greater than) my age.
So, Bexley by-election a total non-event. Well, colour me shocked. Must admit that I was wrong when I insisted that RefUK wouldn't even hold its deposit - BUT not by very much (I don't know what OKC is going on about, it was an awful result for Tice.) Labour will at least be encouraged by what looks like the solidification of the Left vote behind it, but it's way too soon to conclude that this would be likely to happen in a GE.
Meanwhile...
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines being used in the UK as boosters give the best overall boost response, according to a UK trial of seven different jabs.
The trial is the first study of how well Covid booster jabs work and justifies the UK's early decision to use these two vaccines for boosters.
All the vaccines tested raised immunity against Covid to some degree.
Researchers said there were promising signs the boosters would still protect against illness and death from Omicron.
I continue to maintain that the actual healthcare impact of Omicron will be limited in the UK. It might actually do more harm to the economy, as the more cautious fraction of the populace sits trembling inside their homes and doesn't go out and do anything until about June.
As to whether we might get clobbered with more rules, I'm in the same place I have been for months: if the hospitals really start to scream it's going to be because they get hit by a load of flu cases on top of the Covid ones, not because of the latter problem on its own.
Just been listening to R4 on this. Ra Ra Pfizer.
No context as to how the results relate to eg Az Az Pf or Mo Mo Az.
Does anyone know?
I’ve been reading a lot in my sickbed - so I forget the source, sorry - but I read this last hour that the ultimate combo is thought to be AZ AZ MO
Partly because you get a full whack of Mo
But all the combos are great against covid - with the major caveat that we don’t know how good they are against Omicron
According to the leaflet the NHS gave me yesterday, Moderna boosters are half doses.
So, Bexley by-election a total non-event. Well, colour me shocked. Must admit that I was wrong when I insisted that RefUK wouldn't even hold its deposit - BUT not by very much (I don't know what OKC is going on about, it was an awful result for Tice.) Labour will at least be encouraged by what looks like the solidification of the Left vote behind it, but it's way too soon to conclude that this would be likely to happen in a GE.
Meanwhile...
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines being used in the UK as boosters give the best overall boost response, according to a UK trial of seven different jabs.
The trial is the first study of how well Covid booster jabs work and justifies the UK's early decision to use these two vaccines for boosters.
All the vaccines tested raised immunity against Covid to some degree.
Researchers said there were promising signs the boosters would still protect against illness and death from Omicron.
I continue to maintain that the actual healthcare impact of Omicron will be limited in the UK. It might actually do more harm to the economy, as the more cautious fraction of the populace sits trembling inside their homes and doesn't go out and do anything until about June.
As to whether we might get clobbered with more rules, I'm in the same place I have been for months: if the hospitals really start to scream it's going to be because they get hit by a load of flu cases on top of the Covid ones, not because of the latter problem on its own.
Just been listening to R4 on this. Ra Ra Pfizer.
No context as to how the results relate to eg Az Az Pf or Mo Mo Az.
Does anyone know?
I’ve been reading a lot in my sickbed - so I forget the source, sorry - but I read this last hour that the ultimate combo is thought to be AZ AZ MO
Partly because you get a full whack of Mo
But all the combos are great against covid - with the major caveat that we don’t know how good they are against Omicron
According to the leaflet the NHS gave me yesterday, Moderna boosters are half doses.
My vaccinator told me mine was a full whack. Interesting. Perhaps they are now rationing to get as many boosters done as possible before Omicron hits?
Makes sense if they are. We are in (yet another) race
The Tories remain the default govt in England. Still a long hard road for Starmer
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
You still dying? I'm hoping for a phone consultation with the quack.
Dunno about dying. Hopefully not. Still feel quite shit tho. Really quite shit.
Hope you improve a bit soon.
I’m feeling very unwell too, but that’s not a virus that’s just the amount of marking I’ve had to do in the last week.
If you always set the same questions, you will create a black market in tests, which will mean the kids will get all the answers right and save you hours of marking. Thank me later. (Apparently a science teacher at my old school did this in the dim and distant past.) You can also double as an economics or business studies teacher.
It doesn't, because you still have to read the answers before deciding if they're right or wrong.
I'm interested to see that even people outside teaching know about the paper setting process for the new GCSE and A-levels though.
So, Bexley by-election a total non-event. Well, colour me shocked. Must admit that I was wrong when I insisted that RefUK wouldn't even hold its deposit - BUT not by very much (I don't know what OKC is going on about, it was an awful result for Tice.) Labour will at least be encouraged by what looks like the solidification of the Left vote behind it, but it's way too soon to conclude that this would be likely to happen in a GE.
Meanwhile...
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines being used in the UK as boosters give the best overall boost response, according to a UK trial of seven different jabs.
The trial is the first study of how well Covid booster jabs work and justifies the UK's early decision to use these two vaccines for boosters.
All the vaccines tested raised immunity against Covid to some degree.
Researchers said there were promising signs the boosters would still protect against illness and death from Omicron.
I continue to maintain that the actual healthcare impact of Omicron will be limited in the UK. It might actually do more harm to the economy, as the more cautious fraction of the populace sits trembling inside their homes and doesn't go out and do anything until about June.
As to whether we might get clobbered with more rules, I'm in the same place I have been for months: if the hospitals really start to scream it's going to be because they get hit by a load of flu cases on top of the Covid ones, not because of the latter problem on its own.
Just been listening to R4 on this. Ra Ra Pfizer.
No context as to how the results relate to eg Az Az Pf or Mo Mo Az.
Does anyone know?
I’ve been reading a lot in my sickbed - so I forget the source, sorry - but I read this last hour that the ultimate combo is thought to be AZ AZ MO
Partly because you get a full whack of Mo
But all the combos are great against covid - with the major caveat that we don’t know how good they are against Omicron
According to the leaflet the NHS gave me yesterday, Moderna boosters are half doses.
I wonder how the "use less paper" Green KPI is coming along this year in the NHS
Well I got the Green and LD figures spot on at 4% and 3% respectively, and the fact the Greens would be ahead of the LDs.
But other than that, mine wasn't a very good prediction. Seriously overestimated the traction both Labour and Refuk would get and underestimated the Tory share.
Refuk are truly a dead duck joke of a party. Couldn't get a much more sympathetic seat, with their 'leader' running, in a by-election where the voters can give the government a risk free kicking and this is the paltry amount they get? They're not going to even feature remotely at a General Election.
Got to say that it's a good night for the Tories, Boris is currently keeping all the Leave voters onside.
Broadly agree. But SKS's strategy can be misleading. Obviously his approach - attack the Tories, try to avoid unforced errors, give no hostages by having policies - cannot win (326+ seats) an election; but much less is required to decapitate the Tories. Labour can't win an extra 125 seats, but Lab, LD, SNP and Green can fairly easily win the 55 or so required make a Tory government impossible.
Lots of people are missing the fact that this is the SKS strategy. He is absolutely on track to have a 40%+ chance of success.
ATM his biggest problem - "vote Labour, get SNP running the country" - is one he can ignore while consolidating his position. As long as he can pretend his objective is 326 seats he does not have to address it.
If the LDs do well in NS then without winning either seat the non-Tory alliance will have had a good month.
Interesting to speculate what a highly transmissible, highly reinfective Omicron might do to the world. It will surely sweep through every continent in months if not weeks
It will mightily impact unvaxxed countries but it won’t be great for vaxxed, unless they have brilliant booster campaigns and they can somehow protect the unjabbed entirely
Anyone who thinks they are immune due to prior infection must now rethink
Will lockdowns even work against this variant?
One thing to remember (learn?) is that reinfections tend to be milder, and this will likely be the case here too.
In the end a good result for Boris then. A solid Conservative hold in Old Bexley and Sidcup with the Conservative voteshare staying over 50%. Although there was a swing to Labour it was also less than would be expected after 11 years of Tory rule in a by election and certainly not high enough for Starmer Labour to be looking likely to win the next general election outright.
ReformUK took 3rd but will be disappointed not to have got a higher voteshare in a seat with demographics made for them. Terrible result for the LDs falling from 3rd to 5th. They will brush it off saying their focus is on North Shropshire but equally even if they win North Shropshire Boris can now dismiss it as a one off Paterson protest vote driven by the LD by electiion machine
Sound analysis, and good prediction.
This is a tremendous result for Boris Johnson. Less good for his party, and appalling for the country.
The next GE looks sewn up, unless BJ has another few Peppa Pig moments. His advisors really ought to lock him in a broom cupboard for a couple of years.
ReformUK effectively dead men walking.
LDs still a total joke.
Labour really need to find some traction and some fire in their bellies. They just look so peely wallie.
Interesting to speculate what a highly transmissible, highly reinfective Omicron might do to the world. It will surely sweep through every continent in months if not weeks
It will mightily impact unvaxxed countries but it won’t be great for vaxxed, unless they have brilliant booster campaigns and they can somehow protect the unjabbed entirely
Anyone who thinks they are immune due to prior infection must now rethink
Will lockdowns even work against this variant?
There was a cartoon in a mainstream UK publication, possibly Punch, in the early days of AIDS, of God addressing a cabinet meeting of angels and saying "OK that's fixed the queers, let's move on to estate agents." One point being it's genuinely shocking to think anyone ever thought that was permissible, the other that this looks very like a Let's move on to anti vaxxers variant. I imagine it could in principle have been the other way round- prior infection effective, vax not - which would have given them a terrific boost.
Well I got the Green and LD figures spot on at 4% and 3% respectively, and the fact the Greens would be ahead of the LDs.
But other than that, mine wasn't a very good prediction. Seriously overestimated the traction both Labour and Refuk would get and underestimated the Tory share.
Refuk are truly a dead duck joke of a party. Couldn't get a much more sympathetic seat, with their 'leader' running, in a by-election where the voters can give the government a risk free kicking and this is the paltry amount they get? They're not going to even feature remotely at a General Election.
Got to say that it's a good night for the Tories, Boris is currently keeping all the Leave voters onside.
Broadly agree. But SKS's strategy can be misleading. Obviously his approach - attack the Tories, try to avoid unforced errors, give no hostages by having policies - cannot win (326+ seats) an election; but much less is required to decapitate the Tories. Labour can't win an extra 125 seats, but Lab, LD, SNP and Green can fairly easily win the 55 or so required make a Tory government impossible.
Lots of people are missing the fact that this is the SKS strategy. He is absolutely on track to have a 40%+ chance of success.
ATM his biggest problem - "vote Labour, get SNP running the country" - is one he can ignore while consolidating his position. As long as he can pretend his objective is 326 seats he does not have to address it.
If the LDs do well in NS then without winning either seat the non-Tory alliance will have had a good month.
He'll have policies when there's an election, just not in mid-term. This is standard and correct politics. The only reason you'd be announcing policies at this point would be:
1) To address a fundamental branding problem by showing you'll do something you wouldn't have done before 2) As a concession in an internal party fight, because it's the only way to get some faction to STFU
Well I got the Green and LD figures spot on at 4% and 3% respectively, and the fact the Greens would be ahead of the LDs.
But other than that, mine wasn't a very good prediction. Seriously overestimated the traction both Labour and Refuk would get and underestimated the Tory share.
Refuk are truly a dead duck joke of a party. Couldn't get a much more sympathetic seat, with their 'leader' running, in a by-election where the voters can give the government a risk free kicking and this is the paltry amount they get? They're not going to even feature remotely at a General Election.
Got to say that it's a good night for the Tories, Boris is currently keeping all the Leave voters onside.
Broadly agree. But SKS's strategy can be misleading. Obviously his approach - attack the Tories, try to avoid unforced errors, give no hostages by having policies - cannot win (326+ seats) an election; but much less is required to decapitate the Tories. Labour can't win an extra 125 seats, but Lab, LD, SNP and Green can fairly easily win the 55 or so required make a Tory government impossible.
Lots of people are missing the fact that this is the SKS strategy. He is absolutely on track to have a 40%+ chance of success.
ATM his biggest problem - "vote Labour, get SNP running the country" - is one he can ignore while consolidating his position. As long as he can pretend his objective is 326 seats he does not have to address it.
If the LDs do well in NS then without winning either seat the non-Tory alliance will have had a good month.
Agree this is his strategy, but he’ll have to address the SNP somehow. I suggested a month or so ago that he publicly target a “magnificent 7” set of seats of Scotland as to demonstrate that Scotland is central to his playbook and that he is not soft on the SNP.
Looks like I got Old Bexley and Sidcup spot on so let me try for North Shropshire.
The unknown at this point is how it compares in disease severity, and how protective are vaccines and/or prior infection in this respect (they do not seem to be greatly so against infection).
Jesus. That’s one depressing thread
At one point he speculates that Omicron might have an R of 40, making it the most infectious disease in the history of the universe, but then he falls back on the (much more likely) answer that it is simultaneously more transmissible (4-6 x Delta?) PLUS it is highly reinfective.
Basically, the virus ran out of people to infect, for the first time, in SA, so it learned how to come back and duff them up all over again
If that's the case then the booster isn't going to cut it - we need a new vaccine...
So, Bexley by-election a total non-event. Well, colour me shocked. Must admit that I was wrong when I insisted that RefUK wouldn't even hold its deposit - BUT not by very much (I don't know what OKC is going on about, it was an awful result for Tice.) Labour will at least be encouraged by what looks like the solidification of the Left vote behind it, but it's way too soon to conclude that this would be likely to happen in a GE.
Meanwhile...
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines being used in the UK as boosters give the best overall boost response, according to a UK trial of seven different jabs.
The trial is the first study of how well Covid booster jabs work and justifies the UK's early decision to use these two vaccines for boosters.
All the vaccines tested raised immunity against Covid to some degree.
Researchers said there were promising signs the boosters would still protect against illness and death from Omicron.
I continue to maintain that the actual healthcare impact of Omicron will be limited in the UK. It might actually do more harm to the economy, as the more cautious fraction of the populace sits trembling inside their homes and doesn't go out and do anything until about June.
As to whether we might get clobbered with more rules, I'm in the same place I have been for months: if the hospitals really start to scream it's going to be because they get hit by a load of flu cases on top of the Covid ones, not because of the latter problem on its own.
Just been listening to R4 on this. Ra Ra Pfizer.
No context as to how the results relate to eg Az Az Pf or Mo Mo Az.
Does anyone know?
I’ve been reading a lot in my sickbed - so I forget the source, sorry - but I read this last hour that the ultimate combo is thought to be AZ AZ MO
Partly because you get a full whack of Mo
But all the combos are great against covid - with the major caveat that we don’t know how good they are against Omicron
According to the leaflet the NHS gave me yesterday, Moderna boosters are half doses.
Which is fine. The original Moderna dose is around double that of Pfizer. They also tested half dose boosters of Pfizer - and the effect was close to that of the full dose. Which is very goood news in terms of a worldwide booster program.
Interesting to speculate what a highly transmissible, highly reinfective Omicron might do to the world. It will surely sweep through every continent in months if not weeks
It will mightily impact unvaxxed countries but it won’t be great for vaxxed, unless they have brilliant booster campaigns and they can somehow protect the unjabbed entirely
Anyone who thinks they are immune due to prior infection must now rethink
Will lockdowns even work against this variant?
One thing to remember (learn?) is that reinfections tend to be milder, and this will likely be the case here too.
It’s too early to say for sure, but the steep rise in hospitalisations in Gauteng suggests otherwise. It is thought many of them are reinfections
We just don’t know for certain. Every day tells us more. In 2-3 weeks we will get the first Omicron deaths. Perhaps it will be more transmissible and reinfective but less lethal? 🙏
Well I got the Green and LD figures spot on at 4% and 3% respectively, and the fact the Greens would be ahead of the LDs.
But other than that, mine wasn't a very good prediction. Seriously overestimated the traction both Labour and Refuk would get and underestimated the Tory share.
Refuk are truly a dead duck joke of a party. Couldn't get a much more sympathetic seat, with their 'leader' running, in a by-election where the voters can give the government a risk free kicking and this is the paltry amount they get? They're not going to even feature remotely at a General Election.
Got to say that it's a good night for the Tories, Boris is currently keeping all the Leave voters onside.
Aside from all the ones who refused to vote for anyone. Ok so it's a by-election and turnout is always lower, but as I keep saying the Tories are screwed if even a moderate proportion of their 2019 vote decides to abstain next time.
Well I got the Green and LD figures spot on at 4% and 3% respectively, and the fact the Greens would be ahead of the LDs.
But other than that, mine wasn't a very good prediction. Seriously overestimated the traction both Labour and Refuk would get and underestimated the Tory share.
Refuk are truly a dead duck joke of a party. Couldn't get a much more sympathetic seat, with their 'leader' running, in a by-election where the voters can give the government a risk free kicking and this is the paltry amount they get? They're not going to even feature remotely at a General Election.
Got to say that it's a good night for the Tories, Boris is currently keeping all the Leave voters onside.
Broadly agree. But SKS's strategy can be misleading. Obviously his approach - attack the Tories, try to avoid unforced errors, give no hostages by having policies - cannot win (326+ seats) an election; but much less is required to decapitate the Tories. Labour can't win an extra 125 seats, but Lab, LD, SNP and Green can fairly easily win the 55 or so required make a Tory government impossible.
Lots of people are missing the fact that this is the SKS strategy. He is absolutely on track to have a 40%+ chance of success.
ATM his biggest problem - "vote Labour, get SNP running the country" - is one he can ignore while consolidating his position. As long as he can pretend his objective is 326 seats he does not have to address it.
If the LDs do well in NS then without winning either seat the non-Tory alliance will have had a good month.
He'll have policies when there's an election, just not in mid-term. This is standard and correct politics. The only reason you'd be announcing policies at this point would be:
1) To address a fundamental branding problem by showing you'll do something you wouldn't have done before 2) As a concession in an internal party fight, because it's the only way to get some faction to STFU
He doesn't need detailed policies years before an election, but he does need something he stands for. Do the broad strokes now, fill the details in later.
Right now we have nothing, an empty vase. That's not a good look.
Interesting to speculate what a highly transmissible, highly reinfective Omicron might do to the world. It will surely sweep through every continent in months if not weeks
It will mightily impact unvaxxed countries but it won’t be great for vaxxed, unless they have brilliant booster campaigns and they can somehow protect the unjabbed entirely
Anyone who thinks they are immune due to prior infection must now rethink
Will lockdowns even work against this variant?
One thing to remember (learn?) is that reinfections tend to be milder, and this will likely be the case here too.
It’s too early to say for sure, but the steep rise in hospitalisations in Gauteng suggests otherwise. It is thought many of them are reinfections
We just don’t know for certain. Every day tells us more. In 2-3 weeks we will get the first Omicron deaths. Perhaps it will be more transmissible and reinfective but less lethal? 🙏
I’m wary of SA anecdata. Some are implying that everyone in as has had Covid, but I recall such claims have been made before, and been wildly wrong. Antibody testing is the only true test.
The unknown at this point is how it compares in disease severity, and how protective are vaccines and/or prior infection in this respect (they do not seem to be greatly so against infection).
Jesus. That’s one depressing thread
At one point he speculates that Omicron might have an R of 40, making it the most infectious disease in the history of the universe, but then he falls back on the (much more likely) answer that it is simultaneously more transmissible (4-6 x Delta?) PLUS it is highly reinfective.
Basically, the virus ran out of people to infect, for the first time, in SA, so it learned how to come back and duff them up all over again
If that's the case then the booster isn't going to cut it - we need a new vaccine...
Too late for that to make much difference to the current wave, in all likelihood. A crash program to increase production of the Pfizer antiviral might help.
Interesting to speculate what a highly transmissible, highly reinfective Omicron might do to the world. It will surely sweep through every continent in months if not weeks
It will mightily impact unvaxxed countries but it won’t be great for vaxxed, unless they have brilliant booster campaigns and they can somehow protect the unjabbed entirely
Anyone who thinks they are immune due to prior infection must now rethink
Will lockdowns even work against this variant?
There was a cartoon in a mainstream UK publication, possibly Punch, in the early days of AIDS, of God addressing a cabinet meeting of angels and saying "OK that's fixed the queers, let's move on to estate agents." One point being it's genuinely shocking to think anyone ever thought that was permissible, the other that this looks very like a Let's move on to anti vaxxers variant. I imagine it could in principle have been the other way round- prior infection effective, vax not - which would have given them a terrific boost.
When AIDS became red hot news homosexual practice had been a crime during the formative years of the overwhelming majority of adults, and its decriminalising was seen by most as just that - something which allowed something which was socially not great and sub optimal but shouldn't be a crime. Like how many PBers including me feel about drug legalisation now. The mid 1980's is, culturally, a foreign country, where they do things differently. Hence the cartoon.
The unknown at this point is how it compares in disease severity, and how protective are vaccines and/or prior infection in this respect (they do not seem to be greatly so against infection).
Jesus. That’s one depressing thread
At one point he speculates that Omicron might have an R of 40, making it the most infectious disease in the history of the universe, but then he falls back on the (much more likely) answer that it is simultaneously more transmissible (4-6 x Delta?) PLUS it is highly reinfective.
Basically, the virus ran out of people to infect, for the first time, in SA, so it learned how to come back and duff them up all over again
If that's the case then the booster isn't going to cut it - we need a new vaccine...
That’s his conclusion. He says in the face of Omicron a booster today gives you as much protection as a 2nd jab 6 months ago v delta
Still definitely worth having but not the cure-all we hoped
So we will need tweaked vaccines and continuously improved therapies (and they are improving all the time). But we’re looking at a rough winter until then
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Previous infection not protection against omicron
Lab: not great result, but not very fertile territory. Poor, but not disastrous.
Reform: despite throwing everything at the seat, totally failed to get traction. Very poor result.
Green: held up well, but small numbers
LD: poor result, but really only next week's by-election matters.
Labour gets the paper LD candidate share but not much more, most people staying at home
If not here and now, then where and when?
Tice gets his deposit back, unlike the Lib Dems.
New political parties are extremely common.
Breakthrough political parties are extremely rare.
The only ones that spring to mind are Sinn Féin (1910s), Labour (1924-29) and the Scottish National Party (1970s). Of those, only SF made their breakthrough within a decade of foundation.
All other parties either evolved slowly over time or broke off from other established parties.
Note that all three mentioned grew out of very powerful “movements” before they became political parties. Cf contemporary Green parties…
ReformUK took 3rd but will be disappointed not to have got a higher voteshare in a seat with demographics made for them. Terrible result for the LDs falling from 3rd to 5th. They will brush it off saying their focus is on North Shropshire but equally even if they win North Shropshire Boris can now dismiss it as a one off Paterson protest vote driven by the LD by electiion machine
Con by 15 to 20, and I'd want at least 6-1 to bet on the Libs.
A piece of life advice: when a child is three, don't teach him the lyrics of 'Jingle Bells' as:
"Jingle bells,
Mummy smells,
Daddy ran away,
Oh what fun it is to be,
Away from mummy's smell!"
As he'll be repeating it every Christmas for at least the next four years. Including at school ...
It might be a very naughty thing to ask, but if this kind of swing were replicated at a GE what would we be looking at?
The really impressive breakthrough into nowhere is by Rejoin EU, with 0.69% of the vote. That’s a movement on the march. By the General Election of 2068 I can see them threatening in some more Remainery constituencies in the southwest especially as by then we will all be cyber-organic flesh-bots living in tungsten podules orbiting Saturn
“BREAKING: U.S. reports 139,424 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase since September”
https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1466590184984780803?s=21
This is BEFORE Omicron. With reports that Omicron easily breaks through prior immunity we could be in for the worst wave of Covid yet.
Conservatives 4/9 Lads & Corals
Lib Dems 15/8 PP, BV, Bw
And similarly, flying cows would see us all spattered with cowpats.
I’m feeling very unwell too, but that’s not a virus that’s just the amount of marking I’ve had to do in the last week.
https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1466501989500653568
The unknown at this point is how it compares in disease severity, and how protective are vaccines and/or prior infection in this respect (they do not seem to be greatly so against infection).
Just this brutal fatigue
Fair to assume there has been tactical voting. Lib Dems got 8.3% of the vote in 2019 + LP 23.5% = 32% combined
By Election: 34% combined..
Does this reveal the true swing?
I'm interested to see that even people outside teaching know about the paper setting process for the new GCSE and A-levels though.
IMHO OB&S not a 'good' result for anyone, really, apart perhaps for Reform. 'Satisfactory' for Tories and Labour, does suggest that anti-Tory voters are prepared to get behind the likely winner. Poor turnout, though.
That alone isn’t diagnostic of Omicron, but it’s a very good proxy for differentiating between the two, as other variants with that characteristic are largely gone for now.
Get one off Amazon if you can.
I hope I’m wrong but we could be in for a perfect winter storm of renewed Delta, followed by Omicron (which busts through prior immunity from infection).
South Africa just recorded 11,500 cases, doubling in 2 days, and up from 300 in mid November. Much faster than Delta. Hospitalisations are tracking this rise. We dunno about deaths yet but they lag, of course
We now have enough data to think: Holy Fucking Shit
Meanwhile...
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines being used in the UK as boosters give the best overall boost response, according to a UK trial of seven different jabs.
The trial is the first study of how well Covid booster jabs work and justifies the UK's early decision to use these two vaccines for boosters.
All the vaccines tested raised immunity against Covid to some degree.
Researchers said there were promising signs the boosters would still protect against illness and death from Omicron.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59489988
I continue to maintain that the actual healthcare impact of Omicron will be limited in the UK. It might actually do more harm to the economy, as the more cautious fraction of the populace sits trembling inside their homes and doesn't go out and do anything until about June.
As to whether we might get clobbered with more rules, I'm in the same place I have been for months: if the hospitals really start to scream it's going to be because they get hit by a load of flu cases on top of the Covid ones, not because of the latter problem on its own.
Tice, while undoubtedly a parasitic scumbag richly deserving of brutal mob justice, just isn't memorably objectionable enough. They need a different and more meme-worthy leader.
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=41.6&LAB=36.1&LIB=11.8&Reform=2.1&Green=2.8&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=20.5&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=6.5&SCOTReform=1&SCOTGreen=1.5&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=48&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019base
Or on the new boundaries, Con maj of 10:
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=41.6&LAB=36.1&LIB=11.8&Reform=2.1&Green=2.8&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=20.5&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=6.5&SCOTReform=1&SCOTGreen=1.5&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=48&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2019nbbase
Edit: I think I did that slightly wrong but that's the general vibe of it.
Edit again: Hang on, no, I only did half the swing didn't I
“NEW: today’s update from Gauteng, now on a log scale to better show current trajectories.
Steepness of lines shows how much faster the growth in cases and positivity is now vs past waves, and hospital admissions are now steepening too as the acceleration in cases feeds through.”
https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1466480113487392769?s=21
This is bad, I’m afraid.
Even if Omicron is less severe, it still has a terrible potential to crash health systems, by the sheer number of people it infects.
However, early indications suggest it might be just as severe as Delta
Teachers read the shit I submitted as 'homework'?
Poor bastards.
Leaving aside the fact that UNS is like a Dawkinsian conception of God* only one leader has managed that since 1945 - Tony Blair in 1997
And that is because it's much harder to achieve huge swings across 650 seats than across 1.
*it's a bizarre figure made up to justify some weird contortions of logic.
Or quit the profession.
https://nypost.com/2021/12/02/woman-caught-breastfeeding-her-hairless-cat-on-a-delta-flight
At one point he speculates that Omicron might have an R of 40, making it the most infectious disease in the history of the universe, but then he falls back on the (much more likely) answer that it is simultaneously more transmissible (4-6 x Delta?) PLUS it is highly reinfective.
Basically, the virus ran out of people to infect, for the first time, in SA, so it learned how to come back and duff them up all over again
"Hey, I'll have a little more!"
Some people are glass-half-empty people:
"Ooooh, I'd better nurse this!"
Leon is an: "Ohmigod where did all the liquid go from the glass? I can't remember drinking any; it's a sign! An omen! Run, people, away from this den of iniquity! Save yourselves! The liquid has gone, and is going to take over the world! The UAPs are sucking the nectar from our glasses using invisible straws! Run! Run for your lives!"
Hope you feel better soon.
The immediate outlook is not brilliant
No context as to how the results relate to eg Az Az Pf or Mo Mo Az.
Does anyone know?
The Lab majority requires Attlee/Blair to lead the Labour party, the alliance option second is a 40%+ chance and could happen if there were a GE tomorrow; also there is quite a range of realistic results which lead to no coherent government.
Morning all.
Partly because you get a full whack of Mo
But all the combos are great against covid - with the major caveat that we don’t know how good they are against Omicron
But other than that, mine wasn't a very good prediction. Seriously overestimated the traction both Labour and Refuk would get and underestimated the Tory share.
Refuk are truly a dead duck joke of a party. Couldn't get a much more sympathetic seat, with their 'leader' running, in a by-election where the voters can give the government a risk free kicking and this is the paltry amount they get? They're not going to even feature remotely at a General Election.
Sounds a difficult issue to deal with. Hate to think how many "Rights" organisations will get involved.
Are animals allowed loose on flights?
It will mightily impact unvaxxed countries but it won’t be great for vaxxed, unless they have brilliant booster campaigns and they can somehow protect the unjabbed entirely
Anyone who thinks they are immune due to prior infection must now rethink
Will lockdowns even work against this variant?
It'll almost certainly be the final time my VO2Max is equal to (or greater than) my age.
Its hard to take something named so tiny seriously.
(PS yes I know covid genuinely is smaller than a micron)
Makes sense if they are. We are in (yet another) race
Tory vote share above 50%. More votes than Labour received at 2019 GE. Less than 1,500 votes for Tice.
Sure, it's not Hartlepool-style brilliant, but there's nothing there to concern them particularly.
Lots of people are missing the fact that this is the SKS strategy. He is absolutely on track to have a 40%+ chance of success.
ATM his biggest problem - "vote Labour, get SNP running the country" - is one he can ignore while consolidating his position. As long as he can pretend his objective is 326 seats he does not have to address it.
If the LDs do well in NS then without winning either seat the non-Tory alliance will have had a good month.
This is a tremendous result for Boris Johnson. Less good for his party, and appalling for the country.
The next GE looks sewn up, unless BJ has another few Peppa Pig moments. His advisors really ought to lock him in a broom cupboard for a couple of years.
ReformUK effectively dead men walking.
LDs still a total joke.
Labour really need to find some traction and some fire in their bellies. They just look so peely wallie.
1) To address a fundamental branding problem by showing you'll do something you wouldn't have done before
2) As a concession in an internal party fight, because it's the only way to get some faction to STFU
Looks like I got Old Bexley and Sidcup spot on so let me try for North Shropshire.
Con 48%
Libs 42%
Lab 2%
Green 3%
Others 5%
Turnout 43%
The original Moderna dose is around double that of Pfizer.
They also tested half dose boosters of Pfizer - and the effect was close to that of the full dose. Which is very goood news in terms of a worldwide booster program.
We just don’t know for certain. Every day tells us more. In 2-3 weeks we will get the first Omicron deaths. Perhaps it will be more transmissible and reinfective but less lethal? 🙏
Right now we have nothing, an empty vase. That's not a good look.
Lab spin is this swing would see Johnson personally unseated
In reality, disappointing.
A crash program to increase production of the Pfizer antiviral might help.
Still definitely worth having but not the cure-all we hoped
So we will need tweaked vaccines and continuously improved therapies (and they are improving all the time). But we’re looking at a rough winter until then
Ugh I feel shit. Time for tablets