Leaving aside the current polls, I strongly suspect that Altrincham and Sale West will go red next election unless the Tories win nationally by at least double digits. Demographically it's exactly the sort of young professional gentrifying suburb which is swinging hard away from the Tories for a decade or so, the flip side to the (more numerous) seats with white working class voters they are gaining.
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
Leaving aside the current polls, I strongly suspect that Altrincham and Sale West will go red next election unless the Tories win nationally by at least double digits. Demographically it's exactly the sort of young professional gentrifying suburb which is swinging hard away from the Tories for a decade or so, the flip side to the (more numerous) seats with white working class voters they are gaining.
This is a seat I'm planning on doing a thread on.
Is about the Green dynamic, is it places like this where the Green surge damages Labour badly.
He has one obvious chance for a big comeback. If Britain pushes through winter with no more lockdowns, no restrictions and ever-declining Covid (as seems possible, at least) while many of our European friends are forced into more lockdowns and suffer worsening Covid, then Boris will be seen as a great liberator. I expect many voters will forgive or forget the sleaze, and return to the True Faith
Lots could go wrong, however, of course
There's always a straw to cling to for those of the Conservative faith, eh, Martin?
I suppose there's always the "look much better the UK is doing than (fill in the blank)". After all, that's where we are with the debate, some claim the pandemic ended in July, others say it's still a crisis yet for some it's a macabre national contest to see who is doing "better" or "worse".
Am I the only one who remembers us trying all sorts of things last autumn/winter to try to find something short of national lockdown that would prevent hospitals being overwhelmed?
Rule of Six, masking, Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, local lockdowns, stuff like that? It’s not like we only ever tried lockdowns. We have plenty of data on what happened with the alternative options.
"Hospitals being overwhelmed" is lazy shorthand. According to the Guardian they have been overwhelmed or close to it every winter for the past 20 years.
I have said that we saw the pictures of Northern Italy and understandably panicked. And from that moment on everything was done in panic - from Nightingales to care homes. We didn't stop to think through the consequences or do any scenario analysis including all risk factors.
So, in your view, covid didn’t do anything out of the usual for the NHS? Yeah, I think we’re done here. There’s no evidence you’re ever going to accept.
Scientific papers? Pshaw, if they don’t say what you want, they’re irrelevant.
The level of acute beds taken up and the ICNARC reports on ICU loading? Nothing out of the ordinary.
Any evidence on comparability of Nordic countries on multiple measures and their differences from the UK? Nope, not listening.
Why should anyone waste their time showing you any evidence on it? You’ve made your mind up, and facts aren’t going to sway that.
Are those graphs on their way? Control for any factor you think relevant. Single households, etc. Looking forward to it.
Your comfort blanket of lockdown, lockdown sooner, lockdown longer has been a persistent feature of Covid on PB. Of course you hate lockdown but it is your go-to response when one country has shown that it can be handled without for example, taking children out of school and other measures.
But you hate that because you are so invested in lockdown. With people like you I suspect we will get another lockdown or two before the pandemic is over. Because they work. And the NHS is swamped.
Lol. Yeah, sure. I never spent ages arguing last year that we needed to find the "low hanging fruit" and see which NPIs worked best in order to avoid lockdowns. Never said that lockdowns were a crude instrument. Never had issues with a severely autistic son getting frazzled.
Got to laugh, really.
Still no graphs.
Sorry to hear about your son.
If you want more graphs, why not go and get them yourself? The site from where they’re sourced is on all of them. I haven’t got the time or inclination to run around getting them for you. After all, I’ve concluded that you’re not amenable to evidence, so why would I waste my time (and yours) on it any further?
And thank you for your sympathy on my lad. It’s been a heck of a time, but he’s born up really well, all things considered.
Glad to hear it.
I just posted the excess death stats. Sweden was 109 (excess deaths per 100,000) while most of non-Scandi Europe was above and Sweden's nearest neighbours well below.
Sweden on excess deaths = top of the pack EU-wide and bottom of the pack Scandi-wide.
Doesn't excess deaths control for all those factors that have been pointed out contribute to Sweden's Covid performance.
No, excess deaths does not control for factors like single occupancy and lack of intergenerational family units.
To demonstrate this think of a extremely deadly and highly transmissible virus that only killed native French speakers.
France introduces a draconian lockdown and still suffers high level of deaths, massive excess mortality.
Sweden introduces no restrictions and barely anyone dies. Barely a ripple of excess mortality.
LOL. So everyone says that the only meaningful metric is excess deaths but no. Not for Sweden.
All im saying is the excess deaths as a measure does not have the properties you claim it does.
Excess deaths is a great measure but it doesn't do magic.
You do get why my hypothetical example shows that. If it helps, imagine @TheScreamingEagles concocted the virus.
Good Lord. The futility of feeding mid term polls into Electoral Calculus has been given an air of respectability. There’s no hope now
Yes, add in a bit of tactical voting to the eye of bat and tail of newt and give it all a stir!
No doubt though that Johnson has lost his sheen. Can he regain it? Or is his act as dated as Jim Davidson?
He has one obvious chance for a big comeback. If Britain pushes through winter with no more lockdowns, no restrictions and ever-declining Covid (as seems possible, at least) while many of our European friends are forced into more lockdowns and suffer worsening Covid, then Boris will be seen as a great liberator. I expect many voters will forgive or forget the sleaze, and return to the True Faith
Lots could go wrong, however, of course
I think our European friends will certainly suffer worsening Covid over the winter.
The question is whether it is like (say) California, where there are vaxports and mask mandates, but cases and deaths are largely uncorrelated, and life continues pretty much as normal otherwise.
Or, whether it results in either spiking deaths and/or actual lockdowns. (As in, businesses shut and people banned from social activities.)
My money is on the first of these, but we shall see.
It's all relative. If the next couple of months in the EU as a whole look like the last couple of months in the US, it will be difficult to treat it as a return to normal.
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Jones, who was speaking after England defeated Tonga in the Autumn Nations Series on Saturday, used Raducanu as a cautionary example when discussing the need for Marcus Smith, the talented young England rugby player, to remain focused: “The big thing for good young players is distractions … there’s a reason why the young girl who won the US Open hasn’t done so well afterwards,” said Jones
The comments prompted criticism on social media, the BBC sports presenter Gabby Logan called Jones’s comments “unbelievably unfair and not even remotely comparable … imagine an 18-year-old rugby player winning a World Cup having never played a club game.” Logan’s response was endorsed by the tennis coach Judy Murray.
Jones is bang on the money.
Whether he is or not I don't get the outrage, he's entitled to his opinion.
Just to make sure I am getting this right:
We have a right to an opinion that when an 18 year old tennis player has won 2 matches and lost 2 matches we can say she is not doing well and attribute that to a specific cause.
However we do not have the right to a critical opinion when an experienced sports manager fundamentally misunderstands the career path of a young player in a different sport?
Who is the real snowflake here? If Jones can dish it out, he should be quite happy to receive incoming, especially when he is in the wrong as he was today.
Good Lord. The futility of feeding mid term polls into Electoral Calculus has been given an air of respectability. There’s no hope now
Yes, add in a bit of tactical voting to the eye of bat and tail of newt and give it all a stir!
No doubt though that Johnson has lost his sheen. Can he regain it? Or is his act as dated as Jim Davidson?
He has one obvious chance for a big comeback. If Britain pushes through winter with no more lockdowns, no restrictions and ever-declining Covid (as seems possible, at least) while many of our European friends are forced into more lockdowns and suffer worsening Covid, then Boris will be seen as a great liberator. I expect many voters will forgive or forget the sleaze, and return to the True Faith
Lots could go wrong, however, of course
I think our European friends will certainly suffer worsening Covid over the winter.
The question is whether it is like (say) California, where there are vaxports and mask mandates, but cases and deaths are largely uncorrelated, and life continues pretty much as normal otherwise.
Or, whether it results in either spiking deaths and/or actual lockdowns. (As in, businesses shut and people banned from social activities.)
My money is on the first of these, but we shall see.
My money would also be on the first. There is immense resistance to new lockdowns
However, a couple of countries could succumb. Belgium, maybe - they are already close to lockdown 7 (or whatever it is). Holland. Perhaps one of the Baltics or Hungary/Poland
Am I the only one who remembers us trying all sorts of things last autumn/winter to try to find something short of national lockdown that would prevent hospitals being overwhelmed?
Rule of Six, masking, Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, local lockdowns, stuff like that? It’s not like we only ever tried lockdowns. We have plenty of data on what happened with the alternative options.
"Hospitals being overwhelmed" is lazy shorthand. According to the Guardian they have been overwhelmed or close to it every winter for the past 20 years.
I have said that we saw the pictures of Northern Italy and understandably panicked. And from that moment on everything was done in panic - from Nightingales to care homes. We didn't stop to think through the consequences or do any scenario analysis including all risk factors.
So, in your view, covid didn’t do anything out of the usual for the NHS? Yeah, I think we’re done here. There’s no evidence you’re ever going to accept.
Scientific papers? Pshaw, if they don’t say what you want, they’re irrelevant.
The level of acute beds taken up and the ICNARC reports on ICU loading? Nothing out of the ordinary.
Any evidence on comparability of Nordic countries on multiple measures and their differences from the UK? Nope, not listening.
Why should anyone waste their time showing you any evidence on it? You’ve made your mind up, and facts aren’t going to sway that.
Are those graphs on their way? Control for any factor you think relevant. Single households, etc. Looking forward to it.
Your comfort blanket of lockdown, lockdown sooner, lockdown longer has been a persistent feature of Covid on PB. Of course you hate lockdown but it is your go-to response when one country has shown that it can be handled without for example, taking children out of school and other measures.
But you hate that because you are so invested in lockdown. With people like you I suspect we will get another lockdown or two before the pandemic is over. Because they work. And the NHS is swamped.
Lol. Yeah, sure. I never spent ages arguing last year that we needed to find the "low hanging fruit" and see which NPIs worked best in order to avoid lockdowns. Never said that lockdowns were a crude instrument. Never had issues with a severely autistic son getting frazzled.
Got to laugh, really.
Still no graphs.
Sorry to hear about your son.
If you want more graphs, why not go and get them yourself? The site from where they’re sourced is on all of them. I haven’t got the time or inclination to run around getting them for you. After all, I’ve concluded that you’re not amenable to evidence, so why would I waste my time (and yours) on it any further?
And thank you for your sympathy on my lad. It’s been a heck of a time, but he’s born up really well, all things considered.
Glad to hear it.
I just posted the excess death stats. Sweden was 109 (excess deaths per 100,000) while most of non-Scandi Europe was above and Sweden's nearest neighbours well below.
Sweden on excess deaths = top of the pack EU-wide and bottom of the pack Scandi-wide.
Doesn't excess deaths control for all those factors that have been pointed out contribute to Sweden's Covid performance.
No, excess deaths does not control for factors like single occupancy and lack of intergenerational family units.
To demonstrate this think of a extremely deadly and highly transmissible virus that only killed native French speakers.
France introduces a draconian lockdown and still suffers high level of deaths, massive excess mortality.
Sweden introduces no restrictions and barely anyone dies. Barely a ripple of excess mortality.
LOL. So everyone says that the only meaningful metric is excess deaths but no. Not for Sweden.
All im saying is the excess deaths as a measure does not have the properties you claim it does.
Excess deaths is a great measure but it doesn't do magic.
You do get why my hypothetical example shows that. If it helps, imagine @TheScreamingEagles concocted the virus.
Yes I get it.
SINGLE PERSON HOUSEHOLDS.
Explains the entire global Covid stats discrepancy.
Leaving aside the current polls, I strongly suspect that Altrincham and Sale West will go red next election unless the Tories win nationally by at least double digits. Demographically it's exactly the sort of young professional gentrifying suburb which is swinging hard away from the Tories for a decade or so, the flip side to the (more numerous) seats with white working class voters they are gaining.
This is a seat I'm planning on doing a thread on.
Is about the Green dynamic, is it places like this where the Green surge damages Labour badly.
It depends how even that swing is Greens are notoriously willing to Tactically Vote where it matters in a marginal. Just look at the other Brighton seats.
Jones, who was speaking after England defeated Tonga in the Autumn Nations Series on Saturday, used Raducanu as a cautionary example when discussing the need for Marcus Smith, the talented young England rugby player, to remain focused: “The big thing for good young players is distractions … there’s a reason why the young girl who won the US Open hasn’t done so well afterwards,” said Jones
The comments prompted criticism on social media, the BBC sports presenter Gabby Logan called Jones’s comments “unbelievably unfair and not even remotely comparable … imagine an 18-year-old rugby player winning a World Cup having never played a club game.” Logan’s response was endorsed by the tennis coach Judy Murray.
Jones is bang on the money.
Whether he is or not I don't get the outrage, he's entitled to his opinion.
Just to make sure I am getting this right:
We have a right to an opinion that when an 18 year old tennis player has won 2 matches and lost 2 matches we can say she is not doing well and attribute that to a specific cause.
However we do not have the right to a critical opinion when an experienced sports manager fundamentally misunderstands the career path of a young player in a different sport?
Where on earth did you get that idea? No, you haven't got that right in the slightest, and I don't know how you even reached that conclusion. That's just a barmy interpretation. I said I didn't get the outrage, nothing at all like that he couldn't be criticised for his opinion. I've criticised it myself.
Jones, who was speaking after England defeated Tonga in the Autumn Nations Series on Saturday, used Raducanu as a cautionary example when discussing the need for Marcus Smith, the talented young England rugby player, to remain focused: “The big thing for good young players is distractions … there’s a reason why the young girl who won the US Open hasn’t done so well afterwards,” said Jones
The comments prompted criticism on social media, the BBC sports presenter Gabby Logan called Jones’s comments “unbelievably unfair and not even remotely comparable … imagine an 18-year-old rugby player winning a World Cup having never played a club game.” Logan’s response was endorsed by the tennis coach Judy Murray.
Jones is bang on the money.
Whether he is or not I don't get the outrage, he's entitled to his opinion.
Just to make sure I am getting this right:
We have a right to an opinion that when an 18 year old tennis player has won 2 matches and lost 2 matches we can say she is not doing well and attribute that to a specific cause.
However we do not have the right to a critical opinion when an experienced sports manager fundamentally misunderstands the career path of a young player in a different sport?
Where on earth did you get that idea? No, you haven't got that right in the slightest, and I don't know how you even reached that conclusion.
Why does Jones have a right to an opinion about Raducanu when Logan and Murray are seemingly not allowed their opinion about Jones?
Sadly it's not going to happen - but the Democrats need to change tack quickly.
Yep, good OpEd. I forget who it was on here going on about how the electorate loved the Build Back Better program. Well, yes, they like each of the components in principle, but a $5 trillion bill when combined with the Infrastructure Bill was always going to turn off the middle classes, as they know they are the ones who will end up paying for unfunded government spending.
It wasn't unfunded. It was funded by taxing corporartions and the super rich, another policy that polled incredibly well with massive bipartisan support amongst the electorate.
The just passed infrastructure bill by conteast, so beloved of the Congressional and Senate centerists, is unfunded and adds hundreds of billions to the national debt.
Don't remember where you live in the US, but that may be what you're hearing/reading where you are, but it is definitely not the vibe I am getting in the DC metro area. And not sure why it is being referred to OMB if it is generally accepted as being fully funded.
Jones, who was speaking after England defeated Tonga in the Autumn Nations Series on Saturday, used Raducanu as a cautionary example when discussing the need for Marcus Smith, the talented young England rugby player, to remain focused: “The big thing for good young players is distractions … there’s a reason why the young girl who won the US Open hasn’t done so well afterwards,” said Jones
The comments prompted criticism on social media, the BBC sports presenter Gabby Logan called Jones’s comments “unbelievably unfair and not even remotely comparable … imagine an 18-year-old rugby player winning a World Cup having never played a club game.” Logan’s response was endorsed by the tennis coach Judy Murray.
Jones is bang on the money.
Whether he is or not I don't get the outrage, he's entitled to his opinion.
Just to make sure I am getting this right:
We have a right to an opinion that when an 18 year old tennis player has won 2 matches and lost 2 matches we can say she is not doing well and attribute that to a specific cause.
However we do not have the right to a critical opinion when an experienced sports manager fundamentally misunderstands the career path of a young player in a different sport?
Where on earth did you get that idea? No, you haven't got that right in the slightest, and I don't know how you even reached that conclusion.
Why does Jones have a right to an opinion about Raducanu when Logan and Murray are seemingly not allowed their opinion about Jones?
Who said they don't? You're completely losing me here.
I'm not sure I understand where the controversy is here - are you reading 'I don't get the outrage' as 'they should not be able to say that' or something? Because that's barmy.
Since when is not being as outraged as someone elses opinion is mean thinking they should not be able to express their opinion?
Am I the only one who remembers us trying all sorts of things last autumn/winter to try to find something short of national lockdown that would prevent hospitals being overwhelmed?
Rule of Six, masking, Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, local lockdowns, stuff like that? It’s not like we only ever tried lockdowns. We have plenty of data on what happened with the alternative options.
"Hospitals being overwhelmed" is lazy shorthand. According to the Guardian they have been overwhelmed or close to it every winter for the past 20 years.
I have said that we saw the pictures of Northern Italy and understandably panicked. And from that moment on everything was done in panic - from Nightingales to care homes. We didn't stop to think through the consequences or do any scenario analysis including all risk factors.
So, in your view, covid didn’t do anything out of the usual for the NHS? Yeah, I think we’re done here. There’s no evidence you’re ever going to accept.
Scientific papers? Pshaw, if they don’t say what you want, they’re irrelevant.
The level of acute beds taken up and the ICNARC reports on ICU loading? Nothing out of the ordinary.
Any evidence on comparability of Nordic countries on multiple measures and their differences from the UK? Nope, not listening.
Why should anyone waste their time showing you any evidence on it? You’ve made your mind up, and facts aren’t going to sway that.
Are those graphs on their way? Control for any factor you think relevant. Single households, etc. Looking forward to it.
Your comfort blanket of lockdown, lockdown sooner, lockdown longer has been a persistent feature of Covid on PB. Of course you hate lockdown but it is your go-to response when one country has shown that it can be handled without for example, taking children out of school and other measures.
But you hate that because you are so invested in lockdown. With people like you I suspect we will get another lockdown or two before the pandemic is over. Because they work. And the NHS is swamped.
Lol. Yeah, sure. I never spent ages arguing last year that we needed to find the "low hanging fruit" and see which NPIs worked best in order to avoid lockdowns. Never said that lockdowns were a crude instrument. Never had issues with a severely autistic son getting frazzled.
Got to laugh, really.
Still no graphs.
Sorry to hear about your son.
If you want more graphs, why not go and get them yourself? The site from where they’re sourced is on all of them. I haven’t got the time or inclination to run around getting them for you. After all, I’ve concluded that you’re not amenable to evidence, so why would I waste my time (and yours) on it any further?
And thank you for your sympathy on my lad. It’s been a heck of a time, but he’s born up really well, all things considered.
Glad to hear it.
I just posted the excess death stats. Sweden was 109 (excess deaths per 100,000) while most of non-Scandi Europe was above and Sweden's nearest neighbours well below.
Sweden on excess deaths = top of the pack EU-wide and bottom of the pack Scandi-wide.
Doesn't excess deaths control for all those factors that have been pointed out contribute to Sweden's Covid performance.
No, excess deaths does not control for factors like single occupancy and lack of intergenerational family units.
To demonstrate this think of a extremely deadly and highly transmissible virus that only killed native French speakers.
France introduces a draconian lockdown and still suffers high level of deaths, massive excess mortality.
Sweden introduces no restrictions and barely anyone dies. Barely a ripple of excess mortality.
LOL. So everyone says that the only meaningful metric is excess deaths but no. Not for Sweden.
All im saying is the excess deaths as a measure does not have the properties you claim it does.
Excess deaths is a great measure but it doesn't do magic.
You do get why my hypothetical example shows that. If it helps, imagine @TheScreamingEagles concocted the virus.
Yes I get it.
SINGLE PERSON HOUSEHOLDS.
Explains the entire global Covid stats discrepancy.
All I have to say is follow the money:
Pfizer produced the first and best Covid vaccine.
Pfizer now flog boosters due to fading of the vaccines.
Pfizer announced last week that they have the fitst Protease inhibitor that works on covid.
If that virus doesn't have a Pfizer trademark on it somewhere...🤔
(And their virus is as effective as their other products!)
FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF ANY DOUBT, THIS POST IS TONGUE IN CHEEK!
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Good Lord. The futility of feeding mid term polls into Electoral Calculus has been given an air of respectability. There’s no hope now
Yes, add in a bit of tactical voting to the eye of bat and tail of newt and give it all a stir!
No doubt though that Johnson has lost his sheen. Can he regain it? Or is his act as dated as Jim Davidson?
He has one obvious chance for a big comeback. If Britain pushes through winter with no more lockdowns, no restrictions and ever-declining Covid (as seems possible, at least) while many of our European friends are forced into more lockdowns and suffer worsening Covid, then Boris will be seen as a great liberator. I expect many voters will forgive or forget the sleaze, and return to the True Faith
Lots could go wrong, however, of course
Does Boris have a conscience? Lady Macbeth did, down deep.
"Out, damned spot! out, I say!–One: two: why, then, ’tis time to do’t.–Hell is murky!–Fie, my lord, fie! a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our power to account?"
Jones, who was speaking after England defeated Tonga in the Autumn Nations Series on Saturday, used Raducanu as a cautionary example when discussing the need for Marcus Smith, the talented young England rugby player, to remain focused: “The big thing for good young players is distractions … there’s a reason why the young girl who won the US Open hasn’t done so well afterwards,” said Jones
The comments prompted criticism on social media, the BBC sports presenter Gabby Logan called Jones’s comments “unbelievably unfair and not even remotely comparable … imagine an 18-year-old rugby player winning a World Cup having never played a club game.” Logan’s response was endorsed by the tennis coach Judy Murray.
Jones is bang on the money.
Whether he is or not I don't get the outrage, he's entitled to his opinion.
Just to make sure I am getting this right:
We have a right to an opinion that when an 18 year old tennis player has won 2 matches and lost 2 matches we can say she is not doing well and attribute that to a specific cause.
However we do not have the right to a critical opinion when an experienced sports manager fundamentally misunderstands the career path of a young player in a different sport?
Where on earth did you get that idea? No, you haven't got that right in the slightest, and I don't know how you even reached that conclusion.
Why does Jones have a right to an opinion about Raducanu when Logan and Murray are seemingly not allowed their opinion about Jones?
Who said they don't? You're completely losing me here.
I'm not sure I understand where the controversy is here - are you reading 'I don't get the outrage' as 'they should not be able to say that' or something? Because that's barmy.
At a minimum I would read that as "they should not have said it"?
Why use "outrage"? The comments of “unbelievably unfair and not even remotely comparable" are simply accurate observations, not outrage.
, But 2001 was an easy victory for the govt wasn’t it? 2017… can you analyse that in this way? Anyway, the Tories lead in seats didn’t go down that much, it just so happened that it went from small majority to a few seats short.
I’m picking the ones where incumbents looked in trouble and won. Here’s another.
Am I the only one who remembers us trying all sorts of things last autumn/winter to try to find something short of national lockdown that would prevent hospitals being overwhelmed?
Rule of Six, masking, Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, local lockdowns, stuff like that? It’s not like we only ever tried lockdowns. We have plenty of data on what happened with the alternative options.
"Hospitals being overwhelmed" is lazy shorthand. According to the Guardian they have been overwhelmed or close to it every winter for the past 20 years.
I have said that we saw the pictures of Northern Italy and understandably panicked. And from that moment on everything was done in panic - from Nightingales to care homes. We didn't stop to think through the consequences or do any scenario analysis including all risk factors.
So, in your view, covid didn’t do anything out of the usual for the NHS? Yeah, I think we’re done here. There’s no evidence you’re ever going to accept.
Scientific papers? Pshaw, if they don’t say what you want, they’re irrelevant.
The level of acute beds taken up and the ICNARC reports on ICU loading? Nothing out of the ordinary.
Any evidence on comparability of Nordic countries on multiple measures and their differences from the UK? Nope, not listening.
Why should anyone waste their time showing you any evidence on it? You’ve made your mind up, and facts aren’t going to sway that.
Are those graphs on their way? Control for any factor you think relevant. Single households, etc. Looking forward to it.
Your comfort blanket of lockdown, lockdown sooner, lockdown longer has been a persistent feature of Covid on PB. Of course you hate lockdown but it is your go-to response when one country has shown that it can be handled without for example, taking children out of school and other measures.
But you hate that because you are so invested in lockdown. With people like you I suspect we will get another lockdown or two before the pandemic is over. Because they work. And the NHS is swamped.
Lol. Yeah, sure. I never spent ages arguing last year that we needed to find the "low hanging fruit" and see which NPIs worked best in order to avoid lockdowns. Never said that lockdowns were a crude instrument. Never had issues with a severely autistic son getting frazzled.
Got to laugh, really.
Still no graphs.
Sorry to hear about your son.
If you want more graphs, why not go and get them yourself? The site from where they’re sourced is on all of them. I haven’t got the time or inclination to run around getting them for you. After all, I’ve concluded that you’re not amenable to evidence, so why would I waste my time (and yours) on it any further?
And thank you for your sympathy on my lad. It’s been a heck of a time, but he’s born up really well, all things considered.
Glad to hear it.
I just posted the excess death stats. Sweden was 109 (excess deaths per 100,000) while most of non-Scandi Europe was above and Sweden's nearest neighbours well below.
Sweden on excess deaths = top of the pack EU-wide and bottom of the pack Scandi-wide.
Doesn't excess deaths control for all those factors that have been pointed out contribute to Sweden's Covid performance.
No, excess deaths does not control for factors like single occupancy and lack of intergenerational family units.
To demonstrate this think of a extremely deadly and highly transmissible virus that only killed native French speakers.
France introduces a draconian lockdown and still suffers high level of deaths, massive excess mortality.
Sweden introduces no restrictions and barely anyone dies. Barely a ripple of excess mortality.
LOL. So everyone says that the only meaningful metric is excess deaths but no. Not for Sweden.
All im saying is the excess deaths as a measure does not have the properties you claim it does.
Excess deaths is a great measure but it doesn't do magic.
You do get why my hypothetical example shows that. If it helps, imagine @TheScreamingEagles concocted the virus.
Yes I get it.
SINGLE PERSON HOUSEHOLDS.
Explains the entire global Covid stats discrepancy.
All I have to say is follow the money:
Pfizer produced the first and best Covid vaccine.
Pfizer now flog boosters due to fading of the vaccines.
Pfizer announced last week that they have the fitst Protease inhibitor that works on covid.
If that virus doesn't have a Pfizer trademark on it somewhere...🤔
(And their virus is as effective as their other products!)
FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF ANY DOUBT, THIS POST IS TONGUE IN CHEEK!
It came from a lab: a Pfizer lab. Leon needs to get on the case.
Am I the only one who remembers us trying all sorts of things last autumn/winter to try to find something short of national lockdown that would prevent hospitals being overwhelmed?
Rule of Six, masking, Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3, local lockdowns, stuff like that? It’s not like we only ever tried lockdowns. We have plenty of data on what happened with the alternative options.
"Hospitals being overwhelmed" is lazy shorthand. According to the Guardian they have been overwhelmed or close to it every winter for the past 20 years.
I have said that we saw the pictures of Northern Italy and understandably panicked. And from that moment on everything was done in panic - from Nightingales to care homes. We didn't stop to think through the consequences or do any scenario analysis including all risk factors.
So, in your view, covid didn’t do anything out of the usual for the NHS? Yeah, I think we’re done here. There’s no evidence you’re ever going to accept.
Scientific papers? Pshaw, if they don’t say what you want, they’re irrelevant.
The level of acute beds taken up and the ICNARC reports on ICU loading? Nothing out of the ordinary.
Any evidence on comparability of Nordic countries on multiple measures and their differences from the UK? Nope, not listening.
Why should anyone waste their time showing you any evidence on it? You’ve made your mind up, and facts aren’t going to sway that.
Are those graphs on their way? Control for any factor you think relevant. Single households, etc. Looking forward to it.
Your comfort blanket of lockdown, lockdown sooner, lockdown longer has been a persistent feature of Covid on PB. Of course you hate lockdown but it is your go-to response when one country has shown that it can be handled without for example, taking children out of school and other measures.
But you hate that because you are so invested in lockdown. With people like you I suspect we will get another lockdown or two before the pandemic is over. Because they work. And the NHS is swamped.
Lol. Yeah, sure. I never spent ages arguing last year that we needed to find the "low hanging fruit" and see which NPIs worked best in order to avoid lockdowns. Never said that lockdowns were a crude instrument. Never had issues with a severely autistic son getting frazzled.
Got to laugh, really.
Still no graphs.
Sorry to hear about your son.
If you want more graphs, why not go and get them yourself? The site from where they’re sourced is on all of them. I haven’t got the time or inclination to run around getting them for you. After all, I’ve concluded that you’re not amenable to evidence, so why would I waste my time (and yours) on it any further?
And thank you for your sympathy on my lad. It’s been a heck of a time, but he’s born up really well, all things considered.
Glad to hear it.
I just posted the excess death stats. Sweden was 109 (excess deaths per 100,000) while most of non-Scandi Europe was above and Sweden's nearest neighbours well below.
Sweden on excess deaths = top of the pack EU-wide and bottom of the pack Scandi-wide.
Doesn't excess deaths control for all those factors that have been pointed out contribute to Sweden's Covid performance.
No, excess deaths does not control for factors like single occupancy and lack of intergenerational family units.
To demonstrate this think of a extremely deadly and highly transmissible virus that only killed native French speakers.
France introduces a draconian lockdown and still suffers high level of deaths, massive excess mortality.
Sweden introduces no restrictions and barely anyone dies. Barely a ripple of excess mortality.
LOL. So everyone says that the only meaningful metric is excess deaths but no. Not for Sweden.
All im saying is the excess deaths as a measure does not have the properties you claim it does.
Excess deaths is a great measure but it doesn't do magic.
You do get why my hypothetical example shows that. If it helps, imagine @TheScreamingEagles concocted the virus.
Yes I get it.
SINGLE PERSON HOUSEHOLDS.
Explains the entire global Covid stats discrepancy.
All I have to say is follow the money:
Pfizer produced the first and best Covid vaccine.
Pfizer now flog boosters due to fading of the vaccines.
Pfizer announced last week that they have the fitst Protease inhibitor that works on covid.
If that virus doesn't have a Pfizer trademark on it somewhere...🤔
(And their virus is as effective as their other products!)
FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF ANY DOUBT, THIS POST IS TONGUE IN CHEEK!
Just what I'd expect from a Big Pharma shill so called "doctor"
Leaving aside the current polls, I strongly suspect that Altrincham and Sale West will go red next election unless the Tories win nationally by at least double digits. Demographically it's exactly the sort of young professional gentrifying suburb which is swinging hard away from the Tories for a decade or so, the flip side to the (more numerous) seats with white working class voters they are gaining.
This is a seat I'm planning on doing a thread on.
Is about the Green dynamic, is it places like this where the Green surge damages Labour badly.
The Greens polling figures strike me as being more about the brand recognition rather than the qualities of their largely unknown new co-leaders.
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
I don't see why.
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Some Hebrew texts just miss out all the vowels and you have to guess what they might be. So GN in English could be gain, gene, gin, gone, gun, goon, etc.
He has one obvious chance for a big comeback. If Britain pushes through winter with no more lockdowns, no restrictions and ever-declining Covid (as seems possible, at least) while many of our European friends are forced into more lockdowns and suffer worsening Covid, then Boris will be seen as a great liberator. I expect many voters will forgive or forget the sleaze, and return to the True Faith
Lots could go wrong, however, of course
There's always a straw to cling to for those of the Conservative faith, eh, Martin?
I suppose there's always the "look much better the UK is doing than (fill in the blank)". After all, that's where we are with the debate, some claim the pandemic ended in July, others say it's still a crisis yet for some it's a macabre national contest to see who is doing "better" or "worse".
Er, what?
It's a game everyone in every country is playing. Earlier today we had a big discussion of Why wasn't Britain as good as Sweden
To which some said No, Sweden was crap
In Germany their debate is Why can't we have Freedom Day like the Britz, with plenty saying No, the British are mad
This is actually healthy. This is countries and systems learning from each other. More, please
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Some Hebrew texts just miss out all the vowels and you have to guess what they might be. So GN in English could be gain, gene, gin, gone, gun, goon, etc.
Jones, who was speaking after England defeated Tonga in the Autumn Nations Series on Saturday, used Raducanu as a cautionary example when discussing the need for Marcus Smith, the talented young England rugby player, to remain focused: “The big thing for good young players is distractions … there’s a reason why the young girl who won the US Open hasn’t done so well afterwards,” said Jones
The comments prompted criticism on social media, the BBC sports presenter Gabby Logan called Jones’s comments “unbelievably unfair and not even remotely comparable … imagine an 18-year-old rugby player winning a World Cup having never played a club game.” Logan’s response was endorsed by the tennis coach Judy Murray.
Jones is bang on the money.
Whether he is or not I don't get the outrage, he's entitled to his opinion.
Just to make sure I am getting this right:
We have a right to an opinion that when an 18 year old tennis player has won 2 matches and lost 2 matches we can say she is not doing well and attribute that to a specific cause.
However we do not have the right to a critical opinion when an experienced sports manager fundamentally misunderstands the career path of a young player in a different sport?
Where on earth did you get that idea? No, you haven't got that right in the slightest, and I don't know how you even reached that conclusion.
Why does Jones have a right to an opinion about Raducanu when Logan and Murray are seemingly not allowed their opinion about Jones?
Who said they don't? You're completely losing me here.
I'm not sure I understand where the controversy is here - are you reading 'I don't get the outrage' as 'they should not be able to say that' or something? Because that's barmy.
At a minimum I would read that as "they should not have said it"?
Well that is not what I wrote, its not what I meant, and inventing an entirely different meaning with negative implications seemingly because of the use of a single word you took issue with strikes me as somewhat unreasonable.
I'm not sure how I can reassure you otherwise given I never said what you claimed in the first place. I was already clear subsequently I certainly don't agree with Jones' opinion. If you want to substitute 'outrage' for some other word go ahead, I just don't understand why Jones saying it caused such a stir in the first place.
I'm a little surprised you'd take a single word and extrapolate so wildly from it. Perhaps give some benefit of the doubt.
Jones, who was speaking after England defeated Tonga in the Autumn Nations Series on Saturday, used Raducanu as a cautionary example when discussing the need for Marcus Smith, the talented young England rugby player, to remain focused: “The big thing for good young players is distractions … there’s a reason why the young girl who won the US Open hasn’t done so well afterwards,” said Jones
The comments prompted criticism on social media, the BBC sports presenter Gabby Logan called Jones’s comments “unbelievably unfair and not even remotely comparable … imagine an 18-year-old rugby player winning a World Cup having never played a club game.” Logan’s response was endorsed by the tennis coach Judy Murray.
Jones is bang on the money.
Whether he is or not I don't get the outrage, he's entitled to his opinion.
Just to make sure I am getting this right:
We have a right to an opinion that when an 18 year old tennis player has won 2 matches and lost 2 matches we can say she is not doing well and attribute that to a specific cause.
However we do not have the right to a critical opinion when an experienced sports manager fundamentally misunderstands the career path of a young player in a different sport?
Where on earth did you get that idea? No, you haven't got that right in the slightest, and I don't know how you even reached that conclusion.
Why does Jones have a right to an opinion about Raducanu when Logan and Murray are seemingly not allowed their opinion about Jones?
Who said they don't? You're completely losing me here.
I'm not sure I understand where the controversy is here - are you reading 'I don't get the outrage' as 'they should not be able to say that' or something? Because that's barmy.
At a minimum I would read that as "they should not have said it"?
Well that is not what I wrote, its not what I meant, and inventing an entirely different meaning with negative implications seemingly because of the use of a single word you took issue with strikes me as somewhat unreasonable.
I'm not sure how I can reassure you otherwise given I never said what you claimed in the first place. I was already clear subsequently I certainly don't agree with Jones' opinion. If you want to substitute 'outrage' for some other word go ahead, I just don't understand why Jones saying it caused such a stir in the first place.
It is not such a stir. He said something wrong. Others corrected him, but are accused of outrage or creating a stir for correcting him.
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
I don't see why.
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
The HOL needs either abolitioning or elected on a fair bases, and not a place for politicians to retire to and earn £300 a day
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
This is now possible following Brexit as the EU banned the import of both vowels and consonants from non EU countries, this was a protectionist move from Finns and Lithuanians to preserve their unique and historic markets in declensions and conjugations.
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Some Hebrew texts just miss out all the vowels and you have to guess what they might be. So GN in English could be gain, gene, gin, gone, gun, goon, etc.
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Some Hebrew texts just miss out all the vowels and you have to guess what they might be. So GN in English could be gain, gene, gin, gone, gun, goon, etc.
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Some Hebrew texts just miss out all the vowels and you have to guess what they might be. So GN in English could be gain, gene, gin, gone, gun, goon, etc.
Same in Arabic. But then in Kufic script they also missed out the dots that distinguish between the consonants n, t, th, b, y (and other smaller groups of consonants, e.g. s/sh). A beautiful script, mind.
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
I don't see why.
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
The HOL needs either abolitioning or elected on a fair bases, and not a place for politicians to retire to and earn £300 a day
Good news, as it is an allowance they don't need to 'earn' it.
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Some Hebrew texts just miss out all the vowels and you have to guess what they might be. So GN in English could be gain, gene, gin, gone, gun, goon, etc.
Leaving aside the current polls, I strongly suspect that Altrincham and Sale West will go red next election unless the Tories win nationally by at least double digits. Demographically it's exactly the sort of young professional gentrifying suburb which is swinging hard away from the Tories for a decade or so, the flip side to the (more numerous) seats with white working class voters they are gaining.
This is a seat I'm planning on doing a thread on.
Is about the Green dynamic, is it places like this where the Green surge damages Labour badly.
The Greens polling figures strike me as being more about the brand recognition rather than the qualities of their largely unknown new co-leaders.
Leaving aside the current polls, I strongly suspect that Altrincham and Sale West will go red next election unless the Tories win nationally by at least double digits. Demographically it's exactly the sort of young professional gentrifying suburb which is swinging hard away from the Tories for a decade or so, the flip side to the (more numerous) seats with white working class voters they are gaining.
This is a seat I'm planning on doing a thread on.
Is about the Green dynamic, is it places like this where the Green surge damages Labour badly.
The Greens polling figures strike me as being more about the brand recognition rather than the qualities of their largely unknown new co-leaders.
Yes, and the COP26 publicity.
That and the pumping sewage into the rivers story.
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Some Hebrew texts just miss out all the vowels and you have to guess what they might be. So GN in English could be gain, gene, gin, gone, gun, goon, etc.
Arabic ditto
svs ppr
gd pnt
Do you save more if both pepper and paper are ppr? Or would that pauper us?
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Some Hebrew texts just miss out all the vowels and you have to guess what they might be. So GN in English could be gain, gene, gin, gone, gun, goon, etc.
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
I don't see why.
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
The HOL needs either abolitioning or elected on a fair bases, and not a place for politicians to retire to and earn £300 a day
The allowance is paid on the basis of attendance and there is no reason why we should not have experienced elder statesmen in our upper house.
Make the Lords into an elected Senate like the US and it would also seek to be able to block Bills permanently, not merely delay as the Lords does now and we would end up with the same legislative deadlock the US has if a different party controls the House and Senate
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Some Hebrew texts just miss out all the vowels and you have to guess what they might be. So GN in English could be gain, gene, gin, gone, gun, goon, etc.
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Some Hebrew texts just miss out all the vowels and you have to guess what they might be. So GN in English could be gain, gene, gin, gone, gun, goon, etc.
Same in Arabic. But then in Kufic script they also missed out the dots that distinguish between the consonants n, t, th, b, y (and other smaller groups of consonants, e.g. s/sh). A beautiful script, mind.
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Some Hebrew texts just miss out all the vowels and you have to guess what they might be. So GN in English could be gain, gene, gin, gone, gun, goon, etc.
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Some Hebrew texts just miss out all the vowels and you have to guess what they might be. So GN in English could be gain, gene, gin, gone, gun, goon, etc.
Same in Arabic. But then in Kufic script they also missed out the dots that distinguish between the consonants n, t, th, b, y (and other smaller groups of consonants, e.g. s/sh). A beautiful script, mind.
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Some Hebrew texts just miss out all the vowels and you have to guess what they might be. So GN in English could be gain, gene, gin, gone, gun, goon, etc.
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Some Hebrew texts just miss out all the vowels and you have to guess what they might be. So GN in English could be gain, gene, gin, gone, gun, goon, etc.
Same in Arabic. But then in Kufic script they also missed out the dots that distinguish between the consonants n, t, th, b, y (and other smaller groups of consonants, e.g. s/sh). A beautiful script, mind.
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
I don't see why.
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
The HOL needs either abolitioning or elected on a fair bases, and not a place for politicians to retire to and earn £300 a day
The allowance is paid on the basis of attendance and there is no reason why we should not have experienced elder statesmen in our upper house.
Make the Lords into an elected Senate like the US and it would also seek to be able to block Bills permanently, not merely delay as the Lords does now and we would end up with the same legislative deadlock the US has if a different party controls the House and Senate
The US seems to have got by quite well without a House of Lords. I don't see them rushing to implement it. Occasionally a check and balance may get in the way of the executive. As we saw in January and last week, that's not always a bad thing.
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
I don't see why.
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
Yes, I agree
IDS is exactly the kind of person you want in the Lords, if you want senior politicians. Thoughtful, hard working, experienced at a very high level, has done good work on poverty, and he represents a big strand of opinion in British life. Why would he not be an asset in a sensible, law-modifying 2nd chamber?
I would say the same for Jeremy Corbyn. I despise his politics, but he has never broken the law, and he is clearly popular with many, and represents a definite slice of British politics. And he has wisdom (of his own kind) after many years. Put him in the Lords, too. This is not a party political thing. If you have an appointed revising 2nd chamber then these people should be in it
Jones, who was speaking after England defeated Tonga in the Autumn Nations Series on Saturday, used Raducanu as a cautionary example when discussing the need for Marcus Smith, the talented young England rugby player, to remain focused: “The big thing for good young players is distractions … there’s a reason why the young girl who won the US Open hasn’t done so well afterwards,” said Jones
The comments prompted criticism on social media, the BBC sports presenter Gabby Logan called Jones’s comments “unbelievably unfair and not even remotely comparable … imagine an 18-year-old rugby player winning a World Cup having never played a club game.” Logan’s response was endorsed by the tennis coach Judy Murray.
Jones is bang on the money.
Whether he is or not I don't get the outrage, he's entitled to his opinion.
Just to make sure I am getting this right:
We have a right to an opinion that when an 18 year old tennis player has won 2 matches and lost 2 matches we can say she is not doing well and attribute that to a specific cause.
However we do not have the right to a critical opinion when an experienced sports manager fundamentally misunderstands the career path of a young player in a different sport?
Where on earth did you get that idea? No, you haven't got that right in the slightest, and I don't know how you even reached that conclusion.
Why does Jones have a right to an opinion about Raducanu when Logan and Murray are seemingly not allowed their opinion about Jones?
Who said they don't? You're completely losing me here.
I'm not sure I understand where the controversy is here - are you reading 'I don't get the outrage' as 'they should not be able to say that' or something? Because that's barmy.
At a minimum I would read that as "they should not have said it"?
Well that is not what I wrote, its not what I meant, and inventing an entirely different meaning with negative implications seemingly because of the use of a single word you took issue with strikes me as somewhat unreasonable.
I'm not sure how I can reassure you otherwise given I never said what you claimed in the first place. I was already clear subsequently I certainly don't agree with Jones' opinion. If you want to substitute 'outrage' for some other word go ahead, I just don't understand why Jones saying it caused such a stir in the first place.
It is not such a stir. He said something wrong. Others corrected him, but are accused of outrage or creating a stir for correcting him.
As I said I have no idea how to reassure you because you've accused me several times of something I never said (and thanks for not acknowledging that), and I'm baffled as to what you think is going on here as a result. You seem to be over analysing individual word usage and seeing things that are not there as a result. Now you're seemingly getting huffy about the expression 'such a stir', and forgive me but I really don't think you can grab a precise definition from a casual expression and use it as proof of...I still have no clue.
We've already gone from you incorrectly thinking it was about preventing people criticising Jones, and now we're onto it about being too harsh about them criticising Jones, so we're making progress at least but still not there.
Since you began you're entirely incorrect interpretation with 'just to make sure I have this right', and you didn't, how about we leave it at that? You interpreting my words for me isn't working, and my explaining what my words meant apparently isn't convincing you that I don't have some desire to stymie criticise of Jones.
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
I don't see why.
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
The HOL needs either abolitioning or elected on a fair bases, and not a place for politicians to retire to and earn £300 a day
The allowance is paid on the basis of attendance and there is no reason why we should not have experienced elder statesmen in our upper house.
Make the Lords into an elected Senate like the US and it would also seek to be able to block Bills permanently, not merely delay as the Lords does now and we would end up with the same legislative deadlock the US has if a different party controls the House and Senate
That could work. The Australian Senate has 1911 House of Lords powers, IIRC
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
I don't see why.
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
The HOL needs either abolitioning or elected on a fair bases, and not a place for politicians to retire to and earn £300 a day
The allowance is paid on the basis of attendance and there is no reason why we should not have experienced elder statesmen in our upper house.
Make the Lords into an elected Senate like the US and it would also seek to be able to block Bills permanently, not merely delay as the Lords does now and we would end up with the same legislative deadlock the US has if a different party controls the House and Senate
Whilst not disagreeing with any of that there is a lot of dead wood and has-beens there.
And unless the topic is cricket or getting drunk with Australians I'm not sure what Botham offers that many more can't.
The Department for Transport is aware that this has been used in a few places and our view is that you would need to seek your own legal advice as to whether your proposals comply with the relevant legislation.
All pedestrian crossings are regulated by the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (TSRGD). This includes zebras, puffins, and the type of pedestrian facilities at junctions referred to here.
TSRGD prescribes the signs, signals and markings that must be used to create the different types of crossing. The Traffic Signs Manual gives guidance on the use of road markings in Chapter 5, but the requirements of TSRGD take precedence over any good practice guidance. In the Department’s view, coloured surfacing is not considered a traffic sign or road marking and therefore doesn’t come within the scope of the TSRGD. It has no legal meaning and therefore could be placed within the crossing studs at a signal-controlled crossing, or pedestrian facility at a junction.
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I would like to draw a couple of practical points to your attention – if there is a notice or poster explaining what the artwork is, then it should be sited so that people don’t block the footway when they stop to read it, or have to put themselves in a dangerous position. And if this is to be a permanent installation, then there is a need to think about maintenance in the longer term as surfacing can have quite a short life.
Any authority using these should consider the possible impact on road users, perhaps through a risk assessment process.
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
I don't see why.
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
The HOL needs either abolitioning or elected on a fair bases, and not a place for politicians to retire to and earn £300 a day
For sure. But the obstacle is, that for elected politicians, the mere hint of elevation into that circus - as the SNP called it today - is often enough to get a politician to do what you want, or a businessman to open his wallet. For both Tory and Labour the patronage and preferment they can dispense via the Lords is just too juicy for them to contemplate taking it away and letting the unwashed such as us choose who goes there.
Leaving aside the current polls, I strongly suspect that Altrincham and Sale West will go red next election unless the Tories win nationally by at least double digits. Demographically it's exactly the sort of young professional gentrifying suburb which is swinging hard away from the Tories for a decade or so, the flip side to the (more numerous) seats with white working class voters they are gaining.
This is a seat I'm planning on doing a thread on.
Is about the Green dynamic, is it places like this where the Green surge damages Labour badly.
The Greens polling figures strike me as being more about the brand recognition rather than the qualities of their largely unknown new co-leaders.
If I may interject from the Sale East bit of neighbouring Wythenshawe and Sale East - yes, but...
It's not really 'gentrifying'. This is one of the wealthiest seats in the north west, and has been for my whole life. There's the odd humdrum council estate, the odd bit of semi-detached post war suburbia, the odd flattage in Altrincham town centre - but much of the seat is very wealthy indeed, and always has been. This isn't Bristol West or Sheffield Central. Hale, Halebarns, and Bowdon are footballer country.
That said, this area is trending leftwards. Boris's brand of conservatism doesn't necessarily go down well here - this is much more Cameroon country. The modern conservative party are a little gauche for this lot. And this may be outer GM, but it is still a conurbation with its urban concerns. This is home to the polite upper echelons of the public sector. That said, to much surprise, the Green Party have from nowehere started doing well in Altrincham ward: I put that down to a combination of circumstances: concerted opposition to large-scale local development (all incumbent parties suffered here) which the Greens campained on (cf Chesham and Amersham) together with a briefly highly unpalatable Labour Party (I would expect this to recede as Corbynism fades away) and a mysterious history of weakness by the Lib Dems in the sort of territory they would normally do well in.
For a long time the Tories performed disproportionately well in Trafford in part due to Labour's locally unpopular policy on grammar schools (Trafford is still selective). Without getting into the rights and wrongs of this, there are always a lot of votes to be got out when a status quo is felt to be under attack. Labour have toned this down a lot and are no longer seen as the threat they once were.
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
I don't see why.
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
The HOL needs either abolitioning or elected on a fair bases, and not a place for politicians to retire to and earn £300 a day
The allowance is paid on the basis of attendance and there is no reason why we should not have experienced elder statesmen in our upper house.
Make the Lords into an elected Senate like the US and it would also seek to be able to block Bills permanently, not merely delay as the Lords does now and we would end up with the same legislative deadlock the US has if a different party controls the House and Senate
That could work. The Australian Senate has 1911 House of Lords powers, IIRC
The Australian Senate, elected by PR by state, has actually got almost equal legislative power with the House of Representatives. It can approve, reject or defer all bills from the lower house even if it cannot introduce or amend appropriation bills
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
I don't see why.
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
Yes, I agree
IDS is exactly the kind of person you want in the Lords, if you want senior politicians. Thoughtful, hard working, experienced at a very high level, has done good work on poverty, and he represents a big strand of opinion in British life. Why would he not be an asset in a sensible, law-modifying 2nd chamber?
I would say the same for Jeremy Corbyn. I despise his politics, but he has never broken the law, and he is clearly popular with many, and represents a definite slice of British politics. And he has wisdom (of his own kind) after many years. Put him in the Lords, too. This is not a party political thing. If you have an appointed revising 2nd chamber then these people should be in it
Good Lord. The futility of feeding mid term polls into Electoral Calculus has been given an air of respectability. There’s no hope now
Yes, add in a bit of tactical voting to the eye of bat and tail of newt and give it all a stir!
No doubt though that Johnson has lost his sheen. Can he regain it? Or is his act as dated as Jim Davidson?
He has one obvious chance for a big comeback. If Britain pushes through winter with no more lockdowns, no restrictions and ever-declining Covid (as seems possible, at least) while many of our European friends are forced into more lockdowns and suffer worsening Covid, then Boris will be seen as a great liberator. I expect many voters will forgive or forget the sleaze, and return to the True Faith
Lots could go wrong, however, of course
I think our European friends will certainly suffer worsening Covid over the winter.
The question is whether it is like (say) California, where there are vaxports and mask mandates, but cases and deaths are largely uncorrelated, and life continues pretty much as normal otherwise.
Or, whether it results in either spiking deaths and/or actual lockdowns. (As in, businesses shut and people banned from social activities.)
My money is on the first of these, but we shall see.
It's all relative. If the next couple of months in the EU as a whole look like the last couple of months in the US, it will be difficult to treat it as a return to normal.
It is worth remembering that that EU number covers a wide variety of different sins:
Leaving aside the current polls, I strongly suspect that Altrincham and Sale West will go red next election unless the Tories win nationally by at least double digits. Demographically it's exactly the sort of young professional gentrifying suburb which is swinging hard away from the Tories for a decade or so, the flip side to the (more numerous) seats with white working class voters they are gaining.
This is a seat I'm planning on doing a thread on.
Is about the Green dynamic, is it places like this where the Green surge damages Labour badly.
The Greens polling figures strike me as being more about the brand recognition rather than the qualities of their largely unknown new co-leaders.
Yes, and the COP26 publicity.
That and the pumping sewage into the rivers story.
The Rivers one was in large measure fake (or at least heavily spun) news. Generate some meaningless big scary numbers and shout through a megaphone to scare people, with no examination whatsoever of practicality or costs, and no context or engagement with reality. Just another Green outrage bus.
No comparisons with similar countries - the same issue is in other countries, and Scotland has twice as many combined sewer outfalls per pop as England. But obvs SNP politics is 90% finger pointing, and 10% doing useful stuff for Scotland. So that was Blackford's speech.
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
I don't see why.
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
The HOL needs either abolitioning or elected on a fair bases, and not a place for politicians to retire to and earn £300 a day
The allowance is paid on the basis of attendance and there is no reason why we should not have experienced elder statesmen in our upper house.
Make the Lords into an elected Senate like the US and it would also seek to be able to block Bills permanently, not merely delay as the Lords does now and we would end up with the same legislative deadlock the US has if a different party controls the House and Senate
That could work. The Australian Senate has 1911 House of Lords powers, IIRC
The US system appears designed to cope with the potential insanity of any of its three legs by making sure the others can always stop anything happening.
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
I don't see why.
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
Yes, I agree
IDS is exactly the kind of person you want in the Lords, if you want senior politicians. Thoughtful, hard working, experienced at a very high level, has done good work on poverty, and he represents a big strand of opinion in British life. Why would he not be an asset in a sensible, law-modifying 2nd chamber?
I would say the same for Jeremy Corbyn. I despise his politics, but he has never broken the law, and he is clearly popular with many, and represents a definite slice of British politics. And he has wisdom (of his own kind) after many years. Put him in the Lords, too. This is not a party political thing. If you have an appointed revising 2nd chamber then these people should be in it
Intelligence is no longer a criterion, then?
'No longer'?
The main criterion used to be birth. Then wealth and birth. Then who you know and if you are lucky being an expert.
American progressives are now turning on successful immigrants for not supporting their causes.
You found an arsehole on Twitter and extrapolated. Slow hand clap.
It's hardly an extrapolation. She is repulsive. I see she is now protecting her tweets, she will hopefully be cancelled this evening (she has, it appears, a history of this stuff)
And arseholes-on-Twitter is the metric of today. It is how we assess the world. She just got assessed
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Some Hebrew texts just miss out all the vowels and you have to guess what they might be. So GN in English could be gain, gene, gin, gone, gun, goon, etc.
I appreciate this story is unremittingly sombre, but have to comment on the fact of a murderer named Grzeszcz being unmasked by a Detective Chief Inspector Richard Myszczyszyn, in Lincolnshire.
There is an appalling lack of vowels for our Polish diaspora community. The government needs to arrange a letter swap with Polynesia, which suffers a consonant shortage of similar degree.
Some Hebrew texts just miss out all the vowels and you have to guess what they might be. So GN in English could be gain, gene, gin, gone, gun, goon, etc.
Same in Arabic. But then in Kufic script they also missed out the dots that distinguish between the consonants n, t, th, b, y (and other smaller groups of consonants, e.g. s/sh). A beautiful script, mind.
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
I don't see why.
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
Yes, I agree
IDS is exactly the kind of person you want in the Lords, if you want senior politicians. Thoughtful, hard working, experienced at a very high level, has done good work on poverty, and he represents a big strand of opinion in British life. Why would he not be an asset in a sensible, law-modifying 2nd chamber?
I would say the same for Jeremy Corbyn. I despise his politics, but he has never broken the law, and he is clearly popular with many, and represents a definite slice of British politics. And he has wisdom (of his own kind) after many years. Put him in the Lords, too. This is not a party political thing. If you have an appointed revising 2nd chamber then these people should be in it
Intelligence is no longer a criterion, then?
'No longer'?
The main criterion used to be birth. Then wealth and birth. Then who you know and if you are lucky being an expert.
Good Lord. The futility of feeding mid term polls into Electoral Calculus has been given an air of respectability. There’s no hope now
Yes, add in a bit of tactical voting to the eye of bat and tail of newt and give it all a stir!
No doubt though that Johnson has lost his sheen. Can he regain it? Or is his act as dated as Jim Davidson?
He has one obvious chance for a big comeback. If Britain pushes through winter with no more lockdowns, no restrictions and ever-declining Covid (as seems possible, at least) while many of our European friends are forced into more lockdowns and suffer worsening Covid, then Boris will be seen as a great liberator. I expect many voters will forgive or forget the sleaze, and return to the True Faith
Lots could go wrong, however, of course
I think our European friends will certainly suffer worsening Covid over the winter.
The question is whether it is like (say) California, where there are vaxports and mask mandates, but cases and deaths are largely uncorrelated, and life continues pretty much as normal otherwise.
Or, whether it results in either spiking deaths and/or actual lockdowns. (As in, businesses shut and people banned from social activities.)
My money is on the first of these, but we shall see.
It's all relative. If the next couple of months in the EU as a whole look like the last couple of months in the US, it will be difficult to treat it as a return to normal.
It is worth remembering that that EU number covers a wide variety of different sins:
That's true. I do wonder if there is some stats guy/gal in the Commission who has to keep reminding them of that because there's some ideological person going round insisting things only show EU-wide figures at all times as all must be seen as one.
Probably not, nations still need to rank against each other, but I should make a twitter account and claim it is true and see if it takes off.
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
I don't see why.
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
The HOL needs either abolitioning or elected on a fair bases, and not a place for politicians to retire to and earn £300 a day
The allowance is paid on the basis of attendance and there is no reason why we should not have experienced elder statesmen in our upper house.
Make the Lords into an elected Senate like the US and it would also seek to be able to block Bills permanently, not merely delay as the Lords does now and we would end up with the same legislative deadlock the US has if a different party controls the House and Senate
The US seems to have got by quite well without a House of Lords. I don't see them rushing to implement it. Occasionally a check and balance may get in the way of the executive. As we saw in January and last week, that's not always a bad thing.
The US hardly ever gets any significant legislation passed, precisely because it elects both chambers of its legislature and its Head of State and all can block legislation. Even if one party controls all 3 branches of the Federal government, if it does not have a big majority in one chamber just 1 or 2 defections from its most centrist members can block passage of bills as planned, as Manchin and Sinema have proved
Oh dear he's going to be a litigant-in-person, that's never a good sign.
Plus an excuse to post this, Nicholas Soames is a real miss in the Commons.
The Mail on Sunday reports that Soames told the MP for Windsor: "You are a chateau bottled nuclear powered ****. You are totally f***ing disloyal, a f***ing disgrace to your party, your fellow MPs, your prime minister and your country."
"This is nothing more than a grotesque f***ing vanity project to promote your absurd f***ing campaign to become party leader. You aren’t up to it, man!"
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
I don't see why.
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
Yes, I agree
IDS is exactly the kind of person you want in the Lords, if you want senior politicians. Thoughtful, hard working, experienced at a very high level, has done good work on poverty, and he represents a big strand of opinion in British life. Why would he not be an asset in a sensible, law-modifying 2nd chamber?
I would say the same for Jeremy Corbyn. I despise his politics, but he has never broken the law, and he is clearly popular with many, and represents a definite slice of British politics. And he has wisdom (of his own kind) after many years. Put him in the Lords, too. This is not a party political thing. If you have an appointed revising 2nd chamber then these people should be in it
Intelligence is no longer a criterion, then?
'No longer'?
The main criterion used to be birth. Then wealth and birth. Then who you know and if you are lucky being an expert.
Fair comment, you win. Big mistake on my part.
How can I ever post here again?
My strategy is volume - people won't find the posts of shame in the forest of sanctimony.
Certainly a number of Tory MPs would lose their seats if Mori is correct. Indeed the Conservatives would not have a single seat left in inner London. Though I suspect IDS would stand down beforehand and head to the Lords.
We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
And you have just made the case why the lords should be abolished
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
I don't see why.
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
The HOL needs either abolitioning or elected on a fair bases, and not a place for politicians to retire to and earn £300 a day
The allowance is paid on the basis of attendance and there is no reason why we should not have experienced elder statesmen in our upper house.
Make the Lords into an elected Senate like the US and it would also seek to be able to block Bills permanently, not merely delay as the Lords does now and we would end up with the same legislative deadlock the US has if a different party controls the House and Senate
The US seems to have got by quite well without a House of Lords. I don't see them rushing to implement it. Occasionally a check and balance may get in the way of the executive. As we saw in January and last week, that's not always a bad thing.
The US hardly ever gets any significant legislation passed, precisely because it elects both chambers of its legislature and its Head of State and all can block legislation. Even if one part controls all 3 branches of the Federal government, if it does not have a big majority in one chamber just 1 or 2 defections from its most centrist members can block passage of bills as planned, as Manchin and Sinema have proved
Whereas in the UK we have the omnishambles of last week.
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We would also be back to a hung parliament, only this time with the SNP, not the DUP or LDs, as Kingmakers
What would the PB of 1978 have been saying?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/08/teenage-killer-boy-12-unmasked-jailed-trying-decapitate-friend/
Is about the Green dynamic, is it places like this where the Green surge damages Labour badly.
Otherwise Kinnock may have become PM in 1992 with Heseltine as leader of the opposition
I suppose there's always the "look much better the UK is doing than (fill in the blank)". After all, that's where we are with the debate, some claim the pandemic ended in July, others say it's still a crisis yet for some it's a macabre national contest to see who is doing "better" or "worse".
Excess deaths is a great measure but it doesn't do magic.
You do get why my hypothetical example shows that. If it helps, imagine @TheScreamingEagles concocted the virus.
We have a right to an opinion that when an 18 year old tennis player has won 2 matches and lost 2 matches we can say she is not doing well and attribute that to a specific cause.
However we do not have the right to a critical opinion when an experienced sports manager fundamentally misunderstands the career path of a young player in a different sport?
Who is the real snowflake here? If Jones can dish it out, he should be quite happy to receive incoming, especially when he is in the wrong as he was today.
However, a couple of countries could succumb. Belgium, maybe - they are already close to lockdown 7 (or whatever it is). Holland. Perhaps one of the Baltics or Hungary/Poland
SINGLE PERSON HOUSEHOLDS.
Explains the entire global Covid stats discrepancy.
I'm not sure I understand where the controversy is here - are you reading 'I don't get the outrage' as 'they should not be able to say that' or something? Because that's barmy.
Since when is not being as outraged as someone elses opinion is mean thinking they should not be able to express their opinion?
Pfizer produced the first and best Covid vaccine.
Pfizer now flog boosters due to fading of the vaccines.
Pfizer announced last week that they have the fitst Protease inhibitor that works on covid.
If that virus doesn't have a Pfizer trademark on it somewhere...🤔
(And their virus is as effective as their other products!)
FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF ANY DOUBT, THIS POST IS TONGUE IN CHEEK!
IDS automatically goes to the unelected Lords after he decides to stand down
More sleaze
"Out, damned spot! out, I say!–One: two: why,
then, ’tis time to do’t.–Hell is murky!–Fie, my
lord, fie! a soldier, and afeard? What need we
fear who knows it, when none can call our power to
account?"
Why use "outrage"? The comments of “unbelievably unfair and not even remotely comparable" are simply accurate observations, not outrage.
But 2001 was an easy victory for the govt wasn’t it? 2017… can you analyse that in this way? Anyway, the Tories lead in seats didn’t go down that much, it just so happened that it went from small majority to a few seats short.
I’m picking the ones where incumbents looked in trouble and won. Here’s another.
1992
SO IS THIS
He is a former Cabinet Minister and party leader, exactly the type who should be part of the Lords as well as the high flyers from other professions, business, the arts, sport, religious leaders etc
The polls swungback pretty sharply after the one point they swangaway.
2017 is an aberration where there wasn't a full Parliament and there was Theresa May so I'm not sure I'd use that as an example of anything.
It's a game everyone in every country is playing. Earlier today we had a big discussion of Why wasn't Britain as good as Sweden
To which some said No, Sweden was crap
In Germany their debate is Why can't we have Freedom Day like the Britz, with plenty saying No, the British are mad
This is actually healthy. This is countries and systems learning from each other. More, please
I'm not sure how I can reassure you otherwise given I never said what you claimed in the first place. I was already clear subsequently I certainly don't agree with Jones' opinion. If you want to substitute 'outrage' for some other word go ahead, I just don't understand why Jones saying it caused such a stir in the first place.
I'm a little surprised you'd take a single word and extrapolate so wildly from it. Perhaps give some benefit of the doubt.
https://kibreeteh.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/kufic_quran_7th_cent.jpg
Sieves pooper?
I see the instructions on the road tell us to "look both ways". Good advice for those discovering their gender identity.
Make the Lords into an elected Senate like the US and it would also seek to be able to block Bills permanently, not merely delay as the Lords does now and we would end up with the same legislative deadlock the US has if a different party controls the House and Senate
Cool.
IDS is exactly the kind of person you want in the Lords, if you want senior politicians. Thoughtful, hard working, experienced at a very high level, has done good work on poverty, and he represents a big strand of opinion in British life. Why would he not be an asset in a sensible, law-modifying 2nd chamber?
I would say the same for Jeremy Corbyn. I despise his politics, but he has never broken the law, and he is clearly popular with many, and represents a definite slice of British politics. And he has wisdom (of his own kind) after many years. Put him in the Lords, too. This is not a party political thing. If you have an appointed revising 2nd chamber then these people should be in it
We've already gone from you incorrectly thinking it was about preventing people criticising Jones, and now we're onto it about being too harsh about them criticising Jones, so we're making progress at least but still not there.
Since you began you're entirely incorrect interpretation with 'just to make sure I have this right', and you didn't, how about we leave it at that? You interpreting my words for me isn't working, and my explaining what my words meant apparently isn't convincing you that I don't have some desire to stymie criticise of Jones.
And unless the topic is cricket or getting drunk with Australians I'm not sure what Botham offers that many more can't.
https://glostext.gloucestershire.gov.uk/documents/s65318/2020-09-21 - COSC - Rainbow Crossings.pdf
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Thank you for your email about rainbow crossings.
The Department for Transport is aware that this has been used in a few places and our view is that
you would need to seek your own legal advice as to whether your proposals comply with the
relevant legislation.
All pedestrian crossings are regulated by the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016
(TSRGD). This includes zebras, puffins, and the type of pedestrian facilities at junctions referred to
here.
TSRGD prescribes the signs, signals and markings that must be used to create the different types of
crossing. The Traffic Signs Manual gives guidance on the use of road markings in Chapter 5, but the
requirements of TSRGD take precedence over any good practice guidance.
In the Department’s view, coloured surfacing is not considered a traffic sign or road marking and
therefore doesn’t come within the scope of the TSRGD. It has no legal meaning and therefore could
be placed within the crossing studs at a signal-controlled crossing, or pedestrian facility at a junction.
The use of surfacing in this way needs careful thought. Striped designs must be avoided – there is a
trend to use surfacing materials (e.g. different types of stone paviour) in patterns to mark informal
crossings, including some that are striped. Our view is that any crossing that is not a zebra must not
resemble one. That would extend to using a striped pattern at a signalled crossing. Zebra crossings
have a defined priority in law, and anything that looks like one could lead pedestrians to assume
priority when it doesn’t exist. The artwork must not alter the appearance of the prescribed crossing
signals, signs and markings in any way, as this may mean they were no longer compliant with TSRGD.
I would like to draw a couple of practical points to your attention – if there is a notice or poster
explaining what the artwork is, then it should be sited so that people don’t block the footway when
they stop to read it, or have to put themselves in a dangerous position. And if this is to be a
permanent installation, then there is a need to think about maintenance in the longer term as
surfacing can have quite a short life.
Any authority using these should consider the possible impact on road users, perhaps through a risk
assessment process.
I hope this reply is helpful.
With regards
DFT
"GO HOME"??????
wow
She lists two tech m(b?)illionaires Theil & Khosla - one of german the other of indian heritage...
Her tweets now seem to be protected.
It's not really 'gentrifying'. This is one of the wealthiest seats in the north west, and has been for my whole life. There's the odd humdrum council estate, the odd bit of semi-detached post war suburbia, the odd flattage in Altrincham town centre - but much of the seat is very wealthy indeed, and always has been. This isn't Bristol West or Sheffield Central. Hale, Halebarns, and Bowdon are footballer country.
That said, this area is trending leftwards. Boris's brand of conservatism doesn't necessarily go down well here - this is much more Cameroon country. The modern conservative party are a little gauche for this lot. And this may be outer GM, but it is still a conurbation with its urban concerns. This is home to the polite upper echelons of the public sector. That said, to much surprise, the Green Party have from nowehere started doing well in Altrincham ward: I put that down to a combination of circumstances: concerted opposition to large-scale local development (all incumbent parties suffered here) which the Greens campained on (cf Chesham and Amersham) together with a briefly highly unpalatable Labour Party (I would expect this to recede as Corbynism fades away) and a mysterious history of weakness by the Lib Dems in the sort of territory they would normally do well in.
For a long time the Tories performed disproportionately well in Trafford in part due to Labour's locally unpopular policy on grammar schools (Trafford is still selective). Without getting into the rights and wrongs of this, there are always a lot of votes to be got out when a status quo is felt to be under attack. Labour have toned this down a lot and are no longer seen as the threat they once were.
If that isn't a fake, then wowzers.
https://twitter.com/NorthumbriaNHS/status/1457733999657472007
Slow hand clap.
No comparisons with similar countries - the same issue is in other countries, and Scotland has twice as many combined sewer outfalls per pop as England. But obvs SNP politics is 90% finger pointing, and 10% doing useful stuff for Scotland. So that was Blackford's speech.
Just how they all roll.
The main criterion used to be birth. Then wealth and birth. Then who you know and if you are lucky being an expert.
And arseholes-on-Twitter is the metric of today. It is how we assess the world. She just got assessed
How can I ever post here again?
Probably not, nations still need to rank against each other, but I should make a twitter account and claim it is true and see if it takes off.
Film by @tomlarkinsky on sleaze and standards https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1457824959494070273/video/1