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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,845

    I think the Jenny Harries stuff is a complete red herring. If people are beginning to think about reviewing arrangements over the next month or so, it's nothing to do with what Harries (who hardly anybody has heard of) has said.

    What makes people anxious is that after a prolonged period of quiescence on the Covid front we have had a week of serious pronouncements, and a slight rule change, from the Health Secretary and the Prime Minister. Both Javid and Johnson have put their 'this is serious' faces on. Javid has sounded quite rattled. Press conferences have been revived again - a sure sign of concern.

    That's what's raised anxiety. Not Harries.

    Of course they are concerned. Have you not seen the polling?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,209

    ClippP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour were miles ahead of the LDs at the last election in North Shropshire. Why are they almost certainly going to come third this time? Seems like an interesting question to me.

    Because the Lib Dems seem to have woken up after the 2019 general election and started campaigning properly again, perhaps. The result was at the last round of local elections they came within a whisker of winning half a dozen county/unitary seats in the North Shropshire constituency, and then just carried on campaigning. And this has continued seamlessly into the byelection, with the Westminster candidate from last time standing as the candidate this time too, and almost winning a county/unitary seat on the way.

    In contrast, Labour dropped their candidate who stood at the last three Westminster elections - seemingly not without a measure of ill-will. And Labour are busy fighting things out among themselves even at the highest level of the party, as today's news stories show.

    The results of the 2019 general election are now ancient history. And I hear tell that a lot of people who voted Conservative then did so only because they were afraid of a Corbyn government. This is no longer the case.
    Two of the reasons for the improvement in LibDem campaigning, I think, are the election of Mark Pack as president of the LibDems and the extra donations received during the 2019 general election.
    It will be a bit embarrassing if the bloke who wrote "How to Win an Election" didn't win any elections...
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  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,670
    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Ba4 surely

    Qc2 - bah
    A double horsey attack on the right flank looks quite powerful...
    Nah. Those pawns on e4/e5 are holding both sides positions together and neither can afford to do much. I reckon black will put a bit of pressure on with Bb7 but there's no big attack coming.

    But what do I know...
    Not a lot apparently-



    "4m ago
    13:33
    Nepomniachtchi plays 18. Ng3 after three minutes. Carlsen answers with 18. ... Ng6. The challenger takes two more minutes before getting his dark-squared bishop into the mix with 19. Be3. White enjoys a slight positional edge with black’s light-squared bishop in the weeds."

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2021/dec/01/world-chess-championship-game-5-live-magnus-carlsen-v-ian-nepomniachtchi?filterKeyEvents=false#liveblog-content
    Nothing there to contradict...

    Black is slightly worse and needs to get his white bishop involved somehow but without losing control of f5.

    It might be hard for either side to do anything without weakening their own defensive position.

    We shall see.
    If I say White has a powerful mode of attack and the Guardian reports that as "slight positional edge" I take that as a Brisky win.
    Although I'm only a club player (or at least was before the pandemic), I have a 100% record against world championship candidates (seriously!).
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 9,164
    edited December 2021
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    Yes indeed a much warmer morning than recently.

    OT, Monbiot is bracingly and completely correct this morning that the extra amendments bolted on to the policing bill, and completely missed by the media, as well as parts of the original bill itself, are a threat to all of us and our basic democratic rights.

    Most concerning of all, among many concerns, is the open door to making any noisy, rather than violent, protest - and even helping to publicise such a protest online, by retweeting it, for instance - an arrestable offence.

    Very concerning stuff, and as so often in the last two decades, the British media, claiming to be fearless, is asleep at the wheel .

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/01/imprisoned-51-weeks-protesting-britain-police-state

    Hmmm. I'll go as far as strong scrutiny is required.


    I was shocked to see that even Theresa May has emerged as one of the critics of the Policing Bill. I always thought of her as somewhat of an authoritarian, and compared to Cameron, she was. But it seems that even she sees the extreme dangers of in particular being able to cast what is "disruptive" at will. We seem to be on a trajectory further and further away from proper oversight and accountability.

    There is something seriously wrong with this government's approach to democratic checks and balances, as we saw last month in the Commons, and again last week with Dacre, who in the end even himself saw the weakness and absurdity of his position and gave up.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,855
    Monkeys said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer is clearly not a bad politician. To go from 25 points behind to tied is impressive.

    Whether he’s a great politician, only time will tell.

    12 years into a a Tory Government and being tied midterm in the polls is impressive?

    Labour should be 10-15 clear at this stage
    That is grade A bollox. We are just 2 years after a landslide Con election victory.
    That’s very rudely put Kinny. That Conservatives can’t see or acknowledge how much more of a threat libdems and Labour will be to them next time and how much less potent Boris and his promises will be next time is actually very funny.
    Yes, I'm not one to underestimate the Magnificent but I'm slowly growing in confidence that it will be close.
    It’s a change of government to libdems and Labour with SNP ensuring budget and confidence. This is turning into a fag end government now.
    I'm an outsider but I always imagine the rest of the UK wouldn't put up with Blackford and co propping up a Labour government, and the threat of it seems to have worked well in the past. Surely just put clips of him standing up saying anything he's ever said and "do you want the PM beholden to this?" for a few weeks and the Labour Minority govt threat collapses? Or am I way out?
    "Unionists don't want to let elected MPs take part at Westminster just cos they are Scots" is not a good look. Least of all for a supposedly unionist party.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,209
    edited December 2021
    dixiedean said:

    MattW said:

    DavidL said:

    Went to see my GP this morning because of headaches. Getting an "emergency" CT scan some time before Christmas and advised to go private for my respiratory issues because nothing is going to happen soon. Told by the GP that the waiting time for gynaecology (not for me, of course) is now 2 years. He sees no prospects of anything improving in the foreseeable.

    My GP is an excellent chap and expressed frustration at how many times he is now recommending private health care. He said he is a strong believer in the NHS but the long term underfunding (in his view) has simply meant it cannot cope with something like Covid and the reductions in capacity that the safeguards bring about.

    Pretty sobering way to start the day.

    Serious Q: How do the protestations about "there is no capacity" from the Drs' organisations match up with the reality that huge numbers of GPs work part time?

    eg https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59482080

    eg Here is Pulse stating that 90% of salaried GPs work part time.
    https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/workload/nhs-england-says-almost-90-of-gps-work-part-time-in-response-to-pulse-survey/

    Is this really a capacity constraint?

    Perhaps we need a condition to require extra hours in time of need in the GP part time contract?
    How does forcing folk to work hours they don't choose to (or are incapable of) fit with the bleatings about encroachment on our precious liberties?
    You'd have to ask a sheep with such a view.

    It seems to be to be a reasonable part of the package for someone with a rewarding and lucrative career in a publicly funded service, who has had a six figure sum (200k or so now?) invested by the taxpayer in their training.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,845

    Starmer is clearly not a bad politician. To go from 25 points behind to tied is impressive.

    Whether he’s a great politician, only time will tell.

    12 years into a a Tory Government and being tied midterm in the polls is impressive?

    Labour should be 10-15 clear at this stage

    Jeremy Corbyn's Labour on multiple times recorded a 10 point lead over the Tories in 2019.
    4 years ago today Corbyn was 8 pts ahead

    Survation/Mail on Sunday 2017-12-01

    Con 38

    Lab 46

    LD 6

    Green 4

    19 MONTHS INTO AN SKS LEADERSHIP SKS has underperformed "even Corbyn" in EVERY REAL ELECTION

    2021 LE's did worse than even Corbyn

    Every Parliamentary BY Election did worse than even Corbyn

    The useless nonentity cant even match even Corbyn

    Democracy is wasted on us lot, it really is. 46% were going to vote for that muppet Corbyn? I mean, really? Jeez.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,297
    DavidL said:

    On a slightly tangential note I had a small bet with @rkrkrk that there would be no more legal restrictions this year, winnings to the site. If the administrators can put up the donate button I will make the donation since I have clearly lost.

    Thanks DavidL - you got unlucky with Omicron I think!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,643
    The anti-Covid pill molnupiravir is not as promising as hoped

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/11/womp-womp-efficacy-of-mercks-thor-inspired-covid-pill-crumbles-vexing-experts/

    In fact, it looks as though it may be dangerous for pregnant women.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,322
    MattW said:

    ClippP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Labour were miles ahead of the LDs at the last election in North Shropshire. Why are they almost certainly going to come third this time? Seems like an interesting question to me.

    Because the Lib Dems seem to have woken up after the 2019 general election and started campaigning properly again, perhaps. The result was at the last round of local elections they came within a whisker of winning half a dozen county/unitary seats in the North Shropshire constituency, and then just carried on campaigning. And this has continued seamlessly into the byelection, with the Westminster candidate from last time standing as the candidate this time too, and almost winning a county/unitary seat on the way.

    In contrast, Labour dropped their candidate who stood at the last three Westminster elections - seemingly not without a measure of ill-will. And Labour are busy fighting things out among themselves even at the highest level of the party, as today's news stories show.

    The results of the 2019 general election are now ancient history. And I hear tell that a lot of people who voted Conservative then did so only because they were afraid of a Corbyn government. This is no longer the case.
    Two of the reasons for the improvement in LibDem campaigning, I think, are the election of Mark Pack as president of the LibDems and the extra donations received during the 2019 general election.
    It will be a bit embarrassing if the bloke who wrote "How to Win an Election" didn't win any elections...
    Which was the episode of the West Wing, where Toby is drinking in a bar and admits to a fellow drinker that up to that point (it was a pre Bartlett flashback) he'd always lost?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,845

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Ba4 surely

    Qc2 - bah
    A double horsey attack on the right flank looks quite powerful...
    Nah. Those pawns on e4/e5 are holding both sides positions together and neither can afford to do much. I reckon black will put a bit of pressure on with Bb7 but there's no big attack coming.

    But what do I know...
    Not a lot apparently-



    "4m ago
    13:33
    Nepomniachtchi plays 18. Ng3 after three minutes. Carlsen answers with 18. ... Ng6. The challenger takes two more minutes before getting his dark-squared bishop into the mix with 19. Be3. White enjoys a slight positional edge with black’s light-squared bishop in the weeds."

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2021/dec/01/world-chess-championship-game-5-live-magnus-carlsen-v-ian-nepomniachtchi?filterKeyEvents=false#liveblog-content
    Nothing there to contradict...

    Black is slightly worse and needs to get his white bishop involved somehow but without losing control of f5.

    It might be hard for either side to do anything without weakening their own defensive position.

    We shall see.
    If I say White has a powerful mode of attack and the Guardian reports that as "slight positional edge" I take that as a Brisky win.
    Although I'm only a club player (or at least was before the pandemic), I have a 100% record against world championship candidates (seriously!).
    I only got a draw against Kasperov. (who just happened to be playing 40 odd other people at the same time with the same time on his clock as me). Glory days though.
  • The anti-Covid pill molnupiravir is not as promising as hoped

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/11/womp-womp-efficacy-of-mercks-thor-inspired-covid-pill-crumbles-vexing-experts/

    In fact, it looks as though it may be dangerous for pregnant women.

    Is that the one that has been approved in the UK or the one that is waiting to be approved?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    JBriskin3 said:

    Casablanca is a great film - one of the black and whites to watch younglings.

    I love it. But it wans’t made as a main feature was it, still writing it as they filmed it, knocked it up quickly and cheaply, yet it all works. German and French trying to out sing each other is so totally unforgettable moment from any film.

    On the other hand, big budget Citizen Kane doesn’t do much for me. It has component parts but not the flow.

    Love It’s a wonderful life.
    Bert and Ernie were freaked out by it!

    https://www.instagram.com/tv/CW1FV-7Lqj4/?utm_medium=copy_link
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Ba4 surely

    Qc2 - bah
    A double horsey attack on the right flank looks quite powerful...
    Is everything all right John?
    Sorry you are watching the chess! ♟
    With Briskin he could just as easily be tripping. The man's clearly a basket case.
    Too rude! 🤨
    Yet... true
    Not true - I'm strictly Cigarettes and Alcohol these days.
    ...and a basket case
    Whenever I read an accusation someone is a basket case it shows a profound lack of understanding of mental health, the debilitating effect on the sufferer and their family

    My own family's battles with extreme mental health and PTSD are well known, but it is also true several of our own posters have admitted to mental health problems and treatments and I just think we need to be kinder
    Sure, and when someone accuses me of being "pro-Peado", I tend to give it back to them with both barrels.
    At least what I said is true.
    Defend Derek McKay all you want mate - I'm here all day.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,670
    edited December 2021
    DavidL said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Ba4 surely

    Qc2 - bah
    A double horsey attack on the right flank looks quite powerful...
    Nah. Those pawns on e4/e5 are holding both sides positions together and neither can afford to do much. I reckon black will put a bit of pressure on with Bb7 but there's no big attack coming.

    But what do I know...
    Not a lot apparently-



    "4m ago
    13:33
    Nepomniachtchi plays 18. Ng3 after three minutes. Carlsen answers with 18. ... Ng6. The challenger takes two more minutes before getting his dark-squared bishop into the mix with 19. Be3. White enjoys a slight positional edge with black’s light-squared bishop in the weeds."

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2021/dec/01/world-chess-championship-game-5-live-magnus-carlsen-v-ian-nepomniachtchi?filterKeyEvents=false#liveblog-content
    Nothing there to contradict...

    Black is slightly worse and needs to get his white bishop involved somehow but without losing control of f5.

    It might be hard for either side to do anything without weakening their own defensive position.

    We shall see.
    If I say White has a powerful mode of attack and the Guardian reports that as "slight positional edge" I take that as a Brisky win.
    Although I'm only a club player (or at least was before the pandemic), I have a 100% record against world championship candidates (seriously!).
    I only got a draw against Kasperov. (who just happened to be playing 40 odd other people at the same time with the same time on his clock as me). Glory days though.
    Lol, that's a decent result as Kasparov was pretty good at simultaneous games.

    You guessed right at the circumstances though, it was Nigel Short and he was playing 29 others. He was nowhere near Kasparov's class at the genre. Not on the clock though.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Farooq said:

    Farooq said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Ba4 surely

    Qc2 - bah
    A double horsey attack on the right flank looks quite powerful...
    Is everything all right John?
    Sorry you are watching the chess! ♟
    With Briskin he could just as easily be tripping. The man's clearly a basket case.
    Too rude! 🤨
    Yet... true
    Not true - I'm strictly Cigarettes and Alcohol these days.
    ...and a basket case
    Whenever I read an accusation someone is a basket case it shows a profound lack of understanding of mental health, the debilitating effect on the sufferer and their family

    My own family's battles with extreme mental health and PTSD are well known, but it is also true several of our own posters have admitted to mental health problems and treatments and I just think we need to be kinder
    Sure, and when someone accuses me of being "pro-Peado", I tend to give it back to them with both barrels.
    At least what I said is true.
    Defend Derek McKay all you want mate - I'm here all day.
    Never even tried to defend him. That's one of the symptoms of being a basket case, you start thinking conversations that happened only in your head actually happened in real life.
    15 years old you say?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,643

    The anti-Covid pill molnupiravir is not as promising as hoped

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/11/womp-womp-efficacy-of-mercks-thor-inspired-covid-pill-crumbles-vexing-experts/

    In fact, it looks as though it may be dangerous for pregnant women.

    Is that the one that has been approved in the UK or the one that is waiting to be approved?
    Apparently so:
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/first-oral-antiviral-for-covid-19-lagevrio-molnupiravir-approved-by-mhra

    That decision might have to be revisited...
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,079

    I've just caught up with PMQs.
    I note that JRM was wearing a mask; he has resolutely refused to do so previously.
    Does this mean that the Tory benches have suddenly become less "convivial and fraternal", as per his explanation a month ago for why he had no need to wear a mask in the HoC?

    Either that or he's a hypocritical buffoon...
    I think he may be hiding...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,855

    The anti-Covid pill molnupiravir is not as promising as hoped

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/11/womp-womp-efficacy-of-mercks-thor-inspired-covid-pill-crumbles-vexing-experts/

    In fact, it looks as though it may be dangerous for pregnant women.

    Is that the one that has been approved in the UK or the one that is waiting to be approved?
    Apparently so:
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/first-oral-antiviral-for-covid-19-lagevrio-molnupiravir-approved-by-mhra

    That decision might have to be revisited...
    I see the original arstechnica report says the Pfizer pill has a different mechanism of action, which doesn't rely on disrupting the genetic side of matters, so presumably less mutagenic (ie dangerous for the pregnant or rather their embryos.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    I'd be tempted by BxB - get the black queen out in the open

    (#chess)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,394
    TimS said:

    Let's face it there is also this amusing, completely unscientific but deep rooted belief among the general population that they are more likely to catch Covid off strangers than people they know well. Even though the opposite is largely true. A Covid version of children's stranger-danger. Even JRM seemed to buy it when justifying the Tory MPs mixing maskless.

    I don't think people are comparing the relative risks, they're comparing the relative risk:reward ratios.

    There's a lot more reward from mixing with friends and family than with strangers, so even if the risk is also higher the ratio is still in favour of prioritising mixing with friends and family over mixing with strangers.
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 757
    Carnyx said:

    Monkeys said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer is clearly not a bad politician. To go from 25 points behind to tied is impressive.

    Whether he’s a great politician, only time will tell.

    12 years into a a Tory Government and being tied midterm in the polls is impressive?

    Labour should be 10-15 clear at this stage
    That is grade A bollox. We are just 2 years after a landslide Con election victory.
    That’s very rudely put Kinny. That Conservatives can’t see or acknowledge how much more of a threat libdems and Labour will be to them next time and how much less potent Boris and his promises will be next time is actually very funny.
    Yes, I'm not one to underestimate the Magnificent but I'm slowly growing in confidence that it will be close.
    It’s a change of government to libdems and Labour with SNP ensuring budget and confidence. This is turning into a fag end government now.
    I'm an outsider but I always imagine the rest of the UK wouldn't put up with Blackford and co propping up a Labour government, and the threat of it seems to have worked well in the past. Surely just put clips of him standing up saying anything he's ever said and "do you want the PM beholden to this?" for a few weeks and the Labour Minority govt threat collapses? Or am I way out?
    "Unionists don't want to let elected MPs take part at Westminster just cos they are Scots" is not a good look. Least of all for a supposedly unionist party.
    I'm talking about the electorate deciding who rules the UK> And with respect to that, it's more that: The SNP's job is to make sure Westminster cannot rule Scotland. It's reasonable for the electorate of E&W to decide that they don't want a government beholden to the SNP, and vote accordingly, surely?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,209
    JBriskin3 said:

    I'd be tempted by BxB - get the black queen out in the open

    (#chess)

    Ye Gods.

    A game slower than cricket.
  • maaarshmaaarsh Posts: 3,590
    Carnyx said:

    Monkeys said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer is clearly not a bad politician. To go from 25 points behind to tied is impressive.

    Whether he’s a great politician, only time will tell.

    12 years into a a Tory Government and being tied midterm in the polls is impressive?

    Labour should be 10-15 clear at this stage
    That is grade A bollox. We are just 2 years after a landslide Con election victory.
    That’s very rudely put Kinny. That Conservatives can’t see or acknowledge how much more of a threat libdems and Labour will be to them next time and how much less potent Boris and his promises will be next time is actually very funny.
    Yes, I'm not one to underestimate the Magnificent but I'm slowly growing in confidence that it will be close.
    It’s a change of government to libdems and Labour with SNP ensuring budget and confidence. This is turning into a fag end government now.
    I'm an outsider but I always imagine the rest of the UK wouldn't put up with Blackford and co propping up a Labour government, and the threat of it seems to have worked well in the past. Surely just put clips of him standing up saying anything he's ever said and "do you want the PM beholden to this?" for a few weeks and the Labour Minority govt threat collapses? Or am I way out?
    "Unionists don't want to let elected MPs take part at Westminster just cos they are Scots" is not a good look. Least of all for a supposedly unionist party.
    Not a good look to who? If the Scots won't vote for a credible party of national government then the real parties will stop giving a fig what they think, and English voters certainly won't punish them for that. Same reason no one gives a monkeys what anyone in NI thinks.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,121
    Carnyx said:

    The anti-Covid pill molnupiravir is not as promising as hoped

    https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/11/womp-womp-efficacy-of-mercks-thor-inspired-covid-pill-crumbles-vexing-experts/

    In fact, it looks as though it may be dangerous for pregnant women.

    Is that the one that has been approved in the UK or the one that is waiting to be approved?
    Apparently so:
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/first-oral-antiviral-for-covid-19-lagevrio-molnupiravir-approved-by-mhra

    That decision might have to be revisited...
    I see the original arstechnica report says the Pfizer pill has a different mechanism of action, which doesn't rely on disrupting the genetic side of matters, so presumably less mutagenic (ie dangerous for the pregnant or rather their embryos.
    It's also considerably more effective, according to the data out there.
  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 993
    Having spent 3 days in North Shropshire - polling would be very difficult - huge area with lots of small villages. Am expecting a low turnout of traditional Conservatives - Asked someone yesterday who she would be voting for - replied Helen. If the electorate are on first name terms with you then you have a chance!
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    MattW said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    I'd be tempted by BxB - get the black queen out in the open

    (#chess)

    Ye Gods.

    A game slower than cricket.
    He went for Nd2.

    A nil-all draw to continue the sports topic.
  • maaarsh said:

    Carnyx said:

    Monkeys said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer is clearly not a bad politician. To go from 25 points behind to tied is impressive.

    Whether he’s a great politician, only time will tell.

    12 years into a a Tory Government and being tied midterm in the polls is impressive?

    Labour should be 10-15 clear at this stage
    That is grade A bollox. We are just 2 years after a landslide Con election victory.
    That’s very rudely put Kinny. That Conservatives can’t see or acknowledge how much more of a threat libdems and Labour will be to them next time and how much less potent Boris and his promises will be next time is actually very funny.
    Yes, I'm not one to underestimate the Magnificent but I'm slowly growing in confidence that it will be close.
    It’s a change of government to libdems and Labour with SNP ensuring budget and confidence. This is turning into a fag end government now.
    I'm an outsider but I always imagine the rest of the UK wouldn't put up with Blackford and co propping up a Labour government, and the threat of it seems to have worked well in the past. Surely just put clips of him standing up saying anything he's ever said and "do you want the PM beholden to this?" for a few weeks and the Labour Minority govt threat collapses? Or am I way out?
    "Unionists don't want to let elected MPs take part at Westminster just cos they are Scots" is not a good look. Least of all for a supposedly unionist party.
    Not a good look to who? If the Scots won't vote for a credible party of national government then the real parties will stop giving a fig what they think, and English voters certainly won't punish them for that. Same reason no one gives a monkeys what anyone in NI thinks.
    Eventually the opinion pollsters might even cease to poll Scotland in British polls, just as they don't poll NI.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    ‘ In this week's #PMQsUnpacked, Matt Chorley and Patrick Maguire review Keir Starmer's appearance in the Commons:

    "Keir Starmer lacks that little bit of political stardust." ✨
    "He doesn't have a fourth gear." 🚘

    @MattChorley | @patrickkmaguire’

    https://twitter.com/timesradio/status/1466028780254904321?s=21
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254

    maaarsh said:

    Carnyx said:

    Monkeys said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer is clearly not a bad politician. To go from 25 points behind to tied is impressive.

    Whether he’s a great politician, only time will tell.

    12 years into a a Tory Government and being tied midterm in the polls is impressive?

    Labour should be 10-15 clear at this stage
    That is grade A bollox. We are just 2 years after a landslide Con election victory.
    That’s very rudely put Kinny. That Conservatives can’t see or acknowledge how much more of a threat libdems and Labour will be to them next time and how much less potent Boris and his promises will be next time is actually very funny.
    Yes, I'm not one to underestimate the Magnificent but I'm slowly growing in confidence that it will be close.
    It’s a change of government to libdems and Labour with SNP ensuring budget and confidence. This is turning into a fag end government now.
    I'm an outsider but I always imagine the rest of the UK wouldn't put up with Blackford and co propping up a Labour government, and the threat of it seems to have worked well in the past. Surely just put clips of him standing up saying anything he's ever said and "do you want the PM beholden to this?" for a few weeks and the Labour Minority govt threat collapses? Or am I way out?
    "Unionists don't want to let elected MPs take part at Westminster just cos they are Scots" is not a good look. Least of all for a supposedly unionist party.
    Not a good look to who? If the Scots won't vote for a credible party of national government then the real parties will stop giving a fig what they think, and English voters certainly won't punish them for that. Same reason no one gives a monkeys what anyone in NI thinks.
    Eventually the opinion pollsters might even cease to poll Scotland in British polls, just as they don't poll NI.
    At least it would stop the SNP Type posters on this site posting their Scottish Sub Samples.
  • maaarsh said:

    Carnyx said:

    Monkeys said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer is clearly not a bad politician. To go from 25 points behind to tied is impressive.

    Whether he’s a great politician, only time will tell.

    12 years into a a Tory Government and being tied midterm in the polls is impressive?

    Labour should be 10-15 clear at this stage
    That is grade A bollox. We are just 2 years after a landslide Con election victory.
    That’s very rudely put Kinny. That Conservatives can’t see or acknowledge how much more of a threat libdems and Labour will be to them next time and how much less potent Boris and his promises will be next time is actually very funny.
    Yes, I'm not one to underestimate the Magnificent but I'm slowly growing in confidence that it will be close.
    It’s a change of government to libdems and Labour with SNP ensuring budget and confidence. This is turning into a fag end government now.
    I'm an outsider but I always imagine the rest of the UK wouldn't put up with Blackford and co propping up a Labour government, and the threat of it seems to have worked well in the past. Surely just put clips of him standing up saying anything he's ever said and "do you want the PM beholden to this?" for a few weeks and the Labour Minority govt threat collapses? Or am I way out?
    "Unionists don't want to let elected MPs take part at Westminster just cos they are Scots" is not a good look. Least of all for a supposedly unionist party.
    Not a good look to who? If the Scots won't vote for a credible party of national government then the real parties will stop giving a fig what they think, and English voters certainly won't punish them for that. Same reason no one gives a monkeys what anyone in NI thinks.
    Funny, I didn't have you down as thinking of Labour as a credible party of national government.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    #chess

    I think the bishops, rooks and Queens have all been wiped out.

    Looks like I called it right with my nil-all draw metaphor.
  • maaarsh said:

    Carnyx said:

    Monkeys said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer is clearly not a bad politician. To go from 25 points behind to tied is impressive.

    Whether he’s a great politician, only time will tell.

    12 years into a a Tory Government and being tied midterm in the polls is impressive?

    Labour should be 10-15 clear at this stage
    That is grade A bollox. We are just 2 years after a landslide Con election victory.
    That’s very rudely put Kinny. That Conservatives can’t see or acknowledge how much more of a threat libdems and Labour will be to them next time and how much less potent Boris and his promises will be next time is actually very funny.
    Yes, I'm not one to underestimate the Magnificent but I'm slowly growing in confidence that it will be close.
    It’s a change of government to libdems and Labour with SNP ensuring budget and confidence. This is turning into a fag end government now.
    I'm an outsider but I always imagine the rest of the UK wouldn't put up with Blackford and co propping up a Labour government, and the threat of it seems to have worked well in the past. Surely just put clips of him standing up saying anything he's ever said and "do you want the PM beholden to this?" for a few weeks and the Labour Minority govt threat collapses? Or am I way out?
    "Unionists don't want to let elected MPs take part at Westminster just cos they are Scots" is not a good look. Least of all for a supposedly unionist party.
    Not a good look to who? If the Scots won't vote for a credible party of national government then the real parties will stop giving a fig what they think, and English voters certainly won't punish them for that. Same reason no one gives a monkeys what anyone in NI thinks.
    Funny, I didn't have you down as thinking of Labour as a credible party of national government.
    Touché!
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    JBriskin3 said:

    #chess

    I think the bishops, rooks and Queens have all been wiped out.

    Looks like I called it right with my nil-all draw metaphor.

    Soz the board is slow to update.

    I think they've both got a rook a bishop and a two knights.

    Game On.
  • Farooq said:

    maaarsh said:

    Carnyx said:

    Monkeys said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer is clearly not a bad politician. To go from 25 points behind to tied is impressive.

    Whether he’s a great politician, only time will tell.

    12 years into a a Tory Government and being tied midterm in the polls is impressive?

    Labour should be 10-15 clear at this stage
    That is grade A bollox. We are just 2 years after a landslide Con election victory.
    That’s very rudely put Kinny. That Conservatives can’t see or acknowledge how much more of a threat libdems and Labour will be to them next time and how much less potent Boris and his promises will be next time is actually very funny.
    Yes, I'm not one to underestimate the Magnificent but I'm slowly growing in confidence that it will be close.
    It’s a change of government to libdems and Labour with SNP ensuring budget and confidence. This is turning into a fag end government now.
    I'm an outsider but I always imagine the rest of the UK wouldn't put up with Blackford and co propping up a Labour government, and the threat of it seems to have worked well in the past. Surely just put clips of him standing up saying anything he's ever said and "do you want the PM beholden to this?" for a few weeks and the Labour Minority govt threat collapses? Or am I way out?
    "Unionists don't want to let elected MPs take part at Westminster just cos they are Scots" is not a good look. Least of all for a supposedly unionist party.
    Not a good look to who? If the Scots won't vote for a credible party of national government then the real parties will stop giving a fig what they think, and English voters certainly won't punish them for that. Same reason no one gives a monkeys what anyone in NI thinks.
    Eventually the opinion pollsters might even cease to poll Scotland in British polls, just as they don't poll NI.
    It probably makes a lot of sense to conduct opinion polls separately already. Same with Wales.
    I'd assume the S**tch E***rts would then feel morally obliged to stop proffering their low-info cra...er...timeless insights on the state of play in Scotland.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,198
    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Casablanca is a great film - one of the black and whites to watch younglings.

    I love it. But it wans’t made as a main feature was it, still writing it as they filmed it, knocked it up quickly and cheaply, yet it all works. German and French trying to out sing each other is so totally unforgettable moment from any film.

    On the other hand, big budget Citizen Kane doesn’t do much for me. It has component parts but not the flow.

    Love It’s a wonderful life.
    I liked Citizen Kane on first viewing but the re-watch was a bit more of a bore-fest.

    The other black and white I'd recommend is His Girl Friday.
    I think CK deserves its rep as masterpiece and in the GOAT conversation. I've seen it many times and I'd watch it again tonight if it was on. It's quite a short film which seems to last a long time, normally a criticism but in this case not. Because the reason it seems to last a long time is it really does encapsulate a human life. The episodic structure is very clever in how it does this. Lots of information is delivered in a lean and elegant way. At the end you know all there is of importance to know about Charles Foster Kane, and because of who he is and how he lived you get insights into big things like media & politics as well as into what the film is really about - how life corrupts and a life without love corrupts absolutely. Bet everyone on here, regardless of how different we are, has a Rosebud.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 4,670
    MattW said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    I'd be tempted by BxB - get the black queen out in the open

    (#chess)

    Ye Gods.

    A game slower than cricket.
    Not once time starts to run out.

    I've seen boards thrown and near punch ups (as the ref!)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,673
    isam said:

    ‘ In this week's #PMQsUnpacked, Matt Chorley and Patrick Maguire review Keir Starmer's appearance in the Commons:

    "Keir Starmer lacks that little bit of political stardust." ✨
    "He doesn't have a fourth gear." 🚘

    Or a 2nd, 3rd, 5th, or 6th

    Stuck in 1st underperforming "even Corbyn" in every real Electoral test in his first 19 months
  • isam said:

    ‘ In this week's #PMQsUnpacked, Matt Chorley and Patrick Maguire review Keir Starmer's appearance in the Commons:

    "Keir Starmer lacks that little bit of political stardust." ✨
    "He doesn't have a fourth gear." 🚘

    @MattChorley | @patrickkmaguire’

    https://twitter.com/timesradio/status/1466028780254904321?s=21

    Yawn, breaking news: "Isam", a candidate for UKIP or Brexit Party (can't remember which crypto-fascist party), more latterly, No2 PB fanboy for the most ludicrous PM in history, posts another obsessive uncomplimentary post about Sir Kier Starmer.

    He must really fear him to post so much crap to convince himself he isn't any good.
  • JBriskin3JBriskin3 Posts: 1,254
    kinabalu said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Casablanca is a great film - one of the black and whites to watch younglings.

    I love it. But it wans’t made as a main feature was it, still writing it as they filmed it, knocked it up quickly and cheaply, yet it all works. German and French trying to out sing each other is so totally unforgettable moment from any film.

    On the other hand, big budget Citizen Kane doesn’t do much for me. It has component parts but not the flow.

    Love It’s a wonderful life.
    I liked Citizen Kane on first viewing but the re-watch was a bit more of a bore-fest.

    The other black and white I'd recommend is His Girl Friday.
    Bet everyone on here, regardless of how different we are, has a Rosebud.
    *Spoilers*

    Of course living in the north east of Scotland it makes sense - but mine was a crappy red bit of plastic.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited December 2021

    isam said:

    ‘ In this week's #PMQsUnpacked, Matt Chorley and Patrick Maguire review Keir Starmer's appearance in the Commons:

    "Keir Starmer lacks that little bit of political stardust." ✨
    "He doesn't have a fourth gear." 🚘

    @MattChorley | @patrickkmaguire’

    https://twitter.com/timesradio/status/1466028780254904321?s=21

    Yawn, breaking news: "Isam", a candidate for UKIP or Brexit Party (can't remember which crypto-fascist party), more latterly, No2 PB fanboy for the most ludicrous PM in history, posts another obsessive uncomplimentary post about Sir Kier Starmer.

    He must really fear him to post so much crap to convince himself he isn't any good.
    Sorry to see you yawning in the afternoon, I'm guessing you must have just been listening to a Keir Starmer speech?

    It isn't big or clever to rephrase ever criticism as "fear". By your logic, you must really fear Boris given your posts on the subject.
  • kinabalu said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Casablanca is a great film - one of the black and whites to watch younglings.

    I love it. But it wans’t made as a main feature was it, still writing it as they filmed it, knocked it up quickly and cheaply, yet it all works. German and French trying to out sing each other is so totally unforgettable moment from any film.

    On the other hand, big budget Citizen Kane doesn’t do much for me. It has component parts but not the flow.

    Love It’s a wonderful life.
    I liked Citizen Kane on first viewing but the re-watch was a bit more of a bore-fest.

    The other black and white I'd recommend is His Girl Friday.
    I think CK deserves its rep as masterpiece and in the GOAT conversation. I've seen it many times and I'd watch it again tonight if it was on. It's quite a short film which seems to last a long time, normally a criticism but in this case not. Because the reason it seems to last a long time is it really does encapsulate a human life. The episodic structure is very clever in how it does this. Lots of information is delivered in a lean and elegant way. At the end you know all there is of importance to know about Charles Foster Kane, and because of who he is and how he lived you get insights into big things like media & politics as well as into what the film is really about - how life corrupts and a life without love corrupts absolutely. Bet everyone on here, regardless of how different we are, has a Rosebud.
    Ok, time to have a festive all time top 10 movies thing? Or top 5 if that's too much.

    Pour moi (in no real order)

    Blade Runner
    Casablanca
    The Third Man
    The Searchers
    Wings of Desire
    Godfather
    Alien
    Paths of Glory
    Das Boot
    Death of Stalin
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    kinabalu said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Casablanca is a great film - one of the black and whites to watch younglings.

    I love it. But it wans’t made as a main feature was it, still writing it as they filmed it, knocked it up quickly and cheaply, yet it all works. German and French trying to out sing each other is so totally unforgettable moment from any film.

    On the other hand, big budget Citizen Kane doesn’t do much for me. It has component parts but not the flow.

    Love It’s a wonderful life.
    I liked Citizen Kane on first viewing but the re-watch was a bit more of a bore-fest.

    The other black and white I'd recommend is His Girl Friday.
    I think CK deserves its rep as masterpiece and in the GOAT conversation. I've seen it many times and I'd watch it again tonight if it was on. It's quite a short film which seems to last a long time, normally a criticism but in this case not. Because the reason it seems to last a long time is it really does encapsulate a human life. The episodic structure is very clever in how it does this. Lots of information is delivered in a lean and elegant way. At the end you know all there is of importance to know about Charles Foster Kane, and because of who he is and how he lived you get insights into big things like media & politics as well as into what the film is really about - how life corrupts and a life without love corrupts absolutely. Bet everyone on here, regardless of how different we are, has a Rosebud.
    Ok, time to have a festive all time top 10 movies thing? Or top 5 if that's too much.

    Pour moi (in no real order)

    Blade Runner
    Casablanca
    The Third Man
    The Searchers
    Wings of Desire
    Godfather
    Alien
    Paths of Glory
    Das Boot
    Death of Stalin
    Not bad. Three of those (Casablanca, Bladerunner and Wings of Desire) could make my top 10. W of D definitely would. I’d throw in Manhattan and Through a Glass Darkly, and up to half a dozen Terence Davies films!
  • isam said:

    ‘ In this week's #PMQsUnpacked, Matt Chorley and Patrick Maguire review Keir Starmer's appearance in the Commons:

    "Keir Starmer lacks that little bit of political stardust." ✨
    "He doesn't have a fourth gear." 🚘

    @MattChorley | @patrickkmaguire’

    https://twitter.com/timesradio/status/1466028780254904321?s=21

    Yawn, breaking news: "Isam", a candidate for UKIP or Brexit Party (can't remember which crypto-fascist party), more latterly, No2 PB fanboy for the most ludicrous PM in history, posts another obsessive uncomplimentary post about Sir Kier Starmer.

    He must really fear him to post so much crap to convince himself he isn't any good.
    Sorry to see you yawning in the afternoon, I'm guessing you must have just been listening to a Keir Starmer speech?

    It isn't big or clever to rephrase ever criticism as "fear". By your logic, you must really fear Boris given your posts on the subject.
    I do fear Boris Johnson. I fear the damage he is inflicting on the country and the Conservative party by attracting people like you and Isam to be members. I also fear that gullible fools like you who support him might encourage him to stay where he is.

    I also often yawn in the afternoon, as I am sure most people on here do when they see one of your puerile ill-informed keyboard warrior posts on one subject or other that you have zero experience or perspective on.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited December 2021

    kinabalu said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    JBriskin3 said:

    Casablanca is a great film - one of the black and whites to watch younglings.

    I love it. But it wans’t made as a main feature was it, still writing it as they filmed it, knocked it up quickly and cheaply, yet it all works. German and French trying to out sing each other is so totally unforgettable moment from any film.

    On the other hand, big budget Citizen Kane doesn’t do much for me. It has component parts but not the flow.

    Love It’s a wonderful life.
    I liked Citizen Kane on first viewing but the re-watch was a bit more of a bore-fest.

    The other black and white I'd recommend is His Girl Friday.
    I think CK deserves its rep as masterpiece and in the GOAT conversation. I've seen it many times and I'd watch it again tonight if it was on. It's quite a short film which seems to last a long time, normally a criticism but in this case not. Because the reason it seems to last a long time is it really does encapsulate a human life. The episodic structure is very clever in how it does this. Lots of information is delivered in a lean and elegant way. At the end you know all there is of importance to know about Charles Foster Kane, and because of who he is and how he lived you get insights into big things like media & politics as well as into what the film is really about - how life corrupts and a life without love corrupts absolutely. Bet everyone on here, regardless of how different we are, has a Rosebud.
    Ok, time to have a festive all time top 10 movies thing? Or top 5 if that's too much.

    Pour moi (in no real order)

    Blade Runner
    Casablanca
    The Third Man
    The Searchers
    Wings of Desire
    Godfather
    Alien
    Paths of Glory
    Das Boot
    Death of Stalin
    No real order:

    The Empire Strikes Back
    The Usual Suspects
    The Godfather
    The Godfather Part 2
    The Shawshank Redemption
    Superman
    Batman Begins
    The Dark Knight
    The Dark Knight Rises
    Avengers: Infinity War
  • isam said:

    ‘ In this week's #PMQsUnpacked, Matt Chorley and Patrick Maguire review Keir Starmer's appearance in the Commons:

    "Keir Starmer lacks that little bit of political stardust." ✨
    "He doesn't have a fourth gear." 🚘

    @MattChorley | @patrickkmaguire’

    https://twitter.com/timesradio/status/1466028780254904321?s=21

    Yawn, breaking news: "Isam", a candidate for UKIP or Brexit Party (can't remember which crypto-fascist party), more latterly, No2 PB fanboy for the most ludicrous PM in history, posts another obsessive uncomplimentary post about Sir Kier Starmer.

    He must really fear him to post so much crap to convince himself he isn't any good.
    Sorry to see you yawning in the afternoon, I'm guessing you must have just been listening to a Keir Starmer speech?

    It isn't big or clever to rephrase ever criticism as "fear". By your logic, you must really fear Boris given your posts on the subject.
    I do fear Boris Johnson. I fear the damage he is inflicting on the country and the Conservative party by attracting people like you and Isam to be members. I also fear that gullible fools like you who support him might encourage him to stay where he is.

    I also often yawn in the afternoon, as I am sure most people on here do when they see one of your puerile ill-informed keyboard warrior posts on one subject or other that you have zero experience or perspective on.
    Boris Johnson didn't attract me to the Conservative Party, I've almost always been a Conservative. I voted for David Cameron in 2005 (after joining the Party repelled by the fact the blue rinse brigade had voted for IDS so I wanted a say next time).
  • isam said:

    ‘ In this week's #PMQsUnpacked, Matt Chorley and Patrick Maguire review Keir Starmer's appearance in the Commons:

    "Keir Starmer lacks that little bit of political stardust." ✨
    "He doesn't have a fourth gear." 🚘

    @MattChorley | @patrickkmaguire’

    https://twitter.com/timesradio/status/1466028780254904321?s=21

    Yawn, breaking news: "Isam", a candidate for UKIP or Brexit Party (can't remember which crypto-fascist party), more latterly, No2 PB fanboy for the most ludicrous PM in history, posts another obsessive uncomplimentary post about Sir Kier Starmer.

    He must really fear him to post so much crap to convince himself he isn't any good.
    Sorry to see you yawning in the afternoon, I'm guessing you must have just been listening to a Keir Starmer speech?

    It isn't big or clever to rephrase ever criticism as "fear". By your logic, you must really fear Boris given your posts on the subject.
    I do fear Boris Johnson. I fear the damage he is inflicting on the country and the Conservative party by attracting people like you and Isam to be members. I also fear that gullible fools like you who support him might encourage him to stay where he is.

    I also often yawn in the afternoon, as I am sure most people on here do when they see one of your puerile ill-informed keyboard warrior posts on one subject or other that you have zero experience or perspective on.
    Boris Johnson didn't attract me to the Conservative Party, I've almost always been a Conservative. I voted for David Cameron in 2005 (after joining the Party repelled by the fact the blue rinse brigade had voted for IDS so I wanted a say next time).
    To be fair, the party always has had it's fair share of oddities. Sad thing is that they are currently still in the ascendency. The grown ups will eventually take it back though. Much the same is happening with Labour. The wierdos and oddities then become the minority as many leave and return to the extremist prejudiced swamps from which they came. I am sure the English National Party will have a role for a keyboard warrior.
  • isam said:

    ‘ In this week's #PMQsUnpacked, Matt Chorley and Patrick Maguire review Keir Starmer's appearance in the Commons:

    "Keir Starmer lacks that little bit of political stardust." ✨
    "He doesn't have a fourth gear." 🚘

    @MattChorley | @patrickkmaguire’

    https://twitter.com/timesradio/status/1466028780254904321?s=21

    Yawn, breaking news: "Isam", a candidate for UKIP or Brexit Party (can't remember which crypto-fascist party), more latterly, No2 PB fanboy for the most ludicrous PM in history, posts another obsessive uncomplimentary post about Sir Kier Starmer.

    He must really fear him to post so much crap to convince himself he isn't any good.
    Sorry to see you yawning in the afternoon, I'm guessing you must have just been listening to a Keir Starmer speech?

    It isn't big or clever to rephrase ever criticism as "fear". By your logic, you must really fear Boris given your posts on the subject.
    The Boris Man-love is strong with this one! :lol:
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038

    I wish people wouldn’t say “mandatory vaccines” when they mean something else.

    Mandatory vaccines are repugnant.
    But a surcharge for people who don’t / won’t get vaccinated is actually OK given the strain on health services.

    So is a surcharge for eating unwisely and having poor metabolic health, not exercising, living in poor housing, being of low social status. All of these make you more likely to get ill or die.

    The vaccine doesn't stop you spreading the disease or passing it on. All-cause mortality was statistically the same in the 'experimental' as in the 'control' group. Dr. Aseem Malhotra has given a 1 min. interview on the academic work suggesting a higher risk of heart disease in the vaccinated ... hardly surprising, given that it causes micro-blood clots for a period. Therefore I submit that you're talking b******s.

    Go and read some medical literature ... make your own minds up who is telling the truth.

    Funnily I've said that on & off for a year and no-one here seems to bother. They just rely on BBC and Guardian propaganda and the rest of the ... yuk .. 'Trusted News Initiative'.
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