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SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited November 14 in General
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What happens if there is no indyref2 before the next Holyrood election?

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  • MattWMattW Posts: 10,829
    I am firsty.

    Burrrrp.

    TSE on the blink.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,222
    I am secondy.

    And about to go for a run. ;)
  • pingping Posts: 1,421
    Furd
  • FishingFishing Posts: 3,036
    I don't think a second referendum defeat would kill Scottish nationalism stone dead - I'm sure they'd be back in a year or two (or even a day or two) with a pretext for a third vote. They are experts at conjuring grievances and reasons from nowhere.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 3,036
    (Not saying it wouldn't be a huge setback of course)
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 52,022
    Whatever my view of the shortcomings of this deal, Alok Sharma has shown himself to be a person of decency, integrity and commitment as #COP26  President.

    https://twitter.com/ed_miliband/status/1459623868730155012?s=21
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,992
    Should have been first but ended up half way down the field, unfairly punished by the stewards.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 52,022
    She gave Greta Thunberg an elbow bump, John Kerry a tartan tie and US congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez a can of Irn-Bru — and she gave herself the gift of massive publicity around the globe. Look this way, Nicola Sturgeon, whose daily snaps with celebrities and VIPs at Cop26 have earned her the nickname “Elsie McSelfie”.

    For months before 120 world leaders came to Glasgow, Boris Johnson’s ministers fretted about what to do about the SNP leader during the climate summit, worried that the nationalists might try to “hijack” the event to further their campaign for Scottish independence. As they ruminate over coverage of the fortnight-long negotiations, some will reflect this weekend that they were right.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nicola-sturgeon-in-sharp-focus-for-fortnight-of-selfies-at-cop26-d6ftcpp7t
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,370
    Betting Post

    F1: had this in mind since I saw the sprint race. Backed Hamilton to win at 3.9 (Betfair), hedged at 1.4.

    Will ramble more about when I've finished the just-begun pre-race tosh.

    Good morning, everyone.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,236
    Hello again!
    Ms Sturgeon has certainly managed to keep herself 'up there', and, so far as I could see from the London media avoid any negative publicity during the fortnight. Unlike PM Johnson, who hasn't even managed to give a coherent speech. However, the guy he dropped the President job onto seems to have done a good job, and, see above, earned praise from outside his own party.

    We wait to see, of course, what damage..... if any ..... Ms Arcuri's latest revelations do; it may be, of course, that they are regarded as old news. However, if our PM had 'started negotiations' with his current partner by the relevant time, there may be some fur to fly.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 52,022
    edited November 14
    European regional COVID:



    https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/5JTxB/81/

    And why some countries are rightly worried:



    WHO criterion for "pandemic under control" is below 5% of tests returning positive.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,992

    Betting Post

    F1: had this in mind since I saw the sprint race. Backed Hamilton to win at 3.9 (Betfair), hedged at 1.4.

    Will ramble more about when I've finished the just-begun pre-race tosh.

    Good morning, everyone.

    I think they’ve finally found the formula for making the sprint thingy exciting. Take the fastest driver from the qualifying session, and find a spurious reason to make him start last instead of first.

    Personally, I think that they should make the sprint things a standalone championship. They’re clearly not giving up on them, as it generates huge Friday in-person crowds and a massive bump in the TV audiences over the weekend - so do the full All-Amercian show with reverse grids, a $1m prize for the winning driver that’s paraded around in a briefcase, make it like a 20-20 cricket match on the rest day of a Test match.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,370
    Mr. Sandpit, if the imbeciles insist on having sprint races they could use it for a third driver for the teams. Qualify for the proper race Friday, have a stand-alone sprint race possibly with a reverse grid) for third drivers in their own championship on Saturday.

    Ramming it into a normal race weekend just doesn't work.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,319
    edited November 14

    European regional COVID:



    https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/5JTxB/81/

    And why some countries are rightly worried:



    WHO criterion for "pandemic under control" is below 5% of tests returning positive.

    The UK positivity figure on our world in data is half what the UK gov dashboard is reporting.
  • darkagedarkage Posts: 941
    Morning all.

    The issue about DNA collection from COVID testing which I mentioned last week made it to the front cover of todays Sunday times. The company in question is Cignpost Diagnostics who operate under the 'express test' brand, and it appears they are now under investigation by the ICO and the HTA.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/testing-firm-can-profit-from-sale-of-covid-swabs-w6vkb2f2f
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,370
    F1: pre-race ramble, with another tip. Gosh.

    Backed Mercedes at 1.95 for a double podium:
    https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2021/11/brazil-pre-race-2021.html
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,236
    darkage said:

    Morning all.

    The issue about DNA collection from COVID testing which I mentioned last week made it to the front cover of todays Sunday times. The company in question is Cignpost Diagnostics who operate under the 'express test' brand, and it appears they are now under investigation by the ICO and the HTA.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/testing-firm-can-profit-from-sale-of-covid-swabs-w6vkb2f2f

    Thanks for this.
    I don't mind donating DNA for testing if I know what's happening, and why. It's when it's sneaky, and obviously for financial gain that I and, I suspect, most if not all of us, draw a big black line.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 52,022
    Alistair said:

    European regional COVID:



    https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/5JTxB/81/

    And why some countries are rightly worried:



    WHO criterion for "pandemic under control" is below 5% of tests returning positive.

    The UK positivity figure on our world in data is half what the UK gov dashboard is reporting.
    ?

    Last seven days:
    Positive: 256,207
    Tested: 6,126,434
    %: 4.2%

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 7,918
    Sandpit said:

    do the full All-Amercian show with reverse grids, a $1m prize for the winning driver that’s paraded around in a briefcase, make it like a 20-20 cricket match on the rest day of a Test match.

    NASCAR uses 1-20/21-40 reverse grids (and occasionally by drawing lots) which works well enough.

    IndyCar (which is obviously what F1 wants to be when it grows up as Indy is a money making machine) does a reverse grid by team points on ovals which is interesting and some insanely complicated system nobody understands for road courses which is less interesting. Indy 500 has its own four lap system.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 21,319
    edited November 14

    Alistair said:

    European regional COVID:



    https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/5JTxB/81/

    And why some countries are rightly worried:



    WHO criterion for "pandemic under control" is below 5% of tests returning positive.

    The UK positivity figure on our world in data is half what the UK gov dashboard is reporting.
    ?

    Last seven days:
    Positive: 256,207
    Tested: 6,126,434
    %: 4.2%

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
    Ah, that's including LFDs. I was just using PCR tests.

    Whoch means the UKs figure is actually lower than the our world in data graph because I believe that Scotland doesn't report LFD test figures.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,992

    Mr. Sandpit, if the imbeciles insist on having sprint races they could use it for a third driver for the teams. Qualify for the proper race Friday, have a stand-alone sprint race possibly with a reverse grid) for third drivers in their own championship on Saturday.

    Ramming it into a normal race weekend just doesn't work.

    Yes, there’s all sorts of fun things you could do with it. Make the teams substitute one driver for a rookie, start each sprint in reverse championship order, give them a new engine and let them turn it up to 11, run them at places like Monaco with Mazespin on pole and Lewis at the back.

    The one thing they need to stop doing, is using it to set the grid for Sunday’s race. There’s too much jeopardy there, no-one wants to go for half a gap and end up last on Sunday. You need to be Lewis Hamilton to make progress, which of course he does very well indeed.

    On today’s race, there’s a high chance of a safety car here, worth looking at the price, I’d take 1.25. Lewis for a podium is probably so short it’s worth laying. Max and Valtteri to take each other out, is probably worth 10/1 if you can find it (both to not finish?), I think the Finn got roasted by Herr Wolff after last weekend’s miserable attempt at defending the first corner.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 4,390
    Perhaps Salmond has toxified the field for Ref2 fundamentalists. If you exclude UDI and semi legal referendums (I agree they won't happen) all the SNP has left is winning elections and making noise. They are good at these.

    As Sturgeon would be nuts to actually have a Ref2 she would lose, the status quo suits everyone. Boris is there to blame, the SNP have all the jobs in Holyrood and Westminster, they still have all the English cash, and don't have to provide non-Unicorn answers to hard questions.

    I think Nicola will last long time yet, but keep an eye on Kate Forbes.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,228
    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Sandpit, if the imbeciles insist on having sprint races they could use it for a third driver for the teams. Qualify for the proper race Friday, have a stand-alone sprint race possibly with a reverse grid) for third drivers in their own championship on Saturday.

    Ramming it into a normal race weekend just doesn't work.

    Yes, there’s all sorts of fun things you could do with it. Make the teams substitute one driver for a rookie, start each sprint in reverse championship order, give them a new engine and let them turn it up to 11, run them at places like Monaco with Mazespin on pole and Lewis at the back.

    The one thing they need to stop doing, is using it to set the grid for Sunday’s race. There’s too much jeopardy there, no-one wants to go for half a gap and end up last on Sunday. You need to be Lewis Hamilton to make progress, which of course he does very well indeed.

    On today’s race, there’s a high chance of a safety car here, worth looking at the price, I’d take 1.25. Lewis for a podium is probably so short it’s worth laying. Max and Valtteri to take each other out, is probably worth 10/1 if you can find it (both to not finish?), I think the Finn got roasted by Herr Wolff after last weekend’s miserable attempt at defending the first corner.
    After the way he’s been treated by Mercedes I’m not sure he’ll actually care if he’s toasted by Wolff. Indeed, looking at events he seems to have become noticeably less aggressive since Mercedes sacked him.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,222
    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Sandpit, if the imbeciles insist on having sprint races they could use it for a third driver for the teams. Qualify for the proper race Friday, have a stand-alone sprint race possibly with a reverse grid) for third drivers in their own championship on Saturday.

    Ramming it into a normal race weekend just doesn't work.

    Yes, there’s all sorts of fun things you could do with it. Make the teams substitute one driver for a rookie, start each sprint in reverse championship order, give them a new engine and let them turn it up to 11, run them at places like Monaco with Mazespin on pole and Lewis at the back.

    The one thing they need to stop doing, is using it to set the grid for Sunday’s race. There’s too much jeopardy there, no-one wants to go for half a gap and end up last on Sunday. You need to be Lewis Hamilton to make progress, which of course he does very well indeed.

    On today’s race, there’s a high chance of a safety car here, worth looking at the price, I’d take 1.25. Lewis for a podium is probably so short it’s worth laying. Max and Valtteri to take each other out, is probably worth 10/1 if you can find it (both to not finish?), I think the Finn got roasted by Herr Wolff after last weekend’s miserable attempt at defending the first corner.
    After the way he’s been treated by Mercedes I’m not sure he’ll actually care if he’s toasted by Wolff. Indeed, looking at events he seems to have become noticeably less aggressive since Mercedes sacked him.
    How has he been mistreated by Mercedes? He's had at least a season, perhaps two, more with the team than his results deserved - especially as they have plenty of younger drivers on their books. Look at Red Bull for a team that really treats second drivers poorly.

    Bottas's problems have one root cause: his own underperformance.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 43,228

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Sandpit, if the imbeciles insist on having sprint races they could use it for a third driver for the teams. Qualify for the proper race Friday, have a stand-alone sprint race possibly with a reverse grid) for third drivers in their own championship on Saturday.

    Ramming it into a normal race weekend just doesn't work.

    Yes, there’s all sorts of fun things you could do with it. Make the teams substitute one driver for a rookie, start each sprint in reverse championship order, give them a new engine and let them turn it up to 11, run them at places like Monaco with Mazespin on pole and Lewis at the back.

    The one thing they need to stop doing, is using it to set the grid for Sunday’s race. There’s too much jeopardy there, no-one wants to go for half a gap and end up last on Sunday. You need to be Lewis Hamilton to make progress, which of course he does very well indeed.

    On today’s race, there’s a high chance of a safety car here, worth looking at the price, I’d take 1.25. Lewis for a podium is probably so short it’s worth laying. Max and Valtteri to take each other out, is probably worth 10/1 if you can find it (both to not finish?), I think the Finn got roasted by Herr Wolff after last weekend’s miserable attempt at defending the first corner.
    After the way he’s been treated by Mercedes I’m not sure he’ll actually care if he’s toasted by Wolff. Indeed, looking at events he seems to have become noticeably less aggressive since Mercedes sacked him.
    How has he been mistreated by Mercedes? He's had at least a season, perhaps two, more with the team than his results deserved - especially as they have plenty of younger drivers on their books. Look at Red Bull for a team that really treats second drivers poorly.

    Bottas's problems have one root cause: his own underperformance.
    He was sacked by newspaper leak for doing what the team told him to - ride shotgun to Hamilton.

    I think he has the right to be a bit miffed about that even if he hasn't been the fastest driver in the race.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,370
    Bottas being blamed for the cross-threaded wheel nut in Monaco was ridiculous.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 7,918

    Bottas being blamed for the cross-threaded wheel nut in Monaco was ridiculous.

    F1 wheel nuts (in common with almost all other motorsport centre lock nuts) have delayed lead in threads that are the same as the minor diameter of the thread so you can't misalign the nut relative to the axle. So, in theory, you can't cross thread it. It's more likely that the pit monkey fired up the gun (3,000Nm torque!) before the socket was fully engaged rounding the nut off making it impossible to remove.

    If the team are saying it was cross threaded they are probably lying (Lying! In motorsport? Never!) for sibylline reasons of their own.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,992
    Dura_Ace said:

    Bottas being blamed for the cross-threaded wheel nut in Monaco was ridiculous.

    F1 wheel nuts (in common with almost all other motorsport centre lock nuts) have delayed lead in threads that are the same as the minor diameter of the thread so you can't misalign the nut relative to the axle. So, in theory, you can't cross thread it. It's more likely that the pit monkey fired up the gun (3,000Nm torque!) before the socket was fully engaged rounding the nut off making it impossible to remove.

    If the team are saying it was cross threaded they are probably lying (Lying! In motorsport? Never!) for sibylline reasons of their own.
    That’s pretty much exactly what happened. The nut got rounded by the gun and they couldn’t remove it - to the point that they had to ship the car back to the factory after the race with the wheel still attached!
    https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/mercedes-reveals-video-bottas-wheel-removal/6516504/
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 20,895
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ex-barclays-boss-jes-staley-turns-to-top-qc-in-fightback-over-epstein-links-7qwz2qhx2

    Pannick on the case for Staley.

    It also looks as if there are rumblings about the internal investigation which Barclays did when all this first surfaced and its thoroughness.

    What I find odd is this statement -

    "Barclays has made it clear that the investigation by the FCA and the Prudential Regulation Authority did not find that Staley “saw or was aware of any of Mr Epstein’s alleged crimes”.

    How can they say this with a straight face. Staley, it is reported, visited Epstein in prison after he had been convicted in 2009 for procuring a child for prostitution.

    "alleged crimes"? "Not aware"?

    That claim might be plausible before conviction. But afterwards?

    There is also some history between the FCA and Barclays re Staley. The FCA really failed to deal adequately with Staley's misbehaviour over a bank whistleblower, in part because Barclays had already done an internal investigation. It looked as if the FCA were bounced into accepting that investigation and not taking tougher action. A mistake.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,222
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Sandpit, if the imbeciles insist on having sprint races they could use it for a third driver for the teams. Qualify for the proper race Friday, have a stand-alone sprint race possibly with a reverse grid) for third drivers in their own championship on Saturday.

    Ramming it into a normal race weekend just doesn't work.

    Yes, there’s all sorts of fun things you could do with it. Make the teams substitute one driver for a rookie, start each sprint in reverse championship order, give them a new engine and let them turn it up to 11, run them at places like Monaco with Mazespin on pole and Lewis at the back.

    The one thing they need to stop doing, is using it to set the grid for Sunday’s race. There’s too much jeopardy there, no-one wants to go for half a gap and end up last on Sunday. You need to be Lewis Hamilton to make progress, which of course he does very well indeed.

    On today’s race, there’s a high chance of a safety car here, worth looking at the price, I’d take 1.25. Lewis for a podium is probably so short it’s worth laying. Max and Valtteri to take each other out, is probably worth 10/1 if you can find it (both to not finish?), I think the Finn got roasted by Herr Wolff after last weekend’s miserable attempt at defending the first corner.
    After the way he’s been treated by Mercedes I’m not sure he’ll actually care if he’s toasted by Wolff. Indeed, looking at events he seems to have become noticeably less aggressive since Mercedes sacked him.
    How has he been mistreated by Mercedes? He's had at least a season, perhaps two, more with the team than his results deserved - especially as they have plenty of younger drivers on their books. Look at Red Bull for a team that really treats second drivers poorly.

    Bottas's problems have one root cause: his own underperformance.
    He was sacked by newspaper leak for doing what the team told him to - ride shotgun to Hamilton.

    I think he has the right to be a bit miffed about that even if he hasn't been the fastest driver in the race.
    Nah, I fundamentally disagree with this. He has underperformed by a significant margin over the last couple of years, meaning that he's often not been in a position to help Hamilton. Except perhaps this year, Mercedes have been fairly fair in driver treatment before one (Hamilton) has got far ahead in the standings.

    Bottas has got very little reason to complain. If he'd performed better, he'd be at Mercedes in 2022. Heck, if he'd performed better he might have got a championship. He had the hardware to.

    As for newspaper leak: the media had been talking about Bottas being replaced by Russell for 18 months. Bottas had the means to quench that talk by performing well, for himself and the team. He failed to do so, and so the media talked.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 26,222

    Bottas being blamed for the cross-threaded wheel nut in Monaco was ridiculous.

    Yep, that was wrong of the team. AFAIUI he contributed to it by misplacing the car in the pits; but there were too many other factors for him to get the blame: the mechanic, the design, the materials etc.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 57,370
    Mr. Jessop, from memory, the claim he missed his marks was plain wrong and an attempt to blame him, at least in part, for a problem that had nothing to do with Bottas.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 52,022
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    European regional COVID:



    https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/5JTxB/81/

    And why some countries are rightly worried:



    WHO criterion for "pandemic under control" is below 5% of tests returning positive.

    The UK positivity figure on our world in data is half what the UK gov dashboard is reporting.
    ?

    Last seven days:
    Positive: 256,207
    Tested: 6,126,434
    %: 4.2%

    https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
    Scotland doesn't report LFD test figures.
    Any idea why not? I thought they were viewed as highly reliable these days (after a slightly iffy start).
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 16,501
    EXCL: Jacob Rees-Mogg becomes first Cabinet minister dragged into outside interests row - after not declaring £6m in cheap loans from his Cayman Islands-linked company

    In tomorrow's Mail on Sunday https://twitter.com/AVMikhailova/status/1459650263795605515/photo/1
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,564
    Alistair said:

    European regional COVID:



    https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/5JTxB/81/

    And why some countries are rightly worried:



    WHO criterion for "pandemic under control" is below 5% of tests returning positive.

    The UK positivity figure on our world in data is half what the UK gov dashboard is reporting.
    Someone needs to sort out the colours on that map - at a glance you'd expect bright red to be the worst.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 52,022
    Support for the SNP and Scottish independence is holding up, with the party tipped to gain seats at the next UK general election but less than a quarter of voters now expect Scotland to leave the Union in the next five years.

    The latest Panelbase survey for The Sunday Times puts backing for the SNP at Westminster at 48 per cent (up one point since September) while support for the Conservatives has slipped two points to 21 per cent, Labour is up one at 20 per cent and the Lib Dems are unchanged on 7 per cent. It comes after weeks of allegations of Tory sleaze.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/poll-tips-snp-to-gain-westminster-seats-but-no-change-for-union-within-five-years-rf96rptww
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,932

    Hello again!
    Ms Sturgeon has certainly managed to keep herself 'up there', and, so far as I could see from the London media avoid any negative publicity during the fortnight. Unlike PM Johnson, who hasn't even managed to give a coherent speech. However, the guy he dropped the President job onto seems to have done a good job, and, see above, earned praise from outside his own party.

    We wait to see, of course, what damage..... if any ..... Ms Arcuri's latest revelations do; it may be, of course, that they are regarded as old news. However, if our PM had 'started negotiations' with his current partner by the relevant time, there may be some fur to fly.

    Is there any new information? A bit of purple prose “Let me be your throttle…put your hand there and pull…”

    But why is she doing this? I suppose making a bit of money or liking the attention? I guess the rest of her career hasn’t gone too well
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,992
    eek said:

    Regarding Boris and Ms Arcuri

    As he's got older he's had to promise more and more to burds to get them to shag him, he's had to give the current one his job!

    It will be rather amusing, if it turns out there’s an overlap in his relationships with Ms Arcuri and Ms Symonds.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 16,772
    Charles said:

    Hello again!
    Ms Sturgeon has certainly managed to keep herself 'up there', and, so far as I could see from the London media avoid any negative publicity during the fortnight. Unlike PM Johnson, who hasn't even managed to give a coherent speech. However, the guy he dropped the President job onto seems to have done a good job, and, see above, earned praise from outside his own party.

    We wait to see, of course, what damage..... if any ..... Ms Arcuri's latest revelations do; it may be, of course, that they are regarded as old news. However, if our PM had 'started negotiations' with his current partner by the relevant time, there may be some fur to fly.

    Is there any new information? A bit of purple prose “Let me be your throttle…put your hand there and pull…”

    But why is she doing this? I suppose making a bit of money or liking the attention? I guess the rest of her career hasn’t gone too well
    Life after Boris has done with you and moved on not so good? A warning for the Conservative party?
  • alex_alex_ Posts: 6,910
    edited November 14
    Alistair said:

    European regional COVID:



    https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/5JTxB/81/

    And why some countries are rightly worried:



    WHO criterion for "pandemic under control" is below 5% of tests returning positive.

    The UK positivity figure on our world in data is half what the UK gov dashboard is reporting.
    Surely the positivity rates are highly misleading though? (even if in general higher levels of testing will pick up more (asymptomatic) cases). Clearly if you mass test routinely (as the UK does) then you are (in principle) going to have lower rates than if you test only based on suspicion. However an enormous number of UK tests presumably aren't reported (negative LFTs) although probably many are. But then the question is whether any sort of self reported LFT testing is of any use for these stats. If only positive LFTs are reported then they will have 100% positivity, so will massively exaggerate the positivity rate. Even if all positive LFTs are followed up (and replaced in stats) by PCRs then you would expect them to have very high positivity rates.

    Basically there is reason to think that the high level of UK testing will result in lower positivity rates. But countering that the inclusion of self reported LFTs may mean higher positivity for those. So basically the actual rate is pretty meaningless.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 52,022
    Migrants Say Belarusians Took Them to E.U. Border and Supplied Wire Cutters - the twisted, miserable journey from Kurdistan to the middle of crisis in Europe

    https://twitter.com/janearraf/status/1459469939790725128?s=20
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,932
    Scott_xP said:

    EXCL: Jacob Rees-Mogg becomes first Cabinet minister dragged into outside interests row - after not declaring £6m in cheap loans from his Cayman Islands-linked company

    In tomorrow's Mail on Sunday https://twitter.com/AVMikhailova/status/1459650263795605515/photo/1

    They are really scrapping the barrel

    Man takes loan from company he owns.

    Again it’s a really technical breach so I can’t see it deserves anything but a reprimand from the standards commissioner at most.

    But the optics, like Cox, look horrible
  • eekeek Posts: 15,853
    Jonathan said:

    Charles said:

    Hello again!
    Ms Sturgeon has certainly managed to keep herself 'up there', and, so far as I could see from the London media avoid any negative publicity during the fortnight. Unlike PM Johnson, who hasn't even managed to give a coherent speech. However, the guy he dropped the President job onto seems to have done a good job, and, see above, earned praise from outside his own party.

    We wait to see, of course, what damage..... if any ..... Ms Arcuri's latest revelations do; it may be, of course, that they are regarded as old news. However, if our PM had 'started negotiations' with his current partner by the relevant time, there may be some fur to fly.

    Is there any new information? A bit of purple prose “Let me be your throttle…put your hand there and pull…”

    But why is she doing this? I suppose making a bit of money or liking the attention? I guess the rest of her career hasn’t gone too well
    Life after Boris has done with you and moved on not so good? A warning for the Conservative party?
    The issue is I don’t think her business ever had a source of business / revenue beyond government grants.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 7,918
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    Regarding Boris and Ms Arcuri

    As he's got older he's had to promise more and more to burds to get them to shag him, he's had to give the current one his job!

    It will be rather amusing, if it turns out there’s an overlap in his relationships with Ms Arcuri and Ms Symonds.
    Carrie has already "overlapped" with two others!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 34,081

    Mr. Sandpit, if the imbeciles insist on having sprint races they could use it for a third driver for the teams. Qualify for the proper race Friday, have a stand-alone sprint race possibly with a reverse grid) for third drivers in their own championship on Saturday.

    Ramming it into a normal race weekend just doesn't work.

    With the budget cap, none of the leading teams would ever contemplate such a thing, without a separate budget to pay for the inevitable shunts.

    Those odds for a Hamilton win look very ungenerous to me. It’s possible, but doesn’t seem that likely without the assistance of a safety car - not to mention the possibility of his race being over on the first lap.
  • Scott_xP said:

    EXCL: Jacob Rees-Mogg becomes first Cabinet minister dragged into outside interests row - after not declaring £6m in cheap loans from his Cayman Islands-linked company

    In tomorrow's Mail on Sunday https://twitter.com/AVMikhailova/status/1459650263795605515/photo/1

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10199503/Jacob-Rees-Mogg-broken-rules-not-declaring-6million-cheap-loans.html

    Another story that really isn't good for the Tories. Before someone (probably Charles) comes along and says he's done nothing wrong, that isn't the point.

    There is a major issue here - getting worse by the day - for the Tories where the reality of "they/Boris are just like us" thinking from Brexit is showed up. They are nothing like ordinary people. Your average voter doesn't have a holding company in the Cayman Islands which he can use to advance cheap loans to add to your £8m property empire.

    A lot of voters swallowed a lie that Brexit was being done for them against the man. They voted Tory in 2019 for the same. Now they're discovering the Tories were the man all along and have done very very nicely over the last few years thanks very much whilst making you poorer.

    Identity politics is huge. Smash the facade, people not only no longer identify with you but think they've been lied to, they aren't going to keep voting for you.
  • eekeek Posts: 15,853
    Charles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCL: Jacob Rees-Mogg becomes first Cabinet minister dragged into outside interests row - after not declaring £6m in cheap loans from his Cayman Islands-linked company

    In tomorrow's Mail on Sunday https://twitter.com/AVMikhailova/status/1459650263795605515/photo/1

    They are really scrapping the barrel

    Man takes loan from company he owns.

    Again it’s a really technical breach so I can’t see it deserves anything but a reprimand from the standards commissioner at most.

    But the optics, like Cox, look horrible
    Yes but it allows the Cayman Islands to be mentioned which may quicklly move on to why is someone in the UK using a location famous for tax avoidance.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 4,581
    alex_ said:

    Alistair said:

    European regional COVID:



    https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/5JTxB/81/

    And why some countries are rightly worried:



    WHO criterion for "pandemic under control" is below 5% of tests returning positive.

    The UK positivity figure on our world in data is half what the UK gov dashboard is reporting.
    Surely the positivity rates are highly misleading though? (even if in general higher levels of testing will pick up more (asymptomatic) cases). Clearly if you mass test routinely (as the UK does) then you are (in principle) going to have lower rates than if you test only based on suspicion. However an enormous number of UK tests presumably aren't reported (negative LFTs) although probably many are. But then the question is whether any sort of self reported LFT testing is of any use for these stats. If only positive LFTs are reported then they will have 100% positivity, so will massively exaggerate the positivity rate. Even if all positive LFTs are followed up (and replaced in stats) by PCRs then you would expect them to have very high positivity rates.

    Basically there is reason to think that the high level of UK testing will result in lower positivity rates. But countering that the inclusion of self reported LFTs may mean higher positivity for those. So basically the actual rate is pretty meaningless.
    And then magnify the issue across all the countries on the graph, all no doubt doing different testing regimes. We have little idea of the true picture on the ground in other countries.
    In the U.K., the ons is probably about right, but always a week or two behind.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 737
    Nicola Sturgeon wants a referendum even less than Boris. Things will plod on as they are until the next GE. The biggest risk to her is that SNP supporters sit on their hands if there is no movement before then. Nicola may realise that and take her desired high profile global job before then, probably something woke, leaving her successor to pick up the pieces.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 34,081
    edited November 14
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Sandpit said:

    Mr. Sandpit, if the imbeciles insist on having sprint races they could use it for a third driver for the teams. Qualify for the proper race Friday, have a stand-alone sprint race possibly with a reverse grid) for third drivers in their own championship on Saturday.

    Ramming it into a normal race weekend just doesn't work.

    Yes, there’s all sorts of fun things you could do with it. Make the teams substitute one driver for a rookie, start each sprint in reverse championship order, give them a new engine and let them turn it up to 11, run them at places like Monaco with Mazespin on pole and Lewis at the back.

    The one thing they need to stop doing, is using it to set the grid for Sunday’s race. There’s too much jeopardy there, no-one wants to go for half a gap and end up last on Sunday. You need to be Lewis Hamilton to make progress, which of course he does very well indeed.

    On today’s race, there’s a high chance of a safety car here, worth looking at the price, I’d take 1.25. Lewis for a podium is probably so short it’s worth laying. Max and Valtteri to take each other out, is probably worth 10/1 if you can find it (both to not finish?), I think the Finn got roasted by Herr Wolff after last weekend’s miserable attempt at defending the first corner.
    After the way he’s been treated by Mercedes I’m not sure he’ll actually care if he’s toasted by Wolff. Indeed, looking at events he seems to have become noticeably less aggressive since Mercedes sacked him.
    How has he been mistreated by Mercedes? He's had at least a season, perhaps two, more with the team than his results deserved - especially as they have plenty of younger drivers on their books. Look at Red Bull for a team that really treats second drivers poorly.

    Bottas's problems have one root cause: his own underperformance.
    He was sacked by newspaper leak for doing what the team told him to - ride shotgun to Hamilton.

    I think he has the right to be a bit miffed about that even if he hasn't been the fastest driver in the race.
    He was sacked because he’s more than a bit rubbish as a racer compared to his peers. Being quick over a lap isn’t enough.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 7,918

    Nicola Sturgeon wants a referendum even less than Boris.

    This has been readily apparent for years now. Sturgeon is doing absolutely nothing to get IndyRef2 and shows no signs of doing so.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 4,742
    Cyclefree said:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ex-barclays-boss-jes-staley-turns-to-top-qc-in-fightback-over-epstein-links-7qwz2qhx2

    Pannick on the case for Staley.

    It also looks as if there are rumblings about the internal investigation which Barclays did when all this first surfaced and its thoroughness.

    What I find odd is this statement -

    "Barclays has made it clear that the investigation by the FCA and the Prudential Regulation Authority did not find that Staley “saw or was aware of any of Mr Epstein’s alleged crimes”.

    How can they say this with a straight face. Staley, it is reported, visited Epstein in prison after he had been convicted in 2009 for procuring a child for prostitution.

    "alleged crimes"? "Not aware"?

    That claim might be plausible before conviction. But afterwards?

    There is also some history between the FCA and Barclays re Staley. The FCA really failed to deal adequately with Staley's misbehaviour over a bank whistleblower, in part because Barclays had already done an internal investigation. It looked as if the FCA were bounced into accepting that investigation and not taking tougher action. A mistake.

    Presumably the issue is whether he knew of the crimes before or during commission.

    It is not normally expected that convicted criminals' friends and relatives disown them: prison visiting is a thing.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 737
    alex_ said:

    Alistair said:

    European regional COVID:



    https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/5JTxB/81/

    And why some countries are rightly worried:



    WHO criterion for "pandemic under control" is below 5% of tests returning positive.

    The UK positivity figure on our world in data is half what the UK gov dashboard is reporting.
    Surely the positivity rates are highly misleading though? (even if in general higher levels of testing will pick up more (asymptomatic) cases). Clearly if you mass test routinely (as the UK does) then you are (in principle) going to have lower rates than if you test only based on suspicion. However an enormous number of UK tests presumably aren't reported (negative LFTs) although probably many are. But then the question is whether any sort of self reported LFT testing is of any use for these stats. If only positive LFTs are reported then they will have 100% positivity, so will massively exaggerate the positivity rate. Even if all positive LFTs are followed up (and replaced in stats) by PCRs then you would expect them to have very high positivity rates.

    Basically there is reason to think that the high level of UK testing will result in lower positivity rates. But countering that the inclusion of self reported LFTs may mean higher positivity for those. So basically the actual rate is pretty meaningless.
    We take and a report our LFT results twice weekly. I have no idea if they are included in official statistics. Can anyone tell me, please?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 34,992
    Nigelb said:

    Mr. Sandpit, if the imbeciles insist on having sprint races they could use it for a third driver for the teams. Qualify for the proper race Friday, have a stand-alone sprint race possibly with a reverse grid) for third drivers in their own championship on Saturday.

    Ramming it into a normal race weekend just doesn't work.

    With the budget cap, none of the leading teams would ever contemplate such a thing, without a separate budget to pay for the inevitable shunts.

    Those odds for a Hamilton win look very ungenerous to me. It’s possible, but doesn’t seem that likely without the assistance of a safety car - not to mention the possibility of his race being over on the first lap.
    Agreed on all points. You’d need a separate sponsored prize fund for the sprint series, to give the teams the an incentive to compete hard. If you play around with the format a bit, you’ll probably find that one of the midfield teams takes the trophy at the end of the season.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 4,581

    alex_ said:

    Alistair said:

    European regional COVID:



    https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/5JTxB/81/

    And why some countries are rightly worried:



    WHO criterion for "pandemic under control" is below 5% of tests returning positive.

    The UK positivity figure on our world in data is half what the UK gov dashboard is reporting.
    Surely the positivity rates are highly misleading though? (even if in general higher levels of testing will pick up more (asymptomatic) cases). Clearly if you mass test routinely (as the UK does) then you are (in principle) going to have lower rates than if you test only based on suspicion. However an enormous number of UK tests presumably aren't reported (negative LFTs) although probably many are. But then the question is whether any sort of self reported LFT testing is of any use for these stats. If only positive LFTs are reported then they will have 100% positivity, so will massively exaggerate the positivity rate. Even if all positive LFTs are followed up (and replaced in stats) by PCRs then you would expect them to have very high positivity rates.

    Basically there is reason to think that the high level of UK testing will result in lower positivity rates. But countering that the inclusion of self reported LFTs may mean higher positivity for those. So basically the actual rate is pretty meaningless.
    We take and a report our LFT results twice weekly. I have no idea if they are included in official statistics. Can anyone tell me, please?
    Where are you reporting to? Almost certainly the answer is yes. I mean which tests did you think they were referring to?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,932
    eek said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCL: Jacob Rees-Mogg becomes first Cabinet minister dragged into outside interests row - after not declaring £6m in cheap loans from his Cayman Islands-linked company

    In tomorrow's Mail on Sunday https://twitter.com/AVMikhailova/status/1459650263795605515/photo/1

    They are really scrapping the barrel

    Man takes loan from company he owns.

    Again it’s a really technical breach so I can’t see it deserves anything but a reprimand from the standards commissioner at most.

    But the optics, like Cox, look horrible
    Yes but it allows the Cayman Islands to be mentioned which may quicklly move on to why is someone in the UK using a location famous for tax avoidance.
    It sounds like it is just a property holding company though so I’d assume that JRM is paying the enveloped dwelling tax
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 20,895

    Cyclefree said:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ex-barclays-boss-jes-staley-turns-to-top-qc-in-fightback-over-epstein-links-7qwz2qhx2

    Pannick on the case for Staley.

    It also looks as if there are rumblings about the internal investigation which Barclays did when all this first surfaced and its thoroughness.

    What I find odd is this statement -

    "Barclays has made it clear that the investigation by the FCA and the Prudential Regulation Authority did not find that Staley “saw or was aware of any of Mr Epstein’s alleged crimes”.

    How can they say this with a straight face. Staley, it is reported, visited Epstein in prison after he had been convicted in 2009 for procuring a child for prostitution.

    "alleged crimes"? "Not aware"?

    That claim might be plausible before conviction. But afterwards?

    There is also some history between the FCA and Barclays re Staley. The FCA really failed to deal adequately with Staley's misbehaviour over a bank whistleblower, in part because Barclays had already done an internal investigation. It looked as if the FCA were bounced into accepting that investigation and not taking tougher action. A mistake.

    Presumably the issue is whether he knew of the crimes before or during commission.

    It is not normally expected that convicted criminals' friends and relatives disown them: prison visiting is a thing.
    Three problems with that:-

    1. The statement does not make the caveat you are making.
    2. Throughout the position has been that this was a professional relationship only ie he was his banker advising him in relation to the funds he was managing. Not a friend. Professional bankers do not usually visit people in prison.
    3. The crime was procurement of a child for prostitution. Did no-one wonder whether it was wise to associate with such a person? After all this is exactly one of the criticisms made of Andrew - that he continued his friendship with Epstein even after his conviction. Staley is meant to be brighter than Andrew.

    The other interesting aspect of this case is that the FCA will have had to approve Staley when he became Barclays CEO. How much - and in what detail - did he and Barclays tell them? How much digging of their own did the FCA do?

    It will be interesting to see whether the argument run by Staley is "I told the FCA everything" or "So what if I was friends with a child abuser. That's irrelevant to whether I was fit and proper to run a UK bank".
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 68,504

    alex_ said:

    Alistair said:

    European regional COVID:



    https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/5JTxB/81/

    And why some countries are rightly worried:



    WHO criterion for "pandemic under control" is below 5% of tests returning positive.

    The UK positivity figure on our world in data is half what the UK gov dashboard is reporting.
    Surely the positivity rates are highly misleading though? (even if in general higher levels of testing will pick up more (asymptomatic) cases). Clearly if you mass test routinely (as the UK does) then you are (in principle) going to have lower rates than if you test only based on suspicion. However an enormous number of UK tests presumably aren't reported (negative LFTs) although probably many are. But then the question is whether any sort of self reported LFT testing is of any use for these stats. If only positive LFTs are reported then they will have 100% positivity, so will massively exaggerate the positivity rate. Even if all positive LFTs are followed up (and replaced in stats) by PCRs then you would expect them to have very high positivity rates.

    Basically there is reason to think that the high level of UK testing will result in lower positivity rates. But countering that the inclusion of self reported LFTs may mean higher positivity for those. So basically the actual rate is pretty meaningless.
    We take and a report our LFT results twice weekly. I have no idea if they are included in official statistics. Can anyone tell me, please?
    Yes they are. I've not bothered reporting the last few -ve lat flows I did. Non reporting negatives skews positivity % up.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,925
    edited November 14
    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 4,581

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    She’s dead, isn’t she. Fake photo of her driving, sudden cancellations. London Bridge is down, but they are handling the presentation...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,925
    edited November 14

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    She’s dead, isn’t she. Fake photo of her driving, sudden cancellations. London Bridge is down, but they are handling the presentation...
    They reckon The Queen's funeral and mourning period will be a super spreader event so they'll announce it during the summer.

    Or she hates our armed forces by shamefully disrespecting them like this.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,564

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    She’s dead, isn’t she. Fake photo of her driving, sudden cancellations. London Bridge is down, but they are handling the presentation...
    Surely in such a hypothetical, it would suit those in power to push sleaze out of the news?
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 9,813

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    How do you sprain your back while resting on doctor's orders?
  • Racist Essex people.

    Cricket’s racism scandal deepens today as a player claims he was nicknamed Bomber by team-mates the day after the 9/11 attacks.

    Muslim Zoheb Sharif alleges he was also called “curry muncher” while playing for Essex.

    His allegations emerge following racism revelations by ex-Yorkshire player Azeem Rafiq that led to the club losing sponsors and the right to host Tests.


    On Friday Essex chair John Faragher resigned after an allegation he used racist language at a board meeting in 2017, which he strongly denies.

    Zoheb, 38, said he was speaking out because he could see “many parallels” between the Rafiq case at Yorkshire and what he had been through. He said: “Azim has shone a light on what’s been going on.


    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/ex-cricket-player-says-i-25452875
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 4,581
    IshmaelZ said:

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    How do you sprain your back while resting on doctor's orders?
    I did mine three weeks ago sprawled in my chair...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 90,516
    As long as Boris remains PM he will not grant an indyref2. There are no benefits to him in terms of the risk it poses to the Union, while refusing it means he can continue to hold up the prospect of a PM Starmer propped up by the SNP which on current polls is a real prospect at the next general election. Sturgeon too has no desire to press the issue too hard with most polls still putting No ahead.

    However, if there is a hung parliament in 2023/4 and the SNP do have the balance of power then inevitably they will have to push for an indyref2 and Starmer would have to give it to them to be able to get into No 10 and get any legislation through Parliament
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 34,932

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    She’s dead, isn’t she. Fake photo of her driving, sudden cancellations. London Bridge is down, but they are handling the presentation...
    They reckon The Queen's funeral and mourning period will be a super spreader event so they'll announce it during the summer.

    Or she hates our armed forces by shamefully disrespecting them like this.
    Regardless of your views on the monarchy this is someone’s mother and grandmother you are talking about.

  • IshmaelZ said:

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    How do you sprain your back while resting on doctor's orders?
    It is a mystery.

    I wonder if we will have a Bertrand Dawson de nos jours?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 36,564
    The Sunday Rawnsley:

    Many Tories are furious with their leader over the blowback from the Owen Paterson affair, but not all that anger is of the noble variety. A lot are cross because the prime minister’s shabby scheming has triggered a torrent of stories about moonlighting MPs and the voters, many of whom won’t have been previously conscious of it, don’t like what they see.

    It is telling that MPs sitting for marginals are much less likely to have other jobs compared with those enthroned on large majorities. The most sleaze-intolerant Tory MPs tend to be those who came into parliament recently, often represent previously Labour constituencies and have smallish majorities that are in jeopardy if an appalled public turns on the Tories. The sleaze-tolerant Tory MPs tend to be those who have been comfortably ensconced in parliament for a long time. They sit on fat majorities and that has fed their sense of entitlement.

    Legislators should not be lobbyists. A ban on MPs taking on paid roles as “consultants”, “advisers” and “strategists” was recommended by the committee on standards in public life three years ago and is now under consideration by parliament’s own standards committee. It ought to happen. Whether it does is another matter. That will depend on whether Boris Johnson fears the heat from the media and the disgust of the public more than he does the wrath of the many Conservative MPs who will hate being deprived of their outside earners because, like him, they “can’t possibly live” on an MP’s salary.

  • Charles said:

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    She’s dead, isn’t she. Fake photo of her driving, sudden cancellations. London Bridge is down, but they are handling the presentation...
    They reckon The Queen's funeral and mourning period will be a super spreader event so they'll announce it during the summer.

    Or she hates our armed forces by shamefully disrespecting them like this.
    Regardless of your views on the monarchy this is someone’s mother and grandmother you are talking about.

    People should remember that when they slag off Meghan Markle.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    How do you sprain your back while resting on doctor's orders?
    I did mine three weeks ago sprawled in my chair...
    I did a Derek Pringle a few years ago, hurt my back writing a letter.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 14,946
    Charles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCL: Jacob Rees-Mogg becomes first Cabinet minister dragged into outside interests row - after not declaring £6m in cheap loans from his Cayman Islands-linked company

    In tomorrow's Mail on Sunday https://twitter.com/AVMikhailova/status/1459650263795605515/photo/1

    They are really scrapping the barrel

    Man takes loan from company he owns.

    Again it’s a really technical breach so I can’t see it deserves anything but a reprimand from the standards commissioner at most.

    But the optics, like Cox, look horrible
    Get a grip Charles! For some people six million quid is a lot of money particularly for home decoration. And how many Hartlipudlians can call on a little sideline in the Caymen Islands to provide the cash?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 90,516

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    She’s dead, isn’t she. Fake photo of her driving, sudden cancellations. London Bridge is down, but they are handling the presentation...
    They reckon The Queen's funeral and mourning period will be a super spreader event so they'll announce it during the summer.

    Or she hates our armed forces by shamefully disrespecting them like this.
    What a horrible post, though one would expect little better from a non Tory republican LD like you.

    Her Majesty has made almost every other Remembrance Parade in her 95 years, I am sure the veterans will understand if she watches on TV today if she has her back problem and given her age. Her son and grandson will be there in person
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,137
    Charles said:

    eek said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCL: Jacob Rees-Mogg becomes first Cabinet minister dragged into outside interests row - after not declaring £6m in cheap loans from his Cayman Islands-linked company

    In tomorrow's Mail on Sunday https://twitter.com/AVMikhailova/status/1459650263795605515/photo/1

    They are really scrapping the barrel

    Man takes loan from company he owns.

    Again it’s a really technical breach so I can’t see it deserves anything but a reprimand from the standards commissioner at most.

    But the optics, like Cox, look horrible
    Yes but it allows the Cayman Islands to be mentioned which may quicklly move on to why is someone in the UK using a location famous for tax avoidance.
    It sounds like it is just a property holding company though so I’d assume that JRM is paying the enveloped dwelling tax
    I wonder whether the transfer of assets abroad anti-avoidance tax provisions are applicable to this structure?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 4,581
    Charles said:

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    She’s dead, isn’t she. Fake photo of her driving, sudden cancellations. London Bridge is down, but they are handling the presentation...
    They reckon The Queen's funeral and mourning period will be a super spreader event so they'll announce it during the summer.

    Or she hates our armed forces by shamefully disrespecting them like this.
    Regardless of your views on the monarchy this is someone’s mother and grandmother you are talking about.

    I seriously doubt any of her close relatives are spending Sunday morning on PB...
  • eekeek Posts: 15,853
    Charles said:

    eek said:

    Charles said:

    Scott_xP said:

    EXCL: Jacob Rees-Mogg becomes first Cabinet minister dragged into outside interests row - after not declaring £6m in cheap loans from his Cayman Islands-linked company

    In tomorrow's Mail on Sunday https://twitter.com/AVMikhailova/status/1459650263795605515/photo/1

    They are really scrapping the barrel

    Man takes loan from company he owns.

    Again it’s a really technical breach so I can’t see it deserves anything but a reprimand from the standards commissioner at most.

    But the optics, like Cox, look horrible
    Yes but it allows the Cayman Islands to be mentioned which may quicklly move on to why is someone in the UK using a location famous for tax avoidance.
    It sounds like it is just a property holding company though so I’d assume that JRM is paying the enveloped dwelling tax
    "The loan was used to buy and refurbish his Westminster home" doesn't sound like a property holding company to me.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 905
    IshmaelZ said:

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    How do you sprain your back while resting on doctor's orders?
    Through being very, very old. We all get mystery aches and pains that appear out of nowhere from middle age; she's not far off 100.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 10,829
    edited November 14

    I am secondy.

    And about to go for a run. ;)

    4:08 in the £$%^&** morning?

    Time to run for the sanatorium.... :smile:
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 4,581

    IshmaelZ said:

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    How do you sprain your back while resting on doctor's orders?
    I did mine three weeks ago sprawled in my chair...
    I did a Derek Pringle a few years ago, hurt my back writing a letter.
    I genuinely have no idea how I did it. I was innocently working away at the PC and tweaked the lower back. Clearly an older weakness, but still.
  • Talking about corrupt behaviour, how do we vote out the Prince of Wales?

    Prince Charles’s closest adviser told a Saudi donor he would be very happy to help him secure an OBE while soliciting a £10 million donation from him, according to leaked letters that place fresh pressure on Scotland Yard to investigate the “cash-for-honours” scandal.

    Michael Fawcett also wrote that the prince would back Mahfouz bin Mahfouz’s application for British citizenship.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/police-told-to-act-as-new-letters-confirm-charles-aide-michael-fawcett-sought-obe-for-saudi-donor-p86mttwlm
  • TazTaz Posts: 2,476

    IshmaelZ said:

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    How do you sprain your back while resting on doctor's orders?
    I did mine three weeks ago sprawled in my chair...
    I did a Derek Pringle a few years ago, hurt my back writing a letter.
    I remember a former Liverpool keeper did it ironing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 97,925
    edited November 14

    IshmaelZ said:

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    How do you sprain your back while resting on doctor's orders?
    I did mine three weeks ago sprawled in my chair...
    I did a Derek Pringle a few years ago, hurt my back writing a letter.
    I genuinely have no idea how I did it. I was innocently working away at the PC and tweaked the lower back. Clearly an older weakness, but still.
    It's a sign of old age, having back complaints.

    According to my friends, you know you're getting old when you watch porn and your first thought is 'Oooh that looks like a comfortable bed, I wonder where they got it from?'
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 9,813
    pigeon said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    How do you sprain your back while resting on doctor's orders?
    Through being very, very old. We all get mystery aches and pains that appear out of nowhere from middle age; she's not far off 100.
    I am very, very old, but my back ailments tend to be correlated with falling over or off things, lifting stuff, etc, not resting
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 64,512
    edited November 14

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    That's strange, it was the lead story at 8am this morning on the BBC News site that she would be attending the Remembrance Service.
  • IshmaelZ said:

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    How do you sprain your back while resting on doctor's orders?
    I did mine three weeks ago sprawled in my chair...
    I did a Derek Pringle a few years ago, hurt my back writing a letter.
    I genuinely have no idea how I did it. I was innocently working away at the PC and tweaked the lower back. Clearly an older weakness, but still.
    It's a sign of old age, having back complaints.

    According to my friends, you know you're getting old when you watch porn and your first thought is 'Oooh that looks like a comfortable bed, I wonder where they got it from?'
    I thought the first sign of getting old is when you go out and see someone and your first thought is 'she must be cold'.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 9,813

    Charles said:

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    She’s dead, isn’t she. Fake photo of her driving, sudden cancellations. London Bridge is down, but they are handling the presentation...
    They reckon The Queen's funeral and mourning period will be a super spreader event so they'll announce it during the summer.

    Or she hates our armed forces by shamefully disrespecting them like this.
    Regardless of your views on the monarchy this is someone’s mother and grandmother you are talking about.

    People should remember that when they slag off Meghan Markle.
    Does she have grandchildren? Quick work.
  • HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    That's strange, it was the lead story at 8am this morning on the BBC News site that she would be attending the Remembrance Service.
    David Herdson said a few weeks ago that if she didn't attend this then this would be a red flag that something major is up.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 46,320
    edited November 14
    While I have little time for the royals I do respect HMQ enormously, and maybe having been married for nearly 60 years I can understand just how much she must be missing Philip

    Indeed, with all the troubles in her family and at 95, her resolve to continue doing her duty maybe now takes second place in her priorities

    It will be an event of enormous magnitude when she passes and will be like nothing we have witnessed in our lifetime

    I expect lots of box sets and books will be in demand
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 68,504

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    That's strange, it was the lead story at 8am this morning on the BBC News site that she would be attending the Remembrance Service.
    David Herdson said a few weeks ago that if she didn't attend this then this would be a red flag that something major is up.
    You're such a cynic :o
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 905
    HYUFD said:

    As long as Boris remains PM he will not grant an indyref2. There are no benefits to him in terms of the risk it poses to the Union, while refusing it means he can continue to hold up the prospect of a PM Starmer propped up by the SNP which on current polls is a real prospect at the next general election. Sturgeon too has no desire to press the issue too hard with most polls still putting No ahead.

    However, if there is a hung parliament in 2023/4 and the SNP do have the balance of power then inevitably they will have to push for an indyref2 and Starmer would have to give it to them to be able to get into No 10 and get any legislation through Parliament

    I somehow doubt it. A Labour minority has everything to gain and nothing to lose from yielding as little as possible to Scottish Nationalism, and thus exposing it as ineffectual. Besides, the English and Welsh still return Labour MPs in large numbers, whereas the Scots don't. Why piss off the former by showering the latter with concessions? It gets Starmer nowhere.

    Let the SNP try Parliamentary wrecking tactics if they want. They can only hurt Labour by helping the Evil Tories. Their secessionist and (allegedly) centre-left tendencies are in fundamental opposition: an actual wet consensus social democrat party would be no more in favour of breaking the British Union than the European one. A proper right-wing nationalist party wouldn't have these problems, of course, but a proper right-wing nationalist party won't win elections in Scotland.

    Starmer isn't stupid. If he gets the opportunity then he'll invite the SNP to wreck itself trying to square the circle of its own contradictions.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 4,742

    IshmaelZ said:

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    How do you sprain your back while resting on doctor's orders?
    I did mine three weeks ago sprawled in my chair...
    I did a Derek Pringle a few years ago, hurt my back writing a letter.
    I genuinely have no idea how I did it. I was innocently working away at the PC and tweaked the lower back. Clearly an older weakness, but still.
    Well if we're sharing medical histories, my probable COVID has progressed to overnight fever. After a slow start this morning I'm actually feeling OK, mostly just sore throat and a bit of nasal congestion, slightly headachy so have taken ibuprofen. Working on the assumption that fever is adaptive so not taking paracetamol and tried to keep myself as warm as possible last night. To be honest I have had many worse colds, but the symptoms started less than 48 hours ago so it might have some more to run. Now to cook a full English...
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 9,813

    IshmaelZ said:

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    How do you sprain your back while resting on doctor's orders?
    It is a mystery.

    I wonder if we will have a Bertrand Dawson de nos jours?
    It's an opportunity for somebody, not all murderers are rewarded with a viscountcy
  • HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    That's strange, it was the lead story at 8am this morning on the BBC News site that she would be attending the Remembrance Service.
    David Herdson said a few weeks ago that if she didn't attend this then this would be a red flag that something major is up.
    I am sure he is correct and it is not really a surprise to be honest
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 25,236

    Racist Essex people.

    Cricket’s racism scandal deepens today as a player claims he was nicknamed Bomber by team-mates the day after the 9/11 attacks.

    Muslim Zoheb Sharif alleges he was also called “curry muncher” while playing for Essex.

    His allegations emerge following racism revelations by ex-Yorkshire player Azeem Rafiq that led to the club losing sponsors and the right to host Tests.


    On Friday Essex chair John Faragher resigned after an allegation he used racist language at a board meeting in 2017, which he strongly denies.

    Zoheb, 38, said he was speaking out because he could see “many parallels” between the Rafiq case at Yorkshire and what he had been through. He said: “Azim has shone a light on what’s been going on.


    https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/ex-cricket-player-says-i-25452875

    'Curry muncher' has to be at lower end of the racial abuse scale, surely. Would it be wrong to call a person from Yorkshire a 'pudding eater'? And it's made clear on an Essex followers board what the chair is alleged to have said and while it's not a phrase I've heard this century In wouldn't be at all surprised if many here have heard it, and possibly used it, in the past.
  • Pulpstar said:

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    That's strange, it was the lead story at 8am this morning on the BBC News site that she would be attending the Remembrance Service.
    David Herdson said a few weeks ago that if she didn't attend this then this would be a red flag that something major is up.
    You're such a cynic :o
    I knew something was up with Prince Philip when this happened in February.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56141128
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 4,581

    IshmaelZ said:

    HM The Queen will not attend the Remembrance Service today because of a 'back problem'.

    How do you sprain your back while resting on doctor's orders?
    I did mine three weeks ago sprawled in my chair...
    I did a Derek Pringle a few years ago, hurt my back writing a letter.
    I genuinely have no idea how I did it. I was innocently working away at the PC and tweaked the lower back. Clearly an older weakness, but still.
    Well if we're sharing medical histories, my probable COVID has progressed to overnight fever. After a slow start this morning I'm actually feeling OK, mostly just sore throat and a bit of nasal congestion, slightly headachy so have taken ibuprofen. Working on the assumption that fever is adaptive so not taking paracetamol and tried to keep myself as warm as possible last night. To be honest I have had many worse colds, but the symptoms started less than 48 hours ago so it might have some more to run. Now to cook a full English...
    If you are still up for the full English, that’s a good sign! If I’m still interested in food, I’m happy that I’m not that ill... Get well soon.
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