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  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,900

    Grant Shapps should be toast.

    Minister for private jets ‘lobbying against his own government’

    The aeroplane-owning transport secretary is spending public money on lobbyists opposing the government’s own plans to build on private runways, including one he has personally used


    In the final days of the parliamentary recess in September, Grant Shapps made an unorthodox journey for a cabinet minister. The transport secretary flew solo in his personal plane from a farm near his Hertfordshire home to Sywell, an aerodrome in Northamptonshire.

    Shapps, 53, was there for the rally of the Light Aircraft Association: an annual jamboree for aviation enthusiasts from across Europe. Having obtained a licence in his twenties, he remains a flying fanatic and the proud owner of a £100,000 Piper Saratoga.

    Shortly after arriving, he went to chat with the editor of his favourite magazine, Flyer, which represents the interests of amateur pilots, including campaigning to block development on Britain’s private airfields.

    Shapps told him: “Because I was reading your last month’s edition, I had sent a message to my office at DfT and asked them to invite you in so you can challenge on some of these things ... to see what else we should be doing.” The minister joked: “We’ll even have coffee!”

    Perhaps it is not a surprise he has brought his boyish enthusiasm for flying into government. It may even appear an advantage, giving him knowledge of a niche and technical area within his remit.

    However, it has had far-reaching effects in Whitehall, secretly pitting him against the prime minister and frustrating efforts to build more homes and tackle climate change.

    His department is quietly spending public money funding lobbying against the government’s own housing plans where development would take place on private runways — including some he has personally used.

    As a result, Homes England, the housing agency overseen by Michael Gove, has already withdrawn plans for a new town with thousands of homes in one of the most housing-stressed areas in the country.

    The lobbyists are also battling against plans to build a battery gigafactory on Coventry airport. Boris Johnson has praised the development and it is supposed to deliver thousands of jobs while helping Britain to achieve its net-zero ambitions. According to flight traffic data, Shapps recently flew his plane on to the airfield.

    He has set up a scheme that lets private pilots claim public money for new equipment, and allegedly lobbied against a looming ban on a kind of toxic fuel used by his aeroplane.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/minister-for-private-jets-lobbying-against-his-own-government-l6cmgtkfg

    Are you confusing him with Michael Green?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549

    Andy_JS said:

    I think I read somewhere that in America the word sleaze usually only refers to sexual misconduct whereas over here it also means dodgy financial dealings.

    Have you watched Aliens (1986)?

    "These people are *dead*, Burke! Don't you have any idea what you have done here? Well, I'm gonna make sure they nail you right to the wall for this! You're not gonna sleaze your way out of this one! Right to the wall!"
    No I haven't. It's on my bucket list.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,399

    Grant Shapps should be toast.

    Minister for private jets ‘lobbying against his own government’

    The aeroplane-owning transport secretary is spending public money on lobbyists opposing the government’s own plans to build on private runways, including one he has personally used


    In the final days of the parliamentary recess in September, Grant Shapps made an unorthodox journey for a cabinet minister. The transport secretary flew solo in his personal plane from a farm near his Hertfordshire home to Sywell, an aerodrome in Northamptonshire.

    Shapps, 53, was there for the rally of the Light Aircraft Association: an annual jamboree for aviation enthusiasts from across Europe. Having obtained a licence in his twenties, he remains a flying fanatic and the proud owner of a £100,000 Piper Saratoga.

    Shortly after arriving, he went to chat with the editor of his favourite magazine, Flyer, which represents the interests of amateur pilots, including campaigning to block development on Britain’s private airfields.

    Shapps told him: “Because I was reading your last month’s edition, I had sent a message to my office at DfT and asked them to invite you in so you can challenge on some of these things ... to see what else we should be doing.” The minister joked: “We’ll even have coffee!”

    Perhaps it is not a surprise he has brought his boyish enthusiasm for flying into government. It may even appear an advantage, giving him knowledge of a niche and technical area within his remit.

    However, it has had far-reaching effects in Whitehall, secretly pitting him against the prime minister and frustrating efforts to build more homes and tackle climate change.

    His department is quietly spending public money funding lobbying against the government’s own housing plans where development would take place on private runways — including some he has personally used.

    As a result, Homes England, the housing agency overseen by Michael Gove, has already withdrawn plans for a new town with thousands of homes in one of the most housing-stressed areas in the country.

    The lobbyists are also battling against plans to build a battery gigafactory on Coventry airport. Boris Johnson has praised the development and it is supposed to deliver thousands of jobs while helping Britain to achieve its net-zero ambitions. According to flight traffic data, Shapps recently flew his plane on to the airfield.

    He has set up a scheme that lets private pilots claim public money for new equipment, and allegedly lobbied against a looming ban on a kind of toxic fuel used by his aeroplane.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/minister-for-private-jets-lobbying-against-his-own-government-l6cmgtkfg

    Nothing says connection with the Red Wall than owning a plane.
    Wonder what name is on his licence?
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 4,839

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Not following internal Irish poltiics. Is there some obvious reason for the Sinn Fein surge?

    What were outsiders are now the main opposition.

    We may not be far from SF FM in Stormont and in Dublin.
    Much as you long for the dissolution of the UK, a Sinner government in Dublin will polarise opinion in Belfast against it
    The Unionists would need to quit squabbling with each other and get behind an option though, or else Sinn Fein could benefit like the SNP in Scotland.
    Superficially Northern Ireland looks like the next Scotland, but in practice the political system there means that they're fundamentally different cases.

    If the Scottish Parliament laboured under the same restrictions of cross-community consensus and mandatory coalition as the Northern Ireland Assembly does, then you'd still have Nicola Sturgeon as First Minister, but Douglas Ross would be her nominal deputy and practical equal - and the interminable argument over independence would, in all probability, be as low down the agenda in Edinburgh as a border poll presently is in Belfast.

    It doesn't, of course, because Scotland doesn't suffer from the same legacies of partition and internecine violence, and its politics are therefore less complex and less bitterly divided at a community level. Sinn Fein can't build the same position of dominance as the SNP because a lot of the more pragmatic, soft nationalist and especially non-aligned, voters won't touch it with a ten-foot bargepole, and look to the SDLP, UUP or Alliance instead. It quite simply has a lower natural ceiling of support.
  • Farooq said:

    Grant Shapps should be toast.

    Minister for private jets ‘lobbying against his own government’

    The aeroplane-owning transport secretary is spending public money on lobbyists opposing the government’s own plans to build on private runways, including one he has personally used


    In the final days of the parliamentary recess in September, Grant Shapps made an unorthodox journey for a cabinet minister. The transport secretary flew solo in his personal plane from a farm near his Hertfordshire home to Sywell, an aerodrome in Northamptonshire.

    Shapps, 53, was there for the rally of the Light Aircraft Association: an annual jamboree for aviation enthusiasts from across Europe. Having obtained a licence in his twenties, he remains a flying fanatic and the proud owner of a £100,000 Piper Saratoga.

    Shortly after arriving, he went to chat with the editor of his favourite magazine, Flyer, which represents the interests of amateur pilots, including campaigning to block development on Britain’s private airfields.

    Shapps told him: “Because I was reading your last month’s edition, I had sent a message to my office at DfT and asked them to invite you in so you can challenge on some of these things ... to see what else we should be doing.” The minister joked: “We’ll even have coffee!”

    Perhaps it is not a surprise he has brought his boyish enthusiasm for flying into government. It may even appear an advantage, giving him knowledge of a niche and technical area within his remit.

    However, it has had far-reaching effects in Whitehall, secretly pitting him against the prime minister and frustrating efforts to build more homes and tackle climate change.

    His department is quietly spending public money funding lobbying against the government’s own housing plans where development would take place on private runways — including some he has personally used.

    As a result, Homes England, the housing agency overseen by Michael Gove, has already withdrawn plans for a new town with thousands of homes in one of the most housing-stressed areas in the country.

    The lobbyists are also battling against plans to build a battery gigafactory on Coventry airport. Boris Johnson has praised the development and it is supposed to deliver thousands of jobs while helping Britain to achieve its net-zero ambitions. According to flight traffic data, Shapps recently flew his plane on to the airfield.

    He has set up a scheme that lets private pilots claim public money for new equipment, and allegedly lobbied against a looming ban on a kind of toxic fuel used by his aeroplane.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/minister-for-private-jets-lobbying-against-his-own-government-l6cmgtkfg

    This looks like a test for the conventions of our system. Collective cabinet responsibility is in question here and under any other PM he'd be asked for his resignation pretty sharpish.
    Boris typically tends to ride roughshod over convention, but at the same time he seems to put personally loyalty to him as being of central importance. So what's going to happen here?

    I have a sneaky feeling Boris will sack him over this.
    Greater love hath no man, than to give up his friend for his life
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,900

    Johnson statement at the conclusion of COP26:

    https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1459650425918050305?s=20

    Just a shame no one's listening. If they're watching at all they won't believe a word he says.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,274
    So now COP26 is over are we actually going to get a few months peace and quiet (especially from ER and IB) ?
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,652
    pigeon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    Not following internal Irish poltiics. Is there some obvious reason for the Sinn Fein surge?

    What were outsiders are now the main opposition.

    We may not be far from SF FM in Stormont and in Dublin.
    Much as you long for the dissolution of the UK, a Sinner government in Dublin will polarise opinion in Belfast against it
    The Unionists would need to quit squabbling with each other and get behind an option though, or else Sinn Fein could benefit like the SNP in Scotland.
    Superficially Northern Ireland looks like the next Scotland, but in practice the political system there means that they're fundamentally different cases.

    If the Scottish Parliament laboured under the same restrictions of cross-community consensus and mandatory coalition as the Northern Ireland Assembly does, then you'd still have Nicola Sturgeon as First Minister, but Douglas Ross would be her nominal deputy and practical equal - and the interminable argument over independence would, in all probability, be as low down the agenda in Edinburgh as a border poll presently is in Belfast.

    It doesn't, of course, because Scotland doesn't suffer from the same legacies of partition and internecine violence, and its politics are therefore less complex and less bitterly divided at a community level. Sinn Fein can't build the same position of dominance as the SNP because a lot of the more pragmatic, soft nationalist and especially non-aligned, voters won't touch it with a ten-foot bargepole, and look to the SDLP, UUP or Alliance instead. It quite simply has a lower natural ceiling of support.
    The main dilemma for SF is that only about one-third of people in NI would like a United Ireland tomorrow, and by and large they are equivalent to the SF voters, excluding a few places like Derry where they vote in all directions. So in practice this means any actual majority for a UI would look like today but with Irish-nationalist positions being taken by SDLP and Alliance.

    Now in the south it is a different story, it looks like next to nobody cares about NI after 18 months of virus, but SF are making the running against carbon taxes and property taxes. Plus there has been basically the same government for over 10 years, and the other opposition parties are tiny / Trots / for the earnestly woke.
  • What a surprise. COP26 turned out to be a complete failure.

    No criticism of Alok Sharma who tried his best. He is a good man, maybe a future PM.

    Anyway I am going to 'phase down' my postings for tonight GN all.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,071
    I really have no idea how to judge whether COP26 was a success or a failure. Agreements, particularly to actually do something, is the presumed measure, but half the people observing won't believe what is in any agreement anyway, and in fairness many international agreements end up that way, so lack of agreement, or lack of firm details, may well not mean as much as it appears.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,274
    Farooq said:

    GIN1138 said:

    So now COP26 is over are we actually going to get a few months peace and quiet (especially from ER and IB) ?

    Probably not, and why should they?
    Because blocking the roads and deliberately stopping grannies from getting to hospital when they are having a Stroke is at best negligent and at worst manslaughter?
  • COP26 or Talking Shop26?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,136
    edited November 2021
    On a serious CoP26 point, is there a single campaign or lobby group that hasn't written their communique exactly as would have been predicted beforehand - no matter what the outcome would have been?

    The content is driven by whatever is necessary for their future positioning / activities.
  • Leon said:

    Not following internal Irish poltiics. Is there some obvious reason for the Sinn Fein surge?

    All the other parties are crap?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,132
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    China, India etc are never going to move fast enough when they think it’ll be to their disadvantage.

    They have doomed us all

    That's rather dramatic.

    They've moved a lot further than I expected they would, or they'd given any inclination of ever doing so in the past.

    Based on the calculations that the pledges so far will limit temperature rises to 2.4C then that's really a rise of 1.2C only (since 1.2 has already happened).

    More likely though as technology improves, we'll see adopting of clean technologies even faster than what's been agreed today.
    The China and India changes give coal a future as an energy source. That watering down of phase out to phase down completely undermines everything positive that we could have achieved by getting the world to getting rid of coal. What does phase down even mean?
    Surely if the talks had collapsed then you would not have been ridding the world of coal anyway. With China and India insisting on that your choice was simply a deal that helps in other ways but is not perfect or no deal at all which means not just coal but all the other issues also fall.

    As Kerry said, you should not let perfect be the enemy of good.
    Go down the other route and have the nations who sign up to the no coal deal introduce tariffs on countries that don't sign up.
    Do we then impose tariffs on countries that do not impose tariffs on countries that use coal?
    Make it part of the agreement.
    It would almost certainly breach various WTO treaty obligations. And lots of countries trade with coal users.
  • re: SF in RoI, note that the Irish left is badly divided, in addition to SF three other left-wing parties/groups have seats in the Dail, along with several independents from the left.

    Talk about sectarianism!
  • Farooq said:

    Grant Shapps should be toast.

    Minister for private jets ‘lobbying against his own government’

    The aeroplane-owning transport secretary is spending public money on lobbyists opposing the government’s own plans to build on private runways, including one he has personally used


    In the final days of the parliamentary recess in September, Grant Shapps made an unorthodox journey for a cabinet minister. The transport secretary flew solo in his personal plane from a farm near his Hertfordshire home to Sywell, an aerodrome in Northamptonshire.

    Shapps, 53, was there for the rally of the Light Aircraft Association: an annual jamboree for aviation enthusiasts from across Europe. Having obtained a licence in his twenties, he remains a flying fanatic and the proud owner of a £100,000 Piper Saratoga.

    Shortly after arriving, he went to chat with the editor of his favourite magazine, Flyer, which represents the interests of amateur pilots, including campaigning to block development on Britain’s private airfields.

    Shapps told him: “Because I was reading your last month’s edition, I had sent a message to my office at DfT and asked them to invite you in so you can challenge on some of these things ... to see what else we should be doing.” The minister joked: “We’ll even have coffee!”

    Perhaps it is not a surprise he has brought his boyish enthusiasm for flying into government. It may even appear an advantage, giving him knowledge of a niche and technical area within his remit.

    However, it has had far-reaching effects in Whitehall, secretly pitting him against the prime minister and frustrating efforts to build more homes and tackle climate change.

    His department is quietly spending public money funding lobbying against the government’s own housing plans where development would take place on private runways — including some he has personally used.

    As a result, Homes England, the housing agency overseen by Michael Gove, has already withdrawn plans for a new town with thousands of homes in one of the most housing-stressed areas in the country.

    The lobbyists are also battling against plans to build a battery gigafactory on Coventry airport. Boris Johnson has praised the development and it is supposed to deliver thousands of jobs while helping Britain to achieve its net-zero ambitions. According to flight traffic data, Shapps recently flew his plane on to the airfield.

    He has set up a scheme that lets private pilots claim public money for new equipment, and allegedly lobbied against a looming ban on a kind of toxic fuel used by his aeroplane.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/minister-for-private-jets-lobbying-against-his-own-government-l6cmgtkfg

    This looks like a test for the conventions of our system. Collective cabinet responsibility is in question here and under any other PM he'd be asked for his resignation pretty sharpish.
    Boris typically tends to ride roughshod over convention, but at the same time he seems to put personally loyalty to him as being of central importance. So what's going to happen here?

    I have a sneaky feeling Boris will sack him over this.
    So he should. Whoever is in the right in terms of the policies, plotting against your own Government's policy in secret when you are a minister has to be a sacking offence. If he feels that strongly about it he should resign and oppose it from the back benches.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,136
    edited November 2021
    dixiedean said:

    Grant Shapps should be toast.

    Minister for private jets ‘lobbying against his own government’

    The aeroplane-owning transport secretary is spending public money on lobbyists opposing the government’s own plans to build on private runways, including one he has personally used


    In the final days of the parliamentary recess in September, Grant Shapps made an unorthodox journey for a cabinet minister. The transport secretary flew solo in his personal plane from a farm near his Hertfordshire home to Sywell, an aerodrome in Northamptonshire.

    Shapps, 53, was there for the rally of the Light Aircraft Association: an annual jamboree for aviation enthusiasts from across Europe. Having obtained a licence in his twenties, he remains a flying fanatic and the proud owner of a £100,000 Piper Saratoga.

    Shortly after arriving, he went to chat with the editor of his favourite magazine, Flyer, which represents the interests of amateur pilots, including campaigning to block development on Britain’s private airfields.

    Shapps told him: “Because I was reading your last month’s edition, I had sent a message to my office at DfT and asked them to invite you in so you can challenge on some of these things ... to see what else we should be doing.” The minister joked: “We’ll even have coffee!”

    Perhaps it is not a surprise he has brought his boyish enthusiasm for flying into government. It may even appear an advantage, giving him knowledge of a niche and technical area within his remit.

    However, it has had far-reaching effects in Whitehall, secretly pitting him against the prime minister and frustrating efforts to build more homes and tackle climate change.

    His department is quietly spending public money funding lobbying against the government’s own housing plans where development would take place on private runways — including some he has personally used.

    As a result, Homes England, the housing agency overseen by Michael Gove, has already withdrawn plans for a new town with thousands of homes in one of the most housing-stressed areas in the country.

    The lobbyists are also battling against plans to build a battery gigafactory on Coventry airport. Boris Johnson has praised the development and it is supposed to deliver thousands of jobs while helping Britain to achieve its net-zero ambitions. According to flight traffic data, Shapps recently flew his plane on to the airfield.

    He has set up a scheme that lets private pilots claim public money for new equipment, and allegedly lobbied against a looming ban on a kind of toxic fuel used by his aeroplane.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/minister-for-private-jets-lobbying-against-his-own-government-l6cmgtkfg

    Nothing says connection with the Red Wall than owning a plane.
    Wonder what name is on his licence?
    What's the substance of this story, if any, and where are the guidelines / rules set?

    Here's the secret interview on Youtube.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngzR0l6MI4U
  • Farooq said:

    Grant Shapps should be toast.

    Minister for private jets ‘lobbying against his own government’

    The aeroplane-owning transport secretary is spending public money on lobbyists opposing the government’s own plans to build on private runways, including one he has personally used


    In the final days of the parliamentary recess in September, Grant Shapps made an unorthodox journey for a cabinet minister. The transport secretary flew solo in his personal plane from a farm near his Hertfordshire home to Sywell, an aerodrome in Northamptonshire.

    Shapps, 53, was there for the rally of the Light Aircraft Association: an annual jamboree for aviation enthusiasts from across Europe. Having obtained a licence in his twenties, he remains a flying fanatic and the proud owner of a £100,000 Piper Saratoga.

    Shortly after arriving, he went to chat with the editor of his favourite magazine, Flyer, which represents the interests of amateur pilots, including campaigning to block development on Britain’s private airfields.

    Shapps told him: “Because I was reading your last month’s edition, I had sent a message to my office at DfT and asked them to invite you in so you can challenge on some of these things ... to see what else we should be doing.” The minister joked: “We’ll even have coffee!”

    Perhaps it is not a surprise he has brought his boyish enthusiasm for flying into government. It may even appear an advantage, giving him knowledge of a niche and technical area within his remit.

    However, it has had far-reaching effects in Whitehall, secretly pitting him against the prime minister and frustrating efforts to build more homes and tackle climate change.

    His department is quietly spending public money funding lobbying against the government’s own housing plans where development would take place on private runways — including some he has personally used.

    As a result, Homes England, the housing agency overseen by Michael Gove, has already withdrawn plans for a new town with thousands of homes in one of the most housing-stressed areas in the country.

    The lobbyists are also battling against plans to build a battery gigafactory on Coventry airport. Boris Johnson has praised the development and it is supposed to deliver thousands of jobs while helping Britain to achieve its net-zero ambitions. According to flight traffic data, Shapps recently flew his plane on to the airfield.

    He has set up a scheme that lets private pilots claim public money for new equipment, and allegedly lobbied against a looming ban on a kind of toxic fuel used by his aeroplane.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/minister-for-private-jets-lobbying-against-his-own-government-l6cmgtkfg

    This looks like a test for the conventions of our system. Collective cabinet responsibility is in question here and under any other PM he'd be asked for his resignation pretty sharpish.
    Boris typically tends to ride roughshod over convention, but at the same time he seems to put personally loyalty to him as being of central importance. So what's going to happen here?

    I have a sneaky feeling Boris will sack him over this.
    So he should. Whoever is in the right in terms of the policies, plotting against your own Government's policy in secret when you are a minister has to be a sacking offence. If he feels that strongly about it he should resign and oppose it from the back benches.
    iirc Grant Shapps was a key member of Team Boris during the leadership election. How much that counts for, we might find out. Possibly after Boris has seen some polling on the matter.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    Nigelb said:
    Ouch.

    Well at least it made thr Sprint Race sort of exciting.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,136
    edited November 2021
    MattW said:

    dixiedean said:

    Grant Shapps should be toast.

    Minister for private jets ‘lobbying against his own government’

    The aeroplane-owning transport secretary is spending public money on lobbyists opposing the government’s own plans to build on private runways, including one he has personally used


    In the final days of the parliamentary recess in September, Grant Shapps made an unorthodox journey for a cabinet minister. The transport secretary flew solo in his personal plane from a farm near his Hertfordshire home to Sywell, an aerodrome in Northamptonshire.

    Shapps, 53, was there for the rally of the Light Aircraft Association: an annual jamboree for aviation enthusiasts from across Europe. Having obtained a licence in his twenties, he remains a flying fanatic and the proud owner of a £100,000 Piper Saratoga.

    Shortly after arriving, he went to chat with the editor of his favourite magazine, Flyer, which represents the interests of amateur pilots, including campaigning to block development on Britain’s private airfields.

    Shapps told him: “Because I was reading your last month’s edition, I had sent a message to my office at DfT and asked them to invite you in so you can challenge on some of these things ... to see what else we should be doing.” The minister joked: “We’ll even have coffee!”

    Perhaps it is not a surprise he has brought his boyish enthusiasm for flying into government. It may even appear an advantage, giving him knowledge of a niche and technical area within his remit.

    However, it has had far-reaching effects in Whitehall, secretly pitting him against the prime minister and frustrating efforts to build more homes and tackle climate change.

    His department is quietly spending public money funding lobbying against the government’s own housing plans where development would take place on private runways — including some he has personally used.

    As a result, Homes England, the housing agency overseen by Michael Gove, has already withdrawn plans for a new town with thousands of homes in one of the most housing-stressed areas in the country.

    The lobbyists are also battling against plans to build a battery gigafactory on Coventry airport. Boris Johnson has praised the development and it is supposed to deliver thousands of jobs while helping Britain to achieve its net-zero ambitions. According to flight traffic data, Shapps recently flew his plane on to the airfield.

    He has set up a scheme that lets private pilots claim public money for new equipment, and allegedly lobbied against a looming ban on a kind of toxic fuel used by his aeroplane.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/minister-for-private-jets-lobbying-against-his-own-government-l6cmgtkfg

    Nothing says connection with the Red Wall than owning a plane.
    Wonder what name is on his licence?
    What's the substance of this story, if any, and where are the guidelines / rules set?

    Here's the secret interview on Youtube.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngzR0l6MI4U
    Presumably "rules" are Ministerial Code, and who are these "lobbyists" - has the Times named them and demonstrated a link?
  • Farooq said:

    Grant Shapps should be toast.

    Minister for private jets ‘lobbying against his own government’

    The aeroplane-owning transport secretary is spending public money on lobbyists opposing the government’s own plans to build on private runways, including one he has personally used


    In the final days of the parliamentary recess in September, Grant Shapps made an unorthodox journey for a cabinet minister. The transport secretary flew solo in his personal plane from a farm near his Hertfordshire home to Sywell, an aerodrome in Northamptonshire.

    Shapps, 53, was there for the rally of the Light Aircraft Association: an annual jamboree for aviation enthusiasts from across Europe. Having obtained a licence in his twenties, he remains a flying fanatic and the proud owner of a £100,000 Piper Saratoga.

    Shortly after arriving, he went to chat with the editor of his favourite magazine, Flyer, which represents the interests of amateur pilots, including campaigning to block development on Britain’s private airfields.

    Shapps told him: “Because I was reading your last month’s edition, I had sent a message to my office at DfT and asked them to invite you in so you can challenge on some of these things ... to see what else we should be doing.” The minister joked: “We’ll even have coffee!”

    Perhaps it is not a surprise he has brought his boyish enthusiasm for flying into government. It may even appear an advantage, giving him knowledge of a niche and technical area within his remit.

    However, it has had far-reaching effects in Whitehall, secretly pitting him against the prime minister and frustrating efforts to build more homes and tackle climate change.

    His department is quietly spending public money funding lobbying against the government’s own housing plans where development would take place on private runways — including some he has personally used.

    As a result, Homes England, the housing agency overseen by Michael Gove, has already withdrawn plans for a new town with thousands of homes in one of the most housing-stressed areas in the country.

    The lobbyists are also battling against plans to build a battery gigafactory on Coventry airport. Boris Johnson has praised the development and it is supposed to deliver thousands of jobs while helping Britain to achieve its net-zero ambitions. According to flight traffic data, Shapps recently flew his plane on to the airfield.

    He has set up a scheme that lets private pilots claim public money for new equipment, and allegedly lobbied against a looming ban on a kind of toxic fuel used by his aeroplane.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/minister-for-private-jets-lobbying-against-his-own-government-l6cmgtkfg

    This looks like a test for the conventions of our system. Collective cabinet responsibility is in question here and under any other PM he'd be asked for his resignation pretty sharpish.
    Boris typically tends to ride roughshod over convention, but at the same time he seems to put personally loyalty to him as being of central importance. So what's going to happen here?

    I have a sneaky feeling Boris will sack him over this.
    So he should. Whoever is in the right in terms of the policies, plotting against your own Government's policy in secret when you are a minister has to be a sacking offence. If he feels that strongly about it he should resign and oppose it from the back benches.
    "plotting against your own Government's policy in secret when you are a minister"

    Is not this a time-honored of the renowned unwritten British Constitution? At least since days of Robert Walpole.

    Some have indeed been sacked. But hardly most.

    Indeed, has often proven a highly effective way of climbing up the greasy (and sleazy) pole.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,136
    IshmaelZ said:

    Scott_xP said:

    However, when we go into more detail, the public are ok with MPs taking paid work as:
    Nurses
    Doctors
    Charity workers
    Farmers
    Authors

    They are against MPs taking paid work as:Lawyers
    Newspaper columnists
    Accountants
    Consultants
    Bankers
    Lobbyists https://twitter.com/OpiniumResearch/status/1459614438118637569/photo/1

    No need to highlight MPs. Nobody with a conscience should want to be on the second list - to which I would add GP surgery receptionists. I would put no win no fee ambulance chasing lawyers and journalists on a special, higher list.
    You think people too thick or ill-educated to represent themselves in court should be denied access to justice?

    I'm with you. Serve them right for being poor.
    Charity Workers as paragons of ethics?

    Sorry, but LOL.

    Oxfam?

    National Trust and their attempts to create bubbles of non-development around their properties? (Speaking as a Life Member of the NT).
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,136
    edited November 2021
    Taz said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    One thing that hasn’t been mentioned as a driver of poor polls for the government is the current high price of petrol.

    There is something of a painful irony that it went down to 99p a litre 18 months ago and nobody was driving anywhere, and now we're free to go where we like it's at record highs.
    Isn’t that just supply and demand?
    Oil price per barrel still around $80 vs double that at its absolute 21st century peak last time petrol cost this much. So there could still be a long way to go!
    We might see a renewed craze from bosses for homeworking if oil and gas prices double from this level.
    Pump prices won't double - the barrel price isn't remotely the whole price. But if crude soars into three figures we could add another 20-30p per litre on...
    Yet you have people in labour saying fuel needs to be taxed more and the recent budget should have seen an increase in duty.
    Since the only times energy efficiency has been taken seriously is when prices for fuel or household energy seem high, it is difficult to object to 'high' prices.

    There is also the question of whether current prices qualify as 'high'.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,549
    "Ben & Jerry's
    @benandjerrys

    The #RittenhouseTrial displays yet again that our “justice” system is racist.

    How would this trial be going if he was a Black 17 yr old that crossed state lines illegally carrying an AR-15 and shot 3 white protesters?

    We need real justice in the legal system. This isn’t it.
    1:06 am · 12 Nov 2021"

    https://twitter.com/benandjerrys/status/1458964448924819460
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,347
    Andy_JS said:

    "Ben & Jerry's
    @benandjerrys

    The #RittenhouseTrial displays yet again that our “justice” system is racist.

    How would this trial be going if he was a Black 17 yr old that crossed state lines illegally carrying an AR-15 and shot 3 white protesters?

    We need real justice in the legal system. This isn’t it.
    1:06 am · 12 Nov 2021"

    https://twitter.com/benandjerrys/status/1458964448924819460

    I'm always struck by the willingness of US commentators to pronounce on the guilt or innocence of people in high profile trials, whilst the trial is still taking place.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,571
    Andy_JS said:

    "Ben & Jerry's
    @benandjerrys

    The #RittenhouseTrial displays yet again that our “justice” system is racist.

    How would this trial be going if he was a Black 17 yr old that crossed state lines illegally carrying an AR-15 and shot 3 white protesters?

    We need real justice in the legal system. This isn’t it.
    1:06 am · 12 Nov 2021"

    https://twitter.com/benandjerrys/status/1458964448924819460

    I've seen claims that Rittenhouse did not cross state lines with the gun; he got someone to buy it for him in Wisconsin. With his first unemployment check, of all things.

    Having said that, the guy should be in jail for a long time.

    https://news.ipswoa.org/2021/10/08/fact-check-did-kyle-rittenhouse-carry-firearm-across-state-lines/

    (Note: I have no idea about the ipswoa website's veracity...)

    But NPR agrees:
    https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/10/14/923643265/kyle-rittenhouse-accused-kenosha-killer-wont-face-gun-charges-in-illinois
  • Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Ben & Jerry's
    @benandjerrys

    The #RittenhouseTrial displays yet again that our “justice” system is racist.

    How would this trial be going if he was a Black 17 yr old that crossed state lines illegally carrying an AR-15 and shot 3 white protesters?

    We need real justice in the legal system. This isn’t it.
    1:06 am · 12 Nov 2021"

    https://twitter.com/benandjerrys/status/1458964448924819460

    I'm always struck by the willingness of US commentators to pronounce on the guilt or innocence of people in high profile trials, whilst the trial is still taking place.
    When they need to they sequester the jury, instead of the British system where they sequester the entire country.
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